Quality, Comfort and refinement - it’s one of the best cars out there. And I too would be concerned about future bills for any repairs just like any other older premium car. Not the battery but the integral AC chargers, mirror cameras have been known to have trouble. But I disagree about road trips. Sure it cannot do a 250 mile trip without a stop - but nor can I ! It’s that charging curve that makes up for the range. I’ve done over 500miles in a day with just 3 stops and 88 mins plugged in. My longest drive has been 720 miles in a day.
We have a 2021 etron premium plus. It’s been great. We don’t take a lot of road trips but those we have taken have been fine. We are likely to downsize and get something with higher efficiency when our lease ends, but we like it so much, we might keep it.
I love my Audi e-tron. I got a great deal and I made sure that I got the warranty on both the powertrain and the technology. I followed the formula from CarEdge on how to negotiate and what happens when you go to the finance department. Thanks to you guys at SPC I looked at Audi. I do a 60 mile trip every day and tow a small box trailer with my tools in. The 200 mile range is fine and the speed that it charges is great. I can put 80% back in the battery within 30 minutes on a fast charger. I was surprised the other day when I was waiting to charge. I needed a particular charging space so I let a guy with a Ford Marquee go in front of me. He'd been sat there charging for a while before I got my spot. My battery was at 50%, I put another 45% back in and was done. I don't know how much he was charging but I left there before him. I did think the Audi Dealership who sold me the car could have explained better how to charge it properly. There are some amazing deals out there because inventory is not moving and you can find an Audi e-tron under $40,000 with less than 30,000 miles on it.
I Agree. I got mine in February in Florida with 21k miles on it for $47k (with prepaid maintenance to 55k miles) with 3.5%APR. It is an amazing car, even though range is not great. However, the comfort, quietness of ride and air suspension is second to none. We just did Nova Scotia Canada road trip and put 2700 miles on it and I feel like we travelled on 1st class airplane the whole time. No fatigue, no stress (except range anxiety; for those who plan NS road trip beware, it is bad with charging, really bad. 50kW chargers and very spotty). Advantage of short range however is ability to stretch and relax while car charges very very quickly on fast DC charging network.(in US). Most of the time we hardly had enough time to run to Wallmart before car was fully charged. I haul roof top box, roof top tent and bike rack on hitch. It affects range terribly, but any weekend getaway trips are just fine. So overall very happy with my choice, this car was on my radar for a very long time....
@@peterolsovskyRoof box and RTT at same time is crazy on an EV lol my FJ cruiser drinks fuel like no tomorrow with the roof box alone.. I can only imagine the drag with the box and RTT together
I bought a 2019 Audi e-tron 55 this year as a car to use at our holiday home. We do short trips in it including up ski road in the South Island. It handles ski road really well in excellent comfort and is one of the few EVs with a space saver spare.
@@francismazanet2769 I live in New Zealand so that may not be relevant to you. I paid NZ$80,000 which was half the new price in New Zealand. It had done 38,000 km (24,000 miles).
If you want the Prestige, which for the tiny price difference you should, they’re still in the 30 range unless the miles are high or the title is tainted.
Great video! Just picked up a used 2021 for a steal and can’t say enough about the luxury aspect. The info on the maintenance is very useful and I’m lucky to live in an area with a few Audi dealerships and visit different ones if I don’t like a particular location. Truly a pleasure to drive around in. Planning on keeping it for a few years and then upgrading.
Great video. I got a 2019 e-tron Prestige a year ago with 10k miles on it. I previously had a 2020 Tesla Model Y LR, and then a Hyundai Ioniq 5 limited. This is far and away the nicest of those 3, and nicer to drive than a BMW iX M50 that I test drove. It’s so solid, luxurious, comfortable and quiet, that it is seriously a bargain 2nd hand. Range wise, if you use Efficiency mode, you can get significantly more than the advertised range. So far, on 2 road trips, I’ve gotten between 260 and 290 miles, which is better than I got with the 2020 Model Y LR on road trips (in town, the Model Y was way better). Great car. Just get the Prestige or Chronis. The Premium and Premium Plus are missing some very basic features (unless optioned separately), like adaptive cruise control.
thank you for your comment. Im in your situation bought recently model y lr and i love tech but as a car is so bad i want togo abck to german premium cars. Have you done road t4rips in etron how was your experience in comparison to tresla?
I bought a 2019 Edition One in April for just under $50k. They’re like $15k less now but oh well. At least I was able to get the older Audi CPO warranty which is 2 years additional or 50k miles, plus two years complementary maintenance. Audi’s new CPO warranty is only 1 year and/or 20k miles. The e-Tron is an amazing vehicle, despite the range. My favorite feature is the night vision…saved me from hitting deer many times already.
It’s interesting. I ended up just buying a used 2020 Fastback over a new model Y. Only 15k miles and. I don’t need massive road trip range and just liked it as a car as opposed to a rolling We Work space which is the Y made me feel. Time will tell if I’ll regret my choice. At least it’s one less ICE out there.
You guys really need to delve more into the seriousness of the 2019-22 Safety Recalls 93U9/93V2 / High-Voltage Battery Module(s) for the e-tron. As of this writing, there’s still no “remedy” other than to “watch it” and “only charge to 80%”. That leaves you with a realistic 170 miles on a summer day and 100 or less in the dead of winter.
Thanks for the video, a couple other things to be aware of. There is no 2020 model year for the regular SUV, they sold it as a 2019 model throughout 2020. And due to the chip shortage many of the later 2019 models did not get a lidar sensor and therefore have no highway lane centering.
I purchased a 2019 Audi Etron Prestige used, how would I know if I have the cold weather package? If so what does that involve? Also after charging up to about 195 range, once I engage the heat/radio etc. the range goes down to 145. Is the 145 range instantly updated to stay as my new range? Yet on the dashboard the battery level is at 100%. (Sorry if this sounds like a silly question!)
I bought a 2019 e-tron 55 few months ago and bought a third party 3 year warranty for a 1100€ ($1158). I hardly ever drive longer distances so I just charge it at home using home charger (11kW). And when I do drive longer trips we have 150kW chargers pretty much everywhere along where I go.
I have a 2019 Audi e-tron Quattro 55 which I have 137,000 KM on and it performs like new ! Battery degradation is maybe less than 5%. I was going to sell it but decided to keep it as my range with my 19 inch rims and low rolling resistance tires allows for much better range than the epa estimates.
I own an Audi E Tron actually and I think that you are completely right and your assessment is quite good. I can definitely confirm that it’s an extremely well built car. Just didn’t make sense to buy a Tesla with a bit better equipment which would come basically a double the price.
I appreciate you advice. I think it is the first I I heard someone talk about the maintenance and cost of fixing all the nonelectric drive train items. Well done video.
nice review and advice. In future reviews would be great if you could mention any trends reported on forums or other sources regarding common or known issues or weak points. This goes to your point on the maintenance of a used EV - many of the forums have identified issues with all the models - etrons, mache, konas iPaces, etc... Would be really helpful to bring those up when you can!
I have 2019 Audi55 problems are showing up now with electro motors mine after 100.000 km new rear motor 7500€ ! Take a look at the forums . Audi does not considered as a production fault nevertheless it is a common problem
2024 with a used 2019 Audi Etron Prestige. I got it for 32k 2 years ago. Great bang for your buck especially under 30k now vs a Tesla. Sit in a Etron and sit in a Tesla and it doesnt compare. Polestar isnt close either! The price is crazy low in 2024 up to the used 2022 Etrons also ✌🏽 Edit: Oh yea, the range SUCKS! Under 200 to be honest. But I charge at home so its not a big deal.
My car brakes started jerking after 8300miles, nearly crashed on motorway, Audi told disc have bended due to heating effects without pre warning, Audi refused responsibility, blamed my driving style, landed up paying 1700 for disc and brakes getting replaced, anyone else got similar experience?
For many months I have been contemplating this. Thank you for this. Now the used etrons will be bought and I will end up with none! Lol. Buying from an audi dealer can be great esp if they can add warranties. Many are available in non audi dealerships the only con is that additional warranties might not be attainable.
You mentioned more than once the deal you got one the Polstar. Compare to the Etron the polestar has not dropped anywhere near as much. I wish it has I would love to get one in the 30s vs $40-50k
Hello Max. Can you explain the trims? Its a bit confusing. Currently its the base trims and a sportback for each of the three. Q4, Q8 and SQ8. While the used markets display premium, prestige etc. is this a refreshed models issue?
It is interesting how there are 2023/2024 Lexus RZ450e models selling with nearly identical range and luxury specs to this etron (which incidentally is much more expensive) but gets that range with a battery that is nearly 20kWh smaller. Yet the media bashes the Lexus and dismisses the lower range of the Audi. Used, they are going for similar money right now. I prefer the weight and brand reputation of of the Lexus, but my VAG-loving side prefers the Audi for the styling, the roof rails, the more squared-back hatch area, the opening panoramic roof with actual shade (I have this in my Atlas and LOVE it), and the tow package option. With Audi extending warranty on its Etron models for the motors to 10y/120k miles in the US due to motor/coolant failure issues, I'm torn. They are insane deals, and you are covered by audi if your motors fail, but it presents itself with failure risks that may be a hassle depending on when the motors decide to kick the bucket (if at all). May just bite the bullet and get one of these.
We've owned one for over 3 years and I like the vehicle. We haven't really had any issues with the EV aspects of this car. I also disagree about the range....you can def get over 200 miles of range as advertised in a 2021 model, especially in mixed driving (they may be referring to the launch model range). The newer etron promises even more range at like 285, so you are getting more range (looks like battery size has increased marginally to 115 kwh). There are a couple of annoyances including the really loud proximity sensors (gets trying pulling in and out of garage) and the very strange door handles. When I want to get out of the car I don't want to pull on the door handle 3 times. I also find the hapatic touch of the infotainment frustrating. Why do I need to push in on a touchscreen? Makes no sense. Recently we seem to be having an issue with the Audi Presense system, maybe a failed sensor or recalibration needed. Mandatory dealer stop for that one.
Maybe mention it’s a two year service interval, so get that thing serviced right before buying. Same goes for software licenses: look for one with either some coverage left, or at least have the dealer chip in a map update. Tires strongly depend on driving habits: look for three-year old cars with original tires. If they look decent after that time, chances are you had a decent driving pre-owner that did not break the suspension. A good deal checks these boxes and is roughly at 60% of new prize after two years (20k miles). Don’t buy if you can’t afford a luxury car.
One the Tesla/NACS comments - Tesla is rolling out “MagicDock” on their Superchargers to allow CCS cars to charge on them. Once those are rolled out completely, then that problem is solved.
Expensive to maintain? Value of a replacement battery? I fear the latter, and planning to buy a plug in hybrid due to short daily distances, long and cold winters - and batteries are surely a lot cheaper.
Got my used 2019 eTron Prem+ (CPO) six months ago for $34k with 25k miles. I had a 2015 A6 30T before and loved that car..and this one is great as well. Audi folks just know how to deliver sporty luxury cars that drive great. So, based on the way I drive I get 2.2 miles per kwh (that equates to 2.2 x 95=209 miles at full charge). This is pretty much what I expected based on my research. Its my commuter car...I dont use it for our long driving trips not because of the low range, but because of the unreliable CCS charging stations. I do my charging at home (120v) which is slow, but works for me right now since I work from home mostly. On occasion, I go to the nearby Electrify Amer station. Every time I go there, only 1 or 2 chargers out of the 4 works. That is horrible. I think that if I could use Tesla's NACS chargers, I would have no problem taking my eTron on long drives...Btw, my insurance for the eTron is pretty much up to par with the other luxury cars that own...I dont think EV insurance is overly expensive.
I have a 2016 Audi A6 and was told the same thing that getting it serviced was going to be super expensive. What I found is that the car is actually fairly easy to service myself. I've changed the injection coils, the spark, brakes, oil and filter.... Generally most of the stuff that I'm doing on my own I'm saving anywhere from 70 to 80%, Even the tires that most places were quoted me over $1,000 for all four, I was able to get from Walmart on a special order for under $300... INSTALLED. My favorite line to use was I'm just shopping around because I'm getting ready to sell the car and so I don't want to spend a lot.
I was agreeing with you about working on your car until I read you paid $300 for all four tires plus installation? What kind of cheap knockoff tires did you get?
I owned a couple of Audi's en still do own a A4 station right now. I have always bought the cheaper tires from unknown brands for even less dan 300 dollars installed here in The Netherlands. I never had a problem with them and they have the same life expectancy as the known brands like Goodyear. Ans they have to because it's the law! You can't just make a inferior tire and sell that on the market. So in my opinion its all PR/marketing... Just like buying sneakers from Nike or Adidas. You can go for some unknown shoe brand aswell. Also, you can select tires based on alot of criteria but most important are 1: Feul economy 2: Grip and 3: Noise. These are labeled with A being the best score and I think G or F being the worst. (except noise, thats just a number in dB) I always bought A labled tires, just not from Pirelli or Goodyear. According to the lables, these can be even worse depending on which tire radius and specs you want.
I like the out-of-spec guide video reviews and especially the comparison that Alissa and Kyle did of the Q8 vs 2019 etrons; answered most my questions. That said, I was expecting to learn something in this vid about the actual car in the title. Instead, this was a generic review of what it means to own any lux car that is at or over its warranty period. Would the advice given been different if reviewing a gas-powered 2019 Audi q4, for example? Sure, no discussion of battery range and charging times but almost all-else would be equal. On that note, I've only recently gotten keen on buying an EV, specifically an etron and so I've been doing a tone of research. The assertion made in this vid that that there is no maintenance worry about blown head gaskets is true, but no one should think about EVs as not needing maintenance nor the occasional expensive repair, even in the motor and drivetrain. Maintenance includes periodic fluid and filter changes (battery and motor coolant), maybe not as frequent as oil changes but still necessary. Second, there are LOTS of spinning parts in the motor(s) and transmission(s). Yes, for each motor, there is a transmission that converts the high RPM high-torque electric motor power to lower RPM but even higher torque tire power. The transmission(s) also includes a differential joint that allows tires connected to the drivetrain to spin and different rates whilst in turns. Inside the electric motor(s) itself, there are bearings that support the shaft, and these bearings are spinning at 1000s of rpms. Granted, order of magnitude fewer parts than the comparable gas/autotrans car but still.... Interesting convo but I was hoping to learn about the etron, specifically reliability of the motors and transmissions 🤣.
For someone driving alone like most drivers this car is just too heavy at near 5800 pounds. 2019 ones are about 50 to 55k in Canada and quite expensive. My oldest Audi which is 13 years old in mint condition weighs 2000 pounds less and is much more powerful.
There have been a worrying amount of motor and transmission issues with the Etron which would scare me off from a used one, despite how affordable they are now.
@@edwink1467 Well, those of us who've been around cars for a while might call what it has a gearbox, but that's only a transmission with fewer gears. Yeah, it only has one gear ratio, but it's there in a greatly stripped-down and simplified transmission. It's not like the motors are connected directly to the wheels, after all. Oh, and I like to think that calling them one-speed automatics prevented a Y2K-style software panic where every manufacturer, dealer, parts supplier, car rental company, salvage yard, etc. had to update their systems to cope with more than two choices for transmission type! 🙂
My 2021 Audi e-tron with 56,000 miles lost a lot of range suddenly November 2023. A 100% charge range of only 171 miles. An 80% charge range of 156 miles. This never went back up either. The temperature never went below 50° outside. I always charge at 80% unless I'm taking a trip And I do this every night at home. I rarely use a fast charger unless I'm taking a trip and need to get home. I spoke to Audi about this and they said the battery health was fine, battery degradation was normal and that there were no error codes so the battery was in good health. This is ridiculous to me. Not to mention that a $75,000 vehicle is now only worth $32,000 for trade in value. And now the e-tron has a battery recall due to a fire risk. Before the battery issues, the car was one of my favorites. And I was all on board the electric vehicle evolution. Not so much now.
Thing is though the range is irrelevant. For me at least. I am not going to drive 200 miles around town and this is the only use case I would consider for an electric vehicle. Going out of town I would only ever consider a petrol car. Not least of which is this: th-cam.com/video/BMRHuiDXCL0/w-d-xo.html But also I don't wanna wait around always. Sometimes I just want to go. E.g. driving from Austin to New Orleans. I don't want to stop anywhere. Just want to drive straight through. Can't do that with an electric car. Driving an electric car in and around town makes a lot of sense though. But there, the range is irrelevant. I don't even drive 50 miles around town every day let along 200 so it's a non issue.
How these early EV batteries hold up long term is really pure speculation. What we know is that battery R&D is about to step up to warp speed. So anything "old" is going to look archaic a couple of tomorrows from today.
When the "solid" type batteries come out, they will be significantly more expensive. This means that the older type batteries will continue to be used for a while.
I believe VW own Electrify America so Audi don't need any agreement with Tesla. I just drove a BMW i4 in California renting for 19 days. You don't need Tesla charging.
I’ve been watching quite a number of these types of reviews on the first generation Audi e-tron. Frankly, the one common refrain has been the downside of the older technology. Firstly, it is a 2019 model!!! There’s been vast improvements from that time until now. Secondly, PLEASE stop comparing this vehicle to Tesla and Polestar!!! I strongly believe that anyone that’s interested in an e-tron is likely not looking at a Model 3 or a Model Y or a Polestar 2 or 3!!! Different cars in different categories completely!!!
EV batteries do fail at times and cost of replacement can be as much or more even than the vehicle market value resulting in insurance scrapping your car. Do your homework and find out what will happen if either your future EV is involved in a collision or when it will be 8-10 years old. Car companies are not ready to replace batteries and replacement costs are outrageous. Lease a new one if you can offer it and have the disposable income for it; don't buy a use one unless it is crazy depreciated and you have the financial means to pay as much as the price you bought it for repairs.
A friendly piece of advice guys: Your audio is so distorted that I couldnt understand what you were saying. I caught most words, but not all. So, only watched the first three minutes. Please use different audio for your next video! I traded in my Model Y on a used 2019 etron 4 months ago, and glad I did.
Quality, Comfort and refinement - it’s one of the best cars out there. And I too would be concerned about future bills for any repairs just like any other older premium car. Not the battery but the integral AC chargers, mirror cameras have been known to have trouble.
But I disagree about road trips. Sure it cannot do a 250 mile trip without a stop - but nor can I ! It’s that charging curve that makes up for the range. I’ve done over 500miles in a day with just 3 stops and 88 mins plugged in. My longest drive has been 720 miles in a day.
We have a 2021 etron premium plus. It’s been great. We don’t take a lot of road trips but those we have taken have been fine. We are likely to downsize and get something with higher efficiency when our lease ends, but we like it so much, we might keep it.
Keep it, Audi cut corners with the Q8 etron
I love my Audi e-tron. I got a great deal and I made sure that I got the warranty on both the powertrain and the technology. I followed the formula from CarEdge on how to negotiate and what happens when you go to the finance department. Thanks to you guys at SPC I looked at Audi. I do a 60 mile trip every day and tow a small box trailer with my tools in. The 200 mile range is fine and the speed that it charges is great. I can put 80% back in the battery within 30 minutes on a fast charger. I was surprised the other day when I was waiting to charge. I needed a particular charging space so I let a guy with a Ford Marquee go in front of me. He'd been sat there charging for a while before I got my spot. My battery was at 50%, I put another 45% back in and was done. I don't know how much he was charging but I left there before him. I did think the Audi Dealership who sold me the car could have explained better how to charge it properly. There are some amazing deals out there because inventory is not moving and you can find an Audi e-tron under $40,000 with less than 30,000 miles on it.
I Agree. I got mine in February in Florida with 21k miles on it for $47k (with prepaid maintenance to 55k miles) with 3.5%APR. It is an amazing car, even though range is not great. However, the comfort, quietness of ride and air suspension is second to none. We just did Nova Scotia Canada road trip and put 2700 miles on it and I feel like we travelled on 1st class airplane the whole time. No fatigue, no stress (except range anxiety; for those who plan NS road trip beware, it is bad with charging, really bad. 50kW chargers and very spotty). Advantage of short range however is ability to stretch and relax while car charges very very quickly on fast DC charging network.(in US). Most of the time we hardly had enough time to run to Wallmart before car was fully charged. I haul roof top box, roof top tent and bike rack on hitch. It affects range terribly, but any weekend getaway trips are just fine. So overall very happy with my choice, this car was on my radar for a very long time....
@@peterolsovskyRoof box and RTT at same time is crazy on an EV lol my FJ cruiser drinks fuel like no tomorrow with the roof box alone.. I can only imagine the drag with the box and RTT together
I bought a 2019 Audi e-tron 55 this year as a car to use at our holiday home. We do short trips in it including up ski road in the South Island. It handles ski road really well in excellent comfort and is one of the few EVs with a space saver spare.
How many miles did it have on it when you bought it and what was out the door price? Thanks.
@@francismazanet2769 I live in New Zealand so that may not be relevant to you. I paid NZ$80,000 which was half the new price in New Zealand. It had done 38,000 km (24,000 miles).
If you wait maybe 1 more year, you should be able to get one at or under $25K to get the used EV tax credit
I don’t think it’s gonna get any cheaper though?…
I’ve seen some going for less than the 25K threshold
You can find that today lol. Under 200 miles of range is a joke
If you want the Prestige, which for the tiny price difference you should, they’re still in the 30 range unless the miles are high or the title is tainted.
Yup, 2021 Prestige with ~30k miles are running high $30k’s.
Great video! Just picked up a used 2021 for a steal and can’t say enough about the luxury aspect. The info on the maintenance is very useful and I’m lucky to live in an area with a few Audi dealerships and visit different ones if I don’t like a particular location. Truly a pleasure to drive around in. Planning on keeping it for a few years and then upgrading.
Great video. I got a 2019 e-tron Prestige a year ago with 10k miles on it. I previously had a 2020 Tesla Model Y LR, and then a Hyundai Ioniq 5 limited. This is far and away the nicest of those 3, and nicer to drive than a BMW iX M50 that I test drove. It’s so solid, luxurious, comfortable and quiet, that it is seriously a bargain 2nd hand. Range wise, if you use Efficiency mode, you can get significantly more than the advertised range. So far, on 2 road trips, I’ve gotten between 260 and 290 miles, which is better than I got with the 2020 Model Y LR on road trips (in town, the Model Y was way better). Great car. Just get the Prestige or Chronis. The Premium and Premium Plus are missing some very basic features (unless optioned separately), like adaptive cruise control.
thank you for your comment. Im in your situation bought recently model y lr and i love tech but as a car is so bad i want togo abck to german premium cars. Have you done road t4rips in etron how was your experience in comparison to tresla?
I bought a 2019 Edition One in April for just under $50k. They’re like $15k less now but oh well. At least I was able to get the older Audi CPO warranty which is 2 years additional or 50k miles, plus two years complementary maintenance. Audi’s new CPO warranty is only 1 year and/or 20k miles. The e-Tron is an amazing vehicle, despite the range. My favorite feature is the night vision…saved me from hitting deer many times already.
Does Audi support the phone app for 2019 e-tron? If not, how to ensure it's actually charging overnight?
@@purplegoatofficialyes it does. The app works much better for my e-Tron than my Q7.
It’s interesting. I ended up just buying a used 2020 Fastback over a new model Y. Only 15k miles and. I don’t need massive road trip range and just liked it as a car as opposed to a rolling We Work space which is the Y made me feel. Time will tell if I’ll regret my choice. At least it’s one less ICE out there.
You guys really need to delve more into the seriousness of the 2019-22 Safety Recalls 93U9/93V2 / High-Voltage Battery
Module(s) for the e-tron. As of this writing, there’s still no “remedy” other than to “watch it” and “only charge to 80%”. That leaves you with a realistic 170 miles on a summer day and 100 or less in the dead of winter.
Thanks for the video, a couple other things to be aware of. There is no 2020 model year for the regular SUV, they sold it as a 2019 model throughout 2020. And due to the chip shortage many of the later 2019 models did not get a lidar sensor and therefore have no highway lane centering.
it still has the mmW radar for ACC even if they deleted the LiDAR, i believe due to the LiDAR being broken constantly by rocks and road debris.
I purchased a 2019 Audi Etron Prestige used, how would I know if I have the cold weather package? If so what does that involve?
Also after charging up to about 195 range, once I engage the heat/radio etc. the range goes down to 145. Is the 145 range instantly updated to stay as my new range? Yet on the dashboard the battery level is at 100%. (Sorry if this sounds like a silly question!)
I bought a 2019 e-tron 55 few months ago and bought a third party 3 year warranty for a 1100€ ($1158). I hardly ever drive longer distances so I just charge it at home using home charger (11kW). And when I do drive longer trips we have 150kW chargers pretty much everywhere along where I go.
Good luck with the repairs.
@@sunnysider6350what repairs?
I have a 2019 Audi e-tron Quattro 55 which I have 137,000 KM on and it performs like new ! Battery degradation is maybe less than 5%. I was going to sell it but decided to keep it as my range with my 19 inch rims and low rolling resistance tires allows for much better range than the epa estimates.
Do you mean 215 K KM?
probably 215 k M(miles)@@blablabla8752
I own an Audi E Tron actually and I think that you are completely right and your assessment is quite good. I can definitely confirm that it’s an extremely well built car. Just didn’t make sense to buy a Tesla with a bit better equipment which would come basically a double the price.
I appreciate you advice. I think it is the first I I heard someone talk about the maintenance and cost of fixing all the nonelectric drive train items. Well done video.
nice review and advice. In future reviews would be great if you could mention any trends reported on forums or other sources regarding common or known issues or weak points. This goes to your point on the maintenance of a used EV - many of the forums have identified issues with all the models - etrons, mache, konas iPaces, etc... Would be really helpful to bring those up when you can!
Main issue is the Batterie so I don't get your point or view and to be complete open about if it's a known fact that especially the etron base !
I really appreciate this kind of review.
I have 2019 Audi55 problems are showing up now with electro motors mine after 100.000 km new rear motor 7500€ ! Take a look at the forums . Audi does not considered as a production fault nevertheless it is a common problem
You guys are like a young version of savagegeese.
I own a 2019 Audi etron Prestige Edition One. I drive it locally. It is great. Have not bought gas in 8 months. I charge it at home overnight.
2024 with a used 2019 Audi Etron Prestige. I got it for 32k 2 years ago.
Great bang for your buck especially under 30k now vs a Tesla. Sit in a Etron and sit in a Tesla and it doesnt compare. Polestar isnt close either! The price is crazy low in 2024 up to the used 2022 Etrons also ✌🏽
Edit: Oh yea, the range SUCKS! Under 200 to be honest. But I charge at home so its not a big deal.
My car brakes started jerking after 8300miles, nearly crashed on motorway, Audi told disc have bended due to heating effects without pre warning, Audi refused responsibility, blamed my driving style, landed up paying 1700 for disc and brakes getting replaced, anyone else got similar experience?
For many months I have been contemplating this. Thank you for this. Now the used etrons will be bought and I will end up with none! Lol. Buying from an audi dealer can be great esp if they can add warranties. Many are available in non audi dealerships the only con is that additional warranties might not be attainable.
you can purchase extended warranty from Audi and that is exactly my plan just before warranty expires..
Right now the Tesla superchargers for non Tesla are only in a few sites, are they opening them all with magic docks and V4 superchargers?
The interior on your polestar is so cool. Very rare to get hold on in Sweden.
You mentioned more than once the deal you got one the Polstar. Compare to the Etron the polestar has not dropped anywhere near as much. I wish it has I would love to get one in the 30s vs $40-50k
I've seen both for under 25k and eligible for the used tax credit 😊
Hello Max. Can you explain the trims? Its a bit confusing. Currently its the base trims and a sportback for each of the three. Q4, Q8 and SQ8. While the used markets display premium, prestige etc. is this a refreshed models issue?
I'm assuming all of this advice changes now that Audi has recalled all Etrons made before 2022....
It is interesting how there are 2023/2024 Lexus RZ450e models selling with nearly identical range and luxury specs to this etron (which incidentally is much more expensive) but gets that range with a battery that is nearly 20kWh smaller. Yet the media bashes the Lexus and dismisses the lower range of the Audi.
Used, they are going for similar money right now. I prefer the weight and brand reputation of of the Lexus, but my VAG-loving side prefers the Audi for the styling, the roof rails, the more squared-back hatch area, the opening panoramic roof with actual shade (I have this in my Atlas and LOVE it), and the tow package option.
With Audi extending warranty on its Etron models for the motors to 10y/120k miles in the US due to motor/coolant failure issues, I'm torn. They are insane deals, and you are covered by audi if your motors fail, but it presents itself with failure risks that may be a hassle depending on when the motors decide to kick the bucket (if at all). May just bite the bullet and get one of these.
We've owned one for over 3 years and I like the vehicle. We haven't really had any issues with the EV aspects of this car. I also disagree about the range....you can def get over 200 miles of range as advertised in a 2021 model, especially in mixed driving (they may be referring to the launch model range). The newer etron promises even more range at like 285, so you are getting more range (looks like battery size has increased marginally to 115 kwh). There are a couple of annoyances including the really loud proximity sensors (gets trying pulling in and out of garage) and the very strange door handles. When I want to get out of the car I don't want to pull on the door handle 3 times. I also find the hapatic touch of the infotainment frustrating. Why do I need to push in on a touchscreen? Makes no sense. Recently we seem to be having an issue with the Audi Presense system, maybe a failed sensor or recalibration needed. Mandatory dealer stop for that one.
Maybe mention it’s a two year service interval, so get that thing serviced right before buying.
Same goes for software licenses: look for one with either some coverage left, or at least have the dealer chip in a map update.
Tires strongly depend on driving habits: look for three-year old cars with original tires. If they look decent after that time, chances are you had a decent driving pre-owner that did not break the suspension. A good deal checks these boxes and is roughly at 60% of new prize after two years (20k miles).
Don’t buy if you can’t afford a luxury car.
One the Tesla/NACS comments - Tesla is rolling out “MagicDock” on their Superchargers to allow CCS cars to charge on them. Once those are rolled out completely, then that problem is solved.
We have bought an overpriced 2021 e-tron and it's been 100% no issues.
Sad
Love my 2021 55 sportback - it’s a lot of car for the money👍
Expensive to maintain? Value of a replacement battery?
I fear the latter, and planning to buy a plug in hybrid due to short daily distances, long and cold winters - and batteries are surely a lot cheaper.
Got my used 2019 eTron Prem+ (CPO) six months ago for $34k with 25k miles. I had a 2015 A6 30T before and loved that car..and this one is great as well. Audi folks just know how to deliver sporty luxury cars that drive great. So, based on the way I drive I get 2.2 miles per kwh (that equates to 2.2 x 95=209 miles at full charge). This is pretty much what I expected based on my research. Its my commuter car...I dont use it for our long driving trips not because of the low range, but because of the unreliable CCS charging stations. I do my charging at home (120v) which is slow, but works for me right now since I work from home mostly. On occasion, I go to the nearby Electrify Amer station. Every time I go there, only 1 or 2 chargers out of the 4 works. That is horrible. I think that if I could use Tesla's NACS chargers, I would have no problem taking my eTron on long drives...Btw, my insurance for the eTron is pretty much up to par with the other luxury cars that own...I dont think EV insurance is overly expensive.
I have a 2016 Audi A6 and was told the same thing that getting it serviced was going to be super expensive.
What I found is that the car is actually fairly easy to service myself. I've changed the injection coils, the spark, brakes, oil and filter.... Generally most of the stuff that I'm doing on my own I'm saving anywhere from 70 to 80%,
Even the tires that most places were quoted me over $1,000 for all four, I was able to get from Walmart on a special order for under $300... INSTALLED.
My favorite line to use was I'm just shopping around because I'm getting ready to sell the car and so I don't want to spend a lot.
I was agreeing with you about working on your car until I read you paid $300 for all four tires plus installation? What kind of cheap knockoff tires did you get?
I owned a couple of Audi's en still do own a A4 station right now. I have always bought the cheaper tires from unknown brands for even less dan 300 dollars installed here in The Netherlands. I never had a problem with them and they have the same life expectancy as the known brands like Goodyear. Ans they have to because it's the law! You can't just make a inferior tire and sell that on the market. So in my opinion its all PR/marketing... Just like buying sneakers from Nike or Adidas. You can go for some unknown shoe brand aswell. Also, you can select tires based on alot of criteria but most important are 1: Feul economy 2: Grip and 3: Noise. These are labeled with A being the best score and I think G or F being the worst. (except noise, thats just a number in dB) I always bought A labled tires, just not from Pirelli or Goodyear. According to the lables, these can be even worse depending on which tire radius and specs you want.
I like the out-of-spec guide video reviews and especially the comparison that Alissa and Kyle did of the Q8 vs 2019 etrons; answered most my questions.
That said, I was expecting to learn something in this vid about the actual car in the title. Instead, this was a generic review of what it means to own any lux car that is at or over its warranty period. Would the advice given been different if reviewing a gas-powered 2019 Audi q4, for example? Sure, no discussion of battery range and charging times but almost all-else would be equal.
On that note, I've only recently gotten keen on buying an EV, specifically an etron and so I've been doing a tone of research. The assertion made in this vid that that there is no maintenance worry about blown head gaskets is true, but no one should think about EVs as not needing maintenance nor the occasional expensive repair, even in the motor and drivetrain.
Maintenance includes periodic fluid and filter changes (battery and motor coolant), maybe not as frequent as oil changes but still necessary. Second, there are LOTS of spinning parts in the motor(s) and transmission(s). Yes, for each motor, there is a transmission that converts the high RPM high-torque electric motor power to lower RPM but even higher torque tire power. The transmission(s) also includes a differential joint that allows tires connected to the drivetrain to spin and different rates whilst in turns. Inside the electric motor(s) itself, there are bearings that support the shaft, and these bearings are spinning at 1000s of rpms. Granted, order of magnitude fewer parts than the comparable gas/autotrans car but still....
Interesting convo but I was hoping to learn about the etron, specifically reliability of the motors and transmissions 🤣.
Taking it in to an Audi dealer for any issue will get you raped.
Nobody is concerned about the battery recall?
Important video. Tks
For someone driving alone like most drivers this car is just too heavy at near 5800 pounds. 2019 ones are about 50 to 55k in Canada and quite expensive. My oldest Audi which is 13 years old in mint condition weighs 2000 pounds less and is much more powerful.
There have been a worrying amount of motor and transmission issues with the Etron which would scare me off from a used one, despite how affordable they are now.
What transmission? It’s an EV lol
@@edwink1467 Well, those of us who've been around cars for a while might call what it has a gearbox, but that's only a transmission with fewer gears. Yeah, it only has one gear ratio, but it's there in a greatly stripped-down and simplified transmission. It's not like the motors are connected directly to the wheels, after all. Oh, and I like to think that calling them one-speed automatics prevented a Y2K-style software panic where every manufacturer, dealer, parts supplier, car rental company, salvage yard, etc. had to update their systems to cope with more than two choices for transmission type! 🙂
Yep replacement of transmission includes also the motor . Mine after 100.000 km and 7000€ for thr rear motor.
I just need a commuter. 70 miles a day, 5-days a week. I have access to chargers at work. I have a gas powered Audi for longer drives.
Tyres and brakes are the big regular costs
Brakes won't be an issue on an etron for years... unless it has been tracked or abused.
My 2021 Audi e-tron with 56,000 miles lost a lot of range suddenly November 2023. A 100% charge range of only 171 miles. An 80% charge range of 156 miles. This never went back up either. The temperature never went below 50° outside. I always charge at 80% unless I'm taking a trip And I do this every night at home. I rarely use a fast charger unless I'm taking a trip and need to get home. I spoke to Audi about this and they said the battery health was fine, battery degradation was normal and that there were no error codes so the battery was in good health. This is ridiculous to me. Not to mention that a $75,000 vehicle is now only worth $32,000 for trade in value. And now the e-tron has a battery recall due to a fire risk. Before the battery issues, the car was one of my favorites. And I was all on board the electric vehicle evolution. Not so much now.
Sorry for your loss.
Audi is new to EV’s unlike Tesla. There are going to be issues. I know some don’t prefer Tesla’s, but the fact is, they just work!
Q8 e-tron at $80k is an awful deal with the fat e-tron at $40k
Great review. I won't buy the old ones once.
Great info. Thank you guys so much for sharing
Thing is though the range is irrelevant. For me at least. I am not going to drive 200 miles around town and this is the only use case I would consider for an electric vehicle. Going out of town I would only ever consider a petrol car. Not least of which is this: th-cam.com/video/BMRHuiDXCL0/w-d-xo.html
But also I don't wanna wait around always. Sometimes I just want to go. E.g. driving from Austin to New Orleans. I don't want to stop anywhere. Just want to drive straight through. Can't do that with an electric car. Driving an electric car in and around town makes a lot of sense though. But there, the range is irrelevant. I don't even drive 50 miles around town every day let along 200 so it's a non issue.
How these early EV batteries hold up long term is really pure speculation. What we know is that battery R&D is about to step up to warp speed. So anything "old" is going to look archaic a couple of tomorrows from today.
When the "solid" type batteries come out, they will be significantly more expensive. This means that the older type batteries will continue to be used for a while.
I’m seeing 2023 q4 etrons for $32k
I believe VW own Electrify America so Audi don't need any agreement with Tesla. I just drove a BMW i4 in California renting for 19 days. You don't need Tesla charging.
Electrify America stations are known to have issues, if Tesla chargers are an option…
It’s a better used deal than that Volvo hands down.
I was curious what two ev car girls would be like now I know.
Guys... we know it's German. We know it's expensive. Also, name me a cheap to repair electric vehicle.
I’ve been watching quite a number of these types of reviews on the first generation Audi e-tron. Frankly, the one common refrain has been the downside of the older technology.
Firstly, it is a 2019 model!!! There’s been vast improvements from that time until now. Secondly, PLEASE stop comparing this vehicle to Tesla and Polestar!!!
I strongly believe that anyone that’s interested in an e-tron is likely not looking at a Model 3 or a Model Y or a Polestar 2 or 3!!!
Different cars in different categories completely!!!
I'd take anyone of the 4,
You are wrong. I was looking at a new model Y and didn't pull the trigger because of the interesting audi etron 2nd hand prices.
Common Sense!
EV batteries do fail at times and cost of replacement can be as much or more even than the vehicle market value resulting in insurance scrapping your car. Do your homework and find out what will happen if either your future EV is involved in a collision or when it will be 8-10 years old. Car companies are not ready to replace batteries and replacement costs are outrageous. Lease a new one if you can offer it and have the disposable income for it; don't buy a use one unless it is crazy depreciated and you have the financial means to pay as much as the price you bought it for repairs.
aka etron 55
Under 200 miles of range is a joke. Probably the reason you can find one around $25k
A friendly piece of advice guys: Your audio is so distorted that I couldnt understand what you were saying. I caught most words, but not all. So, only watched the first three minutes. Please use different audio for your next video! I traded in my Model Y on a used 2019 etron 4 months ago, and glad I did.
I am watching this four weeks later, and there are no audio issues.
The audio's fine. Check your device or your hearing, mate.
There speaking Gen. Z! I work with young people, I speak it.
Is there a contest amongst review guys to see how fast you can talk before you become just noise?
This was content free.
or known by Kyle Conner, the fat one
You keep saying “Luxury”) There is a big difference between “premium” and “luxury”. Audi is never a luxury, it’s a premium
Personally, i wouldn't spend a single £ on any ev.
I suggest you should stop using the term nerd. It is really irritating to intelligent people.
They were nerds, trust me!
@@Jon-ho5tk They like costly repaired Audi EVs, less expensive than dating women.
You boys are too cute. How long have you been dating? 🎉❤🍔
Why, you wanted to join?
100% nerds., women not interested.
2 annoying people talking about an Audi