9mm, 40 S&W, 45 acp | Which One Should You Carry?
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- Which round should you carry? 9mm, 40 smith and Wesson, 45 acp?
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.40 ftw. All the haters keep hatin. More ammo for me. 💪🏾
I'm a .40 guy, to me the .45 is boring and doesn't do well from short barrels (and how many "small" .45's are there since the XDS is now defunct?) and the 9mm is okay, but having shot them all, to me the .40 is the sweet spot. It carries better than the .45 the guns are still small and it hits hard, notably harder than 9mm.
The 40s&w is my favorite pistol caliber too & IMO the best subcompact 40s&w is the H&K P2000SK it's built from the ground up for 40s & there's rounds designed for short barrels from Speer gold dot & Hornady.
Love the short barrel testing. This is the reason I don't carry little short barrel HANDGUNS
I tend to test most things short barrel, longer will always do better but I want to know what the bullet WONT do lol
I shoot and carry 9, 40, and 45. Along with 380, 357 SIG, 38 Spl, 357 Mag, and 10mm. Think I'm good. But push comes to shove in an automatic I'll most likely opt for 40. With 9 running a close second.
What? No 9x25 Dillon?
@@thegundungeon I have 9x25 barrels for G29. But the more I play around with long loading the 357 SIG to 10mm length. The less I do with 9x25. And any difference in performance between them is negligible.
Why 40?
@@Valorius, Hits harder. In a real gunfight its the 1st 1-2 shots that determines who lives & who dosent. Besides, when ones adrenalin dumps everything goes into high gear & recoil wont be a problem. Whichever you can sense shoot the best ( no sights) is the one to use. Especially when Considering most civilian gunfights are within 15 feet or less & last 1-3 seconds. Shooting targets is one thing, real life entirely different.
@@tristantimothy1004 40 does not hit harder than 9mm+P+. And it shoots slower. And costs more to practice with.
Also, I am ex US Army Infantry, so you know...real life.
you said it best at the end, shoot what you shoot best
That’s what it boils down to
You're trying to start a war ain't ya? 😆😆😆
@@Tonys_House lol 😆 you know it!
Use what you shoot best. In centerfire, that equates to = 5.7x28mm ;)
@@thegundungeon Brother understands the algorithm, and i'm helping with some strategic comments :D
357 Sig is my #1 middle ground.
Good place to land
Nice job. Can you do the Barnes TAC-XPD Ammo
I have a Vedder for my FN FNS-40
They make a good product. I have the improved pocket locker on the way to check out.
i carry 10 mm in the cooler months an 9mm an 380 in the warm months an good video!!! by the way
When I got my Canik MC9 and took it out to the range to compare with my Glock 19 I was kind of amazed at my increased accuracy when using the Canik.
Some guns just work for some people
What caliber to carry? Whatever's abundantly available in your area would be the best answer.
I think I can explain why you had the odd times. If you didn't warm up with a few mags before starting.
I can’t remember if I did or not but it’s probably pretty close to what I’d do regardless. I don’t shoot the nano well, the grip angle is off for me. I did that on purpose to illustrate that not all guns are created equal lol
Good stuff. Much appreciated. Thank you.
Thank you!!!
I currently go back and forth between my 1911 in .45 and CZ 75B in 9mm since I shoot them the best, and they're the slimmest of my pistols in common calibers. If I need to be sneaky, I have a .327 Magnum revolver in my pocket and two reloads for each handgun. If I need more than that, either I've made some seriously bad choices, or life has a major problem with me.
That being said, I have carried a variety of chamberings, depending on what I owned and what I could conceal practically at the time, figuring that being able to get rounds on target is more significant than the caliber wars.
Calibers wars are fun though lol 😂
@@thegundungeon And the greatest caliber of them all is 7.62 Tokarev.
That was a spicy round for the 9mm. I doubt the average would be that fast in the short barrel. 9mm. Your point is correct... shoot what works for you! Pistol cartridges are anemic so shot placement is key. Wished you'd have had a ballistic gel test with each. I know you've done in the past but it would have been relevant. Thanks for your efforts.
Yeah all these rounds have been put in gel individually at some point lol. But yeah I’d say that was one of the top end rounds in that box. It was plus p too so not sure if I mentioned that
@@thegundungeon You did not mention it was +p. I was wondering about the velocity you got from it. Standard 124 gr HST is what I carry in my Shield Plus. Magguts gives the 10 round flush fit magazine a pinky extension and a 13 round capacity. Nice combo. My Shield 40 eats Underwood ammo. Different flavors depending on the environment I'm carrying it in.
Also you said it best at the end ( it’s all in what you shoot best) and that for me is the 45acp out of a Glock 21.
That’s a hog leg to carry lol.
@@thegundungeon yes it is. I usually dec my G2C or S&W 686-6 with 7 extra friends.
I have more experience with 357 Sig than anything. Great round.
I picked up an M&P 2.0 10mm 4" hoping to make it a carry. Been back to the factory 3x in just over a year and still won't cycle full power 10mm more than 4 rounds at a time without a FTF or FTE.
I currently carry a 9 because it's so much smaller (P365) and lighter. 10+1 works well enough for me, but I carry at least 12 in a 2nd mag, just in case.
Nice presentation.
Good info
Swamp, Try a Springfield XDM-E. 10MM. 100s of hot bear loads & only 1 FTF & that was one of my reloads. Oops!
@@tristantimothy1004
I looked at it at about the same time. It doesn't fit my hand nearly as nicely as the S&W. I have a G41 MOS with a KKM 10mm barrel and a G40MOS that run anything I feed them. S&W screwed the pooch. Seems it's only on the 4" as the 4.6" and Performance Center models don't seem to have any issues at all.
Thanks for the suggestion; I'll revisit the XDM-E
@@Swampytheroot, Glad to hear you got the KKM bbl for the glock. Seen 3 vids of them blowing out at the retractor due to insufficient base support w the hot bear loads. The. XDM-E does have 3 grip adaptor rear fits. Ive got really small hands so the #1 fits me perfectly. I live in bear central Alaska, been attacked 5 times, 3 up close, too close to bring my 45/70 into play. The 10 is taking over up here & the 2 favorites are the glocks & Springfields. When i tried it out in the gunstore the XDM-E just flew up perfectly aligned & the new trigger is amazing. I only shoot hot loads, practice what im going to be using. Tried the gen 5 glock & its new ergonomics & trigger wasnt bad at all but it still didnt line up as well for me. ( Really small hand curse) Due to the cost of the Underwoods & worse yet Buffalo Bore bear hardcasts i started loading my own 200 grain Berry double plate up to 1244 fps avg & am IMPRESSED! Amazing accuracy. Use an old, thick metal propane bottle & all easily punch through the front but non out the back. The hardcasts simply turn to dust on entry but the Berrys hold together put a big dent in the back. Only slug that makes a hole in the back were the extream penetrators. Didnt go through but almost. Knocked the screwdriver tip flat but retained 85% of its initial weight. Im pretty sure in bear the berrys slugs wont flatten out much if at all. WAY cheaper!! Ive heard the glocks need a stronger spring too for the hot stuff but cant personally verify that. 22-24 lb recoil spring. I liked my 1st XDM-E so much i got 2 more. 3.8 & 2, 4.5s. total. Ive run close to 500 rounds through 1 4.5 & only had 1 FTF. One of my handloads. The other 2 are still in their boxes. One for each son. My son timed me at 15 yards. 1.2 seconds for 2 double taps point shooting. 5 inch circle w the 220 Underwood hardcasts. Similar w the B.B. 200 grain but thoes suckers were all over the place. Different recoil impulse. With my 200 grain Berrys shrank the 5 inch to a 4 inch on my better days. Was using a low leg drop holster but have since switched to a front carry chest rig & its WAY BETTER.
It seems the ergo with the shield makes a big difference.
P365 xl is my sweet spot
Weekend at the range and I discovered that of all my calibers at 10 yards (.380, 9mm, .40, .45) all hit inside the 8×8 square target. 50 rounds or better each and the worst was the lcp max which put center 2 inches low left.
Every one is a carry firearm for me with the max the most often and the 1911 the least. Biggest determination for me?... concealeabilty and weight.
My favorite to shoot? The 1911.
My least? The Max, with the G17 and G22 tying for 2nd.
Now add in a couple .357s and .22s which really are mostly for fun (and ironically the most accurate in my hands 😆) and I am reminded of that wise saying
1st rule in a gun fight is bring a gun.
And then you had to bring in the 10mm 😆
Always gotta throw in the 10! lol
Good perspective. Thank you. I like 40, 357 Sig & 45. But 9mm is still a good option
We all have our favorites lol
The correct answer, of course, is 30 Super Carry!
Yes!!!! Or 10mm either one
.30 Super Carry... The answer to a question no one was asking.
@@HalfCrazy520 to watch their own. I love it
I did the math at one point. Using Glocks as a control. 40S&W is the best for capability, 9mm is the best with cost included as a factor. By a pretty small margin. For a given standard carry loadout, 40S&W allows you to carry more energy. My carry is a M&P 9mm. I carry one 15 rounder in the pistol and a 23 in a knife pouch. Note that, while I found 40 to be mathematically superior, I still carry 9mm. Why? I can't justify the ammo costs for 40. I do have a Beretta 96 and love it, but I only keep a case on hand. Whereas 9mm, I keep a case of Gold Dot, and I lots of training ammo.
Start reloading, cost gets about the same for most handguns then.
9 mm plus P plus is the clear winner.
By the way, all the top modern ballistic experts say that energy levels are just about completely irrelevant in a handgun. I don't entirely agree with that because I think energy is very useful for punching through heavy bone and such, but I mostly agree with it.
@@thegundungeon hey brother did you check out the new TH-cam rules on showing how to reload ammunition? Apparently starting June 15th it's going to be prohibited
@@Valorius well that’s awesome. I haven’t seen it.
@@thegundungeon I posted something on community and I'm going to post another one a few minutes to break it all down
I carry 357 mag so everyone will argue with me! Lol
Boomer!!!! lol 😆 I love some 357 mag
18 Wheel, no argument, only takes 1. 👍
In sub compact pistols, 9mm is the king. In full size pistols, with hst's and a few others, the 45 is the best of those three and imo, the best overall of any semi auto cartridge when everything is factored in. Velocity and foot pounds don't mean much with handguns. It is the penetration and overall expansion that determines the damage done. Handguns, short of the 357 mag with 125 gr 'screamer' loads don't do stretch cavities...and even then it is probably marginal at best in real life. The 45 with good hp's expands to ≈1 inch and with standard pressure rounds can penetrate real gel and 4 layers of denim to 16+inches. You can do that with a 10mm, but with 3x the noise, 2x the recoil and 3x the wear on the gun... however you get about 30% more rounds in the mag...
It’s fun to talk about though lol
40 Shield, 10mm 1911, 9mm Compact
Any healthy adult man can increase hand, wrist and forearm strength to be able to shoot large caliber guns accurately. It just takes time, practice and proper training. So then the next most important requirement in a bullet is its power which translates to-How fast does it make the body lose blood. Therefore, the bigger the bullet=the larger the hole=the faster the blood loss=the quicker the attacker is stopped. That knocks out any bullet below the 40 S&W. Go big to stop the threat .
Every single major police department and Socom disagree with you
@@Valorius Ask all them dead Soldiers in the Civil War who got killed by revolvers of the .44 caliber if they were not deadly enuf.
I have a series of shorts where i calculated 380+P, 9mm and 40 S&W for rate of fire in cyclic rpm. 40 S&W came in last, 9mm came in first. I think if i had used a larger 380+P (I used an LCP max), the 380+P would've won. In fact i think i'll combine them and repost. :D
I’d watch it!
@@thegundungeon I'm editing it right now brother, while also enticing your subscribers to post more copium explaining why .40 S&W isn't illogical and obsolescent. :D
@@Valorius lol 😆
@@Valorius How dare you disrespect the .40 cal brethren! 😅
@@jasonroberts9357 How long you think it'll take them to concede? :D
Carried 40 for years. When ammo got overly expensive I started carrying 9mm more often. Usually rotate 9mm and 10mm depending on weather.
I’m digging 30 super carry too!
9mm gets most carried in summer ain't going to lie....40 most carried in winter with a sprinkle of. 45 or .357 in there
Why not 9mm in winter?
@@Valorius, Easier to conceal a 40 ( which hits harder) w winter clothing.
@@tristantimothy1004 A 9mm loaded with +P+ is just as powerful and holds more rounds.
Also, 9mm and 40 caliber handguns are identical in size as they are built on the exact same frame, in most cases.
.40 ammo also costs more, so is more expensive to practice with.
@@Valorius+p+ 9mm isn't "just as powerful" than 40. I have some underwood loads that produce 590 ft-ibf. The best ots 9mm is still about 90-100 ft-ibf less than that. It's also funny how people compare a hot rod 9mm load to a standard pressure 40sw and then say it's almost as good when it's not.
@@justinvillanueva4624 9mm+P+ 124gr Grizzly is 1400fps,540 fpe. It is just as powerful.
There is a reason virtually NO ONE uses .40 anymore at a professional level.
It's obsolescent, and in reality was never anything more than a marketing gimmick for people who could not make up their mind between 9mm and 45 auto.
I'm going to post this mathematical equation and show you why only 10mm is better than 45 in common carry rounds: V=X×WT X DIA÷7,000. 9mm: 115x1180x.355÷7,000= 6.8. 45cal: 230x835x.452÷7,000= 12.4. 10mm: 12.9... 40cal: 8.43... you can use this equation for any type of ammo. As you can see, 45cal is much better.
If only we were specifically talking about none expanding bullets in large bore rifles narrowly missing elephant brains instead of Taylor himself saying doesn't equate for smaller game. Maybe devide by 3500 or 2000and instead plug In official organic gel expanded diameter of hsts or gold dots or Critical Duty and tall us those number....you will see the difference more in relation to actual expanded diameter differences which us what actually matters to total wound volume
Yup. People use muzzle energy as the be-all-end-all of ballistics... but that completely ignores projectile diameter.
9mm NATO = 7.2
.45 Ball = 12.6
10mm is around 13...
.30-06 = 20.8
*.45-70 Gov = 53* Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!
Point being, what hits harder and hurts more, an ice pick at 100 mph or a 1/2" carriage bolt at 80 mph?
That's hot garbage. You can use math to prove anything you want to prove in your favor.
@@SDGlock23 math and science is how we prove everything genius!
@@BLACKWOLF-1911 It's useful for some stuff but you can't "prove everything" with math, it's just numbers that either work or don't.
None tbh 357sig is ballistically superior and the GOAT 🐐 with 45acp +p being a close 2nd
9mm+P+ is so close to 357 sig that it just doesn't justify the extra cost or reduction in ammo capacity or firearm choices.
@Valorius 9mm +p+ doesn't come within 150fps or 200fps of a full power 357sig....and with any 9mm+p+ anything you are NOT within SAAMI specs and with even the slightest setback round you risk a case rupture or worse blowing your barrel and gun up...357sig guns are built to withstand the 40k psi pressures all day...if you feel the need to add a bunch of pluses (+) move up to a bigger gun like 40sw or even better 357sig or 10mm
@@kevinrichardson8859 right, and 357-Sig is one of my favorite rounds to carry. Easy to shoot IMO.
135 gr, 1,600 ft/sec or 155 gr, 1,500 ft/sec Underwood in my 3.6" SA 10mm is pretty much king ballistically for a great every day carry piece. 125 gr 357 sig can't quite keep up.
@@Valorius lol FALSE
Handguns especially small ones offer only slightly different "damage" or "stopping power". If you have one that is comfortable to wear and you shoot well dont worry about anything else trying to fill that role.
Easy answer, 9mm. The caliber wars are over, 9mm won. The guns are small, the ammo's cheap, the recoil is low, the capacity is high, and it will take down everything from a squirrel to a moose. Anything which has an advantage in any one area is just splitting hairs in the preform edge it offers and it will fall short in other areas. Yes, I have seen a moose killed by 9mm fired from a Glock 26.
In very niche scenarios it does make sense to carry a different caliber, such as an area with a magazine capacity restriction.
It’s not what you carry but that you carry
Something better than nothing
1195 from a 3" Nano.....stock is 1150 from 4" and 1200 +p from 4" so that does not make sense... super old round & extra pp or what...chrono off just checked chrono in article on 4 115 loads not as fast as that...BIGGER is more Tissue Crush...NOT true on the Penetration either CLEAR Ballistics makes 9mm pen WAY farther because less dense in ratio to caliber etc....Organic Gel does not.
In the same media 9mm hst and 45 hst, 9mm penetrates deeper. Organic gel isn’t part of the equation if I’m using the same media for both.
Honest answer: Doesn't matter, but not .40. :D
lol 😆 I like me some 40…10mm
@@thegundungeon 10mm makes some sense, cause its in a totally different power level. 40S&W is just a slightly fatter 9mm+P+ that holds less bullets, because it's fatter. :D
Good video btw
Again with the disrespect? 🤪
@@jasonroberts9357 I am a bad man! 😆
@@Valorius what a ridiculous comment. You have no idea what you're talking about. Go watch some Paul Harrel do a legit 9 vs 40 cal test and you'll see it is definitely a lot more powerful and not just some supercharged +p 9mm round LMFAO