There’s some interesting information when it relates to heavy clothing and ammunition. In my junior year of college, I had a forensics class with the Deputy Director of the State Bureau of Investigation in my state. We looked at a shooting where a man wore several work coats and thick shirts in an officer-involved shooting. He was shot around 20 times with 180 grain .40 S&W Speer Gold Dot. The rounds penetrated about 2” and didn’t expand due to how clogged they had become with his clothing. He eventually was taken down with several .223 62-grain Hornady Tap rounds. He wasn’t high on drugs or under the influence of alcohol. It was a very interesting class experience!
an old sheriff in new mexico once told me, its best to have a gun with a 4 inch or more barrel and a caliber that starts with 4 or more and you putting 4 hits on target
I live in Michigan and this is what we wear if not more depending on the temp. 10mm all day for winter carry for me 👍🏼 those solid copper rounds from underwood are nice for winter carry!
Very good test. Disappointed the HST's didn't perform with the heavy clothing. 10mm surely worked well. It begs for the same test with factory Gold Dots in 9, 40 and 45.
Well done. Great test. Huge help. But you know this isn't over. You know where this is going. You done opened up a big old can of juicy night crawlers.
@@thegundungeon Yep...I figured it might. Lol. Surprised me that the HSTs failed. My best guess is that these all need a bit more velocity. Hence, the very good performance of the 180 Gold Dot 10mm. The fact that the 165 40 manifested an attempt would indicate that to be so. I carry a 40 EDC. 4.25" S&W or on occasion a 3.5" S&W. 165 Gold Dot at the moment. But I have used the Critical Defense 165. It performed great in all my crude media tests.
I predict 10mm and .40 do best if better JHPs like hst or gold dots. 45 maybe too slow depending on how many layers. Same...9mm can clog if too many. I think 1cm best for heavy winter....ill be on hrfunk channel at Noon and my 9mm jhp accuracy comparison at 9am
Got 38/9mm tests w 4 Layer Denim, w my upcoming 357 tests (7 loads so far) I used 4 Layer Denim followed by 2 layers of T-shirt as that is enough to separate bullet performance for what could be either heavy winter clothing bad guys or animal defense.
Great demonstration for shorter barrels. I myself swap out for Critical Duty in January, February, and March. I'd like to see your results for that. Please, and Thank you. That said, I don't carry anything less than Block 19 Block 30, or Block anything because I prefer non-innovated perfection myself. 😊
I don’t switch calibers or guns due to the seasons. I carry what I carry according to wants, size, weight constraints and attire. The ammo I choose does well in light clothing and in the heavy layer IWBA test protocols. If it wasn’t said during the premier. Thank you for the video. The time and effort are appreciated
Your results were exactly what I would have expected. Whenever I’ve seen people discuss changing ammunition in the winter, it’s usually to a full metal jacket load, as if conventional clothing of any sort was going to stop hollow points, and of course that’s silly. So why switch from hollow points due to heavier clothing? If bullets expand like your 10mm Gold Dot, then they expand; if they don’t for some reason, then the worst that can happen is that they act like FMJ-so why switch to FMJ to begin with? Good video; thanks.
Interesting for sure! My guess is the difference is the bullet design vs the caliber. You had a great range of velocity between the three pistols using the HST’s plus P fast 9mm through to the slow .45 regardless this didn’t let the HST redeem itself a bit. Though the bullet weight was different between the .40 and the 10mm, bullet diameter would of course be the same. I doubt there was much velocity difference between the lighter .40 and the heavier 10mm in the shorter barrels. Looks like Gold Dot is a winner for winter, sorry couldn’t help that. Have to admit I am surprised at the HST’s performance, Have to re-think carry loads now. Excellent test thank you for it, would be interesting to re-visit with all Gold Dots.
Fantastic test. The results of this confirms why the Underwood Xtreme Defender is my preferred round. It is barrier blind and does not depend on expansion to do damage or limit penetration.
I love this video. The comment section is continuously touting h s t as being clothing proof. And the 9 mm crowd is constantly trashing the 10 mm crowd. Thank you for clearing a couple things up. You also prove that regardless of expansion or not all of those firearms put holes in things. So sure we have bullet design failure. But do we really have bullet failure? 👊👍
GREAT Test!! That's the only time I've seen the 9mm +P HST not expand. Normally the 9mm & the 40 cal HST bullets expand without fail but given extremly heavy winter clothing they may or may not expand.
Remember everyone, these tests are out of "shorter barreled" EDC pistols. Additionally, the "thick clothing layer" is indeed very thiccck, probably the thickest test I've ever seen tested! Party time in the 10mm club
I would love to see what the Nosler 135's would do in this test. I'd also be interested in what the 200 grain XTP would do. All driven by some Blue Dot.
I guess it is all about where you live. Up here in the Northeast rural wasteland, I pocket carry 380 all summer. (except in the spring up here in black bear country when I strap on the 357 Mag) In winter I change because of my own winter clothing, not someone else's, I carry my 9x19 CZ 75 Compact because I can conceal it a hek of a lot easier than in summer shorts and tanktop weather.
@@thegundungeonthat's because it's made for duty sized barrels the critical defense is made for short barrels if you would have used a duty sized gun in this video I guarantee every caliber would have passed with flying colors I always switch to a bigger firearm in the winter not to hard to hide under winter gear.
G29 with Underwood gold dots here. Wish they still made them. Thinking similar (maybe not quite as fast) to your handloads except gotta be frugal with mine!
@@thegundungeon I agree. I did find the G29 to have a little less felt recoil even with the shorter 2 finger grip as opposed to the full grip on the XDm Elite 3.8. Need to get a G29. I see the Gen 5 was released at shot show
@Thegundungeon -- I get you just wanted to throw the 10mm gold dot in there because thats what u carry but tbh I would have shot atleast 3 or 4 of them thru heavyclothing to ensure the gold dot is consistent..I see a lot of guys doing gel test for all types of loads but what I dont see is anyone shooting atleast 3 rounds of each diff ammo to show consistency.. 1 round is hard to say something is def going to react a certain way everytime.. just wanted to share my thoughts. What is your opinion on this? I enjoy your videos & content! Thx 🤙💪👊💯
I typically shoot 3-4 when testing a single ammo in gel. This was kinda an odd duck video. I’ll be doing more of this though since it has peaked some interest.
@@thegundungeon Sadly everyone does not share your logic. One channel I used to enjoy tested in short barrels a lot but switched to 5” barrels because he liked the 5” M&P
I'd love to see the Buffalo Bore 38+P LSWCHP in this test from a snubby. I'm curious what kind of damage the sharp shoulders might cause of it doesn't happen to expand. If it does, great!
Great stuff as always. I'm sure everyone will be clamoring for every conceivable round through heavy clothing tests now. Hope you're ready for the Pandora's Box you have opened up. 😂
@@thegundungeon that is awesome, here is a 40cal a 155 gr XTP loaded with Longshot maximum 9 gr start with around 7.5 gn and work upwards .Check out your load data for Longshot. Being experienced reloader! ALWAYS SAFETY FIRST 💯. YOU BE THE JUDGE.
Yeah I used a crappy block because all Of these have been tested in fresh blocks to see the wound tracks. This was more concerned with the penetration and expansion, not so much the wound track. I’ll link the video showing the performance of these regarding wound tracks
@@zigbeegooblesnort125 I’ll be honest, I did this video with kind of selfish intent, had no idea it would take off like it has so far lol. I’ll have a remolded or new one in the next chapter of what’s is likely to be a series now
You cheated! You did this on purpose! So if I got it right, despite HST being specifically designed to improve expansion without sacrificing penetration, none of the rounds were as effective through heavy clothing as they were through light clothing. Watching your test I didn’t like what I was seeing. Wanting a hollow point that does expand as desired through heavy winter clothing I did a little research and stumbled upon an old article at luckygunner that describes the results of tests they did. Various calibers of various manufacture fired through heavy clothing into ballistic gel. They even include detailed charts with pictures showing results. It was interesting to see how some bullets consistently expanded, expansion on some was inconsistent while others didn’t expand at all. I’m still confused. Most of their 10mm tests expanded nicely, but a couple didn’t expand at all. 9mm tests were all over the board. You tested 9mm 124 gr HST +P and it failed to expand. Maybe it’s by intent, but you didn’t mention the manufacturer. The chart I looked at showed Federal 9mm 124 gr HST +P expanding into a nice flower. I realize your tests and demonstrations are geared towards allowing the viewer to make their own conclusions and there are way more variables to be considered when making a decision on what round to carry. Hell, maybe it’s just the butterfly effect coming in to play as to what works and what doesn't. In the end, you’ve got me thinking and a little more research is in order.
@thegundungeon I don't see a great advantage over 9mm or 40sw. You always lose something to get more. It's a smaller, weaker round than 9mm. Supposedly, less recoil, but several people say it's no discernable difference. It seems it's sold in the same size guns, so you're not getting better concealablility. You're picking up a couple of extra rounds. Like 17 is a massive advantage over 15. If you carry a spare mag and can't hit something in 30 rounds, you need special help.
@@FoulPet I’m getting over 1300 fps with a 100gr xtp in 30 super carry, matching factory federal 9mm 124gr +p in terms of energy. That added with the extra capacity and the fact it consistently penetrates deeper than 9mm, is a great selling point for me. I’m one that doesn’t mind carrying handloads, so it’s all about what the round CAN do vs what it’s being sold as for me.
@thegundungeon underwood gets 1500 using a 124 grain with 357 sig. 30sc is already at 50k pressures. If you're pushing that over its normal rating, you could push 357 or 40. More powder and bigger bullet is more power usually.. hand loading, you can tune just about anything to get better than factory. You're still turning a weaker round.
@@FoulPet the handload isn’t over max pressures, factory ammo is just always downloaded unless it’s someone like underwood. Agreed bigger bullets and more case capacity will always be more powerful, I just think the 30sc is a good balance between mag capacity and terminal ballistics as well as manageable recoil.
I keep trying to tell everyone when they say "NoBoDy WeArS 4 lAyErS oF dEniM" that winter clothing is worse. You just proved this, so thank you...
lol I get that a lot too
There’s some interesting information when it relates to heavy clothing and ammunition. In my junior year of college, I had a forensics class with the Deputy Director of the State Bureau of Investigation in my state. We looked at a shooting where a man wore several work coats and thick shirts in an officer-involved shooting. He was shot around 20 times with 180 grain .40 S&W Speer Gold Dot. The rounds penetrated about 2” and didn’t expand due to how clogged they had become with his clothing. He eventually was taken down with several .223 62-grain Hornady Tap rounds. He wasn’t high on drugs or under the influence of alcohol. It was a very interesting class experience!
Wow that’s insane. Where did this happen? Is there public info on it?
I remember hearing about that in the news
10 Mil is the best Mil. Thanks for using it in a G29. It's in my EDC rotation
I carry mine a good bit as well
Now you need to do the same test with different types of bullets. There are good defense rounds that are not hollow points.
I’ll definitely be revisiting this one
an old sheriff in new mexico once told me, its best to have a gun with a 4 inch or more barrel and a caliber that starts with 4 or more and you putting 4 hits on target
Sound advice
You forgot to mention that the Glock 29 has almost a 4 inch barrel. But either way 10 mm has the velocity and mass for heavy clothes
Looks like 10mm is the all around CHAMP! G29 is my woods carry. Great test.
It’s always champ lol
I live in Michigan and this is what we wear if not more depending on the temp. 10mm all day for winter carry for me 👍🏼 those solid copper rounds from underwood are nice for winter carry!
40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions
Very good test. Disappointed the HST's didn't perform with the heavy clothing. 10mm surely worked well. It begs for the same test with factory Gold Dots in 9, 40 and 45.
Yep I’ll definitely be revisiting this one. Seems to have got a good amount of attention and interest.
Well done. Great test. Huge help.
But you know this isn't over. You know where this is going. You done opened up a big old can of juicy night crawlers.
lol I’d say you’re right, that jacket gonna get some more holes id say
@@thegundungeon Yep...I figured it might. Lol. Surprised me that the HSTs failed. My best guess is that these all need a bit more velocity. Hence, the very good performance of the 180 Gold Dot 10mm. The fact that the 165 40 manifested an attempt would indicate that to be so. I carry a 40 EDC. 4.25" S&W or on occasion a 3.5" S&W. 165 Gold Dot at the moment. But I have used the Critical Defense 165. It performed great in all my crude media tests.
@@guardianminifarm8005 I’d say my next test with this will include some Hornady ftx type bullets.
@@thegundungeon I look forward to it. Many thanks.
I predict 10mm and .40 do best if better JHPs like hst or gold dots. 45 maybe too slow depending on how many layers. Same...9mm can clog if too many. I think 1cm best for heavy winter....ill be on hrfunk channel at Noon and my 9mm jhp accuracy comparison at 9am
Im a gold dot and xtreme defender fan myself.
Gold dots been one of my favs for many years
@@thegundungeon me too. My other go to used to be corbon, but i became a bigger fan of the defender.
Got 38/9mm tests w 4 Layer Denim, w my upcoming 357 tests (7 loads so far) I used 4 Layer Denim followed by 2 layers of T-shirt as that is enough to separate bullet performance for what could be either heavy winter clothing bad guys or animal defense.
Velocity Velocity...357 Sig loaded with Gold Dots.
Definitely revisiting this one
Great demonstration for shorter barrels. I myself swap out for Critical Duty in January, February, and March. I'd like to see your results for that. Please, and Thank you. That said, I don't carry anything less than Block 19 Block 30, or Block anything because I prefer non-innovated perfection myself. 😊
I fully intend to revisit this and hornady ftx bullets will be involved lol
I don’t switch calibers or guns due to the seasons. I carry what I carry according to wants, size, weight constraints and attire. The ammo I choose does well in light clothing and in the heavy layer IWBA test protocols.
If it wasn’t said during the premier. Thank you for the video. The time and effort are appreciated
I appreciate that. Thanks for watching!
Seasons affect your attire buddy 😂
Your results were exactly what I would have expected. Whenever I’ve seen people discuss changing ammunition in the winter, it’s usually to a full metal jacket load, as if conventional clothing of any sort was going to stop hollow points, and of course that’s silly. So why switch from hollow points due to heavier clothing? If bullets expand like your 10mm Gold Dot, then they expand; if they don’t for some reason, then the worst that can happen is that they act like FMJ-so why switch to FMJ to begin with? Good video; thanks.
Good points lol. If I’m carrying fmj, I’m carrying a 32 acp or im out of hollow points (not likely in my lifetime)
Interesting for sure! My guess is the difference is the bullet design vs the caliber. You had a great range of velocity between the three pistols using the HST’s plus P fast 9mm through to the slow .45 regardless this didn’t let the HST redeem itself a bit. Though the bullet weight was different between the .40 and the 10mm, bullet diameter would of course be the same. I doubt there was much velocity difference between the lighter .40 and the heavier 10mm in the shorter barrels. Looks like Gold Dot is a winner for winter, sorry couldn’t help that. Have to admit I am surprised at the HST’s performance, Have to re-think carry loads now. Excellent test thank you for it, would be interesting to re-visit with all Gold Dots.
I’m going to revisit this with several other loads for sure
Gold dots just work..............
They do! Wish they’d become more available for reloaders again soon.
Would to see 357 sig in the heavy winter clothes
I’m definitely gonna have to revisit this one for sure
@@thegundungeon i just got a Shield 40 M2.0 Performance Center and thinking about getting the 357 conversion barrel
@@bbazzracing I have a video on a conversion barrel for that exact thing lol
@@thegundungeon yes i watched and liked it. You now have a new Sub.
@@bbazzracing awesome! Hope you continue to enjoy the content
Fantastic test. The results of this confirms why the Underwood Xtreme Defender is my preferred round. It is barrier blind and does not depend on expansion to do damage or limit penetration.
Good point
I love this video. The comment section is continuously touting h s t as being clothing proof. And the 9 mm crowd is constantly trashing the 10 mm crowd.
Thank you for clearing a couple things up.
You also prove that regardless of expansion or not all of those firearms put holes in things. So sure we have bullet design failure. But do we really have bullet failure?
👊👍
Definitely holes in there lol. Thanks for watching!
GREAT Test!! That's the only time I've seen the 9mm +P HST not expand. Normally the 9mm & the 40 cal HST bullets expand without fail but given extremly heavy winter clothing they may or may not expand.
The material in all the bullets looked to me like it was the brown carhartt material so maybe that’s the game changer.
@@thegundungeon I bet you're right. That's a super tough material. How fast are those Gold Dots going in the 10mm G29? They worked beautifully
@@frankbrowning328 I want to say little over 1200 from the g29. I know they push 1275 from a 4.5”
@@thegundungeon Very good velocity. Now we know the speed necessary to get this performance. Thanks
I’ve seen quit a few videos of it not expanding
Remember everyone, these tests are out of "shorter barreled" EDC pistols. Additionally, the "thick clothing layer" is indeed very thiccck, probably the thickest test I've ever seen tested! Party time in the 10mm club
lol I go big when I go 😂
Vedder holsters 👍 Vedder lite-tuck w/tuckable belt clip 👍. Target sports 👍. Agree would like to see a Shield Plus in 40.
Can you do that same test with the Hornaday Critical Duty bullets?
I’m definitely going to revisit this with several different rounds
Great test and great video!
Thank you and thanks for watching!
I would love to see what the Nosler 135's would do in this test. I'd also be interested in what the 200 grain XTP would do.
All driven by some Blue Dot.
I’m gonna have to revisit this one for sure lol
I guess it is all about where you live. Up here in the Northeast rural wasteland, I pocket carry 380 all summer. (except in the spring up here in black bear country when I strap on the 357 Mag) In winter I change because of my own winter clothing, not someone else's, I carry my 9x19 CZ 75 Compact because I can conceal it a hek of a lot easier than in summer shorts and tanktop weather.
Sound logic
hornady critical duty for winter clothing.
I’ve honestly not had good luck with critical duty from short barrels
Good video, thanks.
Thank you and thanks for watching
Looks like critical duty for winter it is
I’ve not had good luck with critical duty out of short barrels.
@@thegundungeonthat's because it's made for duty sized barrels the critical defense is made for short barrels if you would have used a duty sized gun in this video I guarantee every caliber would have passed with flying colors I always switch to a bigger firearm in the winter not to hard to hide under winter gear.
@@timtaylor1483 I may put that to the test. I’ll be revisiting this one for sure lol
G29 with Underwood gold dots here. Wish they still made them. Thinking similar (maybe not quite as fast) to your handloads except gotta be frugal with mine!
Gonna have to start rolling your own lol
Man you are gonna convince me to go ahead and buy that new Taurus 10 mm pistol, that I’ve been looking at…
Do it… just… DO IT! lol 😂
Great video!
Thank you! Thanks for watching
Your 10 mm inspired me today to rent a G29 and compare it with the XD elite 3.8 both great 👍🏼
@@RandyWittmann both are excellent options
@@thegundungeon I agree. I did find the G29 to have a little less felt recoil even with the shorter 2 finger grip as opposed to the full grip on the XDm Elite 3.8. Need to get a G29. I see the Gen 5 was released at shot show
@Thegundungeon -- I get you just wanted to throw the 10mm gold dot in there because thats what u carry but tbh I would have shot atleast 3 or 4 of them thru heavyclothing to ensure the gold dot is consistent..I see a lot of guys doing gel test for all types of loads but what I dont see is anyone shooting atleast 3 rounds of each diff ammo to show consistency.. 1 round is hard to say something is def going to react a certain way everytime.. just wanted to share my thoughts. What is your opinion on this? I enjoy your videos & content! Thx 🤙💪👊💯
I typically shoot 3-4 when testing a single ammo in gel. This was kinda an odd duck video. I’ll be doing more of this though since it has peaked some interest.
Would live to see this with xtreme penetrators or defenders
I’d say both of those would dominate in this test. They are pretty barrier blind
Can you do this with Hornady Critical Duty ?
I definitely plan on revisiting this with several other loads. That will be one
But they all make holes through the clothing so hit is a hit to me lol
Thx for the video!
Thank you for watching!
Yep... you did that on purpose. 😆
Gold dots for the win. All year 🙂
I knew I’d get accused of it for being a 10mm fan boy lol
This is why 10mm is my winter carry.
Can’t ever be wrong with 10mm lol
The difference may well be in using Gold Dot in the last test.
I’m sure that was a factor. That was an after thought during the making of the video lol 😂. Was purely selfish motive
9 for city 40 for woods always G26 1st then G23
Thanks for the short barrels!
I typically test short barrels cause that’s what’s carried most
@@thegundungeon Sadly everyone does not share your logic. One channel I used to enjoy tested in short barrels a lot but switched to 5” barrels because he liked the 5” M&P
I'd love to see the Buffalo Bore 38+P LSWCHP in this test from a snubby. I'm curious what kind of damage the sharp shoulders might cause of it doesn't happen to expand. If it does, great!
The 45 ACP+P HST may have expanded too, but I guess ya never know.
I’ll definitely have to revisit this with some different loads
10mm all day💪🇺🇸🇺🇸
Best millimeter lol
Great test. Id like to see .357 Magnum tested.
I’m gonna be doing more of these for sure. Seems to have peaked some interest
Great stuff as always. I'm sure everyone will be clamoring for every conceivable round through heavy clothing tests now.
Hope you're ready for the Pandora's Box you have opened up. 😂
I’d say that carhartt is gonna get a few more holes in it lol 😂
@@thegundungeon Without a doubt. Maybe you could get luck and they'll sponsor the channel too! 😆
@@wilcoxin124 lol 😂 good idea
Good video! I would not want to be hit with anyone of them led poisoning projectiles.
What Co loaded the 10mm?? Did I miss it ?
I loaded it lol. It’s my typical 10mm carry load, healthy dose of blue dot powder and the 180gr gold dot
@@thegundungeon that is awesome, here is a 40cal a 155 gr XTP loaded with Longshot maximum 9 gr start with around 7.5 gn and work upwards .Check out your load data for Longshot. Being experienced reloader!
ALWAYS SAFETY FIRST 💯.
YOU BE THE JUDGE.
@@davidrdanner4232 check this out…
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.357 sig has entered the chat
I’ll have some tested in this format before too long. Looks like I have several more of these tests coming lol
What’s the velocity on that 10mm 180 GD hand load?
1230ish from the g29, 1270 from 5”
Thanks
Slightly off topic, but what are your thoughts on carrying hand loads vs factory ammo?
I actually have a whole video on it and a reloading and rambling on it. I’ll link the r&r
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These 10mm he shot are handloads. Speer does not make a 180gn load for 10mm.
@@ShutterManAce and their factory 200gr gold dots could use some more oomph, another reason I carry handloads lol
Factory loads.
Great idea, but cloudy, shot up gel blocks are hard to see what's going on. Almost a good video.
Yeah I used a crappy block because all
Of these have been tested in fresh blocks to see the wound tracks. This was more concerned with the penetration and expansion, not so much the wound track. I’ll link the video showing the performance of these regarding wound tracks
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@thegundungeon My 2c, I like to watch the bullet performance thru a barrier and as it goes thru the block.
@@zigbeegooblesnort125 I’ll be honest, I did this video with kind of selfish intent, had no idea it would take off like it has so far lol. I’ll have a remolded or new one in the next chapter of what’s is likely to be a series now
@@thegundungeon Standing by...Get-R-Done!
Clean up your blocks!
You cheated! You did this on purpose!
So if I got it right, despite HST being specifically designed to improve expansion without sacrificing penetration, none of the rounds were as effective through heavy clothing as they were through light clothing. Watching your test I didn’t like what I was seeing. Wanting a hollow point that does expand as desired through heavy winter clothing I did a little research and stumbled upon an old article at luckygunner that describes the results of tests they did. Various calibers of various manufacture fired through heavy clothing into ballistic gel. They even include detailed charts with pictures showing results. It was interesting to see how some bullets consistently expanded, expansion on some was inconsistent while others didn’t expand at all. I’m still confused. Most of their 10mm tests expanded nicely, but a couple didn’t expand at all. 9mm tests were all over the board. You tested 9mm 124 gr HST +P and it failed to expand. Maybe it’s by intent, but you didn’t mention the manufacturer. The chart I looked at showed Federal 9mm 124 gr HST +P expanding into a nice flower. I realize your tests and demonstrations are geared towards allowing the viewer to make their own conclusions and there are way more variables to be considered when making a decision on what round to carry. Hell, maybe it’s just the butterfly effect coming in to play as to what works and what doesn't. In the end, you’ve got me thinking and a little more research is in order.
All of the hst loads were factory federal loads. The 10mm gold dot was a handload and thrown in for my own selfish desire to know since I carry it lol
Lost me at 30sc
30 super carry wasn’t in this test. I like it though
@thegundungeon I don't see a great advantage over 9mm or 40sw. You always lose something to get more.
It's a smaller, weaker round than 9mm. Supposedly, less recoil, but several people say it's no discernable difference.
It seems it's sold in the same size guns, so you're not getting better concealablility. You're picking up a couple of extra rounds. Like 17 is a massive advantage over 15. If you carry a spare mag and can't hit something in 30 rounds, you need special help.
@@FoulPet I’m getting over 1300 fps with a 100gr xtp in 30 super carry, matching factory federal 9mm 124gr +p in terms of energy. That added with the extra capacity and the fact it consistently penetrates deeper than 9mm, is a great selling point for me. I’m one that doesn’t mind carrying handloads, so it’s all about what the round CAN do vs what it’s being sold as for me.
@thegundungeon underwood gets 1500 using a 124 grain with 357 sig.
30sc is already at 50k pressures. If you're pushing that over its normal rating, you could push 357 or 40. More powder and bigger bullet is more power usually.. hand loading, you can tune just about anything to get better than factory.
You're still turning a weaker round.
@@FoulPet the handload isn’t over max pressures, factory ammo is just always downloaded unless it’s someone like underwood. Agreed bigger bullets and more case capacity will always be more powerful, I just think the 30sc is a good balance between mag capacity and terminal ballistics as well as manageable recoil.
Now you have and went and made the hst fanboys heads explode,🤣😂
lol 😂 it happens. No one is safe on this channel. We all get a turn in the barrel