Fanatec ClubSport DD - First Impressions Hands On From A Hairless FFB Snob
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- First Impressions of Fanatecs new ClubSport DD SimRacing FFB wheel which adds "Full Force" and a great upgrade path from the GTDD/CSLDD.
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Yours to order in November 2023. Delivered Christmas 2027, or lost in a warehouse.
Yeah I ordered my QR2s shipping the 6th of November... They'll probably delay that and then the pros ($200 models) will sell out.
I know right..... its mind boggling people even mess with fanajunk, that company is a mess right now and they got time to go to a expo and show off more console junk but no time to satisfy there customers they have now with shipping what they paid for and you can just forget it if you happen to need support for there equipment because u wont get it at all but people will be all 3rd eye blind and preorder anyway full well knowing there a mess but thinking "ohh not me i will get it in the mail" 🤭🤭🤭🤭
@@traviss9059 My QR2s arrived swiftly, so you have hope lol.
I don't know if you say this because of a personal experience, especially when it comes to the support part of your comment, but I contacted them about a month ago because my steering wheel buttons, paddles and encoders would sometimes (not often, but unpredictably)) stop working. They answered within 24 hours with the usual firmware update suggestions, and then - when they didn't work - sent me UPS labels for me to dispatch my DD2 (with 3 years of heavy use) to Germany. I sent it on a Tuesday from Portugal and received it back on Friday of the following week. Maybe I was lucky, but bad experiences tend to get just a bit overblown - and considered to be universal truths - on the internet.
@@JoseAAbreu-hq8xr its out of two dealings i have had,your just a lucky one....just look at fanatec forums and i rest my case .its ok u like them its okay i dont like them i just dont want the FACT that fanatec is screwing people around to get lost in the mix of things just because they release another entry level dd dont mean there business as a whole is not making bad decisions that the consumer is paying for
The dd+ is the best wheelbase ive ever used. Period, constant forces and never dipping onlt when lack of grip or grip loss. This thing has incredible power for the dd+ it has so much detail and so much forces it tells you at all times whats going on. It feels polished and covers every single area you want from a dd wheel.
Feels just like simucube and asetek had a baby.
It was so good it stole the show.
I love when people beg for more detail and want sharper and then when they get they try finding reasons to bash a product that does what they asked for just because its a brand they dont use lol. Im sry if someone says something bad about the dd/dd+ then they are just lieing to themslelves and being bias af.
I think it killed the Podium as we know it. I wouldn't be surprised to see an announcement for a new Podium wheel base within the year with the new tech and a new look.
jackermaier said that in near future the Podium Bases will be not rebuilt...maybe in in years....
@@EdelOss1 I hadn't heard that. But since the majority of people seem to find 12-15 nm to be the sweet spot it does make sense, especially if the higher nm bases generally aren't being sold.
Fanatec lost the high end market anyway. They now focus on entry level and consoles, and that's ok. 20 or more nm for console are useless anyway because there aren't even the games available to use them properly
@@drchtct I don't think Fanatec lost the high end market at all. Especially with the QR2 and latest firmware, the DD1 and DD2 are still only just behind Simucube in fidelity and strength, and, as a complete package with an attached steering wheel, are nicer values than their comparable Simucube competitors.
@@johnathanmoyer2375 Pretty much all reviewers (and tons of community posts) agree that the DD1 and DD2 are not on the level of the Simucube, Asetek,VRS and Simagic bases. Even Fanatec themselves say that they are outdated and their Clubsport DD is the real competitor to the other brands for now. For whoever bought them that's not an issue, they are still good bases in general, but for everyone buying into a new ecosystem, the DD1 and DD2 are no options anymore at the price point. And then Fanatec simply has no competitive product against Simucube, Asetek, VRS and Simagic at high torque levels (20nm and higher). Same as they have no high-end pedals in their line-up. By the way, if we talk QR2 (the only high-end QR they have), they also get expensive compared to the competition.
I'm not hating on Fanatec, I am happy they are finally getting back on track with the QR2 and the Clubsport DD. But they still have catch-up to do in the high-end market, there's no denying that.
DD1/DD2 users really can just be happy and keep their gear till something legitimately groundbreaking comes along.
The only thing ground braking that can come along is if developers add telemetry driven ffb like with the acuforce wheel that lets you change sustained load based on under steer , rotation and other aspects of the car.
All the DD,s since OSW are within spec to line up with SIM and drive perfectly fine.
The issue is the SIM software really and games like GT7,ACC having no dynamic range to the ffb.
You have LEGIT presenting skills mate.
Thanks !
Good on Fanatec for bringing out brand new models that they also wont be able to supply stock of for indeterminate amounts of time. Keep up the good work guys!
Thanks for review, looking good!
I was really hoping he'd refer to the Boost Kit as the "high power, power pack" again 🤣
Purchased a PS5 in August upgrading from a PS4 driving with a Thrustmaster's T300RS. I'll be certainly buying this fanatec dd in early 2024 if in stock, thanks for your video.
I went from T300 Alcantara edition to DD1 - WOW!!! it's amazing. Got addicted and ACC hours keep adding. AC over 1500 on ACC PS4 version over 1600 hours on ACC PS5 version over 1200 hours at the moment... Expensive but worth the money spent. Only thing I keep saying to myself it's good I bought it. I was looking, window shopping on ytube for 2 years, wasting time till I got it. if you seriously love simracing I'm telling honestly DD is a must.
@@kristaps2010 Which DD is available on PlayStation 4 & 5 please?
Nice preview! 👍
From one hairless knob to another, could you do a video about which kind of racing pedals work well as (make shift) flight rudder pedals?
I, and perhaps others, are looking to upgrade to loadcell racing pedals, but might want a set which can do double duty as a rudder (clutch + accelerator) and find having dedicated rudders a hassle to switch between on a universal race and (combat) flight sim rig.
Ive been using a Clubsport V2.5 for a while now and been wanting to move into the world of Direct Drive and funny enough literally a couple days ago i thought i wonder if they will release a new Clubsport Base but DD instead and now here we are deffiantly gonna be looking at getting this.
same
Exactly the same. Only upgrading the wheels will be a bit of a pain.
@@filipruml They made the CS DD downgradeable to the QR1! You don’t need to touch any of the electronics like cables, etc.
It’s just four screws and done. The adapter is called QR1 Type-F and will be available soon. I don‘t expect it to be more than 50 bucks since it’s just a piece of metal.
Same here. V2.5 owner, looked at the DD but didn't see it as much of an upgrade. Finally this has come out and it looks great.
Same boat, I already pre ordered it, let's hope for the best
I saw you recording this at the Expo James which is why I didn't come and say hello. 😁
Ha 😂 lol I was so tired recording this , don't think it's that noticeable on the video though 😅
Will that motor shaft extension be available? I like everything about this except how close the wheel mounts to the base. Doesn't look like enough room to use a DDU, which I do a lot...
I think they are going to either refresh the DD1/2 bases or disc. all together and these are going to be their offerings until they are ready to refresh them or the podium series they are on sale right now because of QR2 but I wouldn't be surprised that once they are bought and out of stock it says disc. like the F1 podium did
I really want them to do some updated wheels.
not only you pal...there wheels are outdated
It killed the Podium DD and its got my finances in the crosshairs.
Mabe in a year, I'll "need" to upgrade from my CSL-DD.
James seems so happy IRL 😄
Hi thank you for your video, did you had the opportunity to test DD and DD+? in your opinion does the 300€ difference worth the 3 NM? which one do you advice for PC player? thanks
Well if the new software is available for the podiums then at least that will help them feel a little better even if they are ‘old’ tech
I love truforce on the Logitech Pro. That being said it still hasn't replaced my DD1 podium on my console rig because of the logi pedals and not having extra rims.
So now I'm going to have to buy the new base (and some qr2 wheel side) and finally get rid of the DD1 and the logi Pro I have sitting around, on the plus side both of those wheels will more than cover the price of the new fanatec. And if it's really good I might have to go back to having one rig and retire the Asetek base on my PC rig at an early age.
Really what’s wrong with the Logitech pedals? This is my first DD wheel and I love it Logitech g pro wheel and pedals. Honestly i don’t see my self upgrading because the pedals feel perfect ❤
Looking at you crammed into that Fanatec rig, you must be over 7 feet tall! Random Callsign was there. Dave Cam did an artistic, musical, non-verbal tour of the show, I probably just need to go myself. I didn't plan to upgrade from my CSL DD, but I am soooo tempted. Luckily it's only on pre-order so I can dab the brakes on a rash purchase. I wonder why there is a difference in NM between Xbox compatible and Playstation compatible?
I believe they have to pay additional licence fees for ps5 chip , so they they make that the more powerful DD and probably also sell it with wheel combo / box combo.
Where as X box support is from wheel rim and 12Nm is stand alone base that does not require licence fee costs.
I mate, thanks for your review. Do you think there will be a significant different between 12 and 15nm? If you are a PC user and wanna upgrade from csl dd 8nm what will your choise between the two versions? Thank you very much!
Unless they come out with one that has a display like the dd1/dd2 i won’t be upgrading for a long time, i use the display often to change settings on the fly without having to pause and go threw in game menus or windows absolutely love that feature.
I do wish they had more wheel options though.
And not at ridiculous prices for the upcoming good ones.
good point. that oled screen makes a difference.
Ahh fantastic :)
Before you pre order just know that fanatec are taking over 2 months to deliver peoples orders right now and have practically shut down their customer service in response
In EU. Most other regions have no issues
I ordered mine 2 months ago, was at my house 3 days later (EU) . The big problem is that they use UPS and that Fanatec doesnt give you a tracking number. So.. the package get sent away.. you have no clue... UPS will not tell you either... so the package is at UPS.. and time goes on and on... and finally, hey.. no one picked up this package, so we return it to the sender. If Fanatec started to mail out your tracking number they would have more happy customers. But I heard this late thing is more of a warehouse move?
@@AndrewTSq I've got my UPs tracking number but it hasn't left the warehouse for 3 weeks.
@@AndrewTSq I found it very confusing when my fanatec package kept going to and from the uk and Germany. Highly frustrating, however I did get a tracking number to track my package
No they aren’t taking 2 months. Ordered my qr2 stem and 2 qr2 and came in a week. Also you idiots have to pay for 2 or 3 day shipping because if you take the lowest price that delivery has no time estimate and they won’t help so learn how to shop
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Now if we could get a decent Sim Game to try this stuff. It really is the only thing holding me back from getting one.
Isn't the braking in iracing being realistic enough?
Obviously I prefer the freedom of AC1, no pay wall, and ease of use in ACC but for real world training, shouldn't iracing be enough?
DD Pro bases for Black Friday then !!
Nice
What’s up with that column extension, I want my display in the same spot
Am I right in saying the steering wheel is new?
I'm literally in bed drinking tea watching this video 😂😂😂😂
From what I have seen, most serious simracers, advise to turn off things like roadfeel etc. Because it's a fake signal/feeling coming through the base. I wonder if full force simulates this better or more realistic. I actually like it in most sims
In iRacing it will be physics driven. No canned effects. Just like LFE/buttkicker in iRacing.
@hugovranic266 Ok interesting. I have a DD2 for some time now. Curious to see how they compare
They're using some kind of extension between wheelbase and rim here too...
Yeah, never seen that extension before.
Gotta have that monster close…😵💫@@theonlyegg
Monitor.
Yes, motor shaft extension is a must.
Yes, it was shown for quite some time already and is used exclusively in their Formula Cockpits.
Its funny because people get stuck on the 20 or 25nm nunbers but dont realize just as you said it has that stiffer more eeight feel to ut. Even if only 25nm its like its aleays got center force unlike the dd1 which is why it actually feels stronger then the dd1. Also alot more detail. Irs pretty nuts tbh. The control you have over cars is awesome and makes it feel way way less underteery. See usuaply understeer you feel it get loose like the dd1 would feel that way the dd+ always somehow feels grounded like I have crazy grip compsred to other bases.
Peoppe need to realize this 15nm wheelbasw feels like a 20+ wheelbase.
2:50 lol, the reaction :D
I just ordered the gran turismo dd pro with booster back a week ago and it hasn't arrived yet. Should i return it and wait to order the new product?
This is quite a bit better than DD pro
Is that an extension for Fanatec wheels ? ? ?
My concern about these wheelbases is the mount stem looks really short and close to the base, yet in your video it looks like they have an extension on it. Any word on that?
The extension is used on the Formula Cockpits only for now (and was showed for quite some time already).
Can you change the QR2 to a QR1 as i own quite a few wheels with the QR1 and changing all of them to a QR2 Quick release will be a massive roadstop foe me considering this wheel
yes
Assuming the one you have tested the 12nm version, do you find that you need more strength like the 15nm one?
More power is always great. Avoid clipping. But the issue I have is that that 15nm, 3 more nm higher than the 12nm version is on expensive cause of that console compatibility.
As a pc gamer majority of the time, I do not wanna pay that premium.
@@T.K.9 The 15nm pricing does put it off quite a bit. It makes going to other brand like Simucube a valid option too. If someone chose to play on PS then they should pay for the privilege for a PS compatible product and not making everyone to share the cost.
It does look like the wheel being tested there has some sort of extended shaft? wasn't aware of Fanatec having such a product.
It was shown several times already, for now it will be exclsuive to their upcoming new Fomrula Cockpit.
Do you think 12 Nm is enough?
Well this looks promising. Im guessing they will have hopefully fixed the build quality issues the csl had. That's what was keeping me from buying that base.
Do you think this is going to be better or comparable alternative to simucube 2 sport?
no at all, simcube is the best for no flex, and drivers and software, ZERO ISSUE
guys, i will buy my first sim racing, could you tell me if I should buy this or the dd1 ? or any advice would be appreciated :D
I'd probably go for this wheel base personally over the DD1 , IV not had enough time to properly test it and test it with other wheel rims to really say for sure though.
What is the extension on there? People have been asking forever for one from Fanatec but anyway, ya.
The extension was shown for quite some time already, it's used exclusively on the Formula Cockpits.
I switched from DD2 to CS DD and it is much better than DD2. Better FFB effects and very fast rotations!! The podium bases are outdated. Still good, but they look old, compared to CS DD.
Will this work with ps5 and xbox if use compatible wheels?
Yes
Looks good, The only thing I don't like is the short shaft on the Fanatec. I wonder how it performs against a Simagic alpha.
It is not all about the lenght you know..
the rig at the Expo had a shaft extension, can it be a solution for you?
@@Bambeakz ah yes, a true DD girl only cares about peak NM 😉
@@vsm1456 Not sure if Fanatec have announced a shaft extension yet but I'm happy with my Simagic for a few more years, waiting on the next firmware that's supposedly a big improvement.
DD+ sounds promising
Isn't 12nm enough? According to the real world drivers, wouldn't the DD clubsport be enough?
Regarding cars and bikes, all my life i made sure to have a bit more power and not need it than to be at the limit so i do the same with simracing :)
In my limited experience of 3 years in simracing i only had 8NM peak bases so i believe that 12NM constant force would be perfectly fine for most of us but my ocd in curiosity will always be left wondering how 15NM would feel :)@@thedude4795
simucube 2 ultimate at 35Nm is laughing ;)@@thedude4795
What did DD girl think about it?
I’m a strong guy who loves strong FFB and had a DD1. I switch to the CSL DD Pro 8nM. Yes.. I downgraded… It’s amazing at 80-100%. I’m hanging on for life…. There no real need for 12 or 15nM unless your a freak for FFB.
Some people really like to fight with their wheel base... :) The 8 Nm is perfect for every average player.
I have a 20 nm base and peak nm for an usual race is like 15-17 nm. 8 nm would be a lot less than i'm used to.
Slew rate is a big deal and matters more than just the torque. I think this is why the Simucube 2 Pro is so much better than Podium DD2 despite similar torque. Think another video said the slew rate for this is 6 Nm/ms. This compares to 8 Nm/ms for Simucube 2 Pro and 5 Nm/ms for Simucube 2 Sport. But if DD2 was
think how long 1 millisecond is. There is no way you will feel the difference between a wheel that takes 1ms to reach the expected torque for a corner compared to one that takes 3ms. Slew rate on all DD wheels are fast enough and the differences don't matter, especially when you consider that most people add dampening to reduce the harshness of FFB because the base slew rate is actually too high for a good experience.
@@Monke636 According to ChatGPT:
For a sim racing steering system, a 2 Nm/ms difference in motor slew rate can be significant. This is because sim racing requires precise and rapid control of the steering input to accurately simulate real-world driving experiences. A higher slew rate means the steering system can change its speed more quickly, allowing for more responsive and realistic feedback to the user.
In this context, a 2 Nm/ms increase in slew rate could result in noticeably smoother and more accurate steering response, which can enhance the overall realism and enjoyment of the simulation for the user. Therefore, for a sim racing steering system, the difference between 6 Nm/ms and 8 Nm/ms in motor slew rate is likely to be meaningful and worth considering.
The DD2 has a higher Slewrate than the Simucube Pro when it's used with 100% FFB strength.
You can't be serious using chat gpt as an actual source
@@Monke636 It's not like an actual steering rack responds instantly either. It's probably slower than any DD motor.
The look of that wheel in your hand tells me they dialled everything right up to exaggerate the wheelbase even though it looks unnatural.
1:02 this is NOT true. The motor in the Podium DD is different tech, but not worse. It's an Outrunner motor vs the Inrunner motor used on the CS DD. Both have their advantages and disadvantages but none is "better". Also the Slewrate of the Podium DD is still (much) higher / faster when it's used with 100% FFB strength.
From the perspective of simracing it is true , the csldd and ddpro also arguably have a better motor than the podium specific for simracing as well (outside of strength)
Due to aspects of the air gap flux density and the cogging and then power delivery and electronics + firmware design and setup.
All of it is though effectively moot as the limitations are with the SIM software and the differences between the DD wheels are negligible compared to the difference you get from a games tire model + FFB implimentation.
But yes in totality the club sport DD motor produces a smother and more responsive ffb with less filter needed giving more detail than the podium.
The main thing needed to drive from though are ranges in sustained load and enough slew rate combined with rotational speed to stay 1-1 with the simulated car which as I say all DD wheels do quite well even the very first DD's
Slew rate at lower power is also probably appealing to lots of people as you get more responses without having to be the hulk 😂.
Out runner or in runner doesn't necessarily matter depends how it's all configured physically and the specific electronics , firmware settings drivers game integration.
I have every fanatec wheel at home from the CSLE onwards and have used them all for 200+ hours , I did use a cswb 2.0 for a bit and also the original Porsche wheel they did in 2000s.
i also own an Acuforce , OSW and have used just about every DD on the market.
@@GamerMuscleVideos Hello, Please swap qr1 on your podium DD to qr2. and let’s discuss again. this is not fair. qr1 and qr2 is definitely different when it comes to ffb quality
@@gyujinyang2680 The difference in QR will be utterly negligible compared to differences between driving simulators FFB and specific motor changes in a wheel base.
The rigidity of the specific wheel rim as well some fanatic wheel rims have some flex to parts of them ( formula rim with bottom cut out). Even then though it's utterly negligible relative to the components of FFB that are used to drive from.
Also, of course the Podium DD1/DD2 are dead, that is why they are now being heavily discounted. I imagine the new Podiums will look like the Clubsport DD or CSL DD but just be longer and obviously have more torque. Kind of like the old saying about BMWs: same sausage, different lengths! I would definitely not buy the old podiums right now!
Please review Thrustmaster T818
Is that a shaft extender on the wheelbase?
Yes, used exclusively on the Formula Cockpits (and shown for quite some time already).
@momorious any chance they will sell it or something similar for the new and possibly older dd units?
@@RingoFreakingStarr surely there is a Chance but they did not confirmed this yet but only said for now it's exclusive to the upcoming new Formula Cockpits.
"Vibration Force 10,000." 😂
For her pleasure.
Oh no. Another upgrade in my future.
DD+ has PlayStation support 👀
Can anyone explain slew rate?
It's how quickly the motor can change its torque level.
No expo in the states…?
No.
I’ve been sim racing for a longtime and fanatec equipment I have bought has always broken quickly. Also their customer service and warranty were terrible in my opinion.
I cannot confirm this in my case. 5 years+ with Fanatec and all fine so far
the kids laughing at vibrater 5000 :)
I wish there would be a trade-in program for us Podium DD1/2 owners.
Just sell it yourself?
U dont understand the fullforce feedback, its haptic feedback like trueforce from logitech, it replaces the vibration motors in fanatec wheels. It provides extra immersion, it can even provide fine details like engine vibration, its not a gimmick, its realistic stuff, fanatec is working with game developers of iracing, assetto corsa, gran turismo to implement it properly.
Given the track record, announced for pre-order this week so it'll be available on the market in 2.5 years
HMM we need a new DD-girl then..... maybe a midget one ?
I would be totally pissed off with Fanatec when they don´t software-pimp the DD bases. I am a gen-1 owner of the DD2 wheelbase and so far I am very satisfied with it. On the other side, I agree that their wheels suck. And btw, I am not willin to pay 1500€ for the BMW rim. For me this is still a hobby.
Already confirmed that FullForce can not be implemented for older DD Bases because of technical limitations due to special electronics needed for this new FFB protocol.
So they basically caught up with Logitech g pro with their version of true force and a decent looking quick release system 😂 I already got the Logitech and i love the quality of it, I can wait for a gt style wheel ❤
And more compact and no fans, better software and more compatible games ?
@@GodrixXx not sure what you’re implying but I’ll say this, the Logitech g pro has a pretty lengthy list of games and the tuning software is just fine for me. I only play iracing so I don’t need to have every obscure game compatible as the major ones are covered. The size of the base is taller than it is wide but that doesn’t bother me at all, guess it depends on you. The fans? It has fans lol, it’s so quiet other than the true force vibrating my table which is inherent in my desk.
@@radiospanknot implying anything, Logitech G Pro was my top 1 in the list,
The compatibility is better and wider on Fanatec in general, G Pro is still new,
I saw in some reviews that fans can be a little bit noisy,
And for the size, it doesn’t matter much for me, it will be fixed on base, but thats impressive compared to Logitech one,
Seeing the price of the Logitech, and the one for ClubSport DD, makes you consider the latter choice, but if you already equipped with either ones, there isn’t much here to upgrade,
This without taking in consideration ecosystem
WOW! Another base that you CAN'T buy! Thx Fanatec!
But... You CAN buy it?!🤔
Seems like Logitech have forced Fanatecs hand …
Fixing quick release, Logitech have an awesome quick release.
Extra vibrations, Logitechs Trueforce I love it!
Now Logitech need to respond, currently they have no real ecosystem for their dd wheel (rims, handbrakes and shifters etc)!
Don't forget about moza, the few rims they have are sick, specially the formula ones, and their quick release is one of the best out there. They also just anounced their 12 nm base and have already a 16 nm one so they also compete in these ranges.
The lovely thing is that there are so much brands that are doing really good and keep pushing each other, which benefits us the customers the most.
I have the Logi. Quality piece of kit. Trueforce aside, the single rim is great quality, and the QR is sublime.
And of course Logi will respond, with new wheels, and maybe a price drop.
I have the DD Pro as well - separate rig. The QR is junk. When delivered, the throttle pedal wasn't working. Took weeks to get a replacement.
Fanatec supply, quality, and 'support' is an absolute disgrace.
Fanatec is working years on this new QR so i don't think so
@@Bambeakz that’s the problem why has it take years to fix a product quality issue, whilst making other more marketable stuff to make money 🤷🏽♂️ then charging existing customers silly amounts for qr2 adapters. Anyway competition in this space is good, will eventually benefit customers.
LOL Geek Fest.
Funny how fanatec have time for this but no time to reply to people's emails or send out orders
As much as a love Fanatec and will only own Fanatec for the rest of my sim racing life. I hate them. I buy the csw and then six months later they introduce the csl dd. I finally break down and buy he csl dd and six month later the introduce the csw dd fml😢
is that yet ANOTHER QR? LOL I'm done
I'll never understand the obsession with anything over 10nm.
cause you are a noob.
900€ VRS Wheelbase = 20Nm and rock solid quality, available immediately
I know its going to be a great wheel but dont give us the bullshit that the peak force is higher then the Podium series.
It isnt.
So its a DD pro wich is thicker and uses more power, made to compete with moza, and to sell the new overly expensive quick release. Well at least it means ill see second hand CSL and DD pro on the market from the people who always wants the last thing, since fanatec doesnt ship ot my country.
If you order just get ready to wait for months...
So no one is bothered with the fact that Fanatec left all of us qr1 users in the dark?
???? 🤔
They didn't though. You can buy the QR1 Type-F shaft once available to make the CS DD fully compatible with QR1.
Great review, a little too serious tho. Try and put some comedy in it next time. This was just cut and dry info.
Lol I was wrecked recording this , I get really bad fatigue at events like this, its a mircle vaguely coherent words came out of my mouth forget comedy.
I just wish they told us how many levels of force can they give you? If you have a 20Nm wheel, and you can either have 0Nm or 20Nm of force that would not be a good wheel. But if you have 4096 levels of force then you have force in steps of 0,005Nm. I went from Logitech FF GT to CSL DD, and I must say I prefer the FF GT in Dirt Rally :D The forcefeedback is too smooth in Dirt rally, so it feels very unatural, while the FF GT gives you rattles like you would feel in the car going on gravel.
"You want one for console? That'll be the more expensive model, sorry." - Fanatec
How convenient...
Consoles force licencing fees for compatibility chip , ps5 supporting one is 15Nm larger PSU
@@GamerMuscleVideos I just wish for the pc version there was a 15 nm option that didn’t make you buy the pc and console version that makes it even more expensive. Something between the two that didn’t cost 300 more. Maybe 150 more or something like that?
You can buy the 12 Nm if you have an XBox (you just need a compatible wheel - and they have quite a few, at their normal prices). For PS compatibility though, they must pay Sony hefty licensing fees (I guess much higher than Microsoft's). And then they have to differentiate the new Clubsport from the CSL DD Pro (more expensive than the PC-only versions as well). So I can understand why they went with the Clubsport DD+ for PS compatibility. That being said, I think the reasonable price should have been 900 euros.
Hilarious, so many videos of new stuff and the company can’t even get their act together shipping and delivering current stock …. 🤦🏻
You know what? I never liked my stable economy anyway.
For me their absolute crap selection of genuinely good wheels in a good price bracket also removed me from their ecosystem. That and all the bugs and issues.
Too bad they take 6 months to deliver product, just got my refund after 6 weeks of crickets.
Still has those awful oscillations 😭
When you set it up properly it does not has oscillations :)
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Lmdao
Are Fanatec even in business ?
Never got shit in stock.
After sales is - allegedly - abysmal.
Why Cator to PlayStation they have ZERO sims.. the Sims they do support our massively inferior to their PC counterparts
Don't underestimate the numbers of Gran Turismo players who will buy this. Fanatec haven't.
Because GT7 players will splash the extra cash. I'll wait for it even though I'm on PC with a CSL DD just so I can hook up my PS5 to the rig without any adapters.
@@Rave-agentconsole is nothing but people wrecking you cause they cant beat you and there is nothing u can do atleast iracing you have penalties for crimes committed
ACC, Assetto corsa??
GT7 is a bigger player base than PC
Fanatec meh. They lost me years ago.
What about any new pedals? Nothin in this department? They did like few new DD wheel base and only one update to the pedals and that only in mid level
so much for Big DD being future proof 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have little dd, 8nm boost, and am not changing it, ok, STOP ?TRYING TO SELL ME SOMETHING OK 👌🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, I'm the same but it's interesting to see what else is out there.
@@mrwhatever9025 He gives stuff a good review without dragging it on n on n on, like many others, in a couple years time they will probably have another if not before hand... If i was wanting, i probably would for the price of for PC only...
Technical question, I have the v1 universal hub , will it be possible to downgrade to qr1 if I was using the new 12Nm dd ? Or will I have to purchase the v2 universal hub, which will be more expensive, thank you
@@keithpyne8316 i honestly not the one to even attempt to answer that question, sorry...