NEW Generation of FFB! Fanatec ClubSport DD Review
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7:01 In-Game Performance
12:17 Comparison
13:29 Conclusion
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I gave you a ration of poo the other video, I'm sorry if I offended in anyway. You're a good guy and I just wanted to f with ya, please know it's all in good fun and nothing serious.
I'm stoned and it's Xmas eve...and I'm gonna ramble...I'm sorry man.
I bought the CSL DD Pro bundle and it's mounted to a trak racer T 80/hybrid pedal mount gt/f1 positions.
It is amazing coming from a T-300 and T LCM pedals on a wheel stand.
But now almost 1 year later with the CSL DD Pro 8nm I know eventually I will be getting a DD1 or DD2 because 20nm or 25 nm is better than 12 nm that cost a $800+100 for new QR 2 quick connect and now I have 1 wheel put of 4 I can use from Fanatec eco system.
GTF our of here Fanatec.
How would you compare it to the DD1? Better, Equal or worse?
Now if only Fanatec could actually ship the things people have paid for!
..Or even respond to emails about returns!
@@codethirtyfour 14+ days waiting time lol
@@sonyx5332 month waiting!
@@sonyx5332 no reply to my email send 22 days ago
@@sonyx5332 scummy company
The quality of these videos and the amount you're putting out is actually insane.
I don’t know what sleep is anymore
I ordered the dd pro on a Monday and received it the same Friday. Coming from a g29 this was the greatest decision I made in 2023. I used to not be a fan of AC or ACC but I get it now 😂
Your video skills and editing quality is top notch! Keep it up man you are something else!
Thanks a lot! Happy holidays :)
Brilliant video, bravo!
I’m really glad I ordered when it was still $699. It seems like price is one of the big factors when comparing it to the competition so saving that $100 makes it just a little more worth it. Plus already being locked in to the ecosystem kind of limits the choices.
Definitely a great deal at $699!
ok deal at 699$ crap deal at 799$
I hope Fanatec will sit on their stock.
I'm really frustrated that I didn't. :(
I'm also really *angry* about this: I did not see any information from Fanatec that the 699 price was temporary, so I waited with my purchase to see if the QR2 availability would improve and if they would be selling wheels with the QR2.
Raising the price from nowhere was really a dick move :(
At 699 it is priced decently. At 799 it becomes harder to justify compared to the competition.
Well well, as (metal) QR2 stock seems to be completely dried out until atleast february, I guess I can wait some more and see what happens... :(
@@rogerwennstrom6677 if it was at its current price of $799 I would probably jump to simcube. Since nothing of mine is close to shipping yet due to qr2 shortages I might still cancel and sell my current gear and make the jump.
I bought the CSL DD Pro and went with Fanatec for the quality and the eco system.
It's not right to squeeze your faith customers like thay doing.
So Sick!!! Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!
Man these reviews are getting good Oscar. I'd buy it, all the best in 24☃️🙋🇨🇦
Thanks Ed! And thanks for your support this year!
Dude ...that fart sound on a full force not being implemented just make me drop the phone I laf so much on that , didnt see it comming . Absolute banger !
hahahaha😂
I am coming from series x and csl dd and moved on to a pc and the cs dd a couple of weeks ago and Iam blown away by Simracing on a pc. Ams2, lfm asetto corsa, I am having a blast and the cs dd is freaking awesome! I got it for 700 euros. The new qr2 is a huge step up to the Qr1. I am totally satisfied wit the dd. Cheers and prost, greets from Germany.
There is a lot of different between CSL DD and CS DD?
Also what's the different I'm going to see on CSL DD if I upgrade to QR2 from the stock one?
@@Rezamajedi Honestly, i wouldn't upgrade if you have the 8nm right now, wait for a year then you get the new base probably 100€ cheaper.
Right now you only can buy the Qr2 light, the rest isn't available until february.
@@Rezamajedithe QR2 connection is more rigid, so it won't flex or creak as much when the wheel is being turned with the QR1. Another thing the QR2 helps with is showcasing slightly better force feedback detail compared to the QR1.
Nice review ! Good job ! Looking forward for more in game content !! I would love to watch some rally plzzz WRC / DR2 !!!
Moving forward, it seems the race for the best wheelbase at a price point has gone to prioritizing higher slew rate over higher nm
the way you review things makes me want to buy it.
Haha, my apologies to your wallet 😭
Well done video and nice compare.. lot of work u put in there
Thanks! Glad you recognize it 😅
Man what a video! Couldn’t care less about the wheel base but man, what a video! ❤
Thx for the review. Still waiting for my DD+. Pre-order changed from 12/12 to 12/27. We will see what this week brings.
...well..??
@@SteveZ919 well what?
@@chrisreynolds6152 get the wheel? How is it?
@@SteveZ919 nobody has got it yet except for a few youtubers to test... they delayed it again.
@chrisreynolds6152 great, will stay clear of them for my first wheel. Lots of bad talk about the company and lack of communication etc.
Hopefully my DD+ will ship to warehouse in a few days 🤞
Amazing review mate.
Thank you!!
Can you do a full comparison video with Alpha mini since it’s the main direct competitor and next best selling at the level
Thanks for the review! Do you think it is a big step up from the gt dd pro 8 nm? Merry Christmas!
I would say so, from a performance standpoint yes
I love to see when finally Fanatec has competition, finally more products, better price, better quality
Moza has entered the chat
It does not use sound for "full force", it was a workaround for demonstration purposes
All of the other bases compared in this video rate their base output via constant torque. It was Fanatec to had the habit of over rating their bases by quoting peak rather than constant. The alpha mini peaks at 13nm for example but is rated at 10 because holding/constant torque is the industry standard for rating output.
What does the OC in OC Racing stand for? I don't see it clarified anywhere.
merry christmas oc
@OCRacing Is it a big upgrade from the CSL DD?
i love my csl dd 8nm it feels insane coming from a g920. No matter what anyone says, my dd has had no issues , still rocking the QR1 Lite with no issues. do plan on upgrading to QR2 and a new wheel but for now it’s best fit for me,
Same here
I have never had a force feedback wheel so i cant wait to get my wheel
8nm is plenty and if I have to replace mine I'll be sticking to the 8nm csl dd
@@mrwhatever9025agree
@@mrwhatever9025 i have 8nm and run 100% in drivers, 50% in assetto and then on some cars lower ingame to 75%. So 8nm is plenty.
Hey, thanks for the review!! Did you weight the base it self without the power supply? Is it 12,6 kilogram? I did see an other reviewer saying 8,6 kilogram?
The number I gave came directly from Fanatec, I am not sure if that’s only of the base unfortunately. Regardless, it is still a heavy unit
I just got my CS DD delivered Thursday and I can definitely say it's a heavy beast at 30lbs
good video i just order mine i hope its nice atm i have gt dd pro 8nm.....so that true force not work yet but it maybe start working later from maybe some firmware update
How would you compare the feeling of this to moza r12? Moza is much cheaper so it is quite tempting
mentioned in the video, a little less road details than other 3, but they all more or less still in the same level.
i have the DD i like it very much.
Got this pre-ordered!! Can't wait. I'm deployed overseas rn so hopefully it'll be there when I get back.
Can you review the hori shifter
The latest Fanatec FullForce API has been enabled on Iracing this upcoming season!!! Took less than a year to release it. Still not sure how it's going to work or what it does exactly. Great review by the way. Here's an upvote
Its not true that when using QR1 (metal) that torque will be limited to 8Nm, it's just about the plastic ones. The base doesn't know if you use QR1 or QR2, it just knows if you use plastic or metal
Wish it had a emergency stop button.
14:27 Please add the T818 to the comparision too. Merry Christmas!
Will do 👍
The question is how long before the product is actually shipped out ?
I sold all my moza stuff (r9 v2, gs gt v2 wheel,srp pedals ) lost faith in their products and could not enjoy racing and i did not enjoy the experience . Purchased the asetek la prima bundle , with the brake polymer kit and the la prima to forte accelarator upgrade kit and love it so far, pedals are great ,wheel feels good and the ffb is great , the base weighs gotta be twice as heavy nearly than the r9 , i found the software much better to use than moza pithouse aswell .
My girlfriend order me one for christmas! Im so excited! I have the csw 2.5 for now!
W girl friend, tell me how it’s down bro 😭
@@OCRacing i received yesterday! And its insane! Precision and feedback are real!!👌🔥
I want to upgrade my Fanatec Porsche wheel and. as I already have Fanatec V2 pedals, I was looking at this wheelbase to buy, as my Fanatec stuff has been trouble free for many years.
But I am totally not going to send them money over the net, I can go into a shop and pick up Moza, Simagic and Asetek gear, so even though I have some loyalty to Fanatec, I am going with one of the brands that have a physical place I can go, for ease of mind.
I read recently that, when Fanatec were asked about going to a retail system, they said no, it would make their products too expensive.
I can imagine that a whole lot of other people will feel the same way as I do, so unfortunately, I think it's gonna be a rocky road ahead for them, the competition is just too good and it's a less stressful purchasing/returning process. lol.
If only shipping times didn’t take a million years.. Good vid oc!
Also merry Christmas!🎄
Yeah, I keep hearing complaints about that unfortunately. Merry Christmas =)
still waiting for my black friday order probably because the qr2 is out of stock :(
Likewise. No comms of course.
@@Niodium wym?
For ppl in the USA the Asetek TK version from Micro Center is the best option by far. The Formula TK wheel is basically a Asetek forte wheel and the TK base is a forte base with same PCV board and everything with a la prima power supply for $500 usd.
Fanatec engineering, innovation and build quality: Yes, absolutely! Many are looking forward to this new CS wheelbase. However, should there be an after-purchase problem, buyers need to know that once Fanatec's got your money, they really don't give half a crap about customer service, as evidenced by the very large and increasing number of SR enthusiasts who have and are experiencing the Fanatec customer "service" nightmare.
Soon to be fanatic cockpits?
Can they just release a new CSL DD that’s like fixes all the issues but still only 5 to 7ish Nm and still the same price? That would be great
i couldnt wait any longer and cancelled, ordered the simagic alpha instead. hope i made the right decision
You’ll love it. I’ve had mine for a few months and zero complaints. I initially had a moza r5 and it feels like a toy compared to the alpha.
@@bamm6181 music to my ears
I warned everyone about this and nobody listened lol. There is no date of when full force will be available, if ever. And for most people there's no indication of when you'll even get the wheelbase. Always keep in mind, Fanatec loves to send out gear to influencers, but they're not as eager to ship them out to paying customers.
How does the new FFB compare to True Force?
There wasn’t a mention of the Logi G Pro.
He doesn't have the G Pro.
I kinda figured this would be reviewed just a tad more negatively lol. I will say this though. I am very confused as to why they bumped up the cost by $100. I was one of the lucky ones that bought it at $700. I don't think I could have justified the $800 pricetag.
It's a shame that no one tells you the outside dimensions of the base. It would be nice to know if it fits the rig.
So, the different between the 8nm DD Pro vs the Clubsport DD is good enough, not looking at the price? Will you be keeping it?
Not looking at price, I would say yes, especially with full force set to release in the near future
@@OCRacing Great! As you know I am waiting for the DD+ for Ps compatibility, not for 15nm as I expect that to be to much, but I can dial it down. Just a stupid question, you can dial it down and see the output torque on your computer?
@@giogamer4825yup, you can easily dial it down both on PC and console 👍
holi 83k subs that went fast a remember 7k subs
I really like those fingerless gloves! Where could I get a pair!
Amazon
I have G Pro 11nm and 60% in rFactor 2 is the absolute maximum I can handle comfortably, usually I set to 50% as a moderately fit 90kg guy, so keep that in mind whoever wants to buy a DD. I bet 5nm is just fine and 8nm is more than enough for non-pros.
Dd+ is the best wheel base ive ever felt. Ive used 20nm simagic, dd1, moza, semicube and so on. This is the absolute best wheel base ove ever used. The 12nm dd doesnt give you the same tire/track feel. The 15nm does! Its like going from the 5nm to 8nm dd pro. So yeah and tbh i wont use full force. It would be to much detail it may mute other feelings this is on the edge of to much already just gotta adapt then you realize how perfect it is. Im not wiating for full force ill leave my bade as is no uldates fpr probably a year. When something is good i dont mess with it. People always want somrthing different and the grass isnt always greener on the other side. Drowned out the noise order now if you are in the US as it was in stock and showed up to me within 48hrs this past weel paying fot overnight shipping. It seems the texas logistics is fully up and runninf this week. The dd and dd+ are on azetek level of ffb and maybe even more.
I feel like they should just build the eco system around a DIY market like PC building. Upgradeable/customizable cooling shell, motors, yokes/connectors, circuit boards for usb/connector upgrades, chip upgrades, etc.
Haven’t heard this one before! Definitely an interesting take 🤣
while they could, most people wouldn't be interested in this. the same way most people don't build their own computers. It would also make customer support and software support/compatability a mess.
most importantly it would weaken Fanatec's brand, as at that point they would be mostly selling the compoennts of other companies. Their brand and profit comes from adding value by assembling all those components into a finished functional product.
This is profitable because of the fact that people don't want to build something like this themselves, and because by buying all these components in bulk quantities they are able to produce the finished product for quite a bit less money than it would cost you if you tried to do the whole thing by yourself(and that's before factoring in the cost of the time spent for you do build it)
at best this could be something they could offer as a secondary product line if they really wanted. but even then, they would likely charge just as much, if not more, for the kit to build it yourself. It also assumes that their current models could be built by hand by people with little to no experience making something like this. Which it likely couldn't, unless it had already been mostly assembled which defeats the purpose.
they could make a modular version of their wheelbase, but that would add a bunch of extra cost to the design and final wheelbase, just so that a very small portion of their customers could mix various components (which would also likely require a redesign of all those components so that they could actually work as modular elements). it would likely also increase the size of the wheelbase significantly due to having to accommodate the various different potential parts. It couldn't be packaged as efficiently as something assembled by machines in a factory, instead of having to accommodate being built by the avg consumer with basic tools.
*TL;DR:*
interesting concept and it would be cool to have. But it would make basically no business sense for Fanatec to offer this, as it would make their offerings more expensive, reduce their potential profit margin, weaken their brand, complicate their product design, make their supply chain far less efficient, and all for a product line that the vast majority of consumers wouldn't actually want. While for the same price you could get a better wheelbase fully assembled.
@@e2rqey damn, that it one heck of a reply lol. Great points made and putting it into perspective from a branding standpoint, it does make a lot more sense. I guess this is also why gaming consoles didn’t go this route either, but wow… one can only dream of such market. Thanks for the education mate.
@@jackadams8299 no problem! 👍
Did I miss the discount code for the DD extreme?
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@@OCRacing response time is just as savage as I’d expect. Thanks for the help with all this data and gear, it’s a lot to soak up.
Fanatec is making their ecosystem WAY too complicated. expensive QR2, QR2 Lite & QR1 with 8nm limit, ++ for PS compability, deceiving price tag, while the competitors are simple and straightforward in their lineup. The premium price is just not worth it for many, right now. I'd avoid going into Fanatec entirely if you're not living in a country where Fanatec is officially selling.
I would agree. Even I get confused sometimes and have to double and triple check when making my reviews on their products
Playstation compatibility is also expensive for fanatec. They need to pay Sony for making bases for their consoles
Is it limited to 8nm on ps5
No way!!! So i ordered it for no reason @@Max__apex
@@Max__apexno
you forgot to mention that most other brands dont work on gt7, thats why the dd+ is so expensive.
How about not being able to use the DD+ because the firmware keeps saying waiting for USB connection and will not update. And now to ship it back I have to pay $100. Looks like Fanatec just might be on their way out. I have only used Fanatec but that is now going to change.
All i did was change the mode, wait for the program to show something else, then changed it back to pc mode, and it said remove the wheel for it to update the QR2. After that you can put the wheel back on to update it and/or calibrate it
this guy can rlly cook
On premiere pro, maybe. In real life, definitely not 🤣
Am begging for a pxn v99 review or pxn Dd wheel review there basically no reviews other then pxn official review which is so bad please
There's too much of a cash grab in how they are structuring this whole ecosystem for a company that can't even get it's customers their orders. Let's focus on not having our products breaking or at least getting replacements to people. Hell responding to their emails would be nice. I appreciate they will make moza step up their software but I'm happy where I'm at. 😊
your intonation is more consistent than your lap times
Thanks
@@OCRacing np. maybe use AI for voiceover if you become interested in variation
The Alpha mini is measured at 13.5nm holding torque ….. does it feel as strong as the Alpha mini torque wise ??
Alpha mini is 10nm MAX torque, Clubsport DD is way better
@@LadrimSlump
No it isn’t …..
Clearly u know very little.
Simagic has 13nm and you are a fan boy since this is not even out yet your passing judgement 😂
@@Max__apex no
@@LadrimSlump
You know nothing. Be quite. My channel is full of review so stop lying with ur opinions
@@Max__apex 😘
ONLY 98k subs. We NEED to fix that
Still waiting!
Hold on hold on. Even the metal CS qr1 will limit to 8nm??? Not just the qr1 lite?
No, that was my mistake in wording. Only the QR1 Lite and QR2 Lite will limit it
@@OCRacing thank you!!!! I was planning on getting the CS DD+ eventually and downgrading to qr1 as I already have metal qr1 for all my wheels and I am happy with it (I don't notice any noticeable flex that other ppl say is severe for them) I guess I got lucky with my QR1s tolerances
They say it's faster becoming a real race driver than getting something from FANATEC actually delivered to you.
Yeaaaa but the moza r16 v1 is now on sale for 699 euro in a few places in EU... and the new r16 is like 60 more than Clubsport.
How much better is the Clubsport DD than the CSL DD when we talk pure FFB fidelity ?
Hold on a sec: you say in the Video, that if you „downgrade“ The CS DD to the original QR1 (via Type-F) you are limited to 8Nm Max torque in general?! Is that validated? I haven‘t heard this anywhere else and this is a HUGE Point! Please confirm or let me know if I just got it wrong.
My mistake. In this, Steering Wheels fitted with QR1 Lite Wheel-Side or QR2 Lite Wheel-Side will be limited to 8 Nm torque. You should still be able to access the higher forces with the QR1, just not the QR1 Lite.
@@OCRacingPhew, thanks mate! 😅 That would have been a (-nother) sh*tstorm for Fanatec. Great Review btw, visually you are the Benchmark for any SimRacing TH-camr out there. 👍
i get a desk clamp over rig right now because space, not everyone rents or own a whole house. I myself only rent a medium size room, there is no space for a rig.
They don't send stuff out though i bought a button box and I haven't gotten in in 3 months, and thier customer service is awful.
Please compare to CSL DD.
Will do 👍
If I get a chance to select the brand again despite my $2,000+ Fanatec gears, I will choose Simagic tbh.
Just curious as to why you would switch?
Actually there is not a huge difference between brands for DD feedback performance. While all other brands keep publishing new products, Fanatec is far behind. The pedals, shifters, wheels, are still based on the product line 5+ years ago, I don't see any innovation Fanatec is trying to make but only want to keep them always at a high price. What's more, the terrible customer service and shippment experience in recent years also force their users to leave. @@stalliondan1
This aged well. They've taken the money and ran lol.
Small mistake you made in the review. If you use qr1 LITE the ff will be limited to 8nm. The metal qr1 doesn't suffer from that. Also to mention, there are people with many wheels that are not qr2 upgradable and still want to use them. For them is the downgrade made.
Turn the narration volume up and the terrible music/sound effects way down.
Now they just have to improve their customer service side of things
My just arrived yesterday and its making a coil-whine noise....
Honestly I’ll probably get the DD+ at some point. I have the 8nm dd now. After hearing multiple people talk about the extra road detail and how you can feel the wheels much clearer I just need that. Lol I’m fucked yo that way. Definitely over priced tho
I think the competition has brought Fanatec to its knees. I dont think they will last the year..
Coil whine is really bas with mine out of the box.
mines bricked after a few months so it's a great wheel it only it worked...
Was it gifted to you by fanatic mate ? Seems like they are more concerned & main priority is sending out items to TH-camrs instead of looking after paying customers. The whole black Friday sales was a scandal, 3 weeks after purchasing a wheel for my son x mas present they tell me they don’t have it & over sold it have to wait until end of March , i canceled it a week ago still haven’t got my money back
Its not only the BF-Sales. I have ordered "only" the shifter at 2.11 and it was stock. I still have no shifter received. Fanatec is really bad at giving correct informations to their customers. Anyway....Merry Christmas to All!
The Fanatec marketing team sent me this for review, yes. I’d imagine the shipping and logistics department is a whole different situation and with the immense sales they generated from Black Friday, I can only imagine the load they’re under. Sucks to hear that you didn’t get your order fulfilled on time, I know they’re currently restructuring their distribution network but nothing I as a TH-camr can do anything about
they cant even ship out just a shifter in a reusable time. ordered on the 27th and im gonna get it on the 28th this mouth. fun thing is that the mouth it took to get is one les mouth for my warranty.
The items that companies send out for reviews are usually late stage prototype or pre-production units never meant for retail sale. In other words, the units they send to people for review aren’t units that could have been sent customers.
@@TheRivalryDriftingI ordered the shifter and CSL Elite pedals V2 on 11/20 and received it a week later. And then PREORDERED the CS DD on 11/22 and had it delivered just a few days ago. If you're still waiting "just" for a shifter, you definitely ordered something else that is probably out of stock until January or February or you're just another Fanatec hate boy lol.
Very good video as usual.
I feel like Fanatec is starting to do the wrong thing towards its customer base. As mentioned in previous comments, it appears they are doing everything to get customers (new and existing), to shell out a substantial amount of money for products that are just like the competition (they’re actually playing catch-up). Full force is a marketing term, and the worst about it is that they’re putting the responsibility of implementation on the game developers, and that’s not the way to go. Who knows how many will agree to invest in time and maybe money to implement it to cater to only one part of their customer base?
And considering the logistics issues Fanatec are facing for the past few months, it’s an incredibly bold move to release these products whilst not being able to properly deliver to customers in a timely manner.😮. And imagine if you receive your product and it’s defective and needs to be sent back, then you’re in for a wild ride in the current state of affairs.
I canceled my order last week. This company has lost my personal data twice to hackers, never delivered on time and now this. I have been a customer for over 14 years and now I say rest in pieces Fanatec. My ecosystem now gets to Ebay. I switch to VRS and some other gear developer.
IMO there's too much music in your videos and the volume is way too high.
The lack of additional distriubutuers is a nightmare, EU/UK customer? Expect to pay 30% on top of displayed prices 😮💨
Been stung 3 times in 2 years 🙄
So in resume, if you are rich and are patient, there's no negative.
Hmm Fanatec seems too expensive at the moment especially with the QR2 transition. You should wait maybe another year if you want some Fanatec products without selling your kidney.
Or just buy a moza
Informative video, but if you chose X box, Fanatec is the ONLY worthwhile option.
Waiting for Fanatec to fill it’s Black Friday orders has been excruciating.
But here I sit.
why is fanatec delaying the release of clubsport dd+? im getting frustrated with fanatec for not getting the much needed approval form sony.. they should have done it earlier before they drop the item to the mass market.. 😢😢😢
You can buy it but you will never get it delivered. I've been waiting for a shifter for more than a month. Good luck
I had my CS DD delivered a few days ago and my shifter delivered 3 weeks ago 🤷
It's more expensive because it's more powerful. 12nm and 15nm sustained, not peak like the others.
Alpha mini is 13.2nm sustained..
check Dan Suzuki review
@@Max__apex I guess we need to line them all up and torque test them with the same testing method. I don't know why all the manufacturers cant agree on a standardised torque testing method.
The music is far louder than your voice in this video. You might be well-advised to mix that with better balance before uploading next time.
is qr2 actually any better than qr1?
Yes
Yes
It is a big upgrade, especially for higher torque wheels such as this one.
Fanatec still ain't ship my order from Black Friday
Ordered mine on Nov 26 and got my rim and qr2 lite last week my friend. I'm in Michigan.
I highly warn to order from Fanatec! You will most likely wait at least months (not month, MONTHS) for getting your order and when you have problems they will leave you in the cold.