Spot on, Random. I've set my rig up in front of my 65 OLED in my living room, and have done for 5 years. I can push the rig aside and watch thr TV if I want. The immersion of a big screen is as good as you say Yeah, I have a VR2 as well, and love it. I swap between the two. Great video.
I've tried everything. Started with a single monitor, went to a ultrawide for a few months, used triple 32s for a year, tried triple 55s at a friends house (who clearly isn't good with his money lol) and then i tried VR... Man i just can't go back, everything else just feels like a game to me, no different than sitting in front of the PS1 playing Gran Turismo 1. With VR i actually FEEL like i'm sitting in and driving a car, maybe its a mental thing of having the whole real world blocked out rather than the technology just being better idk but it's the pinicicle of sim racing in my opinion.
@@PITAH1 Vr is another level :D i have quest 3 and a 7800x3D n 6900xt asus liquid!. Its a very diferent experience... Love it... Wish all good for you guys 🤙 and Good Races :)
Yup, I personally second that. The impact VR has once you've loaded a race up and are sat in the car is immense and that sense of presense completely doesn't happen on flatscreen. When starting a race on my TV I'm just sat there waiting for the green lights, but doing so in VR I almost miss the lights as I'm looking around in awe that I'm at a racetrack in a race car about to race! I still do that several months after getting my Reverb G2, I'm blown away every time still. I can and do go back to flatscreen (for GT7 on PS5 as no PSVR2 yet) and that's ok, I can have some fun, but it's very underwhelming in comparison.
Vr is just not there yet. The resolution and heavy Headsets as well as VR sickness is just too much for majority of people. Maybe if it was like a pair of glasses. Big Screen Beyond looks promising but still. Triples is the way to go. I'm on an ultrawide but if i could go triples I would.
Honestly, I much prefer glossy coatings. Makes colour way better and if something is shining at it, it is only the object itself, which you can focus out of. For matt screens I am yet to see good color, on top of that any small light shining on it? Boom half of your screen is gone basically, just because it attempts to diffuse it, rather poorly. Even on high end screens. Give me a shiny glossy screen any day over a Matt one!
VR is the way to go. Its always best to take out the middle man. The middle man in this case is reality. Remove that chunk of reality between your eyes and the monitor and it becomes blissful
Just one month ago i change from my 32" LG monitor to a 48" TV, and even tough the image quality and refresh rate is much lower, for me is much better because that sense of scale that you mention. My braking references are much easy to catch now that my vision can´t scape the edge of the screen. Cheers.
Thank you. This makes me feel a lot better. I truly appreciate the wisdom behind your opinions. I'm old, and I've been at this for 2 and a half decades. At my age, I definitely don't want the hassle of moving to pc, despite the fact that I dream of triple monitors. Single player on Console seldom requires me looking any farther than a foot from the center of the screen. I recently upgraded to ps5, and followed it with a larger, game-ready Samsung. You've made me feel a lot better about sticking with what I've got.
GT7 in PSVR2 was my one-way ticket to simracing in VR. I thought I'd stop there, but I've moved onto PC simracing on Quest 2 then Quest 3 playing ACC (VR is meh to be kind), AC (VR wow!), and AMS2 (VR best!). Also VR is compact, so i can tuck the rig just about anywhere in the house
I have a 55” Samsung OLED, but can’t seem to get ACC to produce a true 1440p (it’s clearly lower quality), so I just run it at 4k. I’d love to get the extra fps, but there’s something glitchy about how that game interacts with my TV. Have you experienced this at all?
@@GeorgeFoulerRacing Samsung TV has a game mode tech that I turn off bc it tries to override pc settings and game settings. Otherwise I’m only using the DLSS in game. Running a 4070 and Ryzen 5950x.
@@ChubbyCelloCar50 dlss upscales a low res image, so that might be the issue. I use VRR and Gsync, which is great as the tv adjust to your refresh rate from the GPU.
@@GeorgeFoulerRacing I’m definitely having software settings problem/s; I’ll often get a different active signal input than the resolution setting, or the TV Game Mode turns itself on, despite manually shutting off. There’s a number of things going on, too complicated to drill down on here, but I’ve been all over the Samsung forums and it sounds like lots of folks basically trick (glitch) the software into working via “wrong” cable/port pairings (using eArc port for video) or 8K cable for correct 2k scaling, or other odd solutions. Frustrating, bc it’s a top of the line TV, built with gaming bells and whistles, but clearly they weren’t considering PC GPUs, bc the Samsung operating system really clunks with PC pairing…
Tried every option and I'm also for big TV screen. Triples were fine but without those G9s or 3 TVs (which I can't afford) I think that the picture infront of you is too small . VR made me sick, and while it was great experience I couldn't go for more than 15 minutes. Now I have 49'' Bravia in front of my rig and it feels so immersive. In ACC I have around 50 FOV (depends on a car) and in iRacing i'm around 80 and it really feels like I'm in a car, and visibility and sense of speed are great. Best buck for the money for me if VR makes you sick.
Former game dev (sim racing games actually) here getting back into gaming, I upgraded with a 55" LG C3 oled for my XBX some months ago - total game changer both for ACC, but also gaming in general. Actually i upgraded after watching your first video about getting a big TV for sim racing, so thanks for that 👍
Well, former game dev, and as a until recently very casual gamer for the last 10 years, the Xbox suits me just fine. Might get a new gaming PC for AC Evo tho. I was at SimBin, so GT Legends, GTR2, Race and Race 07.
@@ty194 ...sweaty . I tried anyway in a sim centre and got nausea in 5 minutes and felt sick for the rest ofthe day. I guess some people are affected more than others
I have quest 3 and it's great, but I still prefer triples for comfort plus I can clearly see cars on the sides without moving my head much plus I can see all my buttons plus I can drink coffee:)
Same opinion about VR...sadly. It is very immersive and impressive and should be the best of all ! But I just can't deal with the eyes fatigue, the sweatiness, all the performances issues when you sont have a 3k€ rig... At the end playing on my shitty 27" 1080p monitor, well, sucks, but it is smooth, very easy to get into and I can drive for 2 hours without feeling my eyes burning. Would love VR to work better for me through
I agree with the VR. I am taking a break from racing because my eyes just seem really fatigued. It was great at first but long term isnt ideal. I just dont look forward to putting my headset back on right now.
Even the 32:9 57" G9 would destroy the sense of scale, it's just too small in terms of vertical fov. The only good choice for me coming from a single 55" Oled would be triple 42" at a minimum and that comes with big drawbacks. Your VR comments are spot on. After an hour wearing it, I'm pretty much done, even with the best head strap with an integrated cooling fan.
im on triple 43's and can think of no drawback, 90 degree offset my full perpherial vision is taken up by inside the car i can look left and right to look out the side windows etc.
Great video, really helps provide context for me. I've really been considering moving away from VR and getting a standalone stand and TV for my sim setup. I love the depth perception and freedom to look around in VR, but for me the setup is a pain, and it seems like unless I'm doing it every day, I have to spend a bunch of time updating my headset, and the headsets are just not comfortable for long periods of time. As a result, I end up not playing my simracing games much at all, since my racing rig doesn't have a monitor/TV. The issue preventing me from doing this is space. If I had a bit more space, I think I would build an aluminum frame with a seat and a dedicated TV/Monitor so there is no setup. Just jump in and play. Plus I can always keep the VR around if I want that experience.
Thanks for the tips RC! I just build my first proper rig after 11 years on a wheelstand, and went for an LG C3 OLED 48 inch. Most expensive TV I ever bought but it has fantastic specs for gaming so I'll join the big screen club too. I do like VR though and have a Quest 2 so best of both worlds soon.
I just bought a new Hisense U8K with 4K 120Hz, earlier this year i bought an RTX 4070 Ti Super... And now i clearly know that my system's weakest link is my poor i7-8700 CPU... :D
You made this video at the perfect time! I just watched your video from two months ago because I’m considering switching from my 34” wide screen to a tv and seeing this video is convincing me even more this is the right way to go. I think I’ll get the TCL Q7. Not sure if 55” or 65” yet. Thank you for the video!
Thanks for the video and your information on Displays. Although I do mainly SIM racing games in VR with a Quest 3, I also have a nice 50 inch HD TV display hooked up to my gaming computer. My display does a great job of running/viewing games and my other computer needs. I also have my laptop connected via HDMI to my 40 inch LCD TV display upstairs which I am using now. Laptop not fast enough for gaming needs but saves on eye strain. I wish I had your racing rig and steering wheel. You have a great setup for racing and gaming. take care.
These days monitor/Tv are kind of a blurry line I Have Asus 42 oled which is technically LG oled panel from their TVs just with more matte coating and displayport.. what is nice about oled is if you want ultrawide just change it to that resolution and black bars are totally off so it looks nice.
Considering that gaming monitors are hella expensive in my country, a single, cheaper TV is "good enough" to satiate my casual racing needs, being cheap enough to let me net a 32' one.
I'm not gonna sit here and act like Sim Racing on my Quest 3 isn't the most immersive thing in my house but, I could agree with everything he said about the VR part. After about 1 extended stint (1hr race) you're pretty sweaty on the face at least. Also, you will get eye fatigue and the hassle with getting everything to work all at once is pretty UGH. I'm nowhere near lazy but if you're taking sim racing on a more serious note, I'd recommend Single or Triple and maybe even the 120hz TV idea. I've wasted so much money trying to figure out the best and most comfortable setup for not just looks and performance, but for body fatigue as well. It definitely helped me shave seconds off.
You're spot on. I started sim racing a bit more seriously and joined a league with weekly races, so there's a lot of practice sessions and testing out of car setups etc before every race. Doing that with VR is just a hassle - you want to be able to get in your rig and go and for as long as you want as confortably as possible. Since using triples, my VR headset is pretty much collecting dust. I found when I was exclusively racing in VR, I raced less because I had to be really in the mood for it, knowing that it exhausts you over time and there's such a process to it like it's a whole event.
@@ty194 True, i wish i read our comments before my jaurney began. A lot of motivation, time and money would've been spared but now I'm up and running. I wish everyone the best of luck getting into the sport.
Should try the quest 3 with a good headstrap like the Bobovr S3. No cables at all or 1 if you want 0 latency. Much better then the PSVR2 headset as well. Cheap, lightweight, and the Head strap has a fan as well that helps keep ya cool. Also I'm curious if you have tried a 49" 32:9 or even the 57" 32:9.
I get the limitation of pc monitors size but in your case the cockpit is much too large - a real dashboard is much smaller - for me that kills the immersion - I like to have the elements as large as in real life ...but yes the TV screens has gotten really good in the last years. I had three VR headsets and finally landed on triple screens (32). Larger screens would be even better but at the moment its fine for me.
I believe a single screen is the last option, disregarding the size. I have a 48-inch old 138hz, and it never was attractive. It is either VR or triplets. VR is extremely hard to work great and needs the best hardware available.
My biggest limiter is my wallet. I have a GTX1070, an upgrade from the 970 that came in the PC. It has a liquid cooled i7-6700K that actually does 4 Ghz and 16 Gb of RAM. It does the older games like ATS which is my main PC thing and EA Sports WRC it runs in triples at a reduced setting. It is still pretty impressive. I do most of my racing on my PS5. I love Gran Turismo. I also have Assetto Corso Competzione on PS5. They both work great. I do have triple ASUS 24" older monitors, but I prefer my 47" Vizio tv in the middle. Your brain sorts out the size difference and there is less to see on the sides anyways. It works perfect for my truck driving, the mirrors are on the side mirrors, close to the main and the rest is the open windows. It works a lot better than I thought. I know OCD people would freak. Well, I am not OCD. I am not a drifter so I tend to look forward unless I am using my side mirrors to back up and that work great.
@@THESHADOW97139 I did, 4 more cables seems like a terrible excuse to me with so many cable management solutions out there. And if you are going for oled at that size, you can buy triples and a 4080 for the same price. Honestly, of you want immersion and realism, one big oled tv is nowhere near triples or vr. I do agree with the hassles of vr (eye strain, dizziness, sweat) so to me, triples is the best solution
I recently picked up a 50" tcl c755. It's way better than I expected. I have gsync running with it and everything looks great. It's got oled style blacks, 144hz, vrr, etc. At first I did have that kind of shock of the reverse curved effect, so I moved the tv back a little to compensate. Still trying to figure out the optimal position for it. If i move it too low then I get the annoyance of the rig covering up parts of the screen. Also, why run ACC at a lower res? With performance DLSS + 4070ti, i'm getting around 100fps on average in it which is more than enough (for me) and with gsync/vrr, it feels super smooth.
im on triple 43 inch lg hd tvs race soley on i racing....tried vr and as good as it is on a quest 3 i like to still retain some sense of my irl surroundings. The screens have me limited to 60fps but i can crank every graphic setting to max and love it. I had debated going mental and upgrading to triple 65 inch screens but itll be overkill imo 43,s at 90 degree angles when i turn my head i can see out both side windows anything bigger id need to be looking over my shoulder which i cant do because of my simlab seat.
Been using VR only for my sim racing. My current headset is dying and I don't want to spend $500 for a Meta Quest. Going to start using my LG 65' OLED with GSYNC 120hz for my sim racing for awhile just to try it out. You can nit pick VR all you want but face it, nothing is more immersive than VR period.
I use a sony a90j oled tv for my sim racing needs. Its only yhe 55 inch but still looks and is more immersive then any other panel ive ever used. If people have tried or arent using new oled or qd oled 120hz 4k displays now they are missing out. Tvs now compete with the best monitors while somehow looking better and feeling as good. Most have vrr/gsync now so thats a positive. Luckily the a90j did get an update a year sgo for vrr. I will probably get samsung qd oled or the sony a95l next for my sim racing needs/wants haha.
I totally concur with your conclusions. I'm using Sony's top of the line gaming TV. It's 65 inches 120 hz 100 frames per sec. It's expensive but worth every dollar to me. It performs awesomely. I do also have a VR which has great emersion and simulates g-forces but I always go back to this beautiful monster tv. It is so clear and responsive. I feel like I'm actually in a car.
I have pico4 and trippels, I use my trippels more, better image and comfort. I don't think VR has that wow factor as in the beginning. I'm waiting for VR with at least a VOF of 130, I still have the binocular effect.
I started on my TV on PS4 in my living room. Moved to single screen 27" for AC and then 27" triple, 32" triples, and now I'm on 34" UW OLED. From the cable management, ease of use perspective the UW is the best for me. Will I miss the triples in a sweaty online race? Maybe, but not likely. If I was Console and PC, I'd probably just run 42" OLED TV
Interesting but I've been racing in VR since the DK2 first released and never gone back to screens and likely never will. Dunno but I can't really take the PSVR seriously, I wonder how you might feel if you tried a more current PCVR headset, but you're happy with what you got so all power to you.
This means that I need an mega-ultrawide tv. To be completely honest, if you drive only race cars, triple 1080p is all it's needed, because the lack of vertical space is not an issue in race cars
Running triple BenQ XR3501, 180 degrees AoV. The big advantage of those screens is the relatively low resolution, so running above 100 fps on well optimized sims such as RF2. Really smooth (no screen tearing), accurate colors, good contrast. Very immersive and no fatigue, even after long stints.
I just got a 55" Hisense U7K 144Hz hdmi 2.1 mounted on wall and I also use to watch TV/movies. I can move my rig to the side. More versatile than 3 monitors and only need GTX 1080 for 120Hz, but will upgrade to a RX 6800 for 144hz.
I know that you like your decision but I just wanted to ask if you would in some way prefer a slightly bigger or smaller display? Like 50 inch… I don’t think you would want bigger.
Maybe you should make an actual argument if you care to convince anyone who sees this? Not saying you're wrong, but I could see it being subjective. It really depends on what you're after.
i can totally understand the simplicity going with single big TV, but the way i see it, if you are serious enough to have a whole dedicated sim rig, just get triple screen setup. The side view adds sooo much to the immersion of triple screen, on ETS2 or normal racing simulators its game changer and without the need of VR
I don't even look towards the edge / sides of my single 43" display as I'm almost entirely focused on the racing line which is obviously around the center of one screen. You say "just get triple screen setup" even though that's the most expensive option, with extensive hardware and software setting up, requiring more space than most people have along with needing a powerful GPU / PC if wanting 4K. If triples are your preference then that's fine, but VR is better than triples in specific regard to the factors I just pointed out.
TV looks great! You should get two more and make it into big TV triples! I thought about a big TV but ended up going with 1000R curved triples. Main reason I still love triples is being able to see the person next to you when racing which I really missed when I had a super ultra wide monitor prior.
I’ve got a 49” G9 and a 65” LGCX… i prefer the 49” UW for sim racing. My kids took over the LG and they use their PS5 on it. I still haven’t figured out the best settings for ACC as it seems some tracks perform better than others (higher frames etc). I’m on a Ryzen 9 5900x / 4070.
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We almost always use LG OLED 65" TV's for our test rig or OEM builds. Work well. Scale helps, specially if you have motion.
It's even harder trying to find TV's and Monitors that work with Xbox. You can't use Ultrawide's because Xbox only does 16:9. You can't use multi monitors. 120hz is the highest refresh rate for Xbox but most TV's are 60hz. Xbox is very limiting and no one does videos on this.
Couldn't agree with you more on the VR thing, I have the quest 3 and absolutely love simracing in VR but there is a cost that many people don't like to talk about, sometimes you just want to get in your rig and race without having to put a headset on. This is why right now I am purchasing a single monitor stand and a TV to go with it.
I use to race on Richar Burns Rally some 8 years ago on a 32 LCD screen with 60 Hz. I had a ton of fun, after a while your brain compensates for the missing pixels and lack of refresh rate. My take is, buy a good tv of the size you want within your budget and just have fun. You will forget about specs after 30 minutes of just having fun
I think for Sim racing its easy to choose a TV to play with. Hands down the LG 120Hz OLED monitors. Once you get into OLED levels of colors and response times, its hard to go back to non OLED monitors/TV. Oled monitors do exist now, but they are very expensive, more expensive than the OLED TV's. I used to play on a 27 inch ips monitor. Also tried VR on Quest 2 and Quest 3. Now VR is hands down the best for immersion. After all thats what Sim Racing is all about. Making you feel, how it feels to be a GT2, GT3, F1 etc. Driver. Only issue I have with VR is the longer you play with it on your head, the more uncomfortable it is. But no doubt, VR is next level. I know there are light headsets out there with better Graphics but at the same time it also means you need a top end GPU to run it. And the VR Headset it self are crazy expensive. I still drive with Quest 3 from time to time specially on ACC and ETS2. But most of the time I am playing on a 48 Inch LG C1 Oled 120Hz. The Oled is hands down game changer. I'd say better than the uber expensive OLED monitors that MSi, Asus etc. Sells.
I have triple 1440 32 inch 165 hz monitors. I paid $230 each or $690 total, not that expensive! I started with a 50 inch TV, not enough peripheral vision for side by side wheel to wheel racing in my experience.
I have my spare 37" LG LCD TV, which was the first i bought, in 2009. It has a pc mode, it works alright. I'm playing GT7, and the downsampled effect from 4k to 1080p screen looks kind of neat, no aliasing in distanced trees and fences. Anyways, just me oddballin'.
Lol.. Try a 130 inch 4k projetor screen for realism... But, my two cents.. In my pursuit of happiness for my sim racing journey... I went with realistic immersion... Running quad screen.. Although at the moment the rig is naked. I'm working on a complete new interior wrap around dash console roof and roll cage. Might redesign the safety netting too.. That's fully enclosed.. My rig is like stepping into a real race car.... 👍🏻
I'm also using a TV for Simracing, at the moment (I'm working with a limited budget). Although, mine can only reach a peak Refresh Rate of 60HZ which I find to be "good enough". Basically, I don't think that I am losing any lap time from the refresh rate. That being said, I haven't had the experience to work with better monitors/TV Screens..so I could be missing out!
2 months later and it seems you've landed on exactly the same opinion as me. I'm really glad someone like you (who has a reach) can kickstart a shift in mentality regarding gaming on TVs. Yes, gaming on TVs used to be a terrible idea... but not anymore, especially for simracing! :) Regarding brands, I would stick to models from LG, Samsung and Sony. Other brands (especially the Chinese ones), have their fair share of issues. Philips TVs are kinda midrange for gaming/desktop use from what I read and tested a few years ago, and everything else on the lower end, like Hisense. But do your research, my knowledge is about 2 years old now. I had a Philips for a bit, but had a few issues with it. Changed it for an LG and haven't had any trouble since.
Its a whole different game compared to v.r. Its actually incredible u feel like youve entered the game world in v.r, and for sim racing its just next level. Also gt7 v.r showroom mode is just a must experience thing if u love cars, u can inspect interior n exterior of every car super close up, n the amount of detail in gt7 is actually unbelievable, down to the tire tread, and brake rotor and materials its just undescribable how detailed it is n the experience in v.r is mental, hopefully when ps5 pro is out this year they improve it further higher res n fps. Also for games that require full body n v.r controller I cant play longer then 40ish minutes slowly improving but for sim racing v.r since day 1 I can play for like 8 hours straight with a few breaks in between no problem. Also I'm surprised no one uses a fan, if u use a fan u wont sweat.
VR has come a long long way since the original Oculus Rift. For driving games my Pimax Crystal is the only choice for endless hours of fun day after day. I understand your own logic to go with a large screen TV. It is the reverse for me with driving games. Going back from VR to a monitor just seems like such a downgrade. But that Ark monitor you mentioned caught my attention!
I went from 65inch 120hz tv to triples and the inmersion that has brought is the key. I suppose VR is the best inmersion but I really can't play for long with a mask in my face. Triples comes with set up and space needed complications but once done is done, you enjoy like being inside a car. I lost the 4k that I had with the TV, but my old eyes can't see that many pixels😅 so 1440p is ok. Pricewise, the 65inch TV cost more or less the same than the triples with stand (cheaper tv is worst image, input lag and cheap triples the same). About the computer, well I always try to have a good machine, and with all the money spend in wheels, pedals,..., I wouldn't save on PC or screens and nobody should. My gpu has 3 dp ports and 1 HDMi so I still have my tv conected for when I want to play other type of games or work with the computer, this is also a good option to have. And finally, have what you want or what you can afford, but don't forget your families, I much preffer play when have spare time and explain the race to my wife, who for sure can't be bother, than play all day and have no one to share it with.
In fact i had the exact opposite route you took. I had a 48inch oled and it was too much for 65cm distance. TOO tall with no reason. I went for a 45" ultrawide and its MUCH better. The only downside is the sharpness going down from 4k to 3440x1440 but for racing its not that noticeable...
Thank you for the very informative video but may i please ask what this means for us DD+ / PS5 (mostly GT7/ACC) only users? PS5 wont allow ultra wide or triples so... what to do? For us, a good tv like the LG C3 or C4 is SUCH a much better choice than a monitor... is the 4k an issue for the ps5? How bad for the eyes is to have a 55" screen so close for so long? What size would be ideal for an integrated single monitor stand (like the ASR stands, advanced or simple), still a 55"? maybe a 42 or 48? or may be even 65" if budget is not an issue?. In other words do you wish you had gone 48 or 42? or is 55 the definitive sweetspot for you? I am now in the middle of trying to decide on the size and type of mount. leaning towards integrated because my rig is on caster wheels and i very quickly move it out of the way when needed (i dont have a dedicated space for it but I do want a dedicated screen for a 1:1 view - or as close as possible). If you or anyone here would not mind giving me some advice/help with this issue even though im not on PC I would REALLY appreciate it, as I'm not sure what to do. Thanks again! Oh, and more importantly, if you had no budget restrictions what would be your top 3 picks of TV in terms of size and model (for dd+ & PS5, not PC) as your ultimate choice? would the ark 55 still be one of them today?
I have the same feeling with VR, I have a CV1 and though performance is not an issue with those goggles other things are like a sweaty face, or harder to breathe through my nose or not being able to see my buttons shifter etc... I wonder if something like a big screen beyond would solve most of my issue. But yeah, I understand your thought about a big tv, but I don't see a big difference between that and a single monitor.
Nice to know. I bought the same TV although its the QNED 90C 50" 144hz 4k . But since then I have decided to rather go for 3 32" LG 165hz monitors VA panels. but its nice to know that using a tv isnt completely out of the realm of possibilities
I started on a tube-style TV way back in the day, then a 'flat-screen' that was still as big as a tube-style, then a 32" flat-screen, and now a 55" flat-screen. And because I'm a masochist I've stuck to 60fps 1080p since the 32" because 970GTX (now retired lol)
I've been using a big TV for my simrig for many years now and my current 55in 4K OLED LG TV with 120hz g-sync and VRR is just really amazing for immersion and pure picture quality. I just roll out the simrig in front of the TV whenever I want to race which takes seconds and I can chill on the sofa or bean bag playing non race games. A big TV is also great for flight sims when combined with head tracking (which you can also use with race sims BTW) I never got on well with VR as the image quality is lacking compared to a good OLED TV and the motion sickness and lack of comfort is rather unpleasant for long sessions. I've also got a triple screen setup on my desktop PC but I find the big TV much more immersive for sim racing.
Spot on, Random. I've set my rig up in front of my 65 OLED in my living room, and have done for 5 years.
I can push the rig aside and watch thr TV if I want. The immersion of a big screen is as good as you say
Yeah, I have a VR2 as well, and love it. I swap between the two.
Great video.
I've tried everything. Started with a single monitor, went to a ultrawide for a few months, used triple 32s for a year, tried triple 55s at a friends house (who clearly isn't good with his money lol) and then i tried VR...
Man i just can't go back, everything else just feels like a game to me, no different than sitting in front of the PS1 playing Gran Turismo 1. With VR i actually FEEL like i'm sitting in and driving a car, maybe its a mental thing of having the whole real world blocked out rather than the technology just being better idk but it's the pinicicle of sim racing in my opinion.
VR is so cool. I have a Quest 3 with a Radeon 6950xt.
@@PITAH1 Vr is another level :D i have quest 3 and a 7800x3D n 6900xt asus liquid!. Its a very diferent experience... Love it... Wish all good for you guys 🤙 and Good Races :)
Yup, I personally second that. The impact VR has once you've loaded a race up and are sat in the car is immense and that sense of presense completely doesn't happen on flatscreen. When starting a race on my TV I'm just sat there waiting for the green lights, but doing so in VR I almost miss the lights as I'm looking around in awe that I'm at a racetrack in a race car about to race! I still do that several months after getting my Reverb G2, I'm blown away every time still. I can and do go back to flatscreen (for GT7 on PS5 as no PSVR2 yet) and that's ok, I can have some fun, but it's very underwhelming in comparison.
Vr is just not there yet. The resolution and heavy Headsets as well as VR sickness is just too much for majority of people. Maybe if it was like a pair of glasses. Big Screen Beyond looks promising but still. Triples is the way to go. I'm on an ultrawide but if i could go triples I would.
Majority of the people? Heavy?
I don’t find them heavy at all. Try wearing a helmet as required on a real track; and on a hot day!
The biggest bugbear with using a TV vs. a dedicated Monitor is the very reflective coatings on 99% of all TV screens.
totally true!
That and the lack of DisplayPort (and lack of multiple HDMI on GPUs), which makes triples a PITA.
@randomcallsign What is the TV you are using?
Watch the first 5 seconds of the video
Honestly, I much prefer glossy coatings.
Makes colour way better and if something is shining at it, it is only the object itself, which you can focus out of. For matt screens I am yet to see good color, on top of that any small light shining on it? Boom half of your screen is gone basically, just because it attempts to diffuse it, rather poorly. Even on high end screens.
Give me a shiny glossy screen any day over a Matt one!
VR is the way to go.
Its always best to take out the middle man. The middle man in this case is reality. Remove that chunk of reality between your eyes and the monitor and it becomes blissful
do you wish you went down to 48 or 42? or is 55 the sweetspot for you?
good question ...Personally, I'm aiming for an LG 42" C4, which will allow me to switch from the main PC to the gaming one.
Just one month ago i change from my 32" LG monitor to a 48" TV, and even tough the image quality and refresh rate is much lower, for me is much better because that sense of scale that you mention. My braking references are much easy to catch now that my vision can´t scape the edge of the screen. Cheers.
Thank you. This makes me feel a lot better. I truly appreciate the wisdom behind your opinions. I'm old, and I've been at this for 2 and a half decades. At my age, I definitely don't want the hassle of moving to pc, despite the fact that I dream of triple monitors. Single player on Console seldom requires me looking any farther than a foot from the center of the screen. I recently upgraded to ps5, and followed it with a larger, game-ready Samsung. You've made me feel a lot better about sticking with what I've got.
Offtopic, but I love that mic arm
Agreed (aboot the love, not the offtopikeness)
GT7 in PSVR2 was my one-way ticket to simracing in VR. I thought I'd stop there, but I've moved onto PC simracing on Quest 2 then Quest 3 playing ACC (VR is meh to be kind), AC (VR wow!), and AMS2 (VR best!). Also VR is compact, so i can tuck the rig just about anywhere in the house
100% agree. Race on 55" OLED TV at 1440 120hz. But it's not for everyone.
I have a 55” Samsung OLED, but can’t seem to get ACC to produce a true 1440p (it’s clearly lower quality), so I just run it at 4k. I’d love to get the extra fps, but there’s something glitchy about how that game interacts with my TV. Have you experienced this at all?
@@ChubbyCelloCar50 are you frame generation tech or upscaling?
@@GeorgeFoulerRacing Samsung TV has a game mode tech that I turn off bc it tries to override pc settings and game settings. Otherwise I’m only using the DLSS in game. Running a 4070 and Ryzen 5950x.
@@ChubbyCelloCar50 dlss upscales a low res image, so that might be the issue. I use VRR and Gsync, which is great as the tv adjust to your refresh rate from the GPU.
@@GeorgeFoulerRacing I’m definitely having software settings problem/s; I’ll often get a different active signal input than the resolution setting, or the TV Game Mode turns itself on, despite manually shutting off. There’s a number of things going on, too complicated to drill down on here, but I’ve been all over the Samsung forums and it sounds like lots of folks basically trick (glitch) the software into working via “wrong” cable/port pairings (using eArc port for video) or 8K cable for correct 2k scaling, or other odd solutions. Frustrating, bc it’s a top of the line TV, built with gaming bells and whistles, but clearly they weren’t considering PC GPUs, bc the Samsung operating system really clunks with PC pairing…
Tried every option and I'm also for big TV screen. Triples were fine but without those G9s or 3 TVs (which I can't afford) I think that the picture infront of you is too small . VR made me sick, and while it was great experience I couldn't go for more than 15 minutes. Now I have 49'' Bravia in front of my rig and it feels so immersive. In ACC I have around 50 FOV (depends on a car) and in iRacing i'm around 80 and it really feels like I'm in a car, and visibility and sense of speed are great. Best buck for the money for me if VR makes you sick.
the LG 48" oled monitor has the best response times and 138hz refresh with full gsync. no best large size screen for gaming out there
Love my LG 55"c1 oled ❤
C1 is solid
Yep!
Former game dev (sim racing games actually) here getting back into gaming, I upgraded with a 55" LG C3 oled for my XBX some months ago - total game changer both for ACC, but also gaming in general. Actually i upgraded after watching your first video about getting a big TV for sim racing, so thanks for that 👍
I would expect a game dev to be using a PC not an inferior Xbox.
Guess now I am extremely curious about what games you had your hand in.
Well, former game dev, and as a until recently very casual gamer for the last 10 years, the Xbox suits me just fine. Might get a new gaming PC for AC Evo tho.
I was at SimBin, so GT Legends, GTR2, Race and Race 07.
Have triple 4k 50 inch in a blacked out 'booth' for great immersion, tried VR ... not for me.
@@vonHammock SimBin... 😍 🍻
I paid $250 for a generic 43" TV 1080P best money I ever spent, ACC looks great.
VR + 4090 = The Ultimate Visual Sim Experience
Cristal Pymax Light and 4080 super with 7800x3D will be my build, what is enough and lot more electricity efficient, bills, bills, bills : )
Nausea ?
Yea I’m using a 4070 and quest 3 and I have a few hiccups here and there.
VR is fun, but hassle and impractical.
@@ty194 ...sweaty . I tried anyway in a sim centre and got nausea in 5 minutes and felt sick for the rest ofthe day. I guess some people are affected more than others
VR is a funny thing, if you like it you love it if you don´t like it then game over.
Thank you, you convinced me to keep my 48" instead of 3 27". The TV was around 300 euro and the monitors would be around 600 euro.
I have quest 3 and it's great, but I still prefer triples for comfort plus I can clearly see cars on the sides without moving my head much plus I can see all my buttons plus I can drink coffee:)
I got a 42” C2 on sale for $1,000 AUD for my sim rig, best value for money imo
Same opinion about VR...sadly. It is very immersive and impressive and should be the best of all ! But I just can't deal with the eyes fatigue, the sweatiness, all the performances issues when you sont have a 3k€ rig... At the end playing on my shitty 27" 1080p monitor, well, sucks, but it is smooth, very easy to get into and I can drive for 2 hours without feeling my eyes burning.
Would love VR to work better for me through
I agree with the VR. I am taking a break from racing because my eyes just seem really fatigued. It was great at first but long term isnt ideal. I just dont look forward to putting my headset back on right now.
Even the 32:9 57" G9 would destroy the sense of scale, it's just too small in terms of vertical fov. The only good choice for me coming from a single 55" Oled would be triple 42" at a minimum and that comes with big drawbacks. Your VR comments are spot on. After an hour wearing it, I'm pretty much done, even with the best head strap with an integrated cooling fan.
Imho. G9 needs a roof to enhance immersion.
im on triple 43's and can think of no drawback, 90 degree offset my full perpherial vision is taken up by inside the car i can look left and right to look out the side windows etc.
Great video, really helps provide context for me. I've really been considering moving away from VR and getting a standalone stand and TV for my sim setup. I love the depth perception and freedom to look around in VR, but for me the setup is a pain, and it seems like unless I'm doing it every day, I have to spend a bunch of time updating my headset, and the headsets are just not comfortable for long periods of time. As a result, I end up not playing my simracing games much at all, since my racing rig doesn't have a monitor/TV.
The issue preventing me from doing this is space. If I had a bit more space, I think I would build an aluminum frame with a seat and a dedicated TV/Monitor so there is no setup. Just jump in and play. Plus I can always keep the VR around if I want that experience.
The only bad thing i noticed with a 55” tv its that some info during the race gets too far, you have to move your attention out of the road
Thanks for the tips RC! I just build my first proper rig after 11 years on a wheelstand, and went for an LG C3 OLED 48 inch. Most expensive TV I ever bought but it has fantastic specs for gaming so I'll join the big screen club too. I do like VR though and have a Quest 2 so best of both worlds soon.
I just bought a new Hisense U8K with 4K 120Hz, earlier this year i bought an RTX 4070 Ti Super... And now i clearly know that my system's weakest link is my poor i7-8700 CPU... :D
You made this video at the perfect time! I just watched your video from two months ago because I’m considering switching from my 34” wide screen to a tv and seeing this video is convincing me even more this is the right way to go. I think I’ll get the TCL Q7. Not sure if 55” or 65” yet. Thank you for the video!
Good video, well explained and exactly why I'm using a TV instead of a monitor/triples. I own the '55 LG CS and I'm very happy with that.
Glad I saw your video now, I’m planning on building a sim rig and I was thinking of using a TV rather than a monitor.
Thanks 👍
Thanks for the video and your information on Displays. Although I do mainly SIM racing games in VR with a Quest 3, I also have a nice 50 inch HD TV display hooked up to my gaming computer. My display does a great job of running/viewing games and my other computer needs. I also have my laptop connected via HDMI to my 40 inch LCD TV display upstairs which I am using now. Laptop not fast enough for gaming needs but saves on eye strain.
I wish I had your racing rig and steering wheel. You have a great setup for racing and gaming.
take care.
These days monitor/Tv are kind of a blurry line I Have Asus 42 oled which is technically LG oled panel from their TVs just with more matte coating and displayport.. what is nice about oled is if you want ultrawide just change it to that resolution and black bars are totally off so it looks nice.
Considering that gaming monitors are hella expensive in my country, a single, cheaper TV is "good enough" to satiate my casual racing needs, being cheap enough to let me net a 32' one.
I'm not gonna sit here and act like Sim Racing on my Quest 3 isn't the most immersive thing in my house but, I could agree with everything he said about the VR part. After about 1 extended stint (1hr race) you're pretty sweaty on the face at least. Also, you will get eye fatigue and the hassle with getting everything to work all at once is pretty UGH. I'm nowhere near lazy but if you're taking sim racing on a more serious note, I'd recommend Single or Triple and maybe even the 120hz TV idea. I've wasted so much money trying to figure out the best and most comfortable setup for not just looks and performance, but for body fatigue as well. It definitely helped me shave seconds off.
You're spot on. I started sim racing a bit more seriously and joined a league with weekly races, so there's a lot of practice sessions and testing out of car setups etc before every race. Doing that with VR is just a hassle - you want to be able to get in your rig and go and for as long as you want as confortably as possible. Since using triples, my VR headset is pretty much collecting dust.
I found when I was exclusively racing in VR, I raced less because I had to be really in the mood for it, knowing that it exhausts you over time and there's such a process to it like it's a whole event.
@@ty194 True, i wish i read our comments before my jaurney began. A lot of motivation, time and money would've been spared but now I'm up and running. I wish everyone the best of luck getting into the sport.
Should try the quest 3 with a good headstrap like the Bobovr S3. No cables at all or 1 if you want 0 latency. Much better then the PSVR2 headset as well. Cheap, lightweight, and the Head strap has a fan as well that helps keep ya cool.
Also I'm curious if you have tried a 49" 32:9 or even the 57" 32:9.
I get the limitation of pc monitors size but in your case the cockpit is much too large - a real dashboard is much smaller - for me that kills the immersion - I like to have the elements as large as in real life ...but yes the TV screens has gotten really good in the last years. I had three VR headsets and finally landed on triple screens (32). Larger screens would be even better but at the moment its fine for me.
I believe a single screen is the last option, disregarding the size. I have a 48-inch old 138hz, and it never was attractive. It is either VR or triplets. VR is extremely hard to work great and needs the best hardware available.
My biggest limiter is my wallet. I have a GTX1070, an upgrade from the 970 that came in the PC. It has a liquid cooled i7-6700K that actually does 4 Ghz and 16 Gb of RAM. It does the older games like ATS which is my main PC thing and EA Sports WRC it runs in triples at a reduced setting. It is still pretty impressive. I do most of my racing on my PS5. I love Gran Turismo. I also have Assetto Corso Competzione on PS5. They both work great. I do have triple ASUS 24" older monitors, but I prefer my 47" Vizio tv in the middle. Your brain sorts out the size difference and there is less to see on the sides anyways. It works perfect for my truck driving, the mirrors are on the side mirrors, close to the main and the rest is the open windows. It works a lot better than I thought. I know OCD people would freak. Well, I am not OCD. I am not a drifter so I tend to look forward unless I am using my side mirrors to back up and that work great.
What FOV are you using for ACC?
Great video, thanks!
I have a 55 LG C3 in my room that i barely use. So tomorrow its going to the SimRig 🎉
There is no way this beats triple 32s with the base behind the monitors
In your opinion.
@@LargeStyle whoever can afford it
@@SIMRIG412 i know, i have them :)
You did not watch the entire video
@@THESHADOW97139 I did, 4 more cables seems like a terrible excuse to me with so many cable management solutions out there. And if you are going for oled at that size, you can buy triples and a 4080 for the same price. Honestly, of you want immersion and realism, one big oled tv is nowhere near triples or vr. I do agree with the hassles of vr (eye strain, dizziness, sweat) so to me, triples is the best solution
I recently picked up a 50" tcl c755. It's way better than I expected. I have gsync running with it and everything looks great. It's got oled style blacks, 144hz, vrr, etc. At first I did have that kind of shock of the reverse curved effect, so I moved the tv back a little to compensate. Still trying to figure out the optimal position for it. If i move it too low then I get the annoyance of the rig covering up parts of the screen.
Also, why run ACC at a lower res? With performance DLSS + 4070ti, i'm getting around 100fps on average in it which is more than enough (for me) and with gsync/vrr, it feels super smooth.
im on triple 43 inch lg hd tvs race soley on i racing....tried vr and as good as it is on a quest 3 i like to still retain some sense of my irl surroundings. The screens have me limited to 60fps but i can crank every graphic setting to max and love it. I had debated going mental and upgrading to triple 65 inch screens but itll be overkill imo 43,s at 90 degree angles when i turn my head i can see out both side windows anything bigger id need to be looking over my shoulder which i cant do because of my simlab seat.
Been using VR only for my sim racing. My current headset is dying and I don't want to spend $500 for a Meta Quest. Going to start using my LG 65' OLED with GSYNC 120hz for my sim racing for awhile just to try it out. You can nit pick VR all you want but face it, nothing is more immersive than VR period.
I use a sony a90j oled tv for my sim racing needs. Its only yhe 55 inch but still looks and is more immersive then any other panel ive ever used. If people have tried or arent using new oled or qd oled 120hz 4k displays now they are missing out. Tvs now compete with the best monitors while somehow looking better and feeling as good. Most have vrr/gsync now so thats a positive. Luckily the a90j did get an update a year sgo for vrr.
I will probably get samsung qd oled or the sony a95l next for my sim racing needs/wants haha.
I totally concur with your conclusions. I'm using Sony's top of the line gaming TV. It's 65 inches 120 hz 100 frames per sec. It's expensive but worth every dollar to me. It performs awesomely. I do also have a VR which has great emersion and simulates g-forces but I always go back to this beautiful monster tv. It is so clear and responsive. I feel like I'm actually in a car.
49“ Ultra wide is for me the best option. Performance and simple. And an RTX 4070 card can easily handle this one 👍
I have pico4 and trippels, I use my trippels more, better image and comfort. I don't think VR has that wow factor as in the beginning. I'm waiting for VR with at least a VOF of 130, I still have the binocular effect.
I started on my TV on PS4 in my living room. Moved to single screen 27" for AC and then 27" triple, 32" triples, and now I'm on 34" UW OLED. From the cable management, ease of use perspective the UW is the best for me. Will I miss the triples in a sweaty online race? Maybe, but not likely. If I was Console and PC, I'd probably just run 42" OLED TV
I have a 55" OLED but would choose to use my Quest 3 over it in every sim that supports VR.
Interesting but I've been racing in VR since the DK2 first released and never gone back to screens and likely never will. Dunno but I can't really take the PSVR seriously, I wonder how you might feel if you tried a more current PCVR headset, but you're happy with what you got so all power to you.
I am using a Sony Bravia TV, on console, 120hz, VRR.
I like a big screen and i can watch TV on it much better, as on a monitor.
This means that I need an mega-ultrawide tv.
To be completely honest, if you drive only race cars, triple 1080p is all it's needed, because the lack of vertical space is not an issue in race cars
I use the Samsung 32:9 57" Odyssey Neo G9. Dual 4k. super wide and taller than 1440 monitors
Actually v1 exhibition samsung ark 55s are going around 1.2k on ebay and refub stores
My Samsung QN90B is fantastic for my rig. Amazing picture. Mine is a 50inch
I had a 55 oled, swapped it for triple 32s. So much better seeing both sides, plus less car crashes!
Running triple BenQ XR3501, 180 degrees AoV. The big advantage of those screens is the relatively low resolution, so running above 100 fps on well optimized sims such as RF2. Really smooth (no screen tearing), accurate colors, good contrast. Very immersive and no fatigue, even after long stints.
I can’t watch streaming when VR is used . If I want to look at dashboard it is jumping around.
Samsung 57” Ultrawide here = almost perfect !
Thats my dilemma. I want triple 4k oleds but how i can get all 3 to run on G-sync?
I just got a 55" Hisense U7K 144Hz hdmi 2.1 mounted on wall and I also use to watch TV/movies. I can move my rig to the side. More versatile than 3 monitors and only need GTX 1080 for 120Hz, but will upgrade to a RX 6800 for 144hz.
i just bought that same tv lol, still waiting for it arrive, how is the image quality in your opinion?
@@rodrigocruz8548 Excellent! Nothing to complain for under $500 except the remote is too small and cheap IMO!
I have triple curved 27s...I don't need anything else
Is a 75’’ too big? I use a curved small monitor now but I have a nice 75
Vr all the way! You do need a beast pc to make it good tho!
UEVR is a game changer too!
Nao percebo é a malta comprar um unico monitor curvo de 27 polegadas, acho que para dar mais imersão tem de ser no minimo 43 polegadas.
I tried single screen I don’t like that you can’t see cars next to you in close battles.
This is exactly why i went with the LG Ultragear 45 240HZ
now you made me want to buy a tv for my rig, lol, i HATE youtube.
Size Matters ! ................. That's what she also said !
I know that you like your decision but I just wanted to ask if you would in some way prefer a slightly bigger or smaller display? Like 50 inch… I don’t think you would want bigger.
Maybe 48 to 50 or a curved 55
3 small screens are 100% better than one big tv
I hope everyone who thinks about bying a tv sees this
Maybe you should make an actual argument if you care to convince anyone who sees this? Not saying you're wrong, but I could see it being subjective. It really depends on what you're after.
@@InfectedAI boosted media has a perfect video about it if you want an explanation. Lots of beginners make the mistake by bying a big ass tv
What's your specific t.v. ?
i can totally understand the simplicity going with single big TV, but the way i see it, if you are serious enough to have a whole dedicated sim rig, just get triple screen setup. The side view adds sooo much to the immersion of triple screen, on ETS2 or normal racing simulators its game changer and without the need of VR
simplicity for me is more important than immersion.
@@randomcallsign yeah and thats totally understandable :)
I don't even look towards the edge / sides of my single 43" display as I'm almost entirely focused on the racing line which is obviously around the center of one screen. You say "just get triple screen setup" even though that's the most expensive option, with extensive hardware and software setting up, requiring more space than most people have along with needing a powerful GPU / PC if wanting 4K. If triples are your preference then that's fine, but VR is better than triples in specific regard to the factors I just pointed out.
@@LargeStyle 100% , thank you explaining.
@@randomcallsign And " tobii eye tracker " ?? 😉
It's a slippery slope! Now I'm interested in trading in my PS5 for a PC, do you have any recommendations? (specs, build, pre-built, etc.)
if you know, build a pc. otherwise buy a pre built from a good pc store or ask them to build your at the specs you want.
TV looks great! You should get two more and make it into big TV triples! I thought about a big TV but ended up going with 1000R curved triples. Main reason I still love triples is being able to see the person next to you when racing which I really missed when I had a super ultra wide monitor prior.
I wish
RIP framerate!
What size are your triples?
Vr personally I find it way easier to hit apex and braking points
For quick online races I still prefer my super ultra wide. For full immersion VR for sure.
what game are you playing at 2:33?
your video inspired me to pick up a 55 inch TV.
Question: How many inches or centimeters is the screen from your eyes?
over 1m
I’ve got a 49” G9 and a 65” LGCX… i prefer the 49” UW for sim racing. My kids took over the LG and they use their PS5 on it.
I still haven’t figured out the best settings for ACC as it seems some tracks perform better than others (higher frames etc).
I’m on a Ryzen 9 5900x / 4070.
We almost always use LG OLED 65" TV's for our test rig or OEM builds. Work well. Scale helps, specially if you have motion.
Yeah, VR is not for me either..
It's even harder trying to find TV's and Monitors that work with Xbox. You can't use Ultrawide's because Xbox only does 16:9. You can't use multi monitors. 120hz is the highest refresh rate for Xbox but most TV's are 60hz. Xbox is very limiting and no one does videos on this.
Couldn't agree with you more on the VR thing, I have the quest 3 and absolutely love simracing in VR but there is a cost that many people don't like to talk about, sometimes you just want to get in your rig and race without having to put a headset on. This is why right now I am purchasing a single monitor stand and a TV to go with it.
I use to race on Richar Burns Rally some 8 years ago on a 32 LCD screen with 60 Hz. I had a ton of fun, after a while your brain compensates for the missing pixels and lack of refresh rate. My take is, buy a good tv of the size you want within your budget and just have fun. You will forget about specs after 30 minutes of just having fun
I think for Sim racing its easy to choose a TV to play with. Hands down the LG 120Hz OLED monitors. Once you get into OLED levels of colors and response times, its hard to go back to non OLED monitors/TV.
Oled monitors do exist now, but they are very expensive, more expensive than the OLED TV's.
I used to play on a 27 inch ips monitor.
Also tried VR on Quest 2 and Quest 3.
Now VR is hands down the best for immersion. After all thats what Sim Racing is all about. Making you feel, how it feels to be a GT2, GT3, F1 etc. Driver.
Only issue I have with VR is the longer you play with it on your head, the more uncomfortable it is.
But no doubt, VR is next level. I know there are light headsets out there with better Graphics but at the same time it also means you need a top end GPU to run it. And the VR Headset it self are crazy expensive.
I still drive with Quest 3 from time to time specially on ACC and ETS2.
But most of the time I am playing on a 48 Inch LG C1 Oled 120Hz.
The Oled is hands down game changer. I'd say better than the uber expensive OLED monitors that MSi, Asus etc. Sells.
I have triple 1440 32 inch 165 hz monitors. I paid $230 each or $690 total, not that expensive! I started with a 50 inch TV, not enough peripheral vision for side by side wheel to wheel racing in my experience.
I have my spare 37" LG LCD TV, which was the first i bought, in 2009. It has a pc mode, it works alright. I'm playing GT7, and the downsampled effect from 4k to 1080p screen looks kind of neat, no aliasing in distanced trees and fences. Anyways, just me oddballin'.
Lol.. Try a 130 inch 4k projetor screen for realism... But, my two cents.. In my pursuit of happiness for my sim racing journey... I went with realistic immersion... Running quad screen.. Although at the moment the rig is naked. I'm working on a complete new interior wrap around dash console roof and roll cage. Might redesign the safety netting too.. That's fully enclosed.. My rig is like stepping into a real race car.... 👍🏻
I'm also using a TV for Simracing, at the moment (I'm working with a limited budget). Although, mine can only reach a peak Refresh Rate of 60HZ which I find to be "good enough". Basically, I don't think that I am losing any lap time from the refresh rate.
That being said, I haven't had the experience to work with better monitors/TV Screens..so I could be missing out!
2 months later and it seems you've landed on exactly the same opinion as me. I'm really glad someone like you (who has a reach) can kickstart a shift in mentality regarding gaming on TVs. Yes, gaming on TVs used to be a terrible idea... but not anymore, especially for simracing! :)
Regarding brands, I would stick to models from LG, Samsung and Sony. Other brands (especially the Chinese ones), have their fair share of issues. Philips TVs are kinda midrange for gaming/desktop use from what I read and tested a few years ago, and everything else on the lower end, like Hisense. But do your research, my knowledge is about 2 years old now. I had a Philips for a bit, but had a few issues with it. Changed it for an LG and haven't had any trouble since.
Its a whole different game compared to v.r. Its actually incredible u feel like youve entered the game world in v.r, and for sim racing its just next level. Also gt7 v.r showroom mode is just a must experience thing if u love cars, u can inspect interior n exterior of every car super close up, n the amount of detail in gt7 is actually unbelievable, down to the tire tread, and brake rotor and materials its just undescribable how detailed it is n the experience in v.r is mental, hopefully when ps5 pro is out this year they improve it further higher res n fps. Also for games that require full body n v.r controller I cant play longer then 40ish minutes slowly improving but for sim racing v.r since day 1 I can play for like 8 hours straight with a few breaks in between no problem. Also I'm surprised no one uses a fan, if u use a fan u wont sweat.
VR has come a long long way since the original Oculus Rift. For driving games my Pimax Crystal is the only choice for endless hours of fun day after day. I understand your own logic to go with a large screen TV. It is the reverse for me with driving games. Going back from VR to a monitor just seems like such a downgrade. But that Ark monitor you mentioned caught my attention!
I went from 65inch 120hz tv to triples and the inmersion that has brought is the key. I suppose VR is the best inmersion but I really can't play for long with a mask in my face. Triples comes with set up and space needed complications but once done is done, you enjoy like being inside a car. I lost the 4k that I had with the TV, but my old eyes can't see that many pixels😅 so 1440p is ok. Pricewise, the 65inch TV cost more or less the same than the triples with stand (cheaper tv is worst image, input lag and cheap triples the same). About the computer, well I always try to have a good machine, and with all the money spend in wheels, pedals,..., I wouldn't save on PC or screens and nobody should.
My gpu has 3 dp ports and 1 HDMi so I still have my tv conected for when I want to play other type of games or work with the computer, this is also a good option to have.
And finally, have what you want or what you can afford, but don't forget your families, I much preffer play when have spare time and explain the race to my wife, who for sure can't be bother, than play all day and have no one to share it with.
You got me honking about this. Dave can is also using a TV as well. What size tv did you get?
55
In fact i had the exact opposite route you took. I had a 48inch oled and it was too much for 65cm distance. TOO tall with no reason. I went for a 45" ultrawide and its MUCH better. The only downside is the sharpness going down from 4k to 3440x1440 but for racing its not that noticeable...
Thank you for the very informative video but may i please ask what this means for us DD+ / PS5 (mostly GT7/ACC) only users? PS5 wont allow ultra wide or triples so... what to do? For us, a good tv like the LG C3 or C4 is SUCH a much better choice than a monitor...
is the 4k an issue for the ps5? How bad for the eyes is to have a 55" screen so close for so long? What size would be ideal for an integrated single monitor stand (like the ASR stands, advanced or simple), still a 55"? maybe a 42 or 48? or may be even 65" if budget is not an issue?. In other words do you wish you had gone 48 or 42? or is 55 the definitive sweetspot for you?
I am now in the middle of trying to decide on the size and type of mount. leaning towards integrated because my rig is on caster wheels and i very quickly move it out of the way when needed (i dont have a dedicated space for it but I do want a dedicated screen for a 1:1 view - or as close as possible). If you or anyone here would not mind giving me some advice/help with this issue even though im not on PC I would REALLY appreciate it, as I'm not sure what to do. Thanks again!
Oh, and more importantly, if you had no budget restrictions what would be your top 3 picks of TV in terms of size and model (for dd+ & PS5, not PC) as your ultimate choice? would the ark 55 still be one of them today?
I have the same feeling with VR, I have a CV1 and though performance is not an issue with those goggles other things are like a sweaty face, or harder to breathe through my nose or not being able to see my buttons shifter etc...
I wonder if something like a big screen beyond would solve most of my issue. But yeah, I understand your thought about a big tv, but I don't see a big difference between that and a single monitor.
Luckily enough, I bought the same exact TV as you...... a 55" LG QNED81 😊 Cheers Don, Perth WA (Dons Shed and Xplor Overland)
Nice to know. I bought the same TV although its the QNED 90C 50" 144hz 4k . But since then I have decided to rather go for 3 32" LG 165hz monitors VA panels. but its nice to know that using a tv isnt completely out of the realm of possibilities
I started on a tube-style TV way back in the day, then a 'flat-screen' that was still as big as a tube-style, then a 32" flat-screen, and now a 55" flat-screen. And because I'm a masochist I've stuck to 60fps 1080p since the 32" because 970GTX (now retired lol)
I've been using a big TV for my simrig for many years now and my current 55in 4K OLED LG TV with 120hz g-sync and VRR is just really amazing for immersion and pure picture quality. I just roll out the simrig in front of the TV whenever I want to race which takes seconds and I can chill on the sofa or bean bag playing non race games. A big TV is also great for flight sims when combined with head tracking (which you can also use with race sims BTW) I never got on well with VR as the image quality is lacking compared to a good OLED TV and the motion sickness and lack of comfort is rather unpleasant for long sessions. I've also got a triple screen setup on my desktop PC but I find the big TV much more immersive for sim racing.