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- Danganronpa V3's ending is one of the most controversial endings ever. Today I discuss why I love V3's ending so much and why it is my favourite ending in the Danganronpa series.
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I swear V3 has the most controversial ending ever. Just imagine a scrum debate between the people that think it's horrible and the people that think it's amazing. While I'm just speechless, because I have absolutely no idea how to feel about this ending.
if there was a scrum debate i would be on both sides cuz i loved and hated this ending and i cant pick one side over the other even if i wanted to
Split Opinion
Is Danganronpa V3's ending good?
It's an awful ending!
It's an amazing ending!
Debate scrum start!
@@BartsMom that's a 0 vs 18 vs 2
Honestly, it felt like the most DanganRonpa-y way to end the series.
That's exactly what I thought also. It just fits so wel thematically
Yup
Uhm, buddy, I don't think this is the end 😅
it would have been better to just end it after the danganronpa 3 anime. instead they made a 4th wall breaking game with little connection to the other games, where they literally destroy danganronpa, and yet the series will likely continue anyway despite the fact they are clearly out of ideas
@@NurseOrysia1 in my opinion I think that there going to recreate the last killing game from the anime
*_V3 is the best game in the franchise with best UI, voice acting, characters and story!_*
Well, I personally agree with you (except on the voice acting, because that was ALWAYS GOOD), but that’s not the point of the video.
I love all the games but v3 is my favorite and I quite like it
I agree
I think UDG is my favorite.
V3 was my first danganrompa I really connected with and it was my favorite, loved all the characters
The personalities being lies probably a lie, since in the prologue the ones who actually speak act similar to how they act the killing game.
Katio and Tenko are still energetic and Suichi is still shy and not very confident.
Before anyone says per game Kokichi was shy just because of his sprite and how nervous he looked if I was suddenly put in some random place with a bunch of strangers I would be scared too. The fact that he did speak says that he isn’t and only thinks before speaking even if he only got two lines because very few of the cars spoke before getting there outfits and memories. He was probably similar to his post game self, a leader not some shy fem boy.
I can’t believe I wasted my time on this.
i think that the personalities being opposites from how they were in pregame is a lie too. that everyone’s original personalities are similar but exaggerated in v3. miu had a potty mouth, but now has an even bigger potty mouth, kokichi was interested in his surroundings, but is even more interested and interesting now, he definitely is and was a really curious person. when i say this i mean when he spoke in the beginning he asked a question, i forgot what but he wanted answers, even if just one. EDIT nvm he asked if everyone wanted him to go check outside or smthn, but that showed he was kind and was willing to do what he could to help ease the situation, but once tenko told him no that it was dangerous, he realized he wasnt needed and shutted up. and when we met v3 kokichi he was genuinely curious about kiibo. hes a complicated case that i wont talk more about cuz if i did i’d be here all day. as you said, tenko was and is extremely energetic, maki is and was calm and stoic, i could go on with this forever but you get the idea
But in the prologue Kaede mentions how she thought the world was rotten, wich is an apparently random line, but actually fits with her audition tape.
Tsumigi says their talents suited them to a certain degree but in a placebo effect way. The personality were probability similar. Kaito's determination to kill turned to determination to protect, for example.
Me neither, you're supposed to be dead.
i fully agree
i hate the idea of pregames having totally different personalities
like
feels out of place
Here's my headcanon on how the world in V3 is. Its nice that It can exist because of those intentional plot holes. Anyway, here it is.
THH, Goodbye Despair, Ultra Despair Girls and the anime did indeed happen. In the danganronpa universe, these games did indeed happen. The tragedy happened, the ultimate despairs happened, you get the idea. But what about V3? V3 did indeed happen aswell, just not how it was presented. If you recall in the prologue, we see Kaede get kidnapped and transformed into a new Kaede. This directly contradicts what Tsumugi said in the 6th trial, and how the cast was apparently excited and volunteered for the position.. What I think happened was that some kind of cult or immoral group of people kidnapped the V3 cast and used the flashback lights on them, as a test of sorts. Said group would have to be very large, because the flashback lights are highly complex machines, and the outside world in chapter 5 would be very hard to pull off. However, keep in mind that a single high school girl caused the world to almost fall in ruin.
Well, that was poorly written, so I don't expect anyone to get what I'm saying. Thought I'd give my headcanon though.
i felt like she kidnapped them forced false memories into them and talents cuz she was a junko fanatic
that's very very similar to my headcanon too! it is a bit biased though because I'd like to believe what we went through wasnt just fake
i think the characters did volunteer, but afterwards they couldnt turn back, like signing their souls to the devil, then got kidnapped some time after they volunteered. i remember kaede saying “i called for help but no one even cared. it reminded me of how horroble the world is” meaning this stuff happens normally. people sign up to be in a killing game, and whenever skmeone is seen getting kidnapped by a grouo of people in fancy cars, they immediatelt assume “oop, this guy/girl signed their souls to a killing game. sucks to be them” and move on with their day. maybe some of them changed their minds but couldnt leave cuz they already signed something
moving to the topic of headcannons, my headcannon is a lot more lazy tho. that everything was just a simulation based on the events that happened in danganronpa 1, 2 and the anime. cuz its canon that v3 is saying its fake but its based off something that did happen in that universe. like a tragedy did indeed happen but the way that it was shown in the past was exaggerated. also everything in v3 didnt make enough sense for it to have been real life. it had to have been a simulation
That's exactly what I thought after rewatching the prolog. They have clearly no idea of what's going on there and I think one of them recognises what is happening and looks terryfied so the theory that they didn't volunteer is pretty clear to me. The theory that 1 and 2 were real, I also think is true but that is not that clear. But yes, I believe those games really happened and now some group is illegaly recreating them because they are obssesed with it. Some proof that I would give for that is the files Shuichi finds in his lab which all have pictures except 1 and 2 (my theory is because history or the future foundation itself tried to erase the real killing games to avoid exactly that, so they didn't have pictures and had to recreate it)
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ah. i assumed they did volunteer, got kidnapped, then got their memories of volunteering erased. thats a good point you make tho
I love V3, even if people disagree i just love all of it
Same
i love it so much that i also hate it at the exact same time for the exact same reason. the reason i love and hate v3 is cuz it extremely affected me emotionally and mentally. a pure masterpiece.
My biggest dislike with it is it's slow pacing, but other than that I really like it too
The thing I love about the V3 ending is the ambiguity of it. There's no clear answer to know if Tsumugi was being totally truthful or not. The main theme (and imo one of it's biggest differences from the series) is truth and lies, so denying anything she says could be denying the truth. There's also many theories supporting how she could have made such an elaborate lie.
Accepting V3's ending at face value is fine, but just as in the other games there's always more to the story than what is told.
It’s confusing
One thing that was clear though is they made those people contemplate suicide, fictional or not
For me it would’ve been better if it didn’t say that the entire danganronpa series was a show because that leaves too many plot holes and it would’ve been much better another way
Honestly I feel like one reason why so many people dislike V3's ending was bc it seemed to have thrown away the value of the previous games. I personally went into V3 as its own little thing and not expecting it to relate to the other games or the anime, so I actually really loved it. The whole game just felt more surreal to me, and the ending just highlights the whole society is fucked up thing, which I think was done well. I've seen a lot of debate around the whole they shouldn't have used real people pictures, but I think that was brilliant because the whole point of it was to get on the players' nerves. Its eerily real. People who were offended by the audience, I lowkey feel like they're just butthurt lol. Props to Kodaka, whether it was his intentions to shade the players or not, for just simply putting that in. I totally agree with the points made in this video. I agree the inclusion of the audience was kinda funny.
Yeah, I definitely think going into V3 without holding the other games over it helps people digest the ending. I actually got into Danganronpa through V3, then DR and then DR2. Because of that, my least favorite of the three is actually DR2, and I have a lot of love and respect for the depth of V3's ending. I think the Danganronpa games just have a lot of fatigue - by the time you reach the end of the series, you're just kind of done with everything and I think that somewhat negative attitude had a lot of impact on the reception of V3's ending. It doesn't help that a lot of people took the ending personally, as a jab at themselves, instead of realizing the true meaning the end was trying to convey. While I think the games should be experienced in chronological order, I also think I got an interesting and, in my opinion, overall better experience from the franchise by starting at the end.
@@wolfywonder8480 thats so interesting to hear that u started at the end! I totally agree that many people take it too personally!
while i agree with most of what you're saying, going into v3 since it is part of the series makes sense for the player to expect it to continue the storyline. that's just my take though
Even though he's a goofball who wastes his characters in a pretty stupid way, and thinks himself so big that he can go to the trouble of spending almost half of the final judgment saying that danganronpa is the best, both the audience and the audience? own characters, as if it were a masturbation? That is insulting the viewer, they were able to keep the appearance of false identities and that everything was a lie, WITHOUT THE NEED TO SCRUB IN THE FACE THAT EVERYONE LOVES DANGANRONPA AS PURE MENTAL DELAYED ANIMALS, seriously, the worst thing is that on top of that He's an egotist, a guy named Nankidai, I create a much better game ONLY IN RPJ MAKER, and unlike Kodaka's stupid, he didn't have to rub me in the face that his work was the best in the world as if he were stupid. .. seriously, no wonder the danganronpa fandom is so bad, because its own creator sucks.
@@MetaKnightho Yeah honestly the ending would have been perfect if it didn't seem like it was calling out the player, even thought I think that wasn't intentional. It makes sense that the audience isn't meant to represent the player because Keebo is the audience surrogate, but you play as Shuici most of the time (and you even vote as him), so it's more likely that the audience represents people being changed by fiction in general.
I really felt pain for Hajime in Danganronpa 2. When he realized how messed up his life was because of Hopes Peak’s testing on him and how he literally had no friends or anything, I felt so sad. And then when he started thinking about forgetting Chiaki, the single best thing that’s happened to him, that was tough too
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The thing that I like about V3's ending is the fact that it took me 2-3 weeks to process "wow, it really is all fiction, this is the actual cannon ending" because of how shocking it was
Same for two weeks every now and then I'd just be like damn this really happened and I can't do anything about it. I still don't want to believe that everything was pointless and I think that's why v3 ending was so impactful.
well yeah, it's fiction. pointing that out doesn't always make a good plot twist. there's such thing as being too meta, and it's pretty much undermined by the fact that no, shuichi and the others are not real people. real people don't get brainwashed and put into the killing games.
Not really, the ending is open for interpretation.
while i prefer 1's ending to v3, v3 is a pretty close second favourite final trial - you explained everything really beautifully.
as for how i interpreted the ending; i think that the Hope's Peak saga is all fictional even in the v3 universe, but i think that these kids were not excited to be on Danganronpa; we don't see the scene where everybody's excited to be on the show in the prologue, and i don't think they'd just be able to get away with omitting that. kaede also tells shuichi she was randomly shoved into a van - i think she'd have more knowledge of what was going on if she really did audition for danganronpa. i think all of the participants were kidnapped and forced into the game against their will, and then lied to to make them believe they were excited to be on the show. the flashback lights can completely warp someone's personality; it'd be easy to brainwash them to make them think they wanted to be on the show, and even easier to make a convincing CGI model of the person in question.
I think the one thing I disliked about it is the fact that they were "written." It makes literally no sense and completely undermines every character interaction so far.
My theory is that there is no way to "write" characters. They can only give them fake memories. Like in real reality TV, you can rig it by influencing things subtlety. Everything we watched was, in fact, a real show *influenced* by Team Danganronpa, not written.
They can add character origins, Kaito's illness, and the memories. But the character personalities are real.
Of course, since this is the "Ultimate Real Fiction" or whatever this was one of the first to be done this way and the others were scripted or something. I dunno.
To me that interpretation fixes the trial for me.
I think there's plenty of evidence to prove Tsumugi was lying about the idea that "All your decisions have already been pre-written" and that your headcanon is in fact the implied truth as to what's going on. *I'm going to need a lot of text to prove it, though, so reader beware:*
For one, *her plan is obviously foiled at the end of the game and she didn't predict that.* The entire premise of Trial 6 is that the show actually went "off-script" with Kaede's murder plan failing and she needed to step in to fix it, and bash Rantaro's head in. Even IF she is using some kind of Junko-esque ultimate analysis on the cast it very clearly is not infallible. She can't even fully control Keebo, who Team Danganronpa literally built from scratch.
Secondly, *there's evidence she is lying about other things, Saihara exposes a whole bunch of her lies in Trial 6 and mentions in the epilogue she was probably lying about even more.* _(the audition tapes, based on the game's intro, were also almost certainly created thanks to memory manipulation. the students were not willing participants)_ Pretty much nothing she says should be taken purely at face value.
Finally, *she uses this specifically to mess with Maki the most, trying to argue that her love with Kaito was prewritten in advance.* _(she's conducting psychological warfare on the students and trying to make sure Keebo is the only one who remains motivated. saihara and himiko are already devastated, but maki was still a problem and needed a punch to the gut)_ *This seems like a lie if you analyse how dynamically their relationship formed.* The catalyst for it was Kokichi revealing Maki's identity as the Ultimate Assassin, which was *only* made possible because of the Monokub's mistake of distributing the motive videos randomly. _(note: it's possible that action from the monokubs was scripted too of course, but their personalities do seem to be real and it seems like their original instructions were to distribute them to their intended recipients. I'm also inclined to believe this because IMO, Tsumugi's idea of "on-script" is mimicking the original Danganronpa as much as possible)_
From there, it's also worth noting *Kaito ONLY shows symptoms of his mystery illness after there's clear signs Maki might have a crush on him.* This reeks a lot like Trial 5's Flashback Light as being an improvisation, not part of the original plan. _(remember, tsumugi had a flashback light generator in the academy with lots of different options, something that's utterly pointless if the whole thing's already planned out in advance)_ This idea is further evidenced by Trial 3, when Kaito claims to be "feeling sick", but then it turns out he's just terrified of resurrections and the occult; And then, Tsumugi, having access to surveillance around the school, _(at this point, having seen kaito spending time with maki, maki getting embrassed when kaito hugged her in fear during the investigation, and having seen kaito lie about "feeling ill")_ has a lightbulb moment and decides to "retcon" this into being a terminal disease, so we then see Kaito starting to demonstrate real symptoms after Trial 3 has finished.
This is my favourite thing about V3's ending, personally. It essentially creates a "trial 7" for the community to discuss, instead of explaining everything like the previous games usually did. There's plenty of mystery, but enough evidence that you can come to some conclusions- Such as Tsumugi almost certainly IMO lying about the entire killing game being "according to plan" or the characters being scripted.
@@darthvaderreviews6926 Wow, did not expect such a well-thought-out response on my comment. Also yay more evidence!
i mean, having false memories implanted which replace your old ones completely would change your personality, and with the ability to manipulate those memories as much as you want you could effectively write a person. You could also flashback light the Ultimate Psychologist talent into someone to work on the participants and make sure they come out as you want.
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you deserves more likes. that was a really really really well thought out and well written analysis, and it makes this ending so much better cuz of how well thought out it was
@@darthvaderreviews6926 Couldn't have said it any better myself.
Truth is in the eye of the beholder after all.
Because the entirety of V3 is up to interpretation of which is fiction or not, it really shows how truth and lies both affect an individual's beliefs.
What the player themselves choose to believe.
Someone once described this ending as a “love letter to the fans of danganronpa” and I totally agree. It was Kodaka’s way of saying “goodbye” to a large and committed fandom. Yes this ending certainly ruins the immersion, but that’s a small price to pay in the grand scheme of things. Also, calling out danganronpa fans is KINDA necessary as the fandom is just... godawful.
I’m actually really mad at the idea that Kodaka might be making another main line game because I feel that goes against EVERYTHING this ending stood for. It was a perfect way to end the series.
Anyway I really enjoyed this video! You went into some brilliant and deep analyses and I totally agree with all of our points!
i think the game isnt going to be v4. i think its gonna be a prequel like udg2 or danganronpa4, something that comes out after the anime but before v3. cuz v3 is def the finale and it needs to stay that way. if its udg2 it’ll def take place just before danganronpa 2. like days before.
I think it would be fine as long as it doesn't take place in the same universe or after the events of V3.
@@kiwikarp9509
yeah. even if the series wasnt over, we still need prequels. lots of explanations are needed. what happened after udg and before dangan2? what happened after dangan3? what exactly happened in v2? what were the v3 characters like before? theres so much more potential for a prequel than a sequel
I feel like you are forgetting that this is the 53rd time that dangenrampa happened, not the 3rd time. They can still make a 4th game without ruining the ending of this game. Also, can I assume when you say “prequel” you mean before V3, not before V1.
@@justsomeoneelse5942
i think they meant that they’re hoping the 53rd game will be the last, and that the new game will be a prequel. and honestly i agree. there should not be danganronpa 54 or up, since the 53rd was intented to be the finale
i think that it’s kinda obvious that the fans of danganronpa in v3 are different to the fans of danganronpa in real life. In the v3 universe they’re watching real, living people kill each other in a reality tv show. in real life we’re watching fictional game characters die. there’s a disconnect between these and i feel like a lot of people forget that.
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The ending reminded me a lot of these terms I learned in AP Psychology. It's called internal and external locus of control. It's basically that you will be happier if you feel like you make an impact, and you'll feel worse as if nothing is in your control. It's basically how you explained it, but it's cool that there are some terms for that
funniest part is that in the ending the people who disliked it are pretty much the spectators ig lmaooo
I really like v3s ending !
1. I think people either forget about or just werent around back before v3 came out, when all we had was teasers and stuff and whatever the latest weebynewz video brought, somewhere in the fandom it became very much established that v3 was in an entirely separate universe disconnected from the other killing games. This means that the "every game is fiction" ending is still exclusive to v3, and the other 2 games are still real in their own games, bc v3 is the alternative universe where its fiction
2. Real people signing up to be in a killing game sounds SO GOOD and makes me Love makis character, because she embodies every 12 year old girls fantasy "Mary sue" oc. I bet the whole "I'm obsessed with killing lol" on their audition videos was faked, and they actually just had people apply with their own oc profiles and ideas and danganronpa accepted whatever they wanted, hence maki being a fucking great construction of a character to perfectly fit v3 and no other game. (Himiko still on thin ice tho lol)
Ok that may only be 2 points but to me its GOOD SHIT so
Kaito signing up for v3 like "YOOO TEAM DANGANRONPA PLZ LET ME BE KAMINA PLZ PLZZZ IDC IF U GIVE ME THE PLAGUE ILL DO ANYTHING 2 BE KAMINAAAA"
And mius application like "yeah I'll be ape shit as fuuuuck"
The idea of becoming your OC only to end up in a killing game is just too good
Kirumi probably went "I'm gonna be the prime minister, fuck yeah" but then wasn't told about it until after the first murder, and it immediately stresses her out so much that she commits the next one
Excuse me for asking but where was it established that it's a literal alternate universe with it's own story? Because if it is stated that it's an alternate universe from the get go, Then the whole "fictional" twist doesn't make sense. The whole point of the twist is to make the player think, "Wait, wth?? all of that is fake??", meaning that they expect us to believe that the twist is referring to the previous entry that we've been playing so far, not a "world where the previous entry is fake"
Imagine there's a player that played the game up until the twist, then he asked, "wait, so what does this mean?" Would you say:
a. It means that all the previous games and anime is fake
or
b. Oh, it's an alternate universe thing where all the previous entries is fake, but in the other world it all still happened
If you answered b, you kinda ruined the whole point of the twist wouldn't you? Isn't that kind pushing it if you said it's an alternate universe?
@@daffaagung I honestly dont remember the source, I was like 14 at the time and it was just what everyone was saying. I think just "separate universe" fits better than "alternative universe" bc the thing being conveyed was that it wouldnt fit in with the in-world plot of the past two games. This actually does make the twist fun! Because as a result of it being detached, we werent expecting it to then suddenly be "danganronpa is fiction look we are all fans!!!" Bc we werent expecting ANY mentions of junko/etc at all so it made it more shocking if anything:0
"Kyoko is my waifu"
Yup, they're spot on.
I agree
i love danganronpas 2 chapter 6 as it as biggest twists and getting to see makoto and alter ego again plus big junko was epic and kamakura was cool plus it was sad with chiaki but with all the survivors saying there speech and pressing the buttons was amazing plus it felt AMAZING to be back in hopes peak
Agreed, Danganronpa 2 did the whole 'IT'S A GAME' angle better than what V3 tried and failed to do (In my opinion).
Although the Hope & Despair Arc Anime somewhat contradicts a lot of what we learned in Danganronpa 2, but it doesn't bother me as much as it may others.
game 2 had my favorite last trial
Thank you for making this! I really felt the ups and downs of the trial with the characters and the ending left me satisfied since it was so complete. Also, I would argue that DR1 and DR2 aren't necessarily fictional in the DRV3 universe (I know you sort of touched on this but I wanted to elaborate). It makes a lot of sense to me that the events of last two games and the anime really occurred, and although Makoto and co. restored hope in the world, the population still craved the killing game. One could assume that if this is the case, the DR1 and DR2 cast would try to prevent it at all costs, but consider how modern the world appears in V3. It's drastically better than the world was at the end of the DR3 anime. That and the fact that V3 is the 53rd killing game makes me think that the DR1 and DR2 cast are probably long dead. Despite their efforts while they were alive, likely bringing the world back to stability, the love for killing games that Junko implanted into the population remains. And of course there are people that want to capitalize on that. Just capture some kids, give them false memories, make them kill each other and stream it to the world then watch the money roll in. So rather than DR1 and 2 being fictional stories, they did occur, just a really long ago.
It all sounds plausible to me, but there's definitely some holes in my reasoning (Was it really that long ago? Was Tsumugi lying about cospox? etc). I'd be curious to know what you think though. Keep up the good work!
It´s been almost 4 years since this game and I´m still surprised Himiko survived, I was expecting she would´ve killed someone in chapter 3 and all the "Nyeeh" and "what a pain" were just a facade so nobody suspected her if she killed someone, the reason I mostly thought this was because "The Ultimate Mage" sounds like a talent that can inspire many executions since Magic has a lot of things on its study field (like Teruteru, Korekiyo, Ibuki, Chiaki, Angie or Mikan´s). Just look at the devices she posses in her Ultimate Research lab, any single one of them could´ve been used for her execution, also since she can perform a variety of tricks, we can infer she knew how to make things look impossible (like when she escaped from the piranha tank), probably like the killer of Turnaboult Circus in Ace Attorney managed to
make it look like our client flew out of the crime scene, she looked like a chapter 3 blackened to me. However I´m glad she survived, she´s my favorite character in the franchise since she got character development, something very few danganronpa characters could brag about, (I´m talking to you Hiyoko, Taka, Kazuichi and Tenko) Mikan, Teruteru and Toko are characters that I also love.
Honestly, I loved Himiko since I saw her design (I played the game blind and didn't even know how the characters looked except perhaps Kokichi) and continued loving her when she started saying that "I am the Ultimate Mage" and "It's maaaagic.". I was sad cuz I kept repeating myself "She is gonna die soon....." because they normally kill those kind of characters. When she got her development, I was really happy! And died of emotion when I casually beat the death route of despair (electrohammer ver.) with her. Also, when I played as her I was like "YUSS GIRLLL-".
I honestly predicted she would survive. I thought she was so gimmicky that she’d be the unpredictable survivor and she’d do a trick that has an effect on the story or she’d use magic as an accomplice or effect on murder or something. Kinda dislike the way she was written though.
You have alerted the horde.
V3 impacted me way more than 1 and 2
firstly, it made me rethink about life itself and how everything has a meaning
secondly, the ambiguity was such a good move cuz im still questioning 4 months later, as to what was a lie and what isn't
Thirdly, all the characters in V3 were so well written, and all the twists in this game had me, especially in chapter 1 cuz that really hurt me and still does, and also chapter 5 for similar reasons
Bringing back the older characters made me really happy but some of the voice lines hurt, such as chiakis " if you do it, things will turn out okay" and sakuras "your deaths will be meaningless" for obvious reasons
overall, V3s ending was my favourite cause it made sense and still gives me questions every day
I honestly liked this ending. It was very well thought out. I just didn't like how we didn't see Kodaka, and I personally think the game ending would have been better if he was the actual mastermind, since they didn't just break the 4th wall. THEY COMPLETELY DESTROYED IT! TURNED IT TO ASHES! But I like when games do that. Also, the whole Tsumugi being able to switch between cosplays in second and clothes flying around her thing was kinda out of nowhere, i just couldn't take her seriously. Other than that, the ending was great.
I disagree, because if Kodaka was the mastermind, then that would change the meaning of the ending to just be “haha you like Danganronpa so you’re a horrible person”. The “real world” in V3 is not the same as our real world. And the creators’ reasoning for Team Danganronpa’s killing game is very different from Kodaka’s reasoning for creating the Danganronpa game series.
@@grape448 you got a point. That part was a joke anyway. Although it would have been funny Kodaka being like "you thought Tsumugi was the mastermind but it was me Kodaka".
(Now I really want to see Tsumugi with Kodaka's face edit. Knowing this fandom, it probably exist)
It technically broke the fourth wall of their dimension, not our fourth wall-
I feel like it would be devastating emotionally to the 3 survivors. Everyone would know who they were, and they would never be able to be normal. I also don’t feel like a 4th game could top the end.
I personally don’t like Danganronpa v3’s ending, but I do agree with you on some things. But when you really strip all the fat down it’s just anime characters realizing that they aren’t real and screaming about it, it’s just stupid to me.
It can be good sometimes ngl
Also I don’t think the ending was ambiguous. I feel like it was a clear message from Kodaka(I don’t want to make any more Danganronpa games)
@@jaytakajeremiahtisdale2042 Recently Kodaka had an interview where he revealed that while he views V3 as his own DR masterpiece, he wouldn't be opposed to the idea of a new game where he could be involved, either writing it or supervising. So I don't think his ending was intended with malice or disdain to his own series. He just viewed an opportunity to make this kind of ending and took it.
@@alejohidalgo213 I didn’t say this is a message from Kodaka saying he hates Danganronpa, I think Kodaka doesn’t want to make any new games because he just wants to move on to other things, and to be honest I don’t really want a new game in the DR series, I won’t elaborate on why though but I’ll make a vid explaining why very soon.
Yeah that's why i hate it. Its so annoying when the anime just tells the characters "hey fuck you, you aren't real" and its never done well and danganronpa isn't an exception
NicoB and JohneAwesome love this ending too, and I do as well. In fact, as time passes, I see people love this ending more and more over time.
Hell, when it comes to this ending, There's not just foreshadowing in V3 itself, but in every game in the series strating from DR2 thats very subtle in its intent on playing with Game structure in general, and V3's ending is a culmination of all of that.
You're the one of the few persons who understand the message about fiction's effect to us.
Respect.
Finally someone who knows what they're talking about! I just love the ending and im glad that you made this video
seeing Tsumugi somberly wave goodbye as danganronpa crashes around her just hit me so hard for some reason...Im sad.
It's a modern day, "Everything was just a dream." So I understand why it's not well received. However, I'd have to argue that it's actually a near perfect ending for Danganronpa as a series. People love stories, they love following them, they love watching their protagonist go through pain. Keyword is *WATCHING* people nowadays only watch, they don't try to immerse in the story, they just hope it's good. Sometimes a story is bad, because you can't wrap your head around it, it becomes more special when you're actually *EXPERIENCING* it.
During V3 You are absolutely certain there is somebody watching you, but there's no camera's in sight...and why is that? Because the spectators in this film is, us, the audience, the one playing the game. We've always been the audience. People who hate V3 because the ending feels out of place, apparently did not listen to Shuichi's message.
"The people watching probably feel the same way... They want hope, too. Even if it's fiction, everyone wants to feel hope... It gives them...courage. And this killing game continues because we keep giving them the hope they want. While they ignore all the tragedies that we had to suffer to get there!" - Shuichi Saihara
What he's trying to say is, *US* Fans of danganronpa watch people who are such close friends slaughter each other...so we can feel inspired by it when they reach hope in the end. Switch the positions around, and you're in the killing game, now you aren't facing courage, you're staring down tragedy and a life of mental problems. Think about it we let this go on for 53 GAMES!!! (fictionally of course) but they're trying to say, "when will this end?"
Us as fans throughout Danganronpa 1-3 have watched them betray, torture, and slaughter each other; for reasons sometimes as simple as money. Sometimes people forget the sufferings and tragedies these fictional characters face to reach the hope in the end. Danganronpa ended this way because the cast of V3 No longer wanted to be slaves for out entertainment.
"Even if it is fiction...Even if we're all fictional...The pain in my heart is real! The sadness I feel when I lose the people I love is real!" - Schweetcheeks Saihara Chapter 6
I like the theory that the remnants of Future Foundation rebuilt the world and as a result the TRUE events of that world were made into video games, and people became gradually desensitized to the despair by the time the 53rd edition came out.
It makes some sense. The fact there is a full on AI robot that can interact like a real by is proof that AI technology advanced way further than Alter Ego. This could take place like 100+ years in the future for all we know. Afterall, the History of Hopes Peak book they find in Kokichi's lab at the end has a whole bunch of researchers and notes involved, so clearly it has to be more than just some random game series that got uber popular. It is just a theory, though, so it is hard to say.
This was honestly the best Danganronpa ending because it felt the most complete.
Another point I'd like to add: compared to DR1&2's trial 6, V3's trial 6 really does feel like a final battle to me. It's long, full of struggles, you're going in against all odds knowing full well they're rigged against you.
Exactly. I also love how shuichi rejected hope and his character development to me is better and more realistic than any other protagonist character development
@@sarahsamer5535 it's not that he 'rejected hope', really, but more so it's about him breaking the cycle of 'cruel hope' that the in-universe franchise was showcasing as hope for the sake of entertainment, and managing to reach the true hope himself. (I mentioned 'hope' too much lmao)
@@Saelendious yeah yeah I know that 😂😂. But what he did is amazing in itself because he didn't only think of ending this killing game but he thought of ending all the killing games to come
@@sarahsamer5535 honestly Kokichi almost managed to do the same, but I'm still glad that Shuichi ended up powering through after that anyway, he's severely underrated in general imo
@@Saelendious ikr. I agree with every sentence you said!
The thing I like about v3's ending is that it makes me think about our relation with media. There is a lot of people saying that the ending makes everything pointless, and at first I thought the same, but later I lost that feeling, saying "the other games were fictional already, the second one was a virtual simulation, why calling them fictional in their own world makes them less valid?". It made me realise that I don't enjoy media by inserting myself in it, but by analizing as an outsider.
Sorry, my english is not great, I'm not sure if I made me clear.
Yea I never really cared when they called the other two games fictional because in our real world, they are fictional. In the Danganronpa universe itself, they leave it very ambiguous on what the first two games are. The first two games could very well be real in Danganronpa V3's universe but we will never know. All we know is that the games have some connection to V3's universe.
Man you really wanted to see me die 😡
I absolutely love the v3 ending, and it’s si hard to find others who don’t hate it, I mostly love it because a lot of questions remain unawnsered and they are up for interpretation, so opinions and theories vary from person to person, which makes it interesting in my opinion
I like this ending because one of the reason is the ending telling us that the audience now hate danganronpa because what happen, the effect is same like the real world. People's hate this ending just like the people in V3 universe. I think this ending intended to be hated or something like that, and the effect being hated is successfully reach that intention.
Sorry for poorly word
Personally the ending was kinda meh to me. One of my major problems with V3 (Which is my least favorite game of Danganronpa) is the "plot" they presented. In the other games the plot made sense, killing the ultimates to bring despair and entering the virtual world to spread despair. But in this game the plot just feels plain, like, the asteroids and the space thing was weird, and the virus was basically despair disease 2.0. I would've prefer is the plot would envolve being captured by a world-wide oranization that everyones knows who is, yet they don't do anything (because everyone loves danganronpa).
I think that the fiction plot twist could've been handled in a better way if they said that the first three games and the anime happened in real life, but then the world was filled with so much hope, that basically people need to fill a bit of despair to find better hope (Something like even if something bad happened they always beleived in hope, so they weren't able to feel bad which caused them emotional damage.) Then people started creating the killing games so that people find despair and could create hope (Basically make despair to look out for hope) And that's what that's been happening since V3. In other words live the truth and suffer or live a lie and live a good life
THh and UDG had the best plot telling, Dr2 had the best characters and V3 had the best trials. There are other thing that I don't like about V3, like Shuichi as the protagonist , Kokichi, Kaito getting mad at shuichi for no reason and other stuff. But the ending is like the biggest one. I'm currently re-watching the games again and my opinion might change when re-watch V3
Sorry that this isn’t a very insightful response...but I just find it hilarious that the first word you used to describe it was “plain” considering the mastermind of the story lol
@@TheHalfblood.Studios Lol I just noticed that XD. Although I gotta admit that Tsumugi being the mastermind, help her a little bit to be more interesting. Also imagine if Kaito was the mastermind because he was the ultimate astronaut
@@shardanielslewis359 kaito being the mastermind would put a whole new meaning to him wanting to believe in people "I believed in them because I knew it wasnt them"
@@Trep3 I know, and it would be so impactful after what happened in chapter 5
But that wasn't actually the plot, no? The asteroid thing was really weird and out there though even for Danganronpa standards, but I actually really liked the concept of an ultimate Hunt. The fact that the plot was so.... weird actually made people think that there was more to the story though so idk
They do mention though that the primary reason people like the killing games is because of the hope that's derived from them. The whole its fiction thing seems to be kind of a meta commentary on consumerism and escapism as a whole though, with V3's audience and their dark obsession with fiction (I wouldn't be surprised if this was due to how arguably "perfect" their world was with little to no crime at all, then something like Danganronpa comes along and people got so invested and so greedy for more that they began making it a reality show) all coming from someone who ironically knows the *least* about just how much fiction can alter things. Kind of like gladiator games and public executions, it has been acknowledged thorughout history that people truly do derive some kind of hope seeing other people suffer
and then Kodaka comes in and says "I don't consider Danganronpa a finished series" just recently.
whatever new danganronpa game comes soon, it will hopefully be very good as the rest.
I feel the sheer impact and rush of the insane meta twists makes it not fully click just how incredibly existentially horrifying these revelations truly are for these characters. Imagine suddenly being told that all your friends and family never truly existed. That they were made up to make for an entertaining backstory for you, and in reality, you have no home to truly go back to. If I was in Shuichi's or anyone else's shoes I'd certainly have a mental breakdown myself. It makes me really love it when I come across an LPer that genuinely gets invested in what the ending is saying beyond the meta mindfucks and having it sink in just how horrifying these reveals are for these characters, it's absolutely harrowing.
Fun fact: They wouldn’t have needed to bring most of the voice actors back for the ending because they were already doing other voices for characters in V3 lol. Every main character in V3 shared a voice actor with a character from another game.
Monokuma was obviously the same, and he also voiced Monosuke.
Monophanie - Sonia Nevermind
Monotaro - Kiyotaka Ishimaru
Monokid - Nekomaru Nidai
Monodam - Byakuya Togami and Imposter
Shuichi Saihara - Leon Kuwata
Kaede Akamatsu - Kyoko Kirigiri
Rantaro Amami - Hajime Hinata
Ryoma Hoshi - Gundham Tanaka
Kirumi Tojo - Hiyoko Saionji (I know)
Angie Yonaga - Aoi Asahina
Tenko Chabashira - Ibuki Mioda
Korekiyo Shinguji - Teruteru Hanamura
Miu Iruma - Akane Owari
Gonta Gokuhara - Yasuhiro Hagakure
Kokichi Oma - Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
Kaito Momota - Kazuichi Soda
Tsumugi Shirogane - Sayaka Maizono/Chihiro Fujisaki
K1-B0 - Hifumi Yamada (I know)
Maki Harukawa - Nagisa Shingetsu
Himiko Yumeno - Chiaki Nanami
Everyone who hates the ending because the other games are fiction clearly didn't understand the point of the game. If you dislike the ending for another reason I respect that. But anyone who hates it because it made the other games fictional didn't understand the point of the game. It's one of the most basic morals ever. Fiction can affect the real world. Just because they are fiction doesn't take away anything from the stories.
about everyone surviving being an ultimate, i never gathered that they were the only ones who survived, just the only ULTIMATE'S who survived. I imagine plenty of normal people were immune, they just got left behind on earth and never managed to recover, i.e. they all died, i suppose, which is even darker.
I actually wouldn't have minded if they ended the series after the d3 anime. You had the full story with a happy ending after 3 games and an anime and it would have been perfect as is. V3 just felt like it was attached to the series for fun or no reason
I mean V3 was just a bonus game so it kinda makes sense, it’s just if you want to keep solving mysteries and not really about the story since it’s already finished
i agree. v3 def seemed like it was a bonus game cuz it had a bunch of bonus modes. ...in my opinion i dont want the story to end at danganronpa 3 cuz i wanna know what happens next but its definitely a perfect spot to leave off wrting wise
I mean, I think that's exactly what they did. That's why they named DR3 "The End of Hope's Peak High School," because it was the end of the Hope's Peak arc, y'know?
I like to think that with V3, the team realized that no matter what they did, different characters and plot points would always be compared to previous installments, so they decided to go all in on the idea that everything is connected in chapter 5 only to deconstruct it for maximum impact. At the very least, I admire that they chose a path and stuck with it for what V3 ended up being
@@Asterluna
im gonna be honest, despite dangan3 being the finale i really want to see what happens after. theres so much stuff that could still go down before the End of the Tragedy
@@thelivingliver6715 Valid! I love all the dangan characters so much, I wonder if they'll ever make a manga about Hope's Peak under Makoto or something
I think you‘re the first person I have seen that saw the ending in the same light as me
V3 had the only final trial that felt substantial and truly special for me. The others were fine, but I was kind of indifferent to them. Most trials are better than V3’s ending but I at least enjoyed it.
I agree that the ambiguity of this trial is one of its strong points. It keeps players invested into the fandom long after they finish playing the franchise. It keeps them guessing and speculating on certain topics and I feel that this was Kodaka’s intention. It would be boring if everything just got resolved and no other mysteries nor questions arose from the game if they answered it for them. That’s one of my favorite things about this fandom
I feel like the one thing that bothered me about the trial was that Tsumugi's cospox wasn't explained. If they are fictional then why couldn't she cosplay Kaede? I have a couple theories to try to answer my own question lol.
1: Tsumugi straight up faked the cospox by using makeup. We basically know that she could have done this because of how quickly she switches out if her cosplays in the last trial.
2: She is lying about them being fictional and she faked the videos showing Kaede and Kaito trying to get a role on Danganronpa. (Meaning either she faked the cospox or she could cosplay as them because she created her own story around them and completely changed their personalities for the videos.)
3: Cospox exists and she can't cosplay them because while the may be mentally/emotionally fictional (idk how else to describe it) they physically exist in that world.
4: Or maybe she just can't cosplay as someone right in front of them. Which is why she broke into cospox because Kaede was right there.
(Keep in mind that I personally think that V3 is in a alternate universe and doesn't affect the canon of the first games. Just in case that makes the theories make more sense)
It is left ambiguous as the answer depends on what is really the truth. But we don't know what really is the truth. If you just go by the "normal" assumption that the characters from the first two games are fictional, the answer could just simply be that she breaks into cospox for the V3 cast because they have real flesh unlike the characters from the first 2 games
Glad to see i wasn't the only one to enjoy this ending. It felt like the game and developers behind it were begging the player to let it die already.
I get why people would get angry at this ending. I'm just intrigued when i see an ending going an entirely unexpected way than envisioned, especially when it goes beyond the 4th wall. When playing video games, you don't want to be called back on reality so when it does happen, it can easily ticks one off. Me, i say "Interesting, why did they choose this direction instead of another one?"
Nonetheless, i still don't like Danganronpa ; but i do enjoy the experience i got from it. I wouldn't recommend it to someone but if someone were to ask me advice on playing the game, all i'd say to them is "Fasten that belt of yours because you're up for a crazy ride and you'll regret it if you quit midway."
I don't hate any of the chapter 6's but they're soooo exposition heavy. I just wish it was spread out a bit more.
I think that it was a good way to completely end the series because it keeps you theorizing and guessing but now that we know that there might be a Danganronpa 4 it kinda doesn’t seem like they’d be able to fit in into the story.
The final trial is possibly one of the only games that left me shook and aghast like I did not expect it I was speechless 😭 the series seems to be getting new found popularity recently and I hope people experience it without any spoils cause i feel like people need to experience it themselves
I really like the points you made! I agree that the reactions out of people for the last trial are funny, I remember I had strong reactions while playing it and after a while of coming up with my own thoughts about the ending, I laughed at myself for how I first reacted to the trial. I love this ending and I think the way it's left ambiguous and hopeful is a very good way to end the Danganronpa series.
Biggest problem with this trial is that Hajime’s voice sounds different from his voice in DR2. Took me out of the experience when I heard it.
The problem is the VA hadn't voice acted him a long time ago, besides (at least in English) he also voices Rantaro, so decided to pitch up Hajime's
@@monodam6510 I heard Johhny Yong-Bosch had actually forgotten he had played Hajime, due to doing all his lines in a short time period. Might be rumor though.
Yesss I’ve been looking forward to this video, and I’m just about to watch it. I am really interested to hear your perspective on the ending because my first reaction was that I really hated it xD I like to see what different people say, since the ending is so controversial
but tbh every game had the "people watching" hinted at, and it did happen in the 1st game too.
also this voices 3 endings, V3 is fiction, all is fiction, and none is fiction. All are possible
Playing this game after 2020, like "there was a disease very similar to the coronavirus", lmao
I WANT to like V3’s ending. However, as some others have pointed out, it feels like it makes the other games less emotionally impactful. If they are not real in their own universe, then what was the point of being emotionally invested? If we really DO get another game, this is going to be an even bigger issue to me. Yes, I want to see more of these games, which is one reason I love a lot of the really cool fan games, but if there is another official game made, I think this ending will either taint/cheapen it, or it will taint/cheapen this ending. It really painted the future of Danganronpa into a corner, because now if anything is done with it moving forward, I feel like it will be hard for there to be the same emotional impact when you’re left thinking the whole time, “But this is all fictional even in this universe.”
Furthermore, with the whole theme of the game being lies vs truth, there’s definitely room to question whether or not Tsumugi is telling the truth. However, the game doesn’t really explore that. I wanted to see that called into question more, because the prologue IS different than how they show it in V6. It would be SO easy for it to be Tsumugi’s lie that it was all fictional, and that isn’t discussed at all. I feel like that would have been a cool element to at least reflect a bit further on, because even if it is left ambiguous, I do feel like the game suggests Tsumugi was mostly telling the truth.
But people who are mad about the audience are definitely just butthurt. The audience IS very accurate to what it would likely be, and if people feel called out, then they probably SHOULD be getting called out. Granted, I do understand why some people would feel like Kodaka was shaming fans for liking the games, but that definitely wasn’t the purpose.
As soon as you open the game, 8t teases the ending. It opens with curtains, and an audience and film tape and stuff. I predicted that the majority of the game would be fictional once I noticed that, but I never thought it would take the whole saga in that direction.
I really like the V3 ending but it's kinda just hard to wrap my head around, like would shuichi, maki, and himiko just stroll into the real world? or would they go back into the danganronpa world with the tragedy? would the tragedy be real for v3?
Meta narratives like this barely ever work. Which is why it is best people don't do them.
Great analysis! I love V3's ending, all the twists, the open ending, the hilarious dialogue from the old characters being cosplayed by Tsumugi... I never felt personally attacked by the "audience" thing, it just didn't seem like that was the intent.
But there was one thing, just one, that I didn't like: the mass panic debate while you control Keebo. Why was the timing so strict??? I spent HOURS at that part because I was playing on a laptop. I even had to buy a new mouse to do that lol
Anyway, great trial, great finale for the game and the series, fun times altogether.
Ah yes, that's the one thing that can be frustrating with this trial. The gameplay is quite hard
7:17 the despair hit players to SUCH A DAMN DEGREE that they LITERALLY don’t understand the despair they’re feeling it’s pretty funny.
i adored the audience portion of the trial. i took it as a call-out and it made me sit and think for a bit lol
I remember my first experiences with this game. As the only one of the 3 main games i played (I watched playthroughs of the first 2 and sort of played along with them) I remember when the "Outside world" twist came up, I, being someone who enjoys 4th wall breaking meta stuff, was actually pleasantly surprised at it and actually laughed a little. So, I can't say "I" felt despair like the characters did.
That said, I can logically understand that they were in complete despair and grief at the revelation. I think that's a part of why, when they came to the conclusion to "Stop playing the killing game", in particular the final part where we needed to convince the outside world to change, I fought my hardest to help them. It was a heart-pounding finale for me.
So, yeah, overall I enjoyed this game, and the ending.
v3 ending is like thh ending, but on crack
I absolutely hate this ending but also feel like it’s the most fitting possible option. It takes so many hours of investment and commitment and intrigue, and disregards all of it. This ending truly brings the most despair possible from any ending to any work of media anywhere. Especially when even if you want to or can disregard the third game as being a true part of the danganronpa universe the fact that it explains away it’s entirely plot and mystery it was building with “‘cause it’s a game” still at the very least makes the third game feel like an absolute waste of time and existence and brings its players true pain and despair.
All this said, intentionally making an ending as painful and horrible as possible in order to make the audience feel as much pain as possible is definitely not good storytelling even if that is the theme of the series and it absolutely ruins the third game. I can appreciate it in a meta sense, but I can never get over the pain that this trial brings me, and that is just as it should be. If you don’t feel any pain from this trial, then it has failed and you’ve missed the true point of this work of art. It’s supposed to suck.
I wasn’t really enjoying v3 after dragging myself through 3-4 and the beginning of 3-5, but the fifth trial and especially this last trial pushed it to my favorite ending ever. I don’t understand how it disregards the entire series. The point of the ending is that fiction still matters if it can change reality, which is a psalm extendable to almost every game that someone has played. Shuichi, Maki, and Hickok aren’t going to forget the Ultimate Academy, just like there’s no reason for us to disregard the other two games and all of Hope’s peak lore.
I feel incredibly mixed about V3’s ending, one part of me goddamn loves it and believes it’s the best ending in the entire franchise and just an amazing ending as a whole. But then there’s a part of me that doesn’t. However, I think that first part of me is the loudest, the second part of me was probably just created from the vocal part of the community that hated it which is making me feel conflict, I also kinda feel like I should’ve been mad at the meta, but I wasn’t, I liked it.
My thoughts on each chapter 6:
DR1: It's okay, i'm not that big a fan of the crazy evil Junko - she should have had a better motive and explanation instead of her just being crazy. Also Junko should have lived.
DR2: Kinda boring and overly long, plus it was a big let down that it was just Junko again. It would have been more interesting if Izuru uses Hajime as a vessel to talk to everyone else and it was more of an internal struggle. Also super saiyan Hajime is just way too absurd.
V3: This trial just feels like Kodaka saying that he doesn't want to make Danganronpa games anymore. It didn't help that i didn't like anyone still alive except Shuichi and the living characters aside from him actively get on my nerves. The game would have been better if it was more alegorical, with something else being a stand in for Danganronpa, because as it is now if kinda feels like it is trying to invalidate the other games. Plus Monokuma does almost nothing in the game so they wouldn't even need him.
What really made angry was the truth about chapter 1 because it just makes it feel like they went for a cheap twist, without even fully commiting to it. The fact that Kaede was executed even though she was innocent completely breaks the game as it shows that the rules don't matter because the mastermind can just ignore or bend them for purposes of the plot. In DR1 and 2, when the mastermind tried to bend the rules, it was at the end of the game and was to show how desperate they were getting, while in V3 it just feels like it was done for shock value.
My biggest problem with the game is with it's themes itself. A mystery game shouldn't straight up lie to you or have the truth be something so absurd and illogical that you couldn't logically solve it. With DR1 and 2, you could figure out the plot twist by using the evidence the game gives to you, while in V3 its such a big leap that no one could really figure that out while applying real world logic.
Agreed
I watched Nicob's playthrough on the game and he did found out what the ending was about before Trial 6 with just the clues the game gave him tho(and also that Kaede was the culprit in case 1), tbh the game has foreshadowing about everything being a show as early as the prologue and it continues through the whole game.
And what you explained on the Mastermind breaking the rules on chapter 1 is basically the same principle as Junko breaking the rules on case 1, the v3 cast were showing a strong resistance to the killing game (if you compare to the previous casts for example) and nothing was happening thus making it boring to the audience, so when the only thing that did happened(Kaede's attempt of murder) failed they had to break the rules and take action or their show would be ruined.
While figuring out the *exact* details of the twist is always gonna be impossible, I disagree that the twist in V3 was unforseeable. I have seen many people in playthroughs ask "Wait, is this some kind of reality TV show?".
You get the intro, which *spells out for you* that the students seemingly aren't Ultimates. Much of the game's fake "plot" is meant to sound like badly written Danganronpa fanfiction. I mean, seriously, Danganronpa in _space?_ Really? Not to mention how the "Neo World Program" doesn't fit into the thing as a puzzle piece at all, _(especially as its version of "virtual reality" has gone backwards compared to 2's version)_ *except* as a completely meaningless reference- And that's exactly what it is, a completely meaningless reference planted by Tsumugi. Kokichi in Trial 5 very, VERY clearly has no idea what this hope/despair nonsense is, and Maki in her conversation with him legitimately sounds like an insane anime fan talking to a stranger.
And yes, the rules don't matter to Tsumugi and she did break them to murder Kaede, that's kind of the entire point. The twist was pretty fantastic in my eyes as it makes Kaede's death even more of a horrifying tragedy, especially when her response is "So what? So what if I broke the rules?" and even the audience doesn't seem to care. At least for me, it worked as the depressing gut punch it was going for. _(it's also pretty funny metacommentary on how convoluted the murder plots always are and how something could very, very easily go wrong. kodaka personally recounts a friend playing V3 blind remarking "wait, the shot put ball landed exactly on rantaro's head? that seems really far fetched")_
I'd also definitely argue it gives you way more evidence than 2 did for the world being virtual reality, at least prior to Trial 6. _(hajime actually being izuru kamakura also has scant evidence, until junko spells it out)_ In Trial 6, it's quite reasonable in both games to have the twist start dawning on you. Once you have the revalation that the Flashback Lights are *manufactured* memories instead of restored memories you have all the evidence you need to start piecing the twist together.
I love Junko in DR1 because she is crazy for no reason tbh, I feel like lots of media try to make villains have sad backstories and that led to them being evil, but sometimes I just love a badshit crazy villain who is evil for the sake of being evil.
Junko's motivation isn't that she is just crazy. She literally gets off on despair, even for herself. She is an aberration of nature that can't fully be explained. It is like saying The Joker in Batman needs to have a more compelling backstory to be effective as a character. I don't agree with that at all. There are plenty of real people who did horrific things with little to no real motivation at all. They just do it because they can and they enjoy it. Do you think Ted Bundy had a motivation outside of just killing random women? He really didn't. He did it because he couldn't control himself and nothing more. Junko is VERY similar to that idea, just taken to an anime-level extreme, which is why I think she is actually works as a character and an antagonist and why I also think DR1's ending is easily the best one in the series and the most satisfying overall.
I somewhat agree with you on the hajime stuff in DR2. The Super Saiyan thing is just odd to me and I DO think an internal struggle with Izuru would have been a more interesting twist, with Izuru being the Junko stand-in. However, what we got also somewhat worked just because of how obsessed Class 77 was with Junko that they took the AIs and wanted to rebirth her in their bodies. I do think it is overall too goofy compared to the first, though. It is saved by Chiaki and the DR1 cast coming in to try and save everyone. I also like how totally lost Hajime and the others were when they found out how effed they were no matter what they chose. It really hit home for them, and I think it overall works, just not as well as DR1.
And while I disagree with you on the survivors of V3 being all bad (I love Maki and Shuichi and Himiko I can take or leave), I do mostly agree with everything else you said. It feels like it can just invalidate the series and everything Kodaka said in post release interviews was nothing more than damage control on his part. I also agree that it is impossible to figure out any mystery in V3 outside the fact that they ar clearly lying about the world being ended because SOMEONE somewhere was watching this. Everything else at the end was just to give the fans a wedgie after spitting in their food.
My biggest problem is, of all the people, the mastermind had to be plain Jane.
I remember when I played this game with my bro he would constantly joke that Tsumugi was the mastermind because she was barely relevant in the game. When it was revealed that she indeed WAS the mastermind he laughed his ass off.
Seeing so many people like the ending ( not reffering to the trial, that was good) actually disturbs me. Well most people also play the game in english so it doesnt really surprise me
With intentional plot holes and open ending, It says all the stories of danganronpa series worth, even if it's fiction.- call out for fiction lovers.
FU to all the people who says "game is just play, you can't find meaning in them".
And demonatrates what danganronpa fans want and get from series - not the despair or killing(even for hope) unlike some media blames them for real life crimes.
Can understand some hating it.
Some will/should still upset in friend's funeral, even when they died in-character way and that friend found it worth their life.
...and some debate from trial was a little bit too long and repeating itself.(not the best writting)
Not only did this ending confirm that all deaths were fake. And that “dead people” aren’t actually. I still like the ending a lot
*That means Gonta is alive*
*Y A Y !*
Does this mean that the people who died in THH are alive?
Neither of them are real. The two first games were, well "games" in the danganronpa universe. And danganronpa became so popular that they started making killing games with real people, which is DRV3
@@teamili7957 yes
@@joseleonardofarfanperez2838 no. That’s the future arc
i think the problem most people have is just how the audience was portrayed, a bunch of sickos and fangirls who are unreasonable and weird
I mean... They weren't wrong though 🙃
M8, the audience in the game are real people watching other real people kill each other for the kicks (of hope and despair, and that stuff). Of course they are a bunch of sickos and fangirls who are unreasonable and weird.
I think people took it too personaly. It's true that we, the player, are very close to what an audience member would be (only close, not exactly like them), but nowhere it is implied that that's a message to us, the player. It's just like, that's the nature of that world, and that's it.
that's literally on how the fandom is lol
So tsumugi is the ultimate imposter on steroids
I think tsumugi lied and in the audition tapes are her cosplaying as them. Her cospox wasn’t activated because the true mastermind implanted false memories of her being the mastermind sometime between her revealing her cospox and the last trial
Tsumugi is underrated
She was actually my favorite character and then I became broken once I found out that she was the mastermind 😭
What's funny is that I thought it was weird that her and Keebo (my favorite characters) were alive for too long lol so it was sus to me
@@libracat2373 pain
I maxed out her social link or watever it is called
@@redziak1810 I also did the same. I feel you 😭 First character I maxed out too
@@libracat2373 i wanted to maxed out social link witch suichi in first chapter ):
I loved the ending......and that's that. Someone else would say something like "but I understand why others don't like it", but I don't think me liking this game is an exception to the rule nor that I should justify my point of view or make an excuse, like with that sentence.
What I'm getting at is that I like it and I think it is very good, and I wished more people would like it, as it's a very unique experience that you can take much from. (Don't know if I expressed myself correctly there)
I personally love danganronpa v3's ending as I personally don't believe we uncovered the truth and its possible we were wrong the main evidence pointing towards it being all lies was Tsumugi's inability to cosplay real people which to me is a little questionable. I feel personally its more likely she put something in the clothes of the other students (mind you she took Kaede's clothes) that she was allergic too. And in the end she was trying to use one of the many cover stories she prepared and chose the world is a lie.
Okay, I know I’m super late to the party, but I’ve just finished v3, and I’m trying to get my thoughts together before talking about it to my irl friends about it. There were aspects of it that I liked (like you said, that it actually felt like the rest of the game was leading to it), but overall I disliked it. It felt like the developers were so distracted by making Tsumugi turn into the past characters that they forgot to talk about any of the dead v3 characters aside from Kaede and Kaito. It felt like it dragged on too long, and though I’ll agree that a lot was happening, parts of it just like needless filler (like I was waiting for the Kubs to die the whole time and their presence really didn’t add anything, though that’s also a complaint to the whole game). I was hugely bothered by the audience presence. Kodaka can say all he wants that he wasn’t making a dig at real Danganronpa fans, but that is how it overwhelmingly comes off, and it could even be extended to being a jab at anyone who likes escapist or cathartic fiction. That, combined with the entirety of the “it’s a lie” twist felt like he was making fun of people who were invested in the storyline of the thing.
I don’t know, I’m probably just rambling and I don’t really expect anyone to read this, especially with how late I’m commenting, but the whole thing left me unsatisfied and with kind of a sour taste in my mouth in regards to the developers
I just finished the game and i think the ending is brilliant, though i feel like they should've waited a bit more till we got more entries to do something like this
So there's a pretty significant detail of this trial that I feel you forgot to mention, though it's a bit complicated so I'm not sure how many people have thought about it. Anyways, what really fascinates me about this ending is the fact that people act negatively about how the entire series was fictional, when in reality, we all knew this from the very beginning. Not the in-universe part, just that no one actually thought Danganronpa was based on a true story. What this ending does is that it's presented in an insanely clever way to make you forget a fact you never deemed significant in the first place.
The only thing I don't like about the ending is after Kokichi dies they like, never bring him again. Despite what a huge influence he was.
Same
What I dislike the most about V3's ending is the fact that it retconed the previous instalments of the franchise in the worst way possible. While, yes, Danganronpa is fictional in our world, it was real for the characters. I hate the idea that the first two Killing Games were nothing but actors following a script, and that they never really happened in the Danganronpa universe. While Tsumugi could have been lying about that, the possibility that she was not leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
However, this Chapter was not all bad. I liked revisiting the first Trial to discover that Keade was wrongly convicted. I also felt bad for Keebo when the audience took control over him.
I think after maki shuichi and himiko went back to the real world to live together happily in the broken real world
To me the only problem I have with V3's finale is with the trial itself, it way too fucking long and as you explained they reveal a lot of misteries at once on the player.
For example on Danganronpa 1's final trial first they focused on Mukuro Ikusaba murder being solved and then the big plot twist of the world being destroyed.
On Danganronpa 2 they go staright to the point, your'e in a virtual world, your character are horrible people in their real lives, their actions as the ultimate despairs, and finally their tough decision on leaving and letting Junko escape or not,etc
Not to mention they do reveal a lot of the interesting misteries early in the investigation.
In V3 it takes way too long to get to the point, its 2 hours of slow boring easily predictable twists(Kaede's retrial and Junko again as the fake-Mastermind was boring for me) it drags on and make the player tired, and then they finally get to the really good part with all the crazy reveals of everything being fictional.
In my opinion they could have at least revealed that Kaede was framed and that the world being destroyed was a lie in the investigation before the trial, thus giving us an early perception on Shuichi's plan to end the killing game and adding a mistery on what was to be revealed next.
Despite that, its an amazing finale.
Common, let's face it. Danganronpa V3 ending erases all the cringy "lore" from the 2 firsts games. And contrary to what everyone says, it's not just a "it was a show allong" turn of event. It ties everything together, and is honestly one of the best turn on the awefull "chose hope vs despair" trope.
I love the mastermind being just boring. She's the ultimate cosplayer, off course she doesn't have personnality, and she represents corporate entertainment perfectly.
People hate how it means that nothing mattered in the whole series. That's misunderstanding the whole point of the twist. It's a take on fiction itself, and how we're rooting for non existent characters, and how those still feel like true people with goals and ambition.
Without this twist, makoto and the others would still have been fictional characters without a soul, and the lore of danganronpa still is true "within" its own universe
I hope you guys remember that V3 takes place in a alternate universe lol
Wait it does ?
So there's a universe where everyone is alive?
@@marythekanarie5190 yes
@@royaleroque7716 probably so but V3 is an alternate universe
@@jay-yi9im Actually they exist in the same universe
The only beings that exist in an alternate universe is Tsumugi,the viewers and Team Danganronpa confirmed by Kodaka
To the people who think V3’s ending makes it all pointless: with or without that ending, Danganronpa would continue to be fictional in our world. Does that make it pointless?
It’s more the fact that all their actions where apparently pre detetmied
I wasn't too keen on the ending at first, since I thought that it de-valued everything the cast (and previous casts) went through. But after thinking about it for a bit, I realized: The concept of V3 is lying and there were very clear, and seemingly intentional, contradictions within Tsumugi's claims. Why should we take what Tsumugi says at face value when the series has been teaching us to expect lies at every corner?
I’m very glad I found this video. Because I am one of those people who genuinely didn’t like the ending to this game. I just finished V3 a couple days ago and am still sorting my thoughts out.
What I liked:
I am mutual in the ambiguous ending. I don’t hate it and it’s probably the strongest thing it has going for it. If we ever get a sequel, I’d argue that it should not build on the ending of V3 and ignore it like the rest. I also like the idea of rejecting blind hope even though it recontextualises the previous games’ messages as negative.
What I didn’t like:
It sounds dumb, but I generally dislike plot twists that argue, “none if this is real, so why should you care?” Because no duh, of course none of this is real. I find these plot twists pretentious and self destructive because it actively tells the audience to not care about its fictional narrative. I felt genuine apathy which quickly descended to annoyance during the mass panic debate.
I personally dislike Tsumugi’s character assassination. I saw her plot twist as the mastermind the moment the 5th case began because she didn’t have a single relevant moment. It didn’t help that she lacked Junko’s charisma and her weaponising the entire cast didn’t justify her presence.
The V3 ending seems to be as controversial today as it was a few years ago. I guess with that type of ending, it's expected. It's only been a few days for you so keep thinking about the ending to sort your feelings out. It took me about a month or so with how heavy it was
I feel that the controversy surrounding V3 will never disappear unless Danganronpa 4 comes out. Because V3’s ending would probably be addressed in some kind of manner. I just hope that if they do address it, they don’t dwell on it for too long or lollygag the answer just out of reach like a carrot on a stick.
I don’t feel genuine anger or “betrayal” from V3’s ending because it is kind of expected for all Danganronpa games to end in an over the top manner. Because the ending as a concept was written as best as it could.
I also think another reason the 6th case in every Danganronpa game is treated less favourably is because the 4th and 5th cases are generally considered the best ones. Because rather than trying to one up the 5th case, the 6th case normally tries something “different”.
Kaito definitely became my favourite character during the course of V3 and the fact that he wasn’t making it to the final case bummed me out. So maybe I was more critical of the final case than I should have been.
Even though it wasn't his intention since we have to outsource outside of the game to find the information that he wasn't insulting the players of the game, shows that the directing was great. Because that information should've been very clear in the game hence why it's still a bad ending. But for some reason i dont think v3 ending is that bad to me.
Something that I believe is kind of important that you forgot to mention is the way the game LITERALLY told us that we are getting more Danganronpa games ÒwÓ Honestly, I can't wait to see more of Rantaro and Keebo in the upcoming games!!
I feel like the concept of SDR2’s final chapter was cool but had horrible execution and plot holes (taking body parts from Junko when she was crushed, even if they took Mukuro’s body parts, most of her body was blown up), also it would’ve been cool to actually see the mastermind
I just need someone to convince me
Honestly I think some things in the v3 ending were lies mostly due to the Audition tapes. They conflict a lot with the prologue so I think the ending actually sets up more mysteries for possible future installments if the creators decide to continue it
honestly i hate it so much bc of keebo's death 😭 the end to his character was NOT satisfying at ALL and every time i'm reminded that he's gone i wanna kms 😭😭😭
Because of this ending, I was really happy they made Master Detective Archives a completly new series. A new Danganronpa-Game would have completly ruined this ending
As soon as I saw an audience member say "Shuichi looks yummy
the writers know their audience well