I'm interested in how much of a battle it was. Nekomaru appeared to be more of a Ryu style fighter than Ken fighter. I can't imagine it being much of a fight. Maybe I had to play/watch that section when Nagito flippantly says that comment, but I don't think it was as much as a battle as Gundham is letting on.
Alright: here's my take: Gundham's core belief is that one should not give up on life whatsoever. As such, I believe that he genuinely attempted to win the class trial, yet simultaneously, his motive for murder was to save everyone. That way, he puts himself in a win-win scenario that stays true to his beliefs: Scenario 1 is where Gundham wins the trial and everyone else dies. Gundham does intend to win, though I doubt he *wanted* everyone to die, he stayed true to his core belief. Scenario 2 is what happens. Gundham gets found out and everyone else gets to live. His beliefs are upheld because he fought his all in the trial, and effectively saved everyone's lives. So basically, Gundham intended to both escape and save everyone else. Aaaand as I'm typing this, I've gotten to the point where you are saying precisely this in the video. This kids, is why you should finish the video before commenting.
This. My specific interpretation is this.Gundham set up a plan that couldn't fail. 1.) Somebody goes with Nekomaru, ruins his inital plan and he just shrugs it off and doesn't become blackened. 2.) Gundham wins and lives. 3.) Gundham loses and his friends live.
Throughout the entirety of Gundham's FreeTime events, it's constantly re-enforced that Gundham is someone who will stick to his persona until the very end. He truly does believe he is evil and doesn't care about the others, but the truth is he cares lots and does a lot to make others happy. I believe Gundham was sacrificing himself (just like nekomaru) but he didn't want to break the persona he had created. Not only that but I believe he thought that if he did something so evil as to kill someone, then the others wouldn't feel sad when he would be executed (which wasn't the case). His ideals do play a part which is why I think he made the trial so difficult, but in Gundham's mind, his future was secured. He was to become the ruler of the underworld or whatever (lol) and though I do believe, deep down, he knew that wasn't true, he had fooled himself into believing he was evil no matter what. Sorry for the paragraph, can you tell gundham is my comfort character? Lol anyway sick video I love seeing new perspectives on Gundham
Gundham was a character who I enjoyed because of amusement but I didn’t appreciate his character until chapter 4. Chapter 4 is what made him my favourite character in all of Danganronpa, and I didn’t expect a comedic relief type character to have such an engaging and interesting view on morality and how his persona which at first I believed would just be for comedy would have such an important part of his story.
@@TriAzF DR2 is really great at subverting your expectations, in a good way. Character tropes get flipped upside down in ways that are really hard to see coming, and make for a great story. They're my favorite bunch in the series for exactly that reason.
That's exactly what I was thinking, tbh. That Gundham's just so lost in his persona that he refused to admit/accept that he performed an act of heroic self-sacrifice. Gundham: BEHOLD! MY GREATEST ACT OF VILLAINY, KILLING A MAN IN COLD BLOOD TO ENSURE THAT MY FRIENDS DON'T STARVE TO DEATH! TRULY I AM AN EVIL, EVIL MAN! FEAR ME! >:D Hajime: You saved us all, Gundham! You're a hero! Gundham: Oh goddammit, not again...
@Brysaun Pralour Agreed! I really enjoy their personalities and how they interact together. The writing for all of them was spot on too. I do think that DR2 has the best story out of the games, and the characters are a big part of that!
@@CJCroen1393 I wouldn't say lost in his persona, it's just that his persona is basically what everyone knows him for so breaking out of character wouldn't be fitting
Plot twist, In reality it was his four dark diva's of destructions plans all along, operating his body like a puppet while he slept, like how they did it in rattatoi. He awoke afterwards and had to cover for their crimes so that they not get executed. They were ethereal demons all along, angry at their lack of snack options. Fuhahahaha.
In my interpretation, Gundham hated the idea that his classmates had just accepted to starve to death. He believes that fighting for your life is much more honorable than giving up on it. If he just wanted to escape, he could have chosen any of the starving people as his victim. But he chose Nekomaru, a robot with superstrength, because he knew the Ultimate Team Manager wouldn't back down from a death batlle. Gundham's plan was so difficult to figure out for two reasons: 1. He couldn't purposefully create an easy mystery, because that's the same as not giving it his best to survive; 2. If his friends had to die, he thought it was best that they go down fighting, instead of giving up on their lives.
as the self proclaimed CEO of Gundham, I want to share some of my thoughts. the conclusion that Gundham wanted both outcomes is exactly what I thought for this entire time. this chapter makes Gundham's personality and ideologies shine as someone who hides himself in a fake persona, but deep down he's someone else. he's pretty much the definition of someone with a hard crust and soft core. the way he wanted to find a way to save everyone because he cared, but also didn't want to give up on his life for his beliefs, and then proceeded to stick to his persona so that no one would feel bad for him is just brilliant. AND it's also brilliant how he, even for a split second, acknowledges that someone was going to be sad after all: Sonia (highlighted in him asking her if she had regrets -implied of being his friend) and his hamsters (as we know from the monologue, even if here it's him mostly comforting them), which is why he had to reinforce his persona even more, because he probably also needed to reassure himself.. he's such a complicated character when you take a better look at him, honestly he's probably one of the best characters they made in the games for how he's structured.
In simple terms: No one should give up on life =not letting everyone die in the funhouse =fighting nekomaru =not revealing the truth immediately in the trial There are other features like Gundham's evil persona and not wanting the others to miss him, but at its core the whole point of Gundham's actions in this chapter was to show that life isn't something to give up on
Great perspective! This is actually why Gundham is one of my favorite characters, he's such an enigma. I share a similar perspective myself on the "debate" about his motives. Clearly he's someone who highly values life (even his Ultimate reflects this), and because of that, set up the murder in a way that no matter what happened, life would continue for someone. I do think he had every intention of winning the trial, hence why he doesn't confess, but when he loses, he doesn't really care because the rest get to live on. They fought, just like he wanted them to. Really, his ideals, and in a way, himself, would win no matter what the outcome was, whether he lived, or whether the others lived. Does that mean he didn't care for the others? I certainly don't see it that way, I think he did care, and that's why he didn't want them to die from starvation. If they were going to die, he wanted them to die fighting, just like himself. Having it any other way would've been a waste of their lives, in his perspective.
I also think that Gundam didn’t want to just give up and admit he killed, once again because of his beliefs, and if everyone wanted to survive he wanted them to prove it and fight for their right to live, just as he did.
I believe Gundham would have been fine with any outcome of the trial, whether he was found or not. He believes in living as much as he possibly can, so if he was found out, he tried his best. If he survived the trial, well then, he survived. I mean, he tried to disprove everyone’s assumptions at every turn, making everyone question the structure of the funhouse again, making them question if the killer even went to the octagon in the first place, he was trying really hard to get out. That stance on life is also why I think a suicide would have been out of character.
I totally feel like Gundham would have ran with it if nobody found out, but it does make sense that Gundham would totally not fight back if he was pointed out cause there is nothing he can do, and he knows that he has lost.
i think that gundham crafted his plan so that all possible outcomes could be considered positive. with the outcome we got, he saved near all of his classmates from their slow demise. if he got away with the crime, he would have successfully saved himself from the fun house and the killing game, although there may have been some guilt. if nekomaru bested him in battle but was executed, his classmates would still be saved from the fun house. if nekomaru beat him and got away with it, his almost "survival of the fittest" mentality would be proved true. note: the audio cut out for the last part if the video so if this was the point made in it my apologies ^^
I love Gundham so much because his character is an enigma, you don’t really know/understand most if not all of what he says because of his persona. But his beliefs are strong and in the end he did care for everyone!
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Also the fact that he went to “heaven” after his execution and didn’t even really kill Nekomaru more so set up Nekomaru to enviably die. (sticking to his ideology of not giving up on life; giving Nekomaru a SECOND chance to get out of the situation, if calm enough)
I would say that It wasnt a sacrifice at all. Gundham simply tried to follow his ideology of "the fittest survives". I think a general problem of the fandom is taking Gundham as if he sacrificed for everyone. In my opinion thats kinda ruining the character and his motive
This is exactly what I thought but you forgot to mention that in his free time events he has few friends but the friends that he does have he treasures
Gundham Tanaka put himself in the ultimate win win situation. Yes, Gundham did want his friends to fight for their lives but HE HIMSELF still strived to fight for his life as well. Had he lived, he’d be happy to be alive, but also be disappointed that his friends didn’t fight hard enough for their own lives. Had he died, yes inside he’s disappointed to be excecuted but he is also happy that his friends fought for their own lives to discover the truth. The only other one who understood this without an explanation was Nekumaru since he did decide to fight Gundham to the death.
Also, Gundham making that circle during his execution wasn’t him protecting his hamsters. That was Gundham believing in his dark powers and continuing to fight for his own life imo.
I believe Gundham did sacrifice himself but chose to continue to fight for life until the end, I think that is why he continued to try and prove his own innocence during the trial.
I always found it interesting that the hamsters were part of the method, rather than the motive. I remember wondering if there was any food for his hamsters in the funhouse. Getting out of the funhouse in order to keep his Devas alive could have worked, those little dudes are way more important to him than his classmates.
I think they did say Gundham's hamsters had food that only they could eat within the funhouse but I may be mistaken. If that's not correct the hamsters would indeed be a cool motive.
Gundam didnt want to give up on life, so he just set himself up for a win win situation. Couldnt stand to see everyone starve to death, but if ur going to risk ur life for everyone, u may as well at least have a go at trying to pave the way for ur own survival. That's basic human instinct, self preservation is an inevitable desire that takes extreme difficulty to ever overcome. Dying is a terrifying thought, of course he may as well at least try avoid ot as much as he can, even if it means hypothetically everyone else would die if he succeeded, that's just how brains work, and just bc hed technically cause it doesnt mean it wouldnt be suffering (kinda like a yttd spoiler but if u kno u kno) Anyways loved this video, very eye opening for all this shit, I love to see it
Largely agreed on the conclusion, though I do think it's overlooked that Nekomaru and Gundham both went into their fight not only accepting the possibility they'd both die for the class, but in the scenario that the culprit would win the trial, that *it was worth it to get them all out of the funhouse*. Not only did they both highly value life, but I think this says a lot about how they prioritize a *life worth living* over persistence out of obligation. Even if it got them all killed, it would (presumably) be swift instead of wasting away in anguish and torment. Gundham is the Ultimate Breeder, after all; unfortunately, that can involve culling animals with untreatable conditions to prevent extensive suffering and an agonizing natural death. Unpleasant, non-ideal, but not unkind. No matter what he tells himself.
I can understand your reason, but here’s what I think: Trying to be as unbiased as possible, The reason Gundham went through all that trouble to craft such a complex murder plan was his ideology itself. Never giving up on life. So if he were to make an easily solvable murder plan, or admit easily in the trial, it would be hypocritical. That’s my opinion though.
This is a really really good analysis of Gundham’s character!!! This is essentially the same conclusion I came to, really. That either way would work out for him
One of my biggest concerns about this whole murder is that Gundham claims he didn't just use his hamsters to press Mechamaru's sleep button, but that he has fought Nekomaru, and beaten him fair and square. How ? I mean, Gundham doesn't look particularly physically strong, though he looks quite agile, but Mechamaru is resistant enough to stand a bazooka shoot from Monokuma. Sure, Mechamaru does mention he's getting weaker since he's running out of batteries and forgot his charger, but Gundham was starving at the same moment. And in the Monokuma Tai Chi sessions, Mechamaru seemed to be performing pretty well despite his lack of battery. So I really wonder how on Earth did he beat Mechamaru. Does he really know dark magic ? Did he just lie and use his hamsters ?
You bring up a good point. I've never been able to understand that. If he has dark magic, I feel like that breaks the rules of the universe so I don't think it's that. It could be his agility that helped him win. Perhaps he didn't use his hamsters but was quicker than Nekomaru and was able to press the sleep button by himself. I'm not sure though as I haven't given it much thought and don't have good memory about what they said happened in the battle
Personally my take on this trial was that Gundham recognized that everyone was starving, and that someone had to kill, even if they didn’t want to. Monokuma would not waver in the rules of the game, and if nobody killed anyone, they would all suffer and die. I believe he decided to be the one to take action in his own way, not only out of want to escape, but out of mercy. Whether he was found out or not, the reality is that the slow suffering of starvation would end. Whether he died, or everyone else died. This fits with his ideology because by everyone choosing to starve and still spare eachother, they had already all given up on living, which is blasphemy to him. He did what he had to so everyone could move forward, no matter who had to die for the others in the process.
I think that his magic circle was a metaphor for him protecting hamsters during his execution even if it wasn't done by his magic for me it still shows that he was trying to do everything he could even at the most stresfull moment of his life
Here's my interpretation, based on what he says post-trial: he hoped the trial would give everyone the motivation to fight for their lives once more. After everyone had given up from the funhouse, both he and Nekomaru knew that restoring their will again, their hope for life, would not be a simple matter. Either could kill themselves, but that wouldn't rip everyone out of their defeated state, rather only reinforce it. "We escaped from here because Gundham/Nekomaru gave up. Guess we may as well just... go from day to day now. If we die whatever." Neither could accept that everyone was like that, especially Akane for Nekomaru and Sonia for Gundham. Both hated to see the others in the state they were. So, they both knew that they could only help everyone escape if they made them fight for their lives once more. Gundham created the perfect scenario for either one of them to fulfil that role, and both were happy to play their parts. Gundham believes giving up on life is an insult to life itself, so he couldn't sacrifice himself for their lives. He needed to sacrifice himself for their will to live. Even the death itself was the two fighting for their lives, which is why Gundham was so insulted by Nagito saying he didn't fight Nekomaru: because that aspect was crucial for getting everyone to move forwards once more. They served as examples. If everyone learnt how to move forwards once more, he was happy to admit to his crime. If everyone still didn't fight for their lives even when their survival was so close, he would have rather lived himself.
I think so. But I remember the game mentioning he needed a certain type of fuel to survive so it depends on if he had unlimited fuel within the fun house
if you think about it if he just didn't set anything up except the alarm he would've been able to get to his room in time and i think that when gundam says that his hamsters reached the button i just think that mechamaru knew that everyone else would eventually starve so he does what ryoma does in v3 he lets gundam kill him
Can we talk about the fact that Gundham SHOULDN'T be the blackened of this case? He just set up Nekomaru to die. Nekomaru woke up and squirmed to kill himself. Oh, Gundham masterminded the kill, and therefore it's his fault and therefore he's the blackened? Then that means NAGITO should be the blackened and not Chiaki.
Monokuma was bending a lot of rules at the time though, for example seriously considering Peko as a tool used to kill rather than the killer. This makes a lot of sense when you think about the masterminds main goal which was to get as many students to die as possible so that she can possess their bodies.
I mean, Gundham still put him on that situaton, you can't rule that as a suicidie considering someone prepared it to begin with, Nagito's case has literally Chiaki throwing the poison at him, no matter how you look at it, he still got killed by her
@@sardonicus1739 yeah the whole tool thing was pretty lame (i doubt someone took that seriously, tho it was used for a really good execution) regardless it's the person that actually kills that gets cucked regardless of the mind behind it, i mean the exact same thing happened also on V3, so nothing surprisingly, those were always the rules
@@etam8099 well, Nagito prepared the weapon to be grabbed by the traitor. I'm not saying Mechamaru CHOSE to react how he did, but waking up startled and screaming is a death as a result of his own actions.
@@PhilPower134 Chiaki still grabbed that wepaon and thrown it at him, the one who pulled the trigger was still her, Nekomaru's situation would have been resulted in a death no matter what, dude just accelerated his death, the doorknob would have fallen anyway, since we can't say the doorknob was the killer lol, the dude who put him on that doorknob which would have fall at some point is the killer, Nekomaru didn't had a choice here
He's one of my favourite DR2 characters. Despite making a video on Gundham, I don't like Gundham too much as a character honestly and I prefer Kazuichi a lot more.
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I think that Nekomaru doesn't get credited enough for being part of the sacrifice
Completely agree, really love Nekomaru as a character
This
But sense he fought with the intent to kill, he certainly understood the situation and accepted it, at least that's how I see it.
There's certainly a timeline where Nekomaru won, they both knew they had to kill the other
I'm interested in how much of a battle it was. Nekomaru appeared to be more of a Ryu style fighter than Ken fighter. I can't imagine it being much of a fight. Maybe I had to play/watch that section when Nagito flippantly says that comment, but I don't think it was as much as a battle as Gundham is letting on.
Alright: here's my take:
Gundham's core belief is that one should not give up on life whatsoever. As such, I believe that he genuinely attempted to win the class trial, yet simultaneously, his motive for murder was to save everyone. That way, he puts himself in a win-win scenario that stays true to his beliefs:
Scenario 1 is where Gundham wins the trial and everyone else dies. Gundham does intend to win, though I doubt he *wanted* everyone to die, he stayed true to his core belief.
Scenario 2 is what happens. Gundham gets found out and everyone else gets to live. His beliefs are upheld because he fought his all in the trial, and effectively saved everyone's lives.
So basically, Gundham intended to both escape and save everyone else.
Aaaand as I'm typing this, I've gotten to the point where you are saying precisely this in the video. This kids, is why you should finish the video before commenting.
This.
My specific interpretation is this.Gundham set up a plan that couldn't fail.
1.) Somebody goes with Nekomaru, ruins his inital plan and he just shrugs it off and doesn't become blackened.
2.) Gundham wins and lives.
3.) Gundham loses and his friends live.
Gundham is gr8
Im really glad someone understands this. Gundham is my favorite character
Throughout the entirety of Gundham's FreeTime events, it's constantly re-enforced that Gundham is someone who will stick to his persona until the very end. He truly does believe he is evil and doesn't care about the others, but the truth is he cares lots and does a lot to make others happy. I believe Gundham was sacrificing himself (just like nekomaru) but he didn't want to break the persona he had created. Not only that but I believe he thought that if he did something so evil as to kill someone, then the others wouldn't feel sad when he would be executed (which wasn't the case). His ideals do play a part which is why I think he made the trial so difficult, but in Gundham's mind, his future was secured. He was to become the ruler of the underworld or whatever (lol) and though I do believe, deep down, he knew that wasn't true, he had fooled himself into believing he was evil no matter what.
Sorry for the paragraph, can you tell gundham is my comfort character? Lol anyway sick video I love seeing new perspectives on Gundham
Gundham was a character who I enjoyed because of amusement but I didn’t appreciate his character until chapter 4. Chapter 4 is what made him my favourite character in all of Danganronpa, and I didn’t expect a comedic relief type character to have such an engaging and interesting view on morality and how his persona which at first I believed would just be for comedy would have such an important part of his story.
@@TriAzF DR2 is really great at subverting your expectations, in a good way. Character tropes get flipped upside down in ways that are really hard to see coming, and make for a great story. They're my favorite bunch in the series for exactly that reason.
That's exactly what I was thinking, tbh. That Gundham's just so lost in his persona that he refused to admit/accept that he performed an act of heroic self-sacrifice.
Gundham: BEHOLD! MY GREATEST ACT OF VILLAINY, KILLING A MAN IN COLD BLOOD TO ENSURE THAT MY FRIENDS DON'T STARVE TO DEATH! TRULY I AM AN EVIL, EVIL MAN! FEAR ME! >:D
Hajime: You saved us all, Gundham! You're a hero!
Gundham: Oh goddammit, not again...
@Brysaun Pralour Agreed! I really enjoy their personalities and how they interact together. The writing for all of them was spot on too. I do think that DR2 has the best story out of the games, and the characters are a big part of that!
@@CJCroen1393 I wouldn't say lost in his persona, it's just that his persona is basically what everyone knows him for so breaking out of character wouldn't be fitting
Plot twist, In reality it was his four dark diva's of destructions plans all along, operating his body like a puppet while he slept, like how they did it in rattatoi. He awoke afterwards and had to cover for their crimes so that they not get executed. They were ethereal demons all along, angry at their lack of snack options. Fuhahahaha.
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In my interpretation, Gundham hated the idea that his classmates had just accepted to starve to death. He believes that fighting for your life is much more honorable than giving up on it. If he just wanted to escape, he could have chosen any of the starving people as his victim. But he chose Nekomaru, a robot with superstrength, because he knew the Ultimate Team Manager wouldn't back down from a death batlle.
Gundham's plan was so difficult to figure out for two reasons: 1. He couldn't purposefully create an easy mystery, because that's the same as not giving it his best to survive; 2. If his friends had to die, he thought it was best that they go down fighting, instead of giving up on their lives.
as the self proclaimed CEO of Gundham, I want to share some of my thoughts.
the conclusion that Gundham wanted both outcomes is exactly what I thought for this entire time.
this chapter makes Gundham's personality and ideologies shine as someone who hides himself in a fake persona, but deep down he's someone else.
he's pretty much the definition of someone with a hard crust and soft core.
the way he wanted to find a way to save everyone because he cared, but also didn't want to give up on his life for his beliefs, and then proceeded to stick to his persona so that no one would feel bad for him is just brilliant.
AND it's also brilliant how he, even for a split second, acknowledges that someone was going to be sad after all: Sonia (highlighted in him asking her if she had regrets -implied of being his friend) and his hamsters (as we know from the monologue, even if here it's him mostly comforting them), which is why he had to reinforce his persona even more, because he probably also needed to reassure himself..
he's such a complicated character when you take a better look at him, honestly he's probably one of the best characters they made in the games for how he's structured.
In simple terms:
No one should give up on life
=not letting everyone die in the funhouse
=fighting nekomaru
=not revealing the truth immediately in the trial
There are other features like Gundham's evil persona and not wanting the others to miss him, but at its core the whole point of Gundham's actions in this chapter was to show that life isn't something to give up on
Great perspective! This is actually why Gundham is one of my favorite characters, he's such an enigma. I share a similar perspective myself on the "debate" about his motives. Clearly he's someone who highly values life (even his Ultimate reflects this), and because of that, set up the murder in a way that no matter what happened, life would continue for someone.
I do think he had every intention of winning the trial, hence why he doesn't confess, but when he loses, he doesn't really care because the rest get to live on. They fought, just like he wanted them to. Really, his ideals, and in a way, himself, would win no matter what the outcome was, whether he lived, or whether the others lived.
Does that mean he didn't care for the others? I certainly don't see it that way, I think he did care, and that's why he didn't want them to die from starvation. If they were going to die, he wanted them to die fighting, just like himself. Having it any other way would've been a waste of their lives, in his perspective.
Gundham is literally my favourite anime character of all time,nothing is changing my mind
I also think that Gundam didn’t want to just give up and admit he killed, once again because of his beliefs, and if everyone wanted to survive he wanted them to prove it and fight for their right to live, just as he did.
Agreed
I believe Gundham would have been fine with any outcome of the trial, whether he was found or not. He believes in living as much as he possibly can, so if he was found out, he tried his best. If he survived the trial, well then, he survived. I mean, he tried to disprove everyone’s assumptions at every turn, making everyone question the structure of the funhouse again, making them question if the killer even went to the octagon in the first place, he was trying really hard to get out. That stance on life is also why I think a suicide would have been out of character.
Kazuichi's my favorite DR boy.
brooo i love him too
Ayy same
Same tho
Same as well as gundham
I totally feel like Gundham would have ran with it if nobody found out, but it does make sense that Gundham would totally not fight back if he was pointed out cause there is nothing he can do, and he knows that he has lost.
i think that gundham crafted his plan so that all possible outcomes could be considered positive. with the outcome we got, he saved near all of his classmates from their slow demise. if he got away with the crime, he would have successfully saved himself from the fun house and the killing game, although there may have been some guilt. if nekomaru bested him in battle but was executed, his classmates would still be saved from the fun house. if nekomaru beat him and got away with it, his almost "survival of the fittest" mentality would be proved true.
note: the audio cut out for the last part if the video so if this was the point made in it my apologies ^^
OoO I like the addition of those outcomes, it adds more weight to this theory!
I love Gundham so much because his character is an enigma, you don’t really know/understand most if not all of what he says because of his persona. But his beliefs are strong and in the end he did care for everyone!
It's weird that 4th cases always have the big buff characters die.
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Outside of character, I find the analysis interesting and complete. I've been a subscriber for a long time, and I don't regret it. Apart from knowing more about danganronpa, I learn more English (I'm from Mexico, greetings to our northern neighbors!). Continue like this :D
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I like this conclusion a lot more then most other ones
Also the fact that he went to “heaven” after his execution and didn’t even really kill Nekomaru more so set up Nekomaru to enviably die. (sticking to his ideology of not giving up on life; giving Nekomaru a SECOND chance to get out of the situation, if calm enough)
I mean that's still killing
I would say that It wasnt a sacrifice at all. Gundham simply tried to follow his ideology of "the fittest survives". I think a general problem of the fandom is taking Gundham as if he sacrificed for everyone. In my opinion thats kinda ruining the character and his motive
Doesn't he admit to the murder early on when he says he was the ultimate weapon that killed nekomaru
This is exactly what I thought but you forgot to mention that in his free time events he has few friends but the friends that he does have he treasures
Gundham Tanaka put himself in the ultimate win win situation. Yes, Gundham did want his friends to fight for their lives but HE HIMSELF still strived to fight for his life as well. Had he lived, he’d be happy to be alive, but also be disappointed that his friends didn’t fight hard enough for their own lives. Had he died, yes inside he’s disappointed to be excecuted but he is also happy that his friends fought for their own lives to discover the truth. The only other one who understood this without an explanation was Nekumaru since he did decide to fight Gundham to the death.
Also, Gundham making that circle during his execution wasn’t him protecting his hamsters. That was Gundham believing in his dark powers and continuing to fight for his own life imo.
@@jusan_tinos I never thought it was. That was just a rumor that the fan base made up
@@DerpyHiro oh ya, I was more talking to the rest of the comments section.
I believe Gundham did sacrifice himself but chose to continue to fight for life until the end, I think that is why he continued to try and prove his own innocence during the trial.
My Conclusion: Gundham was just being Gundham
I always found it interesting that the hamsters were part of the method, rather than the motive. I remember wondering if there was any food for his hamsters in the funhouse. Getting out of the funhouse in order to keep his Devas alive could have worked, those little dudes are way more important to him than his classmates.
I think they did say Gundham's hamsters had food that only they could eat within the funhouse but I may be mistaken. If that's not correct the hamsters would indeed be a cool motive.
Gundam didnt want to give up on life, so he just set himself up for a win win situation. Couldnt stand to see everyone starve to death, but if ur going to risk ur life for everyone, u may as well at least have a go at trying to pave the way for ur own survival. That's basic human instinct, self preservation is an inevitable desire that takes extreme difficulty to ever overcome. Dying is a terrifying thought, of course he may as well at least try avoid ot as much as he can, even if it means hypothetically everyone else would die if he succeeded, that's just how brains work, and just bc hed technically cause it doesnt mean it wouldnt be suffering (kinda like a yttd spoiler but if u kno u kno)
Anyways loved this video, very eye opening for all this shit, I love to see it
Largely agreed on the conclusion, though I do think it's overlooked that Nekomaru and Gundham both went into their fight not only accepting the possibility they'd both die for the class, but in the scenario that the culprit would win the trial, that *it was worth it to get them all out of the funhouse*. Not only did they both highly value life, but I think this says a lot about how they prioritize a *life worth living* over persistence out of obligation. Even if it got them all killed, it would (presumably) be swift instead of wasting away in anguish and torment. Gundham is the Ultimate Breeder, after all; unfortunately, that can involve culling animals with untreatable conditions to prevent extensive suffering and an agonizing natural death. Unpleasant, non-ideal, but not unkind. No matter what he tells himself.
I love your point of view
I can understand your reason, but here’s what I think:
Trying to be as unbiased as possible, The reason Gundham went through all that trouble to craft such a complex murder plan was his ideology itself. Never giving up on life. So if he were to make an easily solvable murder plan, or admit easily in the trial, it would be hypocritical. That’s my opinion though.
This is how I interpreted Gundham's trial also. Good video.
This is a really really good analysis of Gundham’s character!!! This is essentially the same conclusion I came to, really. That either way would work out for him
I love gundham so much
I can't believe this case and things in it needs any explainations
2-4 is the King Crimson of Danganronpa
In my opinion it gives off Mondo vibes. Once doing the kill they dont out right admit to it. That doesn't make them a bad person.
I guessed since nekomaru was a robot gundham felt he wasn't a human so it was okay lol
I agree with your viewpoint! I love this :3
One of my biggest concerns about this whole murder is that Gundham claims he didn't just use his hamsters to press Mechamaru's sleep button, but that he has fought Nekomaru, and beaten him fair and square. How ?
I mean, Gundham doesn't look particularly physically strong, though he looks quite agile, but Mechamaru is resistant enough to stand a bazooka shoot from Monokuma. Sure, Mechamaru does mention he's getting weaker since he's running out of batteries and forgot his charger, but Gundham was starving at the same moment. And in the Monokuma Tai Chi sessions, Mechamaru seemed to be performing pretty well despite his lack of battery.
So I really wonder how on Earth did he beat Mechamaru. Does he really know dark magic ? Did he just lie and use his hamsters ?
You bring up a good point. I've never been able to understand that. If he has dark magic, I feel like that breaks the rules of the universe so I don't think it's that. It could be his agility that helped him win. Perhaps he didn't use his hamsters but was quicker than Nekomaru and was able to press the sleep button by himself. I'm not sure though as I haven't given it much thought and don't have good memory about what they said happened in the battle
I thought he was just bored and then got a lot of (respectful) backlash and I learned my lesson
Personally my take on this trial was that Gundham recognized that everyone was starving, and that someone had to kill, even if they didn’t want to. Monokuma would not waver in the rules of the game, and if nobody killed anyone, they would all suffer and die. I believe he decided to be the one to take action in his own way, not only out of want to escape, but out of mercy. Whether he was found out or not, the reality is that the slow suffering of starvation would end. Whether he died, or everyone else died.
This fits with his ideology because by everyone choosing to starve and still spare eachother, they had already all given up on living, which is blasphemy to him. He did what he had to so everyone could move forward, no matter who had to die for the others in the process.
I like his hamtaro references and that's it
I feel like hifumis good side goes into Gundam but his bad side goes into teruteru
I think that his magic circle was a metaphor for him protecting hamsters during his execution even if it wasn't done by his magic for me it still shows that he was trying to do everything he could even at the most stresfull moment of his life
Gundham is a lovable meme lord
Here's my interpretation, based on what he says post-trial: he hoped the trial would give everyone the motivation to fight for their lives once more. After everyone had given up from the funhouse, both he and Nekomaru knew that restoring their will again, their hope for life, would not be a simple matter. Either could kill themselves, but that wouldn't rip everyone out of their defeated state, rather only reinforce it. "We escaped from here because Gundham/Nekomaru gave up. Guess we may as well just... go from day to day now. If we die whatever." Neither could accept that everyone was like that, especially Akane for Nekomaru and Sonia for Gundham. Both hated to see the others in the state they were. So, they both knew that they could only help everyone escape if they made them fight for their lives once more. Gundham created the perfect scenario for either one of them to fulfil that role, and both were happy to play their parts. Gundham believes giving up on life is an insult to life itself, so he couldn't sacrifice himself for their lives. He needed to sacrifice himself for their will to live. Even the death itself was the two fighting for their lives, which is why Gundham was so insulted by Nagito saying he didn't fight Nekomaru: because that aspect was crucial for getting everyone to move forwards once more. They served as examples. If everyone learnt how to move forwards once more, he was happy to admit to his crime. If everyone still didn't fight for their lives even when their survival was so close, he would have rather lived himself.
i like your POV, i was one of the ones who believed he sacrificed himself but I prefer your pov now
Off topic, but if everyone just starved, wouldn't nekomaru still be alive, because he's now a robot and robots don't need to eat?
I think so. But I remember the game mentioning he needed a certain type of fuel to survive so it depends on if he had unlimited fuel within the fun house
if you think about it if he just didn't set anything up except the alarm he would've been able to get to his room in time and i think that when gundam says that his hamsters reached the button i just think that mechamaru knew that everyone else would eventually starve so he does what ryoma does in v3 he lets gundam kill him
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naw that side was teruteru people actually like kazuichi
It's closer to Kazuichi than Teruteru. Teruteru takes it to another level
Expose the 2 dislikes
Hey can you make what if keade survived this is differently off topic
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Well Accidental Though..
Can we talk about the fact that Gundham SHOULDN'T be the blackened of this case? He just set up Nekomaru to die. Nekomaru woke up and squirmed to kill himself.
Oh, Gundham masterminded the kill, and therefore it's his fault and therefore he's the blackened? Then that means NAGITO should be the blackened and not Chiaki.
Monokuma was bending a lot of rules at the time though, for example seriously considering Peko as a tool used to kill rather than the killer. This makes a lot of sense when you think about the masterminds main goal which was to get as many students to die as possible so that she can possess their bodies.
I mean, Gundham still put him on that situaton, you can't rule that as a suicidie considering someone prepared it to begin with, Nagito's case has literally Chiaki throwing the poison at him, no matter how you look at it, he still got killed by her
@@sardonicus1739 yeah the whole tool thing was pretty lame (i doubt someone took that seriously, tho it was used for a really good execution) regardless it's the person that actually kills that gets cucked regardless of the mind behind it, i mean the exact same thing happened also on V3, so nothing surprisingly, those were always the rules
@@etam8099 well, Nagito prepared the weapon to be grabbed by the traitor. I'm not saying Mechamaru CHOSE to react how he did, but waking up startled and screaming is a death as a result of his own actions.
@@PhilPower134 Chiaki still grabbed that wepaon and thrown it at him, the one who pulled the trigger was still her, Nekomaru's situation would have been resulted in a death no matter what, dude just accelerated his death, the doorknob would have fallen anyway, since we can't say the doorknob was the killer lol, the dude who put him on that doorknob which would have fall at some point is the killer, Nekomaru didn't had a choice here
What is your honest thoughts on Kaz anyway?
He's one of my favourite DR2 characters. Despite making a video on Gundham, I don't like Gundham too much as a character honestly and I prefer Kazuichi a lot more.
@@DerpyHiro Ooh intresting
I am accidentally early. But ngl this is interesting so I'm gonna watch
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