Case 3 similarity: Celeste: BECAUSE BECAUSE BECAUSEEE!!! Mikan: NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIIIIR- huh? huh? huh? huuuuh? Korekiyo: APOLOGIZE APOLOGIZE APOLOGIIIZE!!!
@@deepseabubble1745 Since Celestia killed Hifumi she gets the rewards that Hifumi would’ve gotten if he’d survive basically like in murder mystery when the sheriff died someone else gets the gun
I hate how it's always one person who committed both. It would be genuinely interesting to see how the characters would react having to live among a murderer after the trial is said and done.
@☽︎ 𝕄0ꇙꇙ ☾︎ 1. Technically, it's the second game. The Tragedy of Hope's Peak Academy was the trial run for the mutual killing game, where the student council (plus Izuru) killed each other. 2. Don't make them feel bad about themselves just because they don't think they can write. Maybe Sho was done badly. I honestly don't care, she's still my favorite character so far in the series (currently rivaling with K1-B0 and Kokichi tho) and split personality serial killers are a whole trope. Is it degrading? Yes, I'm not arguing with that. Is Sho still a good character? Idk what you think, but I'd say yes. All the characters have different reactions to living amongst a serial killer, Sho has different reaction to the characters, and she spices everything up a bit. Sure, her reveal was a bit forced by Byakuya, but she ended up being good in the end. (And UDG would have been rather plain without her.)
That right there is honestly my biggest problem with Danganronpa V3. They set up such an interesting potential storyline with the whole rule that in the case of two different killers only the first becomes the blackned yet they don't go through with it. Imagine a chapter 4 where the survivors also had to deal with a confirmed killer in their midst. Instead it just turned out the same killer who you figure out halfway through the trial essentially making the second half a complete waste of time.
@@plutonash2545 I just don't see the writers of DG display that level of nuance in any other cases or characters, I don't believe in the writers enough to believe in the cool suicidal Celeste theory :(
True. She acted way too over-the-top and the anime somehow made it worse with the camera. Like, she's supposed to be so good that she could even deceive the viewers. At least Mikan was hard to believe as a killer, even though she also made it pretty obvious.
Kork:comes up with a perfect locked room mystery, literally has to do nothing else for a good chance at winning the trial Kork Brain: “Do the seesaw trick”
In case 2-3 I never understood why Mikan had pulled down the paper to show Hiyoko’s corpse. They never would’ve noticed it if she hadn’t pulled it off, so they wouldn’t have found the body.
I think it would've been really interesting if they discovered Hiyoko during the investigation, like they looked behind the curtain for evidence and then they found her.
Maybe we could have San-D make the discovery by accident. Just have him (they never really give a gender, so I'll just refer to it as a male) helping Gundham with looking for hidden evidence, only for him to crawl under and behind the wallpaper; have Hiyoko's body be discovered that way.
@@newbiegamelover4767 Like after San-D comes back out they're just sad and Gundham's like "this curtain contains evil energy that must be expelled" or smth and they pull it back and its just dead Hiyoko. I'm pretty sure that Hiyoko not being revealed until later would be both shocking and make the case more realistic, if only slightly.
@@creppruby I would have rather had this because when you think more about the murder, unless Mikan was secretly the ultimate track runner which is a stretch for even that talent it's near impossible for her to pull down Hiyoko's body. Think about it, there was a time span of less than 10 minutes, so around nine. Hajime left to get the others which would be around 5-7 minutes, so Mikan pulled the wallpaper off, folded and put it back in the storage, broke a camera, glued a door completely shut, and left to meet up with Fuyuhiko in that time. Doesn't that seem a bit impossible? Especially making sure a door is completely glued shut. Let's not forget it may have taken less time as she had to search with Fuyuhiko for Ibuki before. It's unrealistic, I feel like San-D discovering the body with Gundham by accident is much better.
I just realised this but Celestia is technically the only character who planned on having 2 victims she planned for Taka and Hifumi to die, whilst Mikan only planned on Ibuki dying, and Korekiyo only planned on whoever went into the center of the circle whilst Hiyoko and Angie were accidental victims
@@HeyKechi I never said Tenko was an accidental victim Hiyoko and Angie are accidental, Korekiyo only planned for 1 person to die and he didnt care who it was
@@zookeeps1340 I was replying to a different comment and correcting them about the accidental victims, not you but the comment was deleted. Sorry for the confusion lmao
But nobody asked Sakura to kill herself... it depends on how monokuma would see it, and since Ibuki can't control that I think it would be considered a murder
@@matheuscavalcante5503 isn’t it ‘Whoever did the final blow is the blackened’? Even if Mikan told Ibuki to kill herself, ibuki would be considered the blackened because she did the final blow. Words can’t kill people, well in this case anyway.
@@HeyKechi but wouldn't it be like in Dr2 trial 2. Monocular considered that if someone was used to kill someone (like a tool) then they wouldn't be the culprit since they would have no control. In Ibuki's case, she wouldn't have any control if Mikan told her to kill herself since she had the despair disease, so I don't think that she would be the culprit.
Also what I don’t get is that Korekiyo has gotten away with 100 murders. He is incredibly experienced with getting away with murder, but he gets caught, freaks out, doesn’t even try hard enough to hide it, and ultimately gets executed. This is the type of messed up logic we’re taking bout
korekiyo's backstory was so poorly explained by the writers, i had to go on his fkn wiki page to realize his sister manipulated/abused him into thinking the way he did
No it isn't poorly explained, it is something that couldn't be explained. In an extreme case like his you'd almost never recognize it. He isn't going to say that because he doesn't think it, because he was the victim. To have this info makes it incredibly obvious he is the murderer as the more personal life info the more likely we find out he did 100 murders by proxy and figure out he is the guilty party. Adding this to the trial does nothing as he'd simply deny it being so deep into it. For them to add it requires them to artificially force him to realize it which would be far worse.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 ok, i see where you’re coming from. i wasn’t expecting him to come to a sudden realization or anything like that during the trial. with a situation & character like this it would be hard to tip off the audience in a smooth way. danganronpa already had some weird unnecessarily incest-y situations (leon’s cousin having a crush on him, mukuro & junko) so at first i thought they were just tacking on that he was “in love” with his sister for shock value. then when i read up on korekiyo it became more and more obvious what was going on, so maybe it wasn’t as bad as i thought when i played through (like 5 years ago) if they had actually done something with the idea of “if two people kill before a trial only the first one to do it gets executed” that they introduced in the trial they could have had korekiyo live past this trial and dropped more hints or something
V3’s third case had a lot of missed potential there purely from the way they teased the possibility of a second culprit and what would happen. I would’ve loved to see the chemistry shift in the cast if someone else DID kill Angie, and they had to keep living with Korekiyo. That being said, with Kiyo’s freak out and the ending of the case, it remains one of my favorites because I do actually feel a great deal of sympathy towards him. Many people don’t seem to see it, but I believe his sister heavily manipulated and even groomed him, and if she hadn’t had such a great effect on him, I don’t think he would have killed in the first place. Not to mention that his execution made me so, so sad for him.
Right like imagine living with Korekiyo knowing he killed someone, that just had sooooo much potential to make the story rlly interesting, but I guess they only wanted kokichi to be the “antagonist” since having two would be a pain lol
@@rainischalk-late3540 Yeah, but they didn’t have to make Kiyo the antag if he had lived, or at least make him a minor one compared to Kokichi or even have the two work together (though unlikely given Kokichi hates killers). Kiyo being alive could’ve possibly caused a lot of distrust between everyone and Kiyo would be pushed away and would just cause a lot of interesting dynamics. There could even be a plot point where Kiyo knows something important but no one trusts him which would leave the cast in a worse situation because they didn’t listen to him. Kiyo is the character I’m most pissed died because he’s one of my favs and the rule made it seem a killer would live. Having Kiyo be both Angie’s and Tenko’s killer other than just Tenko’s felt lazy too me and I will not stop being mad about it.
@@pn2294 but wasn't it so stupid when he went from "I'm not gonna die because I didn't kill Angie" to "oh no I'm panicking" within 2 minutes? When I first watched it, what I thought was "wow, that's stupid". They could definitely make him fight back a bit, and I was pissed of when they didn't :/
My biggest thing against 3rd trials is how one victim is ALWAYS sidelined. There's always one victim who didn't need to be there, could've been replaced with almost any other character, and doesn't get that much focus in the trial itself. I generally prefer when there's a reason for a particular blackened and victim. You can't replace the victim or killer in any of the DR 2nd trials, as the murders are unique to the characters involved. But with 3rd cases, at least one death is so impersonal to the character. Plus, with how complex 3rd trials are, their is no time to explore the emotional response to the death (excluding DR3's third trial). It sucks to see a character you like seemingly be thrown away and nobody in the game has time to really care about said loss. For me, DR1 is the worst when it comes to this. I know the series is all about despair and all, but it almost feels sadistic to murder Ishimaru like that, when he'd reached his utterly lowest moment. Then, there's absolutly no time to even mourn him for a second, even Hifumi gets a few seconds of mourning. Ishimaru is kinda just...there. Not being important when he had so much potential. It's like shooting a puppy with a broken leg; at some point, I kinda just feel sad more than intrested in how it happened.
Ishimaru had potential to grow as a character after his closest friend Mondo butter died, but unfortunately the writers HAD to kill someone else, but I still feel like the third trial of the second game does it way worser since literally the writers ALSO threw Hiyoko away, her character had potential to grow after her closest friend Mahiru died, but nope :/
@@rainischalk-late3540 I will go to my grave saying that Taka should've lived instead of Hiro and Hiyoko should've lived instead of Sonia Firstly, it makes NO SENSE to frame Hiro instead of Taka and doing so makes Celete look like a moron. I mean, given the facts of the case (Hifumi and another person killed by someone in a 'Robo Justice" suit), who would you suspect more? The guy who's obsessed with rules, has been very mentally unstable, is known for his intensity and has been replecating the manurisms in a killer for the last several days? Or the cowardly dude who's been chill most of the game? Plus, Taka has a reason to kill Hifumi, while Hiro has no grudge against Taka nor Hifumi. It just makes WAY MORE SENSE to frame Taka. All this alone is enough to justify keeping Taka alive, but I haven't even adressed the fact that seeing his character develope would simply be more intresting than what we got with Hiro. Taka's such a fun character who gets wasted. And Hiyoko! I'll admit that I don't like her much (I do prefer Sonia), but even I think she should've lived. She had so much development potential and she really would've rounded the surviving cast out well. As is, the cast as too many comedic characters (Sonia, Akane, and Kazuichi). Swapping her with Sonia would fix that and allow her to develope. Plus, she'd be forced to intreract with Fuyu more. Sonia doesn't really get to do much throughout the game, so killing her wouldn't be too hard. I do like her interactions with Gundham however, so I'd kill her in chapter 4. Let's say Nekomaru and Ibuki die in CH3, then Gundham kills Sonia in CH4. Hell, maybe Sonia ASKS Gundham to kill her so that everyone else can escape. It would finally put her talent to use, as the Ultimate Princess should be willing to die for her people (or friends in this case).
The chapter 3 victims sometimes only have focus on one victim, like Hifumi, Ibuki, and Tenko like you said in the video. THEY DIDN’T EVEN EXPLAIN HIYOKO’S MURDER WEAPON.
It’s implied that it was a knife (if I’m not mistaken) but my biggest problem with it is why Mikan would bring a knife,she didn’t need to,and it wasn’t found either
From what I heard, Hiyoko was a very last minutde descision, as I believe Fuyuhiko was meant to die originally. That’s probably why Hiyoko was so rushed.
Korekiyo is still one of my favorite danganronpa characters. I don't see him as incestuous, because that's not who he is. He was emotionally manipulated by his sister in her final moments, and only wanted to make her happy. You know how people have daddy/mommy issues due to trauma? Yeah well, try sister issues.
@@GxGNoir His free time events are only interests in anthropology. You have to actually look into him. Regardless, if you only see him as an incestuous character, this conversation is over.
@@citrineshark9240 ...I literally never said I only see him as an incestuous character I’m just trying to have a conversation about his character. He was my favorite character up until the third trial. I have heard many times that he was abused and brainwashed by his sister, but I have no idea where the basis for that belief comes from. If this is truly true, that makes the third trial even worse for not going into that and instead making him out to be an unsympathetic monster like all third trials do
@Tenko Chabashira Yeah I do feel some sort of sympathy for them each. Celeste was living her life as a lie and took it to the extreme too late to turn back, Mikan was at her remnant of despair faze where she had no control of her persona and Korekiyo was groomed and sexually manipulated by his older sister
i just hate that mikan's execution is like that. she deserved a better one like they had the right idea with her on the hospital bed until they ruined it by being gross with the fan service and i know it's because junko was trying to rub salt in her wounds about her sexual abuse in the past and ridicule her about her trauma. kiyo was interesting yes until that reveal that people like myself are allowed to be uncomfortable about.
@@nekonomicon2983 IM SO GLAD im not alone LOL ive seen too many try to justify it because of her FTS but its just disgusting and unnecessary! not to mention, its over within 3 seconds unlike other punishments. its supposed to be her "death" right? but oh no, gotta sexualize her AGAIN oh yes its so fitting! /sarcasm
It’s my least favorite! But I want to mention that the giant arm and giant needle go to her dislike of oversized things, it looks really random but oversized things are a personal thing to Mikan somehow. It doesn’t make the execution any better but at least it isn’t as random as people think!
@@aguilera2966 RIGHT!!! ive seen people say the dislike of oversized things is something perverted which makes me so pissed lol idk im sensitive when it comes to this topic because i really love her character and no one likes thinking more in depth about her just omg lol fanservice nurse go burrr XD (i hated typing that so much)
@@kurumiwendy i think its odd because she's the only execution where we don't see what happens to her body. I mean it's implied it goes into space but that's about it.... no aftermath or anything it just... ends. I mean even in other executions where we don't see the body its because the execution ended in an explosion or something
V3-3 could have been seriously improved if someone else killed Angie, while Korekiyo killed Tenko. Then we would have a situation where the class was forced to live with a known killer, then he would be a real easy victim for chapter 4.
@@pn2294 I disagree the problem is that by introducing such an integral rule like the 2 blackened situation they created a chekhovs gun scenario And it's not like they didn't have an out or anything They could've easily had Tsumugi be the one to create the locked room mystery murder and use her power as the mastermind to pin it on Kork as she felt Angie's takeover would've ruined the ratings of the show, she already pinned Kaede's failed mastermind murder attempt on her to cover up her murder of Rantaro, ontop of having the monokids tamper with any evidence of her involvement so it really wouldn't have been that big of a deal since she's the mastermind and the showrunner. And yeah I know that chekhov's gun isn't a strict story telling principle to follow but THE NEXT CHAPTER THEY DID JUST THAT WITH THE MONOTARO/MONOPHANIE SUBPLOT BEING A SET UP FOR THE ROBOT WASP USED IN GONTAS EXECUTION So it honestly just comes across as disingenuous and a missed opportunity It's the last game for fucks sake they should've done something with it But I mean what's done is done so whatever lol
@@raikoedgymoto sounds like you’re one of the people who were talking through Keebo The point was to feel cheated by Tenko’s murder since there was no reason to kill her
I feel like there's an obvious potential of a 3rd case: just let it be two murderers. I imagine something like this: There is a murder, then, the mastermind (using cameras or something) finds out and decides to kill someone else (for personal reasons, as in: I need to kill this person with my own hands), knowing they can't be punished because a murder already happened. Then they actually get away with it in the trial, maybe the method is discovered, but not their identity. But the students only need to find out the first killer so there's not much problem. Later, in the sixth trial, they find new evidence (like in V3) and they re-do that trial to unmask the mastermind.
That’s something that happens in a Drv3 fanfic called “I trade my life for yours,” it does that same concept with the v3 mastermind and a different victim of the third trial.
Tbh I would like to have 2 murderers, like, 2 people decided to kill someone at the same time of the day, and they need to figure out who was killed first, and live with the other blackened unpunished
tbh the 3rd trial cases has the most "interesting" people...it's obvious those three have gone through a shit ton of trauma, especially mikan and kork. mikan was abused and korekiyo was groomed, not sure about celeste but she was living her life a lie...i just hate how it seems to be a throwaway case especially in korekiyo's since they introduced that rule and i wish that the case did have two blackeneds. i also hate the way they're portrayed it seems slimy?? mikan was abused by junko so heavily she thought junko was in love with her and the same with kork and his sister like if they weren't abused i feel like they never would have killed in the first place. ALSO the way they present their abuse is alike...mikan is seen as the crazy girl who's in love with someone who doesn't exist and korekiyo is seen as creepy incest guy but when you look at the bigger picture you can see the actual issue at hand.
For Celestia- at one point in the game she says something akin to that she gambled everything except for the clothes on her back. While a bit of a stretch you could interpret that as letting some people use her body if you wanna get that dark. Also makes it darker when she (falsely) claims in game that Taka raped her and took pictures. I believe in the anime they watered it down and he “put a hand to her.”
My problem is not their mental health itself, but their portrayal. Celeste's felt super rushed. You'd expect the ultimate gambler, who pretty made up her entire persona, to not crack so easily. Mikan's outburst was.... fine. The usage of the despair disease felt cheap, and her execution took a giant shit on her character. Literally fucking orgasmed on a needle rocket and blew up. It's not even tragic, just insulting. Also, the reveal in the anime that she was quite literally brainwashed through some dumb despair video kinda ruined that part of her character for me. Kiyo was revealed to be a literal serial killer. That's what ruined it for me. That combined with the seesaw and incest thing just kinda made it feel ridiculous rather than profound.
If I were to write a double murder, I would just put "The two victims killed each other". That seems way more interesting than just having one culprit. Or have two blackeneds, like V3 mentioned.
@@walterwhitecookingchannel8912 In the first case, there wouldn't be an execution. In the second case, the first one who killed unless the second blackened killed the first blackened
What if something happened like if there was one victim and two blackendes like maybe they strangled the victim with rope and each held both ends of it
i don't think the trial ruined Mikan because it played into the twist of everybody being ultimate despairs i think the reaction of fans ruined her because she's way more than just her ultimate despair personality but often I see her being reduced to just a crazy yandere or something and people also fetishize her and junko's relationship which is just disgusting
Yeah I think people are so off put by her freak out that they never listen to what she’s saying. I kind of did that too at first which is odd because Mikan is my favorite thing ever now, but everytime I replayed chapter 3 it just got better and better to me now it’s one of my favorites in the series, easily top 5 and maybe even top 3
I think it was her character as a whole, I had no trouble following the plot but she was written like fan service. She was a klutz who ended up in fetishy situations and would freak out about it. That is horrible for any character you want to take seriously, especially if she leans into that during the time you're suppose to take her seriously.
"people also fetishize her and junko's relationship" she is literally a fanservice character. The game is constantly treating her like a practical joke that only exists for people to gawk at. I can't see how anyone can think Mikan is a well written character when it is SO OBVIOUS she is just a fetishbait character. She is so annoying to me because there could have been a lot of depth to a nurse character that ends up killing two people, but she is basically just a joke fanservice character. Even if people fetishing her and junko's relationship is weird, you can't deny the game dehumanises Mikan into just being fanservice to begin with.
I cried for TeruTeru. He wanted to go home to check on his mom because he promised her he would go home after he graduates. Also, he wanted to try and save the others by killing Nagito.
At first, i disliked Teruteru because hes a pervert, but after the 1st trial i just felt bad for him. Poor boy just wanted to go home to see if his mom is ok😭😭💔💔
Not gonna lie, all the third cases in Ace Attorney's second trilogy grabbed my attention than the first trilogy's But yeah, the third cases in DR are cursed
Celeste's chapter was the worst for me. She was my favorite character up until that point, and her portrayal in Chp.3 did not do her justice. The most frustrating part was that there were actually good ideas in there. From the beginning, she was a calm and 'adaptable' person. So, the reveal that those characteristics were a part of the facade she created was great. Also, they manage to make her both selfish and, subtly sympathetic. Yea, she wanted money, but she was also desperate to leave. "Actually no, Taeko Yasuhiro is fine" and "I can't say I ever saw it that way.." are some of the best character building lines to me. A All the positives were weighed down by the culprit being VERY obvious (same with Kiyo) and her behavior not aligning with the Ultimate Gambler title. The breakdown during the trial and the murder plan just do not mesh with the Celeste we had seen beforehand. However, I could take the breakdown if it was the result of an well-executed plan being figured out.
And what got her was so stupid „Like those guys did” She could’ve meant Sayaka, Leon, but most likely Chihiro and Mondo because they died recently, but She started panicking like hell and its not even similar to her character? They did her wrong there
What I love is that the case 3 culprits are the most irredeemable out of all them. Celeste : literally killed for money. Mikan : the most fucked up out of all the Ultimate Despairs Korekiyo : delusional serial killer thinking he's sending all his victims to his dead sister. (At the end of V3, it was found out that all the backstories, including Korekiyo's were falsified for the killing game. But I'm just gonna count it anyway.) Or maybe it's just me idk
I think the reason why they didn't focus much on hiyokos death was because she was originally going to be a survivor and Fuyuhiko was supposed to take hiyokos death, but then the game crew realized that if Fuyuhiko died, it would make Pekos sacrifice for nothing, so they rushed to switch hiyoko and Fuyuhikos roles because they were at a deadline and didn't have enough time to explain her murder weapon, etcetera (but I think her murder weapon could be a surgery knife because Mikan is a doctor). Though I do wish that both Fuyuhiko and hiyoko survived because they both would've been great characters and forgive eachother for their actions. SPOILERS FOR DR3 ANIME But I'm not really that upset about the deaths in the game anymore because they are all alive anyways except Chiaki
honestly im still sad they change it....i hate baby gnagsta and that little tw... equally, but i would like to see(saw) something go in vain... like sometines it all goes to hell no matter how much you witsh otherwise... just for a change in franchise
@@darksonicyt5430 she was tho lol, weather you accept it or not doesn’t change the fact that its canon. You shouldn’t try to force your non canon ideas on people just because you don’t like what happened, that goes for anyone
My perfect Chapter 3 is having someone kill someone, then another person kills, but the first person is only the guilty one (what they teased in V3). I feel as if the concept of having a killer still in the group afterwards would create a lot of tension
that's my main problem with v3, a lot of the characters felt like plot devices for another character to develop (kaede, tenko, eventually kaito) more than actual characters, or they were wasted potential characters (ryoma, kiyo, rantaro). sucks too considering how the v3 cast seem the most interesting
I love the 3rd trails, I just love how everyone loses their cool. My personal favorite is Korekiyo..for many reasons. The first reason is..the way he was so quick to pinpoint Himiko as the culprit..and gave very good reasons on why she could be the culprit. I believed his deductions, because they were honestly very smart and clever and he was careful with his words most of the time..but would go quite quiet when being pinpointed. Another reason, that plotwist with his mask..I honestly thought he was a girl, but no..he just wore lipstick and pretended to be his sister. My last reason is because at the near end where he loses it all together. His "APOLOGIZE APOLOGIZE APOLOGIZE" and the scream just had so much emotion into it..it just felt all too real. I love Korekiyo, even though alot of people don't. He was manipulated by his sister, probably had a mental illness after her death, pretended to be her for comfort, was really calm before being executed (ex: I'll be watching you guys from the afterlife and cheering you on etc) only to be salted by not only Monokuma..but his sister that he thought he loved ever so deeply. Pure and utter despair. Hate him if you want, but I honestly loved him as a character way too much. He was unique.
@@bathwaterforbreakfast986 The main reason I didn't like you was his design: I LOVED his breakdown, its my second favorite breakdown in any murder mystery (Celeste first because the voice acting.) I really like super simple designs, such as Chihiro and those people.
I think that a lot of the problems with Danganronpa cases come from it being a video game. There has to be overly complex trials in order to have a long game - it doesn't logicaly make sense that you need definitive evidence to prove someone, or that you just get randomly accused if you get a game over. It tries to be like Ace Atourney, except that in that you need evidence because you are in court, plus you gradually gain evidence while in Danganronpa you have all evidence when the trial starts most of the time.
I have to agree. Ace Attorney also has the benefit of cases lasting more days so you can explore one option them find new stuff. Plus, watching Dangerompa (I can’t play it due to my disability, but I watch it) a lot of the evidence has to be “bigger”. A lot of times I see a case and go “well that would be solved if they has Fingerprint/Blood testing”. Of course that doesn’t always work, but a lot of the cases could be solved that way. But because they don’t have that the deaths have to be more elaborate so that the game can be long and you can have a mystery. I was baffled by how over the top 3-2 was almost needlessly and I did find it silly. 3-5’s whole mysetry would not have worked if they had blood analysis and the whole thing with 3-1. I won’t spoil, but still. Case 3’s do hace this struggle. I saw someone write that “they always lill a loved and hated character” and I think it’s kind of true. Though for me when Tenko died I felt her development was too little too late for me. With DR yiu know (most) of the players from the start so yes, the later ones get more love, but you also have to dive into so many. I find most motives contrived because you have to explain why seemingly good kids just murder each other (one thing case 3 culprits kind of do right since they’re kind of crazy), but with Ace Attorney you can have some trashy people and never know who to trust since you just met a number of them that case. It has it’s issues too, and while I do like some case threes more than the aversge fan I can see the dislike. I judt personally think Ace Attorney is better at making complex cases that don’t feel like “I moved the body even if that makes it harder, but guess I wanted to inctriminate this one specific person so oops”. I also kind of find the wording tips me off because of the “rules” in 1-3 since Celeste was the one who planned both, but Hifumi killed Taka, Monokuma said “only the mastermind matters” in case 3-3 he said that “only the first victim matters” which kind of made me think Angie and Tenko were killed by the same person, but maybe that was just me. He also acted kind of obvious, and sometimes I like the obvious villains. They can work. I remember one person defending an Ace Attorney case saying showing the villain made the case more fascinating since you knew who just not how. So obvious villains aren’t always bad, just sometimes boting. I also find sone DR things odd. Like being someone who uses sound a lot I find it a bit tricky to believe that the other three woukdn’t have heard Kiyo moving based on his voice coming from a different spot not to mention angle since he was on the ground. You could argue the other three’s voices drowned it out, but I think they were listening since he was the only one memorizing the song. Maybe I’m bias since I like Ace Attorney more, and I don’t mean to rant, but I do agree that Ace Attorney makes the case stystem work better than Dangenrompa a lot of the time.
Not only that, the trials are where all the action is. Save for a few moments, not many things happen before the case. They essentially have to cram the mystery, drama, and motive all in a singular session. Unlike ace attorney which has plenty of stuff happen outside the trials, and even if there wasn't, theres far more leeway. It's a shock the writers only stumble so hard on double murders.
i LOVED korekiyo before... everything was revealed. i loved his perspective on life, his admiration of humanity, his spooky vibes, his design, even his lab! he was so cool! but then..... e w.
To be fair the writers completely squandered his character potential with his backstory of him being a literal abuse victim by watering it down to "gross incest guy". They unfortunately did the same thing with Mikan 😭😭
My problem with the third case of V3 is because of that rule, that only one of the killers would be executed. It would be very interesting to see how the characters would have to act with a killer living with them and it would clearly create some discussions that would be interesting to watch. But they practically threw the idea in the trash for Korekiyo to kill them both with a case that is probably one of the ones I hate the most in the franchise.
The third chapter are like fillers I dont take seriously. I usually watch them with food and my blanket cause they feel cosy to watch since they are so easy to figure out.
I don't completely hate the third cases, but I agree that they're not the best ones. However, the only one that I really don't like is the second one, mainly because how one of the victim's death felt like it didn't serve a purpose (Ibuki's), and because the case itself, and what allegedly happened didn't make sense, even in the game world. On the contrary, I actually really like v3's third case, because even though the killer was predictable, it introduced a concept that most of us hadn't considered, that concept being two different killers. Also, Korekiyo's breakdown is _always_ satisfying to watch.
Welltbf ibuki had to die at some point because it didn't seem like she was going to get any character development anyway. She was mostly used as a comic relief character.
@@iliekoreoz788 true, unlike most characters she's already a fully developed character so having her survive would make any focus on her dependent on characterization and exploration instead of development and change which doesn't happen a lot in danganronpa (kokichi is the only example I can think of), so yeah unfortunately her chances of survival are very slim even in fan re-writes
I think if Ibuki was murdered without the existence of the despair disease, it would've been even more painful and "despair inducing". She was bright, confident and happy. Somebody had to end that along with the life of another person, and the thought of it being a suicide was even more horrific. Of course, there'd need to be a reason for the characters to be in the hospital and away from everyone else. Maybe a different disease? Or maybe Monokuma forces the groups apart, but then it'd be too close to the whole grape/strawberry house thing
they're my personal favorite. The fifth and forth cases are usually the ones i get the most bored or annoyed by (excluding Mukuro's case. That was a fun mystery). I just enjoy how manipulative the culprits are and how creepy the chapter 3 cases are! Tbh Celeste and Korekiyo are my two favorite culprits in the franchise
spoilers for all games i hated mikans but celestes and korks are my favourite and the reasons they are some of my favourites and they develop the characters so much
Case 3 breakdowns are the BEST and I LOVE them. Sure they might be unnecessarily complex or simply rushed, but the killers' breakdowns are SO. GOOD. They give me CHILLS. Like you said, the voice acting is amazing and I applaud the voice actors for it.
I'm honestly kind of surprised to hear that there are people who hate on the Chapter 3 culprits for "turning crazy", it feels like half their fans like them specifically *because* of them acting like that lmao
for me i celestia was the only one who's trial made me like her more. to me it her a some what a realistic character. During her breakdown, she becomes angered that her insecurities are being used to unraveling her plan and celeste trying desperately to try and convince everyone that she is celestia ludenberg and not teako yasuhiro Mikan's made me kinda uncomfortable and I did really like Korekiyo's but for some reason spike chunsoft decided to completely assassinate his character by making him an over the top serial killer because, for some reason, they always need to reveal someone as a serial killer. also the way the presented his "relationship" with his sister was also a wierd left field statement. i really think if they had just stuck to korekiyo wanting to perform an actual seance because he was just that desperate to see his sister one more time. they could have had said that korekiyo just withheld information. keeping to his creepy personality but making him some what humanising
Hiyoko literally died without a reason she could've been switched with Sonia. Hey you are half naked go to the music venue for a mirror! What? I should bring it to you? nah If hiyoko survived: Redemption Arc, Works together with fujuhiko in the end etc. If sonia died: Kazuichi and Gundham would get more development and there would be so many new possibilities for chapter 4. Also Sonia is just the: I make weird jokes and say weird things so kazuichi can simp . Character. I know she has a cool design and Talent but- It would be really much better if she died.
I agree and disagree, in one hand sonia is a great character and deserve to live and in the other hand your right, if sonia died their would be alot of character development potential for the others
Kazuichi and Gundham wouldn't get development. First of all, Kazuichi never liked Sonia for who she was, just her status as a princess. Sure he would be devastated but that wouldn't change him. Second of all, Gundham and Sonia weren't close in Chapter 3 so there would have been no development for him as well
This. I believe a big problem that SDR2 has is that a lot of its characters rely on their FTE's for seeing the overall character. If Sonia had interactions with both Kazuichi and Gundham, then both of the characters would get better development. Instead, Sonia's relationship with Gundham is paltry and doesn't seem genuine at all. It's really surprising how changing death order would impact three characters in the narrative.
Also for that last part I'd like to add that even Angie's body discovery was super creepy, with all the mannequins of the dead students hanging upside down, making the whole scene look like some cult ritual was eerie as hell. Would have been even more terrifying if angie was also hanged or, knowing Korekiyo's questionnable skills with ropes, tied up in an unnatural position maybe.
In v3 they made the rule that whoever killed first was executed was wasted. I really wish that there was a second murderer in the trail so that there would've been that twist plus that couldve given the story a new aspect of having a murderer in the cast. Like maybe they survive even though they killed someone. You know what i mean. And im sad that i lost Kiyotaka, Ibuki and Tenko.
me too, i also would have liked to see everyone else’s feelings towards korekiyo after that trial, since in this case everyone would still have known about him killing tenko (as he admitted it). i think it would have created more conflict and tension. it would also create more despair for both everyone else in the game and us, playing the game. i don’t know, i just think it was a missed opportunity.
I wish each chapter was different cause each chapter there is a pattern Chapter 1 someome friendly or innocent person dies Chapter 2 the killer kills someone to protect something/someone Chapter 3 Double Murder and For greed Chapter 4 The buff ppl die (Sakura, Nekomaru,Gonta) Chapter 5 Someome close to you dies (Kyoko,Makoto,Nagito,Kokichi/Kaito) Chapter 6 Mastermind Reveal Like I wish they at least change the order or make it different
I haven’t seen V3 ( I actually remembered, the first vic was Rantoro wasn’t it? Nobody knew his talent.)and I completely agree with ch 1 murder of Danganronpa 2. But Sayaka was def not innocent. This is where I assume you added in the friendly part because she seemed quite friendly with everyone.
@@thegodandsaviorbidoof2415 yeah and if I remember correctly, he didn’t even intend on killing him, it was a jealousy fueled rage. He was so out of it that he remembered being jealous and angry and the the next moment Chihiro was dead.
I wish there was double executions instead of double victims on a game, because instead of them immediately dying and ruining two potentials, you can get two culprits who can still leave a final mark on you, also a cool twist
I’ve been thinking about this about V3s case. Why would’ve been Korekiyo’s excuse to perform a seance if he didn’t intend to kill anyone before hand??? Also Kokichi’s fakeout near the end of investigation was wonderful
I don't remember if the game gave an explanation to that or not. If I had to come up with something on the spot, maybe he planned to revive one of the 4 students that were already dead for some other reason
@@DerpyHiro it for sure didn’t give an explanation (I had just finished the third trial the other day). Yeah maybe there is some galaxy brain ultra complex reason for him doing it
This is something random I have noticed, but in every chapter three, the victim/s are my favorite characters in each game. Those being Taka, Ibuki, Hiyoko and Angie. Also another random thing but with the Despair Disease, how did Hajime not catch it at all? I mainly ask this since Mikan(who had the disease) was sleeping with him multiple times. So how did Hajime not get sick?
Honestly from what i can remember, hajime never got brainwashed by junko like the others did. He was already izuru when he met junko and he was CONVINCED by junko to help her spread despair. I think this could be why he was immune to it, as the characters who did get infected by it were ones that got brainwashed into becoming remnants.
my headcannon which makes sense to me is that the despair disease is simply alter ego junko messing with their personality coding (since they are in a simulation), except for mikan she just unlocked her sealed memories, it's probably one of the most premeditated cases by monokuma's hands he had full control there I believe
The thing with DRV3's Case 2 is that yeah Kirumi pulled off a near perfect kill but she couldn't just leave Ryoma's body in his lab, the whole point of her motivation was to get out of that situation so she had to pin it on someone to increase the chances of the spotlight not getting on her when suspicion is brought up. Since she knew about the magic show, Himiko (or maybe even Angie to make it seem like Angie was pinning it on Himiko since they were both working on it) was the perfect person to pin it on. Had she left the body there, then the case and the trial will go nowhere with no concrete evidence to point it to anyone other than "who was last seen with Ryoma" or "who was near his lab last" and even so, the cast would be shooting in the dark trying to guess the blackened (to which, in a sense, would benefit the blackened but at the same time, if you successfully pin it on someone, it accelerates the process of everyone picking the wrong person). EDIT: You know, now that I think about it, it's so odd no one suspected Angie at all during Case 2 even when she was throwing Himiko under the bus during that trial. EDIT EDIT: Also regarding DR2's Case 3, I dunno if it's just me but Mikan being the killer was soooooo obvious the moment I saw Hiyoko's body thinking "Yeah, Mikan DEFINITELY murked Hiyoko after how she was treated lmao". Plus the whole hospital thing and Mikan getting a lot of attention that chapter kinda made it too obvious if she wasn't the victim.
I really like the breakdowns but the cases itself, aside from the first game are a meh 1-3 Is really good, and at least has a second victim that is not by accident. 2-3 Is not bad, but it is not that memorable 3-3 It wad pretty obvious that Kirekiyo killed Tenko, but since they said that only the first victim mattered, and I thought it was interesting to have a killer alive, but no So yeah, third cases are not bad but they are not that memorable
i feel like the V3 trial 3 would’ve been one of my favorites if angie’s killer wasn’t korekiyo. he was pretty obvious, so at first it would seem to fit the “obvious culprit” theme for third trials, but then the twist of the only killer that counts being someone else would’ve been shocking and made the trial much better imo. i don’t know who to replace as the actual culprit, but that outcome would’ve been a lot better honestly
V3's 3rd case in a nutshell Shuichi: It's you, Korekiyo! You set up the seance, and stepped on the floorboard! Korekiyo: Yeah, well, how was I able to FIND it in the dark, huh? Shuichi: You found it by listening to the squeaks. Korekiyo: But it was dark, so how did I find my way to it? Your logic is invalid! Shuichi: Idk, you probably memorized where it was. Just give up, we know it's you, dude. Korekiyo: Nuh uh, I need a reason! Shuichi: Fine. Uh, you followed the dust circle. Now let's vote- Korekiyo: NUH UH! How was I able to find the circle? Shuichi: What?! It's literally in the center of the room! You just had to walk forward! Korekiyo: Nah, you're trippin'. Give proof. Shuichi: Okay, fine! You followed the damn line from the corner. Now can we just vote Korekiyo already? Korekiyo: NAH MAN I GOT A PICTURE OF THE CIRCLE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT LINE! YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT IS INVALID NOW! Shuichi: THE PICTURE IS FAKE THEN, IT IS LITERALLY YOU AND WE ALL KNOW IT! Korekiyo: YEAH BUT EVEN AFTER ALL THAT YOU STILL GOT NO PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF! Keebo: Fine, here's the picture from my memory. Korekiyo: BUT WAIT HOLD ON A SECOND!! DON'T VOTE ME!! Shuichi: ....
Idk why we needed proof on how Kiyo knew where to walk in the dark. Dude has the WHOLE circle drawn out just by his memory. I’m sure he can visualize where to walk easily.
You're so spot on about the "chapter 3 ruins their character" part! I loved Korekiyo at first sight (still kinda do) but after completing chapter three, I was so icked out and disappointed that I feel bad liking him so much (I definitely don't talk about him with anyone because it's so awkward).
I maxed out his events immediately, always talked to him first or whenever he was anywhere on the map even the tiniest bits of dialog, called him "bestie" ...... after that trial I felt betrayed amd disgusted with myself for ignoring the "red flags" (talking about his sister(hoped it was just miu being over dramatic and he was just a good brother caring for his sick sister), his calm when facing talk of death(I assumed he was just death positive from his job being exposed to different cultures that view death differently and funerals))
I don't really get why liking a villain is suddenly some moral taboo in a game about murder. If people judge you over liking a 2d fictional anime boy villain with some messed up tendencies that's kind of weird.
@@halcifer9000nah, the awkward thing is that Korekiyo has an incest case, and a very lot of people just don’t get that this poor boy has been completely brainwashed
Celestia's case was just so confusing to me. (I've only seen the dr1 anime, this could be different in the game), but the only way they figure out she murdered Hifumi was due to her saying "We are going to die, just like they did." She said that, even though only one body had been discovered. The thing is, she could have been talking about the four other people who had previously died, as it was the third chapter. She went crazy way to quickly, and easily could've won. idk, might just be how I saw it but it frustrates me.
it annoys me to they should of at least keep her more in character and its also like they forgot about the rules but this is of coarse just my opinion.
I remember throughout v3 seeing korekiyo and thinking, "this is the only openly crazy character that seems like a cool guy," comparing him to Nagito and Junko, guess I was wrong The ruined culprit problem isn't as bad for 2's case since Mikan regained her memories, so it was implied that she was acting as her old self and not as a traitor the entire time.
To me I always thought the reason they focused more on Ibuki and Tenko's murders because, overall, the cast at time cared more for them than the other (barely anyone really morned Hyoko's death and Miu at one point flat out said she was glad Angie was dead).
I think the 3rd cases are pretty amazing and very memorable. They remind us that people don't always murder because they want to sacrifice themselves to save someone, there's the harsh reality that people have selfish desires.
Why does the double kill always have to be in the third case? And why not use the double jeopardy rule in v3? I know it was a red herring, but honestly having two different blackeneds in one trial has a lot more potential for the story.
@@plushcentric but this is not good. It makes them so boring and predictable. It was fine in danganronpa 1 because it was the first time, but when they decided to do the same thing for the other two games it just made them repetitive. If for example, they would have happened at any chapter besides 3 it would have been better. And they should have also experimented with two culprits and also better motives for the killings. All of them are so silly, i mean come on, hiyoko just happened to bust in at the wrong moment, kiyo could have just stopped after he killed angie (i dont understand why did he have to kill tenko too) and the same can be said for celeste (although i guess it made more sense for her to kill hifumi because she might have feared to get betrayed by him) The cases are not terrible, but they certainly had so much more potential.
I think since danganronpa has 6 chapters and chanpter 3 is the middle so at that pointits half way over meaning that they should start killing off more this time if we want to keep the suvivors to a specific number
If im honest I actually liked Korekiyo BECAUSE of chapter 3, Korekiyo I thought was just showing off like hey! I can kill people and I thought well thats gonna be wasted potential as a victim but I felt satisfied with Korekiyo ending.
Personally i think celeste and korekiyo were good villains since korekiyo had a somewhat decent motive because of his sister and celeste because her selfish dream. i just felt like mikan shouldn't have been the villain in chap 3. that idea was stupid
I kind of feel like Mikan being the villain served a good purpose actually What better way to show the gravity of the lost memories than to have the most innocent and gentle character be the one to convert back to a remnant of despair? If it were anyone else who turned back into a remnant, it'd be less impactful. It makes you think early on in the game, "what kind of insane memories would make someone like Mikan, of all people, turn out so sadistic?" It prepares you for the actual reveal like nothing else could.
I believe that Mikan is just as evil as the other two. Mikan and Korekiyo are literally the same. Both manipulated, and driven to insanity. Mikan remembered everything that has happened before. Mikan, along with the rest of the cast had fallen into despair before, and they all had murdered people. Mikan was evil, with a motive like everyone else in the danganronpa outside world. For despair. She was quite relevant to the danganronpa world with the despair shenanigans. But I do agree that she shouldn't have been the villain, it would've been more interesting if it was Sonia that was the murderer ngl
I think the point with Kirumi's rope trick in v3 was that she wanted to pin the crime on Himiko, so that they'd have a target to vote on. The longer the class trial, the worse it gets, so making an obvious culprit would be the best strategy. Rush the vote, and have people guess wrong before they can think twice. Without a suspect, it leads to blind guessing and hearsay, and from there all it takes is a lucky guess or some stupidly trivial evidence to get yourself voted. It leaves the CHANCE that they just happen on you correctly, and it's a chance not worth taking if you can help it. Kirumi ALMOST helped it.
Case 3 in the 2nd game isnt bad in my opinion , I love how mikan sounds her voice actor did a really good job And hiyoko walking in on the crime is more realistic than the case from the first game. The only negative in my opinion is how we don’t find out hiyoko murder weapon and why mikan even needed to lock the door in the first place.
I actually love the 3rd cases but one stands out as being poorly written. That one being V3-3. I personally would've made Tenko kill Angie, the Korekiyo kill Tenko. This is more interesting because now it's like, well the blackend is dead now so what do we do? This also could've been a growing point for Shuichi because while Monokuma and the Monokubs are freaking out, Shuichi can be like 'Well we still need to find out who killed Angie, even if they aren't the blackend so we can stay away from them. ' There also would be more emphasis on Angie's murder because her's happend first. Tenko's motive would've been the fact that Angie "brainwashed" Himiko. And since Tenko was in the student council, it would've been easy for her to get to Angie's research lab.
Idk that seems pretty out of character for Tenko and because since that would just be putting Himiko’s life on the line in the class trial if they guessed wrong. I also feel like that would rob Himiko’s character development because it was pretty reliant on Tenko than Angie.
Well in dr1 there was no rule to say which went first unlike in v3 where it specifically says who killed angie and not tenko so hifumis already dead but he was also murdered so that murder would count so Celeste died but if tenko killed then got killed it would be a question of if anyone would get executed or not. Do you get me?
In that graphic scene for Korekiyo, they deliberately stated that there was no physically connection, which in this case, can only mean that they weren't physically involved. I think what they were going for Korekiyo was-his sister was in the hospital and couldn't enjoy life, find love, or have friends. So Korekiyo tried to fill that void, he tried to be her lover. He even said that while he could be her lover, he couldn't be her friend, and so he sent her ghost friends. So I believe they were trying to make it less creepy than it came out to be. I still think it's weird, but I think it was supposed to be a little less weird.
@Peko With a bat Yeah that's most definitively their fault. The only guess I have is that they wanted to represent his relationship physically for us to grasp it. Idk
Something I never see anyone bring up is Korekiyo's plan. How was he supposed to get people to do the seance if Angie wasnt dead and used as an excuse to do the seance.
I feel like I'm the only person who actually likes DR2's 3rd trial. The despair disease is a moronic motive and Mikan's personal motive isn't any better, but I enjoyed the setup of the murder itself and the disturbing atmosphere of the hospital
god, I love the set up and environment of dr2 3. even though ibuki didn’t technically die by hanging, her being hung is honestly so unique compared to the bloody messes other cases have! hiyokos death was.. eh but I really enjoyed ibukis death by “hanging” and the environment of the music venue and hospital
I love kiyo very much and he's my favourite character but in that case they "wrote" him very bad,it was just not neccesary to make him a serial killer and they also didn't make it very clear he was abused by his sister,and that makes everyone think that's incest and stuff like that. In the free time events he's very nice and a sweet person to shuichi,he also isn't creepy always,he has lot of interest in the things he likes that makes him avoid people and yeah,and with Mikan and him they wrote both of them dirty,they didn't deserved that but oh well. It also made the fandom to make se//xual and tr4auma jokes,that's really awful I just wanted to say my opinion lol, *kork supremacy* 🙏🏻
Honestly case threes are some of my favourite cases, specifically Celestias case. The body discovery is amazing and her lines in the trial are the perfect mix of intriguing and surprising after she spent the beginning of the game to be very composed. I just wish that she kept a bit more of her composure, after all she is the ultimate gambler.
I honestly love Celeste’s character especially in chapter 3 because it shows that being the queen of liars isn’t just something slapped onto her character with no real purpose. It actually holds up.
If you put it like that they sound so entertaining to watch. From 3rd cases I like the breakdowns, body discoveries and moments before the trials. But I hate that they make them obvious and also that they didn't explore it far away. Like V3 almost did with the new rule of only one execute the first murderer.
- Always a pointless double murder. Most times killing one who was going through an arc(Taka and Hyoko) - Overaly complicated. And not in a smart way. In a "this makes no sense" or "just dumb" way - Always an obvious killer - Said killer previously shown throughout the game and trials being helpful and intelligent suddenly turn a 180, become out of character and constantly make themselves suspect. Celeste refused any argument or evidence to prove Hiro's innocence, Mikan kept questioning everything and spoken dialogue to make herself look innocent and Korekiyo just immediately accused Himiko and later just gave up on hiding himself Pretty much turns a lot of people off the character (Though personally Mikan and Korekiyo are still some of my favourite characters) - The motivation is always the worst. Money was lazy and the Despair disease was just forced to make a character do something they wouldn't had otherwise. But it can also be summed up as "they were horny". Celeste wanted her harem of vampire themed servants, Mikan was brainwashed and gay for Junko and Korekiyo wanted to f*ck his sister - Each case could of had a small tweak to make it more interesting. Mainly V3. They introduced the idea of 2 killers and they don't do anything with it. Why this one is my most hated. 3rd main series game, could had done something new but instead just rinse and repeat the same bs Side note I personally love the setting of DR2 because it's not like the 1st game. The whole peaceful and calm setting parallels well with the looming dread of Monokuma, the constant fear someone will die and just the overall weird and bizarreness that's Usami and the mystery of the world
It would’ve been nice too see hiyokos reaction to mikan being the killer because hiyoko was gonna give mikan another’s chance and then it would add to her character development that would mean that someone would’ve died instead (I think) in my opinion maybe soda
I was thinking Mikan tried to kill Hiyoko but missed and ended up killing Ibuki, then she tried to kill her again but Hiyoko juked her and Sonia died. This would work because of her clumsy self. Also remove those scenes of Mikan sleeping with Hajime and her trying to hard to make an alibi before the trial, that made it wayyy too obvious. The reason I think this should happen is because it wouldn’t make sense for her to not try to get revenge on Hiyoko when there’s 2 victims and getting bullied is kinda her motive, this would also make the murder scenario very unique and interesting.
I think the Main problem of 3rd trials is that there is a doble murder and it isnt Well executed. It feels more like if the chapter is only Made to get rid of many characters as if they were nothing.
I think it would be cool a case with a crime scene where two people are lying on the floor but the twist is that only one of them is dead and the dead announcement sounds, making everyone arrive to the conclusion that both are dead. It would be interesting if something happened that justified the dissaperance of a body and a really messy and distorted crime scene like a fire, then just before the trial, the other person reappears and makes everyone change what they where theorizing about the case having to to take in count the testimony of a witness that could perfectly be the culprit or the key of knowing what happened.
In my opinion: SDR2-case 3 > THH-case 3 > V3-case 3 Even if Mikan's motive had a dumb name like "Despair Disease", I still liked it because it worked as good foreshadowing to the ending of the game. Aside from Nagito and Izuru, who appear in UDG, Mikan is the only character we got to see as Remnant of Despair, and I think that's pretty cool. Plus, she had a very interesting murder plot with the fake suicide video, even if the part about hiding and then revealing Hiyoko's body was practically impossible to pull off. The only things that I dislike about this trial is Hiyoko dying and Mikan's execution. Am I the only one who went into Taka and Hifumi's trial 90% sure the culprit was Celeste? The biggest red flag for me was Robo Justice's design, which is something only Hifumi would have come up with. And if Hifumi was pretending to be attacked by Yasuhiro, then Celeste had to be pretending to. But overall, this trial wasn't so bad. Due to Kiyo's design and personality, I was really hoping he would die as a victim and not as a blackened, because it's not interesting to have a murderer that looks like a murderer. Instead, he turns out to be the craziest and least likeable culprit in the game. I really like the seance scene and Tenko's body discovery, but that's the only redeemable aspect of the case. They spent so little time talking about Angie, it was like her death didn't matter at all.
I love that the justification for why Kiyo murdered Tenko after he already killed Angie was “well I already put so much work into my original idea. idk just felt like it’d be a waste not to use it.” Like seriously dog? _that’s_ your reason?
Oh as for Hiyokos murder weapon it would make the most sense that it is a scalpel as Mikan would have A) had it on her B) it is sharp and could probably k*all hiyoko C) if anybody found it on her she could just be like "oh well I had it when I arrived here" cause she is a nurse
3rd cases are honestly my favourites 1-3 is really great, 2-3 I think could be better but I don't hate it like most fans, and 3-3 is my favourite case in V3 with 3-5 coming close.
Could kotoko be credited as a third chapter killer too? -Long hair like mikan celes and kork -has a repeated word with trauma/lore attached to it, “gentle” -executed third -tragic abuse backstory (kiyo getting manipulated by his sister, the fact the only person who she cared about, was a cat says enough, mikan getting sexually physically and verbally abused her entire life, and Kotoko being sold as a sex toy by her mother as a child) -breaks down in their chapter -is literally crazy, and has killed many people (celest would be in gambles where whoever loses dies, so I thought I’d explain that) -obvious it was them (after Masaru and jataro died, it was obvious kotoko was next since Nagisa and Monaca were more important) -unique design, (mikans choppy hair, celest drills and aesthetic, kiyo’s height aesthetic and mask, +kotoko’s Lolita fashion inspired clothes and impossibly long hair) Personally I’d include her with them, even though she wasn’t in a killing game
The argument people make about the despair disease in dr2’s case 3 I really don’t mind Like I see people having a misunderstanding over the despair disease where they think it just rewrites peoples personalities, and while it does change them for Mikan all it did was give her her memories back. And I take this as a lovely bit of foreshadowing, yes in the moment it may feel cheap, but looking back it’s so cleverly done and is an amazing piece of foreshadowing of was this classes fates were
Personally, 3-3 is one of my absolute favorite trials in the entire series, mostly because of the culprit aspect. Korekiyo is I think an insanely interesting and actually also well-fleshed out character, and the trial leaves us with so many clues that can hint towards why Korekiyo ended up as messed up as he is. I honestly had the most fun analyzing the dialogue, especially the scenes with his sister speaking through him, and the research I did afterwards about what could have caused this "split personality" once the trial was over. This here is now just a theory of mine, so it can have flaws. It very much seemed to me that his sister was terribly abusive towards Korekiyo due to the pushy tone he uses when he speaks as his sister. She uses quite some phrases that indicate gaslighting or simply her trying to control Korekiyo. Due to this mistreatment, Korekiyo started idealizing her like crazy every time she did something nice for him, like making him his uniform for instance (as he mentions in I think his first friendship event), which also lead to his incestuous love for her. It seemed like he actively refused to realize this abuse. This is now taken out of thin air, but as far as I know, he never mentions any parents at all - so maybe his sister was also the one who raised him which gives him even more of a reason to idolize her. But even in his execution, we see stuff that can hint towards abuse. I believe, starting with the whole ghost-stuff, this execution is more a visualization of what he sees in his near-death-experience rather than what is really happening. We can see that his sister seemed to not like him at all as she's banishing Korekiyo's ghost together with Monokuma. It could pretty much be his subconsciousness being well aware of his sister's abuse while he was actively neglecting it and telling himself she loved him just as much as he did. This realization in his final moments made his death even more tragic as he now sees all his murders were in vain, and he should have distanced himself from his sister as soon as he could. So yes TL;DR: ..... Korekiyo is interesting for sure. He's possibly the result of his environment and the circumstances he grew up in which makes him really a tragic character in my eyes. It seems like the writers put lots of effort into his writing, and it saddens me that it's being overlooked a lot! ... Or I'm just interpreting too many things into him LOL
Me who has a case 3 where the protagonist literally see the murder: *screeches in AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA* Me realizing that the culprit is actually sympathetic: Oh righ- Me realizing there are 2 timelines and the other universes isn't and just wants the protagonist to suffer: *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-*
I clicked on this as an Ace Attorney fan, intrigued by the similarities in "third case syndrome". I absolutely wasn't expecting my exact thoughts to be splayed across the screen immediately.
Gotta love when videos with possible spoilers in the thumbnail pop up due to the fact that I’m watching a creator who is currently making a series on the game. No better feeling than an unavoidable spoiler.
No spoilers are on the thumbnail, there are characters on the thumbnail but it doesn't necessarily mean they are connected to the third case or doesn't necessarily show how much they are connected to the third case
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Case 3 similarity:
Celeste: BECAUSE BECAUSE BECAUSEEE!!!
Mikan: NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIIIIR- huh? huh? huh? huuuuh?
Korekiyo: APOLOGIZE APOLOGIZE APOLOGIIIZE!!!
Lol they are all cool but are annoying in there trial.
*APOLOGIZE APOLOGIZE APOLOGIZE-*
@@ntnb_. It's not fair notfair notfair notfair NOTFAIR NOTFAIT NOTFAIF
That you can make that joke
You forgot:
FORGIVE ME!FORGIVE ME!
and the killers kill 2 people-
Makoto: "Why did you kill two people, one of them being in the middle of his character development?!"
Celeste: "Hello, I like money"
Mr Krabs: Money
I know I’m replying to your comment a year late but Celeste/Takeo only killed one person, Hifumi was the one who killed Taka.
@@deepseabubble1745 but Celeste manipulated him to do so
@@IIove0 yeah, but Hifumi was the one that actually killed Taka.
@@deepseabubble1745 Since Celestia killed Hifumi she gets the rewards that Hifumi would’ve gotten if he’d survive basically like in murder mystery when the sheriff died someone else gets the gun
I hate how it's always one person who committed both. It would be genuinely interesting to see how the characters would react having to live among a murderer after the trial is said and done.
I think V1 handled Genocider Sho much better than I would've
V3 could've gave us more than: haha Angie dies and seesaw trick used on Tenko also Korekiyo is incest man hahaha
@☽︎ 𝕄0ꇙꇙ ☾︎
1. Technically, it's the second game. The Tragedy of Hope's Peak Academy was the trial run for the mutual killing game, where the student council (plus Izuru) killed each other.
2. Don't make them feel bad about themselves just because they don't think they can write. Maybe Sho was done badly. I honestly don't care, she's still my favorite character so far in the series (currently rivaling with K1-B0 and Kokichi tho) and split personality serial killers are a whole trope. Is it degrading? Yes, I'm not arguing with that. Is Sho still a good character? Idk what you think, but I'd say yes. All the characters have different reactions to living amongst a serial killer, Sho has different reaction to the characters, and she spices everything up a bit. Sure, her reveal was a bit forced by Byakuya, but she ended up being good in the end. (And UDG would have been rather plain without her.)
That right there is honestly my biggest problem with Danganronpa V3. They set up such an interesting potential storyline with the whole rule that in the case of two different killers only the first becomes the blackned yet they don't go through with it. Imagine a chapter 4 where the survivors also had to deal with a confirmed killer in their midst. Instead it just turned out the same killer who you figure out halfway through the trial essentially making the second half a complete waste of time.
@☽︎ 𝕄0ꇙꇙ ☾︎ i hate the danganronpa fanbase
I hate how they made celest so stupid in her trial. She's the best liar and yet she made herself suspicious from the beginning.
That's the theory of her wanting to die on purpose exists
@@plutonash2545 I just don't see the writers of DG display that level of nuance in any other cases or characters, I don't believe in the writers enough to believe in the cool suicidal Celeste theory :(
True. She acted way too over-the-top and the anime somehow made it worse with the camera. Like, she's supposed to be so good that she could even deceive the viewers. At least Mikan was hard to believe as a killer, even though she also made it pretty obvious.
Because the writers cannot craft good murder mysteries.
That's why all the cases suck.
@@sliceninja4546 Nagito's case is pretty good. It was one of the only ones where his ability was used well.
Kork:comes up with a perfect locked room mystery, literally has to do nothing else for a good chance at winning the trial
Kork Brain: “Do the seesaw trick”
Bless the Seesaw Trick
*All hail the seesaw.*
Lmfao
In the name of incest… don’t forget that part 💀💀
When the killer let's his intrusive thoughts ruin his perfect plan.
In case 2-3 I never understood why Mikan had pulled down the paper to show Hiyoko’s corpse. They never would’ve noticed it if she hadn’t pulled it off, so they wouldn’t have found the body.
I think it would've been really interesting if they discovered Hiyoko during the investigation, like they looked behind the curtain for evidence and then they found her.
Maybe we could have San-D make the discovery by accident. Just have him (they never really give a gender, so I'll just refer to it as a male) helping Gundham with looking for hidden evidence, only for him to crawl under and behind the wallpaper; have Hiyoko's body be discovered that way.
@@newbiegamelover4767 Like after San-D comes back out they're just sad and Gundham's like "this curtain contains evil energy that must be expelled" or smth and they pull it back and its just dead Hiyoko. I'm pretty sure that Hiyoko not being revealed until later would be both shocking and make the case more realistic, if only slightly.
@@creppruby I would have rather had this because when you think more about the murder, unless Mikan was secretly the ultimate track runner which is a stretch for even that talent it's near impossible for her to pull down Hiyoko's body.
Think about it, there was a time span of less than 10 minutes, so around nine. Hajime left to get the others which would be around 5-7 minutes, so Mikan pulled the wallpaper off, folded and put it back in the storage, broke a camera, glued a door completely shut, and left to meet up with Fuyuhiko in that time.
Doesn't that seem a bit impossible? Especially making sure a door is completely glued shut. Let's not forget it may have taken less time as she had to search with Fuyuhiko for Ibuki before. It's unrealistic, I feel like San-D discovering the body with Gundham by accident is much better.
@@nyamithewolf5720 Maybe the Despair Disease also gave her sonic speed! XD
I just realised this but Celestia is technically the only character who planned on having 2 victims she planned for Taka and Hifumi to die, whilst Mikan only planned on Ibuki dying, and Korekiyo only planned on whoever went into the center of the circle whilst Hiyoko and Angie were accidental victims
@@komitarz Tenko wasn’t an accidental victim, Angie and Hiyoko were.
@@HeyKechi ah, so that's what they meant. Guess i didnt understand it, thx for explaining
@@HeyKechi I never said Tenko was an accidental victim Hiyoko and Angie are accidental, Korekiyo only planned for 1 person to die and he didnt care who it was
@@zookeeps1340 I was replying to a different comment and correcting them about the accidental victims, not you but the comment was deleted. Sorry for the confusion lmao
@@HeyKechi oh sorry lil
Mikan telling ibuki to kill herself wouldnt work because technically ibuki is the blackened because she killed herself same applies to sakura
But nobody asked Sakura to kill herself... it depends on how monokuma would see it, and since Ibuki can't control that I think it would be considered a murder
@@matheuscavalcante5503 isn’t it ‘Whoever did the final blow is the blackened’? Even if Mikan told Ibuki to kill herself, ibuki would be considered the blackened because she did the final blow. Words can’t kill people, well in this case anyway.
@@HeyKechi Monokuma will consider the one that is most interesting for a class trial. Simple as that
@@matheuscavalcante5503 So are you saying if Celeste didn’t kill Hifumi she’d still be the blackened because Hifumi was told by her to kill Ishimaru?
@@HeyKechi but wouldn't it be like in Dr2 trial 2. Monocular considered that if someone was used to kill someone (like a tool) then they wouldn't be the culprit since they would have no control. In Ibuki's case, she wouldn't have any control if Mikan told her to kill herself since she had the despair disease, so I don't think that she would be the culprit.
Also what I don’t get is that Korekiyo has gotten away with 100 murders. He is incredibly experienced with getting away with murder, but he gets caught, freaks out, doesn’t even try hard enough to hide it, and ultimately gets executed. This is the type of messed up logic we’re taking bout
same with sdr2
Tbf he says he “failed to make 100 friends”. He wasn’t THAT experienced
I mean it's 1 vs 9 people
What did you expect?
@@aboveaveragefrog4208 but he said that he was close to 100, which means he'd already killed more than 50 people
if he got away w that many murders then he probably never went to a trial lol
korekiyo's backstory was so poorly explained by the writers, i had to go on his fkn wiki page to realize his sister manipulated/abused him into thinking the way he did
exactly
its honestly really sad, they should of added it into the trial someway
Wait fr?? 💀💀💀
No it isn't poorly explained, it is something that couldn't be explained.
In an extreme case like his you'd almost never recognize it.
He isn't going to say that because he doesn't think it, because he was the victim. To have this info makes it incredibly obvious he is the murderer as the more personal life info the more likely we find out he did 100 murders by proxy and figure out he is the guilty party.
Adding this to the trial does nothing as he'd simply deny it being so deep into it. For them to add it requires them to artificially force him to realize it which would be far worse.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 ok, i see where you’re coming from. i wasn’t expecting him to come to a sudden realization or anything like that during the trial. with a situation & character like this it would be hard to tip off the audience in a smooth way.
danganronpa already had some weird unnecessarily incest-y situations (leon’s cousin having a crush on him, mukuro & junko) so at first i thought they were just tacking on that he was “in love” with his sister for shock value. then when i read up on korekiyo it became more and more obvious what was going on, so maybe it wasn’t as bad as i thought when i played through (like 5 years ago)
if they had actually done something with the idea of “if two people kill before a trial only the first one to do it gets executed” that they introduced in the trial they could have had korekiyo live past this trial and dropped more hints or something
SHIT I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT
It its just me that don't have any problems with any cases? Each one has something that always got my attention and curiosity on it.
Same, I don't have any problems with them either.. It's rare apparently
Same
Yeah..... i loved all of the 3rd cases.espcisally v3's one.
Samd
Yeah 3rd v3 is best
V3’s third case had a lot of missed potential there purely from the way they teased the possibility of a second culprit and what would happen. I would’ve loved to see the chemistry shift in the cast if someone else DID kill Angie, and they had to keep living with Korekiyo. That being said, with Kiyo’s freak out and the ending of the case, it remains one of my favorites because I do actually feel a great deal of sympathy towards him. Many people don’t seem to see it, but I believe his sister heavily manipulated and even groomed him, and if she hadn’t had such a great effect on him, I don’t think he would have killed in the first place. Not to mention that his execution made me so, so sad for him.
Right like imagine living with Korekiyo knowing he killed someone, that just had sooooo much potential to make the story rlly interesting, but I guess they only wanted kokichi to be the “antagonist” since having two would be a pain lol
@@rainischalk-late3540 Yeah, but they didn’t have to make Kiyo the antag if he had lived, or at least make him a minor one compared to Kokichi or even have the two work together (though unlikely given Kokichi hates killers). Kiyo being alive could’ve possibly caused a lot of distrust between everyone and Kiyo would be pushed away and would just cause a lot of interesting dynamics. There could even be a plot point where Kiyo knows something important but no one trusts him which would leave the cast in a worse situation because they didn’t listen to him. Kiyo is the character I’m most pissed died because he’s one of my favs and the rule made it seem a killer would live. Having Kiyo be both Angie’s and Tenko’s killer other than just Tenko’s felt lazy too me and I will not stop being mad about it.
Nah would’ve been pointless
These ideas always sound better on paper than reality
@@pn2294 i agree with you, man. Sometimes you've gotta see the forest instead of the trees or however that saying goes.
@@pn2294 but wasn't it so stupid when he went from "I'm not gonna die because I didn't kill Angie" to "oh no I'm panicking" within 2 minutes? When I first watched it, what I thought was "wow, that's stupid". They could definitely make him fight back a bit, and I was pissed of when they didn't :/
My biggest thing against 3rd trials is how one victim is ALWAYS sidelined. There's always one victim who didn't need to be there, could've been replaced with almost any other character, and doesn't get that much focus in the trial itself. I generally prefer when there's a reason for a particular blackened and victim. You can't replace the victim or killer in any of the DR 2nd trials, as the murders are unique to the characters involved. But with 3rd cases, at least one death is so impersonal to the character. Plus, with how complex 3rd trials are, their is no time to explore the emotional response to the death (excluding DR3's third trial). It sucks to see a character you like seemingly be thrown away and nobody in the game has time to really care about said loss.
For me, DR1 is the worst when it comes to this. I know the series is all about despair and all, but it almost feels sadistic to murder Ishimaru like that, when he'd reached his utterly lowest moment. Then, there's absolutly no time to even mourn him for a second, even Hifumi gets a few seconds of mourning. Ishimaru is kinda just...there. Not being important when he had so much potential. It's like shooting a puppy with a broken leg; at some point, I kinda just feel sad more than intrested in how it happened.
Ishimaru had potential to grow as a character after his closest friend Mondo butter died, but unfortunately the writers HAD to kill someone else, but I still feel like the third trial of the second game does it way worser since literally the writers ALSO threw Hiyoko away, her character had potential to grow after her closest friend Mahiru died, but nope :/
@@rainischalk-late3540 I will go to my grave saying that Taka should've lived instead of Hiro and Hiyoko should've lived instead of Sonia
Firstly, it makes NO SENSE to frame Hiro instead of Taka and doing so makes Celete look like a moron. I mean, given the facts of the case (Hifumi and another person killed by someone in a 'Robo Justice" suit), who would you suspect more? The guy who's obsessed with rules, has been very mentally unstable, is known for his intensity and has been replecating the manurisms in a killer for the last several days? Or the cowardly dude who's been chill most of the game? Plus, Taka has a reason to kill Hifumi, while Hiro has no grudge against Taka nor Hifumi. It just makes WAY MORE SENSE to frame Taka.
All this alone is enough to justify keeping Taka alive, but I haven't even adressed the fact that seeing his character develope would simply be more intresting than what we got with Hiro. Taka's such a fun character who gets wasted.
And Hiyoko! I'll admit that I don't like her much (I do prefer Sonia), but even I think she should've lived. She had so much development potential and she really would've rounded the surviving cast out well. As is, the cast as too many comedic characters (Sonia, Akane, and Kazuichi). Swapping her with Sonia would fix that and allow her to develope. Plus, she'd be forced to intreract with Fuyu more.
Sonia doesn't really get to do much throughout the game, so killing her wouldn't be too hard. I do like her interactions with Gundham however, so I'd kill her in chapter 4. Let's say Nekomaru and Ibuki die in CH3, then Gundham kills Sonia in CH4. Hell, maybe Sonia ASKS Gundham to kill her so that everyone else can escape. It would finally put her talent to use, as the Ultimate Princess should be willing to die for her people (or friends in this case).
@@spiritofchaos58 dont do sonia like that
@@spiritofchaos58 I have never heard someone take the EXACT WORDS out of my mouth.
@@Cuyite I'd rather a character I like die a hero than live long enough to be unimportant and get no development.
The chapter 3 victims sometimes only have focus on one victim, like Hifumi, Ibuki, and Tenko like you said in the video. THEY DIDN’T EVEN EXPLAIN HIYOKO’S MURDER WEAPON.
I-
Holy shit you're right. I've played that trial like three times, I can't believe I didn't notice that!
It’s implied that it was a knife (if I’m not mistaken) but my biggest problem with it is why Mikan would bring a knife,she didn’t need to,and it wasn’t found either
@@y.sunnyy It could be a scalpel (relating to mikan's talent)
@@y.sunnyy exactly... why did she bring it
From what I heard, Hiyoko was a very last minutde descision, as I believe Fuyuhiko was meant to die originally. That’s probably why Hiyoko was so rushed.
“Chances are, characters will be more memorable the longer they survive”
Hagakure: 👁👄👁
I've been calling him "weed dude" so much that I had to stop and think about who he was 💀
He’s just kinda there.
I forget about his existence-
Ishimaru should have survived instead.
I'm literally struggling to remember who that is
Korekiyo is still one of my favorite danganronpa characters. I don't see him as incestuous, because that's not who he is. He was emotionally manipulated by his sister in her final moments, and only wanted to make her happy. You know how people have daddy/mommy issues due to trauma? Yeah well, try sister issues.
That’s just headcanon tho isn’t it
@@GxGNoir No it's not, it's his actual backstory. :/
@@citrineshark9240 is it? Is that revealed in his FTE?
@@GxGNoir His free time events are only interests in anthropology. You have to actually look into him. Regardless, if you only see him as an incestuous character, this conversation is over.
@@citrineshark9240 ...I literally never said I only see him as an incestuous character I’m just trying to have a conversation about his character. He was my favorite character up until the third trial. I have heard many times that he was abused and brainwashed by his sister, but I have no idea where the basis for that belief comes from. If this is truly true, that makes the third trial even worse for not going into that and instead making him out to be an unsympathetic monster like all third trials do
Yeah I enjoy unsympathetic killers it’s definitely refreshing seeing killers who are just plain selfish
Same
Same
@Tenko Chabashira Yeah I do feel some sort of sympathy for them each. Celeste was living her life as a lie and took it to the extreme too late to turn back, Mikan was at her remnant of despair faze where she had no control of her persona and Korekiyo was groomed and sexually manipulated by his older sister
@@panta2000 not to mention Mikan was manipulated by Junko to have this Remnant of Despair persona
@@joenkotazuna9453 Yeah which was something she had no control of sadly
i just hate that mikan's execution is like that. she deserved a better one like they had the right idea with her on the hospital bed until they ruined it by being gross with the fan service and i know it's because junko was trying to rub salt in her wounds about her sexual abuse in the past and ridicule her about her trauma.
kiyo was interesting yes until that reveal that people like myself are allowed to be uncomfortable about.
Yeah Mikans execution is by far my least favorite in the whole series
@@nekonomicon2983 IM SO GLAD im not alone LOL ive seen too many try to justify it because of her FTS but its just disgusting and unnecessary! not to mention, its over within 3 seconds unlike other punishments. its supposed to be her "death" right? but oh no, gotta sexualize her AGAIN oh yes its so fitting! /sarcasm
It’s my least favorite! But I want to mention that the giant arm and giant needle go to her dislike of oversized things, it looks really random but oversized things are a personal thing to Mikan somehow. It doesn’t make the execution any better but at least it isn’t as random as people think!
@@aguilera2966 RIGHT!!! ive seen people say the dislike of oversized things is something perverted which makes me so pissed lol idk im sensitive when it comes to this topic because i really love her character and no one likes thinking more in depth about her just omg lol fanservice nurse go burrr XD (i hated typing that so much)
@@kurumiwendy i think its odd because she's the only execution where we don't see what happens to her body. I mean it's implied it goes into space but that's about it.... no aftermath or anything it just... ends.
I mean even in other executions where we don't see the body its because the execution ended in an explosion or something
Tenko: YOU ALREADY KILLED ANGIE, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO KILL ME!
Korekiyo: t'was for sister
WHY IS THIS SO FUNNY HELP
WHY IS THIS SO FUNNY TO ME
fix my sense of humor now
Why am I laughing so hard at this
Why didn't he kill anyone in the frist round?
V3-3 could have been seriously improved if someone else killed Angie, while Korekiyo killed Tenko. Then we would have a situation where the class was forced to live with a known killer, then he would be a real easy victim for chapter 4.
I do wonder it gonta would still be the culprit in that case... cuz I mean- EVERYONE would be wanting to kill him..
That’s precisely why they didn’t do that. It’s too predictable and detracts from the group’s value.
@@pn2294 I disagree the problem is that by introducing such an integral rule like the 2 blackened situation they created a chekhovs gun scenario
And it's not like they didn't have an out or anything
They could've easily had Tsumugi be the one to create the locked room mystery murder and use her power as the mastermind to pin it on Kork as she felt Angie's takeover would've ruined the ratings of the show, she already pinned Kaede's failed mastermind murder attempt on her to cover up her murder of Rantaro, ontop of having the monokids tamper with any evidence of her involvement so it really wouldn't have been that big of a deal since she's the mastermind and the showrunner.
And yeah I know that chekhov's gun isn't a strict story telling principle to follow but THE NEXT CHAPTER THEY DID JUST THAT WITH THE MONOTARO/MONOPHANIE SUBPLOT BEING A SET UP FOR THE ROBOT WASP USED IN GONTAS EXECUTION
So it honestly just comes across as disingenuous and a missed opportunity
It's the last game for fucks sake they should've done something with it
But I mean what's done is done so whatever lol
@@pn2294 They kinda did that in 2-1 where no one trusted nagito anymore after he showed his insane side
@@raikoedgymoto sounds like you’re one of the people who were talking through Keebo
The point was to feel cheated by Tenko’s murder since there was no reason to kill her
I feel like there's an obvious potential of a 3rd case: just let it be two murderers.
I imagine something like this:
There is a murder, then, the mastermind (using cameras or something) finds out and decides to kill someone else (for personal reasons, as in: I need to kill this person with my own hands), knowing they can't be punished because a murder already happened.
Then they actually get away with it in the trial, maybe the method is discovered, but not their identity. But the students only need to find out the first killer so there's not much problem.
Later, in the sixth trial, they find new evidence (like in V3) and they re-do that trial to unmask the mastermind.
That’s something that happens in a Drv3 fanfic called “I trade my life for yours,” it does that same concept with the v3 mastermind and a different victim of the third trial.
Tbh I would like to have 2 murderers, like, 2 people decided to kill someone at the same time of the day, and they need to figure out who was killed first, and live with the other blackened unpunished
@@chicken0w044 I wonder what would've happened when two people cooperated and each killed one person at the same time
@@candicenunez976 there's a case like that in sdr2 (fangame)
_May i tell you that someone in a Ao3 fanfic did that?_
RIP TAKA, RIP HIYOKO AND RIP TENKO
Y'ALL DESERVED BETTER
rip ibuki hifumi and angie 😔😔
Kinda hate Tenko but she should've lived for character devopment and Himiko
Rip kork 😞
Yeah taka and tenko deserved better
@@ardexii I mean yes, still their character arcs were complete
tbh the 3rd trial cases has the most "interesting" people...it's obvious those three have gone through a shit ton of trauma, especially mikan and kork. mikan was abused and korekiyo was groomed, not sure about celeste but she was living her life a lie...i just hate how it seems to be a throwaway case especially in korekiyo's since they introduced that rule and i wish that the case did have two blackeneds. i also hate the way they're portrayed it seems slimy?? mikan was abused by junko so heavily she thought junko was in love with her and the same with kork and his sister like if they weren't abused i feel like they never would have killed in the first place.
ALSO the way they present their abuse is alike...mikan is seen as the crazy girl who's in love with someone who doesn't exist and korekiyo is seen as creepy incest guy but when you look at the bigger picture you can see the actual issue at hand.
For Celestia- at one point in the game she says something akin to that she gambled everything except for the clothes on her back. While a bit of a stretch you could interpret that as letting some people use her body if you wanna get that dark. Also makes it darker when she (falsely) claims in game that Taka raped her and took pictures. I believe in the anime they watered it down and he “put a hand to her.”
My problem is not their mental health itself, but their portrayal.
Celeste's felt super rushed. You'd expect the ultimate gambler, who pretty made up her entire persona, to not crack so easily.
Mikan's outburst was.... fine. The usage of the despair disease felt cheap, and her execution took a giant shit on her character. Literally fucking orgasmed on a needle rocket and blew up. It's not even tragic, just insulting.
Also, the reveal in the anime that she was quite literally brainwashed through some dumb despair video kinda ruined that part of her character for me.
Kiyo was revealed to be a literal serial killer. That's what ruined it for me. That combined with the seesaw and incest thing just kinda made it feel ridiculous rather than profound.
@@rown2689 Yeah, especially for Kiyo, it almost felt comical which completely ruins his character
As an actual abuse victim, i want to tell you, it should have been you
@@HTFFanOfFlaky ?
If I were to write a double murder, I would just put "The two victims killed each other". That seems way more interesting than just having one culprit. Or have two blackeneds, like V3 mentioned.
But then who would get executed in a double victim killing each other 🧐
@@walterwhitecookingchannel8912 In the first case, there wouldn't be an execution. In the second case, the first one who killed unless the second blackened killed the first blackened
In the first situation, a similar situation already happened in the first game with Sakura's suicide
@@larajamila005 Technically, but then Alter Ego happened
What if something happened like if there was one victim and two blackendes like maybe they strangled the victim with rope and each held both ends of it
i don't think the trial ruined Mikan because it played into the twist of everybody being ultimate despairs i think the reaction of fans ruined her because she's way more than just her ultimate despair personality but often I see her being reduced to just a crazy yandere or something and people also fetishize her and junko's relationship which is just disgusting
Yeah I think people are so off put by her freak out that they never listen to what she’s saying. I kind of did that too at first which is odd because Mikan is my favorite thing ever now, but everytime I replayed chapter 3 it just got better and better to me now it’s one of my favorites in the series, easily top 5 and maybe even top 3
yeah but she lost her shit very weridly
Yeah I really didn’t like the way they tried to tie the despair disease into the ultimate despair thing.
I think it was her character as a whole, I had no trouble following the plot but she was written like fan service.
She was a klutz who ended up in fetishy situations and would freak out about it. That is horrible for any character you want to take seriously, especially if she leans into that during the time you're suppose to take her seriously.
"people also fetishize her and junko's relationship" she is literally a fanservice character. The game is constantly treating her like a practical joke that only exists for people to gawk at. I can't see how anyone can think Mikan is a well written character when it is SO OBVIOUS she is just a fetishbait character. She is so annoying to me because there could have been a lot of depth to a nurse character that ends up killing two people, but she is basically just a joke fanservice character.
Even if people fetishing her and junko's relationship is weird, you can't deny the game dehumanises Mikan into just being fanservice to begin with.
That would be interesting if the 3rd case this time has two murderers
A fanganronpa already did it
(Spoilers for a fanganronpa)
*laughs in sdra2*
Himiko would probably kill maki if this happened if that’s even possible
SPOILERS FOR SDRA2
*laughs in Otonokoji*
I’m sorry I didn’t know that the other character was the killer too (not pointing out names)
I cried for TeruTeru. He wanted to go home to check on his mom because he promised her he would go home after he graduates. Also, he wanted to try and save the others by killing Nagito.
Screw Teruteru
At first, i disliked Teruteru because hes a pervert, but after the 1st trial i just felt bad for him. Poor boy just wanted to go home to see if his mom is ok😭😭💔💔
@@RealRosieLol Ikr 😞 😭
Teruteru tried to date rape hajime tho
I might of liked him even more if he DID kill Nagito.
theory: danganronpa and ace attorney creators are being blackmailed to follow these trends every case three and puporsfully make them horrible
KNEW IT
Case 3 aren't all horrible stfu
@@bnemel5
V3’s case was good.
Goodbye Despair’s was awful.
Trigger Happy Havoc’s was disappointing.
@@sugarysweet6695 I liked goodbye despair's one
Not gonna lie, all the third cases in Ace Attorney's second trilogy grabbed my attention than the first trilogy's
But yeah, the third cases in DR are cursed
Celeste's chapter was the worst for me. She was my favorite character up until that point, and her portrayal in Chp.3 did not do her justice. The most frustrating part was that there were actually good ideas in there. From the beginning, she was a calm and 'adaptable' person. So, the reveal that those characteristics were a part of the facade she created was great. Also, they manage to make her both selfish and, subtly sympathetic. Yea, she wanted money, but she was also desperate to leave. "Actually no, Taeko Yasuhiro is fine" and "I can't say I ever saw it that way.." are some of the best character building lines to me. A
All the positives were weighed down by the culprit being VERY obvious (same with Kiyo) and her behavior not aligning with the Ultimate Gambler title. The breakdown during the trial and the murder plan just do not mesh with the Celeste we had seen beforehand. However, I could take the breakdown if it was the result of an well-executed plan being figured out.
And what got her was so stupid „Like those guys did” She could’ve meant Sayaka, Leon, but most likely Chihiro and Mondo because they died recently, but She started panicking like hell and its not even similar to her character? They did her wrong there
What I love is that the case 3 culprits are the most irredeemable out of all them.
Celeste : literally killed for money.
Mikan : the most fucked up out of all the Ultimate Despairs
Korekiyo : delusional serial killer thinking he's sending all his victims to his dead sister.
(At the end of V3, it was found out that all the backstories, including Korekiyo's were falsified for the killing game. But I'm just gonna count it anyway.)
Or maybe it's just me idk
Yea I appreciate chapter 3 for taking a different approach on the culprits and not trying to make us feel sympathetic for every single character
Bullshit I love Mikan to death
@@Chiakiandmikanarebest I do too, but even you have to admit that Despair!Mikan is utterly bonkers.
@@friskycalibri2293 I know and I love her regardless
@@Chiakiandmikanarebest As I stated before, I do too.
Also mikan's VA keeps the soft squeaky voice when freaking out. HOW-?!!!?!?
Because they're a professional voice actor.
She voiced Sailor Moon, who is the opposite of characters like Mikan, Orihime, and Hinata, but was still able to keep that same voice.
Because Mikan is literal perfection
I would like to disagree with Ace Attorney fans, the third case in the first game is the best because it gave us Dee Vasquez
Fair. But it was SO. LONG. For no specific reason.
What about Dee Vasquez?
not to mention Edgeworths objection
Ah yes, the most important lesbian of video games
@@Anko3342 what do you mean?
I think the reason why they didn't focus much on hiyokos death was because she was originally going to be a survivor and Fuyuhiko was supposed to take hiyokos death, but then the game crew realized that if Fuyuhiko died, it would make Pekos sacrifice for nothing, so they rushed to switch hiyoko and Fuyuhikos roles because they were at a deadline and didn't have enough time to explain her murder weapon, etcetera (but I think her murder weapon could be a surgery knife because Mikan is a doctor). Though I do wish that both Fuyuhiko and hiyoko survived because they both would've been great characters and forgive eachother for their actions.
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But I'm not really that upset about the deaths in the game anymore because they are all alive anyways except Chiaki
honestly im still sad they change it....i hate baby gnagsta and that little tw... equally, but i would like to see(saw) something go in vain... like sometines it all goes to hell no matter how much you witsh otherwise... just for a change in franchise
That’s just a rumor theirs no evidence like that was gonna happen.
To be fair. Chiaki was never real to begin with.
*Btw I will never accept the anime as canon.*
@@Little_Eris yeah that rumor was I'm pretty sure on some korean website that also said that Mahiru and Nagito are a couple sooo
@@darksonicyt5430 she was tho lol, weather you accept it or not doesn’t change the fact that its canon. You shouldn’t try to force your non canon ideas on people just because you don’t like what happened, that goes for anyone
My perfect Chapter 3 is having someone kill someone, then another person kills, but the first person is only the guilty one (what they teased in V3). I feel as if the concept of having a killer still in the group afterwards would create a lot of tension
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Yo v3 took my comfort character, gave him a shitty backstory, then proceeded to make most of the fandom hate him and it still bothers me to this day.
YEAH LIKE KIYO DESERVED BETTER-
I'm still pissed off about it. I even stopped playing the game for a bit
same with me but with kaede. she was just used as a stepladder for shuichi and her death was meaningless. one of the things i hate abt this.
that's my main problem with v3, a lot of the characters felt like plot devices for another character to develop (kaede, tenko, eventually kaito) more than actual characters, or they were wasted potential characters (ryoma, kiyo, rantaro). sucks too considering how the v3 cast seem the most interesting
@@ladida1587 fr imma say I hate the game but loved the characters, and felt like they were all wasted potential
I love the 3rd trails, I just love how everyone loses their cool. My personal favorite is Korekiyo..for many reasons. The first reason is..the way he was so quick to pinpoint Himiko as the culprit..and gave very good reasons on why she could be the culprit. I believed his deductions, because they were honestly very smart and clever and he was careful with his words most of the time..but would go quite quiet when being pinpointed. Another reason, that plotwist with his mask..I honestly thought he was a girl, but no..he just wore lipstick and pretended to be his sister. My last reason is because at the near end where he loses it all together. His "APOLOGIZE APOLOGIZE APOLOGIZE" and the scream just had so much emotion into it..it just felt all too real.
I love Korekiyo, even though alot of people don't. He was manipulated by his sister, probably had a mental illness after her death, pretended to be her for comfort, was really calm before being executed (ex: I'll be watching you guys from the afterlife and cheering you on etc) only to be salted by not only Monokuma..but his sister that he thought he loved ever so deeply. Pure and utter despair. Hate him if you want, but I honestly loved him as a character way too much. He was unique.
I 100% agree, this is why i love kiyo so much!
@Neda Tatić WE HAVE THE SAME MIND 💞💞 I'm a Kiyo Kinnie 💙
@@GRIMFOLLY956 Yess!! We stan him in this house 😤💞
@@bathwaterforbreakfast986 WOOOO 💖💖💖
@@bathwaterforbreakfast986 The main reason I didn't like you was his design: I LOVED his breakdown, its my second favorite breakdown in any murder mystery (Celeste first because the voice acting.) I really like super simple designs, such as Chihiro and those people.
I think that a lot of the problems with Danganronpa cases come from it being a video game. There has to be overly complex trials in order to have a long game - it doesn't logicaly make sense that you need definitive evidence to prove someone, or that you just get randomly accused if you get a game over. It tries to be like Ace Atourney, except that in that you need evidence because you are in court, plus you gradually gain evidence while in Danganronpa you have all evidence when the trial starts most of the time.
I have to agree. Ace Attorney also has the benefit of cases lasting more days so you can explore one option them find new stuff. Plus, watching Dangerompa (I can’t play it due to my disability, but I watch it) a lot of the evidence has to be “bigger”. A lot of times I see a case and go “well that would be solved if they has Fingerprint/Blood testing”. Of course that doesn’t always work, but a lot of the cases could be solved that way. But because they don’t have that the deaths have to be more elaborate so that the game can be long and you can have a mystery. I was baffled by how over the top 3-2 was almost needlessly and I did find it silly. 3-5’s whole mysetry would not have worked if they had blood analysis and the whole thing with 3-1. I won’t spoil, but still. Case 3’s do hace this struggle. I saw someone write that “they always lill a loved and hated character” and I think it’s kind of true. Though for me when Tenko died I felt her development was too little too late for me. With DR yiu know (most) of the players from the start so yes, the later ones get more love, but you also have to dive into so many. I find most motives contrived because you have to explain why seemingly good kids just murder each other (one thing case 3 culprits kind of do right since they’re kind of crazy), but with Ace Attorney you can have some trashy people and never know who to trust since you just met a number of them that case. It has it’s issues too, and while I do like some case threes more than the aversge fan I can see the dislike. I judt personally think Ace Attorney is better at making complex cases that don’t feel like “I moved the body even if that makes it harder, but guess I wanted to inctriminate this one specific person so oops”. I also kind of find the wording tips me off because of the “rules” in 1-3 since Celeste was the one who planned both, but Hifumi killed Taka, Monokuma said “only the mastermind matters” in case 3-3 he said that “only the first victim matters” which kind of made me think Angie and Tenko were killed by the same person, but maybe that was just me. He also acted kind of obvious, and sometimes I like the obvious villains. They can work. I remember one person defending an Ace Attorney case saying showing the villain made the case more fascinating since you knew who just not how. So obvious villains aren’t always bad, just sometimes boting. I also find sone DR things odd. Like being someone who uses sound a lot I find it a bit tricky to believe that the other three woukdn’t have heard Kiyo moving based on his voice coming from a different spot not to mention angle since he was on the ground. You could argue the other three’s voices drowned it out, but I think they were listening since he was the only one memorizing the song. Maybe I’m bias since I like Ace Attorney more, and I don’t mean to rant, but I do agree that Ace Attorney makes the case stystem work better than Dangenrompa a lot of the time.
Not only that, the trials are where all the action is. Save for a few moments, not many things happen before the case. They essentially have to cram the mystery, drama, and motive all in a singular session. Unlike ace attorney which has plenty of stuff happen outside the trials, and even if there wasn't, theres far more leeway. It's a shock the writers only stumble so hard on double murders.
Me: *Likes Mikan*
After Case 3: *Nothing has changed*
Y E S!!! I love it when the trail doesn't matter and you still love the person no matter what!! Hilda gets an award for....uhm- yes! Sorry (≧▽≦)(╥﹏╥)
@@coralineferol1855 Lol
That's me but with Kork lol
Me: Dislikes Mikan
After case three: Still dosen't care about mikan
@@alabastorhouse5965 cool?
i LOVED korekiyo before... everything was revealed. i loved his perspective on life, his admiration of humanity, his spooky vibes, his design, even his lab! he was so cool! but then..... e w.
To be fair the writers completely squandered his character potential with his backstory of him being a literal abuse victim by watering it down to "gross incest guy". They unfortunately did the same thing with Mikan 😭😭
My problem with the third case of V3 is because of that rule, that only one of the killers would be executed. It would be very interesting to see how the characters would have to act with a killer living with them and it would clearly create some discussions that would be interesting to watch. But they practically threw the idea in the trash for Korekiyo to kill them both with a case that is probably one of the ones I hate the most in the franchise.
The third chapter are like fillers I dont take seriously. I usually watch them with food and my blanket cause they feel cosy to watch since they are so easy to figure out.
Yeah plus they're like the midpoint of the games, usually in the fourth chapter it's when the story heats up.
wait you telling you DON'T watch all games with food and blanket?
I don't completely hate the third cases, but I agree that they're not the best ones. However, the only one that I really don't like is the second one, mainly because how one of the victim's death felt like it didn't serve a purpose (Ibuki's), and because the case itself, and what allegedly happened didn't make sense, even in the game world. On the contrary, I actually really like v3's third case, because even though the killer was predictable, it introduced a concept that most of us hadn't considered, that concept being two different killers. Also, Korekiyo's breakdown is _always_ satisfying to watch.
Welltbf ibuki had to die at some point because it didn't seem like she was going to get any character development anyway. She was mostly used as a comic relief character.
@@iliekoreoz788 true, unlike most characters she's already a fully developed character so having her survive would make any focus on her dependent on characterization and exploration instead of development and change which doesn't happen a lot in danganronpa (kokichi is the only example I can think of), so yeah unfortunately her chances of survival are very slim even in fan re-writes
I think if Ibuki was murdered without the existence of the despair disease, it would've been even more painful and "despair inducing". She was bright, confident and happy. Somebody had to end that along with the life of another person, and the thought of it being a suicide was even more horrific.
Of course, there'd need to be a reason for the characters to be in the hospital and away from everyone else. Maybe a different disease? Or maybe Monokuma forces the groups apart, but then it'd be too close to the whole grape/strawberry house thing
they're my personal favorite. The fifth and forth cases are usually the ones i get the most bored or annoyed by (excluding Mukuro's case. That was a fun mystery). I just enjoy how manipulative the culprits are and how creepy the chapter 3 cases are!
Tbh Celeste and Korekiyo are my two favorite culprits in the franchise
He can I hate the 4th and 5th the funhouse and virtual world are great and they all make me cry and the suicide was a great plot twist
the only good fifth trial was chiakis or nagitos
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i hated mikans but celestes and korks are my favourite and the reasons they are some of my favourites and they develop the characters so much
@@vfsberry7491 the 4th one was great for v3 what do you mean?! It had so much suspense between kaito and kokichi
Wow someone else who enjoys 5-1 I thought I was the only one!
Case 3 breakdowns are the BEST and I LOVE them. Sure they might be unnecessarily complex or simply rushed, but the killers' breakdowns are SO. GOOD. They give me CHILLS. Like you said, the voice acting is amazing and I applaud the voice actors for it.
I'm honestly kind of surprised to hear that there are people who hate on the Chapter 3 culprits for "turning crazy", it feels like half their fans like them specifically *because* of them acting like that lmao
That is true but I think there is a huge split. Some people really like that and some people hate it
for me i celestia was the only one who's trial made me like her more. to me it her a some what a realistic character. During her breakdown, she becomes angered that her insecurities are being used to unraveling her plan and celeste trying desperately to try and convince everyone that she is celestia ludenberg and not teako yasuhiro
Mikan's made me kinda uncomfortable
and I did really like Korekiyo's but for some reason spike chunsoft decided to completely assassinate his character by making him an over the top serial killer because, for some reason, they always need to reveal someone as a serial killer. also the way the presented his "relationship" with his sister was also a wierd left field statement.
i really think if they had just stuck to korekiyo wanting to perform an actual seance because he was just that desperate to see his sister one more time. they could have had said that korekiyo just withheld information. keeping to his creepy personality but making him some what humanising
Are you part of a debate club, because your arguments are always solid. Like you leave no space for argument.
Hiyoko literally died without a reason she could've been switched with Sonia. Hey you are half naked go to the music venue for a mirror! What? I should bring it to you? nah
If hiyoko survived: Redemption Arc, Works together with fujuhiko in the end etc.
If sonia died: Kazuichi and Gundham would get more development and there would be so many new possibilities for chapter 4. Also Sonia is just the: I make weird jokes and say weird things so kazuichi can simp . Character. I know she has a cool design and Talent but- It would be really much better if she died.
I agree
As a Sonia kinnie, I kinda agree :'))
I agree and disagree, in one hand sonia is a great character and deserve to live and in the other hand your right, if sonia died their would be alot of character development potential for the others
Kazuichi and Gundham wouldn't get development. First of all, Kazuichi never liked Sonia for who she was, just her status as a princess. Sure he would be devastated but that wouldn't change him. Second of all, Gundham and Sonia weren't close in Chapter 3 so there would have been no development for him as well
This. I believe a big problem that SDR2 has is that a lot of its characters rely on their FTE's for seeing the overall character. If Sonia had interactions with both Kazuichi and Gundham, then both of the characters would get better development. Instead, Sonia's relationship with Gundham is paltry and doesn't seem genuine at all. It's really surprising how changing death order would impact three characters in the narrative.
Also for that last part I'd like to add that even Angie's body discovery was super creepy, with all the mannequins of the dead students hanging upside down, making the whole scene look like some cult ritual was eerie as hell. Would have been even more terrifying if angie was also hanged or, knowing Korekiyo's questionnable skills with ropes, tied up in an unnatural position maybe.
In v3 they made the rule that whoever killed first was executed was wasted. I really wish that there was a second murderer in the trail so that there would've been that twist plus that couldve given the story a new aspect of having a murderer in the cast. Like maybe they survive even though they killed someone. You know what i mean.
And im sad that i lost Kiyotaka, Ibuki and Tenko.
me too, i also would have liked to see everyone else’s feelings towards korekiyo after that trial, since in this case everyone would still have known about him killing tenko (as he admitted it). i think it would have created more conflict and tension. it would also create more despair for both everyone else in the game and us, playing the game. i don’t know, i just think it was a missed opportunity.
but who would've killed Angie tho?
@@lilveltheplayer2164 Why not the 2nd one who died to Korekiyo?
I wish each chapter was different cause each chapter there is a pattern
Chapter 1 someome friendly or innocent person dies
Chapter 2 the killer kills someone to protect something/someone
Chapter 3 Double Murder and For greed
Chapter 4 The buff ppl die (Sakura, Nekomaru,Gonta)
Chapter 5 Someome close to you dies (Kyoko,Makoto,Nagito,Kokichi/Kaito)
Chapter 6 Mastermind Reveal
Like I wish they at least change the order or make it different
Nah. It wouldn’t add anything to change it.
I haven’t seen V3 ( I actually remembered, the first vic was Rantoro wasn’t it? Nobody knew his talent.)and I completely agree with ch 1 murder of Danganronpa 2. But Sayaka was def not innocent. This is where I assume you added in the friendly part because she seemed quite friendly with everyone.
The real pattern for Ch 1 is that “someone who you think is going to be a major character dies”.
Sayaka, Fatogami, Kaede
Chapter 2 doesn’t work out either because in the first game mondo killed chihiro mainly because he was jealous of him
@@thegodandsaviorbidoof2415 yeah and if I remember correctly, he didn’t even intend on killing him, it was a jealousy fueled rage. He was so out of it that he remembered being jealous and angry and the the next moment Chihiro was dead.
"Either that or be Junko Enoshima"
shut up despair girl.
I wish there was double executions instead of double victims on a game, because instead of them immediately dying and ruining two potentials, you can get two culprits who can still leave a final mark on you, also a cool twist
I’ve been thinking about this about V3s case. Why would’ve been Korekiyo’s excuse to perform a seance if he didn’t intend to kill anyone before hand???
Also Kokichi’s fakeout near the end of investigation was wonderful
I don't remember if the game gave an explanation to that or not. If I had to come up with something on the spot, maybe he planned to revive one of the 4 students that were already dead for some other reason
@@DerpyHiro it for sure didn’t give an explanation (I had just finished the third trial the other day). Yeah maybe there is some galaxy brain ultra complex reason for him doing it
This is something random I have noticed, but in every chapter three, the victim/s are my favorite characters in each game. Those being Taka, Ibuki, Hiyoko and Angie.
Also another random thing but with the Despair Disease, how did Hajime not catch it at all? I mainly ask this since Mikan(who had the disease) was sleeping with him multiple times. So how did Hajime not get sick?
Honestly from what i can remember, hajime never got brainwashed by junko like the others did. He was already izuru when he met junko and he was CONVINCED by junko to help her spread despair.
I think this could be why he was immune to it, as the characters who did get infected by it were ones that got brainwashed into becoming remnants.
Anime/Danganronpa logic?
my headcannon which makes sense to me is that the despair disease is simply alter ego junko messing with their personality coding (since they are in a simulation), except for mikan she just unlocked her sealed memories, it's probably one of the most premeditated cases by monokuma's hands he had full control there I believe
Maybe his immune system is stronger idk?
The thing with DRV3's Case 2 is that yeah Kirumi pulled off a near perfect kill but she couldn't just leave Ryoma's body in his lab, the whole point of her motivation was to get out of that situation so she had to pin it on someone to increase the chances of the spotlight not getting on her when suspicion is brought up. Since she knew about the magic show, Himiko (or maybe even Angie to make it seem like Angie was pinning it on Himiko since they were both working on it) was the perfect person to pin it on.
Had she left the body there, then the case and the trial will go nowhere with no concrete evidence to point it to anyone other than "who was last seen with Ryoma" or "who was near his lab last" and even so, the cast would be shooting in the dark trying to guess the blackened (to which, in a sense, would benefit the blackened but at the same time, if you successfully pin it on someone, it accelerates the process of everyone picking the wrong person).
EDIT: You know, now that I think about it, it's so odd no one suspected Angie at all during Case 2 even when she was throwing Himiko under the bus during that trial.
EDIT EDIT: Also regarding DR2's Case 3, I dunno if it's just me but Mikan being the killer was soooooo obvious the moment I saw Hiyoko's body thinking "Yeah, Mikan DEFINITELY murked Hiyoko after how she was treated lmao". Plus the whole hospital thing and Mikan getting a lot of attention that chapter kinda made it too obvious if she wasn't the victim.
I really like the breakdowns but the cases itself, aside from the first game are a meh
1-3 Is really good, and at least has a second victim that is not by accident.
2-3 Is not bad, but it is not that memorable
3-3 It wad pretty obvious that Kirekiyo killed Tenko, but since they said that only the first victim mattered, and I thought it was interesting to have a killer alive, but no
So yeah, third cases are not bad but they are not that memorable
@Peko With a bat yes
i feel like the V3 trial 3 would’ve been one of my favorites if angie’s killer wasn’t korekiyo. he was pretty obvious, so at first it would seem to fit the “obvious culprit” theme for third trials, but then the twist of the only killer that counts being someone else would’ve been shocking and made the trial much better imo. i don’t know who to replace as the actual culprit, but that outcome would’ve been a lot better honestly
@@ris1111 Same, Korekiyo is one of my favorite characters, and it would've been interesting to have a killer be alive
Why? He would only serve as a red herring for the rest of the game.
Did you want to see him get a redemption arc?
1-3 isn't really good imo. V3 did it the best. Dude uses a seesaw and it's funny.
V3's 3rd case in a nutshell
Shuichi: It's you, Korekiyo! You set up the seance, and stepped on the floorboard!
Korekiyo: Yeah, well, how was I able to FIND it in the dark, huh?
Shuichi: You found it by listening to the squeaks.
Korekiyo: But it was dark, so how did I find my way to it? Your logic is invalid!
Shuichi: Idk, you probably memorized where it was. Just give up, we know it's you, dude.
Korekiyo: Nuh uh, I need a reason!
Shuichi: Fine. Uh, you followed the dust circle. Now let's vote-
Korekiyo: NUH UH! How was I able to find the circle?
Shuichi: What?! It's literally in the center of the room! You just had to walk forward!
Korekiyo: Nah, you're trippin'. Give proof.
Shuichi: Okay, fine! You followed the damn line from the corner. Now can we just vote Korekiyo already?
Korekiyo: NAH MAN I GOT A PICTURE OF THE CIRCLE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT LINE! YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT IS INVALID NOW!
Shuichi: THE PICTURE IS FAKE THEN, IT IS LITERALLY YOU AND WE ALL KNOW IT!
Korekiyo: YEAH BUT EVEN AFTER ALL THAT YOU STILL GOT NO PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF!
Keebo: Fine, here's the picture from my memory.
Korekiyo: BUT WAIT HOLD ON A SECOND!! DON'T VOTE ME!!
Shuichi: ....
I had a stroke reading this
Same
Idk why we needed proof on how Kiyo knew where to walk in the dark. Dude has the WHOLE circle drawn out just by his memory. I’m sure he can visualize where to walk easily.
This perfectly describes the unnecessary trial run time when most cases can be solved in minutes very easily.
You're so spot on about the "chapter 3 ruins their character" part! I loved Korekiyo at first sight (still kinda do) but after completing chapter three, I was so icked out and disappointed that I feel bad liking him so much (I definitely don't talk about him with anyone because it's so awkward).
I maxed out his events immediately, always talked to him first or whenever he was anywhere on the map even the tiniest bits of dialog, called him "bestie" ......
after that trial I felt betrayed amd disgusted with myself for ignoring the "red flags" (talking about his sister(hoped it was just miu being over dramatic and he was just a good brother caring for his sick sister), his calm when facing talk of death(I assumed he was just death positive from his job being exposed to different cultures that view death differently and funerals))
@@adi4748 While it is 100% incest, his sister groomed and manipulated him, so it wasn't entirely his fault.
I don't really get why liking a villain is suddenly some moral taboo in a game about murder. If people judge you over liking a 2d fictional anime boy villain with some messed up tendencies that's kind of weird.
@@halcifer9000nah, the awkward thing is that Korekiyo has an incest case, and a very lot of people just don’t get that this poor boy has been completely brainwashed
Celestia's case was just so confusing to me. (I've only seen the dr1 anime, this could be different in the game), but the only way they figure out she murdered Hifumi was due to her saying "We are going to die, just like they did." She said that, even though only one body had been discovered. The thing is, she could have been talking about the four other people who had previously died, as it was the third chapter. She went crazy way to quickly, and easily could've won. idk, might just be how I saw it but it frustrates me.
it annoys me to they should of at least keep her more in character and its also like they forgot about the rules but this is of coarse just my opinion.
I remember throughout v3 seeing korekiyo and thinking, "this is the only openly crazy character that seems like a cool guy," comparing him to Nagito and Junko, guess I was wrong
The ruined culprit problem isn't as bad for 2's case since Mikan regained her memories, so it was implied that she was acting as her old self and not as a traitor the entire time.
Am I the only one that still likes Celeste,Korekiyo and Mikan ???
No-
No
I still like celeste, and I never liked Mikan from the start-Something about mikan, was just unsettling to me from the begining.
i like all 3 of them with Korekiyo being my favorite
Celeste and korekiyo are ok
Not mikan tho
To me I always thought the reason they focused more on Ibuki and Tenko's murders because, overall, the cast at time cared more for them than the other (barely anyone really morned Hyoko's death and Miu at one point flat out said she was glad Angie was dead).
I think the 3rd cases are pretty amazing and very memorable. They remind us that people don't always murder because they want to sacrifice themselves to save someone, there's the harsh reality that people have selfish desires.
Why does the double kill always have to be in the third case? And why not use the double jeopardy rule in v3? I know it was a red herring, but honestly having two different blackeneds in one trial has a lot more potential for the story.
Its probably so the cases could be similar.
@@plushcentric but this is not good. It makes them so boring and predictable. It was fine in danganronpa 1 because it was the first time, but when they decided to do the same thing for the other two games it just made them repetitive. If for example, they would have happened at any chapter besides 3 it would have been better. And they should have also experimented with two culprits and also better motives for the killings. All of them are so silly, i mean come on, hiyoko just happened to bust in at the wrong moment, kiyo could have just stopped after he killed angie (i dont understand why did he have to kill tenko too) and the same can be said for celeste (although i guess it made more sense for her to kill hifumi because she might have feared to get betrayed by him)
The cases are not terrible, but they certainly had so much more potential.
I think since danganronpa has 6 chapters and chanpter 3 is the middle so at that pointits half way over meaning that they should start killing off more this time if we want to keep the suvivors to a specific number
If im honest I actually liked Korekiyo BECAUSE of chapter 3, Korekiyo I thought was just showing off like hey! I can kill people and I thought well thats gonna be wasted potential as a victim but I felt satisfied with Korekiyo ending.
He gives me creepy vibes
Personally i think celeste and korekiyo were good villains since korekiyo had a somewhat decent motive because of his sister and celeste because her selfish dream. i just felt like mikan shouldn't have been the villain in chap 3. that idea was stupid
I kind of feel like Mikan being the villain served a good purpose actually
What better way to show the gravity of the lost memories than to have the most innocent and gentle character be the one to convert back to a remnant of despair? If it were anyone else who turned back into a remnant, it'd be less impactful.
It makes you think early on in the game, "what kind of insane memories would make someone like Mikan, of all people, turn out so sadistic?" It prepares you for the actual reveal like nothing else could.
I believe that Mikan is just as evil as the other two. Mikan and Korekiyo are literally the same. Both manipulated, and driven to insanity. Mikan remembered everything that has happened before. Mikan, along with the rest of the cast had fallen into despair before, and they all had murdered people. Mikan was evil, with a motive like everyone else in the danganronpa outside world. For despair. She was quite relevant to the danganronpa world with the despair shenanigans. But I do agree that she shouldn't have been the villain, it would've been more interesting if it was Sonia that was the murderer ngl
I think the point with Kirumi's rope trick in v3 was that she wanted to pin the crime on Himiko, so that they'd have a target to vote on. The longer the class trial, the worse it gets, so making an obvious culprit would be the best strategy. Rush the vote, and have people guess wrong before they can think twice. Without a suspect, it leads to blind guessing and hearsay, and from there all it takes is a lucky guess or some stupidly trivial evidence to get yourself voted. It leaves the CHANCE that they just happen on you correctly, and it's a chance not worth taking if you can help it. Kirumi ALMOST helped it.
Case 3 in the 2nd game isnt bad in my opinion , I love how mikan sounds her voice actor did a really good job And hiyoko walking in on the crime is more realistic than the case from the first game.
The only negative in my opinion is how we don’t find out hiyoko murder weapon and why mikan even needed to lock the door in the first place.
I really like Celeste and Korekiyo, even after their breakdowns.
Korekiyo was kinda boring until that and Celeste was not crazy enough lol
@@wu5642 wym Kiyo was one of the most unique from v3. And Celeste went bat shit crazy when she broke down
I imagine Byakuya as a culprit for a 3rd trial and just saying: IDIOTS IDIOTS IDIOTS!
@@danganfujisaki5902 PLEASE I CAN HEAR HIM
@@chearii4863 I d i o t s !
I actually love the 3rd cases but one stands out as being poorly written. That one being V3-3. I personally would've made Tenko kill Angie, the Korekiyo kill Tenko. This is more interesting because now it's like, well the blackend is dead now so what do we do? This also could've been a growing point for Shuichi because while Monokuma and the Monokubs are freaking out, Shuichi can be like 'Well we still need to find out who killed Angie, even if they aren't the blackend so we can stay away from them. ' There also would be more emphasis on Angie's murder because her's happend first. Tenko's motive would've been the fact that Angie "brainwashed" Himiko. And since Tenko was in the student council, it would've been easy for her to get to Angie's research lab.
Idk that seems pretty out of character for Tenko and because since that would just be putting Himiko’s life on the line in the class trial if they guessed wrong. I also feel like that would rob Himiko’s character development because it was pretty reliant on Tenko than Angie.
@@blitzus5022 I agree
Didn't that already happen with Hifumi and Celeste
@@mistynights2834 Omg I about Hifumi- Im a full course idiot o my god i swear
Well in dr1 there was no rule to say which went first unlike in v3 where it specifically says who killed angie and not tenko so hifumis already dead but he was also murdered so that murder would count so Celeste died but if tenko killed then got killed it would be a question of if anyone would get executed or not. Do you get me?
In that graphic scene for Korekiyo, they deliberately stated that there was no physically connection, which in this case, can only mean that they weren't physically involved. I think what they were going for Korekiyo was-his sister was in the hospital and couldn't enjoy life, find love, or have friends. So Korekiyo tried to fill that void, he tried to be her lover. He even said that while he could be her lover, he couldn't be her friend, and so he sent her ghost friends. So I believe they were trying to make it less creepy than it came out to be. I still think it's weird, but I think it was supposed to be a little less weird.
@Peko With a bat Yeah that's most definitively their fault. The only guess I have is that they wanted to represent his relationship physically for us to grasp it. Idk
Something I never see anyone bring up is Korekiyo's plan. How was he supposed to get people to do the seance if Angie wasnt dead and used as an excuse to do the seance.
I feel like I'm the only person who actually likes DR2's 3rd trial. The despair disease is a moronic motive and Mikan's personal motive isn't any better, but I enjoyed the setup of the murder itself and the disturbing atmosphere of the hospital
god, I love the set up and environment of dr2 3. even though ibuki didn’t technically die by hanging, her being hung is honestly so unique compared to the bloody messes other cases have! hiyokos death was.. eh but I really enjoyed ibukis death by “hanging” and the environment of the music venue and hospital
@@gayrobloxgirlyass y'all get it
I love kiyo very much and he's my favourite character but in that case they "wrote" him very bad,it was just not neccesary to make him a serial killer and they also didn't make it very clear he was abused by his sister,and that makes everyone think that's incest and stuff like that. In the free time events he's very nice and a sweet person to shuichi,he also isn't creepy always,he has lot of interest in the things he likes that makes him avoid people and yeah,and with Mikan and him they wrote both of them dirty,they didn't deserved that but oh well. It also made the fandom to make se//xual and tr4auma jokes,that's really awful
I just wanted to say my opinion lol, *kork supremacy* 🙏🏻
Tbh DerpyHiro is underrated
* Shoots blue comment * I agree with that!
Very much fucking so
probably the only 3rd trial i can say for sure i liked was Celeste's, Mikan i hated and Korekiyo was ok.
Honestly case threes are some of my favourite cases, specifically Celestias case. The body discovery is amazing and her lines in the trial are the perfect mix of intriguing and surprising after she spent the beginning of the game to be very composed. I just wish that she kept a bit more of her composure, after all she is the ultimate gambler.
I honestly love Celeste’s character especially in chapter 3 because it shows that being the queen of liars isn’t just something slapped onto her character with no real purpose. It actually holds up.
If you put it like that they sound so entertaining to watch.
From 3rd cases I like the breakdowns, body discoveries and moments before the trials. But I hate that they make them obvious and also that they didn't explore it far away. Like V3 almost did with the new rule of only one execute the first murderer.
- Always a pointless double murder. Most times killing one who was going through an arc(Taka and Hyoko)
- Overaly complicated. And not in a smart way. In a "this makes no sense" or "just dumb" way
- Always an obvious killer
- Said killer previously shown throughout the game and trials being helpful and intelligent suddenly turn a 180, become out of character and constantly make themselves suspect. Celeste refused any argument or evidence to prove Hiro's innocence, Mikan kept questioning everything and spoken dialogue to make herself look innocent and Korekiyo just immediately accused Himiko and later just gave up on hiding himself
Pretty much turns a lot of people off the character (Though personally Mikan and Korekiyo are still some of my favourite characters)
- The motivation is always the worst. Money was lazy and the Despair disease was just forced to make a character do something they wouldn't had otherwise. But it can also be summed up as "they were horny". Celeste wanted her harem of vampire themed servants, Mikan was brainwashed and gay for Junko and Korekiyo wanted to f*ck his sister
- Each case could of had a small tweak to make it more interesting. Mainly V3. They introduced the idea of 2 killers and they don't do anything with it. Why this one is my most hated. 3rd main series game, could had done something new but instead just rinse and repeat the same bs
Side note I personally love the setting of DR2 because it's not like the 1st game. The whole peaceful and calm setting parallels well with the looming dread of Monokuma, the constant fear someone will die and just the overall weird and bizarreness that's Usami and the mystery of the world
It would’ve been nice too see hiyokos reaction to mikan being the killer because hiyoko was gonna give mikan another’s chance and then it would add to her character development that would mean that someone would’ve died instead (I think) in my opinion maybe soda
I was thinking Mikan tried to kill Hiyoko but missed and ended up killing Ibuki, then she tried to kill her again but Hiyoko juked her and Sonia died. This would work because of her clumsy self. Also remove those scenes of Mikan sleeping with Hajime and her trying to hard to make an alibi before the trial, that made it wayyy too obvious. The reason I think this should happen is because it wouldn’t make sense for her to not try to get revenge on Hiyoko when there’s 2 victims and getting bullied is kinda her motive, this would also make the murder scenario very unique and interesting.
Kill the bully.
@@wu5642 free time events
@@Ghostgemzies1467 Still a bully.
@@wu5642 ya I know
I think the Main problem of 3rd trials is that there is a doble murder and it isnt Well executed. It feels more like if the chapter is only Made to get rid of many characters as if they were nothing.
I think it would be cool a case with a crime scene where two people are lying on the floor but the twist is that only one of them is dead and the dead announcement sounds, making everyone arrive to the conclusion that both are dead.
It would be interesting if something happened that justified the dissaperance of a body and a really messy and distorted crime scene like a fire, then just before the trial, the other person reappears and makes everyone change what they where theorizing about the case having to to take in count the testimony of a witness that could perfectly be the culprit or the key of knowing what happened.
Am I only who likes game one case 3
i like it more in stage. there it makes more sence to me
I like it too, but I also like second game case 3 lol
Somewhat yes.
In my opinion:
SDR2-case 3 > THH-case 3 > V3-case 3
Even if Mikan's motive had a dumb name like "Despair Disease", I still liked it because it worked as good foreshadowing to the ending of the game. Aside from Nagito and Izuru, who appear in UDG, Mikan is the only character we got to see as Remnant of Despair, and I think that's pretty cool. Plus, she had a very interesting murder plot with the fake suicide video, even if the part about hiding and then revealing Hiyoko's body was practically impossible to pull off. The only things that I dislike about this trial is Hiyoko dying and Mikan's execution.
Am I the only one who went into Taka and Hifumi's trial 90% sure the culprit was Celeste? The biggest red flag for me was Robo Justice's design, which is something only Hifumi would have come up with. And if Hifumi was pretending to be attacked by Yasuhiro, then Celeste had to be pretending to. But overall, this trial wasn't so bad.
Due to Kiyo's design and personality, I was really hoping he would die as a victim and not as a blackened, because it's not interesting to have a murderer that looks like a murderer. Instead, he turns out to be the craziest and least likeable culprit in the game. I really like the seance scene and Tenko's body discovery, but that's the only redeemable aspect of the case. They spent so little time talking about Angie, it was like her death didn't matter at all.
Honestly I think Korekyo would’ve been a lot more sympathetic if it weren’t for the relationship to his lover, yknow...
Honestly it actually makes him more sympathetic. His older sister clearly manipulated and groomed him.
also is sympathy really the point here? can't you just love him for the insane, sister-loving serial killer psycho he is?
I love that the justification for why Kiyo murdered Tenko after he already killed Angie was “well I already put so much work into my original idea. idk just felt like it’d be a waste not to use it.” Like seriously dog? _that’s_ your reason?
Kiyo's Macbeth breakdown and the cameraman is having a seizure
Oh as for Hiyokos murder weapon it would make the most sense that it is a scalpel as Mikan would have
A) had it on her
B) it is sharp and could probably k*all hiyoko
C) if anybody found it on her she could just be like "oh well I had it when I arrived here" cause she is a nurse
3rd cases are honestly my favourites 1-3 is really great, 2-3 I think could be better but I don't hate it like most fans, and 3-3 is my favourite case in V3 with 3-5 coming close.
Dang it grandpa, stop killing my friends
Could kotoko be credited as a third chapter killer too?
-Long hair like mikan celes and kork
-has a repeated word with trauma/lore attached to it, “gentle”
-executed third
-tragic abuse backstory (kiyo getting manipulated by his sister, the fact the only person who she cared about, was a cat says enough, mikan getting sexually physically and verbally abused her entire life, and Kotoko being sold as a sex toy by her mother as a child)
-breaks down in their chapter
-is literally crazy, and has killed many people (celest would be in gambles where whoever loses dies, so I thought I’d explain that)
-obvious it was them (after Masaru and jataro died, it was obvious kotoko was next since Nagisa and Monaca were more important)
-unique design, (mikans choppy hair, celest drills and aesthetic, kiyo’s height aesthetic and mask, +kotoko’s Lolita fashion inspired clothes and impossibly long hair)
Personally I’d include her with them, even though she wasn’t in a killing game
The argument people make about the despair disease in dr2’s case 3 I really don’t mind
Like I see people having a misunderstanding over the despair disease where they think it just rewrites peoples personalities, and while it does change them for Mikan all it did was give her her memories back. And I take this as a lovely bit of foreshadowing, yes in the moment it may feel cheap, but looking back it’s so cleverly done and is an amazing piece of foreshadowing of was this classes fates were
Personally, 3-3 is one of my absolute favorite trials in the entire series, mostly because of the culprit aspect. Korekiyo is I think an insanely interesting and actually also well-fleshed out character, and the trial leaves us with so many clues that can hint towards why Korekiyo ended up as messed up as he is. I honestly had the most fun analyzing the dialogue, especially the scenes with his sister speaking through him, and the research I did afterwards about what could have caused this "split personality" once the trial was over.
This here is now just a theory of mine, so it can have flaws.
It very much seemed to me that his sister was terribly abusive towards Korekiyo due to the pushy tone he uses when he speaks as his sister. She uses quite some phrases that indicate gaslighting or simply her trying to control Korekiyo. Due to this mistreatment, Korekiyo started idealizing her like crazy every time she did something nice for him, like making him his uniform for instance (as he mentions in I think his first friendship event), which also lead to his incestuous love for her. It seemed like he actively refused to realize this abuse.
This is now taken out of thin air, but as far as I know, he never mentions any parents at all - so maybe his sister was also the one who raised him which gives him even more of a reason to idolize her.
But even in his execution, we see stuff that can hint towards abuse. I believe, starting with the whole ghost-stuff, this execution is more a visualization of what he sees in his near-death-experience rather than what is really happening. We can see that his sister seemed to not like him at all as she's banishing Korekiyo's ghost together with Monokuma. It could pretty much be his subconsciousness being well aware of his sister's abuse while he was actively neglecting it and telling himself she loved him just as much as he did. This realization in his final moments made his death even more tragic as he now sees all his murders were in vain, and he should have distanced himself from his sister as soon as he could.
So yes TL;DR: ..... Korekiyo is interesting for sure. He's possibly the result of his environment and the circumstances he grew up in which makes him really a tragic character in my eyes. It seems like the writers put lots of effort into his writing, and it saddens me that it's being overlooked a lot!
... Or I'm just interpreting too many things into him LOL
Thank you for raising the point about V3 Case 2, I've always found the rope business unnecessary and would've taken a shorter trial to avoid it
Me who has a case 3 where the protagonist literally see the murder: *screeches in AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*
Me realizing that the culprit is actually sympathetic: Oh righ-
Me realizing there are 2 timelines and the other universes isn't and just wants the protagonist to suffer: *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-*
I clicked on this as an Ace Attorney fan, intrigued by the similarities in "third case syndrome".
I absolutely wasn't expecting my exact thoughts to be splayed across the screen immediately.
Gotta love when videos with possible spoilers in the thumbnail pop up due to the fact that I’m watching a creator who is currently making a series on the game. No better feeling than an unavoidable spoiler.
No spoilers are on the thumbnail, there are characters on the thumbnail but it doesn't necessarily mean they are connected to the third case or doesn't necessarily show how much they are connected to the third case
I still love Celeste, Mikan and Korekiyo tbh hate me if you want I don’t give a shet lmao