Danganronpa V3's Ending: Final Thoughts and Analysis!
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Hope you guys enjoy the video! I feel a bit rusty at this, it’s been a while since I made an analysis video. Like I implied in the video a lot of things are just flat out stated by Kodaka in interviews and through tweets so there wasn’t as much for me to analyze on my own but regardless I hope it’s still interesting to watch. As for those of you interested in more LP videos I do plan on continuing that type of stuff on the channel as well! I just need some time to figure out my schedule and finish the V3 post content which shouldn’t take too much longer.
Weeby Newz I think Tsumugi was just given self-counscious about being in fiction and that's why she was fucking with everybody at the end and doing stuff as the mastermind.
About why doesn't she burst on cospox while cosplaying Kaede in chapter 1 altho Kaede being a fictional character, I think it has to do with the fact of *how* she cosplayed as her. She just put her clothes on and, as seen in Chapter 6, she cosplays characters *in 100% detail, mimicking their hairstiles, weight and height, voice and other facial features* That leads me to believe that *she considers cosplay to be absolutely perfect in execution, or either a complete failure*
I just think she just wanted to give the feeling of despair and fuck with their emotions and decisions by using her talent to lead them to believe a whole set of lies that she thoroughly instigated, both by impersonating them in her Ultimate Talent Lab and breaking them by making them self-conscious about their existence. I think that's a huge job to do well, so I kinda hold respect to Tsumugi for making Shuichi, Maki, Himiko (and Keebo?) all act as she planned and breaking them all down in the process. Too bad Shuichi broke of it huh?
Actually,it'snot 100% meta, like at all. It's self-concious and breaks the in-universe 4th wall. Being meta would mean the characters know they are part of the game we are playing.They don't. They learn they are part of a TV show where teenagers are forced to kill each other. The player is not the audience, and this is most obvious by the fact Keebo is the Audience's surrogate, while the Player's surrogate is Shuichi . And the Theme, to the very end, is "Truth and Lies", to the point the epilogue itself questions the validity of Tsumugi's claims, especifically her claim that they auditioned to be part of it.
Weeby Newz ooh wonder what LP's you'll do
Thanks for this vid! I would love sharing some of my theories as well.
I'm so glad you made this vid! It's great to have all the theories about the ending in one place, to clear up a lot of people's issues and frustrations with what I think is a great ending to a great game. Thank you!
It's kinda funny how many endings you can gain from V3, depending on what you consider a lie.
I do feel though that a lot of the lies can be determined to be indeed lies. There's a lot of stuff that simply can't make sense unless it's a lie. It's sort of like without Shuichi's guidance we have to do what he was doing the whole game for the last few mysteries, because we have some clues that he can't have due to being unable to see the prologue (and some he missed).
For example, It simply cannot make sense that Tsumugi can't dress as Kaede when she is a fictional character, unless Tsumugi is lying about the nature of her cospox.
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@@sploofmcsterra4786 Well even though their talents and personalities are fictional, the body/appearance of the characters in V3 are still based on real people. Danganronpa 1 and 2 were just video games even in the fictional Danganronpa world. This particular argument is one of the weakest regarding possible lies.
@Father Gasciogne So? All fiction is based on reality. And you can't tell me there were no look-alikes for characters of the previous games in the real world, at least for characters like Makoto. The outfit can't be the trigger either, considering the cast of V3 didn't wear their ultimate uniforms irl, those were parts of their fictional selves, meaning Tsumugi would have been able to cosplay as them without trouble. The cospox has to be a lie.
@@IchCharacter alternatively, danganronpa 1 and 2 are actually real , while the ones from v3 are fabricated, hence considered fictional, meaning she lied about how cospox works.
Oh my god, could you imagine if Tsumugi really wasn't the mastermind, but the memory was implanted into her mind? Think about the millions of more questions that would rise. Who really is the mastermind? And how did they come up with everything they did? Damn, I would REALLY like that to be canon
TheGoldenRaptor MAN I ALREADY QUESTION EVERYTHING AFTER THE ENDING AND YOU'RE MAKING ME QUESTION EVEN MORE!?
I KNOW RIGHT I WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH
Even now I don't know what to think of the ending, obviously there is more to it. There's just waaay too many things that don't add up. (like wtf is up with Tsumugi and kiibo in the prologue? I'm still really confused about that)
I'm still really confused about Kaede and Shuichi remembering the fact that they were kidnapped in the prologue, before the cubs even used the flashback light. Like okay, I'll believe that the killing game is a show that people watch (maybe for entertainment, or maybe not?) and that it's been going on for a while, but the idea that they volunteered for it? After seeing the prologue? No way.
WHAT IF SHE'S A REAL ULTIMATE?
One thing that really convinced me that Tsumugi lied about their personalities being fabricated was that at the beginning of the prologue, Miu and Tenko still talk in the same way as they would in the game, with Miu using vulgar language and Tenko overreacting to the Exisals. It at least means that a big part of their personalities remained in tact, so it's not like their "real selves" and "fictional selves" would have been completely different people.
ejenix Their memories and talents were based on their real personalities.
Yass what about Kaede? Correct me if i’m wrong, but isn’t there a scene in the last trial where kaede says she wants to be a part of the killing game because she has no faith in humanity? That is completely different from her character in game!
@@thespectator5259 Personaly, knowing about the flshback lights, I think they have enought technology to have manipulated the characters onto doing fake auditions after kidnapping them, this makes the most sense to me
Adding onto this, Rantaro is still acting as mysterious as ever, Shuichi keeps on his hat and Korekiyo is wearing his mask pre-Ultimate Clothes. Supplemental material strongly implies Gonta's "fabricated backstory" is his true backstory, as his "regular clothing" is noted to give off the impression of a respectable family in the visual dictionary much like how Gonta claims is his backstory in his FTE. *EDIT:* Even more, the Monokubs outright say in the Pre-Flashback Light part of the Prologue that the Flashback Lights are going to help them remember their true selves/hidden talents that they've forgotten (which doesn't make sense if those are fake personalities.)
Generic Tyrant i know it’s been 2 months but I forgot to respond so here it goes. I completely agree with you and I don’t believe that Tsumugi was being truthful. The comment I responded to was saying that tsumugi was telling the truth, and the author of that comment was saying that their fake personalities were based off of their real ones. This means that the author of that comment believes everything tsumugi said, including the audition tapes. I used the audition tapes not because I think they are reliable, but because if they were, as the comment I was responding to was implying, than the comment would be false, as the audition tapes disprove the very thing the commenter said. This response probably doesn’t make sense because I’m writing it at 5AM. Sorry about that.
I do love the idea that tsumugi was just given memories of being the mastermind
It's possible, but most would like to believe that she is in fact the mastermind, the main theme may be truth vs lies, but anything could be composed of truths and lies as long as their story is cryptic
Couldn't Cospox just be a lie that Tsumugi told? Considering how quickly she changes cosplays in the last chapter and the fact that the characters even address how quickly she changes them, I think it's safe to say that she can switch how she looks in a couple of seconds. In the Cospox scene with Kaede, Kaede gives Tsumugi her clothes and then turns around because Tsumugi asks her to. With Tsumugi being the Ultimate Cosplayer, it wouldn't be a surprise if she had some make-up on hand right? She could easily alter her appearance to make it look like she gets a fictional, made up disease whenever she cosplays. That also works nicely with the theory that those audition tapes are just Tsumugi cosplaying as them.
I hadn’t thought of that. I considered the possibility since everything was supposedly scripted, Tsumugi has an allergic reaction to the fabric of the other student’s uniforms which would cause someone to assume it was cospox rather than a rash from fabric allergies. I probably could word this better
And I ask myself, why did she was affected by the cospox if in the end she says all of the students are fictional? Kaede too, so she have to be able to cosplay as her
I was thinking of this too.
I think the makeup is too simple and not Danganronpa level
Alternatively, if Junko is real, how would Tsumugi be cosplaying her
The entire sixth class trial I was saying "I just wanted school mode, my dude" lol
Can we just talk about, after looking at Makoto and Hinata, then at Saihara and Akamatsu; team Daganrompa has perfected drawing ahoges.
Some ahoge are long. Some ahoge are short. Some are wide and some are thin. Some are perfectly straight, some stick out at an odd angle. Some are clean. Some are messy. Some are cut. Some are uncut. All ahoge are special and any can provide pleasure.
@@NXeta Hinatas first name is Hajime.
Junko Enoshima the 53 New Ultimate Despair Makoto’s first name is Makoto
yea makoto and hajimes ahoges are thicc
@@NXeta hinata's first name is hajime, and Makoto has a sister so calling him 'naegi' would be confusing
The ending could be fixed just by having the audiences being drawn instead of using photos of real people
I honestly said the same thing. I think that's what they were trying to do this in part with the Makoto scene. But I can see the designers saying 'Nope, that's too much damn work.' In any case I agree. They shouldn't have used real photos of people.
Well, they could have at least used the blue jelly people...
That and maybe have them talk about made up events in the other in-game seasons, instead of just some references to the first two that I think was in there, should probably check though.
They coulda used the blue and pink templates.
The audience scared the creep out of me the whole trial lmao. When the camera was zooming on them I always not looked at them. And I notice there's someone doing the middle finger in the audience 🤣
WHOA the chance that Tsumugi could've been cosplaying them and her memories being altered as well TOTALLY changed the ending for me omg Weeby you're incredible
If we’re going on the theory that Tsumugi was lying, then this ending is kind of brilliant. Because of this, if fans were upset, all the studio would have to do is make another game or anime series that supports the theory that she’s lying and that the killing games did happen. And if she wasn’t lying, then this conclusion could be taken at face value and this is the end of Danganronpa as a whole.
i really dont want monokuma to be broke...... I mean the guy has kids jeez.. So its ok for being fiction vr game like sao and everyone lives like the second game.... and make the Udg 2
So many people think that it’s a bad ending but they just haven’t analyzed it enough. I still think that this ending has some flaws but after looking at other peoples theory on the ending and analyzing it myself it feels like this ending was made so it can be interpreted in different ways to the viewers. This is just my opinion tho🤠 now that I think about I probably sound dumb
@@heathazedays193 nah I also agree with u. this ending can be interpreted in so many ways and after seeing some theories ig i will just stick to the theory of tsumugi was lying and everything wasn't fictional. I don't blame others for having different theories but this one just seems the most logical to me
Something else I don't understand is the way that NOBODY in the v3 cast recognized rantaro from the previous season... if they were so obessed with it why didn't they remember him like bro????
@@vee-yl3rc EDIT: I believe Danganronpa (the show) doesn’t exist and i do believe that the people we see in the prologue arent what Tsumugi said they were. Mainly Kaito, considering how bloodthirsty he was to win by killing... yet he acted confused and relatively peaceful towards the others.
Wouldn’t it be fucked up if Talentless Students were being kidnapped by a team of junko fans in order to replicate her killing games, then broadcast it to the world. It may have people on edge against Hopes Peak since they technically are involved with Killing Games in a loose way
What bugs me most is how so many of the fandom is eager to believe Tsumugi during the last trial. Like I mean I'd just like to see more people being skeptical of what they're being told.
Artemis Chisholm agreed. so many people trust junko and Tsumugi and I'm like
guys they're the villains. they have lied to us even when they say the don't lie. why do you trust them
I thought it was pretty obvious that some, if not all, of what Tsumugi said were lies. I don't get why people would believe it either. After all, in this game, you can't really trust everything that's thrown at you, you'd have to be sharp to detect which are the lies and which are not.
Thinking about it, I guess that's the reason for Kokichi as a character in V3, right? He had been lying throughout the entire game, which actually helped us learn to keep an eye out for lies. Also, I don't understand how some just write off Kokichi as an evil, cruel antagonist even after finishing the game. True, what he did to Gonta was really bad, but I understand why he needed to do that after finishing Chapter 5 and 6. Still I wish things could have gone better.
I've seen it plenty of times in the fandom and it makes me mad; a lot of people get mad that the anime 'retconned' Junko's lines about her making the remnants of despair join her side with her charisma; they TRULY believed that, knowing Junko lied through her teeth through the first and second games, all because Monokuma once said "that he never lies". Seriously? Just because the villains say the truth SOMETIMES, and even then only HALF of the truth, the truth that benefits their plans the most, it doesn't mean you should trust all they say.
Monodoof You're right about that. That's actually one example. There have been instances when the mastermind lied:
* In DR1 Chapter 5, Monokuma told everyone that Naegi was responsible for the murder of Mukuro Ikusaba, but we all know this is a lie.
* During the events of DR2 in Chapter 6, Alter Junko claimed that Izuru Kamukura was the killer of the whole student council in the past. But it was later confirmed that Izuru was merely a spectator and that the student council members killed each other.
*In DRV3 Chapter 1, we voted Kaede as the killer responsible for the murder of Rantaro, but later we learn that she was falsely executed, and that her shot put ball didn't actually hit anyone.
In DRV3, where the whole theme is centered around Lies, I find it impossible that Tsumugi never lied about anything during the last chapter.
Another one that a lot of people miss is the fact that Junko went against the rules of the killing game before chapter 5 in DR1: The whole chapter 4 case was a lie to begin with. The rules said that a class trial will be held whenever a student murders ANOTHER student, but as we find out later, the victim of that case didn't kill another student; Sakura offed herself. To add to that, Monokuma falsified evidence to complicate the case further. There was no need to hold a Class Trial for a suicide but Monokuma did so anyway just to further her agenda of spreading despair to the outside world and the students of Hope's Peak.
There's a bunch of times where he says half truths as well, like when in DR2 he promised to return their memories after the killing started, but then saying he didn't mention WHEN he was going to return them, or the one in Chapter 4 where he says there's ship parts in the Funhouse, but then we learn they're TOY ship parts.
And the mastermind in V3 and by extension Monokuma lied a bunch of times (hell, everybody in that game lied, fitting to the theme), so yeah, kids, dont trust villains. that's a valuable life lesson.
Wait wtf I never noticed that.
How the HELL did they NOT recognize Rantarou during the prologue??? Their memories weren't wiped yet! That's either an extremely huge plothole or an intentional discrepancy.
Or that was all fake too, as Kodaka said in a tweet: www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/danganronpa/comments/76cq4k/what_kodaka_has_to_say_about_v3s_ending/
moonlightstars430 or they did recognize him, but was kept from the player
moonlightstars430 Maybe it had been a long time since season 52 that he became old news
If they were REALLY big fans of Danganronpa, they must've remembered the survivors. Just like we remember them.
Maybe they played the killing game before the 52nd aired like survivor
The fact the creator told us to go back to the prologue for clues as to what’s really going on leads me to a couple of conclusions:
• The audition videos are almost certainly fake, just as Shuichi speculates.
The videos depict the characters as voluntary participants in the killing game but the prologue overtly shows them being kidnapped and unaware of what’s going on. The videos also show them as having originally had the personalities of deeply disturbed individuals (e.g. Kaede a misanthrope, Kaito a kill-crazy bully), but the prologue shows them as not being all that dissimilar to how they were after having their real memories overwritten. Plus, they refer to themselves by the same names before and after getting hit with the flashback light. And the biggest clue is the scene where they get their outfits and express pleasure at being part of the killing game flat-out didn’t happen.
• Tsumigi is just as much a victim as the others
In the prologue she’s shown as being just as confused as everyone else - BEFORE the first memory implants, when she’d have no reason to lie; at least not to the Monokubs upon realising they accidentally started the killing game without implanting the fake memories. She also talks as if she’s been part of the franchise for a long time, despite only being a teenager. This leads me to think her mastermind persona was itself implanted, rather than being the unmodified version of Tsumugi herself.
Though I have no idea regarding Shuichi’s speculation that Hope’s Peak Academy and the Remnants of Despair might not be fictional. There’s really no good evidence one way or the other. Though if someone has a good hypothesis, I’d like to hear it.
I wrote another comment (and a Reddit post with a link to the more indepth version I made a few months ago) that has a lot of the same ideas as what you're saying, but... I feel I can fill in the gaps about Hope's Peak Academy and the Remnants of Despair being real events that happened. Long read though.
When in the Prologue, the characters are asked if they have Ultimate Talents, they say, "No, I don't have one..." Weird how they say they don't have an Ultimate Talent. You'd expect them to say, "Those don't exist" or "Those are just fictional", but instead they word it in a way that makes it sound like Ultimate Talents exist, but they just so happen to not have any (to their knowledge anyway, the next part outright says their memories weren't quite correct yet).
The Monokubs outright say, "You HAD Ultimate Talents before now." It's a little odd, but Monosuke, Monophanie and Monotaro admit, "Yeah, you forgot your Ultimate Talents... We need the Flashback Lights to help you remember your true selves... You became generic high school students." The Monokubs had no reason to lie at this point in time. With this, I think the implication is strong the cast really were Ultimate Students, they just had their memories erased to try to protect them... It failed. I fail to see why the Monokubs would stress, "You forgot your amazing talents!" so much if they never had them to begin with...
The technology of V3 also heavily implies that Ultimate Talents (and Remnants of Despair by proxy) also exist in some form. Keebo is a (more advanced) AI than Alter Ego, Alter Ego Junko. It's heavily implied the Monokubs, Motherkuma and the Monokuma in V3 are sentient AI, much like Shirokuma and Kurokuma, as they appear to be able to operate without being controlled by an outside force (much like how Shirokuma and Kurokuma were created by Ultimate Despair). There's also how all three games have technology capable of altering memories (Flashback Lights and whatever was used in 1, along with the Neo World Program erasing memories in 2) and can grant people talents (Hajime into Izuru) or make someone forget their talents (Ryoko, Kyoko and Rantaro). With this in mind... I'd say it's pretty likely V3 is in the future of the other games in terms of how the technology works.
With all that in mind... Pretty sure Hope's Peak Academy/a school for Ultimates exist in V3. Along with the inclusion of malicious AI like the Monokubs and V3!Monokuma giving off the impression that it's based on the same technology as the mass produced Monokuma from Ultra Despair Girls. I'd say pretty easy to put them in the same continuity.
Another odd thing is how Tsumugi's last lines are:
"My plan was such a flawless copy, it even failed right at the end...So I should be able to hold my head up high as the cosplaycat criminal, right?"
If you're the producer of a show, why call it a copy and not a sequel?
There's no way all 53 DR games ended in the mastermind "failing".
It heavily implies that there weren't any to begin with, the first two most likely being the only ones that actually happened.
If anything, it really sounds more like someone being obsessed with the concept of the killing games and wanting to desperately replicate it.
Tsumugi also refers to herself as a criminal.
If Danganronpa is a popular and well known show, then why would she call herself that? It implies that killing games are actually illegal in this world.
This is just pure speculation but I do think that it is very likely that V3's killing game is being broadcasted on something similiar to the dark web. Like a site where people who are obsessed with killing games can go to watch more of them, even though it is highly illegal to do so.
That would actually explain the whole kidnapping part as well.
@@4en0 I have a question about this whole series, including the games, anime shows, and manga. (I’m very new to danganronpa so bear with me) so everything I watch in let’s plays (including all of the games), watch all of the tv shows, and reading the manga are all fake? If this is true, then what about the characters in the first game and second game. If Tsumugi said that they were interviewed to be apart of the show because they were diehard fans, was those killings in all the danganropa games, shows, and manga real? And were the characters from all games real as well and just students wanting to play a fake game? I hope this made sense. (Pls respond fast my single cell brain can’t handle this confusion anymore)
@@laurenzogabriel7330 It's fine don't worry! Quite honestly I'm also still confused about all this but I do have a pretty good idea of what was real and what wasn't
I personally think V3 and the first two games are real- but that there weren't any additional games other than those three, simply because Tsumugi's last words don't add up with what she claimed to be the truth so far as well as a bunch of inconsistencies that the other two have pointed out.
The prologue of V3 probably has the most evidence regarding that.
Rantaro is the one person where it is the most suspicious. His memories weren't erased at that point, he should be able to recognize immediately that this is a killing game but it's clear that he is only speculating (which also means the video Rantaro received of his past self was fake- there was no 52nd killing game)
A lot of the evidence we have has already been mentioned in this thread but in short, it all points towards the idea that what Tsumugi said is all a lie. All the games we know of are not fictional or staged and the same goes with V3.
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This one is just a pure assumption with no evidence backing it up but I do think it'd make sense that after the events of Danganronpa 3 Future Arc, there would still be people obsessed with despair. Hence why I said it might be broadcasted on somewhere illegal instead
@@4en0 oh okay thank so much this help me alot
Tsumugi does lie, simply because of something obvious, apart from everything said here. If there is no Hope's Peak Academy and no ultimates, then how is Tsumugi the Ultimate Cosplayer?
If you are not in a world where you can manufacture talents like Hinata's. How can Tsumugi exist?
Cuz it's a game ! Tsumugi is a fictional character just like the others
@@PWLfr see this is what this ending caused and why I despise it now all plot holes can be fixed by just saying its fiction and all the mysteries left ambiguous to us mean nothing because anyone can just say it fabricated by team Danganronpa , all these characters we've come know don't even exist in there own universe according to this, fans will happily let there favorite series die right in front of them because fiction bla bla bla we get it kodaka got metah now we ignore plot holes
I take that as one of many pieces of evidence that they are in VR, achieving Tsumugi's talent would be simple if they were in a virtual world, honestly even by the standards of DR1 and 2's ultimate talents Tsumugi's abilities as depicted in trial 6 would still be impossible to achieve outside of VR
Maverick darkrath The plot holes are a part of the mystery. Was Tsumugi lying or not?
isnt it explained in the prologue that the "ultimates" in this game are chosen by the government?
tsumugi was forced to be the bad guy that is a cool theory.
She literally says shes willing to DIE because she dont wanna live in a world without DR i really doubt she was forced to
Personally, I felt the disconnect between the in-universe audience and the real life audience during the final Argument Armament, because of this one brilliant little moment midway through the fight when Kiibo suddenly lurches forward at the camera and screams the line "This guy should have died instead of Kaede!" right in Shuichi's face, which, at least for me, made me realize something: That's a statement that cuts deep not only because that's a thought that not only the player has probably had throughout the majority of the game, *but Shuichi as well.* Can you possibly imagine saying something like that to these characters, knowing full well they would hear you? The fact that this audience is willing to say these things *directly to Shuichi's face* is what made me realize the in-universe audience was infinitely crueler than the real audience could ever be. And with that divide firmly in plece, the ending started to make a lot more sense. This is an audience that truly has lost any real empathy. They don't care about the destruction their games leave on people. They're bullies. They don't deserve Danganronpa anymore, because they, like Shuichi tells Tsumugi in the end, had stopped truly appreciating it.
I felt that disconnection too, altough not because there were some clues. I just figured that the "real world" in the game doesnt mean REAL WORLD. It just made more sense to me.
what's funny is that disconnect occurred to me too. but my reaction was "wow team Danganropa sure has a low opinion of their fans" and just took it as the people writing the game really really thought their player base were horrible people. :P I have since realised that wasn't what they were going for.
It makes sense tho, there's a lot of people who wish Kaede stayed alive a d someone else died instead of her
My only issue with the ending is that Keebo died. I just wish there was another way to get out while keeping Keebo alive.
Speaking of which... Keebo character analysis?
Washing machine IA.
Keebo’s a little too simplistic of a character to warrant an analysis in my opinion.
Squid Gelatinous Au contraire, my friend.
The existence of his inner voice brings almost all of his actions into question. And consider this: what if he’s been just been hiding his real feelings? Hope moves forward, after all, so he has no time to wallow in self pity.
I firmly believe Keebo would not have let himself be pushed around if he didn’t have his inner voice.
He’s only simplistic because of his inner voice. Without it, there’s a lot of potential.
Monobrobe He did show a lot of promise while blowing up 80% of the academy when he was in control
@Griff - Stop being such a robojustice warrior...
Two more possible loopholes with cospox: 1 all the characters Tsumugi cosplayed in trial six had "V" and "3" in their eyes, which may be enough to count as a fictional variation. 2 Same goes with the bleeped names in the video recordings. Basically she can essentially cosplay Shuichi's fictional twin brother. Remember in her cospox demo to Kaede she introduced herself *as* Kaede.
Also one other juicy point about Tsumugi being a copycat is lost in translation: in the prologue, Rantaro asks "What's with the ridiculous theatrics?" The Japanese word translated as "theatrics" in that line ("manegoto") alternatively means "mimicry" depending on context.
Yeah and maybe that's why she introduced hersel as Junko Enoshima 53rd maybe? To avoid being the actual Junko who was a real person?
The V3 eyes could've been intentional to throw the characters off though. There's nothing stopping her from putting on contact lenses that represent her show during her final performance. But I imagine if she truly wanted the remaining students to feel despair/hope that she'd make the videos look as real as possible.
I know I'm very late, but when she first showed Kaede her coxpox, she could have simply put the makeup on as Kaede was looking away, I doubt it would be hard seeing as she is the Ultimate Cosplayer
woah...... hold up, Tsumugi is the one who pointed out Kaede's twin sis possibility........... DAMn
@@thatguyorange902 Or she gave herself a allergic reaction
While I didn't dislike the ending, I can't say I liked it either. My main problem with it is that it seems more concerned with being meta than actually being coherent.
This. Chapter 6 had too much investigation and almost any of the truth bullets were used.
Just because HICKSHON.
The thing is that it was meta with the game's audience.
I totally agree with this. I think everything after the big reveal ended up being kind of schlocky. Like, the whole "it's a TV show!" bit had been thoroughly hinted at, and is an interesting enough twist, but then they started digging into DR1 and DR2, and it was just utterly...unnecessary.
I see it as amazing. To me it is coherent, and it was a great way to end a series.
@@sgtdrfunk It would have been fine if it was just a TV show, but I feel like they should've left the first games alone. Even though I think this is just a lie, it is just confusing and can make the first game's feel pointless.
I dunno why, but for me, V3's ending didn't feel as grandiose as the ending of 2. While I believe that V3 is a better game to its predecessors, but I feel that I like the ending of 2 more than V3.
This. I love how at the end after talking to chiaki, Hajime was not having _any_ of junko's shit
Agree ending of 2 is better from V3
In terms of satisfying endings.. DR2 definitely takes the top
But I personally LOVE theorizing and analyzing the shit outta games and characters so in that sense, v3 is my favorite game. I'll forever wonder what the true ending of the game was(it all depends on what you believe is a truth and what you believe was a lie)
@@enevy3165 I think it's cause I was kind of bored of watching bare longplays, but I could not get through V3
Exactly what i thought
I love Danganronpa, but I remember how crushed I felt when Tsumugi said it was all fiction, like seriously. That was way more crushing than Kaede's death was for me, and Kaede's death hit hard.
Same!
I relate just a little too much
Yeah, Kaede's death was sad, even sadder when it is revealed that she's innocent and Tsumugi was the killer.
I felt the same. It’s weird how it being fiction to our world is fine, but bring fiction WITHIN a fictional world makes it too far removed.
Though at the same time, this "it was all fiction" twist felt rushed and out of bounds. The build up of the twist wasn't done properly, felt like a cheap throwaway twist than SDR2.
One aspect that I REALLY didn't like about the finale was how easily the world gave up on Danganronpa. One minute they're begging it not to end, and then the next every single person wants the show to end since not a single person told Keebo to vote. It doesn't really instill a lot a confidence in me that they learned something. It seems more like they got bored of Hope and Despair like Monaca did in the anime. That was honestly how I felt too. When I saw the chapter 6 title, I was like "What?! No. I don't want to say goodbye to Danganronpa." Then when the game forced you to say "We will end Danganronpa with our own hands" to progress, I thought "Fine... if this is how the series is going to be, might as well say goodbye." Like you said in the video, Weeby, I felt a huge connection to the audience. (It's honestly scary how similar we were.) If my favorite TV show suddenly yelled at me, scolded me for liking it by calling me "sick and twisted", and told me it was ending, I'd feel a heavy bitterness towards it.
I agree that the ending wasn't executed (heh, 'executed') very well, but I do kinda see why the audience sided with Shuichi. The audience, in my opinion, didn't want to see murder necessarily; they wanted to see human beings overcome a despairing situation. Shuichi made the case that being in a killing game was for them, the contestants, a despairing situation and elicited the audience's help to overcome it by not watching it.
Thank God this is a alternative universe
Maybe it was supposed to represent how the fans may have really wanted for Danganronpa to end? I mean if something lasts 53 seasons you'd kinda want it to end especially when they keep using hope and despair as a main theme. The audience could have only wanted Danganronpa to continue out of sheer habit and kinda became ingrained after having this franchise last for so long, so them to stop liking Danganronpa because the "characters" refusing to continue this tradition was enough for them to just give up on the whole thing. I'm just giving my two cents on this.
I always thought that who Kiibo voted for would be based on a majority vote from the viewers. So that means that there would be plenty of people who still wanted Danganronpa to continue, it’s just that they were not part of the majority who sided with the characters
Personally i think that Tsumugi exagerated the Danganronpa popularity, and that in reality it was a kinda normall show. I also think that the audience thought that everything was prepared and fake, but after seeing Shuichi like that they thought "Oh shit, that might be real" and, as normal human beings, they putted and end to it. Honestly i have a really solid headcannon for V3 Universe, and it fits really well
Perhaps the cast of V3 weren't fans of Danganronpa? Maybe they knew a few things about it, but weren't crazy about it. Perhaps in the real world, those who go against mob mentality (in this case, being obsessed with Danganronpa) are selected for the real fiction killing games. That may explain why Kaede didn't know who Rantaro was, but seemingly recognized the Monokubs; and perhaps this is why Rantaro told everyone his name to see if they knew him from season 52.
I don't have the Japanese script on hand so I can't really cross reference the JP prologue from the English one, so maybe all of this has no supporting evidence in the JP script; but it's still something to consider.
LionsAbyss Except that's not true because in Suichi's video the guy wanted to be an Ultimate Detective because so far one hadn't been a blackened yet and was not only planning out what his execution would've been but planning out how he was gonna commit a murder for everyone. Same for Kaito who wanted to kill everyone and get rich and famous.
But how do we even know that was real?
LionsAbyss found your other comment on the when did pokemon stop being good video,didnt expect you to be a danganronpa fan, good to know.
The videos are theorized to be fake by many people. For one, the prologue and the videos don't match up- in the prologue, Kaede and Shuichi give comments about being kidnapped. This doesn't line up with the whole concept of auditioning for the 53rd season. Secondly, the floor in the videos matches up with a set in Tsumugi's talent research lab. People theorize that Tsumugi may have cosplayed the characters and faked the cospox. As Kaede was told to look away when Tsumugi was getting in Kaede's clothes, she could have put on some form of make-up (unlikely because her skin is described as getting a different texture) or triggered an allergic reaction.
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Evidence points towards those videos being fake.
I might be wrong on this, but I had a different idea of the whole 'everything is fiction' thing. I thought V3 took place in the real world, where Danganronpa 1, 2, UDG and 3 ARE fiction. They're videogames and anime. I thought that in V3's world, the games got so popular that they ended up becoming a TV show following the same lore of the games. I think that's what Tsumugi means when she says the whole Danganronpa world is fiction, because it genuinely is. I also think that's why she broke out into cospox when dressing as Kaede, because she's still technically a real person, whereas the characters she cosplays as in the final trial were all from videogames. I might be wrong, but I think this makes more sense than just saying the whole series is fake, since it clears up a few of Tsumugi's contradictions. It also feels way more satisfying too :p
Oh oh oh, and I'm really glad we're getting analysis videos again. Ouma will be a lot of fun, but I really can't wait for Rantaro's analysis. I think he might actually be my favorite character in V3. Thanks for all the awesome content c:
Some Nerd I think what you said was right, that's how I interpreted that line too
Well.. that was exactly what happened :)
I thought about that too, but then again there was another contradiction. Tsumugi claimed that she can only cosplay fictional characters which was why she broke into cospox when she tried to imitate Kaede. But later on, at the final chapter, she kept pushing on the idea that all of them are fictional, all participants of Danganronpa are only fiction. So that means, if all 16 of them are considered fiction...doesn't that mean she was supposed to be able to cosplay as the characters of the 53rd season too? Ugh so many lies, I can't wait for another sequel that at least clarifies the ending, all the mysteries behind it, the participants' true selves or their lives before being placed in the killing game...SDR2 got that treatment right? Please let it be the same in V3.
Chiakz
She treated them like fiction but they were actually real people and the killing game is actually happening in the V3 world. Thats how I interpret it.
Remember what we saw in Shuichis lab. 50 crime files, the begining ones are "illistrastions and fiction" while the recent ones have actual pictures.
i got the same theory too........ But i have new evidence to say otherwise.. BUT KYOKO KIRIGIRI and CHIAKI NANAMI are REAL Goddammit
I admittedly hated the ending at first because of what you were talking about, that disconnect. It was a mix between that and anger over the fact that they pulled the whole "the previous games never actually happened". Also, the inconsistencies, such as some of the stuff you pointed out about the cospox or Rantaro not being recognized in the prologue, it left me feeling super frustrated. The whole ending left this bitter taste in my mouth. But now that I look at it I'm a bit more lenient towards the ending. The inconsistencies kind of tie into the theme of what they were going for- "truth and lies" "fiction vs. reality". In other words, it doesn't matter what the answer is, because its what you decide to make of it. While I don't love the ending, I'm not as harsh as I was before. Plus, it's given me some ideas for different theories. I think these theories are a little more thought out than mine lol, but still its been fun.
When playing the game, I also felt like I was the audience that was being shown. However, i didn't feel upset attacked by it. I think I related with the audience more since the audience was supposed to be this big group of Danganronpa fans who enjoyed the killing games that the students were put through. That hit home because I am a huge fan of Danganronpa and was super excited at the release of V3 that there was a point where i wanted more of Danganronpa (like another game) but that would mean i would have to watch character that i claimed to love so much kill each other. But i didnt feel victimized or anything because of thr end where they had to convince the audience to stop watching the killing games it felt like they were convincing me too. It was if the characters were saying that it's time to let Danganronpa go and take what we learned out of fiction into reality. However, I do understand why some people would feel as though being connected to the audience in the game was an insult since unlike the audience who only cared about the killing aspect, we cared about them as actual people in a sense because we were able to hear their thoughts and and grow relationships with them. Like, we were able to see Kirumi's face as she lost all hope when she fell, we saw felt Gonta' s pain when he heard he was going to be punished for a crime he didnt remember dping, we saw Kokichi who was a little shit throughout the game sacrifice himself to save everyone. We literally saw Maki and Himiko shatter over someone they didn't realize that cared about until it was too late.
We were able and those are things that an audience watching this all through a tv couldn't see or feel the way we did.
Yeah, I really agree with you. I think in my case, the ending left me feeling a bit uneasy about this. I started to question whether it's actually "correct", liking games about teenagers killing each other, but as you're saying - it's not the killing we enjoy, it's the characters and the intense emotion. It still threw me into a turmoil, but...that's kind of what this game was all about tbh. I was in a complete emotional conflict all the time and this was probably the DR title with the most despair-inducing moments for me, especially in the sixth trial and in the first one too.
I think a lot of people were thrown off since this game does take a different approach to than the others. Like how in the first one you have Naegi and you're rooting for his hope to win the whole time even when the others almost fall into despair. Then you have Hajime in the second game and you're rooting for him but he almost falls into despair. Then you have this game where you're rooting for Kaede and then you're rooting for Saihara and then you're rooting for K1B0 so you don't know who exactly to root for. Everything about the first 2 games is straightforward since it's all about fighting despair and wanting hope to win and the protagonists do that by using facts and trust.
I just really like the whole idea of how some lies can lead to hope and some truths can lead to despair because they honestly would have all been dead if Saihara hadn't lied. Like, I really felt upset when characters died. During the game I only was able to do the free time events for Kirumi and Iruma because #BestGirls but I feel like we were able to understand and spend more time with the characters even if they were killed in the first chapter (except Rantaro but we got backstory eventually). That's something I didn't really see in 1 and 2. Like I didn't really care about characters like Leon or Teruteru and "Byakuya" or even Mahiru since we didn't really get to know about them besides their free time events and whatever backstory they let slip. They overall weren't memorable characters in my opinion.
lmao that was a long rant XD
I'm glad that you posted this though! I know what you mean - I tend to actually dislike both Leon and Teruteru. I think the plot gradually thickens - the very first game was quite simple in its concept and the way it ended was also quite straightforward. The second game was a bit more mindblowing, in the sense that our main characters turned out to be both virtual AND remnants of despair. And now we're here (just talking about the main three games btw).
I think this is very much connected with what the games have been trying to achieve so far, and that is to stun its audience, to horrify it and make it "feel stuff". The first game had it simple, since the idea of teenagers killing each other in itself is freaking terrifying. To me personally, the whole "the world has plunged into despair" was more or less the cherry on the cake, but the main event were the killings themselves. I couldn't believe it.
Obviously, we already expected this with the second game. So for this one, the DR team decided to clash the concepts of hope, despair and reality. They made us doubt and until the very end, nothing was really clear. The whole last chapter was just shocking.
The third installment then...I guess the first trial was a great indication of what's to come. They took our expectation from the first two games, threw them out of window and started messing with us. From the very beginning. Everything about this game was a despair-inducing mess, in a good sense. It felt much more feelings-oriented and indeed, one had to question whether the truth is the right way sometimes, as contrary to the first two games, where it was all about being "right" and rational (for the most part). All the other trials too, they were just handled so differently. The Tenko (my best girl T_T) and Angie trial, the Kirumi trial, the Gonta trial (that one was just..pure despair for such a different reason...showing us that not always the good guy will win, even if he does his best), then that Oma and Kaito mess and Shirogane (best girl no.2 T_T) being the mastermind, with the first trial actually being completely unjustified in the end...it all just went to show so many things. I think this was a great aspect though, because as much as the first two games established two very important concepts (there's hope and you can change the future), this one kind of showed us the mess that is "reality" (as real as the DR world can get really, but I think it applies quite well).
Okay okay, this rant is even longer. XD
Exactly! And it even makes it weirder that all three games kind of correlated with each other in a sense. Like with the different murders and who the "killer" was such as the 1st trial being a failed killing attempt that ended with the innocent person being killed (Sayaka failed to kill Leon, Teruteru failed to kill Nagito, Kaede failed to kill Rantaro) the second trial being that they died by being hit in the head, the third trial being a double murder, and the fourth trial being suicide (Sakura, Nagito, and Gonta since he wanted everyone to die instead of face the outside world, still a good boy though), and the 5th trial being a person you thought was dead is actually alive. So of course I'm expecting Junko to pop out and Tsumugi, K1B0, Himiko, Sihara, and Maki to be the final five because that's how it ALWAYS ENDS! But then Tsumugi is the mastermind and K1B0 sacrifices himself and saves everyone. But even though the murders correlate to an extent, the way V3 went about it was genius. The murders involve suffering (Iruma being choked to death) and even the executions seem more realistic/gruesome in a sense (Kirumi literally fell to her death).
I also noticed that when looking at the amount of time it took to play each game, V3 was definitely the longest. Just the game alone took me 41 hours to complete but I'm doing School Mode of the THH and I only have 37 hours in that game. It was totally worth it though.
I think that V3 also had more memorable chapters. Maybe because we were spending more time in them and that there was always something new to do. The virtual world was a pretty cool addition. But in THH if felt like the school never really changed and that we just unlocked more floors and then there was GD where there was more to explore but we never went back to an island except for plot purposes.
Yup! The trials in the last game were some depressing stuff. Kaede's was probably the most painful to watch for me and it ended up being the second hardest-hitting execution imo, right after Chiaki's death in the Zetsubou-hen. Kirumi's death was a very close second though. Ouchies.
Also yeah, the last one was def the longest (I spent 52 hours with it! How I did that, no idea :D) and I liked the environments the best. The individual talent rooms were great and made the mysteries that much more appealing. Also there were some legendary references! (The first two games had them too, but this one was pretty damn great for me.)
I just hope this isn’t the last mainline game in the series.
Dangan ronpa 53, here we come!
HentaiZero ???
If they do, I hope they just create a completely different universe. I don't want it to be connected or attached to V3 in any way. A whole new fresh start.
GBlazing same. I adore the Hopes Peak and V3 and whatever the hell the actual truth is, but I want a whole new fresh start if they create a mainline game
So DR LIV
Well in the Last trial have some "clues" to give you the idea that you aren't the "audience" for example:
-When the player (controlling keebo) shoot Dispair against naegi tsumugi said: is that what audience said?. But keebo answers that is his decision and he is gonna ignore the audience.
-When tsumugi said that the audience is watching danganronpa though keebo eyes, but the player is watching though saihara eyes (exept in class trials)
-And tsumugi ask for who created dangaronpa the answer is "team dangaronpa" and not spike chunsoft(the real one in our world) .
But still thinking there are few clues in a trial that took 3-4 hours
Team danganronpa is a team within spike chunsoft afaik
Cameron Dickenson team danganronpa doesn't exist. if you Google it all that comes up is the organization in-game. It was made up for this game.
Cameron Dickenson Nope, Danganronpa has never been organized under a single team, unlike, say, Sonic Team (much to Monokuma's chagrin, I'd imagine)
Ok, sorry lol that was just an assumption on my part, td doesnt exist
also, in the last trial, tsumugi says stuff like the world is soo peaceful and stuff, but on the epilogue when kaede talk about the kiddnap, she also says that no one helping her made her think about how rotten the world is, and i guess if it is soo rotten, cant be that peaceful, right?
It could be an AU where a certain kind of Despair or Dystopia has won, like Battle Royale or Hunger Games.
Plus, the world they originally thought they existed in had a "Virus", and an eerie space-like atmosphere, however the world's shown to be peaceful after Keebo self destructs and destroys the cage. So it's possible that they were using some sort of filter to make the air feel like it was polluted (And I guess this was hinted at from the fact that the main song for V3 was "Living in a Lazy Parallel World"
I loved the ending. My interpretation is that Tsumugi became the mastermind after the first flashblack light and that team danganronpa made her think that she was. I think its all just one complex lie.
This analysis was really helpful. The ending of v3 left my mind totally broken and at first I didn't like the ending at all I thought it was total ass. But then I realized that's the point and the whole plot to have the player determine their conclusion of the ending was honestly a nice touch that I came to love alot. I think V3 is the best DR game imo I just felt so much more connected wirh everyone in this cast, especially Kokichi (lbr he was the main event) I loved him dearly his whole character added so much to the game for me and honestly the ending was worth it! Thanks for the analysis weeby!! Can't wait for more vids!!
I agree ^^
This is also my opinion .
I found a theory about tsumugi's cospox that she can't cosplay people on the series she's on.
Yeee
Well, sadly, because of what Kaede said right before the "real" beginning of the story, we can be sure that the part about their talent being fake is true. She did say she had something she was good at but still she was not an ultimate at it, right?
Yeah, I think so too. Nothing about their pasts that we learn from free-time events make them "ultimates", just invested in their respective talents/hobbies/professions. Because of that, I do think their memories are mostly real, such as Shuichi being an assistant to his uncle, Himiko being a stage-magician, and Maki being an assassin.
Well, they likely did develop the talents... but in the killing game, because Shuichi became more confident over time (And Maki's murderous tendencies were showing more, even to the point of using them to try and defend Kaito from Monokuma)
In my opinion, I think that a big enough gap was made between us as fans and the fans in the actual game. I say this because most people don't say that the characters should 'just kill each other already' when playing a DR game. (Or something similar) I would say that the game represented *SUPER* diehard fans and not the vast majority of fans and due to this, people shouldn't be angry at it.
Yeah, I think if the game was bashing any fans, it was the hardcore otaku who obsess over fiction and let it take over their lives and become NEETS. As in, the type of anime fan that is much maligned in Japan.
HKxant
Technically the guys who complain about a "slow chapter" or that it took too long to get to the killing are the guys who are saying "just kill each other already". To be honest me personally ever since DR2 I felt that monokuma connected to the audiance.
He was always talking about "Usamis hope crap is boring, killing game is fun" and he always tries to find ways to make the game more interesting. Monokuma is loved by us cause he's funny but he also *gives us what we want* and says what we really feel deep inside sometimes.
We brought the game for a killing game and monokuma wants a fun killing game and is doing everything to appease us.
HKxant If they were trying to portray an extreme side of the fandom, they shouldn't have represented said group as the entire fanbase in V3's universe. It makes it seem as if they're generalizing the whole Danganrompa community as those extremists, which is a pretty demeaning thing to do towards your own fans. It was just poorly executed, imo.
More like the creators shallow opinion on what we are like
Tbh I thought that the audience was it's own character. To me it was pretty clear they were all ruthless and just wanted killings so it was easy to say "ah yes, this is that whole 'protagonist vs the world' thing." I don't think it had anything to do with diehard fans or NEETS since it kept emphasizing how fiction could have a POSITIVE effect on reality.
17:29 "Back into the *swing* of things"
*Seesaw
Chapter 6 greatly influenced me to not like the game. Halfway through the trial, I found no motivation to continue to play and found it boring to continue to the end. I didn't like it! After some time, reflecting on everything that happened throughout the game, I actually grew to like it. The unanswered mysteries that will make you think of many possible truths, and to detect which are the truths and lies, was actually fun. I find Ouma a very important character in this game, not just because of the whole truth and lies theme, but Ouma actually gave a lot of clues on how everything is going to play out. Like how when you interact with him on his final FTE, he claimed that games can be beaten even when you're not participating, just like how everyone at the end, decided to do. I love the ending now, I agree that it has its own flaws here and there, but surprisingly it fits well for the game's main theme being about truth and lies.
But is that really all there is to it though? That may have been Kodaka's lie. >_
Oma was build like that cause of plot armor
That's kinda what kadaka wanted, for you to take everything at the end with a grain of salt, believe what you want and call what you dont like a fat lie
With Tsumugi being dead and Shuichi, Maki and Himiko being the survivors a lot of questions have been rised if the next DR game is an UDG type game with Maki and Himiko as the leads and Shuichi as a supporting character. However, their arc is already over and I can't see any reason to put them up in danger against a new threat after surviving the killing game. If Chunsoft is going the UDG route, they should make a prequel with Tsumugi and a new character as the main leads. We know almost nothing about Tsumugi and how much of she said is true. Her story it could be as simple as her being one of the kidnapped students or as complex as her being the only person in the world with real ultimate level talent. If we get more Tsumugi, we get more the rest of V3's cast and answer to it's ending guaranteed. They could also make Rantaro's killing game, but does it matter that much? We already know that Rantaro is the only survivor in that game, which would imply that he either killed everyone or got everyone killed by murdering someone and getting away with it. They could make it interesting if they had another character other than Rantaro being that game's protagonist or having Tsumugi as one of the participants/the main character. Tsumugi surviving Rantaro's killing game would mean that the killing game ending with two players left standing would make sense, if the other (in this case, Tsumugi) would be punished not only by participating in the next killing game, but making her the next game's mastermind. Either way, I hope we get more info about Tsumugi and the other characters pre-v3.
I agree with this who's with me
PlatinumPongee hey maybe it's that fighting game.... ya never know
Yeah would love to see a Danganronpa spin off like that :3
Or... The killing game Rantaro was in
I don't care how they do it...
I just need more Tsumugi in my life 😭
man I really didn't understand the ending until this video. Holy cow this was such a nice analysis
Lowkey still need another game but like I dont want a prequel with Rantaro bc like two ppl would be left and I cant handle that 😭
no sir, i dont want the prequel either..........
And we never found out what happened to the other person.
@@nintendosega100 I saw someone theorizing that Tsumugi might be the other survivor, but was given the role as the ultimate mastermind instead. This actually makes sense if you believe the theory that Tsumugi is innocent and was just given the fake memory to believe she’s the mastermind all along. I also wanna add that at the reveal she introduced herself as Junko Enoshima the 53rd, meaning that each game might had different masterminds..
I never thought that Tsumugi was exposed to the Flashback Light in the Prologue, and in pretty much every instance that the Flashback was used thereafter. I wonder if it really did give Tsumugi the memories of the mastermind (I like this idea because there could be some other person behind V3). On the other hand, I wonder if simply closing or covering your eyes is enough not to be affected by the Flashback Light.
When Shuichi examined the Flashback Light, there were no commands to have the light affect only certain people. Unless Tsumugi had some kind of immunity to the Flashback Light, she would have been affected by it as well.
10:32 It's very weird how Saihara is censored but if you check the rest of the audition tapes it says their full name... why is that?
Could be a twist that Saihara is the true mastermind.
Tsumugi reaaally wanted to convince them that Kaito and Kaede were awful in order to bring them more despair/hope? And because of that she made a mistake?
@@Kylesico912x that's a very interesting theory, actually.
It could just be a way of paralleling real tv censors. Akin to how face and name censors are made. Although at the same time that raises even more questions...
@@Kylesico912x Kinda like the "You're Izuru Kamakura" thing with Hajime
I absolutely love this ending, yet it's a bit hard to put into words why. I only first played danganronpa in 2016 but the games made me more invested in them than another other piece of media I've played/watched. When playing I felt like I was Makoto and Hajime I was always frightful of who would die next, what the big mystery is, and so on. V3 comes off amazingly meta to me because it's whole plot is basically built on the concept of how engaging and captivating the DR series is to some people. It makes the game an actual game that people consume and enjoy, it's not an in-universe rehabilitation type thing like DR2. I never felt in anyway offended or disappointed by this ending because it just does so much that I've never seen any other piece of media do. It calls itself out and really makes the player think about the concept and importance of fictional storytelling, which was something the previous games already made me do indirectly but this game is literally about that. I can understand the disconnect between the "fans" and the real world community but idk, maybe because I've been a fan for a rather short while I sorta felt the in-universe fans were enjoyably comical representations of how me and other fans sort of feel while playing these games. Also I never felt at all disappointed by the "other games being fake" because...well...to use already they are fake. Making them fake within the game's universe just sorta shows that we as players where put into the position of the "fans" in the game's universe, it just adds an extra layer, no matter how you look at it, they are just stories. I think that really benefits the overall theme and in no way subtracted from the meaning/story/characters/content of the previous games. If anything it actually adds to previous games cuse now we can theorize about "if Junko is real" or "What was Makoto like before he was put in the game", or we can just disregard this twist and continue to enjoy the stories as stories.
...but that's just my opinion. I get very overly invested in fictional media and it's amazing to me that my favorite fictional series is the first one to, out of the blue, have an amazing message like this. I love Danganronpa.
God I love you! I adore DanganRonpa with all my soul. You really do the series justice, revealing how everything is truly meant to be. In my opinion, I think you should do your character analysis on the characters they were in the game, and then give a few guesses on who they might have been if the game really was all fiction. I've seen some people guess about what each character did before, the most prominent guess I've seen is that some people head canon that Ouma was the president of a comedy club and joined the show to make more people smile.
I'll just be here, rocking in a chair till the Ouma analysis comes. Though Koreki's my second favorite character in v3 so l'm completely fine with that coming before
I think the ending was done really well. The fact that a lot of people felt like they're responsible for the situation gave them despair. It was the same for me but as I got closer and closer to the ending, I felt like the characters did. If there was a disconnect between the audience in the game and us, I think it wouldn't work that well. It would be like looking from a third perspective, meaning the story wouldn't have anything to do with us, so there wouldn't be any impact. I hated it when they first established the audience but then it got me thinking and got me involved.
I loved it because some of the commentaries were realistic and we (might have) thought them during the trial "this guy should have died instead of Kaede" "So we are the bad guys ? Worst end ever !"...
It's probably on of the best endings I've seen in media in a long time
Shawn Shock Eh, Deadpool did it first
I liked the ending. Makes me wonder about what happened in Rantaro's previous game. The people he met, the things that went down...
Would that game have used a similar plot to V3, or perhaps every new season has a new plot?
the plot ? you mean the spaceship stuff ? I believe each one is different
We all can create our own version of 52th killing game
Maybe that danganronpa 4 to 51 was actually a lie
They should have continued the Gofer Project story smh
I agree
but that mean everyone including makoto and kirigiri dies....... noooooo.. well, they could just say THAT was fiction, by making shuichi find that gofer is fiction
Sasuke Uchiha well makoto and kirigiri die anyway, as them not even being real in the first place
Tecnically they cant die if they dont exist xd
I like the idea of Tsumugi's memories of being the mastermind being implanted into her by the actual mastermind. It would make sense for a game about truth and lies for the 'main' villain themselves to be created by truths and lies themselves.
Id like to think that is so as well . I keep thinking of tsumugi and rantaros reaction in both prologues at the start at the game. Which makes me really consider this theory .
"Goodbye Danganronpa"
I'm glad that you think the rest of the series is real too. In the past when I tried saying how I felt, I had a few people call me desperate for it to be canon. I think the fact that Shuichi says that his theory is probably wrong ironically indicates this as well, because in Danganronpa 2, Byakuya says that it's unlikely that the dead remnants will wake up. But we know what happened.
Hey Weeby Newz, what do you think about the audience line "I've waited three years for this"?
That implies that it's been three years since the last killing game, right?
But there are all sorts of things about that that don't make any sense. Like, "why wait three years if this game is so popular", "how has Tsumugi been able to be in charge of more than just one or two killing games if they literally take three years", and "why isn't Rantaro noticeably older than everyone else".
Also, the audience is a studio audience, right? If you look at all the comments (there are videos on youtube listing every comment) you'll notice that there are about 20 comments per camera zoom, and lots of those comments are obviously the same person multiple times. Which would imply a small audience chatroom. Plus there's the shot of the studio audience at the end credits. Plus there's no way to have people vote on Keebo's decisions unless there was an audience watching the show 24/7, but danganronpa (the TV show) couldn't possible be structured that way. PLUS, only a studio audience could possibly have all agreed not to vote for Tsumugi, since if you had the entire world voting anonymously, there's no way not a single person voted, but if everyone in a studio audience decided together not to vote, that makes more sense.
In the end, I think Danganronpa V3 is a TV show, taking place in a post-Despair world. This isn't the 53rd season, it's the third season (after V and V2) and each season takes three years to create, for a total of nine years. The show is watched for its entire duration by a live studio audience before being edited down and distributed to the rest of the world.
As for the audition videos, Tsumugi can't cosplay as real people, and in fact doesn't ever cosplay as a real person. Shuichi and the others are "flesh and blood fictional characters" meaning she can't cosplay as them. We *never once* see Tsumugi cosplay a "flesh and blood fictional character" so that stands to reason that she can't.
However, using the flashback Lights, it would be easy to program a memory like "You're about to audition for Danganronpa" and then record their "auditions" using the equipment. Then she could use a blackout light and another flashback light for "your name is Kaede Akamatsu and you were just kidnapped" and then use a blackout light and a flashback light for "You're Kaede Akamatsu the Ultimate Pianist". Cosplaying them would be unnecessary. And whether or not they volunteered or were kidnapped would be forever unknown, as even the prologue would be a lie.
I think the line "I've waited three years for this" is actually just supposed to reference the fact that DR2 came out in 2014 in NA.
Actually, now that I think about it...why _did_ they call it "V3"?
I understand why Kodaka did it, but why did Team Danganronpa/Tsumugi call it that?
I mean, DR1 trough DR52 had natural numbers.
Why did they suddenly decide to use a Roman "5"?
Any comment towards Tsumugi is also kinda false given the fact that Tsumugi is practically unreal, because she’s a dev for the game.
Of all the theories out there, yours has to be the least thought out. Not trolling, I just don't think anything you just said makes any sense. It's literally the epitome of conjecture. This all stemmed from the 3 years thing. But a viewer said plainly that "Season 25 was the best". You can't just pick one comment and make a theory from that when a comment 2 seconds later disproves that whole thing. The end game of your theory is fine though, you're just making weird steps to proving it.
Persian Slashuur we all thought the V3 was because there was already a danganronpa 3 Kodaka was just screwing with us
Until I watched this video I was mad at V3 ending. Now I understand the message and I feel less angry about it.
i loved the ending!! i've seen a lot of people say it didn't fit dangan ronpa, but honestly? when i was given the 'it's all a show' exposition, all i could think was 'this is the most dangan ronpa twist so far' lol. kodaka really delivered on making the player feel the despair of the characters - going through the investigation feeling like justice was going to be delivered and i was going to save these five kids, only to find out that all my searching and piecing together didn't really mean anything at all? that i knew nothing and had gotten into something far bigger than i could've imagined? i can see why it doesn't fit everyone but i personally thought it was brilliant, and though sdr2 had a better-put-together ending, it was a great step up from the 'it was all a game' twist of sdr2 with a thrilling kick to it. i also was one who felt like i was being lumped in with the audience but i liked that. i didn't feel like i was being insulted or jabbed at ( i personally don't understand how people could take offense at it anyway, but each to their own i suppose!! ), but instead i felt a 'despair' ( might be a bit of a strong word ) of sorts at the realisation of what my interest was putting these characters i love so much through, these executions and murders that even upset me, and for that reason, i wound up agreeing wholeheartedly with saihara's choice to not vote and put his own life on the line. it was such a powerful decision and message that really set him apart from naegi and hinata ( though they're always...best boys... ) and, somehow, i felt like for that, he was more real than they were. arguing against saihara in kiibo's perspective was really painful. tsumugi imo was a good antagonist; though making the most boring character the bad guy out of nowhere was a little bit of a shit move without a few subtle hints beforehand, given that all we had was the bathroom alibi from chapter 1's trial and the fact that she never told motherkuma directly to 'give birth' to a monokuma as evidence to go by ( was there more? i don't recall! ). while i love junko she was pretty lacklustre for a mastermind really, but the combination of tsumugi's motives ( as a person who is deeply involved in fiction and a creator myself i could relate a little to her die-hard love of dangan ronpa - to some degree it made sense to me ) and her constantly belittling the survivors by switching cosplays really appealed to me. she was copying junko for sure, but she actually had a motive in appealing to her fans, her audience, her creativity and her love of the franchise. junko just....didn't really have one. 'wanting the world to feel her despair' seemed really lazy, especially given that almost nothing about her backstory was revealed - she was evil without a real purpose. tsumugi is not the best improvement on it but definitely an improvement all the same. in the end, i actually think i would've been massively dissatisfied if the survivors did die along with tsumugi, even though i can admit it would have been much better for the story's impact if they did. they already took kaito and kiibo from me ;_; the ending wasn't without its flaws and inconsistencies but the heavy amount of ambiguity as to tsumugi's lies and memories is really interesting and leads to a whole lot of speculation, which i think is definitely a fitting tribute to what kodaka envisioned for this - keeping the characters alive. i think ndrv3 is my favourite in the series for entirely different reasons than i love the first two core games.
I love Weeby Newz!
Honestly my take on Tsumugi is this: Since she references a lot of shows over the course of the game, I think that she wanted to be the mastermind due to her obsessivness to be someone who matters - either the hero.... Or the villian. That desperation was her motivation to be the main villian.
Honestly the thoughts on the ending was not a positive one. I felt as though a lot of these things just felt forced, I cant exactly describe it, but it just felt really wonky how the ending was portrayed. I'll say it again, I can't describe what exactly made me feel this way, but that, and the counter argument felt really flat and uncomfortable tbh. I'm not really a big fan of V3 in general, so yeah...
honestly same. I wish there was an ACTUAL ending and not an ending we have to make ourselves because it makes me feel the whole series was pointless at least for me.I like to think that V1 and V2 REALLY exist in their own unvierse/world and v3 is the "real" world that's based off the games
can you make a video talking about the necronomicon. i dont know about other people but i havnt been able to find any solid reasoning to what would happen if they used the book
TruePietro here's my guess:
Assumindo the killing game is a show and the flashback lights worked,the necronomicon motive would actually work. All they needed to do was to get someone from the outside world (someone with similar physical traits of the one being resurected),use make up to make him identical to the deceased,they use the flashback light to inplant the the same personality and the memories of their time at the ultimate Academy until they were killed. Making the same character but with a different person
But he's not the same person
Thank God I wasn't the only one to notice these things. (Notice how the eyes of who Tsumugi cosplay says V3?)
The way I've come to understand this: this is a series of logic puzzles with Kokichi at the heart of it. Kokichi is the walking talking representation of a logic trap aka Liar's Paradox, and decoding him is the key to decoding the whole game situation and its implications. I should also draw your attention to the fact he does indeed have a brother as per his FTE, and 'twins' comes up in the password for the vault. The fact that Kokichi's *last* name is also used is very notable, too.
Since Kokichi and DICE are obviously chasing someone connected to Monokuma, and he talks about an organisation [he] inherited that has an extremely powerful influence over the world, we're talking something along the level of Big Brother in 1984, brainwashing and torture included. The suggestion here is the one Kokichi impersonates, and the one he's chasing, is his own twin brother, and the 'head' as it were, of Team Danganronpa itself: the 'Big Brother' of this game.
If the organisation was operational long before the brother inherited it, it definitely had an impact on the brothers, and in the worst sense. Kokichi's made reference to torture a number of times, and suggests that the organisation involves torturous games, while he has a trigger towards bugs, while looking extremely pale and at times sickly- heavily implying he himself has been tortured. He even says that 'food sleep and sex' will be given to you, while his Love Hotel heavily implies that he was raped, as he demonstrated the fact to Shuichi quite bluntly. And.. given who he masquerades as - his brother - this only gets so much worse, not to mention the suggestion that detectives would even do that, on top of torture people.
The implications of torture and rape - not to mention the spear and shield crest on Kokichi, the whole 'horse' shtick and straitjacket symbolising insanity - are references to Cassandra of Troy - a seer determined on saving her country from a disaster no one believed - who was similarly treated, ousted as a liar, and also has a twin. Kokichi also has an uncanny habit of reading peoples' lies, even reading peoples' minds and predicting events with ridiculous accuracy. He also evidently knows the group (as he tells Kaede that he remembers her!), and suggests overall that he knows far more than they, about the outside world.
Additionally, Tsumugi's birthdate is the same as 'Victory over Japan Day', while Kodaka has confirmed the V to mean 'Victory'. 'Victory' is also a brand in the novel 1984, known for the 'Big Brother' I mentioned earlier. Make what you will of that, but yeah there's a **lot** more to this.. "fiction" under the surface, Kokichi's 'lies', and the true state of the outside world. Kodaka's vague commentary about making what you will of it.. basically saying the puzzle is yours to work out.
Kokichi = Kodaka’s inner self
GenericTH-camComment Channel Are you saying Kodaka was raped by his own brother?
+Big Daddy High Noon Showdown Lol. No XD. I just meant that Kodaka enjoys misleading his audience like Kokichi does.
I think you'll find *Kokichi's* not the one doing the misleading..
+Jacks - Very true
So, I did a rant on this subject a few days ago. I have some things I really don't like in the ending. First of all, I feel like they continuously break the fourth wall until it's really just uncomfortable and annoying. Like how they kept saying the name, and as you said, feeling like the game is calling me out. And how they spend nearly two hours repeating that Danganronpa is fake and everything is fictional. Another thing is how they changed some of the voice actors, which sometimes is *very* noticeable. Specifically, Sakura Ogami and Sayaka Maizono. I also have an unpopular opinion, which is that I don't like how at the end, suddenly Kiibo is the protagonist. It seemed kinda weird that it's such a quick change from Kaede dying in the first chapter, to switching to Shuichi for 5 chapters, then suddenly you switch to Kiibo for half an hour. Then when it immediatly switches back to Shuichi, the game's over. That's most of my list, the rest are just me getting mad over Kokichi.
yes!!! i also noticed that part with shuichi´s named being like censored, and in the prologue he introduced himself with the same name, and that theory of Tsumugi being implanted with memories of being the mastermind would be so cool!!
It was the censorship which made me suspect the videotape in the first place
i personally do love the ending. it has some flaws but i think a perfectly executed ending is nearly impossible for any games. i do understand what they wanted us to see in the ending and by watching this vid, i came to understand fully. but whether i like or dislike the ending, it won’t change the fact that danganronpa changed my life and i won’t hate the whole series by one ending(but i like the ending so..yeah)
i dont think it was perfectly executed but it was pretty good
The best thing this game did in my opinion was the characters, not that one given character was the best in the franchise but rather very few members of the cast felt irrelevant. The only ones whom I felt fell flat were Kirumi, Tsumugi, and to a degree Ryoma. As to the ending it was my least favorite of the 3 games although I don't think it was horrible. I really liked Saihara as the MC, but I'd still put him second to Hajime. I think the main 4 characters, Shuichi, Kaito, Maki, and Oma, were also some of the best out of the other games. In terms of the trials overall I felt that they were a bit too complicated, not that they were hard, but a teenager would not come up with something like what they did #seesaw.
Himoke was poo poo
OMG SOMEBODY GETS IT!!! Great summary of the ending. I will say if you take the ending at face value, it’s not the most satisfying but once you sit down and look at the true meaning of the ending and the implications, it seriously becomes masterclass. I didn’t know about the comments from Kodaka in regards to feeling like your with Saihara at the end but that’s actually I felt. By the end, I was totally ready to end it all and shut down Danganronpa.
I can see how the audience was a point of contention for some. My first time through initially, I did see it as the actual audience but more just like poking fun at the super hardcore a little as opposed to insulting. However, I also figured by the end that this audience was different from ours, mainly due to the fact that the fan base (hopefully) doesn’t want real people to betray or kill each other. I feel once you disconnect the audience and the fan base, the true meaning of the ending becomes more clear.
I love how finding a concrete theory for the ending isn’t easy as well. With the theme of the game being truth and lies, it’s up to the player to interpret what they believe to be real. It makes for good discussion between people while still resulting in a satisfying ending. This also backs up the ending to where no matter what you thought of it, this fiction had an effect on you. That the reason for the discussion, analysis, and even the comments that get typed here. The story and the characters will live on through our own thoughts and it’s kind of beautiful in a way when you think about it.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the ending and I look forward to seeing more of your content in the future!
how i see the ending is that if everything was really made up, then the claim of it all being fiction could just as easily be made up, similar to the claim that the students were the only remaining people alive from whatever world they’re from. i feel like there’s way too much backstory (junko, the ultimate despair, towa city, the neo world program, etc) for it to be part of the killing game show. there are too many contradictions, like you mentioned. great video, you pretty much covered everything that i’ve considered.
i haven’t done any research or anything, so here are the questions i have regarding the ending. if anyone knows feel free to reply!!
1. where does something like ultra despair girls fit into this? it’s not a killing game, so how does it tie in? a spinoff series? if this is all fiction, is the real world in the same state as towa city?
UPDATE: in sdr2 there’s a poster with komaru holding a hacking gun and hajime calls it a movie poster so maybe drae is a movie spinoff, though i feel like it was more of an easter egg than proof for the sixth trial of ndr3
2. how does the anime fit in? the hope and despair arcs also don’t follow the killing game storyline, so if it’s fiction then why are the survivors of the first killing game the only ones to end up at future foundation? what was the point of coming up with the future foundation in the second game as well?
3. do ultimates exist outside of the world of the killing game?
4. if this is an official season of the killing game, then did everyone from the others actually survive since this is claimed to be an imitation by tsumugi? do the viewers know?
wowjennawow DanganRonpa 3 WAS a killing game. At least the Future arc was.
All this happened in a fictional world known as danganronpa. Ultimate doesn't exist, towa city and killing games neither
The only purpose if it is to entertain the "viewers" of the fictional real world thanks to the fictional team danganronpa
I would honestly like to believe that the "everything is fiction" concept was a lie. (Maybe that's because I put too much work into those other games for it to be fake so I'm in denial ovo;; ) But I was talking to my little brother about this while playing the last trial of v3. Tsumugi's cospox situation by itself is really bizarre and there could be many loopholes (hell, it could of been a lie itself.) What if she just can't cosplay as currently living people? So maybe by this point in time Makoto and the others are dead because it's been so long since they've lived so she's freely able to cosplay as them? (I know it's a loose theory lol)
I don't feel like anyone would willingly subject themselves to this killing game unless they were really ready to die. Another thing that bothers me is that, if they're die hard fans of the game, they should of known that their memories would of been erased and they would be put through that despair.
I dunno. I'm kind of grasping at straws lol. I don't really like the "everything is fiction" conclusion.
This ending was such a great thing. I though for a long time that it was trying to explain something to us as fans. Seeing Saihara so exited about wanting to be a detective. And how these real people are exited to join. To become a fictional character that goes on to murder other fictional characters. It made me think that it was telling us that the OC that we make actually experience these killing games as real. OC stands for Original character. Danganronpa fans (including myself) make those to join in killing game role play. And I felt guilty for actually doing such a thing. Over how exited I am when I join a killing game. Because when I join a role play it’s fiction to me. But I think the game is telling me that to the SHSL Sketch Artist it’s a gruesome reality.
This video sums up most of my thoughts completely!! And I never even considered the symbolism of the "4th wall" being the literal end of the game and how these characters still exist outside the game in our reality through fan work and theories. I agree that the ending could have been portrayed better, but I do love the idea behind it as well
All I care about was making the Mastermind pay for killing Kaede, so Tsumgi got hers!
3dark7 same man
I was a bit disappointed by it, but at least the other people that died in the killing game can face her in Hell.
I just wish her death was crueler, honestly. She died instantly while Kaede suffered a horrible, drawn or execution.
+Chanti Angrian I know right. Kaede’s unfair death was my entire motivation for continuing the final chapter. Tsumugi doesn’t even look like she’s in pain. (Especially when comparing her to Kaede) She just looks like she’s disappointed that her favorite TV show’s been cancelled. I personally thought of several other better executions they could’ve done after that.
GenericTH-camComment Channel Truuuuuu she shoulda been slowly pelted to death with rocks, kinda like Leon's while watching the world she built be destroyed before her eyes while she's slowly dying
I've got to admit I was one of the players who felt wildly insulted by the ending, but came around to liking it alot after giving it more analysis. I do think the whole concept of the ending is actually really cool, but I don't think it was executed very well and that's where a lot of players fell into the trap of feeling grouped in with the audience and not with Saihara and the other survivors.
It's easier to feel attacked then to give deep analysis on the spot. Especially in games where the time your given to think about what is being said is limited. Not to mention I was comically getting triggered by the excessive number of times the characters said 'Dangan Ronpa'. lol.
My friend said something like "Danganronpa doesn't even sound like a word anymore" during our playthrough lol
It just hurts that the 1st and 2nd game was not real
To be fair it is a fictional game
But if Junko and the rest did exist at some point, then she wouldn't be able to cosplay as them wouldn't she?
Cospox could be a lie too. Or work different to how she explained. And there's also a theory she could abuse a loophole, like cosplaying as Junko the 53rd, who is a fictional version of Junko, which could also explain why the names in the audition tapes where censored.
Cospox is just one of the numerous plotholes left by Chapter 6.
I understand the meaning of ending but I still hate it. It sounds neat on paper but the execution was rather sloppy
And something really strange that I noticed. Remember the bug in the 4th execution? Tsumugi did talk about it in the first trial at some point. O.o So she basically thought about it from this point?
Clutter78 She also drops an ominous "I didn't think we'd get to hang out" foreshadowing in her FTEs with Kaede, implying at the very least the executions were all planned out in advanced. She also kinda confirms this in Chapter 6 where she admits she never expected a total party kill to occur and didn't have a prepared punishment, therefore having to leave it to Kiibo.
It's possible she had planned executions for everybody to be used as needed
Cool analysis! V3 had my personal favorite ending out of all three games, for its open-ended nature (with any number of interpretations depending on what you take to be a "truth" and what you take as a "lie"), its commentary on "entertainment" and "the audience" as a whole (rather than the [preposterous] idea that it was taking a jab only at DR fans [since why would any work deliberately alienate its own fan-base?]), its utilization of everything built up in the previous games as a foundation for the final revelations (which is why I strongly disagree with anyone who would say V3, by suggesting DR1/2/3 are "merely fiction" [which, if you think about it, it is!], "trivializes" the first two games + anime) without simply rehashing things as many sequels are wont to do (and hilariously poking fun at this fact), and its focus on - beyond "hope and despair" that were centerfold and reached a satisfactory conclusion in DR1/2/3 - "finding your own way in life," much as Shuichi and co. broke beyond the literal and figurative constraints of the Danganronpa world (fiction OR real [in the V3 universe]) forced upon them and in the end forging futures of their own making.
Crap that came out a lot longer than I thought it would.
P.S. Btw, you could totally see Cospox as being fake as well: if Tsumugi wanted to fake an anaphylactic reaction to cosplying real people, she coulda just rubbed something on her skin or even swallowed something she was legit allergic to on the down-low before or while swapping clothes with Kaede [though if that were the case, kudos to her "work ethic" and potentially risking her life for the long-con (or maybe she had an EpiPen handy)] =P
P.P.S. Regarding Tsumugi's "confusion" in the prologue, Tsumugi could have just been acting like she had no idea what was going on during the prologue to fool the "audience" of DRV3 - this ofc would presume the entirety of DRV3, including the prologue, was being broadcast.
This is literally one of the best video game endings ever. I love meta fiction and how it can get the audience to rethink their perspectives. Danganronpa 1-3 were videogames within the v3 world and inspired a series of real killing games. It was such an amazing plot twist. A lot of the peiple who hate this ending just dont like storiesnthat make them think.
I was kind of confused about the ending, but your analysis helped clear everything up, thank you Weeby keep doing what you're doing!!!
Personally, I believe that tsumugi was lying about their personalities being altered. In the prologue, Miu and rantaro had the same personality as during the game, so it would make sense if their personalities were never altered.
IMO I thought the ending is...ok. The idea of a killing game reality show is great, but I felt it was too meta for it’s own good. Tsumugi sucked as a mastermind. I like some of what the ending was trying to say with how fiction can change the world. Overall the ending had a very cool idea and concept but terrible execution.
I agree with you. I didn't hate the ending but I didn't love it either like you said it was ok in IMO. Overall I did enjoy playing this game though!
KairiXIII oh yeah I enjoyed this game as well. The ending was a bit disappointing. Especially when it came after an awesome chapter 5.
David D Yeah I loved all the chapters especially Chapters 1,4, and 5 since they brought them feels, but yeah Chapter 6 felt really underwhelming to me.
David D Then, who doesn't suck as a mastermind, if you don't mind me asking?
ExcalGD Honestly, I thought Junko was a great mastermind in DR1. Just like everyone else, I did felt she got too played out (I did lol when V3 pointed that out). But the fact that she’s a teenage girl who can manipulate a large number of people to essentially commit suicide I found to be terrifying.
I kinda disliked the ending mostly because, while it tried to be subversive, it was kinda flat. It was like the first layer of an ending that never got peeled off to reveal the next layer of mystery. Like V3s first murder but unlike DR2s final chapter that had a first layer (virtual world) but a second layer (The protagonists were the Remnants and it was originally for their benefit) and a third layer (Junkos actual plan and the protagonists way to stop it) appeared. V3s twist ending was more like: "this is it!" and everyone was like: "ok, this is it" and in the epilogue it was like "maybe it isn't". I think there could have been more tasty plottwists. Like Tsumugi and Rantaro being the 2 victorious participants of season 52, "winning" their place in the 53s season with extra plot significance. Convincing her that she wasn't really the mastermind and her assumed identity of the ultimate cosplayer was real could have been really sweet. They could have deduced elements of the final chapter of DRV2 to make that believable. I mean, she already knew you could alter pretty much everything about a person. She really would have been forced to consider that her memory and character was altered. And if you like the ambiguity of DRV3 this could have served that part as well. Maybe Tsumugi could have been convinced that she was fake while not being really fake. TBH. This is my headcanon now and no one can stop me. =)
Hmmmm I don't think it was "this is it" especially given that they effectively end the series Danganronpa and get the audience on board, they completely refuse to co-operate (I love how Shuichi basically said Screw your despair and your hope, that was a nice change of pace from the other two games) I think the reason they didn't suspect that she wasn't really the mastermind was because they suspected that there was a mastermind among the 16 students since chapter 1, and just by going by the 6th trial alone they wouldn't necessarily be able to prove that she *isn't* the mastermind. But that's also a cool idea
When you replay the game you actually find yourself shouting together with shuichi at least in my case
I really enjoyed the your play through of V3. Im happy to be your subscriber!
I definitely thought Tsumugi was lying in the last trial! I couldn't quite piece it together though.
I also found it was weird that the "Neo World program" looked so different. And if they lived in a fictional world with their fictional rules, why did the oxygen not leave the ship when Keebo broke the end wall? When they opened the door at the end of the tunnel in the 5th chapter that happened, so that would mean in the so called fictional world would have the destroyed earth surrounding the ship. Anyway, what I am trying to get at is that the V3 characters may already be in the Neo World program from the start of the game. I am not sure why, but with the incosistancy I mentioned, plus Tsumugi's lines and cospox, lead me to believe the events of the first 2 games were actually happened.
Hello Weeby! You are my favorite channel of all time! I know how much effort and work you put into these videos. Keep up the good work!!!
Please make a Tsumugi Shirogane character analysis in the near future
I cryed my heart out when kokichi died I still cry it really impacted me in multiple ways especially because I relate to him so when he died I cryed so hard
To be honest, I can't say I liked the ending very much personally, but in my case I can't help but feel more that the ending had a lot of ideas that were interesting in *theory* but very poorly executed in practice.
A lot of the meta stuff in particular (particularly the commentary on an audience demanding sequel after sequel for a series that is, essentially at its core, about teenagers killing eachother) were things that I was expecting to come up, but I feel like the way that it was actually carried out by the game left a lot to be desired.
My first playthrough I came away thinking that the creators just really didnt want to make any more Danganronpa games
Same here. I mean, if they didn't want to they could have just tweeted about it. Not make us sit through an entire game just to tell us that all that we've worked for isn't real and that this is the last time we're ever going to experience a DR game.
I still think that the Hopes Peak trilogy was still real in terms of the Danganronpa lore. Whereas V3 was as they said, a fictional world. It was confirmed that V3 was never meant to continue the original trilogy, instead being it's own story. Kodaka even said that "They're (the viewers in NDRV3) from completely different world. That world's viewers aren't our players. It's really popular in the world over there. In the world over here its not... (laughs)" I took two different meanings from this. One of them is that the ending was not meant to hate on the fans. The other meaning is that V3 is not only fictional, but also set in an alternate timeline where people actually liked the killing games so they never stopped. My theory is that the other part of the twist was V3 being a completely different storyline from DR1, 2, and the anime. In conclusion, the plot twist revealed two timelines of the Danganronpa lore. The Hopes Peak timeline where the events taking place during the killing games really did happen, and the V3 timeline where the killing games were real, but people enjoyed them so they never ended until the 53rd killing game. Whether or not V3 is the final game, I honestly doubt it's the last game.
I was so confused on how to express my feelings about the ending, and I feel like you nailed it. While I was playing, I was seriously conflicted- I did feel like the audience represented me, and that I was being indicted for playing and enjoying the game by the characters. I felt seriously sour about the entire series for days afterward, because I felt it was really unfair in the context of the game. I doubt many of us would be okay with a game in which real teenagers killed one another for our viewing entertainment. Of course there would be plenty of people who would- but it wouldn't be a world obsessed the way it's depicted in the game, and definitely wouldn't include me. It pushed me away entirely. I felt despair not because I connected with Saihara's desire to reject the audience, but because something I loved was almost certainly ending in front of my eyes, and not only that, but I was being criticized for loving it in the first place.
I don't hate the ending after sitting on it and having read Kodaka's statements, I fully understand and appreciate what he was going for, but I unfortunately sometimes feel I love the game despite the botched delivery of their intent, versus the actual intent itself.
I've watched so many V3 ending analysis videos, but I haven't come across one that captures my own feelings perfectly (I mean everyone has different opinions so that's alright I guess). I was even planning to make a video myself 'cause the ending kept occupying my thoughts lol
But now there is no need for that anymore. Thank you Weeby for this perfection. If anyone asks for my personal thoughts on the ending I will just show them this video xD I really love the ending and I believe it has an incredibly powerful message, especially for people who are quite immersed in fiction, like me for example
I wonder what would happen if you went back to the beginning and picked tsumugi as the killer for the first trial
Alex DeGroot Yeah I'm curious about that
Like on her final play through of the game it always peaked my interest on whether or not it would either give a different ending or add some sort of special effect
Unfortunately I tried it and nothing had happened. During the vote in the only one who voted tsumugi and she didn't have any special dialogue, and if you choose her when accusing Kaede before the argument armament Kaede just told shuichi to follow the truth.
I wish they did do something but unfortunately there was nothing special.
Hope this answers your question ideally.
yeah it did thank you so much for the info, and yeah that kinda sucks that there isn't any special dialogue to go along with it, oh well hahaha
I love this video btw I can't wait for Gonta's character analysis
I have some thoughts on the ending and the question of reality and fiction within the universe of the games and such. I'm just gonna be dumping my thoughts out so please forgive inconsistencies and such. This is gonna be long so buckle up.
Saihara saying in the epilogue that Hopes Peak and the Remnants of Despair may have been real interests me. I have a thought that this may be the case - in a way. Perhaps a series of real events inspired the story we see play out in DR1, DR0, DR2, and DR3. Just maybe, in the "real world" a prestigious school or even multiple did experience terrible riots and mass kills around the time terriostis attacks where happening. All this inspired people who would later form Team Danganronpa to creat a series based on all these stories. The story they create became so popular that Team Danganronpa goes on to make 53 seasons of killing games, forgotten memories, and extraordinary prodigies. Over time people would forget that the story was based on real events. Fact became fiction. After all there is often a grain of truth in a lie.
All this could also have to do with the flashback lights. They could be actually equipments that Team Danganronpa uses not only to keep those who play the games in line but the audience as well. Making the audience believe that everything they see happening on their screens is just a fictionaly story with no bases in reality.
I do have to say that I don't believe that Tsumugi was actually involed in all 53 seasons like she implies. I just don't think her age matches up with that. 53 is a lot of seasons and 1 season can take time to make, produce, and distrubte. Also there's the time between seasons. It is just too much time for her to be involved. (I could be wrong about how long it would take though. Again I'm just dumping my thoughts out.)
Maybe to reason that Tsumugi was able to cosplay the characters for DR1 and DR2 is because she really did believe they were fictional. As Weeby pointed out, when you look back at the prologue, you see the difference between what Tsumugi says happened and what actually happened. You can say she was lying but to her it was the truth. Think back to DR2 when it is expressed how when someone believes something so much that it becomes truth to them. I think that's what happened with Tsumugi. She believed so much that Danganronpa was all a fictional story and nothing about it was real and that becomes her truth. I also think it was her dressing up as the other people in the audition videos but she forgot it was her. Her own memories were replaced to make it more convincing to the other players.
The true mastermind could be Team Danganronpa themselves.
Honestly about tsumugi cosplaying as kaede I always assumed that when she asked kaede to turn around that she ate a pill or something that'd make her swell up
I mean she did say that just the though could make her burst out in cospox
Hi from Colombia. I beg your pardon for my english, here it goes:
1. What do you think about Kaede's lost sister plot?
2. if Korekiyo would not have killed Angie, and she would have revive Rantaro, that fact could be a new reasoning for the plot.
I have a theory...... kaede's sis was lie by tsumugi to dress up as kaede.. idk.. But it really has strings to twins having a theme of in the game..... she called herself junko the 53rd to avoid cospox? cause junko is real and making fictional junko in her mind would change?
#Weeby For some, there is a confirmation in-game about HPA being real. Looking at how the 52 books in the shelf differ, the older ones have illustrations, the newer ones photos. If it started using real people after DR3 established HPA was up and running mere 8 months after its arc conclusion, the first two games were real, thus no photos, but from then onwards they turned out to be killing games. That is the theory running around Tumblr, at least. Thanks for crediting Comun's work! :)
I took it as the older ones (presumably 1, 2 and 3) being in-universe games with illustrations, like our reality and that it all started out as a video game franchise. Then the newer ones with photos were the ultimate-real-fiction killing games.
my theory is that hopes peak and the remnants did exist, and team danganronpa made a tv show based off those events. Also the kidnapping scene during the prologue was fabricated and people sent in bios and pictures about themselves so they could have a persona of them in the tv show, without actually dying, kinda like a experiment to see how far and how they would react to certain events
I try to see it as DR having 2 different cannons. 1 where it's reality (DR1, DR2, UDG, DR3) and 1 where it's all fictional.
Great ending, but just way too confusing, imo, to be the "true" cannon.
I have a pretty good memory, so when I played the game, I immediately saw all the inconsistencies and immediately came up with the theory that what Tsumugi was saying wasn't true before I even got to the epilogue. Of course, they could have done what they did with the prologue so that it wasn't given away too soon that the killing game was a show since some players, including myself, would have figured out the truth way too soon