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If you want to hear my thoughts about why Nagito gets the "gut feeling" of luck more, I'll try my best to explain what I think here. I think Nagito gets this feeling more than the average person because he goes with the flow of life. Let's take my example of freezing a Pokemon. When a normal person notices they are freezing Pokemon after having the gut feeling that they will, they will expect more and more freezes to occur. But now they are going to expect freezes before their matches even begin. It's almost as if they want a freeze to occur whenever they use an ice move. They want to keep their luck at the same level it's at but in the process these same people will lose their luck and stop freezing Pokemon. Why? It's because they are forcing their luck. Usually they only depend on that "gut feeling" but now they are hoping for a freeze every time. With Nagito, I feel like he doesn't force his luck. He doesn't hope to be lucky. He doesn't pray for luck. It just happens naturally. He is so confident in his luck that it just happens naturally. He just goes along with what life throws at him and that's what makes him different from the average person.
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Rantaro is called the Ultimate survivor, because he survived the 52nd killing game, not because of luck
Edit:
I apologize if I was being rude or a joykill, I sometimes state pretty obvious things that I don't really see as obvious 😓
Well he was the ultimate adventurer the reason he became the ultimate survivor was cause he choose to sacrifice himself and do another killing game so he only survived on a technicality he wasn’t one of the two winners who got to leave and return to the real world
If you interpret v3 logically, we don't really know Rantaro's ultimate talent, I mean, the only "proof" we have about everything being fiction are the words of a known liar/copycat (Tsumugi) and things she calls "evidence", instead if you pay attention, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to everything/everyone being real (excluding absurd lies and/or contradicting arguments like the goffer project), everything happening in the same verse, hell, they were actually kidnapped at the beginning of v3 (the real prologue is enough to know about the contradictions in Tsumugi's words/evidence), Shuichi even closes the Epilogue with his monologue about the (very) likely possibility of Tsumugi lying, and that they can only know the truth when they leave that place.
We know that. You're too down to earth, it kills the fun.
He was saying that Makoto deserves more the title of the ultimate survivor than rantaro, because he survived more stuff.
Nothing less, nothing more
@@vladimirlong7125 "you're too down to earth, it kills the fun"
Stop talking to yourself
Also, SPOILERS,
His OG talent is the Ultimate Adventurer, not Lucky Student
Nagito - Goodluck after badluck
Makoto - Goodluck in a form of badluck
Yeah. Unlike Nagito, he wasn’t expecting his luck. So he interprets his luck something like just a coincidence.
@@fritzi.4679 yea but nagito earns his luck unlike makoto
@@-w-4252 what do you mean earn?
@@IIBADDYLANII I think he means that nagito puts himself in a position, like the russian roulette, where his luck will be triggered while makoto, for example with the bathroomdoor in case 1 he didn't like did something so the door broke and it would be of help in this case it just so happened to be there so his luck comes rather coincidentially
The luck in danganronpa makes no sense as Nagitos super good and super bad luck can also affect others whilst Makotos good luck and bad luck only affects him, also Celestia also has Luck in her talent as well.
naegi has a permanent buff in minimum luck (he has miserable luck, but never gets to the point of getting harmed, his luck affects others, but is way less random than nagito's), he'll avoid danger more as it comes close to drop his luck scale too low
nagito has luck scale rigged to go higher (he has amazing luck, after going through something bad, his luck is chaotic, and affects others alot) he'll not avoid danger, but he the scale rises twofold when that danger is dealt with
Celeste has a permanent buff in luck (above average luck, destiny itself bows to her, and she had to get confronted with another person with the luck talent, the ultimate detective, use hifumi to make it harder for her, and kill two people at once for her luck to run out) she won't be saved from certain death, like naegi, but her luck is way higher than the other two's in most scenarios
How is celestial luck higher lol
@@-hello6177 well funny thing canonically they played a game against eachother to see who was the luckiest out of the three and the game ended up getting locked before any of them could lose so yeah they are all at varying levels of luck that work differently but the main thing that links them all is they can’t lose nagito killed himself So his luck was that he got poisoned , makoto wanted to live and survived a drop into a pile of trash with sharp stuff everywhere, as for celest she hates her luck and sees it as a handicap for her gambling skills so for her kills she used hifumi as a partner so her luck couldn’t play a part in it which is why she ended up losing
@@makotonaegi4419 she's a gambler, she never lost a bet, so it's obvious that she has good luck
In my humble opinion, Naegi Makoto's ultimate luck is the most ludicrous and broken talent in danganronpa verse, nobody even understands it (not Junko, not Izuru, not Makoto, and even irl people don't really get it), and because of that, there's lots of people just calling it plot armor lol (if that's true, the guy must have a full time on and invincible plot armor then :v)
Makoto's luck is implied to be stronger than Nagito's. It's masquerading as bad luck, but in the end, everything turns out good. If you see Makoto you would think that life itself hates the guy. But looking closely... No, it actually was good luck all along.
His door stuck? It saved him in the trial.
He slipped and fell down on a piece of paper? It saved him from Junko's wrench.
Kirigiri betrayed him?.. Well... Kodaka's waifu was saved I guess? Ehh. I think that the fact that Makoto came back safe united everyone in the group.
He was forced to go through a killing game? Turns out that the outside world is dangerous and every other HP's student ended up dead, so he was lucky to stay in the school.
The fire extinguisher stalled
during his fight with Munakata? Well, it worked at the right moment and hit Munakata harder than planned.
Whos munakata-
@@wikkerzzz white-haired guy from the anime
In my humble opinion, Naegi Makoto's good luck works on a metaphysical level, and it's the most ludicrous of all talents, the guy has the longest chain of luck I have seen in the verse (it starts before the events on DR0, with makoto's worst day ever, and continues after the end of the tragedy arc, I mean, he spared the bad guys and that somehow ends up saving the whole world? Wtf? How the heck is Makoto even alive at the end with such questionable choices lol, I mean, for example, he takes the fall for Kyoko in DR1, survives an absurdly long fall to a trash pit full of sharp objects just after surviving his own but undeserved execution, yeah, super logical, bruhh... nobody else could make that choice and survive, and that's one of his first steps to saving the whole world, a very important step)
@@miguelsalas555 Makoto didn’t take the fault for Kyoko, she blamed him. All he did was choosing not to do the same to her because BELIEVE. It’s not actually Makoto’s luck or character, it’s Kodaka’s favoritism towards Kirigiri. If Makoto did the logical thing and didn’t hide stuff because BELIEVE - they would still won. All Kirigiri had to do was excepting the fact that she can no longer push shit on a guy and giving him the key.
I don’t know how the fall wasn’t bad. But even Monokuma didn’t expect him dying from falling. I think that the fact of him surviving this is not something special and everyone on his place would’ve.
@@ryzhik9608 except that he is the only one who survives his execution, Kirigiri dies if charged guilty, even Junko dies by that execution, Naegi Makoto is the only one of the whole danganronpa verse to survive his execution lmao
Yeah come to think about it Makoto's luck also exist because of bad luck too.
(SPOILERS FOR DR1)
- If he were never in the killing games, he would never have survived them
- The broken door to his bathroom saved him (and everyone except Leon and Sayaka) in trial 1
- If he didn't slip, the wrench that Junko throws could've killed or at least harm him
etc.
I don't know whether this applies in anyway but isn't it confirmed that he only got in because the other higher contestor for the raffle got her offer ruined due to his luck or something? I read something about that, might be wrong though.
That wrench pierced the wall he'd be super dead.
Makotos luck is disguised as being really bad luck while nagitos luck is in a constant cycle of extremely good luck and chaotic bad luck but whatever happens nagito has an outlook that he is always lucky in a good way even if someone else would think of it as bad luck
@@Someone-or8tp yes, a bus Naegi took got highjacked by a luckster (well, not the previous winner) but failed due to naegi accidentally destroy his bag, took naegi as a hostage, got took down when naegi accidentally stepped on the accelerator pedal. Had enough the thief stole a motor from a postman. As he runs away, the motor tipped over,launching the theif and exploded because of a coffee can makoto dropped earlier and lost. The supposed to be Ultimate Luck died on the explosion of the said motor.
In my humble opinion, Naegi Makoto's ultimate luck makes him, by all purposes, impossible to kill, instead Komaeda can be killed with extreme difficulty as seen in DR2 (for example, he can kill himself, or he can help another person do it), but his luck is a lot more direct sometimes even looking like he can manipulate probability (unlike Naegi, who has metaphysical luck which people can't really understand nor analyze, I mean, not even Naegi himself thinks that he is lucky, bruhh...)
I'm quite powerful I know when I'm gonna freeze!
Monokuma, how do you feel about hosting another killing game? 😉
@ᑕOOᒪ_ᘜᒪITᑕᕼ sorry, I’m already working on it, but if you want to you can subscribe to despair melody! I’ll be working on it there with a few friends!
@ᑕOOᒪ_ᘜᒪITᑕᕼ Bro, wanna be the only good double murder/third case in the franchise? What we'll do is, we'll get the killer to hide one of our bodies so they'll be so focused investigating half of the evidence, not even realising that TWO PEOPLE HAVE DIED. And then in the last few moments of investigation time they'll find the other's dead body and have like 2 mins to investigate.
Then we watch the chaos from beyond the grave.
Someone
Lmao yes
bruh this is one of the reasons I kin Nagito, I’m EXTREEMELY lucky. I experience bad luck and then good luck afterwards. who wants to know a story
Me!
@@kristenbrinn3940 this is an extreme case that happened: i was being pinned down on the ground by my ex and i didn't like it and when he was abt to touch me the school bell rung, i was saved by the bell (:
@@yonglixiepop damn... that’s some *mad* luck .-.
@@yonglixiepop I'M GLAD HE'S YOUR *EX* AND NOT YOUR CURRENT PARTNER... HOLY SHIT. Are you doing okay?
Same! One time my brother talked shit about my hairstyle (it was two buns btw) and then he stepped on lego block,I don’t know whether i felt bad for him or felt extremely great about it
Makoto's luck is on a whole different level then Nagito's. Nagito even tells Makoto that you have the same luck as me, no wait its far superior then mine. Makoto's luck comes and gos as Junko puts it which makes it impossible to predict. When Makoto is lucky he is invincible. Junko hardly bats an eye when Nagito had her dead to rights but when she half heartly tries to kill Makoto she tells her sister that he is a threat and recognizes him as the only threat to her plans. Also not sure if saw the secret file on Makoto but Makoto actually lost the drawing the first time to become the Ultimate lucky student and before when they drew the other name it caught on fire in and burned which caused the headmaster to belive that student was not lucky and redrew Makoto's name.
Yes I'm not sure what you mean by secret file on Makoto but in the short novel, Makoto Naegi's Worst Day Ever, they thoroughly explained how a number of coincidences resulted in Makoto being selected for the redraw
People always say that Makoto is basic but if you look more into his character rather than all the other characters he isn’t as basic as you think. Keep that in mind
4:50
Monokuma knew because he saw which one was poisoned, so when he saw chiaki pick it up and not trade it he knew she had it
TO ELABORATE ON THIS: Monokuma also had *Absolute Omniscience* of everything that transpired within the simulation.
He admits that he doesn't need the cameras at all, that he could just know when an object became into possession of one of the participants without having to see it directly. He can just _know_ it.
Monokuma is a virus, and assumedly as a virus he is able to see as well as manipulate the Neo World Program code. A mere examination of the code, which would likely include the HP statistics and the actions of the players involved would reveal who actually killed Nagito.
@@AndrewColomy Rather than the HP, he'd isolate the bottle with the "Poisoned" condition, and then take note of who was in possesion of the "Poisoned Bottle" when it was thrown.
It's all Ones and Zeros, and easy to follow by carefully watching the mainframe itself, rather than the video feed.
What is luck?
Nagito don’t hurt me, don’t hurt me, no more
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE.
One of my favorite comments low-key🤣🤣🤣
His luck is op
Monokuma was able to know who killed Nagito because the game takes place in a virtual world. As a virus that was capable of manipulating the Neo World Program's code, and since all the people in the virtual world were mere avatars, their life status would likely be indicated through code as well. Inspecting the code, it would likely be clear within that code who killed Nagito by analyzing the script of that particular moment to see which avatar dealt the final blow to Nagito's avatar. That's at least the way I interpret it.
People when they realise that a kinda cannon storyline says that nagito graduates from hopes peak...
So his talent is perfected
Can I get a sprite cranberry
I mean, looking at the killing field trip... it seems that Nagito is able to manipulate and use advantage over his luck.
So i guess he did perfect his talent? Afterall, he pretty much understands how to use his luck for his own advantage.
@@miyakibd957 *that makes nagito a OP anime character
@@somerandomnamehere6011
In the hope arc, he DID kick a pebble down a mountain which knocks down a rock knocking down a bigger rock, knocking down even larger rocks and boulders and took out 50 opposing soldiers, helping out Makoto Naegi
@@miyakibd957 WELL-
Anime Spoilers
Makoto also survived the Despair-Brainwashing tape, where no one else had.
That's right!!
That doesn't even make sense but hey, Naegi is the Ultimate Lucky Student of 78th class, so why not? Lol
Juzo saved him
And he was lucky he did
See what I did there
Ha
Ha
I'll show myself out now
@@wowitsportal5225 and it was his lucky, like, he had to go trought the pain of watching that horrofying video, but then, juuzou came out of nowhere and saved him, like, he could had been too late or used another path
Did you read HOW Naegi got his lucky student ticket?
If not...its a very weird and luck based story too.
Involves:
A bycicle
a trash can
a bus
a robber
a phone
and a shoe
I did read it. I'm honestly not as big of a fan of the "luck" element in these games as I used to be so I didn't love the story but I did like it because there were some interesting things in there nonetheless. Who knows I might dedicate a video to it
*_Bruh, one of your vids got recommended to me and I bingewatched your whole channel, consider myself a new sub! Good content, my man!_*
thanks appreciate the support!
@Jerick Munoz sameeeeE
[V3 spoilers]
"Makoto is the only one to ever survive an execution."
What about V3 survivors ? You could even argue that Kaito is in a gray area, since even if he died during his execution, he didn't die directly from it.
The V3 survivors were spared by Kiibo and he made sure they stayed alive. Kaito didn't exactly survive since even if he wasn't killed during the execution, he still died.
and what about Komaru Naegi
@@professoraristotlemeans8860 you could argue she survives because she *IS* Naegi Makoto's sister (his absurd luck saves her for a greater purpose)
@Sophia Degand yeah, but when ultimate despair is doing the sh*ts they do, she is just held captive for a whole year, instead of dying by the incident, just because she is Makoto's sister... and then, she is saved by Byakuya (who survives and gets out to the world thanks to Makoto), and the rest of the game she is with Toko (the same logic as Byakuya). I mean, her plot armor is being her sister bro
@@miguelsalas555 I headcanon that Makoto's actual ultimate talent is Ultimate Hope and his luck is just a byproduct of this. His luck makes it so that things happen that will end up resulting in hope. Komaru survives the entirety of udg because she was needed for the hopeful ending of udg. Makoto's luck makes himself survive too since HE is needed for hope. Maybe that's why his parents don't survive/are never found since they aren't actually needed for creating hope
Bro, that moment in the anime when Junko throws a hammer at Makoto and he survives because he slipped and fell down was hilarious.
About the second rule, it has a book called: The Power of the Subconscious, by Joseph Murphy, that said that if you really believe something, the subconscious will make it happen. I will not enter into the details, but i think it's nice to bring that up, it may be related.
Is basically what you said. He is just so confident in his luck that happens.
You can also argue Hajime used Nagito’s luck against him by trusting Chiaki when she kept hinting she was the traitor.
Really interesting video, Nagito will always have my favourite talent in the series and I love hearing about all of his antics. I’m amazed that the guy you described at the start is a real person though, are we sure 😂
Makoto's luck is basically plot armor. In a sense that he is a "protagonist" that always encounters bad things often but his luck would prevent him from having a total negative outcome.. it would ensure his continuous survival.
As someone who used to play pokemon, I can confirm, that somehow, expecting a status effect makes it happen? For me it was flinching, I always knew when a flinch happened 😠
Makoto's luck is just plot armor, it only ever works when he's about to die
Actually Monokuma had known, cuz he has cameras, and he saw what order was the poison granate
Actually he didn't need the cameras since he was a AI that could just look the log of the simulation and se who killed nagito
Yeah I thought it was implied or at least explained that Monokuma is basically a god, and his only limit was the rules set by the world and the killing game.
If this is the luck student, then what is the ultimate unlucky student
Probably dead
I’m guessing they would have a lot of consistent, small unlucky things happen to them and nothing lucky in the long run, rather than the extremes that Nagito went through with good and bad luck
me
@@ltna15 long story short nagito in the OVA
Makoto also technically survived 2 attempted murders by junko in the og anime she tried killing him with a wrench but he slipped out of the way and she tried killing him while wearing that kuma mask but kyoko stopped her
In one of Nagito’s free time events, he tells Hajime that hopes peak does a lucky student drawing in every class because luck is a measurable force in their universe and they want to try to harness that
Makoto's luck often seems like
It affects the people he interacts with
More so than himself.
Like sure the door and execution are good luck for him,
But all of the cases in the first game have a slip up that one of the characters made in a conversation with Makoto.
(Syaka, Celeste, Hifumi, Mondo, Hina and Kyoko all accidentally reveal information to Makoto that they're trying to hide from everyone and don't want him to know either)
You could also make the case for that Makoto instinctively knew people were innocent,
Which could be considered luck, since he is often just guessing.
Every trial his luck creates a breakthrough in the case,
Which causes him to gain confidence in his luck,
Eventually culminating in his survival.
So that’s why Nagito keeps saying that it’s good to be in despair because it will sprout hope. He’s crazy.
10:25
The ultimate survivor is a jinx I’m telling y’all.
Maybe it's that gut feeling that you talked about that allows junko and izuru to predict luck?
That would explain why makoto's is unpredictable,he's hopeful but he never seems to actually know when or if he's gonna get lucky
That guy was an Assassins Creed character.
Fall out of a plane
Lands in hay
*I LIVE!*
Baby don't hurt me,
Don't hurt me,
No more.
WHAT IS ×lOvE× *LUCK*
Luck is luck you can’t control or understand in every story where luck is a factor, luck in stories like Danganronpa practically warps fate
4:40 the reason Monokuma knows chiaki poison killed nagito is cuz he knows everything that happens in the simulation
was this supposed to be a tutorial?
Perception can't really change the events themselves, but how you respond to things does matter. I've seen people who have bad luck streaks and they get this attitude where they're just waiting for that next kick in the teeth to come. That negative outlook becomes self sabotaging ("if everything is just gonna go to crap no matter what I do, then why try" type of attitude). Those who try to see the good side and view "bad luck" as opportunity are in a better position to capitalize on it when something good really does happen.
When it comes to that "gut feeling", I suspect part of that is confirmation bias. The times we guess right are more memorable than the times we were wrong.
I think the phrase you’re looking for with the Pokemon analogy is 'a self fulfilling prophecy'. If you believe (expect) something to happen, it will happen.
For example, if you have a work meeting early in the morning but you oversleep, you’re likely to believe that your whole day will be bad. Because you're expecting your day to be bad, it probably will be.
What is luck
Baby dont hurt me
Dont hurt me
No more
(Sorry)
Glad to know I wasn't the only one who thought of this
he knew which grenade was because it was all a virtual world, and monokuma is controlled by junko.
Nagito or the other guy gets on the bus, I would think "Ah, f***"
Everyone: *talking abt danganronpa*
Me: BLUE CENTESCORCHHHHHHHH
For how monokuma knew which bottle has the poison don’t forget it was all a video game basicly he could have recorded it or seen the stats and history and just knew it would happen , that or he knew nagitos plan and he also trusted the luck since no matter what happned he would win even if they got it wrong
ok so also his jammed door proved he wasn’t the killer in chapter 1 of v1
Nagito had so many death experience but he survived them all if that's not luck Idk what is
Edit: and the super lucky student stands for good and had luck mostly good luck
honestly sometimes i expect bad luck and get lucky and vice versa lol
Me after seeing the thumbnail: what is luck baby dont hurt me, dont hurt me no more
4:40 I think Monokuma knew because they were in a game so he probably had access to a killing log or something like that.
I have all if those, exept bad luck. I swear I can always tell when something unlucky is about to happen
Quick answer: Plot progression
I think somewhere in his backstory said his good n bad luck is because he was born in an unlucky month on a lucky day.
But, didn't duikiyo or what ever his name is (baby gangster) survive an execution?
I know it was peko's execution not his but, he still went through the part that killed people and survived. Or am I wrong about that? Please tell me.
Duikiyo💀💀💀
It's fuyuhiko btw
He did yeah
4:46 he was looking at the admin panel.
There is a camera in plain view
@@AVA-ee4pk i know- i was joking-
Murphy laws
Regarding how Monokuma knew Chiaki had take the granade... he could have seen Nagito place the poison one, and then, he just look who took it from the sheld... I don't really think is that far fetched tbh
He didn't need this, the second game is a game inside a game and monokuma was a AI that could just look the log files and see what just happened he was omniscient on this game
I KNOW IT IT NOT JUST ME I KNOWT
Phineas Gage is probably the luckiest and unluckiest person ever with his bad luck outweighing the bad luck but still
he is basically nagito with that luck
@@arthurdias6860 I like to think of him as simultaneously nagito and kazuichi
monokuma knew who killed nagito because its a virtual world
Moonlike would know which bottle nagito poised because he could just watch which one he put the poison in and just watch the bottle
My guy needs more likes
There is a simple answer
Midichlorians
Frane Selak is nagito in real life
Wasn't Nagito's traitor... actually Izuru if you think about it ? So he wanted Izuru to survive somewhere inside and the traitor of the class to perish...so it was a double luck there.
No, Nagito was definitely aiming to keep only Chiaki alive. He wanted the traitor from the Future Foundation, who he believed to be working with Hope, to survive and everyone else to die.
Though, technically, his overall goal was to eliminate Despair from the Island. And though he didn't do that directly, his luck *did* affect that outcome to some extent and so his luck was an active participant in the ultimate despairs recovering.
So I'd say, even if he wasn't aiming to keep the Despairs alive, the fact he killed Chiaki is what led to Chiaki being able to share some of the truth, resulting in everyone being united under their trust for her in the final trial and thus begin their journey towards Hope. So he did help, in some ways, eradicate Despair from the island, which was his overall goal ^^
@@Someone-or8tp welp we can all analyze it differently I believe,
@@ralunix4612 Nagito wanted to kill the "traitor". Since the Ultimate Despairs and Izuru were working with Junko, Izuru couldn't have been the traitor. He was working with Junko. Chiaki was the one working with the future foundation and against Junko and the Ultimate Despairs. ^^
@@Someone-or8tp I know. So from your point of view why would he want Chiaki to live?
@@ralunix4612 I think there's been a bit of a miscommunication here. He wanted Chiaki to live because he figured out that everyone except the traitor were the Ultimate Despairs. The traitor was working with the Future Foundation who were working with hope and against the goals of Junko. He realised this after getting the book of info on the students from the octogon.
His goal was to eradicate Despair from the island. The only way to do that, in his eyes, was to kill the remnants of despair: aka all the students except the traitor- Chiaki. After his death, he very clearly explains that this was his goal. He wanted to kill everyone except the traitor from the Future Foundation so that he could become the Ultimate Hope. Because Makoto became the Ultimate Hope by killing Junko, the Ultimate Despair. He thought he could mirror what Makoto did and kill the remnants of Despair who worked with Junko, thus giving him the same title.
In a way, the failure of his original plan worked in his favour. My point is that his plan failed, but was a vital stepping stone in the return of Hope to the remnants of Despair. Thus, in that way he did help eradicate Despair from the island/programme. But his original plan to kill everyone except Chiaki to eradicate Despair that way failed.
Edit: so my point here is that he wasn't aware that Izuru was the mastermind. Izuru was technically not the traitor, as he worked with Junko and the remnants of Despair. Chiaki was the traitor that Nagito intended to have live. It was double luck, I agree. Just I agree in a different way. His original plan failed but resulted in an even better outcome: the survival and restoration of his friends.
Why is Makoto is lucky?
For me it is Tomodachi life
because he is on the nintendo ds
Nagito's true ability is Ultimate Bullshit, that's why .
I am luck :>
2:17
Ew,Nagito.