Dude....that's awesome. It amazes me how flat Earth folks can believe something so ridiculous. We need to use CRISPR to fix that problem....it'd probably work on retardation too....they are similar conditions.
TheNeoEnigma this just proves many more people are employed who shouldn’t be actually. What’s the saying? Not all Trumptards are Flat Earthers but all Flat Earthers are Trumptards.
My favorite flat earther story I've seen is that flat earth group who are self proclaimed "scientists and skeptics" who do experiments to prove the earth is flat, and they did a bunch and every time the data comes back showing the earth is round, and then they just brush it off and say "okay well the next time we will prove its flat" 😂😂😂 these people are fucking insane lmao!
@@danpals7678 Unfortunately not. I think the most famous case of this happening was flat earthers spending 20k$ to buy a laser gyroscope to show that the Earth is not rotating to measure the exact drift predicted by a rotating round world. They proceeded to proclaim that "Energy from the heavens" must be influencing their measurements. Here is the relevant part of an interview with the guy who did the experiment th-cam.com/video/6pf44njV8g0/w-d-xo.html
There is no such video. There is one video where the producers edited it to make it APPEAR as if they proved Earth is a globe by taking things out of context and lots of sneaky misleading editing. But all the Flat Earthers involved posted the full, unedited experiments on their channels after the Netflix documentary was released, and sure enough the unedited footage proved that Earth lacked curvature actually... and the full footage proved they edited it to be deceptive in the Netflix documentary. It's crazy they can outright intentionally deceive everyone like that... Flat Earthers can even openly prove that's really what occured... and most of the public only watches Netflix while blindly believing what they're seeing so it doesn't even matter.
@@Wenyfile People who pretend gravity is a scientific fact are good little boys that don't know that science after the Method is actually done, don't need theories a equations for proof.
@@irishdruidess7391 I used to believe that gravity was a frivolous thing until one day when a man pushed me out a plane. On my way down I passed alongside the Sears Robuck building. At the 13th floor, the elevator door opened and a small, frail black man named Otis gave me a glass. He then leisurely tossed a couple of ice cubes in that same glass and proceeded to pour the Infidel wine.
"I'm not an expert on *blank* so what I'm saying here is speculation." This is a phrase all of us curious types really ought to get familiar with, and I think Krauss deserves a little credit for reminding us of that.
I think you have a valid point... but only to a limit. Intellectuals these days seem to have been very indoctrinated to think they can't scrutinize or think critically about any topic they aren't extremely specialized in. It's gotten to the point where it's too extreme... and everyone feels like they can't question anything... so everyone just ends up "trusting the experts" even when common sense dictates we are being lied to.
@@notloki3377 You don't need to be an expert to see the earth isn't flat. It's simple science. Those who believe in flat earth are denialists or generally gullible people that fail to understand proven science. It's like saying he's not an expert in unicorns, it doesn't give existence in unicorns any credibility.
Joe Dirte Randy would get duped. Cartman would join for ulterior motives so he could manipulate people and have power over them. He’d become a leader in the flat earth movement, and he’d try to convince Kyle he really believed it.
Flat earth is a psy op. One of the biggest pieces of evidence for this is that it appeared out of nowhere. Just think 5 years ago who was talking about a flat earth?
I like this guy. Articulate, smart obviously but so careful on respecting others regardless of beliefs. He understands why people are people. Where people are driven by Eagle and automatically want to put down and mock others to up lift themselves.
@vladimir putin is andrei panin jfk is jimmy carter Flat earthers spotted. I'm not but our ancestors found out way back. And now it's clear that earth is round
It's embarrassing that people even talk about this. I feel ashamed for myself even clicking on this. It's depressing we're talking about people that believe the earth is flat.
Imagine people leading hopelessly pointless lives in suburban civilization. Now imagine a percentage of them feel that mostly everything they believe is right, and most of what others tell them is wrong. Imagine some have a brain that seeks confirmation that they're "special, important, unique." Now add internet trolls who professionally BS dumb ideas into existence for a laugh. Sprinkle in some grand conspiracy mumbo-jumbo, and these slightly-autistic simpletons latch on for dear life and use the internet to organize a "movement." = Flat Earth Society
Actually, have a look at the "Myth of the Flat Earth" article on wikipedia. It's a common rebuttal used when I say we've been doing something or had knowledge since the Middle Ages, you refute it with, "Well, people also believed the earth was flat back then. So do you believe that too?" This is actually a myth, they did not. During the 14th century nearly all scholars and the educated had universally accepted the earth as a globe, like the Ancient Greeks did. That's how old this "idea" is. When 200-300 years ago, it became a joke/misconception that people 1500 years ago believed the earth was flat, when in reality that idea died out as early as 2600 years ago. *checkmate atheistz*
@@notloki3377 There is a lot of misinformation people go around touting as evidence in this world. We are definitely not sitting on some society breaking secret like a flat earth lol
@@notloki3377 School, research, engaging in conversatiom with not just like-minded people, but with differing opinions as well. Im not saying I have the answers, but I would so much rather keep my moutb shut and be an observer before being lpud and confidently incorrect
@@rajgill7576 my problem with the science types like Lawrence is that they use "evidence" as a club to beat down their ideological opponents and overestimate the degree to which science and its dogmas can calculate reality. This arrogance leads them to say things such as "if you don't believe gravity, you can test it by walking out a window before you reproduce."
More like he's able to change his public views to suit that of his current guest for convenience sake... while maintaining the same private views simultaneously
@Vybz-ut7wk he is a sell out, for sure. Controlled opposition. Hard to say whether he knows Earth is flat, not that it really matters. I mean he's basically a psychopath.
Point still stands. Nobody likes hearing about children raised by vulnerable and psychologically unbalanced people. Adults can believe any sort of stupid shit they want, children deserve better chance at life without being setback by moronic parents. There's nothing really funny about the statement tbh.
@@RobinPillage. the only problem with this is thousands if not millions of kids are still brainwashed with other things. How many kids are in cults and leave or religious and they leave? Once you get wind that what you're learning is wrong is only then you get curious enough to learn other things.
@vladimir putin is andrei panin jfk is jimmy carter It's because EVERY (billions of billion) other astronomical body is round; so the probability that ONLY earth is flat, is zero! I haven't witnessed this with my own two eyes, but all the satellites that have taken billions of pictures, and every astronaut/cosmonaut and other essential people would lie about this because... what? WHY?? To uphold some goverment propaganda and/or conspiracy, just because YOU and a fraction of one percent believe so? I'm trying really hard not to take you for a fool or a troll here, but you make it very difficult.. So try, not for me but for your own sake, TRY to pull your head out of your asshole for one second to contemplate and consider the OVERWHELMING facts and evidences that the earth is round. That's all I have to say to you and your like-minded. Keep it MOIST!
So you are ok suggesting people commit suicide because they have a different belief than you. It's pieces of dumbshit like you that need to go and top your fucking worthless existence.
now Neil Degrasse Tyson says you cant see the curve from 63 miles, because now there are tourists flying with Richard Branson or Jeff Bezos to 63 miles. Really? Yes. He says that. Why would he say that. It should be clearly curved at that altitude. Very curved. But its not. follow the debate can be hard for newcomers because they hide the videos, but channel names can still be found, Globebusters, NathanOakley, DITRH, Jeranism, Hibbeler Productions just as a start.
I don't believe in the flat-earthers theory, and it's been too long a time since flat-bred's touched my lips. One thing I know for sure... Texas is flat! Why just the other day I saw Billy Bob take out his big blue taw-marble in the gritty little town of Brownsville. He placed it in a circle... released it...and let it find its own way. Dontcha know that that old taw-marble rolled east to west at such a slow speed they had to get Cactus Jack to keep up with it.
As a Christian I'm a big fan of science. I know the earth is not flat, I know the dinosaurs existed, and man landed on the moon. If your an atheist I'm cool with it because I have family and friends who do not believe In the flying spaghetti monster like I do. Great video.🍝
That is so refreshing. Thank you! I regard myself to be a humanist but I do believe in a personal God, the soul, and some kind of afterlife. However I do think that in the here and now we should put people first and nature first. They have to come before technology and artificial intelligence. All we have is this small, fragile planet for a home (shut up Elon Musk!) and the the best, most honest way to honor God is to take care of our home, acknowledge our place in, and not over, nature, be good to ourselves and to each other. ❤😊
I love when actual logical people are on here and not people with political agendas that sway right and left. These conversations are the best because they’re about humanity, the conditions and irrefutable fact. The politics are so annoying. Political affiliation undermines the individual’s ability to decide on each and every single instance as a singular being. Instead they’re tethered to a group. It’s disgusting
4 years ago, but a great great comment. in my view you hit directly upon one of the biggest problems - if not THE biggest problem - facing humanity today
His arguments weren't rational at all, although they seem to be designed to appear to be to people who don't understand science very well. For example, his example with the shadows in the well gets the exact same results on a Flat Earth with a local sun as it does on a globe earth with a sun millions of miles away. So he's just left assuming one model over the other for no reason... a begging-the-question fallacy. Then his comment that jumping off a balcony would prove gravity is laughably ignorant. Flat Earthers are disputing the reason WHY heavy objects fall down (theory of gravity) not that heavy objects DO fall down (law of gravitation). We're in big trouble if even our top scientists conflate science and physics like that.
Nah, flatearther are straight up ignorant about science people and it is ok to be ignorant, everyone is about something, the main problem is that they do not recognize they are ignorant
I was a flat earther for 12yrs, but since the woke communists told me "You can identify as anyone you want", I started identifying as Superman ! I've since flown around the world many times and can clarify that the Earths...Round !
Joe: The two observers would only need to note the angle of the sun at local high noon, not at the exact same time. The distance between Alexandria and Syene was 575 miles, and Syene is on the tropic of Capricorn, meaning the sun is directly overhead at the summer solstice. So he measured the angle in Alexandria and did some geometry, as Krauss explained. I won't even touch flat-earth, except that explaining this experiment to a flat-earther just might work ;)
@@flatstuff1630 the towers of the Verrazzano Narrows Bridge are 1.6" farther apart at their tops than at their bases due to the curvature of the earth, despite them both being exactly perpendicular to the surface at their bases. There are plenty of other instances of similar, easily-measurable phenomena. Hell, go out on the open ocean and you can easily see vessels disappear over the horizon due to the curvature of the earth, and all you need is binoculars. They depart visibility and you can only see water from, e.g. the bridge of a ship, yet at the top of the radar mast the distant vessel is still visible. Round earth has been known for millennia and proven for centuries.
Here's the silver bullet for those who can understand it: The stars spin counterclockwise around the north star but clockwise around the southern cross. This is only explainable with a globe. The flat earth model cannot explain this. Also, the lamp-shaded sun in the flat earth model would look cut-off early and late in the day. Not a good look.
@Paul Muszynski , the globe is run off of presuppositions. Take a look into angular perspective geometry. Nothing works on a globe. Looking to the sky to identify the ground, not a good look. It's a religion no different than government/statism. It's run off of beliefs and presuppositions.
If it really was electromagnetic waves instead of gravity, people could wear magnets and levitate. Joe: "There's a man in Idaho who was found dead and covered in magnets at the bottom of a ravine."
*Derik Roberts* Very few FErs will posit 'magnetism' for the reason things fall down, most say that more dense objects sink through less dense mediums - all the while failing to explain why 'down', especially when 'up' would be more logical in that case.
There are two classes of flat earthers. The ones at the top that know it is b******* and are making money. And those below them who buy into it and are paying money for the books and the paraphernalia
*Matthew Coolness* Yes, yes it is. *Kosator* You release oxytocin when seeing 'some person' because your instinct makes an assessment of their breeding potential based on their body shape and other attributes and factors.
True but some people don't have desires for children and reproduction, but still find love. Some people don't look for love and still find it... there are always going to be instances that can't be explained through science...
@@yellowbelly7863 That is absolutely explained by science. These systems aren't foolproof, and our cognition and culture can amplify or negate them. The ability to decide whether or not to have kids is not a disproof of the science of "love" as described by OP. It is explained using... ...more science.
@@hhiippiittyy like Morphic Resonance. Tried and tested by science. Proved to be true. Yet, science calls it psuedo science. Structured water. Proved also. Same classification as above. Some parts of science is clearly b.s. For instance: Macro evolution. Not enough evidence in the fossil record.
I would say it's explained away by that for people who don't like things being unknown.. You can explain away any phenomenon if you use Darwin as a whipping boy for your poor philosophy.
I'm trying to understand this flat earth ... supposedly the sun is kinda like a spotlight that goes around the flat disc. Ok i got that... but the sunset goes below the horizon .... on a flat disc?? ERROR 404 - Brain cannot compute.
Melodic me and some flat earthers were arguing bout a month back going back and forth. we had sent eachother bout 15 comments until I made the point you just stated and I never got any comments back from any of them. I guess that question was to damning to their "theory" . its funny cause every other thread on this video criticizing flat earth has loads of flat earth believers commenting back but your comment has 0 retorts. flat earthers cannot explain why the sun goes over the horizon on a flat earth or why its dark in new York and still light in Colorado.
Melodic if you stand In a long hall way with a candle, only a certajn area will be illuminated. While the other will remain dark, moving towards the dark side the lightside will slowly get dark
Melodic as you look down in a distance the sky meets the ground due to your perspective. The sun only appears to fall under the horizon when actually it's moving away from you. So my model still works
kordell franklin It's pretty hypocritical when you says its a lack of perspective. But this whole flat earth thing simply comes from the fact that the earth appears flat at your perspective. It's the only observational "evidence" flat earthers have ever provided. But in reality you are simply lacking perspective because you need to be in Earth's orbit to see it's a sphere, because of course, the Earth is a really BIG sphere!
Eddie should choke joe out for ostracizing him. Shitting on his longtime friend bc he doesn’t want talk about flat earth. Get Eric DuBay on the show and he’ll make joe look like a fucking retard. But Joe won’t have him on bc he knows he’d get destroyed.
It's amazing how most modern scientists like Krauss have such command of the English language. We are blessed to have these people who can have the audacity to say walk out of the balcony and jump to prove your meaning of gravity. That my friend is the courage of his convictions
It's actually very concerning prominent scientists would say something so silly. It shows he's conflating the theory of gravity (reason WHY heavy objects fall down) with the law of gravitation (law of physics that heavy objects DO fall down). Its not possible to prove gravity by observing that something falls.
@@lightbeforethetunnel more specifically, science allows us to measure and predict the effects of gravity (to an incredible amount of precision), but so far still can't explain "how" it functions.
Lawrence Krauss has such an excellent way of approaching these issues. I appreciate his humility vs others who condescend over these issues (Neil deGrasse Tyson comes to mind). It's refreshing to see a scientist that legitimately sympathizes with people with ignorant tendencies.
uhhh, maybe you should watch more of their stuff. krauss is pretty well known for his biting sarcasm towards "unlightened" religious nematodes. ironically it is tyson that believes more in the more patient teaching approach.
Lawrence Krauss the guy who admitted the evidence shows that the Earth is in fact in the center and "woah, thats crazy. Is the Copernican principle coming back to haunt us?" He's so smart that every argument he made against flat earth was a strawman fallacy built upon immense intellectual ineptitude.
My question: why are conspiracy theories such a bad thing? Some of them have turned out to be true. Shouldn't we all hear them out and then try to find evidence of truth or falsehood? I have my own theories about the relationship between humans and aliens. Just from gathering seemingly unrelated knowledge from different sources and my own brain sort of put it together. Then I hear theories on the same subject from others and a lot of it matches up. Isn't it possible that people who don't know each other can come to similar conclusions on a subject and not be crazy? Yes, confirmation bias is a thing, but when you come across it unexpectedly, doesn't that prove to a limited extent, that you may be on to something? Its hard to even discuss the possibility of human/alien connection when a large portion of the general population doesn't even believe that aliens exist, but I think that is slowly changing. Our military has admitted that there are UFO's of unknown origin that appear to possess technology that is "not of this world." I think they are admitting it because they can't stop or explain away thing people have seen and experienced. OR...they are slowly preparing us for contact. My point is, aren't conspiracy theories nothing more than people asking questions? Doesn't science itself begin with theories? We have been trained, for so long, to be wary of the dreaded conspiracy theory label, and to believe it's a bad thing. People are breaking free of these mental prisons that have been imposed on us and I think it's great. Free thinkers are almost always the greatest innovators. Now, the flat earth theory has never been one I understand. I remember seeing a picture taken from a Concorde flight. It was taken out the window at cruising altitude, and you could clearly see the curvature of the earth. I was in awe of it. This, btw, was years before the flat earth theory had gained any traction. That leads me to believe that the photo was real. Plus, a lot of their reasoning for believing the earth is flat can be countered with facts we already know about this planet. Readily available photos taken from space aren't enough to convince these people? Apparently not. Each to their own I guess.
The only thing I think goes against " conspiracy theorists " is that they are usually incredibly rude if you dare try to have a sensible debate with them, you can't actually discuss anything because they just shout..SHEEP..at you etc... There is no chance of discussion. They think by shouting the same words over and over again that they are correct. They don't look at all sides of the discussion, they only read and watch item's that agree with their way of thinking. That is not a healthy way to live your life. People should look at every side, do you're own research but ay..it seems too hard work for them so they stick to their narrow thinking. They say people who do research are narrow minded, how is that so? Well that's my thoughts. Respect 🙌
Agreed. It's the fact they get belligerent and actually blatantly Iie. You see someone answer their "gotcha question" to one of them, using testable evidence, and that the FE has no response, and yet you'll see them the next day Iying that "nobody can explain x to me".
@@glenndouglas8822 Yeah, some conspiracy theory followers act like religious extremists. You might as well try to talk a hungry lion into not eating you.
People should be less interested in being right/wrong and more interested in being rational. The old saying that a broken clock is right twice is a day is true, but the correlative is that such a clock isn't very useful any other time. Conspiracy theorists are the same way. They may turn out to be right sometimes, but the vast majority of the time they are not, and the reason they're not is because they tend to arrive at their conclusions via irrationality with a gross lack of evidence and a heaping dose of ignorance. I'm fine with "hearing anyone out," but at the end of the day it's down to the evidence, and the vast majority of people are not good at rationally assessing evidence. If human brains worked like perfect Bayesian calculators we'd be much better than we are, and part of the reason science works so well is that it's designed to counteract all of the biases that human brains are afflicted with, first by boiling everything down to repeatable empirical tests; and second by having other experts in a field review it and try to figure out every way in which the experiment is flawed or doesn't support the conclusion. Your average person is nowhere near as rigorous when it comes to assessing evidence as scientists are, and people tend to be selectively skeptical or gullible depending on irrelevant things like their emotional disposition towards something (wanting to believe/disbelieve it). To take your specific example, while I'm open to the idea that aliens probably exist somewhere in the universe I do find it extremely improbable they've been to Earth. There are too many reasons as to why, but the biggest one comes down to the size of the universe, how long humanity has been around, and how difficult space travel is. First you have to consider the probability that an alien species would be able to invent interstellar space travel at all; then you have to figure the probability that of all the countless number of planets in the universe they'd just happen to end up on ours; then, not only would they end up on ours, but they'd end up on ours within the incredibly short timeframe that we humans have been here. There's also the problem that none of this "evidence for aliens" existed until Hollywood started making films about aliens and they started becoming part of the public consciousness. There's also the problem that if they had been here I would find it very improbable that we wouldn't have definitive proof by now; not just UFOs (which are UNIDENTIFIED, meaning we don't know what they are), and not just a handful of stories from people that could be lying, exaggerating, or even high (you may think I'm joking about the latter, but people who go into nature and light fires often end up burning hallucinogenic plants on accident). I have the same issue with Bigfoot. One last thing I'll say is that science doesn't begin with theories, science begins with hypotheses that are then rigorously tested for every possible way they could be wrong. When Einstein proposed General Relativity he proposed an eclipse experiment in which he said the light of distant stars would be displaced slightly by having to bend around the mass of the sun. That's the kind of empirical prediction that science can (must) make for their hypotheses to become theories. Conspiracy theorists never make these kind of predictions that turn out to be right.
Greek culture was an extension of Vedic culture and genetics proved it... In Vedic culture we always knew earth was geoid shaped... They also knew about the planets and the distance from earth to sun... It's all written in our ancient scriptures...
Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth in ancient times and was very close. Later Posidonius calculated it later and was off by about 6000 miles. Columbus believed Posidonius. He sailed the ocean to the west and at about the right distance, according to Posidonius, he ran into "the "Indies."
@Inkosi-Inathi Memani lol no. In a world where just watching the Sun tells you which way is east or west, how do you imagine he would've made a mistake of that magnitude, every day for weeks on end?
well, to be fair Gravity technically "does not exist" if you're going with Einstein's definition based on relativity, as opposed to the Newtonian definition whereas gravity was a force
How do you know Australia is upside down? North being Up and South being Down are human creations. YOU could be the one that's upside down, buddy. How do you feel??
@@kevinskinner4986 I was being sarcastic. Nobody is upside down. And water doesn't stick and float upside down. I'm just making fun of Rogan and Krauss for believing that it does.
That was always my question to flat-earthers the question is if the Earth was flat then wouldn't we all have light at the same time and dark at the same time
Exactly. They actually knew this thousands of years before the Greeks. In fact Greeks came to study in Egypt. Everything from medicine to general knowledge of the earth etc
I like the idea of supergluing flattards to Space X and other rockets being launched into space. Also should use a go pro to stream it live. Flattards love the fish eye lense excuse. We can see their faces as their fantasy world crumbles right in front of them. Two birds . One stone.
isn't the whole flat earth theory debunked if you simply call someone on the other side of the earth and ask them if the sun is out? You guys get me? wouldn't it be daylight everywhere if it was flat? I mean why even debate them
erick 33 They have a rebuttal for that too. The sun is a small ball of light moving circular over the plane. Why it doesn't light up the whole plane? Look at a light bulb in a big dark room, it doesn't light up the whole room, just a bit of it. I don't believe flat earth I just watched so many videos on it. I'm thinking sometime in the next 20-30 years it will be either proven or debunked.
I looked it up, so fake, i wan't real earth movement with angle, that earth was not even moving at all, and where are the stars and moon? What for they have supercomputers? one reason to make 4k fake images.
Wouldnt you not know the circumference from this experiment if you didnt know how far the sun was? Also, if they were using sun dials, I'm confused as to how they could ascertain that they were taking their measurements at the same time (i.e. the man with the sun straight above has 12 noon on his dial a few moments ahead or after the other man).
Eratosthenes was off by a fractional margin and this is probably due to the lack of equipment you just pointed out but modern equipment has since measured it and the original measurement was near spot on.
There is this very tiny thing about flat earth. YOU have to present *EVIDENCE* for YOUR claims. When are you going to present a map of the flat earth that conforms to reality and that can be used for navigation? When are you going to present the model of the flat earth that explains all observations? *What is be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.* No map, NO model, *NO FLAT EARTH.*
The irony is that the latest theoretical physics thinking... the thinking Krauss is totally emersed in... is that the universe exists on the two-dimensional plane of an event horizon... 2 DIMENSIONAL!! THAT MEANS FLAT!! But yes, we perceive it as 3 dimensional... Krauss knows this, but he's more interested in attacking or diminishing those he thinks are his opponents
Joe"First of all how do they communicate with this guy ,100 miles away.." Rogan, Yes Joe, no one was able to communicate with each other over long distances until they invented android cellphones.
but wasn't time measured with sundials back then? So... the time 100 miles away would be slightly different because of the angle of the sun. In other words, isn't the well a sun-dial as well?
The only thing flat-earthers fear, is sphere itself.
im a flat earther..but you....you sir are a god
Dude....that's awesome. It amazes me how flat Earth folks can believe something so ridiculous. We need to use CRISPR to fix that problem....it'd probably work on retardation too....they are similar conditions.
@@snootwallace5555 yessir
If I see this pun one more time I swear I'm gonna become a flat earther just in spite...
awwwwwwh shit
At this point, no fiber of my being can believe that flat-earthers aren’t participating in the greatest troll in the history of mankind.
~80-85% are just shitposting trolls. The rest seem to believe or are making money off the lies.
I concur that someone started the flat earth meme to troll ignorant people, and it has unfortunately revealed how many stupid people are out there.
Timothy Kaldis this made me instantly think of Trump & his desire for attention & these DmbStpdFks believe his lies & HERE WE ARE!😡😒
Francisco Nz Do you mean the under 5 percent unemployment rate and the stock market breaking 29,000? Yeah, okay libtard.
TheNeoEnigma this just proves many more people are employed who shouldn’t be actually. What’s the saying? Not all Trumptards are Flat Earthers but all Flat Earthers are Trumptards.
Didn’t know how much I liked the old studio until I saw an old clip
It’s his new lightning I’m not much of a fan of.
My favorite flat earther story I've seen is that flat earth group who are self proclaimed "scientists and skeptics" who do experiments to prove the earth is flat, and they did a bunch and every time the data comes back showing the earth is round, and then they just brush it off and say "okay well the next time we will prove its flat" 😂😂😂 these people are fucking insane lmao!
Well, flat earth theory must explain why people go missing. They all followed Jimmy Hoffa right over the edge!
Bullshit
@@danpals7678 Unfortunately not. I think the most famous case of this happening was flat earthers spending 20k$ to buy a laser gyroscope to show that the Earth is not rotating to measure the exact drift predicted by a rotating round world. They proceeded to proclaim that "Energy from the heavens" must be influencing their measurements. Here is the relevant part of an interview with the guy who did the experiment th-cam.com/video/6pf44njV8g0/w-d-xo.html
Sounds like the covid paranoids thinking it's 100x more deadly than it is lol.
The media is at fault for most of that
There is no such video. There is one video where the producers edited it to make it APPEAR as if they proved Earth is a globe by taking things out of context and lots of sneaky misleading editing. But all the Flat Earthers involved posted the full, unedited experiments on their channels after the Netflix documentary was released, and sure enough the unedited footage proved that Earth lacked curvature actually... and the full footage proved they edited it to be deceptive in the Netflix documentary.
It's crazy they can outright intentionally deceive everyone like that... Flat Earthers can even openly prove that's really what occured... and most of the public only watches Netflix while blindly believing what they're seeing so it doesn't even matter.
"Do it before you reproduce."
Brilliant Lawrence Krauss!!
This make me chuckle!
Fuck that malicious shit. That's not productive.
The truth is in the jest.
@@Wenyfile People who pretend gravity is a scientific fact are good little boys that don't know that science after the Method is actually done, don't need theories a equations for proof.
@@irishdruidess7391
I used to believe that gravity was a frivolous thing
until one day when a man pushed me out a plane.
On my way down I passed alongside the Sears Robuck building. At the 13th floor, the elevator door opened and a small, frail black man named Otis gave me a glass.
He then leisurely tossed a couple of ice cubes in that same glass and proceeded to pour the Infidel wine.
"I'm not an expert on *blank* so what I'm saying here is speculation." This is a phrase all of us curious types really ought to get familiar with, and I think Krauss deserves a little credit for reminding us of that.
He's not an expert on flat earth, yet he presumes to be
@@notloki3377 no one with a brain can be an expert on flat earth...
@@ji-di7zr muh logical fallacy
I think you have a valid point... but only to a limit. Intellectuals these days seem to have been very indoctrinated to think they can't scrutinize or think critically about any topic they aren't extremely specialized in. It's gotten to the point where it's too extreme... and everyone feels like they can't question anything... so everyone just ends up "trusting the experts" even when common sense dictates we are being lied to.
@@notloki3377 You don't need to be an expert to see the earth isn't flat. It's simple science. Those who believe in flat earth are denialists or generally gullible people that fail to understand proven science.
It's like saying he's not an expert in unicorns, it doesn't give existence in unicorns any credibility.
"do it before you reproduce" i absolutely loved that lmao
Yeah so good - I agree 😂😂
😂😂😂Got it too
Yep, hate speech
“You don’t want to become so open minded that the wind can whistle between your ears”
- Terrence McKenna
When people say Im closed minded l ask them if they have raped or murdered a child..or are THEY closed minded to that..
@@only1too what? Type of cringe shit is this? What do u even mean by this ?
Saw a flatass the other day
Not a good idea to talk about your wife on TH-cam.
France? 80's lesbians?
You eyeing my girl?
in the mirror
@@RubbinRobbin Nah, not his wife. Else he would have said "everyday" instead of "the other day"
They need an episode where Cartman gets converted into a devoted flat earther
😂
Joe Dirte Randy would get duped. Cartman would join for ulterior motives so he could manipulate people and have power over them. He’d become a leader in the flat earth movement, and he’d try to convince Kyle he really believed it.
Cartman is a fat girther.
@ Joe Dirte Yeah Randy fasho lmao
YES!!!
4:47 Lawrence Krauss.exe has stopped working...
Sounds like a toad busting a nutt
"Do it before you reproduce"😂😂😂 I see what he did there
the earth is 4 kilometers deep and filled with oompa loompas
kyle Brown I feel like they should've been called boompa Doompas
LMAOOOO and lemmings
i could get behind this
kyle Brown I tought is was filled with happy meals so this is a big dissapointment
Flat earth is a psy op. One of the biggest pieces of evidence for this is that it appeared out of nowhere. Just think 5 years ago who was talking about a flat earth?
"and the great thing is , do it before you reproduce" LMAOO
I like this guy. Articulate, smart obviously but so careful on respecting others regardless of beliefs. He understands why people are people. Where people are driven by Eagle and automatically want to put down and mock others to up lift themselves.
If that wasn't the most convafuckingluted thing I've heard all day, I'd be fucked
Eagle? You mean American pride and pride in general, ego and such things?
In my country, even dog knows earth is round.
We are quit scientific just because we don't have a common sets of belief I guess
@vladimir putin is andrei panin jfk is jimmy carter Flat earthers spotted. I'm not but our ancestors found out way back. And now it's clear that earth is round
Like the dog in dogma and the bull in bullshit. Earth is flat and there are many future hell fuel zealot liars.
Dog is closing in on Brian Laundrie.
It's embarrassing that people even talk about this. I feel ashamed for myself even clicking on this. It's depressing we're talking about people that believe the earth is flat.
yeah luther, wake up. The earth is flat and we are all just sugar particles on gods flapjack
I think it's embarrassing people blindly follow quacks like Krauss. The Earth is flat. look it up
Sly McGee you sir, are one blind fucktard
lol "look it up". don't reproduce dude
Sly McGee "It's on Flat Earth forums so it must be true"
When Rogan says "some people", he's talking about bravo
Oh Boy lol that's for sure
Lol
Hahahahaa
Who’s bravo
@@ka-boom2083 Eddie Bravo
“Do it before you reproduce” golden 😂😂
Flat earthers may live in a two dimensional reality. Just not wired for 3D reception yet.
Flat earthers are playing 8d chess, you're downloading all your information one dimensionally from NASA.
@@notloki3377😂😂loser
@@notloki33778d isn't real kid.
@@amongussus4 you can set my balls directly in your mouth. It's a description of a space with eight independent dimensions of measurability.
I actually can't fathom how in 2017, flat-earth is still a talking point.
Luke Robertson Its the current year, therefore some bullshit.
The answer is real easy... The internet.
Imagine people leading hopelessly pointless lives in suburban civilization. Now imagine a percentage of them feel that mostly everything they believe is right, and most of what others tell them is wrong. Imagine some have a brain that seeks confirmation that they're "special, important, unique." Now add internet trolls who professionally BS dumb ideas into existence for a laugh. Sprinkle in some grand conspiracy mumbo-jumbo, and these slightly-autistic simpletons latch on for dear life and use the internet to organize a "movement." = Flat Earth Society
Actually, have a look at the "Myth of the Flat Earth" article on wikipedia. It's a common rebuttal used when I say we've been doing something or had knowledge since the Middle Ages, you refute it with, "Well, people also believed the earth was flat back then. So do you believe that too?" This is actually a myth, they did not. During the 14th century nearly all scholars and the educated had universally accepted the earth as a globe, like the Ancient Greeks did.
That's how old this "idea" is. When 200-300 years ago, it became a joke/misconception that people 1500 years ago believed the earth was flat, when in reality that idea died out as early as 2600 years ago. *checkmate atheistz*
Its funny to see someone call other people trolls when this is the 5th comment ive seen you on. Troll.
The Flat-Earther's Toolkit: "respond to every criticism with, 'YOU SHOULD DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH HURRRRRRRR!!!'"
I wish I could ignore evidence, its like a superpower to these flat earthers
You ignore plenty of evidence that you don't agree with all the time.
@@notloki3377 There is a lot of misinformation people go around touting as evidence in this world. We are definitely not sitting on some society breaking secret like a flat earth lol
@@rajgill7576 how do you know that you're not the one who is misinformed? and furthermore, how do you qualify misinformation?
@@notloki3377 School, research, engaging in conversatiom with not just like-minded people, but with differing opinions as well.
Im not saying I have the answers, but I would so much rather keep my moutb shut and be an observer before being lpud and confidently incorrect
@@rajgill7576 my problem with the science types like Lawrence is that they use "evidence" as a club to beat down their ideological opponents and overestimate the degree to which science and its dogmas can calculate reality. This arrogance leads them to say things such as "if you don't believe gravity, you can test it by walking out a window before you reproduce."
There's a skit where Jimmy Kimmel's intern goes to a flat Earth convention that is hilarious.
Lawrence "The Universe doesn't give a shit about me" Krauss😭😂😂
He said this as i was reading it 🤣
Physics teacher mma fighter
I love it when Joe has scientists on the podcast
me too...they keep my mind open
Ken wheeler and Eric Dollard are real scientists
@@nickgurpleez2628 well if covid 19 and 2021 proved something is that you cant even trust the science lel.
Science is knowledgeable facts . You don’t believe facts?
Scientist? LOL this guy is not a scientist. He's a Scientism priest.
People in the Middle Ages didn’t believe the earth was flat. Even the church accepted the fact that the earth was round during this period.
Flat earthers can't even explain an eclipse
Because the Moon magically travels West to East every so often right?
I click on videos about flat earth to read comments, quality entertainment
me too
Real good entertainment
I love how Mr. Rogan is able to change his views based on new information. Go Joe Rogan.
More like he's able to change his public views to suit that of his current guest for convenience sake... while maintaining the same private views simultaneously
@@lightbeforethetunnel Yeah, this was from four years ago. I have changed my views based on new information.
good trait to have!
@@lightbeforethetunneljoe is clearly flat earther just sell out
@Vybz-ut7wk he is a sell out, for sure. Controlled opposition. Hard to say whether he knows Earth is flat, not that it really matters. I mean he's basically a psychopath.
I’m really impressed joe recognized the error of the experiment and limitations of the time
Chicken dollars
"Test your hypothesis from the 13th story, and do it before you reproduce" 😂😂😂😂
"..and do it before you reproduce" :D Best comment I've ever heard about the flat earthers.
Hmmm... Your boi Joe didn't even snicker. Which is why Larry felt he should repeat it. Again, crickets from Joe.
Point still stands. Nobody likes hearing about children raised by vulnerable and psychologically unbalanced people. Adults can believe any sort of stupid shit they want, children deserve better chance at life without being setback by moronic parents.
There's nothing really funny about the statement tbh.
@@RobinPillage. the only problem with this is thousands if not millions of kids are still brainwashed with other things. How many kids are in cults and leave or religious and they leave? Once you get wind that what you're learning is wrong is only then you get curious enough to learn other things.
@vladimir putin is andrei panin jfk is jimmy carter It's because EVERY (billions of billion) other astronomical body is round; so the probability that ONLY earth is flat, is zero! I haven't witnessed this with my own two eyes, but all the satellites that have taken billions of pictures, and every astronaut/cosmonaut and other essential people would lie about this because... what? WHY?? To uphold some goverment propaganda and/or conspiracy, just because YOU and a fraction of one percent believe so?
I'm trying really hard not to take you for a fool or a troll here, but you make it very difficult.. So try, not for me but for your own sake, TRY to pull your head out of your asshole for one second to contemplate and consider the OVERWHELMING facts and evidences that the earth is round.
That's all I have to say to you and your like-minded.
Keep it MOIST!
It's also a very scientific and mature rebuttal. He just doesn't want to think about it, so he says KYS like a 14 year old white sjw on twitter.
4:46, "do it before you reproduce". This guy understands me.
So you are ok suggesting people commit suicide because they have a different belief than you. It's pieces of dumbshit like you that need to go and top your fucking worthless existence.
When I first heard there were people who believe the earth is flat I thought they were joking.
“The greatest disorder of the mind is to allow the will to direct the belief”
-Louis Pasteur
Louis Pasteur rots in hell
@@devensgate lol bro what’s your beef with Louis Pasteur?
"The easiest person to fool is yourself" well said krauss
now Neil Degrasse Tyson says you cant see the curve from 63 miles, because now there are tourists flying with Richard Branson or Jeff Bezos to 63 miles. Really? Yes. He says that. Why would he say that. It should be clearly curved at that altitude. Very curved. But its not.
follow the debate can be hard for newcomers because they hide the videos, but channel names can still be found, Globebusters, NathanOakley, DITRH, Jeranism, Hibbeler Productions just as a start.
feynman
joe rogan only has tr44nnies on his show.
bunch of fucking liars. the end.
I feel like Democrats are the easiest people to fool.
I suppose you're also going to say that there is no Flatbread?
brigham2250 tuna flat bread= sexy time. 😁
There is no flatbread, only pizza :p
I hate flatbread
I don't believe in the flat-earthers theory, and it's been too long a time since flat-bred's touched my lips.
One thing I know for sure... Texas is flat!
Why just the other day I saw Billy Bob take out his big blue taw-marble in the gritty little town of Brownsville.
He placed it in a circle... released it...and let it find its own way.
Dontcha know that that old taw-marble rolled east to west at such a slow speed they had to get Cactus Jack to keep up with it.
As a Christian I'm a big fan of science. I know the earth is not flat, I know the dinosaurs existed, and man landed on the moon. If your an atheist I'm cool with it because I have family and friends who do not believe In the flying spaghetti monster like I do. Great video.🍝
Great post!
That is so refreshing. Thank you! I regard myself to be a humanist but I do believe in a personal God, the soul, and some kind of afterlife. However I do think that in the here and now we should put people first and nature first. They have to come before technology and artificial intelligence. All we have is this small, fragile planet for a home (shut up Elon Musk!) and the the best, most honest way to honor God is to take care of our home, acknowledge our place in, and not over, nature, be good to ourselves and to each other. ❤😊
4:35 LMAO the smile on Lawrence's face after he said that they should do it before they reproduce is priceless.
I love when actual logical people are on here and not people with political agendas that sway right and left. These conversations are the best because they’re about humanity, the conditions and irrefutable fact. The politics are so annoying. Political affiliation undermines the individual’s ability to decide on each and every single instance as a singular being. Instead they’re tethered to a group. It’s disgusting
4 years ago, but a great great comment. in my view you hit directly upon one of the biggest problems - if not THE biggest problem - facing humanity today
this is probably the most well spoken youtube comment ive ever seen
I appreciate the way he stated that in a rational manner without jumping to call flat earthers stupid as many people do
We all should listen to other perspectives before we jump to conclusions. The world would be a much better place!
His arguments weren't rational at all, although they seem to be designed to appear to be to people who don't understand science very well.
For example, his example with the shadows in the well gets the exact same results on a Flat Earth with a local sun as it does on a globe earth with a sun millions of miles away. So he's just left assuming one model over the other for no reason... a begging-the-question fallacy.
Then his comment that jumping off a balcony would prove gravity is laughably ignorant. Flat Earthers are disputing the reason WHY heavy objects fall down (theory of gravity) not that heavy objects DO fall down (law of gravitation).
We're in big trouble if even our top scientists conflate science and physics like that.
@@lightbeforethetunnel His arguments are not rational? Why are yours, if you have any?
Nah, flatearther are straight up ignorant about science people and it is ok to be ignorant, everyone is about something, the main problem is that they do not recognize they are ignorant
@@msrodrigues2000 talk about ignorance lol
I was a flat earther for 12yrs, but since the woke communists told me "You can identify as anyone you want", I started identifying as Superman ! I've since flown around the world many times and can clarify that the Earths...Round !
Joe: The two observers would only need to note the angle of the sun at local high noon, not at the exact same time. The distance between Alexandria and Syene was 575 miles, and Syene is on the tropic of Capricorn, meaning the sun is directly overhead at the summer solstice. So he measured the angle in Alexandria and did some geometry, as Krauss explained. I won't even touch flat-earth, except that explaining this experiment to a flat-earther just might work ;)
Works on a globe AND a flat earth. I've yet to find an experiment that works ONLY on a globe.
@@flatstuff1630 the towers of the Verrazzano Narrows Bridge are 1.6" farther apart at their tops than at their bases due to the curvature of the earth, despite them both being exactly perpendicular to the surface at their bases. There are plenty of other instances of similar, easily-measurable phenomena. Hell, go out on the open ocean and you can easily see vessels disappear over the horizon due to the curvature of the earth, and all you need is binoculars. They depart visibility and you can only see water from, e.g. the bridge of a ship, yet at the top of the radar mast the distant vessel is still visible. Round earth has been known for millennia and proven for centuries.
@jsquared1013 , just stop, dude. Flat Stuff is telling you the truth.
Here's the silver bullet for those who can understand it: The stars spin counterclockwise around the north star but clockwise around the southern cross. This is only explainable with a globe. The flat earth model cannot explain this. Also, the lamp-shaded sun in the flat earth model would look cut-off early and late in the day. Not a good look.
@Paul Muszynski , the globe is run off of presuppositions. Take a look into angular perspective geometry. Nothing works on a globe. Looking to the sky to identify the ground, not a good look. It's a religion no different than government/statism. It's run off of beliefs and presuppositions.
Eddie cries as he plots his vengeance.
ace3241987 tower 7!
LOL
Flat earthers exist because trolls exists.
It's mind boggling to think this discussion is even necessary.
"BEWARE OF DOGMA". Great fukn advice right there.
Blue Night Grinner there is no dogma tho
the dogma now is that the earth is spherical,he should take his own advise
I’m putting a sign at the end of my driveway “beware of dogma”
@@jeffreygrant2640 and most of the people here too. Blinded by scientific Dogma
Those conspiracy theorists again... except for when you have firm evidence there is a conspiracy
Where is Eddie when he's supposed to be here? He could've looked into it.
He ain't wrong bro look into it 😂
@@carancole5974 hahaha
Smart people will discuss this for an hour again and again instead of admitting that there will always be stupid exist.😂😂
I like how TH-cam thinks a advisory to Wikipedia will convince the flat earth people.
If it really was electromagnetic waves instead of gravity, people could wear magnets and levitate.
Joe: "There's a man in Idaho who was found dead and covered in magnets at the bottom of a ravine."
Big Magnet killed him
which is why the hover board thing from the movie Back to the Future will never be true.
*Derik Roberts* Very few FErs will posit 'magnetism' for the reason things fall down, most say that more dense objects sink through less dense mediums - all the while failing to explain why 'down', especially when 'up' would be more logical in that case.
"Soyence." -Lawrence Krauss
😂
There are two classes of flat earthers. The ones at the top that know it is b******* and are making money. And those below them who buy into it and are paying money for the books and the paraphernalia
"Walk out of the window before you reproduce!" HAHAHA Classic!!
Isn’t “Love” explained by the release of oxytocin, the reward centers in our brains, & our unconscious need to move our genes into the future?
*Matthew Coolness* Yes, yes it is.
*Kosator* You release oxytocin when seeing 'some person' because your instinct makes an assessment of their breeding potential based on their body shape and other attributes and factors.
True but some people don't have desires for children and reproduction, but still find love. Some people don't look for love and still find it... there are always going to be instances that can't be explained through science...
@@yellowbelly7863
That is absolutely explained by science.
These systems aren't foolproof, and our cognition and culture can amplify or negate them.
The ability to decide whether or not to have kids is not a disproof of the science of "love" as described by OP.
It is explained using...
...more science.
@@hhiippiittyy
like Morphic Resonance.
Tried and tested by science.
Proved to be true.
Yet, science calls it psuedo science.
Structured water. Proved also.
Same classification as above.
Some parts of science is clearly b.s.
For instance:
Macro evolution.
Not enough evidence in the fossil record.
I would say it's explained away by that for people who don't like things being unknown.. You can explain away any phenomenon if you use Darwin as a whipping boy for your poor philosophy.
I love how honest and humble Krauss is here.
Went out with a girl who got drawn into flat earth and chemtrails. 6 months in and she became a nutter.
She is way above you NPC
@@markschmidt6782 this idiot really didn't know what he had 🤣
Lawrence Krauss seems like an extraordinarily reasonable & logical fellow of excellent common sense. Very good.
Not at all. Everything he said in this indicates he's not an actual scientist, but a Scientism priest instead.
@@lightbeforethetunnel Get lost.
Step out of a 13th floor window. Test gravity. Bring the magnet. I think he wants to see it. Hell, I'd watch with him.
I'm trying to understand this flat earth ... supposedly the sun is kinda like a spotlight that goes around the flat disc. Ok i got that... but the sunset goes below the horizon .... on a flat disc?? ERROR 404 - Brain cannot compute.
Melodic me and some flat earthers were arguing bout a month back going back and forth. we had sent eachother bout 15 comments until I made the point you just stated and I never got any comments back from any of them. I guess that question was to damning to their "theory" . its funny cause every other thread on this video criticizing flat earth has loads of flat earth believers commenting back but your comment has 0 retorts. flat earthers cannot explain why the sun goes over the horizon on a flat earth or why its dark in new York and still light in Colorado.
Melodic if you stand In a long hall way with a candle, only a certajn area will be illuminated. While the other will remain dark, moving towards the dark side the lightside will slowly get dark
kordell franklin that doesnt mean anything the sun is VISUALLY going below the horizon on a flat disc. The earth is not a hallway.
Melodic as you look down in a distance the sky meets the ground due to your perspective. The sun only appears to fall under the horizon when actually it's moving away from you. So my model still works
kordell franklin It's pretty hypocritical when you says its a lack of perspective. But this whole flat earth thing simply comes from the fact that the earth appears flat at your perspective. It's the only observational "evidence" flat earthers have ever provided. But in reality you are simply lacking perspective because you need to be in Earth's orbit to see it's a sphere, because of course, the Earth is a really BIG sphere!
You can tell this podcast came directly after the Eddie Bravo one
Eddie should choke joe out for ostracizing him. Shitting on his longtime friend bc he doesn’t want talk about flat earth.
Get Eric DuBay on the show and he’ll make joe look like a fucking retard. But Joe won’t have him on bc he knows he’d get destroyed.
It's amazing how most modern scientists like Krauss have such command of the English language. We are blessed to have these people who can have the audacity to say walk out of the balcony and jump to prove your meaning of gravity. That my friend is the courage of his convictions
It's actually very concerning prominent scientists would say something so silly. It shows he's conflating the theory of gravity (reason WHY heavy objects fall down) with the law of gravitation (law of physics that heavy objects DO fall down). Its not possible to prove gravity by observing that something falls.
@@lightbeforethetunnel more specifically, science allows us to measure and predict the effects of gravity (to an incredible amount of precision), but so far still can't explain "how" it functions.
Lawrence Krauss has such an excellent way of approaching these issues. I appreciate his humility vs others who condescend over these issues (Neil deGrasse Tyson comes to mind). It's refreshing to see a scientist that legitimately sympathizes with people with ignorant tendencies.
uhhh, maybe you should watch more of their stuff. krauss is pretty well known for his biting sarcasm towards "unlightened" religious nematodes. ironically it is tyson that believes more in the more patient teaching approach.
@@JS-xu1so they are both great.
You just called me ignorant earth is flat wake up sheeple
Lawrence Krauss the guy who admitted the evidence shows that the Earth is in fact in the center and "woah, thats crazy. Is the Copernican principle coming back to haunt us?" He's so smart that every argument he made against flat earth was a strawman fallacy built upon immense intellectual ineptitude.
@@Witsit What definition of idiot does one in fact, find you?
Funniest line @ 4:41 or so jump out of 14 floor before you reproduce, Joe misses it! Lawrence, YOU KILL ME!
My question: why are conspiracy theories such a bad thing? Some of them have turned out to be true. Shouldn't we all hear them out and then try to find evidence of truth or falsehood? I have my own theories about the relationship between humans and aliens. Just from gathering seemingly unrelated knowledge from different sources and my own brain sort of put it together. Then I hear theories on the same subject from others and a lot of it matches up. Isn't it possible that people who don't know each other can come to similar conclusions on a subject and not be crazy? Yes, confirmation bias is a thing, but when you come across it unexpectedly, doesn't that prove to a limited extent, that you may be on to something? Its hard to even discuss the possibility of human/alien connection when a large portion of the general population doesn't even believe that aliens exist, but I think that is slowly changing. Our military has admitted that there are UFO's of unknown origin that appear to possess technology that is "not of this world." I think they are admitting it because they can't stop or explain away thing people have seen and experienced. OR...they are slowly preparing us for contact. My point is, aren't conspiracy theories nothing more than people asking questions? Doesn't science itself begin with theories? We have been trained, for so long, to be wary of the dreaded conspiracy theory label, and to believe it's a bad thing. People are breaking free of these mental prisons that have been imposed on us and I think it's great. Free thinkers are almost always the greatest innovators. Now, the flat earth theory has never been one I understand. I remember seeing a picture taken from a Concorde flight. It was taken out the window at cruising altitude, and you could clearly see the curvature of the earth. I was in awe of it. This, btw, was years before the flat earth theory had gained any traction. That leads me to believe that the photo was real. Plus, a lot of their reasoning for believing the earth is flat can be countered with facts we already know about this planet. Readily available photos taken from space aren't enough to convince these people? Apparently not. Each to their own I guess.
The only thing I think goes against " conspiracy theorists " is that they are usually incredibly rude if you dare try to have a sensible debate with them, you can't actually discuss anything because they just shout..SHEEP..at you etc... There is no chance of discussion. They think by shouting the same words over and over again that they are correct. They don't look at all sides of the discussion, they only read and watch item's that agree with their way of thinking. That is not a healthy way to live your life. People should look at every side, do you're own research but ay..it seems too hard work for them so they stick to their narrow thinking. They say people who do research are narrow minded, how is that so? Well that's my thoughts. Respect 🙌
Agreed. It's the fact they get belligerent and actually blatantly Iie. You see someone answer their "gotcha question" to one of them, using testable evidence, and that the FE has no response, and yet you'll see them the next day Iying that "nobody can explain x to me".
@@glenndouglas8822 Yeah, some conspiracy theory followers act like religious extremists. You might as well try to talk a hungry lion into not eating you.
People should be less interested in being right/wrong and more interested in being rational. The old saying that a broken clock is right twice is a day is true, but the correlative is that such a clock isn't very useful any other time. Conspiracy theorists are the same way. They may turn out to be right sometimes, but the vast majority of the time they are not, and the reason they're not is because they tend to arrive at their conclusions via irrationality with a gross lack of evidence and a heaping dose of ignorance. I'm fine with "hearing anyone out," but at the end of the day it's down to the evidence, and the vast majority of people are not good at rationally assessing evidence. If human brains worked like perfect Bayesian calculators we'd be much better than we are, and part of the reason science works so well is that it's designed to counteract all of the biases that human brains are afflicted with, first by boiling everything down to repeatable empirical tests; and second by having other experts in a field review it and try to figure out every way in which the experiment is flawed or doesn't support the conclusion. Your average person is nowhere near as rigorous when it comes to assessing evidence as scientists are, and people tend to be selectively skeptical or gullible depending on irrelevant things like their emotional disposition towards something (wanting to believe/disbelieve it).
To take your specific example, while I'm open to the idea that aliens probably exist somewhere in the universe I do find it extremely improbable they've been to Earth. There are too many reasons as to why, but the biggest one comes down to the size of the universe, how long humanity has been around, and how difficult space travel is. First you have to consider the probability that an alien species would be able to invent interstellar space travel at all; then you have to figure the probability that of all the countless number of planets in the universe they'd just happen to end up on ours; then, not only would they end up on ours, but they'd end up on ours within the incredibly short timeframe that we humans have been here. There's also the problem that none of this "evidence for aliens" existed until Hollywood started making films about aliens and they started becoming part of the public consciousness. There's also the problem that if they had been here I would find it very improbable that we wouldn't have definitive proof by now; not just UFOs (which are UNIDENTIFIED, meaning we don't know what they are), and not just a handful of stories from people that could be lying, exaggerating, or even high (you may think I'm joking about the latter, but people who go into nature and light fires often end up burning hallucinogenic plants on accident). I have the same issue with Bigfoot.
One last thing I'll say is that science doesn't begin with theories, science begins with hypotheses that are then rigorously tested for every possible way they could be wrong. When Einstein proposed General Relativity he proposed an eclipse experiment in which he said the light of distant stars would be displaced slightly by having to bend around the mass of the sun. That's the kind of empirical prediction that science can (must) make for their hypotheses to become theories. Conspiracy theorists never make these kind of predictions that turn out to be right.
@@jonathanhenderson9422 Thanks bro for this comment. Faith in humanity restored +1
Greek culture was an extension of Vedic culture and genetics proved it... In Vedic culture we always knew earth was geoid shaped... They also knew about the planets and the distance from earth to sun... It's all written in our ancient scriptures...
Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth in ancient times and was very close. Later Posidonius calculated it later and was off by about 6000 miles. Columbus believed Posidonius. He sailed the ocean to the west and at about the right distance, according to Posidonius, he ran into "the "Indies."
@Inkosi-Inathi Memani lol no. In a world where just watching the Sun tells you which way is east or west, how do you imagine he would've made a mistake of that magnitude, every day for weeks on end?
well, to be fair Gravity technically "does not exist" if you're going with Einstein's definition based on relativity, as opposed to the Newtonian definition whereas gravity was a force
You was ahead of your time with that comment
Newton didnt actually know what gravity was...
His formula helped Einstein nail it down.
Everyone is walking upside down right now in Australia. The ocean is sticking upside down as well. Makes a lot of sense.
You just down know what down is.
Relative to you, yes they are.
How do you know Australia is upside down? North being Up and South being Down are human creations. YOU could be the one that's upside down, buddy. How do you feel??
@@kevinskinner4986 I was being sarcastic. Nobody is upside down. And water doesn't stick and float upside down. I'm just making fun of Rogan and Krauss for believing that it does.
When I lose my keys I blame every thief that ever existed bc they are the reason I need keys at all.
Ahahaha wow never thought of it quite like that.
@@c.j.9072 By extension justice is: The one that get's caught pays for all the ones that didn't.
They have flat-earthers have a yearly convention, it's such a big event that members come from all over the globe to attend.
'Our theory is sweeping the globe!" Actual FEer quote
All two of them!
You said global
"The sun rises every day." Haha, that must prove you dumb.
Joe always has some way of saying LSD caused this event in history 😂
That was always my question to flat-earthers the question is if the Earth was flat then wouldn't we all have light at the same time and dark at the same time
This whole clip is essentially a scientist calling Eddie Bravo a fucking idiot.
The Egyptians knew Earths circumference and encoded it into their pyramid building.
Exactly. They actually knew this thousands of years before the Greeks. In fact Greeks came to study in Egypt. Everything from medicine to general knowledge of the earth etc
If I just saw a picture of this guy without hearing him talk and you asked me what he did I'd know this man loves to say the word "science"
He really does have the stereotypical scientist look
This should be the highest rated podcast. Mark my words.
“You get it wrong to some accuracy”
- science guy
That's not an incorrect statement?
Leave it to Joe to go from burning witches to LSD
We should sentence all flat earthers to space prison
Making damn sure every damn cell has a perpetual view of the globe! ;-)
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I like the idea of supergluing flattards to Space X and other rockets being launched into space.
Also should use a go pro to stream it live. Flattards love the fish eye lense excuse.
We can see their faces as their fantasy world crumbles right in front of them.
Two birds . One stone.
@@Customwinder1 I like the idea
@@vimalcurio it's a bit harsh , but it would be funny to see. 😂
“So they can call their friends n check”
They have no friends bro
“Do it before you reproduce” 😂😂😂
isn't the whole flat earth theory debunked if you simply call someone on the other side of the earth and ask them if the sun is out? You guys get me? wouldn't it be daylight everywhere if it was flat? I mean why even debate them
erick 33 they believe that the sun is only a few thousand miles away and the same size as the moon. And it moves in a circle above the flat earth.
Ken Yong what!?!?!? That's super crazy! what so it's just a slab of dirt rock and water floating in space with 2 balls circling above it?
Learn a thing or two about perception.
Evanture Priest what about the rest of space!? is that fake too?
erick 33 They have a rebuttal for that too. The sun is a small ball of light moving circular over the plane. Why it doesn't light up the whole plane? Look at a light bulb in a big dark room, it doesn't light up the whole room, just a bit of it. I don't believe flat earth I just watched so many videos on it. I'm thinking sometime in the next 20-30 years it will be either proven or debunked.
Himawari-8 satellite, 4k resolution picture every ten seconds, from 1 million miles out at the L-1 orbit.
UnKnown SoldierX minutes*
I looked it up, so fake, i wan't real earth movement with angle, that earth was not even moving at all, and where are the stars and moon? What for they have supercomputers? one reason to make 4k fake images.
Juris Cervenaks you are so stupid, it makes me sad for all humans everywhere.
@@juriscervenaks8953 your single right
@@juriscervenaks8953 dumb ass
Not a mathematician, but if the two wells were at different elevations would it affect the calculation? Was elevation considered?
Elevations is not relevant, avtually
Wouldnt you not know the circumference from this experiment if you didnt know how far the sun was? Also, if they were using sun dials, I'm confused as to how they could ascertain that they were taking their measurements at the same time (i.e. the man with the sun straight above has 12 noon on his dial a few moments ahead or after the other man).
Eratosthenes was off by a fractional margin and this is probably due to the lack of equipment you just pointed out but modern equipment has since measured it and the original measurement was near spot on.
A small local sun or a large faraway sun would both work for 2 wells, but add a third well and the small local sun doesn't work.
This guy reminds me of the dinosaur from Toy Story. Especially the little bit younger version of him we've all seen on TV programs.
this guy looks like Levi Strauss from Red Dead 2
i like this guys attitude... so much pride in human intelligence🤟
i questioned everything for the past 20 years, the earth is flat.
When is the debate between you and your math teacher if 2 + 2 = 4??
There is this very tiny thing about flat earth. YOU have to present *EVIDENCE* for YOUR claims.
When are you going to present a map of the flat earth that conforms to reality and that can be used for navigation?
When are you going to present the model of the flat earth that explains all observations?
*What is be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.*
No map, NO model, *NO FLAT EARTH.*
So you didn't question a single thing about the FE model, right? All you did was agree with points against the globe. Some "research", bro.
IT'S TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN, MAN ! ! ! !
4:47 Lmao yeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyye
The irony is that the latest theoretical physics thinking... the thinking Krauss is totally emersed in... is that the universe exists on the two-dimensional plane of an event horizon... 2 DIMENSIONAL!! THAT MEANS FLAT!! But yes, we perceive it as 3 dimensional... Krauss knows this, but he's more interested in attacking or diminishing those he thinks are his opponents
Krauss is a compromised asset. Obviously.
@midge6405 Look up Leonard Susskind... basically, the premise is we are existing two dimensionally on an event horizon
What brand glasses frames is krauss wearing?
Joe"First of all how do they communicate with this guy ,100 miles away.." Rogan, Yes Joe, no one was able to communicate with each other over long distances until they invented android cellphones.
No, uh uh. Tin cans and string came first.
@@svartvist smoke signals, fire at night, then drums .... and you got a parrrty
Yes, I love how he said we all have psychological pitfalls including the two of you. It's true, we're all flawed in some way.
"Believing in 2 mutually contradictory things." In 2021 we call this being on the left.
I always mistake this guy for the UFO guy named Dr. Steven Greer for some reason.
I thought when the Greek figured the circumference he measured from North to South, 100 miles. There would be no time difference
but wasn't time measured with sundials back then?
So... the time 100 miles away would be slightly different because of the angle of the sun.
In other words, isn't the well a sun-dial as well?