Doctor Who | The Siege of Trenzalore: The Ultimate Guide
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- The Eleventh Doctor made his last stand in possibly one of the most important eras of his entire life, faced with an impossible dilemma and no lives remaining, how did the eleventh Doctor fare during the Siege of a trenzalore?
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That video you mentioned about ranking 1's stories could be fun. Also 11's every story ever :)
@@alternatethirteenth5594 double-bill of 11? Awesome sauce :D
@@patchworkfellow4262 Always. 11 is cool!
I actually forgot I started work on that every story ever for 11, might get onto that again!
How about a big challenge…doesn’t have to be next as think will take some doing…. But I think you could rise to the challenge. Be nice to see a History of Gallifrey and how you piece together all the continuity and contradictions, not to mention the timeless child debacle.
Amazing to think that Doctor spent half his life during cutaways in a Christmas special......
Funny to think we saw probably a longer period in the doctors life in a few seconds of footage than the entirety of his life we saw in the series leading up to this!
Are we forgetting the 4 billion or so years he spent in that confession dial?
So, half his age? Please!
That last part was meant to be funny, not rude! I hate the fact that I have to clarify this but welcome to the age of not using common sense I guess :/
I hate moffats massive time jumps for the doctor and his companions.
900 years, 600 since he last saw Clara and yet in series 8 he talks to her like their time has been the same as we’ve seen on screen. 600 years of life and relationships and friendships on trenzalore just get scrubbed out or negated as the plot cant deal with such a massive amount of time. It comes with too much baggage so we just ignore it. Just like Rory’s 2000 years that didn’t affect him in any way at all
So you think why even do it in the first place 🙄
Think of this way, The 14th doctor is going to meet Donna again for the 60th. In our terms it’s been 15 years since they last saw each other. But with Moffat, his massive jumps, gaps of time, 11 on trenzalore, 12 protecting the vault it’s now what?
Over 2000 years since he’s last seen her? And from an audience perspective it’s been pretty much the same amount of time for the doctor as it’s been for us. And that’s how it’ll be treated more or less. So dumb things like ginormous time jumps just really muddy the waters
I like that to the Daleks, it looked like The Doctor had just started regenerating out of spite.
I bet they wish they went for the kill sooner!
definitely needs a full season instead of a Christmas special.
It did need a full series! I’d have loved Big Finish to do a Trenzalore series with Dudman!
I always interpreted the drawings as stories the doctor had told the children of his previous adventures, not of events that actually happened on trenzalore
That also makes sense! Probably more sense! I’ll take that as canon now!!
Crazy to think you’ve just given me some heavy nostalgia for time of the doctor. For all of Moffat’s flaws, he really knew how to write the doctor at times and - most of - time of the doctor is a great example of that
Time of the Doctor is one of the most Doctor Whoey stories of all time, it’s a true testament of his era, such fun Doctor who and you get all the best of Moffat (and I guess some of his issues but we can pretend they’re not there cause the stories GREAT)!
According to Moffat in DWM (Speaking as the Doctor). "I can change the future so long as the future hasn't been already established as part of my own past. I can't rescue Amy and Rory because I already know I didn't. But what do I know about Trenzalore? There's a big monument that looks very like my TARDIS. There's a temporal fissure leading to my timeline. Maybe it's my grave. Maybe, one day, that's still where I get buried. Maybe it's something else entirely, and we all got it wrong. Don't know. Don't plan to find out for as long as possible. The main thing is, Clara still jumped into my time stream, and still ended up helping me all through my life. All that is established, unchanged - but there's wiggle room"
Which contradicts that what happened erased what the Doctor and Clara saw
Mate, I am so glad that I have found your channel. That was one of the best videos on Doctor Who that I’ve ever seen! Well done you. That story arc was sooo complicated and your vid is the only one I’ve seen to explain it so properly and so thoroughly. I must go and watch the Trenzalor stuff again as I’ve forgotten quite a lot of it and I only watched it recently. Again, that was brilliant mate, I’m going to go and watch all your videos. Is it a bonus that you sound like a presenter on RTE?
Thanks you very much! Always makes it feel worthwhile once someone gets some enjoyment out of these, I’ve done a few other guide videos that might be up your street :) I absolutely loved this arc and while making this video I watched someone of the key stories again and my god they hold up!! As for the rte thing that’s has ahaha, one day maybe! That would be a great job!
Good work as always. Love how you’ve rationalised events. Loved the whole Trenzalore story arc. Loved the way this tied his whole tenure up. Sadly however in reality we never got a full satisfactory proper wrap of for the Silence in my opinion. Shame. Very under-utilised, some unanswered questions for sure. Their arc felt a bit rushed. In the lodger from series 5 was that or was that not a Silence ship?….
Thank you very much! Yes I think although the story arc got tied up it was done VERY quickly, as for the silence ship that’s always bugged me too, maybe the avatar guys from the lodger killed all the silence or kept forgetting them and took over the ship, probs clutching at straws there and the set was just reused… I’ll leave big finish to tie it up!
Personally I see time of the Doctor as a big mess, it had to wrap up three series together, while also being a fun Christmas special so new audiences could jump on.
It feels like the content could’ve made a whole miniseries, i think it works for the die hard fans but can imagine it being a bit mental for a casual drunk Christmas viewer…
@@DoctorWhoHome1 yeah if it was like three 25 minutes episode over the Christmas season it could have worked better
I think definitely it would’ve worked well as a mini series but I guess as a whole it’s still some nice Doctor who!
@@DoctorWhoHome1 if Matt Smith stayed on longer, series 8 would have been Trenzalore.
I honestly could see them using trenzalore again.
He can change the when but it always going to return.
I'm hoping Matt Smith reprises his role as The Eleventh Doctor In The Realm Of Big Finish
The Eleventh Doctor Had Some Seventh Doctor Vibes
100% he’s a doctor with a hidden dark streak, maybe that’s something to delve into in another video!
@@DoctorWhoHome1 Yeah He Manipulated Clara To Head To The TARDIS Taking Her Back To Earth 🌍 For Her Safety
If the question was answered ..Who knows🙂
11 content is cool..!
*Also…*
*11th Doctor Adventures 4 - Infinity*
Starring Matt Smith, featuring Leonie Elliot, Ben Lee and Nicholas Briggs
*01: The Power of Thetus Sigmata*
*By Patchwork Fellow*
_It’s a good day for Thetus Sigmata. Truly, it is._
_The work on his palace is complete, the slaves are back in check (following a surprise revolt he didn’t spot coming), and he’s checked the future, with nothing_ particularly _nasty on the horizon (safe for a slightly higher-than-average taxation, but oh well)._
_See, Thetus Sigmata has a power. When he “looks into the future”, he truly_ is _looking there. His skill exceeds the soothsayers of Rome, the Sibylline Sisters of Pompeii, even that Elijah bloke people kept talking about._
_He’s so_ very _famous, all across the Roman Empire. Truly, a man for the history-books._
_The Doctor’s never heard of him._
_But that’s because he doesn’t really_ exist.
_“Thetus Sigmata” is a trick, a hoax, a trap._
_A trap for the Doctor himself…_
*02: Doomsday on the High Street*
*By AlternateThirteenth and Patchwork Fellow*
_Chellin Inc is devouring it’s Suffolk competitors, and there’s very little a small-fry newsagent’s like John, Hirrisarion & Co. can do to stop it._
_Except, perhaps, call the Doctor._
_“John” is dead, so there’s only one person left to run the place; the smart, cool-headed and_ definitely human _James Hirrisarion (or just Hirrisarion to his friends). He’s got some information regarding the business, and how the shadowy Head Office is pulling in customers so ruthlessly quick._
_When the Doctor (finally) shows up and infiltrate the business by getting jobs inside, the pair have a lot to deal with. But exhaustive labour, callously long work-hours and rude co-workers are the least they have to deal with. Because the fearsome CEO, Mr Chellin himself, wants to see them._
_And the term “big business gobbling up everything else” might get more literal._
*03: The Infinity People*
*By Patchwork Fellow*
_The Doctor’s seeing doubles, and he isn’t liking it._
_Twice, he’s met the same people. Twice, they’ve all died._
_Twice, the only one he feels like he recognises was the villain._
_Now, he’s had enough._
_Temporal trails from both sites lead to the same place, but when he follows it to it’s centre, he finds something strange; a ship from another universe, with a mere 5 people aboard. A ship… captained by Hirrisarion, an old frenemy._
_But Hirrisarion’s snark is not the threat today. Oh, no. The danger on the Doctor’s list today is himself. A himself from another universe, intent on genocide - and_ evil.
_And the Infinity People, all lying in helpless stasis around him, are his targets._
_But are they truly so helpless?_
*Cast:*
The Doctor - Matt Smith
Helen / Jemestia / Kaila - Leonie Elliot
Hirrisarion - Ben Lee
Lee / Captain Princepi / Krastus - Clive Wood
Jeremy / Engin / Chelell - Denis Lawson
Jennifer / Assassin / FK-41 - Stacy Liu
The Bad Doctor / Thetus Sigmata / Lord Chellin - Nicholas Briggs
Excellent! I will never say no to some good ol' 11! Now, who's that probably very annoying chap co-writing episode 2 with you? They seem familiar...
That sounds good! Also I just thought of the best idea for an audio series: Splinters. Three volumes, four stories each, each story following one of Scaroth's splinters.
@@alternatethirteenth5594 :D
@@Dimension5Productions ooh! And (hallelujah) Julian Glover, the actor behind Scaroth, _appears_ to (somehow) still be alive :D
@@Dimension5Productions Oooo that's good. I had a similar idea for Clara meeting all the Doctors while splintered throughout time
Hey, sorry to be that guy but I can't believe nobody said it yet ahah, there's a typo in your thumbnail x)
Oh my god!!!! How have I never noticed that 🙌🙌 well, that’s a typo for the ages! I’d better fix that today lol thank you!
11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tbh his time on Trenzalore is very interesting and it's so sad to slowly lose him throughout the stories chronicling his time
And now:
*The Eleventh Doctor Adventures: Volume 6*
*6.1: Lost Souls*
Everyday Zoe sits on the dock, looking away from the ocean. Her thoughts are full of remembrance and sadness of all she has lost. Tears rain and voices call to her from across the water, tormenting her. And Zoe can’t stand it much longer. But just as she thinks about giving in, a man comes along wanting to help fix all her problems. But not even the Doctor can help Zoe. Not anymore.
Starring Matt Smith, Lauren Cornelius and Gabriel Woolf
*6.2: The Evening Atmosphere*
There’s a town where no-one experiences the day or the night. The population solely wakes up for the evening and the feeling it brings.
When the TARDIS arrives, the Doctor is pulled into a mysterious routine and must uncover the secrets of the evening mood before he to succumbs to the tainted atmosphere…
Starring Matt Smith, Misha Malcolm, Angus Imrie and Nicholas Briggs
*6.3: The Entrapment of Memory*
The TARDIS arrives on a broken world, abandoned with no sign of active life. With the life of the time machine sucked away upon landing, the Doctor sets off to find a new power source.
But fairly soon he meets one solitary woman, running for her life screaming about the dead and her past. And then the Doctor learns what she means. Confronted by echoes of his past losses and sins he must overcome his demons to save not just himself but an innocent.
Starring Matt Smith, Helen Goldwyn, Matthew Waterhouse, Ajiaz Awad and Carole Ann Ford
*6.4: The Forgotten World*
Hoping to enjoy a book festival in England, the Doctor is instead diverted to an isolated moon colony orbiting a forgotten planet and finds a group of scientists scarred by shadows that stalk them at night.
Soon the Doctor finds himself facing up to the shadows while the scientists are hunted and picked off one by one. The world outside wasn’t remembered and its shadows aren’t pleased…
Starring Matt Smith, Clare Corbett, Deborah Grant, Matthew Gooding and Sean Biggerstaff
Cast:
The Doctor- Matt Smith
Zoe Sollow- Lauren Cornelius
The Torment- Gabriel Woolf
Rachel Bolka- Misha Malcolm
Adrian Ians- Angus Imrie
Selitol- Nicholas Briggs
Lucy Corey- Helen Goldwyn
Adric (Echo): Matthew Waterhouse
Katarina (Echo): Ajiaz Awad
Susan (Echo): Carole Ann Ford
Bethan Krillps- Clare Corbett
Elizabeth Heavystone- Deborah Grant
David Harper- Matthew Gooding
The Shadows- Sean Biggerstaff
I was in a very sad and depressed mood writing this set, you may be able to tell yet I'm quite proud of it
Honestly this set sounds so depressing but I physically _couldn’t love it more_ :D fantastic as always!
@@patchworkfellow4262 :D I mean, the cover for Lost Souls gives off "This is not a happy episode" vibes
I just love the idea of having Gabriel Wolf playing another big ominous sounding character, also ADRICCCCCCCCCC
Also hope you’re feeling better now, hopefully this pitch helped, fantastic ideas!
@@DoctorWhoHome1 Thank you! And yea, Woolf is a go-to for ominous voices like these
I just don't see the timeless child as canon.
lets just ignore anything with Jodies doctor