Doctor Who | The Doctor's Darkest Moments of All Time
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- The Doctor has done a lot of good, but what about the times when he wasn’t up to scratch? Join me as I look into some of the darkest things done by the Doctor during their long life!
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What do you think is the Doctor’s darkest moment....
Honestly? 7 has done some awful shit but 11 in Time Fraud is COLD!
When he ley Ace’s bf die
That sure is a crippling and dark moment... seven really didn’t read the room there...
@@DoctorWhoHome1 Tbf that was a VNA adaptation and in those 7 just goes f*** all
When he manipulated Clara to head to the TARDIS to send back to earth 🌎
The seventh doctor was so cunning that he was even able to engineer his own death and INFLUENCE THE ACTIONS OF HIS NEXT REGENERATION (the eighth doctor)
basically the entirety of the 90s movie was planned by him
That’s the scary thing about seven, and I kind of wish we dug into that a bit more recently
I'll always appreciate more light being shone on the 7th Doctor. TV examples ~ tricks Davros into near-genocide, and celebrates by talking a Supreme Dalek into suicide before playing with its exploded ashes. Reminds a villain of their defeat so hard that they melt their own face off, then convinces another antagonist to kill themselves along with main antagonist via chemical weapons. And that's before we discuss what he does to Ace and his friends, or branch off into external media. If you want to hear 7th in Dark Mode, search for "Seventh Doctor is Scary AF".
You’re right, you do not mess with Seven!!!
So in other words, Seven was a terrible person and had it coming when he was shot in The 1996 TV Movie.
@@rogersstinson4019You learn he actually planned his own death.
4 and 9 couldn't do it, but 7 did *not* hesitate.
@@firetarrasque4667as someone who only knew love despite the hate they received, I relate...
The Doctor Who Series reminds me of myself simply because I always feel like I have a duty to fulfill and I have lost alot in my life, to include my entire childhood... And despite the pain I experienced, I never hated my abusers or manipulative family or even my bullies. I chose to give back to people even if it's holding the door for someone or paying for someone's groceries if I have enough to do so. Only I know of my good deeds and sometimes I forget I don't deserve everything and being kind towards people is solely my own sacrifice and I decided to be kind. Which is why Doctor who hits close to home because I would do the same if I had the ability to be the Doctor...
SPOLIERS FOR 'MASTER'
One of the darkest (I think) and one that didn't sit right with me for ages, but now I really like, is that the Doctor, as a child, killed Torvik. Torvik was a timelord bully who tried to drown the Master, and so the doctor bashed his brains in.
In hindsight, I like to see the moment in Unearthly Child when the doctor nearly does this again with the caveman, as a moment of him truly changing into the doctor we know and love.
And with that you’ve just inspired me to research for another Dark Doctor moments video!
Medicinal Purposes, Big Finish 6th Doctor audio. With David Tennant as Daft Jamie... what 6 done... so, so cold
You’re right that is a very cold end for an audio, might add that to a list for a potential sixth Doctor section!
Great vid :) One of the most brutal scenes was the family’s punishment by the 10th Doctor at the end of The Family of Blood. Their imprisonment in context of the story, was arguably a fate worse than death. Totally agree about the 7th Doctor.
Oh god that’s downright the most cruel thing he did! Next video on this topic that I make I’ll be sure to cover that.... ten has a nasty streak!
@@DoctorWhoHome1 I always though after 7, 10 was the darkest Doctor
@@alternatethirteenth5594 I would argue the War Doctor would've been the darkest side of him. The Warrior who fought in the Time War.
In terms of murder you can't miss the Third Doctor's unecessary and casual shooting of an Ogron outside Alderly House in Day of the Daleks
I’m acc surprised 3 doesn’t have more casual murders given the amount of scraps he is in!
Tbf, that wasn't always what happened...
Coming back to this after having heard Afterlife and holy shit that audio has the most 'don't fuck with me you insignificant creature' moment ever
I am a complex space-time event. I am Lord President of Gallifrey. The Traveller from beyond time. I am the Sandman, the Oncoming Storm. I am Ka-faraq Gatri, Detroyer of Worlds. And sometimes, only sometimes... I - AM - YOUR - WORST - NIGHTMARE. I am the Doctor... and I take care of my friends.
Vervoids raise an interesting, partially relevant moral question: they were artificially created in one place, in a fairly small number. Did they even have anything like a viable breeding population-- in other words, would they have been doomed to die out no matter what happened?
And in that case, is the Doctor more morally justified to end them all in order to save people who do have a hope of continuing, than he would have been otherwise?
...I don't think I have an answer for that.
Do you?
I’d have to reread the section of the eighth doctors where 6 talks about his decision, he is adamant that they were artificial so that they didn’t stand a chance regardless but it is a grey area when you don’t know what could have been!
The Doctor does not murder either of the Varosian guards in Vengeance on Varos. One falls in by accident when he first wakes up and startles them. The other guard gets pulled in by the first. Throughout the struggle, the Doctor is just trying to defend himself.
I did understand this, I won’t lie I was bulking out that section and just thought it’d fit but probably wasn’t intentional, guess it’s more the comment he makes that’s dark!
@@DoctorWhoHome1 Appreciate the honesty, at least. But this is one of my pet peeves. If you think the comment is a bit cold, that's fine. I guess it is. Truthfully, the Doctor has said darker things. But I do hate how people say he murdered those guards when it's clear that he didn't.
@@robtymec2045 very fair point! In hindsight I do think it sticks out wrongly in that section and when I edited it in it did feel funny and I’m surprised nobody pointed it out yet to be honest! Maybe in the future I can make a video about misconceptions and do sixie some justice!! Thanks for watching though :)
@@DoctorWhoHome1 I would greatly enjoy something like that. I am one of those fans that really enjoyed late 80s Who and see so many comments made about the era that are grossly inaccurate. It's an era of Who that became popular to dislike and people oftentimes skew the facts to suit their opinions (something the Doctor specifically lectured against in Face of Evil!).
Well I can assure you for now I do love myself some season 22! Definitely can’t fault late 80s whob
The doctor killed a lot more than just the ones mentioned here. In the Hand of Fear the 4th Doctor tripped Eldrad causing him to fall to his death( although self defense), In Arc of Infinity the 5th Doctor shoots Omega sending him into nothingness presumably, although in defense of the universe.
I’m sure I barely scratched the surface with that list! Some good mentions there, there’s definitely a lot of “Doctor not stopping” killings, especially In classic who!
"Do I have an entry" "Every being does" "Look up heading: The Doctor under......cause of death"
Oooh what’s that from it rings a bell!
@@DoctorWhoHome1 Extremis. It's when we find out about Missy
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Ahh yes I remember now, I couldn’t picture which Doctor was saying it!
@@DoctorWhoHome1 I love the delivery by Capaldi
in state of decay there was a timelord order (data print out) and in remembrance he did warn Davros. The was the murder/ self defence in The Ribos operation. (for obvious reasons i do not watch key to time alot linked series) and Peter Davison refusing to save the master in Planet Of Fire
I think I barely scratched the surface on that topic so there might well have been murder/attempted murder I missed! What a fun topic…
This is the best video on the topic
Thank you very much that’s very kind!! I’ll have to revisit this idea some time!
Omg i never realised how dark 7 was
Oh yes.:. Man has done some bad things lol
During 7's TV run, he spent most of his time talking villains to death - often by facilitating suicide, or getting them to kill each other so he could keep his own hands clean. He blew up Skaro without remorse - mocking Davros while doing so - and then celebrated by causing a Supreme Dalek to self-destruct. That's before we get into the manipulative meat involving Ace. It is obvious that he's trying to teach her, but other times, he forced her to face her fears against her will (despite her previous protests), to the point of screaming at him in Curse of Fenric, and eventually leaving him (or being killed) in other timelines.
That's not even close to what he got up to in the novels, comics, or audios. If you want a taste of the 7th Doctor in "Dark Mode", search for "7th Doctor is Scary AF" and listen to his Afterlife speech, where he reminds a dying villain of why they should be pooping their pants rather than asking him for mercy.
The Doctor did not murder the acid bath guards.
Yeh I was chatting to another person about that and I would agree in hindsight it was silly putting it in, can’t lie it was just me trying to bulk up the section with some controversial Doctor moments but I think it would’ve been better suited in ajother section which I might do a whole other video on! But I agree with you!
Just a quick spoiler warning for some books, audios and comics. I don’t go too heavy on details but some minor and slightly major plotpoints are discussed! At the same time though I feel they’re generally well known ones!
Why does the 7th doctor sound like Rick Sanchez but more fucked up
7 kills loved ones as part of his plan to stop the villain
Rick kills without care
I believe one of the doctors of the revival era did mention the seventh doctor.
10th Doctor to Wilf: "I've taken lives, but I got worse, I got clever - manipulated people into taking their own". Flashback to the 7th Doctor talking multiple villains into committing suicide, or getting them to kill each other so that he can keep his own hands clean.
RIP Shockeye. Good night, sweet prince
Alas poor shockeye I knew him well!
If we count the Unbound audios (the What Ifs of Doctor Who produced in the early 2000s):
The Doctor who thinks killing is nessecary and coldly shoots the scientist Lee in Full Fathom Five:
Doctor: You said something about the ends justifying the means. [...] If I shoot you now to stop all this going any further, would that be justified? Would. That. Be. Justifiieed???
Lee: No! No!
Doctor: Wrong. Answer! (BANG)
The Valeyard messing up his own timeline in He Jests at Scars, especially the results at the end of the story.
Doctor of War 2: Destiny has very dark endings in each story.
If I ever did a second one of these the aUnbound Doctors would have to be explored cause they’re definitely a diversion!
5 is not exactly innocent either. In Resurrection of the Daleks he attempts to kill Davros in cold blood. He doesn't only because Davros gives a speech to him similar to 7's to that sniper in The Happiness Patrol. I think it is the REAL reason why Tegan left, he was becoming someone she didn't recognise anymore & it scared her. It not "being fun anymore" was a load of crap.
He watched as The Master died (well as much as The Master can die since he's like bad smell you can't get rid of) in a fire in Planet of Fire & did not make a single move to save him, even though The Master was begging for his help. In the same episode he taunts Kamelion, shouting "Servile! Slave!" & ultimately executes him with The Master's tissue compression eliminator in what he considers an act of mercy.
In The Caves of Androzani he is willing to crash a spaceship with himself & the crew onboard in an effort to save Peri, whom he's only just taken on as a companion & thus isn't that close with yet.
In Frontios he bullshitted the Tractators into going into hibernation to stop them & restore the TARDIS which was buried under ground & had become part of the planet. Although, that was a fairly benevolent act in comparison to others, he still lied to & tricked them.
5 actually seemed to go on a downward spiral during his time. Up until after Warriors of the Deep (in which he tried to save everyone, human & Silurian alike, but fails as only about two people besides himself & his companions survive & feels tremendous guilt over, especially as he felt he'd failed the Silurians for a second time) he has a lot of compassion for his enemies & usually tries to reason with them, save them or incapacitate them using non-lethal means. But it seems in Resurrection of the Daleks he snaps. Maybe he was tired of all the murders committed by his enemies by that point & sought to end them before they could end others? 5's time seemed to have a LOT of deaths after all.
You need to watch again Resurrection of the Daleks, Tengan barely had time with the Fifth Doctor.
Was the eleventh doctor the Seventh Doctor of the revival era of doctor who
I don’t think we’ll ever get another Doctor quite like seven again! He seems very unique
None of them have come close to the 7th Doctor in terms of darkness, and that's not a swipe at Modern Who. At the end of the day, the Doctor is the Doctor, and they each have their dark moments, but 7 is the one who constantly stands right on the edge of it, ready to bury antagonists without remorse or mercy. If the War Doctor didn't exist, 7 would be the next-best candidate for the Time War. He's the one you can trust to get a specific result no matter the cost. His friends and allies are pieces on his chess board, and the opposing team often gets talked into suicide, genocide, or killing other antagonists for him.
That's before we discuss the constant manipulation, or his nasty deeds in external media once you've seen his TV run.
The doctor being dark? The doctor was dark so much in the classic series so has the actual show
Exactly, there’s so much to unpack! A part 2 of this some day has to be made
And then there's the 7th Doctor.....
In Omega the Big Finish story the fifth doctor admits to commiting genocide of a species he never knew existed by accident
It's weird how war is seen as more darker than seven
Mega whoops on fives half!!! And yeh i think we really need to see more of the darker moments of the war Doctor to justify it! Thanks for watching :)
You know the Seventh is "bad" when the fanbase debates even today whether a numbered Doctor is possibly dark-ER than the one with literal WAR in his name/designation.
How did the continental 7th took part in the death of the 6th?
Right so, if we're looking at dark moments... Well it's no surprise 7 had a section, nor 6 was 3 in a row on murder.
But I have to say, 13 showing Shelley's brother (I've... forgotten his name. Huh) his death is dark
So is Warriors of the Deep tbh
His blatant disregard for what happens to C'rizz (SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Family of Blood
One kidnapping Ian and Barbara and only taking Dodo because he reminded her of Susan
11 has quite a lot in all mediums, and the Solomon thing has NEVER sat right with me. Ever!
But I'd say the worst ever is the ending to Time Fraud where 11 regresses the villain into a child and then sends them back in time to Children Of Earth to be one of the 12 children...
Also...
*The Eleventh Doctor Adventures: Volume 3: Vanishing Mysteries*
Three brand new adventures for the Doctor and Clara solving mysteries from across time…
*3.1: The Vanishing City*
Arriving on a world haunted by a legend of a ghostly city, the Doctor and Clara soon find that the legend is very real. But upon their investigations into what is causing the apparitions of the city, they stumble across a secret that could destroy everything…
Starring Matt Smith, Jenna Coleman, Clare Corbett, Dan Starkey and Beth Chalmers
*3.2: Belief of the Icera*
Many Arctic expeditions have gone missing over the centuries, so when the Doctor and Clara accidentally stumble upon Captain Scott’s fabled expedition, they want to know what happened.
And when mysterious energy shields over the area, men freezing into popsicles and creatures made of ice are at large, there’s a good chance they’ll discover just why the trek went missing…
Starring Matt Smith, Jenna Coleman, Alan Cox, Joe Sims, Robert Whitelock and Zoe Thorne as the Icera
*3.3: Croatoan*
When the TARDIS arrives in an old colony, the Doctor and Clara are hoping for a good time. However, they soon discover they have arrived in the old Roanoke colony, soon to vanish without a trace.
The Doctor wants to know what happens, so leaves Clara in the colony with a tracking device to follow her when the colonists vanish but when they do disappear, there is no trace. Can the Doctor get Clara back? Will the colonists be saved? And what did exactly happen in Roanoke?
Starring Matt Smith, Jenna Coleman, Gemma Whelan, Nicholas Day and Olivia Poulet
*3.4: The Mists of Bermuda*
When the TARDIS is swept up in a storm within the vortex, the Doctor and Clara are transported through a misty tunnel to a mysterious lost ship. Upon learning they are in the Bermuda Triangle, the Doctor is anxious, having almost lost Clara last time they investigated something like this.
But Clara is the least of his worries as soon a combination of mist people, ghost ships and possessed crew members threaten to lose them to the Triangle also…
Starring Matt Smith, Jenna Coleman, John Banks, Helen Goldwyn, Tracy Wiles and Barnaby Edwards
Cast:
The Doctor- Matt Smith
Clara Oswald- Jenna Coleman
Louisa Clarman- Clare Corbett
Frantale- Dan Starkey
Lara Sell- Beth Chalmers
Captain Scott- Alan Cox
Barry Dern- Joe Sims
Derek Faulay- Robert Whitelock
The Icera- Zoe Thorne
Jemima Lorgate- Gemma Whelan
Matthew Richards- Nicholas Day
Mary Thatch- Olivia Poulet
Reginald Sanday- John Banks
Peggy Vit- Helen Goldwyn
Nicole Moreson- Tracy Wiles
Garjinal- Barnaby Edwards
I was honestly shocked I couldn't find a Bermuda Triangle story in any medium (Like Marie Curie) and the Croatoan mystery is my favourite Historical mystery of all time. And I don't give an answer. The closest you get is them chanting 'He is coming' when Clara is left, but they vanish completely and the Doctor can't find them. It's like they no longer exist. So he loses Clara. Properly loses her. So he goes back in time and saves her because he can't lose another version of her and it's why he's iffy in 3.4
Wow! So, in “Croatoan”, the Doctor essentially _loses?! Double_ wow!
@@patchworkfellow4262 Basically. He tries to discover the mystery but in doing so loses his best friend and it shakes him. Especially with this being set during 7B and The Impossible Girl storyline
@@alternatethirteenth5594 cool!
Yesss more Clara 11 content! A great pairing that we don’t have enough of!! Great stories :)
@@DoctorWhoHome1 Thank you. I had some ideas to do with historical mysteries and kinda went Ah well let's make it a set! Also, this and my two prior 11 sets had only 3 stories originally, so while episode 4 was added on the others, I here had Croatoan, The Mists of Bermuda and The Vanishing City (To do a future one) and then added in one of those Antarctic expeditions while I was at it. (I have 8 11th Doctor sets written out help!)
I love it when the doctor is dark and cold he shouldn't be an out and out good guy it was amazing when 10 and 11 went dark not to say they were bad or anything. I would love for there to be a future incarnation of the doctor who isn't hesitant to kill an entire race for the greater good without even giving them a warning or a chance to change. My favorite is 12 and then 1 because they're not heros. They both devolp throughout their series but there should be a doctor who has no morality who is so detached from humanity who tows the line of being a villain ever so dangerously bit it ends up working and him being proven right in his ways so you don't condone it but it works so you can't say stop
I think it’s always an interesting dynamic to see the Doctor with some darker moments but at the end of the day so long as his actions still have heroic intentions and should they be dark he bears the consequences then I’m happy! I wouldn’t want the Doctor going around shooting people tho!! Thank for watching :)
9's episode "Dalek" was also a spectacular highlight of this kind of dark dynamic the Doctor can have. When he explicitly said to the Dalek "kill yourself", I was quite shocked.
Moffat undoing the Doctor's act of genocide on the Time Lords and Daleks (not really the latter) is still one of the worst decisions he ever made.
Not poo-pooing your opinion, but why do you think that?
I respect your opinion but I think that killing of the Time Lords in the first place is one of the worst ideas the show ever made.
I do like the survivors guilt that RTD brought into things and personally think getting rid of the time lord got rid of lots of heavy continuity and answers the question of “why haven’t we heard from those guys in a. While”! I think it’s a shame to undo it but at the same time I think it was a neat way of doing it and at least 9-11 still carry the guilt until day of the Doctor! Thanks for watching!
I don't think so personally as it was done in a way which didn't tamper with the trauma that had come before and allowed a new avenue of exploration
@@patchworkfellow4262 I just think it was a lazy way to bring them back. I always knew they would return but I just think saying "Nah, he didn't do it. They're fine" was such an uncreative way of bringing them back, especially for Moffat. His reasoning for why he did so also just rubs me the wrong way. I don't have the full quote but Moffat basically said that the Doctor wouldn't destroy Gallifrey and that he always finds another way. I think he completely missed the point of the destruction of Gallifrey and the Time War as a whole. He had no other choice, it showcased that the Doctor couldn't always win and that to save the universe he had to make the ultimate sacrifice. Undoing that by just not having him magically discover a way out takes away a lot of the emotional and dramatic weight from a lot of the RTD era for me. I don't care if 9 and 10 don't know they didn't do it, I do.
I'm hoping fenric returns for doctor who's 60th Anniversary
You never know! He’s due a return !
No him, but a Toymaker.
... And _this_ is from the DOCTOR, a man/woman sworn to protecting people and GOOD THINGS. I thank my lucky stars that the show’s a PG/12-rated show, or the Master would be quite possibly the most terrifying person in all sci-fi 😂
*Also...*
*3rd Doctor Adventures Vol. 9*
_Unseen adventures from the 3rd Doctor’s era._
Starring Tim Treloar, Katy Manning, Jon Culshaw and Richard Franklin, featuring Mitzi McKenzie
*01: The Morloxian Terror*
_Landing on Karfel, the Doctor Jo and Mike Yates hunt for peace, quiet, and a lot of schnapps - however, all they’re going to get is trouble._
_Finding themselves locked within Karfel City and quickly befriending the genius scientist Megelon, the trio quickly discover all is not bright and shiny within the metropolis. _People are going missing, and the lower levels haven’t been entered for nearly a decade._
_What has happened to drive the native Morlox into a frenzy? Who is Thraxi, and why is she stalking the pair? And what is the origin of the fleet of ships entering Karfelon space, and what do they want..?_
Starring Tim Treloar, Katy Manning and Richard Franklin, featuring Tim Vine and Tracy Louise Ward, with Martin Gower as the Bandrils
*02: The Blood Code*
_It’s been five days since Jo left to be with her newfound love, 5 days since the Llanfairfach Incident - five very_ tense _days._
_Luckily, the Doctor and the Brigadier both have things to do. The Doctor has been visited by an old acquaintance from the Wholemeal Community to do some research on blood - but for some reason she needs his blood. And, she’s aged about 40 years in under a week._
_Whilst the Doctor attempts to unravel the mystery of the strangely-acting Nancy Carter, however, the Brigadier has his own problem. An angry, ingenious problem._
_Her name is Kate..._
Starring Tim Treloar and Jon Culshaw, featuring Mitzi McKenzie and Daisy Bevan
*Cast:*
The Doctor - Tim Treloar
Jo Grant - Katy Manning
Brigadier Alastair Lethbridge-Stewart - Jon Culshaw
Mike Yates - Richard Franklin
Megelon - Tim Vine
Nancy Carter - Mitzi McKenzie
Kate Lethbridge-Stewart - Daisy Bevan
Bandrils - Martin Gower
Thraxi - Tracy Louise Ward
Blood Creature - Tim Bentinck
(I wasn’t entirely sure when “The Morloxian Terror” would be set, but they did go on Time Lord-free trips in the TARDIS at some point)
Ah excellent, Pertwee love! Excellent stuff. Tho btw if The Morloxian Terror is meant to be the adventure seen in Timelash, Yates was with them on that occasion...
@@alternatethirteenth5594 oh, really? Huh... hold on
Fixed!
@@patchworkfellow4262 :) Yea it's mentioned in Timelash that he was there with Jo and a young man who was later revealed to be Yates
@@alternatethirteenth5594 right! I haven’t watched that episode for a while, so I guess that detail slipped my mind 😅 also, did you recognise any _other_ names (cast or characters) that you recognise?
Your definition of murder is overly broad . Especially regarding Pompeii and the acid bath .
Wel for a start I’m going to own up and say acid bath guys shouldn’t be there which I’ve been chatting to another commenter about , as for Pompeii I was more putting it there to say that he wa the cause of all those deaths so maybe not murder. But still a very dark and sad moment for them! Thanks for watching :)
Pompeii was a fixed point in time. One city or potentially the entire human species at risk. Donna acknowledged the choice the Doctor was forced to make.
Not "dark", though, because the Doctor saved Caecilius and his family.
@@Neil070 I know it’s a fixed point and had to be done but I just included it cause I would say it’s something that keeps the Doctor up at night and certainly wasn’t the easiest thing for him to do! Thanks for watching!
I don't know about anyone else, but i've got my volume up to FULL & i can hardly hear him.
Sorry to hear that, it was alright on my phone I thought but if others had this issue I’d be interested!
I can hear him just fine, you should get an earphone or change your phone.
@@jojohairee9987 an earphone may help, thanks & i was listening on my laptop(which does this, even with other things looked at.)