To help you all navigate the Doctor’s family tree, here are some time stamps! 01:00 - Mentioned Family 02:50 - Susan Foreman 03:33 - Jenny 04:21 - Tecteun 05:39 - The Doctor’s Marriages (TV) 07:37 - River Song 08:45 - Meta-Crisis Doctor 09:51 - Tyler/Noble Families 10:28 - John & Gillian 11:39 - Miranda Dawkins 12:06 - The Doctor’s Marriages (Transmedia) 13:02 - Susan (Transmedia) 14:10 - “Let’s talk about Lungbarrow” 17:22 - Mia 17:54 - Irving Braxiatel 18:57 - Uyleses 20:22 - What happened to them?
@TBowenMedia that's not the same doctor in yourthumbnail. That's a descendant of the timeless child. 2 totally different characters in different universe's. The new lore in the Jodie Whittaker established that. Now we just saw a season (#'rd 1) air. It's not a continuation. It's a different story. I really hoped and was rooting for Jodie's turn at the helm to be a good one besides fingers I had everything crossed, hoping for it. They added a family again and it was to busy to care about anybody who was part of the new companion family, plus it was just a bit lame. Nothing was new. No new villains. The doctor was written in a fevered spasm of a 14 yr old. But the retcons to the lore and origin was absolutely mind bottling. As in it felt like someone jammed a bottle inro ur head and twisted. Why was that necessary. You have a devoted multi generational fan base that researchers it like it was a scripture that have zero issues with race sexual orientation religion or more likely lack there of. Rewrite it and blankly label the fans as the things the doctor taught us to stand against. They're 2 different shows. I'm sorry but I'm not gonna recognize a sloppy copy and paste. Especially when it recognizes itself as season 1. The cast even refers to it that way. They even discounted Jodie's run? Come on now. I wish no one any hate or ill will, harsh feelings. Unfortunately the Doctor Who we knew and loved ended a few years back. This ain't it.
The doctor being a father that’s lost his children is one of my favorite parts of his character. I don’t need it to be brought up that often, but I love when it is
To this day I still find it so bizarre the Master of all people somehow managed to commit Time Lord genocide off screen. Like how did he manage to do what the Daleks couldn't even do in a Time War.
That Master that genocides the Time Lord's could've been the Toymaker. The Master was put in the Toymaker's tooth, and the Toymaker made a jigsaw of the Doctor's history
fun fact: in the original Doctors first Christmas special it was going to be revealed that the first doctor was the ex-husband of Cinderella's fairy godmother.
I’m grateful someone else had to deal with scrabbling through the extended Doctor Who Universe. I had to do it for my fan-made stories I’m writing and…I almost had to tear my hair out. I absolutely love writing the grim with the joyful in Doctor Who. Maybe I’ll take a crack at it on television one day.
You also forgot to add that Amy is the Doctor's mother-in-law *twice* since either in Dinosaurs (or Power of Three, I can't remember where the scene occurs!) she married Henry VIII because "someone was talking and I said yes", making her Elizabeth I's stepmother... and the Doctor's stepmother-in-law.
It's "Power of Three", I remember because Cubes. Good point, perfectly ridiculous gag, dunno if Henry ever would've considered it valid if he knew she was married and not about to divorce Rory.
1st Doctor marrying an Aztec lady erasure! Lovely video, and a great sum-up of the Doc's family, perfect to share with friends who like the show, but don't feel like listening to Big Finish (the fools, they're missing out!)
I wonder if the Christmas special will contain the Susan reunion. In his conversation about Susan with Kate, the doctor is told "you bring joy" and the Christmas special is called "Joy to the world"
Yeah, the master could have been another adoptive kid who was also mind wiped and reset, they got separated but found each other again at the academy, which wouldn't have happened if he'd been sent to the army like that man wanted "he'll never be a timelord"
@music2012pink Missy said they were friends way back to when the Doctor was a little girl. The boy who tried to take the Doctor's toy before the Doctor fell off cliff. The 2 of them probably served in The Division, mind wiped, then Timelord Academy
One of the issues I have with this series is how contradictory it was about the Doctor being a parent - in Boom (written by Moffat who clearly understands the history), the Doctor blatantly states he's a father yet by the finale, he pretty much tells Kate he has a granddaughter but no children yet - something that makes even less sense because it's his own POV & how Russell has previously acknowledged the Doctor knew his children
@@Uniquely_David I think either this series is suggesting he met Susan before having children due to time travel or it’s just the Doctor deliberately dodging the question.
@@TBowenMedia I do see him not mentioning his family as a way of protecting them, Russell constantly bringing Susan up this series, it seems inevitable it'll be paid off in some way either by cameo or meeting - he like ripping off movies so I wonder if there'll be a scene similar to what's at the end of The Dark Knight Rises where they just acknowledge each other without drawing attention to it
Even in the Devil's Chord (written by RTD) stated that the Doctor had kids before and will also have them in the future as well but in the LoRS he says he's never been a father before it doesn't make any sense unless this is part of a future story
I really found the whole idea introduced this year that the Doctor potentially has not yet had children really strange and silly and a bit infuriating.
The doctor doesn't know if one time he travelled in time might of unwritten the history of his kids and grandkids that's why he needs to think hard about them cause he's needing to thinking past an almost time repessed memory
Another question . . . Now that the Doctor has 'Bought Death to Death' by destroying Sutekh in the Time Vortex and basically restored Life to all parts of his timeline and the universe, has he undone the after effects of The Flux? Has it restored life to everyone and everything that died since Sutekh latched onto the TARDIS . . . Or will it more likely be written as "No, only everything that died due to the effects of the multiple Susan Triads' 'Death Dust' at the time"?
Some of the storys have The Doctor takeing Susan away at the beginning to save her from an arranged marriage to the then president of the timelords, but Brax saved them by assassinating the president. Because he received blind orders to kill The Doctor and prevent Susan from getting away. Well Brax was not going to kill his brother.
Iirc this was implied in the Big Finish Gallifrey series, but also as Brax was the one who told that story, and he's not known to be completely honest, it's fittingly vague as to how true it is
I do think its more poignant if the Doctor never brings up his family simply because its too painful to remember them. I've been in situations where I've wanted to run away from home and never look back but knew if I did so I would never forgive myself because my family NEED me. I can only imagine what that would feel like for a grandfather, someone who is supposed to be there for his children and grand-children who instead ran away and never looked back. Perhaps the Doctor was never really meant to be a father or grandfather. Due to Gallifrey's strict social order, perhaps he was coerced into it, because it was expected of an educated Timelord to have a wife and kids and a house and all that. He simply wasn't built to be a family man and eventually that realisation ate at him until he had to leave. He honestly believed he wasn't good enough to be the person they needed him to be. It was only after leaving Susan, meeting new people and losing them that he realised what having a family and caring about people actually meant. It's more tragic if by the time he realised he could be a good father and husband, he lost them all anyway to the Time War and the Timelord genocide. That's why he never talks about it, because with every new person he meets and the more his family of companions grows, the more the magnitude of what he lost in the first place becomes more apparent.
Maybe it was for your own sanity you decided not to do this which I accept, but you forgot Grandfather Paradox from Faction Paradox. He is one of the Doctor's cousins in the House of Lungbarrow and he's special since ofc he features a lot in the faction paradox series which is connected to DW.
@@tableprinterdoor Thanks for addressing this. I’m already an outsider to the Wilderness Years expanded universe so I needed my sister’s help when it came to researching Brax. Faction Paradox is; to my understanding, quite a rich corner of the Whoniverse so would probably require quite a deep dive.
@@quickflash2studios232 That’s a cool idea. Having recently picked up the issue of DWM which explained the Shalka backstory, I only just made the connection earlier today. Paul Cornell and Steven Moffat are friends so maybe it was originally intended as a nod to Paul’s work.
I know it’s controversial but I like the Lungbarrow twist. Because who created a genetic copy of The Other and sent them through the portal in the timeless child. I know that’s not what Chibnall was doing but at least it has potential.
For the 20th Anniversary of Doctor Who in 1983, there was a magazine called the "Doctor Who 20th Anniversary Special" published by the BBC. There is a story written by Eric Saward called "Birth of a Renegade" featuring th Fifth Doctor, it's revealed that Susan is actually the Lady Larn, the last living descendant of Rassilon. There was an attempted coup by the Master, taking place at the time, and he wanted to rule through Susan. The Doctor's memory of all the events surrounding the coup were erased, and when he finally left Gallifrey, he found Susan had stowed away in the Tardis and since his memory was wiped, he believed her when she said she was his granddaughter.
The young Doctor in Listen could've been after the Division erased the Fugitive Doctor's memory, with the arc Then used a device simular to what the Master/Toymaker used to force a regeneration into the Master Doctor after the 13th, to make her be a child, a young William Hartnell, who cried in a barn. Update: Brendan (Ascension of the Cybermen) was a Matrix construct, (TV: The Timeless Children) purported to be the adopted son of Meg and Patrick, after they discovered him as a baby in Ireland. (TV: Ascension of the Cybermen) Brendan's story was an analog for the Timeless Children and pre-Hartnell Doctors up to the Fugitive Doctor, used to hide the true origin of the Time Lords within the Matrix. According to the Spy Master, the Second Tecteun masked this story under a visual filter so that anyone who chanced upon it would find this piece of history to be unremarkable. (TV: The Timeless Children. Just imagine Jo Martin at retirement and the end of the Matrix construct instead of Brendan
I hate that that directors and producers ignore who history in favor of “what’s in fashion.” Susan is he doctor’s granddaughter. E did not grow up on a farm. He is a full blooded time lord. He was born in a machine similar to the one in modern Superman. If Clara and Danny are not reunited then the universe will cease to exist. Want more, take time to actually check the who universe
perhaps something happened to his family that smeared them through time, in a state of existance and non-existance and the doctor cant always push past memories changing
I liked the idea that was in the final Virgin 7th Doctor novel Lungbarrow which was that Time Lords in Gallifrey were woven together in a "loom" machine and were brought up together in clan groups that acted as families. It is no surprise that the Doctor being the contrary person he's always been and having a love for new experiences might have opted to have gotten married at some point and have had natural born children with someone.
The timelords, early Galifreyians, were humans escaping the Cybermen in the 52nd century through a portal to ancient Galifrey. The portal then changed to modern-day Galifrey in ruins after The Master/Toymaker destroyed the Timelords and made The Doctor's history a jigsaw puzzle. It is all the Toymaker's fault for this mess
Let's not forget about the Other and Patience's thirteen children that were taken away by chancellery guards to be executed as depicted in a flashback scene in Cold Fusion, lumped with when 1 taking Susan from that same era after she was delivered as the last naturally birth child on Gallifrey before Pythia's curse took hold leaving the mother dead shortly after delivery, meaning that one or more of those thirteen children may have survived execution presumably by escaping. Tbh, I say it's all canon, so that's food for thought.
I don't think you mentioned one of the weirdest little twists in "The Legend of Ruby Sunday" where 15 mentions that Susan might be a grand-daughter, but from a child he has yet to have.
Don't mind me, I'm just here to point out that the first Doctor also got engaged to a woman named Kamika in The Aztecs. Yes, yes, I know, nobody likes me, and I have no friends, I'll just move along now.
@@MeNoOther Wouldn’t explain how the Eighth Doctor knew about him. Apparently the comic book, The Forgotten, suggests the Doctor faked being half human using a broken chameleon arch which doesn’t quite fit with the TV movie but is a fun idea.
I want to say there's too much lore and we should get back to basics - mysterious traveller and Kimosabe in space and time .... but this is all deliciously hilariously delicious, so ... welp. So welp me Gob. That's what I meant.
Zezanne is the grandaughter of the future evil Doctor. When Zezanne and Soul suffer amnesia (as free will is restored to multiverse allowing multiple timelines to unfold), they crash to Earth aboard the Jonah mistaking themselves for family (because the Eighth Doctor gifted Soul his mind/memories, and he looks just like the First Doctor). The Jonah lands in a junkyard in 1963, where its faulty chameleon circuit causes it to take the form of a Police Box... Zezanne is AU Susan (and Soul is/becomes an AU Doctor). At least according to the end of the novel _Sometime Never..._
New subscriber, this was a cool video, I need to watch it again, my attention wanders thinking about stuff you say, so I'm sorry if you missed you saying this... TLDR: a lot of the inconsistencies in what the Doctor says could be explained by one line from River, "The Doctor Lies". I can imagine him saying stuff to deflect conversation and being forced to face truths, also maybe sometimes to simplify things, so not quite a lie, just a smudge of the truth to keep things sounding straight forward and not complicated, I know I do this in my life, not the lying bit, but the smudging to keep things simple and deflect further questions, it's a coping mechanism.
read about a scrapped classic who episode no im here writing a script for a 12 episode long animated fan series, doing research on the doctors family to take inspiration lmao
her's the thing, with the doctor now being the timeless child wouldn't that sort of mean that his children would be just as deathless having infinite regenerations? Jenni at the very least as she is made just from his dna
@@TJKash Having rewatched the episode and scanned through the dialogue several times, I can confirm that as far as I know it is never established in The Timeless Children that the Child could regenerate infinitely. We know they had a limit placed on them that wasn’t there before but the whole idea of infinite regeneration seems to be a fan invention.
@@TBowenMedia I believe tecktaun (However you spell it) experimented on the child so that her race would be able to regenerate which is why they limited it to 12. As for the doctor she had so many lives that were then erased from her and placed into that watch she got from tecktaunk. Remember when the doctor was adopted, became a police officer and at the end went through an erasure and it happened again and again. Or when the doctor was a child and tecktaun experimented on the doctor's many childhood incarnations. The time lords got their regenerations from the doctor, something the master took exception to when he found out.
A personal theory suggests that the Doctor had lost one of his children as a result of the Great Time War. My theory centers that the child was a member of the military. Like he was one of the Doctor's sons. The son sacrifice his own life to save his father. Simply because he was a very important person. Since a lot of parents don't want to see any of their children before them, the Doctor was heart broken. The Doctor had recover from his son's death. Yet how his son died haunted the Doctor. During the Battle of Arcadia, the Doctor had flipped because he was the witness the deaths of children. Than the Doctor had end the war even at the cost of destroying Gallifrey. The son's death can be seen that the Doctor didn't lose his entire family but only a few members. By the time of the present season started, the Doctor assumes that he is the last of his kind. Oddly the viewers know that the Doctor is not the last of his kind because of Jennifer. and Susan are still alive.
one reason why the doctor may not know what happen to his family and Susan it will become a fixed point and he can't change it in case it was something bad so it may better to not try to find out what happened
@@lemonfelonies124 It’s a little unclear. It’s suggested that the Doctor may have met Susan before meeting his child but given the various references to their children in previous episodes, I think we can assume this is the Doctor just dodging the question.
@@VaushTheEquestrian The title of “the First Doctor” has only ever meant the first actor to play the role and nothing will ever take that away from William Hartnell
@@Skegnessexpress The BBC and production team officially recognises seventeen Doctors if the 60th anniversary promotional art is anything to go by, with fifteen mainline Doctors alongside the War and Fugitive incarnations. The numbering of the Doctors has always been a little meaningless. The number usually just refers to how many actors have played the role but with David Tennant having returned for a short second stint, that doesn’t quite count anymore. Ncuti Gatwa is and will continue to be marketed as the ‘Fifteenth Doctor’ since he’s the fifteenth version of the character to lead the series.
Doctor who post Tennant really made everything far too complicated and dragged on...Smiths run was fun but had too many loose threads that took too long to tie up and anything else was too ridiculous, and Chibnal just spat on it all
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To help you all navigate the Doctor’s family tree, here are some time stamps!
01:00 - Mentioned Family
02:50 - Susan Foreman
03:33 - Jenny
04:21 - Tecteun
05:39 - The Doctor’s Marriages (TV)
07:37 - River Song
08:45 - Meta-Crisis Doctor
09:51 - Tyler/Noble Families
10:28 - John & Gillian
11:39 - Miranda Dawkins
12:06 - The Doctor’s Marriages (Transmedia)
13:02 - Susan (Transmedia)
14:10 - “Let’s talk about Lungbarrow”
17:22 - Mia
17:54 - Irving Braxiatel
18:57 - Uyleses
20:22 - What happened to them?
@TBowenMedia that's not the same doctor in yourthumbnail. That's a descendant of the timeless child. 2 totally different characters in different universe's. The new lore in the Jodie Whittaker established that. Now we just saw a season (#'rd 1) air. It's not a continuation. It's a different story.
I really hoped and was rooting for Jodie's turn at the helm to be a good one besides fingers I had everything crossed, hoping for it. They added a family again and it was to busy to care about anybody who was part of the new companion family, plus it was just a bit lame. Nothing was new. No new villains. The doctor was written in a fevered spasm of a 14 yr old. But the retcons to the lore and origin was absolutely mind bottling. As in it felt like someone jammed a bottle inro ur head and twisted. Why was that necessary.
You have a devoted multi generational fan base that researchers it like it was a scripture that have zero issues with race sexual orientation religion or more likely lack there of. Rewrite it and blankly label the fans as the things the doctor taught us to stand against.
They're 2 different shows. I'm sorry but I'm not gonna recognize a sloppy copy and paste. Especially when it recognizes itself as season 1. The cast even refers to it that way. They even discounted Jodie's run? Come on now.
I wish no one any hate or ill will, harsh feelings. Unfortunately the Doctor Who we knew and loved ended a few years back. This ain't it.
@TBowenMedia .. It's weird. It showed me you replied hours earlier, but it only actually let me see it now.
The doctor being a father that’s lost his children is one of my favorite parts of his character. I don’t need it to be brought up that often, but I love when it is
To this day I still find it so bizarre the Master of all people somehow managed to commit Time Lord genocide off screen. Like how did he manage to do what the Daleks couldn't even do in a Time War.
Yeah, it's like the time lord equivalent of humanity being wiped out by Ted Bundy
@@mrtdhl1 Exactly. What did he do differently than before?
They died of Boredom cause of his unfunny behavior
@@kiyru44 he did one of those "ooh, bit dramatic" lines and they all died from cringe
That Master that genocides the Time Lord's could've been the Toymaker.
The Master was put in the Toymaker's tooth, and the Toymaker made a jigsaw of the Doctor's history
The Doctor being married to royalty is why The Curator is operating in the tower, and president of Earth
Can’t wait for 2096 when Irving Braxiatel makes his first on-screen appearance alongside the 37th Doctor.
fun fact: in the original Doctors first Christmas special it was going to be revealed that the first doctor was the ex-husband of Cinderella's fairy godmother.
What?!
dude I'm laughing so hard at this you cannot believe it
I’m grateful someone else had to deal with scrabbling through the extended Doctor Who Universe. I had to do it for my fan-made stories I’m writing and…I almost had to tear my hair out.
I absolutely love writing the grim with the joyful in Doctor Who. Maybe I’ll take a crack at it on television one day.
You also forgot to add that Amy is the Doctor's mother-in-law *twice* since either in Dinosaurs (or Power of Three, I can't remember where the scene occurs!) she married Henry VIII because "someone was talking and I said yes", making her Elizabeth I's stepmother... and the Doctor's stepmother-in-law.
It's "Power of Three", I remember because Cubes. Good point, perfectly ridiculous gag, dunno if Henry ever would've considered it valid if he knew she was married and not about to divorce Rory.
@@GuiSmith Thank you!
In Amy’s past but in the future of the Earth’s timeline.
1st Doctor marrying an Aztec lady erasure!
Lovely video, and a great sum-up of the Doc's family, perfect to share with friends who like the show, but don't feel like listening to Big Finish (the fools, they're missing out!)
Thank you
I wonder if the Christmas special will contain the Susan reunion. In his conversation about Susan with Kate, the doctor is told "you bring joy" and the Christmas special is called "Joy to the world"
@@mrtdhl1 Oooh! Now that would be exciting and a very cheeky reference.
The woman in the End of Time could be one of Techeun's regenerations, like the other woman that covered their face could be Romana
Ulysses the Explorer sounds alot like Techeun who was the Doctor's adopted mother/father
Yeah, the master could have been another adoptive kid who was also mind wiped and reset, they got separated but found each other again at the academy, which wouldn't have happened if he'd been sent to the army like that man wanted "he'll never be a timelord"
@music2012pink Missy said they were friends way back to when the Doctor was a little girl. The boy who tried to take the Doctor's toy before the Doctor fell off cliff.
The 2 of them probably served in The Division, mind wiped, then Timelord Academy
Im glad the doctor and master arent siblings especially since Missy made out with the 12th doctor
Well they are childhood friends and the Rani also knows both from childhood.
@@dashtoroya2838 It's implied the Doctor had a crush on the Rani in the academy
One of the issues I have with this series is how contradictory it was about the Doctor being a parent - in Boom (written by Moffat who clearly understands the history), the Doctor blatantly states he's a father yet by the finale, he pretty much tells Kate he has a granddaughter but no children yet - something that makes even less sense because it's his own POV & how Russell has previously acknowledged the Doctor knew his children
@@Uniquely_David I think either this series is suggesting he met Susan before having children due to time travel or it’s just the Doctor deliberately dodging the question.
@@TBowenMedia I do see him not mentioning his family as a way of protecting them, Russell constantly bringing Susan up this series, it seems inevitable it'll be paid off in some way either by cameo or meeting - he like ripping off movies so I wonder if there'll be a scene similar to what's at the end of The Dark Knight Rises where they just acknowledge each other without drawing attention to it
Agreed
Even in the Devil's Chord (written by RTD) stated that the Doctor had kids before and will also have them in the future as well but in the LoRS he says he's never been a father before it doesn't make any sense unless this is part of a future story
I really found the whole idea introduced this year that the Doctor potentially has not yet had children really strange and silly and a bit infuriating.
The doctor doesn't know if one time he travelled in time might of unwritten the history of his kids and grandkids that's why he needs to think hard about them cause he's needing to thinking past an almost time repessed memory
I like this concept
Another question . . . Now that the Doctor has 'Bought Death to Death' by destroying Sutekh in the Time Vortex and basically restored Life to all parts of his timeline and the universe, has he undone the after effects of The Flux?
Has it restored life to everyone and everything that died since Sutekh latched onto the TARDIS . . . Or will it more likely be written as "No, only everything that died due to the effects of the multiple Susan Triads' 'Death Dust' at the time"?
Some of the storys have The Doctor takeing Susan away at the beginning to save her from an arranged marriage to the then president of the timelords, but Brax saved them by assassinating the president. Because he received blind orders to kill The Doctor and prevent Susan from getting away. Well Brax was not going to kill his brother.
Iirc this was implied in the Big Finish Gallifrey series, but also as Brax was the one who told that story, and he's not known to be completely honest, it's fittingly vague as to how true it is
3:50 "The two soon connected" your darn right they did
I do think its more poignant if the Doctor never brings up his family simply because its too painful to remember them. I've been in situations where I've wanted to run away from home and never look back but knew if I did so I would never forgive myself because my family NEED me. I can only imagine what that would feel like for a grandfather, someone who is supposed to be there for his children and grand-children who instead ran away and never looked back.
Perhaps the Doctor was never really meant to be a father or grandfather. Due to Gallifrey's strict social order, perhaps he was coerced into it, because it was expected of an educated Timelord to have a wife and kids and a house and all that. He simply wasn't built to be a family man and eventually that realisation ate at him until he had to leave. He honestly believed he wasn't good enough to be the person they needed him to be.
It was only after leaving Susan, meeting new people and losing them that he realised what having a family and caring about people actually meant. It's more tragic if by the time he realised he could be a good father and husband, he lost them all anyway to the Time War and the Timelord genocide.
That's why he never talks about it, because with every new person he meets and the more his family of companions grows, the more the magnitude of what he lost in the first place becomes more apparent.
Extended media makes the doctor’s origin multiple choice.
Lungbarrow specifically
Not many people cover the extended media so I’m glad you did
Omg i love your pitch meeting reference! Great deep dive!
Maybe it was for your own sanity you decided not to do this which I accept, but you forgot Grandfather Paradox from Faction Paradox. He is one of the Doctor's cousins in the House of Lungbarrow and he's special since ofc he features a lot in the faction paradox series which is connected to DW.
@@tableprinterdoor Thanks for addressing this. I’m already an outsider to the Wilderness Years expanded universe so I needed my sister’s help when it came to researching Brax. Faction Paradox is; to my understanding, quite a rich corner of the Whoniverse so would probably require quite a deep dive.
I always took the President’s Daughter stuff as a reference to the Shalka Doctor’s lore
@@quickflash2studios232 That’s a cool idea. Having recently picked up the issue of DWM which explained the Shalka backstory, I only just made the connection earlier today. Paul Cornell and Steven Moffat are friends so maybe it was originally intended as a nod to Paul’s work.
Lungbarrow is probably the best Doctor Who book ever written.
I know it’s controversial but I like the Lungbarrow twist. Because who created a genetic copy of The Other and sent them through the portal in the timeless child. I know that’s not what Chibnall was doing but at least it has potential.
For the 20th Anniversary of Doctor Who in 1983, there was a magazine called the "Doctor Who 20th Anniversary Special" published by the BBC. There is a story written by Eric Saward called "Birth of a Renegade" featuring th Fifth Doctor, it's revealed that Susan is actually the Lady Larn, the last living descendant of Rassilon. There was an attempted coup by the Master, taking place at the time, and he wanted to rule through Susan. The Doctor's memory of all the events surrounding the coup were erased, and when he finally left Gallifrey, he found Susan had stowed away in the Tardis and since his memory was wiped, he believed her when she said she was his granddaughter.
The young Doctor in Listen could've been after the Division erased the Fugitive Doctor's memory, with the arc
Then used a device simular to what the Master/Toymaker used to force a regeneration into the Master Doctor after the 13th, to make her be a child, a young William Hartnell, who cried in a barn.
Update: Brendan (Ascension of the Cybermen) was a Matrix construct, (TV: The Timeless Children) purported to be the adopted son of Meg and Patrick, after they discovered him as a baby in Ireland. (TV: Ascension of the Cybermen) Brendan's story was an analog for the Timeless Children and pre-Hartnell Doctors up to the Fugitive Doctor, used to hide the true origin of the Time Lords within the Matrix. According to the Spy Master, the Second Tecteun masked this story under a visual filter so that anyone who chanced upon it would find this piece of history to be unremarkable. (TV: The Timeless Children.
Just imagine Jo Martin at retirement and the end of the Matrix construct instead of Brendan
'Hellbent' ? Did you mean 'Listen'
@@anthonym9977 yes
I hate that that directors and producers ignore who history in favor of “what’s in fashion.” Susan is he doctor’s granddaughter. E did not grow up on a farm. He is a full blooded time lord. He was born in a machine similar to the one in modern Superman. If Clara and Danny are not reunited then the universe will cease to exist. Want more, take time to actually check the who universe
At this stage I'd say they disowned him.
Fantastic video, doctor who lore never fails to fascinate me.
First doctor got accidentally engaged to Cameca, a Aztec woman.
Did they actually get married, though?
Susan was also in one of the BBC Dalek novels. Legacy of the Daleks by John Peel. With McGanns Doctor.
perhaps something happened to his family that smeared them through time, in a state of existance and non-existance and the doctor cant always push past memories changing
Don’t forget the Doctor’s “Giddy Aunt,” mentioned by their second incarnation. ;-P
I liked the idea that was in the final Virgin 7th Doctor novel Lungbarrow which was that Time Lords in Gallifrey were woven together in a "loom" machine and were brought up together in clan groups that acted as families. It is no surprise that the Doctor being the contrary person he's always been and having a love for new experiences might have opted to have gotten married at some point and have had natural born children with someone.
Really love this video, and I love that you dug into the EU. Wonderful. I'm probably going to watch this another 15 times now
The timelords, early Galifreyians, were humans escaping the Cybermen in the 52nd century through a portal to ancient Galifrey.
The portal then changed to modern-day Galifrey in ruins after The Master/Toymaker destroyed the Timelords and made The Doctor's history a jigsaw puzzle.
It is all the Toymaker's fault for this mess
Let's not forget about the Other and Patience's thirteen children that were taken away by chancellery guards to be executed as depicted in a flashback scene in Cold Fusion, lumped with when 1 taking Susan from that same era after she was delivered as the last naturally birth child on Gallifrey before Pythia's curse took hold leaving the mother dead shortly after delivery, meaning that one or more of those thirteen children may have survived execution presumably by escaping. Tbh, I say it's all canon, so that's food for thought.
Good job !
I don't think you mentioned one of the weirdest little twists in "The Legend of Ruby Sunday" where 15 mentions that Susan might be a grand-daughter, but from a child he has yet to have.
The bit about Leela being the Doctor's mother is canon in my brain, if nowhere else 😆
They saw the show and changed their names so nobody ever finds out they're related
Brax in the thumbnail lessgooo
Don't mind me, I'm just here to point out that the first Doctor also got engaged to a woman named Kamika in The Aztecs. Yes, yes, I know, nobody likes me, and I have no friends, I'll just move along now.
Part human Doctor could've been referring to the Meta crisis Doctor of 10
@@MeNoOther Wouldn’t explain how the Eighth Doctor knew about him. Apparently the comic book, The Forgotten, suggests the Doctor faked being half human using a broken chameleon arch which doesn’t quite fit with the TV movie but is a fun idea.
I always thought he’d lied.
I want to say there's too much lore and we should get back to basics - mysterious traveller and Kimosabe in space and time .... but this is all deliciously hilariously delicious, so ... welp. So welp me Gob. That's what I meant.
Again, must have taken AGES to put that together, phew! Well done indeed!
Zezanne is the grandaughter of the future evil Doctor.
When Zezanne and Soul suffer amnesia (as free will is restored to multiverse allowing multiple timelines to unfold), they crash to Earth aboard the Jonah mistaking themselves for family (because the Eighth Doctor gifted Soul his mind/memories, and he looks just like the First Doctor). The Jonah lands in a junkyard in 1963, where its faulty chameleon circuit causes it to take the form of a Police Box...
Zezanne is AU Susan (and Soul is/becomes an AU Doctor).
At least according to the end of the novel _Sometime Never..._
New subscriber, this was a cool video, I need to watch it again, my attention wanders thinking about stuff you say, so I'm sorry if you missed you saying this... TLDR: a lot of the inconsistencies in what the Doctor says could be explained by one line from River, "The Doctor Lies".
I can imagine him saying stuff to deflect conversation and being forced to face truths, also maybe sometimes to simplify things, so not quite a lie, just a smudge of the truth to keep things sounding straight forward and not complicated, I know I do this in my life, not the lying bit, but the smudging to keep things simple and deflect further questions, it's a coping mechanism.
In the Aztec episodes the Doctor got engaged to an aztec lady but he had to leave before they could get married
read about a scrapped classic who episode no im here writing a script for a 12 episode long animated fan series, doing research on the doctors family to take inspiration lmao
her's the thing, with the doctor now being the timeless child wouldn't that sort of mean that his children would be just as deathless having infinite regenerations? Jenni at the very least as she is made just from his dna
@@TJKash Having rewatched the episode and scanned through the dialogue several times, I can confirm that as far as I know it is never established in The Timeless Children that the Child could regenerate infinitely. We know they had a limit placed on them that wasn’t there before but the whole idea of infinite regeneration seems to be a fan invention.
@@TBowenMedia I believe tecktaun (However you spell it) experimented on the child so that her race would be able to regenerate which is why they limited it to 12. As for the doctor she had so many lives that were then erased from her and placed into that watch she got from tecktaunk. Remember when the doctor was adopted, became a police officer and at the end went through an erasure and it happened again and again. Or when the doctor was a child and tecktaun experimented on the doctor's many childhood incarnations.
The time lords got their regenerations from the doctor, something the master took exception to when he found out.
Iris wildthyme and The Doctor almost get married not sure if that should be included.
A personal theory suggests that the Doctor had lost one of his children as a result of the Great Time War. My theory centers that the child was a member of the military. Like he was one of the Doctor's sons. The son sacrifice his own life to save his father. Simply because he was a very important person. Since a lot of parents don't want to see any of their children before them, the Doctor was heart broken. The Doctor had recover from his son's death. Yet how his son died haunted the Doctor. During the Battle of Arcadia, the Doctor had flipped because he was the witness the deaths of children. Than the Doctor had end the war even at the cost of destroying Gallifrey.
The son's death can be seen that the Doctor didn't lose his entire family but only a few members. By the time of the present season started, the Doctor assumes that he is the last of his kind. Oddly the viewers know that the Doctor is not the last of his kind because of Jennifer. and Susan are still alive.
Fantastic!
I hope Susan returns. RTD yoi need to make it happen
one reason why the doctor may not know what happen to his family and Susan it will become a fixed point and he can't change it in case it was something bad so it may better to not try to find out what happened
13:21 i think it may be in lungbarrow too
wasn't it mentioned in the recent series that the doctor met Susan out of order
@@lemonfelonies124 It’s a little unclear. It’s suggested that the Doctor may have met Susan before meeting his child but given the various references to their children in previous episodes, I think we can assume this is the Doctor just dodging the question.
@@TBowenMedia tyyy
Well..the first doctor is technically no longer the first so..yeah, it does change the cannon.
@@VaushTheEquestrian The title of “the First Doctor” has only ever meant the first actor to play the role and nothing will ever take that away from William Hartnell
@@TBowenMedia and it once implied his original generation.
The Doctor's family are currently making their way across the channel in a dinghy! 🙄
The timeless child is not canon
the 17th doctor not 15th doctor
@@Skegnessexpress The BBC and production team officially recognises seventeen Doctors if the 60th anniversary promotional art is anything to go by, with fifteen mainline Doctors alongside the War and Fugitive incarnations. The numbering of the Doctors has always been a little meaningless. The number usually just refers to how many actors have played the role but with David Tennant having returned for a short second stint, that doesn’t quite count anymore. Ncuti Gatwa is and will continue to be marketed as the ‘Fifteenth Doctor’ since he’s the fifteenth version of the character to lead the series.
I did
Doctor who post Tennant really made everything far too complicated and dragged on...Smiths run was fun but had too many loose threads that took too long to tie up and anything else was too ridiculous, and Chibnal just spat on it all
I really enjoyed not watching series 14.
thanks for letting us know
@@UranusMcVitieFish-yd7oq Said no-one with a brain ever.