Man, all the .260 and .243 comments are here are really sad. Yes, we know your grandpas .264 mag shoots faster than these. That’s not the point. The point in the cm vs .260 is a slightly shorter case allowing you to load the modern, long, high BC bullets that are more efficient down range. Same for the 6mm vs .243. If all you do is hunt deer inside 300-400 yards then you’re right, keep your .270. That’s not what these were designed to do. They happen to kill animals quite with good bullet selection and shot placement, all while having low recoil and being inherently accurate, but they were designed originally for long range target shooting. How many competitions has the .270 won? We all know there’s a million different cartridges that will kill deer and elk, hating on something new when you don’t actually understand what it was designed to do is pretty ridiculous.
It's horses for courses. You could go back to the 6mm ppc or its older brother the 22 ppc for the advent of shorter, fatter cases that were inherently accurate You could look at the 6.5-284 as a short fat cartridge and the Tompkins family pretty well established its abilities at Camp Perry. You could also put a fast twist barrel on a 243 and shoot ELD bullets in one and it might be close to the 6mm cm. The 6mm's are starting to take a larger percentage of wins in the long range arena, unless it gets windy. Nosler is reinventing a belt less Weatherby and hunters are embracing them. The 260 Rem has its fans just as the 338 Lapua does. Yes the Creedmores are effective to 1,000 yards and a bit beyond but using them on game beyond 600 yards gets a bit problematic as far as ethical hunting goes. Yes it can be done and there are those who have the skill and tools to do it but that doesn't mean we all should try it. So, you do your homework and make your choice. Hell you might get a 1" in 8" barrel in 6mm Remington and shoot the 100 grain plus elds right alongside all the other 6's and 6.5's or take a big step to the 416's and 378's and targets at miles not yards. Read the seminal books of Bryan Liz and plot your own course. The only thing we pretty much know for sure is that shooting sports as we know it today might look a whole lot different 10 years down the road.
@@scottmcwhinney5727 You're absolutely right. The CM's are far from what would be my first choice to shoot deer / elk at over 4-5-600 yards. I was simply saying the amount of people who hate on the CM's is funny. For hunting purposes it's far from anything special, but it's not BAD inside typical hunting ranges. My point was simply that there's no logic behind a lot of the nonsense comments people make about it. It has pros and cons just like anything else. It's not the cartridges fault people don't use it properly
@@BadoreksDailys No argument from me, its all horses for courses and most have their places in the great spectrum of cartridges out there. We all have our favorites and when a manufacturer gets behind a cartridge they designed you can expect a bunch of hoopla. Takes awhile before the negatives or limitations appear. In the interim lots will jump behind the latest and greatest. Thanks.
@@scottmcwhinney5727 You are absolutely correct. There are horses for each course. Some horses overlap, and some don't. I completely understand both sides. Is the 6.5 creed a 1500 yard elk slayer? No. Is the 6.5 creed more than capable of killing a mule deer at 300 yards? Yes. I've always believed that the number one most important thing is shot placement, followed by bullet selection. Of course, there is a wide range of bullets that will do the job. However, I would rather see an elk hit in the vitals with a 100 grain partitions out of a .243 at 200 yards than an elk hit in the guts at 500 yards with a .300 RUM. At the same time, I'd rather see an elk hit well in the vitals with a 300 RUM than hit well with a .243. You know what I'm saying. I'venever bought into this whole discussion, at the end of the day know YOUR rifle, YOUR limitations, YOUR cartridges limitations, and put well designed bullets where they need to go. At the end of the day, we all have the same goal in mind, ethically harvest an animal. Best of luck to you! Hope you had a Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays. Happy Hunting!
@markgrant3653 yes, you can. However your gun is not manufactured to the same tolerances as modern cartridges. Like I said, for most folks hunting there’s nothing special about these cartridges. However, acting like they don’t excel at what they were designed to do is silly. Pretending there’s not advantages to a modern cartridge from a loading / long range target shooting perspective is also silly.
What I would really like to see is a comprehensive comparison of 6.5 creed, 6.5 PRC, and 6.5-284. I know the 6.5-284 is less popular, but it is a very capable round.
All these new cartridges in 6.5 do not measure up to the original American 6.5....the .256 Newton. That cartridge has been around since the 1920’s. I have an original Charles Newton rifle chambered for this cartridge along with a number of custom rifles I have build myself. The brass was once produced by Jamison International a few years ago and I bought 2000 just in case. The .256 Newton performs just as Charles Newton designed it! It is good for all American game animals as well as long range targets out to 1200 to 1300 meters. Charles Newton knew what he was doing long before many others were even born. If I had to give up all my rifles but one I would keep my .256 Newton!
Could you guys start making some more brass and ammo? I just bought a new 6.5 PRC rifle and I can't find a single box of Hornady 6.5 Match ammo. I can't even find 6.5 PRC Hornady brass.
I mean, who cares about velocities at various ranges, bullet drop with assorted loads, or sample group sizes anyway? It's all about the case's appearance! :)
Per reloading manuals, the 6.5 PRC and the .264 Win Magnum are close in the 130 gr and up category. PRC 250 fps faster with 120 bullets. Same length barrel.
@@oncall21 Was wondering if anyone would call him out on that. We hunt elk in the mountains of Mt and our elder statesman ( Who has killed somewhere around 40 bulls ) says 30-06 is a bare minimum for elk. I shoot 7RUM and most of our group shoots 300Winmag. We prefer the elk to drop, not run. An extra mile where we hunt might be an extra day's pack out.
LOL Actually it doesn't. A saami spec 25-06 has a 1:10 twist rate barrel. That means it can't shoot longer more aerodynamic bullets. Bullet selection for 257 cal is pretty small. I put a new barrel on my 25-06 and built a 6.5-06. The 6.5-06 was originally called the 256 Newton back in 1913. It superior to the 25-06 in every way.
@@TexanUSMC8089 I had an original Newton given to me by an uncle. Should have never sold. I agree with your comment about BC making a difference at long distances. But I do not shoot competition. I just want hunt (ethically) to hit hard out to about 600 yds. My handloads of 120gr. bullet doing 3250 far out do a Needmoor.
Go to any sporting goods store and find me some 264 win mag.. IF you do find any, it'll be $45-$80/box of 20. How about rifle options? Exactly. 6.5cm is special because it's readily available, affordable, and it just works.
@@demitrisolvinski You are correct in the fact that finding a factory rifle would be difficult. And factory ammo also expensive but I could find what I needed to have this caliber again without breaking the bank. I would seek the 264 WM again because a large portion of my life experience with this rifle.
The saami spec 243 has a 1:10 twist barrel. That means it's better with bullets from 75-90gr. The 6CM has a 1:8 twist, so it shoots a much longer more aerodynamic bullet. 103eldx -108eld bullets. They're far less effected by wind and lose speed at a much slower rate. I'd say the 243 shoots varmint rounds better though. The 264 Win Mag is a pretty good cartridge, but saami spec gives it a 1:9 twist barrel. It holds a lot more powder than the PRC, but can't shoot the heavier more aerodynamic bullets as well. A modern 264 Win Mag would have a 1:8 twist barrel, and a longer throat. Then you could load it with 147gr bullets and have a longer range hunting cartridge. I like cars made in the 30's to 70's, but the fact is, they produced less power and got a lot worse mpg. It's kind of the same with guns. If your deer are less then 150 yards away, then the tried and true 30-30 will be great. If you're hunting pronghorn in Wyoming, then you need all the help you can get to reach out there and battle the wind. Now days they have chronographs and computers and cnc machines to improve cartridges,
Watching this and it sounds like he doesn't know the 6 and 6.5 is for mili metres, 243 and 264 and all that jazz. There're been 6.5's long before the Creedmoore. So don't think the Creedmoore started all the buzz about 6.5 long range shooting, the world has been using 6.5 x 55 fir a long time.
I had a .260 Remington and loved it but regretfully had to sell it. when i was able i bought a .308 and last year bought a 6.5 Creedmoor. truth is though i would be fine with a 6.5 Grendel for the range i would shoot.
You should have done the 7mm PRC. There is the point of diminishing returns with 6,5mm Magnum. Bigger Case, more barrel burning etc. for just about 200fps more. Very specific cartridge. A 7mm PRC would also be mor suitable for LR Hunting. Nobody wants a barrel of 26"+ these days. Max. should be 24" for LR Hunting. Greetings from a german weapon engineer.
Terence totally agree. Should have designed it around heavy 7mm projectiles, 175gr and up. Not only better for hunting and easier on barrels, but superior BC that pays dividends in windage. Greetings from a fellow engineer.
It was designed to reach the max velocity within the rules for PRS competitions and work in a short action. This wouldn’t be obtainable with the heavier 7mm bullets
Can some explain to this noob what a cartridge is? I'm looking to get into long range shooting with a 22" complete upper 6.5 Creedmoor from Aero Precision. When you mention "different cartridge" between the 6.5 CM & PRC, what exactly do you mean? Will I need a whole new rifle to shoot the PRC? I'm lost. Sorry, guys.
A cartridge is the actual ammo your rifle takes. 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5 PRC are two different cartridges so you you will need a whole new rifle to shoot the PRC.
So the 6.5 PRC is pretty much equal to a 6.5-284 or a 6.5 Rem Mag thats been out for many many years. But im sure the the prc is the latest greatest thing tho. ha ha ha
When you shoot that much just get a .308, it will last much longer. I have a Mossberg patriot predator 6.5PRC. I doubt I would ever shoot 300 rounds out of it, yet alone 1000-2500. The way it's going, I may never get to shoot it. I bought it this week and can't find ammo. I was sad to hear the guy behind the counter say, "it comes with two boxes of ammo for purchase, only we ran out of ammo for it".
1730 average according to these guys th-cam.com/video/2w50IsO1W3Y/w-d-xo.html. It just slightly affects long range ballistics as 99.% of the barrel is fine, its just a small area right before the lands that gets "burned out"
I think he thought he was speaking about the 6.5 Swede when he said "time honoured". The Creedmoor cartridges are still in my opinion new fad cartridges. Let's see if any of these will be popular in 10 more years like the 308 Win, 243 Win of the 6.5 x 55 Swede are now.
Typical old farts can’t accept that new and better calibers are here to stay, the 6.5 Creedmoor has been around for 10 years now and it’s getting better than ever
Never said it wasn't popular, fan boy. There are always people looking to get the newest "Gucci" cartridge to compensate for their poor shooting. When it gets to be 120 years old like the 6.5 Swede, then you can call it "time honored" all you like.
6.5 CM is just a short-action 6.5x55mm. I know there are some minor differences and you can load heavier bullets in the long-action cartridge, but for most people's shooting they're ballistically identical, like 7mm-08 and 7x57mm. 7mm-08 and 6.5 CM will stick around for the same reasons that the older, long-action cartridges will. Because they do what they do, but in a shorter, lighter, handier rifle. Most modern rifles are built first for the shorter action, and having a .308 Win parent case means far greater availability and compatibility with more rifles than 6.5x55 or 7x57. These cartridges do the same thing, but they're available in the common shorter actions of today. That's no gimmick. 6.5 PRC might not last, it's a shorter 6.5-284, a less popular cartridge to begin with (though greatly respected for it's capabilities). But 6.5 PRC like 6.5 CM has some real advantages and it has better external ballistics than anything with less recoil, and is only significantly surpassed by cartridges with much more recoil. 6.5 PRC is a light magnum cartridge, if I recall correctly it has the recoil energy of a heavy .30-06. In other words, it's the perfect long-range cartridge for many people. That's about the limit of recoil for many people before it becomes unpleasant. Good power for hunting or very long range shooting. 6mm CM might not last, but if you want to shoot a 6mm cartridge out of a box magazine at long range with factory it's the obvious choice. It fits the heavier 6mm bullets within magazine OAL limits better than the .243 Win, and unlike all it's other rivals factory ammo is available. It's not that 6mm CM performs any better than 6mm Dasher. Velocity is a little higher in the CM, but the Dasher is slightly more efficient and gets you probably the best recoil for external ballistics deal there is. But Dasher and the other 6mm .308 Win parent case cartridges seen in competition are all handloader cartridges, except the CM and .243 Win (though you'll probably have to handload heavy bullets for .243 Win and may need an usual twist rate). 6 CM is an effective and very competitive turnkey solution. But if we're talking 6mm ARs, these low-power .308 Win parent case 6mm cartridges almost overlap with the most powerful AR-15 6mm cartridges, like the 6mmAR variants (which are essentially 6.5 Grendel necked down to 6mm, including also the 6mm FatRat and 6mm Grinch). So if it's an AR, it may make sense to sacrifice 200fps and get the snaller-frame AR-15 rather than a bigger, heavier, more expensive, and likely less reliable gun designed for .308 Win.
Paelorian you seem to be pretty familiar with the differences between these rounds. Something I am wondering (and on which I haven’t found any real comparative info) is the differences between 6.5 PRC and 6.5-284, especially ballistically. I know the PRC was made so it could fit in a short action, but that’s about it. Would you be able to give me a very brief explanation of the differences? I am mainly interested in one or the other for long range hunting and shooting. Thank you!
Scott Buckley. Right on! Well there you go! Have you compared it yet along side a .270 Winchester model 70. We shoot and maintain the old rifles here. Some get bold and buy the fancy new calibre rifles. Usually the guys that use cocaine and have too much time, money and tattoos on their ass. To me, that creedomore rifle is same concept as .308 design. Shorter cartridge with explosive powder. Worked good for the .308 because of heavier grain and larger bore. See no real advantage to .270 except the marketing. Grandpa bought .308 way back when they first come out. Lever action, magazine hehe! What a combination! Think he wanted to upgrade his trusty 303 British. Was a thin barrel and probably shot full metal jacket during training and wore the barrel out somewhat.
Yeah the 6.5x55 is still my favorite cartridge after all these years. Crazy high BC 140gr bullets at 2800+fps has dropped everything I have ever shot at with one shot every time. Oh and it will stack shot after shot through the same hole at 100yd. I could not imagine anything more impressive then that, and just as icing on the cake it's low recoil makes it a joy to shoot unlike some of the magnums I own.
Right on Jared. I love my Swedes. My 1900 M1896 is my most accurate Rifle. Love those Factory Bull Barrels. I love the 140 Gr. Hornady A-Max Bullets with 43 Gr. of H4350 Powder. I can hit a Golf Ball at 100 Yards with the IRON SIGHTS.! I also have and still use the 139Gr. Norma Bullets used in the Swede M/41 Military Ammo.
LOL The 6.5x55 is great and been around since 1895, but it doesn't fit well in a US standard short action. That's why most are in old Mauser mid length actions.
Our troops need a better round with more knock down power and more range. It's not hard and shouldn't take years. They dumbed down the 556 and then made the barrels shorter. Is the government on our side .
Literally means...literally...so don't say literally unless you mean it, well, literally...I think you meant figuratively...Totally different, means totally...There are similarities between the two rounds outside of bullet diameter, so therefore, not totally different...
6.5 creedmoor didn't fill any gaps in any way. It was just a vessel for hornady to market a "new" round. Something which they knocked out of the park obviously.
NO There aren't any 277 cal bullets with a high BC. 264cal/6.5mm have a 625BC in a 143gr bullet. The 277 cal have very few options at 500BC and the rifles all have a 1:10 twist, so they may not shoot it well. I much prefer the 7mm WSM over the 270WSM. It's all about bullet selection and barrel twist.
@@davidoakley3256 I saw an ad for that in a magazine just this morning at work. it looks awesome but I'm not interested in paying 70 bucks a box I'll wait for hornady to make one!!
@@adamcostilla1692 they are pricy, but unfortunately with todays market you will probably never see new long action cartridges. The Reminton Ultra Mag line of cartridges showed that if it doesn't fit into an AR10 or AR15 pattern rifle, it wont be a commercial success in the modern shooting world.
@@adamcostilla1692 I'll just add, I do own a 8mm RemMag, a 375H&H, and a 338 RUM. So mabie im just used to paying to much for ammo. But I do love the feel of those long action mags.
6.5 cm is crazy awesome!!! My buddy had a browning xbolt hunter 6.5 cm factory amo 140 soft point and he out perform us with custom 308 7mm08 n a 300 mag out to 400 m with 50mph winds !!! No joke ! so i got me a custom made 6.5 cm the next weekend lmfao it a great round I recommend it to everybody
I shoot by myself most of the time and I find it difficult with my 308 and even my 270 to spot my shots because of recoil. I have more fun show a smaller calibers touches my 223. Im considering selling my 308 and looking into a 6mm or 243 winchester. Any impute would be appreciated. I want a fast cartridge but dont want to go much higher then a 12lb recoil impulse.
Hornady, why did you waste all this time redesigning the wheel? 6.5X55 was designed a long time ago and is still better and more popular. You are not going to get ahead if you still use imperial measurement to show dimensions of a cartridge. It just shows how behind you are on R&D.
6.5 Creedmoor is a big hit because it's easy on shooters, easy on guns, it's economic from a reloaders standpoint and you can convert just about any .308 with a simple barrel swap. The 6.5 PRC tries to hard at something that can be better achieved by many other well established calibers. I don't see this one lasting or achieving widespread success like the Creedmoor. 🤔
Agreed. My thoughts exactly. 6.5 Creed hit the sweet spot for a majority of shooters. Covers a great range of game for hunting. Quality ammo that's affordable and availabile. Great ballistics. All with little recoil.
That's exactly why I shoot one- I'm an ex-7mm Rem Mag owner that now has pins, bolts, and screws in my shoulder from falling 25 ft. The creed is much easier on the hardware.
Mabie he ment time honoured among young percision shooters. There can be no way he ment time honoured among hunters, like the 6.5x55 Sweed, 6.5x54 MS or the 264WM.
Hornady, you need to make an equivalent of a Sierra Match King, Berger VLD, or a Lock Base for a 160-165 grain .264" bullet for loading in a .264 Win Mag. My estimate is that a 160 grain, low drag, .264" projectile would have a BC of ~0.850 if fired at a velocity of 2,900 fps. The projectile would still be supersonic at 2,000 yards and has similar drop to a 750 grain .50 BMG A-Max. This would be huge and you guys would pretty much own the market for the heavier, long-range 6.5 bullets.
NRAdude already 155's out there for your bigger .264 guns, 26 nosler, 6.5x284, and 6.5-300 weatherby. The problem with these in the 264 win mag, which I own a sako, twists rates are almost always 1-9 for the lighter bullets. Unless it's a custom 264 win by then it's a 1-9 which sucks for all the vld's. So hornady doenst really need to, it's already done....
It is amazing to me how no one wants to compare the 264 Win Mag to any of the "new" cartridges, maybe because it is so much better the only things faster are the Weatherby 6.5-300 and the 26 Nosler but they burn a lot more powder. The barrel burn is not nearly as bad as people say especially if you take into account the better barrel components we have now days.
It could be compared, but factory barreled 264 Win Mag's are chambered in 1 in 9" twist barrels, making it hard to stabilize the high BC long bullets that the new cartridges can stabilize accurately.
Hornady Manufacturing that is factory twist barrels if you go one step further to replacement or top shelf custom builds you can get a 1:7.5 twist which should stabilize a Bullet of this design which is the true shooters of this cartridge.
From what I've been able to find, the 155 grain 6.5mm projectiles don't have the contour of a VLD and have pretty crappy coefficients at least in the factory loads they're sold in. Most of them appear to be hunting or sporting projectiles similar to solids from what I could find. Have you found a 155 that's designed similar to a VLD or a lock-base?
I wonder how the ELD holds up in the prc, 180 eld-m blow up at speeds over 2950 in my WSM, will the 6.5 eld stay in one piece, who knows but loaded with Bergers that may be a different animal
Easy boys and be nice. OK, 6.5 CM= 260 Rem; 6 CM = .243 win; 6.5 PCR - I am sure is an also ran, 7mm Rem mag. Everyday, 300yrd cartridge, I will stick with .308; I like that family. I'll tell you one that got away from us, that is really a great hunting and property defense cartridge is the 6.8 SPC... maybe we should do a 6.5 SPC? (!)
Are the 6.5 PRC factory rifles using Hornady factory ammo generally more accurate than say factory 7mm rem mag rifles shooting Hornady factory ammo (162g ELDX)? The 6.5PRC has equal or better trajectory out to 1000 yds than the 7mm rem mag but with less energy. I am wanting to hunt long range deer and elk beyond 500yds but my factory 7mm mag struggles to stay under MOA (1.25-1.5) at 100. Therefore accuracy becomes the limiting factor beyond 500 with the 7mm mag, considering upgrading to the 6.5PRC or possibly the 7 PRC.
They already done did it. They named it a 22-6mm Remington. Or if you like changing barrels, you “improve” it and rename it. “The Texas Trophy Hunter” I sold my 22-250’s and 25-05 AI when the houses replaced the hay fields.
Hi there and good video, I have to say that the 264 win mag has the 6.5 PRC by a lot 140 SST doing 3015 and gives 1/4 inch group. I’m not saying that the 6.5 PRC ain’t a good round , I have a 6.5 Creedmoore and love it but the 264 Beats it in the long run due to higher velocity and more energy energy , the difference is right around 250 foot pounds of energy difference between the 264 and 6.5 Creedmore. Is anyone going to make the 6.5 PRC in a semi automatic Version? Anyways I did enjoy your video. I’ll be getting a 6.5 PRC when I can find or make with a 26 inch barrel. What is the case that you guys made the 6.5 PRC off of? The case for the PRC reminds me of a Winchester short mag case and one of the rifles that I would like to make is the 6.5 WSM but I think I’m going to have to make that with a gun Smith. I hope you have a great night.
All I could think as watched this old fool ramble was that he must have been alive when the .264 was invented yet apparently has no idea it exists and is better. .260 and .264 both beat the new stuff by a country mile.
Yes, but who wants to dicker with a belted magnum case, when you can have a non belted magnum case? If I see a belt, I don't even want to mess with handloading them. So for that reason alone, the PRC in 300 is a great addition to the already good list of magnum calibers.
If the 6.5 prc is the creedmores mag then what is the .264 win mag. I don't know about the velocity of these 3 but the .264 win mag will shoot 140gr at 3300fps with the right load. Heck you can buy box 140gr rem core lokt that shoots almost 3100fps. I'd say that's pretty good. All of these .264 rounds and no one thought to make a .264 round that shoots 160gr at 3000 to 3200fps. That would be the cats ass for 1k yds. If your shoulder could take it.
Didn’t the Swedes figure this out in 1896?dont like metric go .260 Rem neck down .308 case simple. Lots of cheap brass,done. Just like the lures are to catch the fishermen all these new calibers just keep us buying stuff we don’t need. I started with a K96 Mauser when I was a kid. Gone full circle with a safe full of rifles and calibers right back to 6.5 is the going fad. What’s next? Creed more ultra mag AI?Got to have it!
overrated and tired of hornadys big claims,,,,,,,gee the 6.5x55 and 260, can edge the creedmoor by a good 100 fps,,,,, the 22 creedmoor is a 22-250 ackley the 6mm creedmoor is the same as the a the 6mm -250 improved, the 6.5 prc is a beltless copy of the 6.5 rem mag. and a full 200 fps behind the old 264 mag,,,,,,,new ,, improved ? where and how ?
Because there aren't a very large selection of bullets in 277 cal. If you hunt out west where the wind blows 20+ mph, and you need to shoot at longer ranges, a more aerodynamic bullet will make a big difference. The 6.5mm/264 cal has a far more aerodynamic bullet selection. Many people shoot a 270 with 130gr bullets. Mostly under 400 BC. A 130gr bullet in 6.5 is well over 500BC. A 143gr bullet in 6.5 has a 625 BC. That means that the 270 bullet at 300 yards in a 20mph cross wind will blow over twice as far off target as the 6.5 bullet. Bullet selection for the 270 has improved in the last 5 years. You can now get 140-145gr bullets with about a 500BC. Wind is the biggest problem for shooting past 200 yards. If you're pronghorn is 400 yards away and no way to get closer...6.5 really increases your chances.
@@zacshorkey5738 6.5 CM was designed start to finish as a target or match round. The thing was never meant for hunting. Ok cool it has a flatter trajectory than .308. it's also 60 years newer from conception to manufacture. I'm thinking yeah tech, science, ballistics, understanding of all the above improved over that time. But it doesn't change the fact that it was never meant as a hunting round. A 22lr will kill a moose or bear. A bullet to the heart is a bullet to the heart regardless of calibre, ballistics etc etc. At least in Canada, the minimum legal hunting calibre is .243. I'd never use that on anything bigger than a mule deer. Wanna use 6.5? Cool! Just please make sure it's good shot placement!
@@jace2wheel762 I understand what your saying to an extent. But when you mention the .243 being the minimum caliber allowed in Canada as if that is a superior round compared to the 6.5......you do realize that the 6.5 is bigger than the .243? and yes, no matter what cartridge is used, 300 win mag or .243, shot placement is everything and should be the main focus to any ethical hunter.
@@scottl9308 lol dude. I was just saying. I'm quite certain a 24(243) calibre isn't quite as big at a 26(6.5) calibre. But I also wouldn't be comfortable using a 308 on a bear. But a 300 win I'd be good with. Both are 30 Cal right? The 6.5 is a fantastic round. Just not a hunting round. So if it's used in that capacity? Cool! Just be ethical about it. Too many morons shoot to wound from way too far, just so they can track the animal down and kill it up close. If you're a hunter it's kinda like being a sniper. 1 shot, 1 kill. Not maim from 600 yards and kill from 20 yards
@@jace2wheel762 I've seen plenty of bear taken with a 308. otherwise, I agree 100 percent with everything else you just said. alot of bad hunters giving good ethical hunters a bad name. "there's alot more horses asses then there are horses "
Thanks for living in reality. I'm sick of all the Toyota Tundra- driving mall snipers who are talking about burning barrels, when they only get to shoot 3 times a year.
It seems to me that a lot of the long range bench rest interest brought about the 6.5-284, and the others “came tumbling after” like Jane. I have loaded a lot of Hornsby bullets into cases over the past 50+ years, but I do believe that this is a factory sponsored ad campaign. Other than a few cursory case dimensions, there is no real information to be gleaned from this presentation. As these large capacity cartridges are developed, it would be a good thing to extend the barrel length to 26” or even 28” to allow setting the barrels back as the throat is eroded, while allowing more of the powder time to burn inside the bore.
The reason (6.5 Creedmoor) it's been "on fire" is people on every TV gun show/outdoors/sportsman channel wont stop promoting it and trying to sell it. You see here they did not even mention the .260 Rem, or the 6.5 Swedish Mauser which is all the rest of them's BABY DADDY :)
6.5 cartridge development predates the Swedish mauser. They also weren't the only nation of that era to adopt 6.5 cartridges for the military. While I love 6-7mm military cartridges, they don't come anywhere near the performance of 6.5 creedmoor. It is an excellent cartridge, shorter, lighter action, incredible performance (if you deny this I doubt you have shot past 600 yds much if at all and certainly not in the 1200-1400yd range), standard bolt face, etc. The cartridge is convenient, available, efficient, and with excellent performance to boot. Plenty of great cartridges out there but 6.5 creedmoor should surpass 308 as the go-to standard, full-power rifle cartridge in America if it hasn't already.
Too many family members in the 6.5 family tree😂 One first day of Bear season, a hunter almost ran up to me; sweating, red faced and breathing heavy. He said to me “ do you know anything about guns”? I replied, yes what do you need? He proceeded to show me a Model 700 Remington in 7mm Remington. The bolt was fully cycled back, with a Shell half in, and half out, of the barrel The Extractor Claws, have been pulled away from the shell had been jammed. The man had tried to load a 7mm Remington with a 7mm Mag Shell. Needless to say, his season was screwed. I see this 6.5 thing going to be another First Day of Bear Season for Someone 👎
The 6.5CM is very close ballistic wise. The CM was designed to shoot in a standard US short action rifle. The 6.5x55 really needs a mid length receiver or long action.
It’s the same as the .260 vs 6.5 cm. The main different is the 6mm cm case allows you more room for longer bullets, allowing you to shoot long, heavy, more ballistic efficient bullets. If you’re shooting federal fusions or Remington core lokts, then they’re about the same. The cm case is just slightly shorter allowing you to shoot the longer bullets while still being the same overall length.
Let's be real the only reason you buy a 6.5 or 6mm creedmoore is for the guys that don't reload and want to say they shoot long range. 260 or 260ai have been around way longer and can do more when handloaded. I do however love the cheap brass for my 22 creedmoore
I don't think the AI is as optimized for auto feeding, and that's all the craze right now: super accurate and packable autos in big power short action rifles.
Man, all the .260 and .243 comments are here are really sad. Yes, we know your grandpas .264 mag shoots faster than these. That’s not the point. The point in the cm vs .260 is a slightly shorter case allowing you to load the modern, long, high BC bullets that are more efficient down range. Same for the 6mm vs .243. If all you do is hunt deer inside 300-400 yards then you’re right, keep your .270. That’s not what these were designed to do. They happen to kill animals quite with good bullet selection and shot placement, all while having low recoil and being inherently accurate, but they were designed originally for long range target shooting. How many competitions has the .270 won? We all know there’s a million different cartridges that will kill deer and elk, hating on something new when you don’t actually understand what it was designed to do is pretty ridiculous.
It's horses for courses. You could go back to the 6mm ppc or its older brother the 22 ppc for the advent of shorter, fatter cases that were inherently accurate You could look at the 6.5-284 as a short fat cartridge and the Tompkins family pretty well established its abilities at Camp Perry. You could also put a fast twist barrel on a 243 and shoot ELD bullets in one and it might be close to the 6mm cm. The 6mm's are starting to take a larger percentage of wins in the long range arena, unless it gets windy. Nosler is reinventing a belt less Weatherby and hunters are embracing them.
The 260 Rem has its fans just as the 338 Lapua does. Yes the Creedmores are effective to 1,000 yards and a bit beyond but using them on game beyond 600 yards gets a bit problematic as far as ethical hunting goes. Yes it can be done and there are those who have the skill and tools to do it but that doesn't mean we all should try it. So, you do your homework and make your choice. Hell you might get a 1" in 8" barrel in 6mm Remington and shoot the 100 grain plus elds right alongside all the other 6's and 6.5's or take a big step to the 416's and 378's and targets at miles not yards. Read the seminal books of Bryan Liz and plot your own course. The only thing we pretty much know for sure is that shooting sports as we know it today might look a whole lot different 10 years down the road.
@@scottmcwhinney5727 You're absolutely right. The CM's are far from what would be my first choice to shoot deer / elk at over 4-5-600 yards. I was simply saying the amount of people who hate on the CM's is funny. For hunting purposes it's far from anything special, but it's not BAD inside typical hunting ranges. My point was simply that there's no logic behind a lot of the nonsense comments people make about it. It has pros and cons just like anything else. It's not the cartridges fault people don't use it properly
@@BadoreksDailys No argument from me, its all horses for courses and most have their places in the great spectrum of cartridges out there. We all have our favorites and when a manufacturer gets behind a cartridge they designed you can expect a bunch of hoopla. Takes awhile before the negatives or limitations appear. In the interim lots will jump behind the latest and greatest. Thanks.
@@scottmcwhinney5727 You are absolutely correct. There are horses for each course. Some horses overlap, and some don't. I completely understand both sides. Is the 6.5 creed a 1500 yard elk slayer? No. Is the 6.5 creed more than capable of killing a mule deer at 300 yards? Yes. I've always believed that the number one most important thing is shot placement, followed by bullet selection. Of course, there is a wide range of bullets that will do the job. However, I would rather see an elk hit in the vitals with a 100 grain partitions out of a .243 at 200 yards than an elk hit in the guts at 500 yards with a .300 RUM. At the same time, I'd rather see an elk hit well in the vitals with a 300 RUM than hit well with a .243. You know what I'm saying. I'venever bought into this whole discussion, at the end of the day know YOUR rifle, YOUR limitations, YOUR cartridges limitations, and put well designed bullets where they need to go. At the end of the day, we all have the same goal in mind, ethically harvest an animal. Best of luck to you! Hope you had a Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays. Happy Hunting!
@markgrant3653 yes, you can. However your gun is not manufactured to the same tolerances as modern cartridges. Like I said, for most folks hunting there’s nothing special about these cartridges. However, acting like they don’t excel at what they were designed to do is silly. Pretending there’s not advantages to a modern cartridge from a loading / long range target shooting perspective is also silly.
bUt hOw aRe tHeY DiFfErEnT?!?!?! You talked about them individually, but there was no VS anywhere.
The lack of hard data is astounding..... 6.5 cm vs prc ballistics is what most want to see
It was a pretty comical video.
@@higgenbotham He moonlights as a comedian.
What I would really like to see is a comprehensive comparison of 6.5 creed, 6.5 PRC, and 6.5-284. I know the 6.5-284 is less popular, but it is a very capable round.
i mean, its the same bullet just faster so its more lbs of energy on target its not hard to figure out
PRC is about 100m/s faster than the 6.5CM, and only about 45m/s faster than the 6.5X55
Thanks for clarifying that millimeters are metric, lol
G5 😂
People in the US are still learning. Metric measurement has only been standard for over 100 years.
I still use Moon-landing units.
@@Ratkill9000 also known as space crash units? www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-oct-01-mn-17288-story.html?_amp=true
@@chippyjohn1 depends on the Americans. i work with metric and imperial.
All these new cartridges in 6.5 do not measure up to the original American 6.5....the .256 Newton. That cartridge has been around since the 1920’s. I have an original Charles Newton rifle chambered for this cartridge along with a number of custom rifles I have build myself. The brass was once produced by Jamison International a few years ago and I bought 2000 just in case. The .256 Newton performs just as Charles Newton designed it! It is good for all American game animals as well as long range targets out to 1200 to 1300 meters. Charles Newton knew what he was doing long before many others were even born. If I had to give up all my rifles but one I would keep my .256 Newton!
Take a drink every time this commenter says 'Newton'. You won't last a minute 😂😂😂. Great job Mr. Newton.
Put the 6 creedmoor in the PRC case ?
Could you guys start making some more brass and ammo? I just bought a new 6.5 PRC rifle and I can't find a single box of Hornady 6.5 Match ammo. I can't even find 6.5 PRC Hornady brass.
Not much hard information here
That's what I thought.
I mean, who cares about velocities at various ranges, bullet drop with assorted loads, or sample group sizes anyway? It's all about the case's appearance! :)
Try comparing the six five PRC to the 264 Magnum
Per reloading manuals, the 6.5 PRC and the .264 Win Magnum are close in the 130 gr and up category. PRC 250 fps faster with 120 bullets. Same length barrel.
Its a shame that count Dooku isn't shooting this cartridge, just talking about it
I've never felt 4 minutes have been wasted more than on this video, I've not only learned nothing, I feel like I've lost a braicell or two
Agree! I expected more from this comparison
You can't teach a rock
The 6.5 creedmoor is not a long range big game hunting caliber
Agree. Not my idea of a long range Elk cartridge.
Thats what I thought but I took down a cow elk at 450 yards last year with one shot. I don't think I would shoot past that. But was very impressed.
@@oncall21 Was wondering if anyone would call him out on that. We hunt elk in the mountains of Mt and our elder statesman ( Who has killed somewhere around 40 bulls ) says 30-06 is a bare minimum for elk. I shoot 7RUM and most of our group shoots 300Winmag. We prefer the elk to drop, not run. An extra mile where we hunt might be an extra day's pack out.
What do you mean? 147 grain eldx has 1587 foot pounds of energy at 400 yards
Great explanation.
25-06 out do all of them. No thanks.
LOL Actually it doesn't. A saami spec 25-06 has a 1:10 twist rate barrel. That means it can't shoot longer more aerodynamic bullets. Bullet selection for 257 cal is pretty small. I put a new barrel on my 25-06 and built a 6.5-06. The 6.5-06 was originally called the 256 Newton back in 1913. It superior to the 25-06 in every way.
@@TexanUSMC8089 I had an original Newton given to me by an uncle. Should have never sold. I agree with your comment about BC making a difference at long distances. But I do not shoot competition. I just want hunt (ethically) to hit hard out to about 600 yds. My handloads of 120gr. bullet doing 3250 far out do a Needmoor.
@@TexanUSMC8089 SAMI doesn't spec rifling twist.
I see nothing special or new here. 264 win mag - and the old standby 243 have filled all these niches nicely. Show me how I'm wrong.
Go to any sporting goods store and find me some 264 win mag..
IF you do find any, it'll be $45-$80/box of 20.
How about rifle options? Exactly.
6.5cm is special because it's readily available, affordable, and it just works.
@@demitrisolvinski You are correct in the fact that finding a factory rifle would be difficult. And factory ammo also expensive but I could find what I needed to have this caliber again without breaking the bank. I would seek the 264 WM again because a large portion of my life experience with this rifle.
The saami spec 243 has a 1:10 twist barrel. That means it's better with bullets from 75-90gr. The 6CM has a 1:8 twist, so it shoots a much longer more aerodynamic bullet. 103eldx -108eld bullets. They're far less effected by wind and lose speed at a much slower rate. I'd say the 243 shoots varmint rounds better though.
The 264 Win Mag is a pretty good cartridge, but saami spec gives it a 1:9 twist barrel. It holds a lot more powder than the PRC, but can't shoot the heavier more aerodynamic bullets as well. A modern 264 Win Mag would have a 1:8 twist barrel, and a longer throat. Then you could load it with 147gr bullets and have a longer range hunting cartridge.
I like cars made in the 30's to 70's, but the fact is, they produced less power and got a lot worse mpg. It's kind of the same with guns. If your deer are less then 150 yards away, then the tried and true 30-30 will be great. If you're hunting pronghorn in Wyoming, then you need all the help you can get to reach out there and battle the wind. Now days they have chronographs and computers and cnc machines to improve cartridges,
Literally on fire, huh 🤦♂️
You beat me to it
The guy that works for the company pronounces it horna-dee. Why tf do so many people insist on saying horna-day?
Ignorance is Bliss.
So many are Blissful ...
A ballistic comparison between all 3 and also between the 6mm creed and the 243 would have been much more helpfull and professional, please?
No comparison, 6.5 anything is better than .243 lmao
Watching this and it sounds like he doesn't know the 6 and 6.5 is for mili metres, 243 and 264 and all that jazz.
There're been 6.5's long before the Creedmoore. So don't think the Creedmoore started all the buzz about 6.5 long range shooting, the world has been using 6.5 x 55 fir a long time.
I had a .260 Remington and loved it but regretfully had to sell it. when i was able i bought a .308 and last year bought a 6.5 Creedmoor. truth is though i would be fine with a 6.5 Grendel for the range i would shoot.
Someone needs to jump on the .264 long action train---6.5-06? Your call to improve it (ackely).
that would be so badass in a factory gun. Ballistics are insane, everything the 6.5x284 Norma wishes it could be
I love my 264 win mag. But it'd to long for assult rifles.
6.5-06 would be a standard action. 6.5 STW & 6.5-300 Wby Mag are long action.
You know that's already an existing cartridge right?
6.5 ought 6 cartridge been around for a long time.
You should have done the 7mm PRC. There is the point of diminishing returns with 6,5mm Magnum. Bigger Case, more barrel burning etc. for just about 200fps more. Very specific cartridge. A 7mm PRC would also be mor suitable for LR Hunting. Nobody wants a barrel of 26"+ these days. Max. should be 24" for LR Hunting.
Greetings from a german weapon engineer.
Terence totally agree. Should have designed it around heavy 7mm projectiles, 175gr and up. Not only better for hunting and easier on barrels, but superior BC that pays dividends in windage. Greetings from a fellow engineer.
7mm Blaser Magnum. It's already here.
The problem with the Blaser is that you can't buy loaded ready to shoot, off the shelf ammo.....
It was designed to reach the max velocity within the rules for PRS competitions and work in a short action. This wouldn’t be obtainable with the heavier 7mm bullets
Totally agree
Can some explain to this noob what a cartridge is? I'm looking to get into long range shooting with a 22" complete upper 6.5 Creedmoor from Aero Precision. When you mention "different cartridge" between the 6.5 CM & PRC, what exactly do you mean? Will I need a whole new rifle to shoot the PRC? I'm lost. Sorry, guys.
A cartridge is the actual ammo your rifle takes. 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5 PRC are two different cartridges so you you will need a whole new rifle to shoot the PRC.
I was hoping to hear differance between them to help me choose my next precision rifle chamber...but you said they all do exactly the same thing
The prc has more energy than a 30-06 past 160 yards.
PRC uses .300 magnum compact necked down cartridge, which allows for more powder, flatter trajectory, harder hitting, and more accurate.
well all and most cartridge do the same thing in a sense of going bang sending a projectile down range.
Will the 6.5 PRC match any thing else or is it 6.5 prc a only chamber ?
So the 6.5 PRC is pretty much equal to a 6.5-284 or a 6.5 Rem Mag thats been out for many many years. But im sure the the prc is the latest greatest thing tho. ha ha ha
Works better in a short action design, takes advantage of long high bc bullets better, easy to load for, inherently accurate, low recoil
I ran a 6.5 /284 , at around 3000 FPS . Great at 1000yds . But a barrel burner ! (900 rounds and it was burnt out ) how many rounds will a PRC last ?
Probably not many more....look how much powder is in that cartridge! Slower burn powder for sure
When you shoot that much just get a .308, it will last much longer. I have a Mossberg patriot predator 6.5PRC. I doubt I would ever shoot 300 rounds out of it, yet alone 1000-2500. The way it's going, I may never get to shoot it. I bought it this week and can't find ammo. I was sad to hear the guy behind the counter say, "it comes with two boxes of ammo for purchase, only we ran out of ammo for it".
1730 average according to these guys th-cam.com/video/2w50IsO1W3Y/w-d-xo.html. It just slightly affects long range ballistics as 99.% of the barrel is fine, its just a small area right before the lands that gets "burned out"
So how long till they come out with the 6mm PRC?
I think he thought he was speaking about the 6.5 Swede when he said "time honoured". The Creedmoor cartridges are still in my opinion new fad cartridges. Let's see if any of these will be popular in 10 more years like the 308 Win, 243 Win of the 6.5 x 55 Swede are now.
LOL. So true. The 6.5 Needmoor has a long, long way to go to be as "time honored" like the 6.5 Swede.
Typical old farts can’t accept that new and better calibers are here to stay, the 6.5 Creedmoor has been around for 10 years now and it’s getting better than ever
Never said it wasn't popular, fan boy. There are always people looking to get the newest "Gucci" cartridge to compensate for their poor shooting. When it gets to be 120 years old like the 6.5 Swede, then you can call it "time honored" all you like.
6.5 CM is just a short-action 6.5x55mm. I know there are some minor differences and you can load heavier bullets in the long-action cartridge, but for most people's shooting they're ballistically identical, like 7mm-08 and 7x57mm. 7mm-08 and 6.5 CM will stick around for the same reasons that the older, long-action cartridges will. Because they do what they do, but in a shorter, lighter, handier rifle. Most modern rifles are built first for the shorter action, and having a .308 Win parent case means far greater availability and compatibility with more rifles than 6.5x55 or 7x57. These cartridges do the same thing, but they're available in the common shorter actions of today. That's no gimmick.
6.5 PRC might not last, it's a shorter 6.5-284, a less popular cartridge to begin with (though greatly respected for it's capabilities). But 6.5 PRC like 6.5 CM has some real advantages and it has better external ballistics than anything with less recoil, and is only significantly surpassed by cartridges with much more recoil. 6.5 PRC is a light magnum cartridge, if I recall correctly it has the recoil energy of a heavy .30-06. In other words, it's the perfect long-range cartridge for many people. That's about the limit of recoil for many people before it becomes unpleasant. Good power for hunting or very long range shooting.
6mm CM might not last, but if you want to shoot a 6mm cartridge out of a box magazine at long range with factory it's the obvious choice. It fits the heavier 6mm bullets within magazine OAL limits better than the .243 Win, and unlike all it's other rivals factory ammo is available. It's not that 6mm CM performs any better than 6mm Dasher. Velocity is a little higher in the CM, but the Dasher is slightly more efficient and gets you probably the best recoil for external ballistics deal there is. But Dasher and the other 6mm .308 Win parent case cartridges seen in competition are all handloader cartridges, except the CM and .243 Win (though you'll probably have to handload heavy bullets for .243 Win and may need an usual twist rate). 6 CM is an effective and very competitive turnkey solution.
But if we're talking 6mm ARs, these low-power .308 Win parent case 6mm cartridges almost overlap with the most powerful AR-15 6mm cartridges, like the 6mmAR variants (which are essentially 6.5 Grendel necked down to 6mm, including also the 6mm FatRat and 6mm Grinch). So if it's an AR, it may make sense to sacrifice 200fps and get the snaller-frame AR-15 rather than a bigger, heavier, more expensive, and likely less reliable gun designed for .308 Win.
Paelorian you seem to be pretty familiar with the differences between these rounds. Something I am wondering (and on which I haven’t found any real comparative info) is the differences between 6.5 PRC and 6.5-284, especially ballistically. I know the PRC was made so it could fit in a short action, but that’s about it. Would you be able to give me a very brief explanation of the differences? I am mainly interested in one or the other for long range hunting and shooting. Thank you!
6mm is .244 just saying
The 6mm Creedmoor uses a .243" bullet.
I dont know what to get
Scott Buckley. What do you have already?
@@christsrevenge8030 I'm shooting a 6.5 sweed through a AG 42b rifle
@@christsrevenge8030 also have buddy's with some really ice bolt action aet ups in 6.5 creedmore
Scott Buckley. Right on! Well there you go! Have you compared it yet along side a .270 Winchester model 70. We shoot and maintain the old rifles here. Some get bold and buy the fancy new calibre rifles. Usually the guys that use cocaine and have too much time, money and tattoos on their ass. To me, that creedomore rifle is same concept as .308 design. Shorter cartridge with explosive powder. Worked good for the .308 because of heavier grain and larger bore. See no real advantage to .270 except the marketing. Grandpa bought .308 way back when they first come out. Lever action, magazine hehe! What a combination! Think he wanted to upgrade his trusty 303 British. Was a thin barrel and probably shot full metal jacket during training and wore the barrel out somewhat.
6,5x55 I say no more 😎👍
Svein Olav Hallager You bet! With handloads the Swede will do anything the Creedmoor will with about 10000 pounds less chamber pressure.
Yeah the 6.5x55 is still my favorite cartridge after all these years. Crazy high BC 140gr bullets at 2800+fps has dropped everything I have ever shot at with one shot every time. Oh and it will stack shot after shot through the same hole at 100yd. I could not imagine anything more impressive then that, and just as icing on the cake it's low recoil makes it a joy to shoot unlike some of the magnums I own.
Right on Jared. I love my Swedes. My 1900 M1896 is my most accurate Rifle. Love those Factory Bull Barrels. I love the 140 Gr. Hornady A-Max Bullets with 43 Gr. of H4350 Powder. I can hit a Golf Ball at 100 Yards with the IRON SIGHTS.! I also have and still use the 139Gr. Norma Bullets used in the Swede M/41 Military Ammo.
LOL The 6.5x55 is great and been around since 1895, but it doesn't fit well in a US standard short action. That's why most are in old Mauser mid length actions.
Nice video, nice explanation, but those figures, or mesurements are in inches, it's nightmare! What is that shit like .55786"?
Man, go METRIC!
Our troops need a better round with more knock down power and more range. It's not hard and shouldn't take years. They dumbed down the 556 and then made the barrels shorter. Is the government on our side
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Mark McIntosh they had it, it’s called a 30-06. Semi auto w massive knockdown. Jus needed to modernize it
@@bronsoncashiola1426 they did modernize it back in the 50's called it 308 winchester
US Special Operations Command americanshootingjournal.com/militarys-new-caliber-6-5-creedmoor/
At the average combat range, It really doesn't matter on un armoured targets.
Literally means...literally...so don't say literally unless you mean it, well, literally...I think you meant figuratively...Totally different, means totally...There are similarities between the two rounds outside of bullet diameter, so therefore, not totally different...
Thank you Professor phucktard
Can we just please make a good 8 or 9mm round?? Why do we keep going smaller and smaller? I already have a 22lr.. don't need another
This guy said nothing I couldn't gleen from reading the box that says 6.5 mm or 6mm... what a waste of my time
6.5 creedmoor didn't fill any gaps in any way. It was just a vessel for hornady to market a "new" round. Something which they knocked out of the park obviously.
Military just adopted it as their new sniper round.........supposedly
It filled the great ballistics and minimal recoil gap while still offering great terminal effects on game. With quality affordable ammo
6.5 Creedmore will do everything. Mine makes an excellent lasagne.
I would never take a 6.5 Creedmoor elk hunting, she a little light in the loafers
So basically the 6.5 PRC is a 6.5 WSM with 5 degrees less shoulder angle.
Wow, wicked case of the Olds.. I couldn't finish this vid. They need a video guy that experienced not fud
Just talk in millimeters please. Going back and forth to inch is silly.
He's letting people know that the 6.5CM is better than the 260 remington, and the 6CM is better than the 243.
Wouldn’t a .270WSM be a good choice for long range shooting as well?
NO There aren't any 277 cal bullets with a high BC. 264cal/6.5mm have a 625BC in a 143gr bullet. The 277 cal have very few options at 500BC and the rifles all have a 1:10 twist, so they may not shoot it well. I much prefer the 7mm WSM over the 270WSM. It's all about bullet selection and barrel twist.
I would like to see a "real" Magnum 6.5. One that would take a long action. I would like to see a 150 - 165 over 3100fps.
If thats what your looking for, chech out the 6.5 STW or 6.5-300 Weatherby Mag
@@davidoakley3256 I saw an ad for that in a magazine just this morning at work. it looks awesome but I'm not interested in paying 70 bucks a box I'll wait for hornady to make one!!
@@adamcostilla1692 they are pricy, but unfortunately with todays market you will probably never see new long action cartridges. The Reminton Ultra Mag line of cartridges showed that if it doesn't fit into an AR10 or AR15 pattern rifle, it wont be a commercial success in the modern shooting world.
@@adamcostilla1692 I'll just add, I do own a 8mm RemMag, a 375H&H, and a 338 RUM. So mabie im just used to paying to much for ammo. But I do love the feel of those long action mags.
@@davidoakley3256 you're right my generation is dumb. Lol
Came here to learn about the prc round.... saw a picture of one
th-cam.com/video/7rIIb3YSPj4/w-d-xo.html
I don't know how applicable this cartridge is when it is "Literally on fire".... I feel like the fire will damage either me or my firearm... ^o^
6.5 Creedmoor has Literally been on fire.
6.5 cm is crazy awesome!!! My buddy had a browning xbolt hunter 6.5 cm factory amo 140 soft point and he out perform us with custom 308 7mm08 n a 300 mag out to 400 m with 50mph winds !!! No joke ! so i got me a custom made 6.5 cm the next weekend lmfao it a great round I recommend it to everybody
I shoot by myself most of the time and I find it difficult with my 308 and even my 270 to spot my shots because of recoil. I have more fun show a smaller calibers touches my 223. Im considering selling my 308 and looking into a 6mm or 243 winchester. Any impute would be appreciated. I want a fast cartridge but dont want to go much higher then a 12lb recoil impulse.
I've owned the 243 and it's great to shoot.
Check out the 6mm ARC.
Hornady, why did you waste all this time redesigning the wheel? 6.5X55 was designed a long time ago and is still better and more popular. You are not going to get ahead if you still use imperial measurement to show dimensions of a cartridge. It just shows how behind you are on R&D.
There are wayyyyyy better 6.5's out there.
4 minutes wasted!
0 useful information!
6.5 Creedmoor is a big hit because it's easy on shooters, easy on guns, it's economic from a reloaders standpoint and you can convert just about any .308 with a simple barrel swap. The 6.5 PRC tries to hard at something that can be better achieved by many other well established calibers. I don't see this one lasting or achieving widespread success like the Creedmoor. 🤔
Agreed. My thoughts exactly. 6.5 Creed hit the sweet spot for a majority of shooters. Covers a great range of game for hunting. Quality ammo that's affordable and availabile. Great ballistics. All with little recoil.
That's exactly why I shoot one- I'm an ex-7mm Rem Mag owner that now has pins, bolts, and screws in my shoulder from falling 25 ft. The creed is much easier on the hardware.
Don't forget 6.5 creedmoor is also good for moose
What is your thaughts about the 22 creedmoor
Where I live and hunt, 100 gr. 243. Inside 200 yrds= venison. But debate on folks..
All three of those cartridges will do the same...and at much longer distances if needed. lol
Is the prc here to stay? Would like to order a rifle using it but don’t want it to fade away fast and make getting factory ammo a real chore.
Did he just say “time honored” for a 10yr old cartridge?
And no, it was NOT literally on fire, as brass doesn’t burn. 🙄
Mabie he ment time honoured among young percision shooters. There can be no way he ment time honoured among hunters, like the 6.5x55 Sweed, 6.5x54 MS or the 264WM.
6.5 in general is time honorable
So is the PRC a new case or what was its parent ?
Hornady, you need to make an equivalent of a Sierra Match King, Berger VLD, or a Lock Base for a 160-165 grain .264" bullet for loading in a .264 Win Mag. My estimate is that a 160 grain, low drag, .264" projectile would have a BC of ~0.850 if fired at a velocity of 2,900 fps. The projectile would still be supersonic at 2,000 yards and has similar drop to a 750 grain .50 BMG A-Max. This would be huge and you guys would pretty much own the market for the heavier, long-range 6.5 bullets.
NRAdude already 155's out there for your bigger .264 guns, 26 nosler, 6.5x284, and 6.5-300 weatherby. The problem with these in the 264 win mag, which I own a sako, twists rates are almost always 1-9 for the lighter bullets. Unless it's a custom 264 win by then it's a 1-9 which sucks for all the vld's. So hornady doenst really need to, it's already done....
It is amazing to me how no one wants to compare the 264 Win Mag to any of the "new" cartridges, maybe because it is so much better the only things faster are the Weatherby 6.5-300 and the 26 Nosler but they burn a lot more powder. The barrel burn is not nearly as bad as people say especially if you take into account the better barrel components we have now days.
It could be compared, but factory barreled 264 Win Mag's are chambered in 1 in 9" twist barrels, making it hard to stabilize the high BC long bullets that the new cartridges can stabilize accurately.
Hornady Manufacturing that is factory twist barrels if you go one step further to replacement or top shelf custom builds you can get a 1:7.5 twist which should stabilize a Bullet of this design which is the true shooters of this cartridge.
From what I've been able to find, the 155 grain 6.5mm projectiles don't have the contour of a VLD and have pretty crappy coefficients at least in the factory loads they're sold in. Most of them appear to be hunting or sporting projectiles similar to solids from what I could find. Have you found a 155 that's designed similar to a VLD or a lock-base?
I'll just keep shooting my 6,5*55
My 100+ yo. Swede 6.5 x55 is always in the car first for the trip to the range.
Informative video. Thanks!
I wonder how the ELD holds up in the prc, 180 eld-m blow up at speeds over 2950 in my WSM, will the 6.5 eld stay in one piece, who knows but loaded with Bergers that may be a different animal
so if my rifle shoots 6.5 creedmore, can it accept 6.5 prc?
Negative
Grow a pair and get the 338 lapua
Easy boys and be nice. OK, 6.5 CM= 260 Rem; 6 CM = .243 win; 6.5 PCR - I am sure is an also ran, 7mm Rem mag. Everyday, 300yrd cartridge, I will stick with .308; I like that family. I'll tell you one that got away from us, that is really a great hunting and property defense cartridge is the 6.8 SPC... maybe we should do a 6.5 SPC? (!)
Are the 6.5 PRC factory rifles using Hornady factory ammo generally more accurate than say factory 7mm rem mag rifles shooting Hornady factory ammo (162g ELDX)? The 6.5PRC has equal or better trajectory out to 1000 yds than the 7mm rem mag but with less energy. I am wanting to hunt long range deer and elk beyond 500yds but my factory 7mm mag struggles to stay under MOA (1.25-1.5) at 100. Therefore accuracy becomes the limiting factor beyond 500 with the 7mm mag, considering upgrading to the 6.5PRC or possibly the 7 PRC.
I'm still waiting for the 22 Creedmore loaded with an 88 grain ELD-M.
Maybe Hornady can get it right where Federal failed with the 224 Valkire.
if you're waiting for something you should learn to spell it.
grr ummmpee I’ll spell it right when give it to us lol
They already done did it. They named it a 22-6mm Remington. Or if you like changing barrels, you “improve” it and rename it. “The Texas Trophy Hunter” I sold my 22-250’s and 25-05 AI when the houses replaced the hay fields.
Can't see how you'd even try to compare 6.5 creed VS 6.5prc
Hi there and good video, I have to say that the 264 win mag has the 6.5 PRC by a lot 140 SST doing 3015 and gives 1/4 inch group. I’m not saying that the 6.5 PRC ain’t a good round , I have a 6.5 Creedmoore and love it but the 264 Beats it in the long run due to higher velocity and more energy energy , the difference is right around 250 foot pounds of energy difference between the 264 and 6.5 Creedmore. Is anyone going to make the 6.5 PRC in a semi automatic Version? Anyways I did enjoy your video. I’ll be getting a 6.5 PRC when I can find or make with a 26 inch barrel. What is the case that you guys made the 6.5 PRC off of? The case for the PRC reminds me of a Winchester short mag case and one of the rifles that I would like to make is the 6.5 WSM but I think I’m going to have to make that with a gun Smith. I hope you have a great night.
All I could think as watched this old fool ramble was that he must have been alive when the .264 was invented yet apparently has no idea it exists and is better. .260 and .264 both beat the new stuff by a country mile.
Yes, but who wants to dicker with a belted magnum case, when you can have a non belted magnum case? If I see a belt, I don't even want to mess with handloading them. So for that reason alone, the PRC in 300 is a great addition to the already good list of magnum calibers.
If the 6.5 prc is the creedmores mag then what is the .264 win mag. I don't know about the velocity of these 3 but the .264 win mag will shoot 140gr at 3300fps with the right load. Heck you can buy box 140gr rem core lokt that shoots almost 3100fps. I'd say that's pretty good. All of these .264 rounds and no one thought to make a .264 round that shoots 160gr at 3000 to 3200fps. That would be the cats ass for 1k yds. If your shoulder could take it.
Didn’t the Swedes figure this out in 1896?dont like metric go .260 Rem neck down .308 case simple. Lots of cheap brass,done. Just like the lures are to catch the fishermen all these new calibers just keep us buying stuff we don’t need. I started with a K96 Mauser when I was a kid. Gone full circle with a safe full of rifles and calibers right back to 6.5 is the going fad. What’s next? Creed more ultra mag AI?Got to have it!
Why they don't just make better bullets for existing 243 , 270 and 7mm ?
What gun cases are those sitting on?
They are Beretta Retriever Rifle Cases. www.midwayusa.com/product/924458/beretta-retriever-rifle-case-49-nylon-green-tan
can i shoot 6.5 creedmoor in my ruger precision 6mm creedmoor?
Late reply but no.
If you want to shoot 6.5 creedmoor in your rifle, you will need to swap the barrel. That is all you need to change.
overrated and tired of hornadys big claims,,,,,,,gee the 6.5x55 and 260, can edge the creedmoor by a good 100 fps,,,,, the 22 creedmoor is a 22-250 ackley the 6mm creedmoor is the same as the a the 6mm -250 improved, the 6.5 prc is a beltless copy of the 6.5 rem mag. and a full 200 fps behind the old 264 mag,,,,,,,new ,, improved ? where and how ?
Kerry Purcell shut the hell up, they are still family owned and probably the best company out there.
I compete with the 6.5 Creedmoor and hunt with the 6.5 PRC.
Are you saying they are totally different?
so thats but one i need to know whats the differences long range hitting 6.5 Grendel to the old 243 WSSM bullet .
Why?
What’s the diff between 6.5 (264 ) to .277 half the thickness of a sheet of paper.
Just get a .270 win. with a 24 inch barrel and go hunting.🇨🇦🤠
Because there aren't a very large selection of bullets in 277 cal. If you hunt out west where the wind blows 20+ mph, and you need to shoot at longer ranges, a more aerodynamic bullet will make a big difference. The 6.5mm/264 cal has a far more aerodynamic bullet selection. Many people shoot a 270 with 130gr bullets. Mostly under 400 BC. A 130gr bullet in 6.5 is well over 500BC. A 143gr bullet in 6.5 has a 625 BC. That means that the 270 bullet at 300 yards in a 20mph cross wind will blow over twice as far off target as the 6.5 bullet. Bullet selection for the 270 has improved in the last 5 years. You can now get 140-145gr bullets with about a 500BC. Wind is the biggest problem for shooting past 200 yards. If you're pronghorn is 400 yards away and no way to get closer...6.5 really increases your chances.
The 6 creedmoor will it shoot as good as a 243 Winchester try group in both and see what happens
It's the morons using 6.5 creedmore on things like elk beyond 800 yards that gets me...
95+% of hunters simply ain't that good
i bought a 6.5 crm for deer out to 400 yards from what i read anything out past 400 yads then the 30.06 takes over for knock down power
@@zacshorkey5738 6.5 CM was designed start to finish as a target or match round. The thing was never meant for hunting.
Ok cool it has a flatter trajectory than .308. it's also 60 years newer from conception to manufacture. I'm thinking yeah tech, science, ballistics, understanding of all the above improved over that time. But it doesn't change the fact that it was never meant as a hunting round.
A 22lr will kill a moose or bear. A bullet to the heart is a bullet to the heart regardless of calibre, ballistics etc etc.
At least in Canada, the minimum legal hunting calibre is .243. I'd never use that on anything bigger than a mule deer.
Wanna use 6.5? Cool! Just please make sure it's good shot placement!
@@jace2wheel762 I understand what your saying to an extent. But when you mention the .243 being the minimum caliber allowed in Canada as if that is a superior round compared to the 6.5......you do realize that the 6.5 is bigger than the .243? and yes, no matter what cartridge is used, 300 win mag or .243, shot placement is everything and should be the main focus to any ethical hunter.
@@scottl9308 lol dude. I was just saying. I'm quite certain a 24(243) calibre isn't quite as big at a 26(6.5) calibre.
But I also wouldn't be comfortable using a 308 on a bear. But a 300 win I'd be good with.
Both are 30 Cal right?
The 6.5 is a fantastic round. Just not a hunting round. So if it's used in that capacity? Cool! Just be ethical about it.
Too many morons shoot to wound from way too far, just so they can track the animal down and kill it up close.
If you're a hunter it's kinda like being a sniper. 1 shot, 1 kill. Not maim from 600 yards and kill from 20 yards
@@jace2wheel762 I've seen plenty of bear taken with a 308. otherwise, I agree 100 percent with everything else you just said. alot of bad hunters giving good ethical hunters a bad name. "there's alot more horses asses then there are horses "
but which one do I pick if I want to hunt goats at long distance??!
I've learned nothing from this.
Neither did anyone else. The presenter should be a politician. Lots of talk and no information that wasn't already obvious.
For hunting I'm sticking with my 257 STW and no, I'm not going to burn the barrel out in my lifetime. Pull trigger, load up dead deer,
Thanks for living in reality. I'm sick of all the Toyota Tundra- driving mall snipers who are talking about burning barrels, when they only get to shoot 3 times a year.
ok boomer
I hope they do a 7mm PRC....
There's already a lot of 7mm's. It would simply do the same thing that something we already have is doing right NOW.
That would be similar to a 7 SAUM that failed. It shouldn't have, but it did.
Anyone tried shooting long range with the 30 tc by hornady
It seems to me that a lot of the long range bench rest interest brought about the 6.5-284, and the others “came tumbling after” like Jane. I have loaded a lot of Hornsby bullets into cases over the past 50+ years, but I do believe that this is a factory sponsored ad campaign. Other than a few cursory case dimensions, there is no real information to be gleaned from this presentation.
As these large capacity cartridges are developed, it would be a good thing to extend the barrel length to 26” or even 28” to allow setting the barrels back as the throat is eroded, while allowing more of the powder time to burn inside the bore.
The reason (6.5 Creedmoor) it's been "on fire" is people on every TV gun show/outdoors/sportsman channel wont stop promoting it and trying to sell it. You see here they did not even mention the .260 Rem, or the 6.5 Swedish Mauser which is all the rest of them's BABY DADDY :)
6.5 cartridge development predates the Swedish mauser. They also weren't the only nation of that era to adopt 6.5 cartridges for the military. While I love 6-7mm military cartridges, they don't come anywhere near the performance of 6.5 creedmoor. It is an excellent cartridge, shorter, lighter action, incredible performance (if you deny this I doubt you have shot past 600 yds much if at all and certainly not in the 1200-1400yd range), standard bolt face, etc. The cartridge is convenient, available, efficient, and with excellent performance to boot. Plenty of great cartridges out there but 6.5 creedmoor should surpass 308 as the go-to standard, full-power rifle cartridge in America if it hasn't already.
6.5 Creedmoor
160 grain Horn RN Interlock #2640
40.6 grain H4350=2550fps / 2300ft-lbs
2.740" Rem9-1/2Mag Horn case
1/2" - 3/4" @ 100yds
@markgrant3653
Thank you !
What about the 6.5-300 Weatherby?
Too many family members in the 6.5 family tree😂
One first day of Bear season, a hunter almost ran up to me; sweating, red faced and breathing heavy.
He said to me “ do you know anything about guns”? I replied, yes what do you need?
He proceeded to show me a Model 700 Remington in 7mm Remington. The bolt was fully cycled back, with a Shell half in, and half out, of the barrel
The Extractor Claws, have been pulled away from the shell had been jammed.
The man had tried to load a 7mm Remington with a 7mm Mag Shell. Needless to say, his season was screwed.
I see this 6.5 thing going to be another First Day of Bear Season for Someone 👎
We shouldn't limit options and progress because of people that are to stupid to use a gun
ipodhty
Sometimes as they say,
“You Can’t Fix Stupid”😂
@@genekelley7579 Hold my beer.....
That's just stupidity. That person should have spent more time shooting his rifle before he went hunting.
If you want to compare to something, compare to the 6.5 x 55 is what I'd like to see.
The 6.5CM is very close ballistic wise. The CM was designed to shoot in a standard US short action rifle. The 6.5x55 really needs a mid length receiver or long action.
Why you even made this video?
Is there really much difference between a .243 win and a 6mm creed ballistics wise?
It’s the same as the .260 vs 6.5 cm. The main different is the 6mm cm case allows you more room for longer bullets, allowing you to shoot long, heavy, more ballistic efficient bullets. If you’re shooting federal fusions or Remington core lokts, then they’re about the same. The cm case is just slightly shorter allowing you to shoot the longer bullets while still being the same overall length.
6mm creed ? Isnt that a 243 win as they both are based on the 308 cartridge.
Different patent cases but basically same performance. It’s all marketing. 6 creed doesn’t do anything a fast twist 243 could do.
literally on fire?!?
Thank god hornady came out with the heat shield technology, or we would never hit targets at long range!!!!
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Well this is a first for me, i have never given a thumbs down to a Hornaday video...that being said this is it ...I am sick of hearing about this crap
Then don’t watch the video? Pretty easy solution.
Let's be real the only reason you buy a 6.5 or 6mm creedmoore is for the guys that don't reload and want to say they shoot long range. 260 or 260ai have been around way longer and can do more when handloaded. I do however love the cheap brass for my 22 creedmoore
I don't think the AI is as optimized for auto feeding, and that's all the craze right now: super accurate and packable autos in big power short action rifles.
Glad I wasted my time watching this utter lack of information.