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- The crossover between long-range precision shooting and hunting is undeniable these days. The line is more blurred than ever. On impact, the terminal requirements for success are very different. Is the 6mm Creedmoor the perfect deer cartridge for most folks, or does it leave a person under gunned? How important is spotting impacts for targets and game? Listen as we chat through the attributes of this petite powerhouse.
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It’d be great to hear you guys talk about the .257 Weatherby!
As far as hunting with your kid and 6 creed vs 223…. Huge benefit that 223 has over 6creed is cost of ammo!!! Really loving this series…
Ammo cost can be a big deal. You might be able to justify both the 223 and 6mm CM if you plan to shoot several hundreds of rounds of ammo at the range. This might mean sharing the optic, though.
But most states will not allow you to deer hunt with a .223 @ least in VA & TN
@@thomaspalmer7900 interesting. I always forget about that side… here in Montana there are no caliber laws for big game. You can legally attempt to hunt deer with a 22lr if you want… or a 17hmr. It’s not even required to be a centerfire cartridge.
@@greasemonkey4god that’s fantastic!!! Here in VA it has to be above .223 I I’m wanting to get into coyote hunting here. Just purchased a 6.5 Creedmoor Savage rifle. Not has opportunity to shoot it yet due to cold weather but hope to soon.
Yeah, cause we all know those stupid kids can really go through some ammo while trying to kill a deer! Sorry, I certainly don't have a lot of money but when I think of taking my kids hunting, ammo cost differential does not even enter my mind
I have both a 6mm and 6.5 Creedmoor, love them both. The 6mm is my favorite rifle for shooting 1000 and 1200 yards, consistently 5”-6” groups. It is a much better cartridge than the 243 Winchester for long range. A great starter for a teenager for hunting and target shooting.
I went with a 6.5 Grendel for my kids first deer rifle. The 6 ARC was not out at the time. Either one is good to the distance they will shoot.
Agreed. I bought an upper before the 6mm ARC came out as well. However, I love the Grendel.
I have wanted a 6.5 G for some time now. And the kids first "Their deer gun" figured into that.
I like what I am seeing from the 6mm ARC.
But I cannot pass up a good deal. Picked up a 350 legend upper from the Labor Day sale. My oldest claimed it as hers lol.
You all have a happy New Years.
I have killed 32 Roedeer and 4 wild Boar in the last two years with my 6,5 Grendel. Perfect 👌🏻
@@tomlongbow Tom, there is a Texas hunter that thermal scope night hunts for feral hogs. The 6.5 Grendel is his tool of choice. I have followed him for a while now. And got to see first hand how the different bullet options in the Grendel do on the wiley hogs on the lone star state. Channel is Carpe Sus if you want to check em out. Good info on terminal performance.
@@mot0rhe4d40 he was the one that inspired me to go that route. Thanks for the heads up though. 👍🏻
Great talk as usual. How about talking about the 300 Savage?
🎯 For competition shooting, this one would be hard to beat! 😯
lets stay on the talk of 6mms. I would love to hear about the 6mm Rem. I have a Rem 600 mohawk in 6mm and it was my first deer rifle and is why I got into reloading. could of been so much better as Ryan talked about it briefly in the 243 ten min talk.
Has the same problem as 243 Win, short neck. Creedmoor cartridges are designed for the heavy for caliber bullets, thats what makes them shine. If you don't ever shoot over 500 don't even worry about it just run what you got
The only thing the 6 CM has over the .243 is the longer throats and ability to shoot heavier, high BC bullets than the standard factory .243 Winchester.
I've shot both now and can see no real difference in hunting between the .243 and the 6CM. I only see a difference in long range shooting and even then it's not much.
If you own neither then a 6CM will probably be a good choice due to the potential for a little edge at long range, but if you already have a .243 then the 6CM won't really impress you any more than your .243 does.
Good point! I'll keep my 243. Dropped many a deer with it!
I think getting a 6CM rechambered to 243AI is the best of all worlds. Ability to shoot factory ammo in the 87-100gr range and load your own with the empty cases for your heavy projectiles.
243AI with Barnes 95GR LRX 🙂
Put a 115 gr pill in your 243 and then you will understand the difference
I'd argue 243 is still superior than 6CM just strictly based off of variety and availability of ammo. All of these new wildcat rounds are nice, but I doubt they'll be as long lived as any of the military derivatives.
Ummm you need to learn the definition of "wildcat". Oh and 243AI doesn't do anything for you if you mag load, still need a longer chamber that a standard short action can't handle because of the COAL needed with the heavier bullets
I have a 6XC which is practically the same as 6mm Creedmoor….absolutely brilliant cartridge, fantastic for deer, varmint and target shooting
I have a Howa 1500 sporter in 6mm Creedmoor. So far, my son has taken 4 mule deer using 108gr ELD match factory ammo at 70, 300, 320, and 420 yards. All four deer were one shot kills and fell in their tracks. It's a solid combo.
Were those high shoulder shots?
Is that a typo? Did you mean to say the 103 ELDX?
That is not a typo. I have successfully used the 108 gr ELD-Match on 4 mule deer and last month my son added an antelope. Those shots have all been just behind the shoulder or in the shoulder. The bullet comes apart but I've had exit wounds too. It really works well.
@@jimmybigtime good info thank you for sharing field experience. I’m thinking about getting a 6ARC and haven’t had an shooting with any 6mm. I’m more of a hunter and just a shooter practicing for the hunts. Have you tried any of the mono bullet types?
The 6mm ARC may perform differently with the same bullet. There's a big velocity difference between it at the 6mm Creedmoor. It's something you'll just have to try and see for yourself.
Thanks for Talking about the 6mm Creed. I love it, I own two, a 22" and a 26". Great for precision and will take up to deer size animals. Awesome cartridge.
Question do you notice a performance difference between the 2 sizes ?
@@starwarsheros9245 late reply but I saw 70-105fps difference between loadings, depending on the exact details of each load. This was from taking the exact same barrel at 26" and cutting it to 22"
Love the cartridge talk. Can we see 350 legend, 50 Beowolf, and 224 valkyrie
Been seeing a lot more 6 creedmores out at the range lately.
Humbly requesting a throwback episode for 256 Win mag attempt #5
I'll second that request for the 256 Win Mag.
In my past as a 10-13 year old ('80-'83) I shot factory 243 Win 105gr rounds. In '81 I took a pronghorn with a Ruger 77, 243 Win with a 22 inch barrel and a Weaver fixed 4 power scope and Remington 100gr Core-Lokt ammo. The range that I took that trophy pronghorn buck is too far to admit. I put 3 shots into its breadbasket and he was on his knees, then ran about 200 yards downhill so to finish him off with a 4th round from dying slowly. As an adult now, I can say and believe that out to 500 yards the 243 Win is lacking quite a bit for a large pronghorn buck. My mom was with me for this eventful experience as I was too young for the out of state license. Later in that morning after my dad and grandpa filled their tags with trophy bucks, meeting my mom and I dragging their bucks into camp, talking about where my buck was at. I had mine quartered out and caped, he was way down hill, but was on my way back for its hind quarters. Dad and grandpa judged the scene of my kill and with ghostly grey faces asked how far I had shot, I threw out a number but then realized that it was to far for my 243 Win. They stepped off the all downhill yardage and then looked at me with their evermore greying faces and told me that I need a more powerful rifle and a better scope. They both had pre '64 model 70s chambered in 270 Win, and both with fixed 6 power scopes. The last elk that my dad shot with his 270 Win was a 6×6 trophy bull that was at the bottom of a very steep Bitterroot Mountain roughly 550 yards. Thanks for reading 😊
Just bought my first new bolt action rifle yesterday - Springfield Armory Waypoint Model 2020 in 6mm Creedmoor. Currently doing some research on what scope I want to go with. Really looking forward to some range time - I wanted a rifle I could hunt with and enjoy some long range shooting. Great episode boys!
It all depends on your use. For that rifle's quality, I'd say the Razor line will suit it well. I wouldn't go any lower than the Viper line. Are you hunting or punching paper/ steel?
@@Anschutz270 Planning to do a little of both, looking for a good all around scope.
Leupold VX5 or VX6, Nightforce NXS or better.
I have a Nightforce shv on my 6 creed and love it
I have one strictly for hunting and it’s awesome. Wish it would have had a 24 inch tube. Reload 80 ttsx at 3320 and 95 partition @ 2980 and the 105 Berger vld @ 2970 all one and done on 250 and under next year going to stretch it out but smallest group was Berger at .387 largest was partition @.669 and Barnes 80 grain was .674 all 3 shot groups. . All I did was up the trigger tech black to the Diamond.
I used to shoot 6mm Remington, I don't know much about 6cm. However several years ago 6 mm for deer hunting was pretty common out in Texas. I shot a few deer 6mm .
The other thing to keep in mind is that a 243 win with a 1:10 twist will not stabilize a 100 grain copper bullet, but the 6 creed with the 1:8 twist will stabilize the copper bullets
It will, if you drive it fast enough. There's plenty of factory 100gr loadings.
@Unspecified User #429 it won't stabilize a 100 grain all copper bullet. It'll stabilize a 100 grain lead bullet because a lead bullet will be shorter and can stabilize in a 1:10 twist barrel. Of the heavy for caliber copper bullets I've looked at for my 6mm, they all say "require 1:8" twist." If you try to buy factory ammo, you won't find the high BC, heavy for caliber copper bullets for the 243 win because they can't guarantee that it'll stabilize it and because in order for the COAL to fit SAAMI spec, it would be pressed too far into the case, decreasing powder capacity, which would also make it not be pushed fast enough
@@chadillac95 Sorry mate, my mistake. I didn't read your post properly or I had a dyslexic moment because I was thinking copper jacketed.
You're right. This is actually why my next rifle will be a 26" Howa 6CM which I'll get rechambered for 243AI.
I think it's best of both worlds because I can still shoot cheap and plentiful factory copper jacketed ammo in the 80-100gr range when I want but then reload the now fireformed cases with Barnes 95gr LRX or the Outer Edge Projectiles 90gr BBT because the Howa has the 1:7.5 twist.
@@chadillac95 I mean, TECHNICALLY speaking, I was correct about how it will stabilise if you drive it fast enough from a 1:10" barrel.
That will occur at 15,000fps, so shouldn't be a problem for a 243 haha 😄
do a cartridge talk on the .444 my buddy recently got passed down a .444 marlin and weve been shooting whitetail left and right with it this past season.
I handload 240 grain bullets for mine, mild recoil and hard hitting 👍
"Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge!". You guys are so funny, classic Wisconsin conversation there. Guns and throw in a Dodgeball quote. Ryan, my favorite though is "He doesn't have any balls Cotton!"
Years ago I might a man who used 6mm exclusively. His wife loved it too. Low kick and great accuracy
Guys, great talk as ever! I have run into problems with a 243 of mine, not with bullet weight (95 grn) but via bullet length. Complete tumbling, spraying rounds circa 2 feet at 100 yards, I was aware of the weight v twist situation and thought i had that covered when I moved from Nosler 95grn bthunting to Sierra 95grn TGK , but I found out that without doubt, length also maters a lot! (the age old question answered) All the best guys. (still hoping for the 6.5x47 lap talk one day)
Josh, in Scotland.
@Vortex Nation Podcast Can you guys do a podcast on bullets? Different designs, metals, alloys, tips, twist rates required for different bullets, bonded, partitioned, velocity required for expansion, ideal bullet types for different size game, etc.
you guys are spoiling us with all these vids!
So many cartridge talks lately ❤️❤️
Still waiting for that 300 Winmag. My favorite show by the way. You guys rock
Would love to see you talk about the european 30-06 also known as the 8x57 mauser
Would love to hear about some 8MM Cartridges.
They did the 8mm-06, which is ballistically very similar.
7x64 is the closest European cartridge to the '06.
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 true, but that came many years later. The 8mm mauser and the 06 came out almost at the same time
@@pandalubben415 11 isn't that many. 7x64 was introduced in 1917.
Without question one of my favorite cartridges is the 243 Winchester. It's just a sweet mild mannered round that has more than enough power for anything up to mule deer. Also the conventional wisdom is that killing a black bear is no more difficult than killing a deer and to the extent that the 243 Win is sufficient for the latter it doesn't surprise me that it's effective on black bear also. I already own several 243 Win chambered rifles so I don't see any real benefit to owning a 6 mm Creedmoor as I don't plan to shoot match competition anyway. However, if I was in the market for a 6 mm round rifle and did not already own the 243 Win then I would choose the 6 mm Creedmoor over the latter. With regard to the 223 Rem vs the 6 mm Creedmoor I would go with the Creedmoor. The flexibility the 6 mm Creedmoor offers beats the 223 Rem hands down. I own a 22-250 Rem but I still prefer the 243 Win over it just the same.
Lived my 243 comp gun just didn't like loading for hours the night before a match 105rdf @3050FPS Worked great in my gun was a 1:8 twist though
Merry Christmas is what we say. Happy holidays is what sad when you’re afraid of your company getting onto you.
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I hunt over here in the uk. 243 has got to be one of the most common hunting calibres over here. And I know numerous people including myself who with hunt red deer with it. With stags growing up to 240kg. More then capable round.
Mine is a t3 rebarreled with a 1-8 twist. 108 eld m at 2930fps and regularly prints half moa at 1000 yards. A delight to shoot!
Do you have public hunting ground? I always pictured it as too small a country to have vast expanses of hunting area (please don't take my ignorance as an insult)
@alexmoore8395 no public hunting land sadly. Too high a population in such a small country. So all is basically privately owned/government owned. They estimate there is roughly 2 million deer in the UK. So plenty of shooting to be had!
@@thomasgordon935 so how would I (or any foreigner) hunt red stag in England? Or is hunting more accepted in Ireland or Scotland?
@alexmoore8395 just a case of contacting any of the many thousands of people across the UK that do guided stalking. Scotland is the quintessential location for stalking Red stags. But the bigger animals are found in the south of England. Namely exmoor and Norfolk. Prepare to pay upwards of $1200 to shoot a beast with a good head. Most guides will provide rifle etc
I'm pretty invested in my .243. I have a Handi-Rifle that was my rifle and a Savage that I built before the 6mm Creed came along with a 1-8 twist barrel that shoots pretty small groups. However, if I lost all of my guns in a fire, I'd replace the Savage with a 6CM. I also have a match rifle in 6BR Norma which is a lovely little 6mm round.
6 creed is an awesome coyote round. havent had a hit get away and usually anchors them.
22-250 with a 1 to 7 twist 26 inch barrel shooting 88 and 90 grain pills is what the valkyrie should of been. That makes a perfect long range varmint round that can easily take deer too.
Hopefully they'll give the .22 Creed Factory Support soon. That's a proper laser!
True, but a 24 inch 243 or 6 creed will push 100gr through 108gr at 3000+ fps no problem all day. Lot of work to make those numbers out of tje 250 case
Fan of the 6mm,second varmint rifle for me was a 6mm ,kilt a bunch of nw ohio woodchucks. Then later my first pd shoot with the 6. Also have three 243,,hells canyon,mk3 , mod 70 compact. They are all so much fun now just shooting in the back yard……
6mm creedmore, the only creedmore I’d own to avoid the 6.5 fanboy club
I hear you on the fanboy club. Though I see the 6.5 C as a kids step up from a 243 Win.
I did consider buying one for my oldest daughter's first deer rifle. Just didn't find one at the right price. Before last deer season.
Mark, 6arc for the girls! Trust me!
"I got a a 6 Creed for shooting PRS." "Hell yeah brother!" haha James cracks me up. As far as the 6 CM vs the .223 concerning younger shooters.. I'd definitely go with the 6. It's just flat out a better choice! It offers less wind deflection and some level of insurance for the "not ideal" shot placement. Also why would Mark even think .223? Not a .224 Valk, 22 Nosler, or 22 Creed? Thank you guys again for the awesome talks 😄
A Sierra 85 grain Game King HPBT or 90 grain Sierra TGK loaded in in either .243 or 6 Creed will blow the stuffing out of whitetail or antelope with a properly placed shot. In older rifles with slower twist rates, their 85 grainer is King.
sounds like a great choice if you dont already have a 243 or similar, great choice with a 7 PRC for bigger game, great factory bullet options,
Had a Ruger M77 Target Grey 223. That would produce five shot bug holes all day long with 52gr, 53gr and 55gr loads.
Thinking the 223 is not as accurate as some of the more long range focused calibers, is probably more in your head.
I have the same rifle. Ive even gotten very small groups at 525 yards with 50gr noslers. I love this rifle.
These really need to be called #20minutetalk
Would high shoulder shot on whitetail be good with this caliber?
My deer are not 800+ yards away. I don't have a safe full of rifles so I needed my one bolt gun that goes up and down from bear to elk to white tail and this is not "the one" in my safe and probably never will be. Yeah I risk loss of usable meat with a missplaced shot but .308 works for me for many reasons - but you do you and more power to ya.
Well as said Robert! I agree with you!
The 6cm and 22cm are the most interesting of the line.... in my opinion
Lol, only for naval canons
The 25CM is pretty great too.
Edit: Spelling. Damn auto correct.
@@tun0fun only with 2 commercially available bullet weights from Berger. 133 and 135gr. I shoot a fast twist 25-06AI with those.
I am in the same boat as so many other reloaders. I love the concept of the 6mm CM, but alas I already own two sets of reloading dies for the 243 and have 400-500 pieces of brass in the 243. I am just too invested in it to buy the CM even though it probably is a better case.
All my 6mm gt match barrels end up becoming 6mm creed barrels that we throw on Ruger Precision Rifles. Super grateful that ruger went 1"-16 because I can just hack off 1.5" from the chamber end and I'm usually through the majority of the firecracking. We let customers who come to our long range class run the 6creeds when their .308 class cartridges run out of steam at 1k+yards or if it's super windy out.
About 600-800 more rounds of 105 hybrids over a case full of H4350 and I usually pull the barrels off the Rugers again.
I've also shot a handful of deer and and antelope with the Hornady 90gr copper (cx?) Bullets over Reloader 17 and it is a freaking deer killing machine at least out to 400 yards. About 3350fps out of a 26.5" tube. I wish Barnes would make their TTSX in 6mm...but the Hornady bullet works good in the 1:8, 1:7.7, and 1:7.5 twist barrels I've run it through. Expanding LASER straight through every animal I've shot to date.
Barnes makes a ttsx and lrx in 6mm so I'm not sure where you're not finding those at. 80gr ttsx and 95gr lrx
Have you talked about the 6mm Remington yet?
I love my 6.5 Grendel.
Happy New Year guys.
Take a couple days off. You deserve it 👏
Excellent video. I think it’s especially great to circle back in talk about how these new cartridges have a broader use than their ancestors. It’s almost like to see why I get a 223 when you can get a 6 mm Creedmoor that will do everything the 223 can , all the way up to nearly the 6.5 Creedmoor both up and down in grain weight.
It would be interesting to do a video that compares increases in recoil, and whether those are proportional to increases in use and capability, assuming factory ammunition.
What about a comparison between the 22 creedmoor and the 6mm creedmoor?
I would like to know more about the 6.5-300 Weatherby and your options.
This will be the next chambering I buy. Love the mix between long range target shooting and hunting capabilities this has. Seems like it'll do everything the 6.5 can do but with better trajectory. Excluding elk if you consider the 6.5 an elk cartridge.
In Germany we need a minimum of 6,5mm and 2000 Joule/100 Meters to be able to hunt Deer / Boar. (Exept for Roedeer which need a minimum of 1000J/100M.)
Aw man! You guys finally do this after I bought a Ruger in 5.56.... Wanted a 6 Creed but couldnt find one anywhere.
Yeah I haven't seen a rifle in the 6mm Creed. But a few shops locally are sitting on piles of factory ammo for it.
Your 5.56 is fine. Get a good scope, find ammo it likes and buy a bunch of it and practice.
Flying isn't wrong. I have had great accuracy out of Ruger's 223/556 chambered rifle ( save for that mini 14 from the early 90's lol )
Yours should be good to go with a 69gr, 70gr Barnes , 75-77gr loads should show the promise of the rifles accuracy.
Good luck and a safe New Years
Recently sold my ruger american ranch 5.56 and my slower twist rate (1:10) tikka t3 243 to get a 6cm. Now I'm stuck between doing a custom action rifle or getting a budget friendly varmit rifle like a ruger predator.. I've been losing sleep over it!
@@mot0rhe4d40hey, my mini 14 shoots dinner plate sized groups at 100yds LOL
Have you guys looked at the 6mm ARC yet?
6 creedmoor is Not quite enough for deer, but it could be THE cartridge for most deer. I have shot 3 deer with a 6 CM 103 gr Hornady ELD-X. The ELD-X is a fine bullet with great accuracy. But it expands or shatters too quickly. All 3 died within 100 yards. That is fine, but none had an exit wound or blood trail. Only one of the 3 fell dead without running at all… but that took a perfect brachial flex shot that turns the lights out. Imagine a Hornady Superformance going 3200-3400 fps with a non-deforming bullet. But not just a hard bullet like the Hornady CX. Give that deep penetrating bullet flutes like Xtreme Defense or Xtreme Penetrators! Flutes have been shown to deliver similar or even better permanent wound cavities compared to jacketed hollow points, so they can do the same compared to mushrooming bullets. So far almost all rifle cartridges with flutes are heavy SLOW calibers for large and dangerous game… designed for penetration… like 460 Rowland and .45-70. They harden the bullets for penetration; therefore they flute the bullets to cause outward destruction in lieu of mushrooming. Why not do that in smaller fast calibers??? Imagine the violent performance of a fluted bullet in a the fast, long range cartridges!! "Speed Kills" will be the mantra of every hunter. I think a fluted 6 Creed would work well on every US game animal smaller than an elk.
On the negative side, the flutes may reduce long range accuracy a bit, but I doubt it would make much difference inside 400 yards, and 300 yards is extreme for most hunters anyway. Also, speer tip bullets may be difficult to flute, thus may have to be rounded???
6 Creed is Not yet a great deer cartridge, but given HARD and FAST FLUTED bullets it will be and would become one of the most versatile calibers existing.
I went from a great twist 243 to 6creedmore for that turnkey match I got tied if missing until 1am the night before the match
You guys can’t bring up something being a phenomenal coyote round without comparing it to the 22-250
6.5 Creedmoor is so popular by default have you tried to buy a rifle in the last 2 years. The only Creedmoor cool-aid I am drinking is the 22 Creed. At ranges that 95% of people SHOULD be limiting themselves to there are dozens of rounds equal or better. Who cares what it does at 600yds. So few people should be concerned with that, it would be irrelevant. A out as many as my silly long throat 6mm AI. Laser beam but nothing I can't do with a nice 139 interlock out of my 7mm-08. But I love new rounds and the info on them and this is one of my favorite sources.
I went with the 6mm arc .. but I have found it harder to get ammo for the arc verses the creed
The arc is a lot smaller buy a ton. I have both and they are day and night, different worlds apart, especially on game
"At the end of the day, you can have the biggest cartridge, and if you put it in the wrong spot, it's not going to do anything."
Wise words, Ryan
So when you say “good enough for deer …” does that include mule deer or do you really mean whitetails?
Local shops are getting pretty good stacks of the 6mm C going on. But have yet to see a rifle in the caliber.
Every store that has 6mm CM ammo they don't have a rifle. Every store that has 6mm CM rifles don't have ammo. Very few people that go to either shop will go to the other shop.
@@perrytilton5221 Well I am the odd man out then. I go to all my local shops 😆.
Have a good New Years.
Because no one asked for it. Its not selling
243 has more versatility down to lightweight varmint rounds. 6mmCM has the advantage for long range shooting past typical hunting distances where it offers no ballistic advantage over 243 at hunting distances. So, if you're going to hunt and want much greater ammo availability and versatility, go 243. If you want to go out a long ranges to target shoot, go 6mmCM
Umm yeah a 103 eldx is bringing way more energy at 500 from the 6CM than a 243 pushing the same thing
Which rifle would you recommend this caliber for deer?
105s fit in the AICS mags power just gets crunchy
A 1/9.25 savage will shoot 105 vld berger, u may have different results. Buying a fast twist 243 win barrel is cheaper than buying a new 6 cred gun. But buying a new one is fun too
The best twist for .243 is 1 in 8, but one needs to purchase a custom barrel to get that.
Yep but if my factory 243 will shoot 105s well under 1" I'm not going to rebarrel it. If I need more twist I'll shoot my rpr in 243 win
@15:29 - the popularity contest comment is apropos while talking about a Hornady cartridge. It should be the title or by-line of any Hornady cartridge conversation.
The thing the 6.5 creed has over the 7 prc and even the 6.5 prc is its a non magnum short action. Avaliablity and lighter recoil will keep it around. I prefer the 7 prc over all them but I don't shoot competition.
Comin I hot with the cartridge talks this week
Do I doubt the ability of the 6CM? No because I’ve got a metric truck load of experience with the older brother, .243win. Will I swap my .243’s for a 6CM? Absolutely not. I don’t see enough performance advantage for my uses to justify the swap. Especially when I have several hundred rounds of .243win loaded, 2 factory rifles, and a custom rifle all chambered in the same cartridge.
Been dreaming of this day
7.5 Swiss is all I wanted for Christmas 😂
Whats everyones ole faithful go to hunting caliber ? Mine if i am thinking to much i bring the cannon 30-378 weatherby as it gets alot of questions or my 45-70 if im walking in woods
Bought a Grendel and out comes the Creedmoor. But I decided that the next biggest rifle I got would be a 6.5 PRC.
I have a 6mm Creedmoor in a Browning X-bolt. Killed plenty of pigs and overall extremely accurate
Plenty, Elk being taken with that round.
Yep! I’ve seen it. With the match bullets too.
I would love to see a 6mm CM vs 25-06 video
@ryan , what is your go to load for .243 with 100 grain pills?
300 savage that would be a good one to talk about seeing that all the Creedmoor‘s including the 30 TC were built off of that and if somebody wants to argue the point all you need to do is compared to 300 savage to the 30 TC
What’s the expected barrel longevity on the 6creed?
I love the .243
That being said, I’ve owned a 6mm Creed moor for several years now and have 3000 plus rounds through it.( new barrel @ 2500 rds) I reload and shoot long range target. I also hunt deer.
6 Creed is a .243 on steroids with no downside. No way I would take the 243 over 6 Creed unless it was for a dedicated hunting rifle for 300 yards and less. 6 Creed still has an edge in this category with the heavier projectiles but a very little edge.
My 2 cents
The new straight wall caliber hit the media today, 360 Buckhammer, 30-30 case straightened and loaded with .358 projectiles.
35 remington: aight imma head out
I've owned a 35 Remington since 1972, I agree, but Vortex guys were talking about the next straight wall coming is why I posted.
I forget the guys name (its Walter Dalrymple Maitland Bell, reply below reminded me) , but he was a hunter in Afrika before WW1 that used a 7x57mm to hunt _a lot_ of elephants. He cut a few open and determined the ideal shot was in the back of the head from behind at an angle. I'm not saying the adverage person should try it, but shot placement is king with bullet size acting as a buffer for inaccuracy.
WDM Bell
I'm dusting off my wife's grandfather's 243 for my boy to shoot. I have been looking at the 6 Creedmoor as a update/ modern bullet.
Already have a 6mm creedmore.
It's called a 243 loaded with 103 gr eld-x. 43 gr hybrid v100 ,savage axis.
Is 6 mm creedmore better than a 243?
I don't think so....lol.
Twist rate ha ha ha ha.
Bear and cougar I took this year will tell ya it stabilized just fine.
If i need more than a 100g bullet then im going to a diff caliber. The extra 5-10 grains aint gonna make a difference. I dont get the new fascination with trying to use the smallest caliber possible, at the longest ranges possible when hunting.
Mark, get some 120gr CX style bullets in the 6.5 Creed for the girls. You already have the rifles, and we are talking, maybe, 5% recoil different to a 108 ELDX in the 6mm Creed. Sure the BC in the light 6.5 won't be there but that's not an issue till 400+ yards.
Also, if legal where you hunt, I know the 223 with the old GMX is absolutely good one white tails, and they can shoot a few hundred rounds over the lead up to season, without breaking the bank.
6 dasher would be a interesting comparison
No comparison to 6mm ARC?
Question! If the 6.5CM is to .260 what the 6CM is to the .243, what could come along that would be of these 2 modern cartridges be to the .308?
I would say 6.5 prc
I mean that is kinda what the 6.5 creed parent case (30 TC) was designed to do, but with less emphasis on long range.
The .260 and .243 are children of the .308. Same cartridge as .308…necked down for a 6.5 bullet in .260, 6mm bullet for the .243.
6mm rem ?
What we need is a .223 creedmoor/PRC cartridge...
Here, let's go from 25grs of powder to 25grs, but 150 fps faster with similar loadings. Ackley it but better...
Or go from 25 grs down 20 grs with similar performance...
We've got it added it the idea board, Aaron! Thanks for the suggestion and for tuning in!
243 /243 Ackley way more fun on varmints being chambered for the lighter faster bullets...
55 gr Ballistic Tip
65 gr Vmax
In handgun defensive loads, fluted bullets (like Lehigh's Extreme Defender) are becoming popular. These bullets are doing similar wound channels as jacketed hollow points if the speed is high enough….Yet they can have hardened bone busting bullets for penetration! This combination screams "hunting cartridge" especially since the shock performance is dependent upon speed which rifles can easily provide When are cartridge manufactures going to load fast, small-for-deer caliber cartridges with similar very hard, non-deforming (thus deep penetrating) fluted bullets that can bust through both deer shoulders and cause violent internal wounding??? …Resulting in quick ethical kills from highly accurate calibers that we love to shoot?????
This could make a 6 CM rifle, for example, one of the most versatile (varmints, coyotes, hogs, deer, sheep, plus long range targets… Just choose the appropriate load. This could be one of the most accurate, and most versatile, and with light recoil! It probably would need a thin "slick" jacket that doesn't wear out barrels like the hardened bullet would.
If this is a problematic idea, I'd like to read why from you experts.
6.8 Western!!! It's an updated 270 WSM!!
04:58 I am so glad that Mark was going to talk about the 243 Win.
Tomayto, tomahto. Social Regressive just built an everything truck fun with a semi-auto 6 mm ARC. Technically, a 6.5 Creedmoor can have about 17% more energy and recoil and possibly have better terminal ballistics than the ARC. But .243 works, as well. But, if shooting past 500 yards, probably the accuracy is going to be better with the 6.5 or even this 6 CM, though the slug is a bit light.
Rob at deermeatfordinner brought down a canadian moose with his Howa 1500 in 6.5 CM using Hornady ELD-X 143 grain. One shot at over 100 yards. It can be done.
I still depend on my .308. But I hunt on public land and if you hunt on a drawn hunt on public land, you have to shoot no less than .270 and the nearest equivalent would be 7 mm Rem Mag and now the 7 PRC.
However, I know someone who hunts deer and big horn sheep with a .300 Win Mag.
Check the rules where you are hunting.
The one thing you guys are not talking about in comparing the 243 with the 6mm Creedmoor is the barrel twist. The reason a 243 can't handle the heavier bullets has less to do with the throat and more to do with the twist. The 6mm Creedmoor can do everything that the 243 can do but the 243 cannot do everything the 6mm Creedmoor can do.
COAL length and twist are the main differences. Can't stuff a 115gr bullet in a 243 and still fit in a standard short action or mag and the barrel definitely will not stabilize the thing at all
It does not do anything that the .243 can't when hunting deer, antelope, sheep, etc. so it will not catch on. An extra 5-7 grains in bullet weight makes no practical difference in performance.
I kinda agree but with the faster twist barrels it is better with heavier bullets and longer range shots. Just the same for the average hunter who doesn’t go out of his way to hunt at long range it’s a wash…
It already is more popular than the .243, will shoot heavier bullets and shoot much further and most PRS guys shoot 6 creedmoor or 6GT, so much for won't catch on
@@myronstutzman1344 - the hunting ammo sales data says otherwise. The 243 remains one of the most popular hunting cartridges. The 6 mm CM is an answer in search of a question.
@@PassivePortfolios no, it’s just an answer for a question YOU aren’t asking.
Way better for non hunting purposes about the same in performance for hunting