Nah, young people just have a talent for making political content because they combine both a childlike creativity with ideology that is yet to be tempered by the real world. The trend of people becoming more moderate as they age is real, and it prevents you from making viral memes.
These interviews are so good. Josh you understand how the internet is impacting young people in a way that few do and offer such valuable insights, compassion, and direction towards healthier engagements for people. I wish there was more adults like you around me when I was a young person it could have saved me a tremendous amount of suffering. People like you with your level of clarity and insight are sorely needed in the world today.
For real, Peter, your sobriety is awesome. I wasn't raised religious at all but I was a smartass anti-religion teenager, so when I got deep into alcohol during covid, I ended up in AA. Sitting in churches, listening to people talk about Higher Power and everything was really strange for me, but it got me sober, I met my sponsor and I'm alive because churches, community centres, libraries etc facilitate meetings for people to meet and recover from addiction and illnesses. Love and live life mate.
This is one of my favorite channels now. Joshua, your interview style is outstanding. These conversations and the openness to perspectives, and how you interrogate issues, is just, I don't know anywhere else that has your touch of intelligence and curiosity, laughter and personability and the clear value you hold for seeking mutual understanding. 👌👌
I'm a couple years younger than James, but I had basically the same political trajectory as him, except I was an atheist basically the whole time. That's probably because my dad is one of those rare atheist republicans. I got in just after the "New Atheists" collapsed and was much more interested in the "Skeptosphere" with people like Armored Skeptic, Amazing Atheist, Sargon of Akkad, etc.. That sorta slid me into the early alt right, when it was more anti-establishment and humorous and less actually racist. Ultimately, thanks to things like Cumtown I followed the alt-right to Chapo pipeline, rather than the supposed Chapo to alt-right pipeline liberals used to claim existed.
"chapo to alt right pipeline liberals used to claim existed" Brother there are quite a few ML's on twitter all but calling for pogroms on the Jews. It might be done for class solidarity instead of race purity, but a spade is a spade at the end of the day
Really enjoyed this one, reminds me of a bunch of folks I grew up with in the evangelical movement. Had I had access to Facebook at that age I probably would have been the same. We used to gather around the TV as a family to watch Glenn Beck every day during the Obama years and then cap it off with Bill O’Reilly in the evenings. Like he mentioned, when you are raised in an “all or nothing” kind of religious moral environment one pulling of the thread can unravel the whole thing. For me, the obligation to the vulnerable was the desync and led to me moving to left both politically and within Christianity
If politicians would actually do things for people, they could earn the votes of people, even people who hate them. I mean material, distinctive things that have a positive benefit to their lives. They occasionally do stuff that helps, but in such a convoluted way that also includes big giveaways to businesses. They can't just fix a thing, they've got to do convoluted tax incentive plans that regular people won't notice and thus be able to attribute to them. People don't believe politics and do anything to improve their lives anymore. They only think they can use it to hurt the people they hate, or prevent being hurt by people that hate them.
he took o'reily's spot which is what he means which in the context of him saying new it works. obviously cucker didn't walk out of a featureless room after being born in it and living there for 40 years o
Right, Tucker's villian ascension stems from Jon Stewart making fun of him and Begala so relentlessly that it got their show Crossfire canceled in 2004. It was so notable there's a wikipedia article about it.
hey, where can I find this podcast as an RSS feed? I appreciate being able to watch the video version but I mostly consume podcasts via a podcast app. Just don't have time to sit down and watch most of the time and its a pita to listen to audio podcasts on yt.
Fowler's arc reminds me of Norton's character's in "American History X", especially in the way he grieved his father and lacked any loving support and attention from his environment.
Storytime!: I recently did an Osho "Self-Hypnosis" course where one component was guided sleep meditation. During one of the final sessions, I had to pee, so I got up from where I was lying on a yoga mat on my living room floor. I walked to the bathroom while still listening to the audio. Nothing seemed strange or out of place until I looked at my face in the mirror while I was washing my hands. The pupils of my eyes had dilated to completely eclipse the irises of my eyes, and I looked like a cartoon character. That's when I realized I was still asleep on the floor. (No, I did not pee my pants, if anyone was wondering.)
As interesting as this conversation is, the brief moment where he discusses his sister about 20 minutes in is endlessly more fascinating. Susan Rigetti (nee Fowler) has had a bizarre life in the academy and in business.
yeah, quick follow-up. Through his sister and her VC-funded husband, this dude has crazy new money. Kinda explains why he does more interviews than actual comedy 😕 I knew a guy in a similar situation. His sister graduated an Ivy and was thrown into super lucrative corporate roles, leveraged MeToo/Girllboss momentum to greater heights and married a dude who made hundreds of millions off a productivity app that everyone uses and everyone hates.
It's always sad when these conversations devolve in the last 5 minutes when Josh and his guest suddenly decide that "if only Democrats just..." as if Democrats "just" doing anything like reforming healthcare, being pro-labor, being anti-trade, what-have-you the last 20 years has done anything to reverse polarization.
When people think their problems are because of the tribe they're in or the clothes they're wearing or some such, it's usually themselves. It's easier to change superficial nonsense and imagine/infer growth when the alternative is deep introspection.
@@DS-ej7zt He's all about vibes. He clearly hasn't read ANYTHING about any of this, he's just someone who was really terrible on the internet as a child, rallying against civil rights
1:17:38 the flip side of the coin is that sometimes people need to make a reasonable compromise on those one or two issues so that the adults in the room are in charge and we can go from there. Don't hold the entire country hostage over your one thing.
I came of age before social media but definitely had a Dad that was exposing me to a lot of right wing talk radio (Limbaugh, Liddy, Imus, Savage) I wonder what I would have done with a facebook page at that point.
Industry plant "haha politics is so wacky and fun" bro no it's not, this is about policy that lets people get homes, or end up homeless. this is life or death for many people, but clearly not for him
otherwise it wouldn't be "haha wacky kooky, so silly, they're dropping bombs on innocent civilians". edit: couldn't get past 40 minutes, only lasted that long because of a video game. imagine your claim to fame being rallying against civil rights half ironically as a child.
@@orion10x10he’s not running for president lmfao, the interview is just about his personal experience. Do you never joke when talking about politics? Do you expect every political podcaster to have a stick up their ass?
True that - some of these people are real examples of why ideology and actual materialism is critical for politics. It's not a sport or a goofy show it's life and it can make or break people mentally/financially and emotionally
All these episodes mention the stereotypical hostile and histrionic Internet Leftist, who have exclusively unreasonable opinions, and killed the popular online sentiment for leftism by capturing and taking over the movement. It’s literally you.
I was asked out by the local queen of the alt right at my high school and while I really liked her at the time platonically I was a transfer from a different state and also gay. Was an interesting experience. I was online the exact opposite of her but to be fair I had no idea she had parents with ties to an insurrectionist or anything I was just trying to be a teenager
oh man, I was like "poor kid, being that young and posting crazy shit on facebook, and he could come out of it, interesting, interesting, and then our nice marxist artist was like oh yeah, I definitely did the ball tanning thing Tucker Carlson advocated for because I wanted to experience the right-wing mindset"😀
10:17 "Peter, we don't give a fck"... okay so when do we get to talk about how adults shunning politics from entering their minds might be part of the fueling of absurd gen z/young millenial internet politics????
Enjoyed a lot of the past episodes but there was really nothing said in this interview of substance and Peter still seems like a kid trying to figure out the same shit. He was a bigoted child that then ideology hopped around seemingly based off of politically adjacent things happening in his personal life. And don't get me wrong that's how many people form the basis of their own personal ideology I just don't think I needed to hear about it from this person for nearly an hour and a half.
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So glad Josh let me bring my vape !
Dude accidentally walked into the reactionary grift economy as a kid, dudes rock. I guess it really is so easy a child could do it
yeah lololol. It's the funniest indictment of social media ever.
Seems like he was exactly on their level. Some people grow out of 11-y/o mindset. Others become conservatives.
Nah, young people just have a talent for making political content because they combine both a childlike creativity with ideology that is yet to be tempered by the real world.
The trend of people becoming more moderate as they age is real, and it prevents you from making viral memes.
Exciting to see more young people getting into politics! He's really smart for a 12 year old!
I think he's like 24 or something....
Bruh he’s not 12
These interviews are so good. Josh you understand how the internet is impacting young people in a way that few do and offer such valuable insights, compassion, and direction towards healthier engagements for people. I wish there was more adults like you around me when I was a young person it could have saved me a tremendous amount of suffering. People like you with your level of clarity and insight are sorely needed in the world today.
For real, Peter, your sobriety is awesome. I wasn't raised religious at all but I was a smartass anti-religion teenager, so when I got deep into alcohol during covid, I ended up in AA. Sitting in churches, listening to people talk about Higher Power and everything was really strange for me, but it got me sober, I met my sponsor and I'm alive because churches, community centres, libraries etc facilitate meetings for people to meet and recover from addiction and illnesses. Love and live life mate.
This is one of my favorite channels now. Joshua, your interview style is outstanding. These conversations and the openness to perspectives, and how you interrogate issues, is just, I don't know anywhere else that has your touch of intelligence and curiosity, laughter and personability and the clear value you hold for seeking mutual understanding. 👌👌
I'm a couple years younger than James, but I had basically the same political trajectory as him, except I was an atheist basically the whole time. That's probably because my dad is one of those rare atheist republicans. I got in just after the "New Atheists" collapsed and was much more interested in the "Skeptosphere" with people like Armored Skeptic, Amazing Atheist, Sargon of Akkad, etc.. That sorta slid me into the early alt right, when it was more anti-establishment and humorous and less actually racist. Ultimately, thanks to things like Cumtown I followed the alt-right to Chapo pipeline, rather than the supposed Chapo to alt-right pipeline liberals used to claim existed.
"chapo to alt right pipeline liberals used to claim existed"
Brother there are quite a few ML's on twitter all but calling for pogroms on the Jews.
It might be done for class solidarity instead of race purity, but a spade is a spade at the end of the day
Really enjoyed this one, reminds me of a bunch of folks I grew up with in the evangelical movement. Had I had access to Facebook at that age I probably would have been the same. We used to gather around the TV as a family to watch Glenn Beck every day during the Obama years and then cap it off with Bill O’Reilly in the evenings.
Like he mentioned, when you are raised in an “all or nothing” kind of religious moral environment one pulling of the thread can unravel the whole thing. For me, the obligation to the vulnerable was the desync and led to me moving to left both politically and within Christianity
Well done, Josh. Im gonna share this with my female cousins who have young sons. Could be a helpful guide for their development.
32:00 the Obama letter story might actually be the most positive story about Obama I’ve heard lol
The letter read something like this: "Uhhh. Let me be clear. Folks. Cut that shit out."
If politicians would actually do things for people, they could earn the votes of people, even people who hate them. I mean material, distinctive things that have a positive benefit to their lives. They occasionally do stuff that helps, but in such a convoluted way that also includes big giveaways to businesses. They can't just fix a thing, they've got to do convoluted tax incentive plans that regular people won't notice and thus be able to attribute to them.
People don't believe politics and do anything to improve their lives anymore. They only think they can use it to hurt the people they hate, or prevent being hurt by people that hate them.
2:19 Tucker Carlson wasn’t “new”, kid was just too young to remember the “bow tie” era. Pepperidge Farms remembers. . .
he took o'reily's spot which is what he means which in the context of him saying new it works. obviously cucker didn't walk out of a featureless room after being born in it and living there for 40 years o
Right, Tucker's villian ascension stems from Jon Stewart making fun of him and Begala so relentlessly that it got their show Crossfire canceled in 2004. It was so notable there's a wikipedia article about it.
hey, where can I find this podcast as an RSS feed? I appreciate being able to watch the video version but I mostly consume podcasts via a podcast app. Just don't have time to sit down and watch most of the time and its a pita to listen to audio podcasts on yt.
Fowler's arc reminds me of Norton's character's in "American History X", especially in the way he grieved his father and lacked any loving support and attention from his environment.
This was so good thanks for sharing peter
"for a living" .. dying
big love, also lost parent become lil troll and rest is history ~ thanks for the talk guys
Storytime!: I recently did an Osho "Self-Hypnosis" course where one component was guided sleep meditation. During one of the final sessions, I had to pee, so I got up from where I was lying on a yoga mat on my living room floor. I walked to the bathroom while still listening to the audio. Nothing seemed strange or out of place until I looked at my face in the mirror while I was washing my hands. The pupils of my eyes had dilated to completely eclipse the irises of my eyes, and I looked like a cartoon character. That's when I realized I was still asleep on the floor. (No, I did not pee my pants, if anyone was wondering.)
As interesting as this conversation is, the brief moment where he discusses his sister about 20 minutes in is endlessly more fascinating. Susan Rigetti (nee Fowler) has had a bizarre life in the academy and in business.
yeah, quick follow-up. Through his sister and her VC-funded husband, this dude has crazy new money. Kinda explains why he does more interviews than actual comedy 😕
I knew a guy in a similar situation. His sister graduated an Ivy and was thrown into super lucrative corporate roles, leveraged MeToo/Girllboss momentum to greater heights and married a dude who made hundreds of millions off a productivity app that everyone uses and everyone hates.
@@soulpatch.youtube Lemme guess, Workday?
@@panta_rhei.26 no, but you're close
PLEASE put out the gateway tape intwrviews soon omg
This was incredibly relatable
Congratulations on your sobriety, Peter!
OMG IT JUST CLICKED JOSHUA IS THE HOST OF DEEP RESEARCH ON THE OTHERWORLD PODCAST
It's always sad when these conversations devolve in the last 5 minutes when Josh and his guest suddenly decide that "if only Democrats just..." as if Democrats "just" doing anything like reforming healthcare, being pro-labor, being anti-trade, what-have-you the last 20 years has done anything to reverse polarization.
You’re a beautiful person Josh
So he went from being a cringe conservative to a cringe liberal
When people think their problems are because of the tribe they're in or the clothes they're wearing or some such, it's usually themselves.
It's easier to change superficial nonsense and imagine/infer growth when the alternative is deep introspection.
@@DS-ej7zt He's all about vibes. He clearly hasn't read ANYTHING about any of this, he's just someone who was really terrible on the internet as a child, rallying against civil rights
yep lol
"can you back up for a second?"
His and my trajectories align perfectly, up to the point where I am still on drugs
This one made me feel old
1:17:38 the flip side of the coin is that sometimes people need to make a reasonable compromise on those one or two issues so that the adults in the room are in charge and we can go from there. Don't hold the entire country hostage over your one thing.
That man has never read any political theory in his life. he was never a "commie"
I came of age before social media but definitely had a Dad that was exposing me to a lot of right wing talk radio (Limbaugh, Liddy, Imus, Savage) I wonder what I would have done with a facebook page at that point.
Bro's volunteering to become a CIA patsy
The gateway stuff sounds like my occult practices.
The most fascinating thing to me is that he had 10,000 followers for a political account aged 11, but never learned he had to register to vote
Babe wake up
gateway tapes mentioned
Wait but what about this guys stances on material conditions? Isn’t that all we care about given the comments on the JJ ep
Industry plant "haha politics is so wacky and fun" bro no it's not, this is about policy that lets people get homes, or end up homeless. this is life or death for many people, but clearly not for him
otherwise it wouldn't be "haha wacky kooky, so silly, they're dropping bombs on innocent civilians". edit: couldn't get past 40 minutes, only lasted that long because of a video game. imagine your claim to fame being rallying against civil rights half ironically as a child.
@@orion10x10still miles more interesting than having to hear JJ say nothing for an hour
@@orion10x10he’s not running for president lmfao, the interview is just about his personal experience. Do you never joke when talking about politics? Do you expect every political podcaster to have a stick up their ass?
True that - some of these people are real examples of why ideology and actual materialism is critical for politics. It's not a sport or a goofy show it's life and it can make or break people mentally/financially and emotionally
All these episodes mention the stereotypical hostile and histrionic Internet Leftist, who have exclusively unreasonable opinions, and killed the popular online sentiment for leftism by capturing and taking over the movement. It’s literally you.
yeah i live my life as a progressive liberal but i have a secret second life as a bigot online
How old is dude now?
12
At least 24, i would guess 26
@@egg2242no way he looks at least 13
I’m 47
@@peterjamesfowler1659looking good for 47!
So he was like that "they took our jobs" mob from South Park of some sort at some point?😅
I was asked out by the local queen of the alt right at my high school and while I really liked her at the time platonically I was a transfer from a different state and also gay.
Was an interesting experience. I was online the exact opposite of her but to be fair I had no idea she had parents with ties to an insurrectionist or anything I was just trying to be a teenager
trying so hard not to become a radical leftist rn...
give up! join us!
1:03:18 “pirates code is more of a set of guidelines”
No Alex Friedman styled intros pls. Good guest
Is this show a consent manufacturing support group for when your potential boss has to read your youtube comment history?
we love you Peter !
Main takeaway around 9:30...bullying works!
oh man, I was like "poor kid, being that young and posting crazy shit on facebook, and he could come out of it, interesting, interesting, and then our nice marxist artist was like oh yeah, I definitely did the ball tanning thing Tucker Carlson advocated for because I wanted to experience the right-wing mindset"😀
Why is the segment on ball sunning labeled "Morality"?
Hell yea
10:17 "Peter, we don't give a fck"... okay so when do we get to talk about how adults shunning politics from entering their minds might be part of the fueling of absurd gen z/young millenial internet politics????
4:25 Daddy issues (R.I.P. Peter Fowler Sr.)
13:35
Enjoyed a lot of the past episodes but there was really nothing said in this interview of substance and Peter still seems like a kid trying to figure out the same shit. He was a bigoted child that then ideology hopped around seemingly based off of politically adjacent things happening in his personal life. And don't get me wrong that's how many people form the basis of their own personal ideology I just don't think I needed to hear about it from this person for nearly an hour and a half.
yeah he seems kinda low iq
why is there like 50 midrolls jesus christ
uBlock origin
I’m so looshpilled now
2:08 what is this word he uses? Denigrowth?
Organic growth I think
He kind of trips over his words here
lmao this is too great what an icon
hmmmm
coal
Anyone here have an OBE before?
I've been able to leave my body using the rope pulling technique a couple of times but end up right back in my body.
Obamas gay lmao
Beta
I am an atheist Republican.
Ew
A moron
This is the type of people this content attracts, anyone who considers themselves a "leftist" take note.
@@orion10x10 What do you mean?
@@orion10x10 isn’t that the point?