i bet the joker actually lied about the detonators, i bet he actually gave them each the key to their own boats bomb so they would actually blow themselves up. its even more twisted and cruel
+Relugus I don't think so. It would be much more devastating to see the other boat explode eventhough you decided not to blow it up. As Joker said in the hospital to Dent, when everything goes according to plan, nobody panics even when the plan is horrible, such as that the other boat explodes when you press the detonator. He didn't want that. He wanted chaos, mayhem, where you can't possibly predict what's gonna happen next.
+Sarah Schoepp This would be one of the reasons I wouldn't allow any one to hit the switch. You essentially have to put your faith in the Joker that he isn't lying.
One of my favorite scenes of The Dark Knight trilogy. The Joker worked so hard to expose some of the worst traits of humanity by being an "agent of chaos", but he never realized that chaos also has the capability to bring out some of the best qualities and potential of people as well. This is why the people of Gotham won.
We have a cerebral cortex that lets us make our own decisions. However you need to understand that there are unconscious things from evolution that influence us.
I remember watching this for the first time , and I automatically said I would've blown the ship up with the criminals because "they had their chance." But after seeing the prisoner throw his away, knowing what I would've done, I felt disgusted with myself after the movie. To think I would do something so evil just to save myself. And that is the mark of a great movie.
@@HungPham-qq6me Actually, to think deeper, convicts have family & trauma & they do have moral codes like unaliving the chomos & grapists, where many sayers say they will do but do not do. That makes the question even harder
"You don't wanna die . But you don't know how to take a life. Give it to me. These men will kill you and take it, anyway. Give it to me, you can tell them I took it by force...give it to me and I’ll do what you should have did ten minutes ago." Still gives me chills every time I watch that scene.
@@enigmatimes340 He didn't know that though. It's inferred that he believed, like the vocal citizen on the other boat, that he and every other prisoner made their choice and did not deserve to live/did not deserve to kill innocent civilians.
that prisoner who threw the detonator out the window, he is my favorite character in the entire movie. Without hesitation, without any remorse, without anything, he made the right choice. he just kind of said "fuck this shit" and threw it out the window despite the fact that he could die at any moment. he has the single biggest set of balls I have ever seen in this trilogy.
dmanlip Well, he sees it like this: either he can activate the detonator, which will kill the other ferry's passengers and accomplish nothing other than show that Gotham's criminals have no morals other than "kill or be killed", or he could get rid of the detonator to pass judgement to Gotham's citizens who can forgive them or kill them, the latter proving they are just as bad. He probably knows he's going to stay in prison all his life so either way, it's pointless to save himself. The other criminals he probably doesn't care about as much but does want to show them that there is another way from the path already taken, a way to give back despite past crimes towards Gotham and its citizens. (P.S. It was hinted Tiny's character, the guy who threw the detonator out, was actually a reference to Killer Croc, Waylon Jones, which I find odd.)
@@Tigressa101 It could also be a subtle message that some criminals doing their time accept their punishment for the sins they committed and actually want to do better.
@@brainrich1358 exactly. That is why you can look up on TH-cam videos of inmate saving prison guards or police officer then they are attacked or colapse due to a health issue. Not all criminals are evil people.
"The black guy" is Tom Lister Jr. He played Deebo in Friday, the President of the Galaxy in Fifth Element, and he was vastly underutilized in this movie but absolutely crushed his one scene. Btw, I find it extremely powerful that no one died because of one criminal's conviction not to kill and one "ordinary" man's lack of conviction to kill.
I love this scene so much. Democracy makes the "upper class" willing to kill, but no one can do it. Anarchy makes the "criminals" willing to kill, but one person doesn't let them. The democratic process (the vote) makes people distance themselves from the act. But no one can act. The anarchic process (intimidation) makes people almost unable to act. So the strongest person acts. Same result, two very different systems. And this scene pokes some holes in the workings of both.
@@calebyi6956 The strongest person acted by making sure that no one else COULD use the detonator. In a way it's the inverse of democracy - most of the criminals wanted to blow it up. But instead of the "democracy boat" (which had no one being willing to blow the others up), the "anarchy boat" had one person who was unwilling to let any of them blow the others up.
People saying that prisoner wanted to be seen as a hero are missing the point. Look at the disdain on his face as he looks at the guard/whoever that is right after he throws it out the window. The idea is even he is disgusted that they hadn't done this right away. I imagine in his mind he's supposed to be thinking "Are we REALLY considering killing an entire boat full of people?" You'd be hard pressed to find someone, outside of an extremely, extremely tiny percentage of psychopaths, willing to kill that many people.
J Nichols You'd still be hard pressed to find many willing to do that. Plus It's not a cut and dry self defense. The Joker is the actual one threatening them. They could blow up the other boat and still get killed as he's not the most trustworthy person in the world
the character of the prisoner who was teaching at the time when he knew the fate of hundreds of innocent people worth living for than he was about to lose and the disgust of some of the social constituents of being purely expressing selfishness , live ham, afraid of death. Depending on how the film's director wants to convey a human message to their film, so that the film is more powerful transmission of humanity.
"You don't want to die...but you don't know how to take a life." "...and I'll do what you should have did ten minutes ago." Two of the best lines in that movie and neither delivered by either Bale or Ledger.
The vote was, ‘how many of you would be in favor of blowing the other boat’, not ‘how many of you would be able to detonate it yourselves.’ As the two men holding the detonator learned, that distinction makes all the difference. Also, underrated part of the scene, but the moment where the prisoner walks back to his seat and his friends all surround him, as if to shield him from any reproachers. It’s so tender and I love it.
What I take away from the prisoner being shielded is that even in fiction, the writer knows that prisoners would be segregated by race. But I think that realistically, there would've been more backlash from the prisoners and the prisoners would've probably had more emotional rage given to "Debo (prisoner)."There would've been a higher vote ratio in favor of killing the prisoners of the boat. Human nature is desperately self seeking and evil.
It felt very realistic too. By that point their 'fate' was sealed. At that point you would be saying prayers, appreciating the last bit of humanity around you
George Hamilton It is a reference to Fallout, a video game. Vault Tec was supposed to build vault shelters to help and protect people from nuclear war but instead, they did tons of experiments on them. Basically, they treated them as lab rats.
I'm sad it cuts off before the man on the civilian boat sets down the detonator and decides not to do it. He's tried to rationalize it best he can, and he still can't bring himself to take the life of another. There's something so human about that scene.
No there is something eye opening, a criminal accepts his fate and a civilian is ready to cast aside morals in order to survive but lacked the courage when the whole weight is on his shoulders. Its a good out come but a depressing process, in order to kill or have someone be killed you must to be ready to bear the weight of that sin and accept the judgement that shall come for you in life and death. Sometimes the most righteous option is the worst one for you and that is a sad truth that we do our best to avoid.
It's not just about whether he can kill the criminals or not. While he's holding the key, the entire time he must be thinking: 'Why haven't they done it yet?' He doesn't know the criminals threw their key out. If he had turned that key and blew up the other boat, he would effectively become worse then they are. If the criminals are supposed to be stonecold, hardened killers then why did the civilians live for as long as they did? The fact that the civilians were still alive proved that the criminals may have been guilty of breaking some kind of law, but they were still human beings, unable to take the lives of so many at once. If a criminal can show that much compassion and a humanity, then surely he can do no less?
The civilians are angry and mouthy but still adhered to the law. You can't murder. If you do, your life is over. Blowing up 1,000 people, you're getting the death penalty or natural life in prison. You're a monster.
I love the prisoner scene for two reasons. 1) It's a classic bait and switch that no-one sees coming the first time they watch the film. We see this man and we think, "This is it. This is the one who'll do the unthinkable." Even through his dialogue, we're persuaded by Nolan that he's willing to do the deed. 2) That look of utter disdain speaks volumes. Without a single words, this prisoner condones the men who are supposed to be better members of society for their hesitation.
does anyone likes the line from 3:03 "We're still here. That means they haven't killed us yet either." i can tell how much he would feel guilty if he pulls the trigger
I know this is comment is a bit old, but I think it’s not about the guilt he would feel, but the humanity he’s realizing the criminals still had. Despite being described as the literal scum of the world, in that moment they hadn’t killed them whereas he was on a boat where the civilians were hellbent on killing them.
and a storm trooper is telling me this. I expected better from one who follows a cold cause, but what do I know? I had a stupid mammal destroy me into pieces and then divided up and used by criminals, only to be brought back together and get possessed by a glorified double crosser
Honestly what an amazing twist for the guy to throw it out the window. Nolan set us up to believe that it was another prison stereotype, big, deep voice, looks like he’s been through stuff. Only to crush that thinking. Genius
Given that the Joker lied earlier in the film and tricked Bats into going after Harvey instead of the girl, I'd wonder if perhaps a little trick on the jokers part was this: The detonators were actually for their own ships. He lied and said it was for the opposite.
Kate Turner It's possible, but personally I think this is more related to the other choice that the Joker forced Batman to make: the choice between killing to save others (or oneself) or refusing and remaining uncorrupted. Throughout the film, he was trying to force Batman to break "his one rule" in order to prove that rules have no meaning, and that eventually everyone abandons them when it's convenient. He says as much during the interrogation scene, after all. By giving the prisoners the choice to kill in order to save themselves, he was attempting to prove to Batman and the rest of Gotham that it doesn't matter how much people say that killing is wrong, because "at the first sign of trouble" they will abandon that rule and push the detonator. Giving them the detonator to their own boat might have been a characteristic twist on the game, like what the Joker did earlier, but it would be far less effective in proving his point - the people on the ship would be forced to confront the fact that they committed mass murder to save their own skin, which is precisely the same thing that the Joker hoped Batman would have to do.
Kate Turner It's possible, but personally I think this is more related to the other choice that the Joker forced Batman to make: the choice between killing to save others (or oneself) or refusing and remaining uncorrupted. Throughout the film, he was trying to force Batman to break "his one rule" in order to prove that rules have no meaning, and that eventually everyone abandons them when it's convenient. He says as much during the interrogation scene, after all. By giving the prisoners the choice to kill in order to save themselves, he was attempting to prove to Batman and the rest of Gotham that it doesn't matter how much people say that killing is wrong, because "at the first sign of trouble" they will abandon that rule and push the detonator. Giving them the detonator to their own boat might have been a characteristic twist on the game, like what the Joker did earlier, but it would be far less effective in proving his point - the people on the ship would be forced to confront the fact that they committed mass murder to save their own skin, which is precisely the same thing that the Joker hoped Batman would have to do.
"You don't wanna die, but you don't know how to take a life. Give it to me. These men will kill you and take it anyway. Give it to me. You can tell 'em I took it by force. Give it to me and I'll do what you shoulda did ten minutes ago." (Throws it out the window) This might be the greatest scene in the whole movie.
Deebo (everyone who has seen "Friday," knows who I am talking about) has the most under-rated scene in this movie. He had a small role, but it was very powerful.
I highly doubt they'd care. The actual innocents were the minority while the convicts were the majority. It wouldn't be a surprise if the civilians saw the few innocents with the convicts as collateral damage/acceptable losses if means their own survival. Because that situation reeks of "it's either you or me".
I know right! That’s so messed up! Like they all immediately wanted to blow up the boat because of the convicts but ignoring the police and sailors aboard it.
You know Gandalf from Lord of the Rings says this. "Many that live deserves death, some who die deserve life." There is also one where he says that "True courage is not knowing when to take a life, but knowing when to spare one." The convict that threw out the detonator is an example of this.
@@adekaiwamisou This is true, but in the grand scheme of things, the warden was supposed to make that decision, but was just as unwilling to take lives as that businessman in the end was. The prisoner that was quiet the whole time until that moment, if he was a real guy I could sense had enough and if he was going to die at that moment, he would accept it whether death came or not. It's funny on how people that have not lived through hell are *SO* willing to take another's life and yet when they have that power in their hands, they'll never do it even if their life depended on it. Because they are *not ready* to carry that burden.
+TheNintendogirl1 No. There is no bad thing in trying to survive. And criminals? If this man wassentenced to death what he could loose? Last meal? He wanted to make last good deed to go to Heaven or sth.
ZVER410 He is correct in many of his ideas on the human race. But I still think where we are now is better than his idealization of humanity: chaos, anarchy.
If you saw a group of people getting shot at, I highly doubt you would step in to disarm the gunner. You say you would but your subconscious goes into fight or flight mode and you act irrationally. It's like talking to a girl you find attractive, your conscious mind tells you nothing is wrong with it yet you still don't do it.
Everyone is ready to talk shit until it's their hands on the trigger. Dude was trying to act tough and rationalize how easy it was to kill the other people. But once he had his hand on the detonator, he couldn't do it. Once you cross that line, there is no going back. This is why Batman refuses to kill.
People love to criticize this movie solely because it's so popular.. But there is a reason why it's popular... It's absolutely incredible. Every single scene is absolutely genius, so perfectly molded together and the plot twists are insane... There are at least 5-6 scenes that you would consider the stand out scene in this movie.. This is art plain and simple. Not to mention Heath Ledger was the stand out star by far!
@@blackjk1234 That's the genius of Christopher Nolan. He prefers to film as practically as possible. The flooding and train scenes in Inception were shot practically.
This is such a great scene it shows that sometimes "good people" will vote to do a bad thing. While also showing that sometimes a "bad person" will do what is right.
At the beginning of the movie, at the bank robbery scene, the banker said to the Joker that the criminals of Gotham used to believe in honour and respect. I think I understand that now. This proves that there is still hope for humanity.
No, that guy accepted his fate not necessarily making him a good person but it did make him a honorable one. And respect was one out of fear for criminals. Humanity has hope but that is in those who can take responsibility for their wrongs and those that have the will to resist making those and that is hard with the lenient society we are building.
Ironically, when I first watched this scene I saw the citizens as a greater threat than the convicts, whom I fully expected to rebel against Joker's game. If you think about it, it's deceptively simple; the average citizen gets by in life because they follow RULES, which govern the colossal game we call 'society' and ultimately play a large part in shaping their world view. Criminals are criminals because they refuse to obey these rules, whether for personal gain, anti-authoritarian/social attitudes, or sheer irrationality. They don't like being told what to do. Now, you have these two groups pitted against each other in a different game, one where the rules are clear and you stand to win the ultimate prize. Which of the two would you trust; people who instinctively reject orders, or people who have built their lives on them? Remember, the former made a firm decision to toss out the controller, while the latter arguably chose to spill blood- but lacked the nerve... Choose wisely.
Hau Tak Leighton Tam Don't forget that what we're looking at is fiction (excellent, thought-provoking fiction!), so we can't use anything seen in the video as evidence. Yes, that super-awesome guy tossed out the controller. Yes, the one who was going to kill the jailed people to save the civilians ended up lacking the nerve. But this is just what occurred in the fictitious choice. Don't forget that we have the benefit of knowing what happens at midnight: namely, that Batman stops the joker. If at the end both boats really were going to blow up and kill everyone on board, it doesn't seem crystal-clear to me that the right choice is to let that happen. For example, the children and young people on the civilian ferry have yet to enjoy some fundamental human experiences in life, and have very long lives ahead of them. That could be seen as a good reason to spare the civilian boat. Or maybe the best solution is to place the detonator in the middle of the civilians, and let anyone who wants to use it use it. If everyone is willing to sacrifice themself rather than play joker's game, that's fine, but no one should be forced to make the sacrifice. Also, speaking of fiction, I find it VERY hard to believe that the woman with the child would just sit there. That's her CHILD! Seems like, especially near the time limit, she would've fought to try to save the boat. Maybe she realizes that you never know what's going to happen in a Joker game.
MrProgrampro Didn't the civilian boat leave that as the option? Which is why that one man got up and said "No one wants to get their hands dirty. Fine. I'll do it." And we also have the benefit of knowing that if Batman *doesn't* stop the Joker, the Joker will likely blow the remaining ship anyway.
I think it also takes a try and gripping onto the moral superiority complex of the average citizens ideas and expectations that their lives are worth more than the convicts. I've actually wondered if the Joker might have actually set it up for the people to blow their own boat if they pulled the trigger, he lied to batman about where Rachel was didn't he? He enjoyed chaos, and turning what people thought they knew upside down. I like this scene, and I'm glad the citizens decided not to go through with it. They passed the test of choosing self sacrifice in order to spare Some lives. That's why he was forcing them to make a mortal choice, either live and kill or be complacent and die. But I'd like to think they chose not to do it to show they also had the ability and right to choose.
The majority of people will fall apart at the first sign of danger to their existence. Remember that the boat of civilians voted overwhelmingly to turn the trigger key. But it takes one man, either through strength of will (Batman, and the convict) or through a goodness deep-down that repels him from doing what's wrong (Gordon, and the civilian businessman) to influence the rest and keep society from collapsing. The Joker tries to show the world how arbitrary society is, and how it's unnatural for people not to eat each other. He arguably proves it by corrupting a symbol of society and control merely by taking one thing away from him--Harvey Dent, and his wife. But unlike Harvey, who couldn't withstand having the one thing grounding him taken away from him, Bruce is able to endure the loss of Rachel. Why? Because Alfred doesn't let him read the letter. People looking out for each other. Simple gestures, gestures that the person doing them probably doesn't realize the consequences of them. What holds us together is such a fragile social consciousness, something that cannot in truth be held together by an authoritarian force (Batman.) What the world needs is a good man to rally around (Harvey), not a bad man to fear. But those are few and far between, so we take what we can get.
I never realized the part about the letter. I mean I understood why Alfred didn't give it to Bruce but its pretty neat how the same motive that batman had for taking the blame for Harvey's crimes, is the same line of reasoning Alfred used against him which allowed him to beat the joker
When I first watched this I didn't know what to think. It almost brought a tear to my eye when the prisoner tossed the bomb remote. What does this say about human beings?
That we can change and be stubborn. This did not make him a hero (that guy was part of Bane's army I think) but it does make him honorable to a degree. He accepted his sins and was ready to pay, that is something we can admire.
Louis M. It tells us even though we’re animals (on a biological level.) we can still overcome our selfs and so our true humanity. It shows we don’t have to be afraid of chaos or deception.
The tension in this scene is almost Hitchcock-esque. Love it. It's scenes like this that elevate The Dark Knight so much above many other superhero movies.
I'm pissed off. I just wanted to read the comment section about the prisoners but I see half of them with 'It's just a prank bro' comments. It's funny the first time but now it's fucking annoying.
The moment after he throws the detonator out is just fantastic, when everybody realises that they are now doomed, yet know it was the right thing to do. Good acting from the extras. 4:24
The greatest message in this scene is that of all the people, a priosoner is the only one who is noble enough to not be selfish Yet the civilians, the people, are willing to do it but do t want to get their hands dirty, they stop simply out of reluctance, not good will.
Not entirely true. The prisoner did make the noble decision, that much is accurate, but in regards to the civilians, reluctance isn't enough to make someone willingly pass up an opportunity to survive in such a dire situation. The man on the civilian boat was choosing between killing and almost certain death to himself. Reluctance isn't enough to wipe out survival instinct; the decision not to push the button and nobody indicting him for failing to push the button and save them all means that consciously or not, that was his and their decency winning out over fear and selfishness.
This shows the power of both order and defiance can overcome treachery. The citizens feel none of them can push the button for fear of seeing themselves as a monster for doing so and the prisoner refuses to play Joker’s game with lives and sees which way the guard is leaning when it comes to the detonator.
@@stefanalexmedrano92 Nah he just didn't have balls all talk and no do. There were children on the boat so it's selfish either way choosing scum over them.
It's been awhile since I saw the last one but didn't they think they were reforming society or something? Joker's whole point was that society is a joke, but the league of shadows seemed to embrace society as a whole.
3:38 and 4:18 “In their last moments people show you who they really are” Its really interesting and incredible to watch this scene, how it’s crafted and written. We see that the guilty man isn’t gonna kill a boat full of innocent men, women and children, and even saved the head guards life, he was being selfless yet the innocent man was willing to kill the prisoners and even some of the guards on the other boat (I know that he stops). It’s a simple but effective scene that perfectly displays the difference between making the wrong and right choice.
Yeah it furthers the point of the Joker saying that everyone is capable of being a monster when push comes to shove. The civilian does change his mind after giving it some more thought but his initial reaction to was press the button
No comic book-inspired movie has ever had a finale with emotional power like this. Every time they say, oh the world is going to end or one city is going to be completely destroyed, but it was this scene, with only a few hundred lives on the line, but also the stakes of "Gotham's Soul," which moved me the most.
IRL prisoners wouldn't have pressed it because they might have their families in the other boat. Civies would've pressed it because they don't care about criminals anyway.
Check the comments section of any crime related post. Everybody is perfect, and could never imagine themselves falling so lowly. Most people today I feel are beyond prideful and this scene was a great example(and also counter example) of that notion.
OnlineNamesAreStrange Honestly, the average criminal probably wouldn't want all that blood on their hands. Only the most twisted psychopath like Joker would be eager to do it, and someone like that would be in isolation anyway.
TheWaverunners If you took the time to understand what I wrote, you wouldn't be writing it again. I wasn't talking about the criminals pressing the button. I was talking about the civvies most likely deciding to press the button and then justifying their decision afterwards by saying the criminals deserved it anyways even though they themselves just demonstrated that they are no better. The criminals already know their sins. That's why they don't have pride. The civvies, however, still retain a holier than thou attitude. This is a movie, so the Batman will win coz of plot armor, but IRL, the civvies would press that button in a heartbeat. The criminals too, maybe, but there would be some fighting because they also have family on the outside. 50/50 for the criminals pressing it. 100 for the civvies pressing it. Then again, this is all speculation. Uncountable times, we can see IRL, people killing other people and justifying it. Anyone with a basic knowledge on wars can recognize this. There are no saints in human interactions. There are only the less demonic, as the Joker reveals.
I'm with you. Plus, a lot of the prisoners would perhaps see the situation as a chance for redemption and most of the people on the civilian boat would take the attitude of 'Well we're good people, those guys have done bad things so killing them is totally fair!'. BUT ultimately when it comes down to it, I'd argue that whilst there'd be plenty of people on the civilian boat saying they want the button to be pressed they wouldn't actually be prepared to do it themselves. like the mouthy guy who went up to press it and ultimately backed out.
This scene made me cry out of all the amazing parts in The Dark Knight. Seeing Batman as a good guy was good enough, but seeing normal citizens willing to do good even when it cost their life was the best.
I’ve seen this movie God knows how many times and saw it for the first time 12 years ago. But this scene still gives me goosebumps every single time. This isn’t just the greatest superhero film ever made. It’s one of the best OVERALL movies I’ve ever seen.....
You know what's the funniest part? They probably had the detonators to there own explosives. The Joker did say if anyone chose to blow up the other boat he would let That boat go.
I honestly think Joker proved his point twice. First, large majority on both ships were for detonating (until one guy on both ships took decision into his hands). Secondly, Joker stated that good people will be ultimately broken when they hear about Dent. Batman obviously agreed, since he decided to hide truth about Dent.
Love that they had the mother in this scene. Where it’s not just herself she’s trying to justify saving. What a gal. Love that the Joker is also reading a script. Showing that is he actually a planner, unlike what he told Harvey. What a guy. What a movie.
1:17 "sky high" the bald prisoner closest to the camera actually nods in a sort of approval after the Joker says this. It's like he's applauding him and his evil plan. What a nut.
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Imagine the awkwardness if the black guy threw the detonator and missed the window
😂😂😂 it wouldve been funny if it accidentally detonated when it missed
Made me crack up during class
+Christoff Robinson Hahahahahahahagagaha
Thats why he plays center and no PG or SG..
How do you know he's black. Racist.
i bet the joker actually lied about the detonators, i bet he actually gave them each the key to their own boats bomb so they would actually blow themselves up. its even more twisted and cruel
No. I think his aim was to reduce the people to animals. He would want the "winners" to live with what they had done.
+Sarah Schoepp twist ending, their both detonators to both boats so if one clicked the bottom BOOM both boats
+Relugus I don't think so. It would be much more devastating to see the other boat explode eventhough you decided not to blow it up. As Joker said in the hospital to Dent, when everything goes according to plan, nobody panics even when the plan is horrible, such as that the other boat explodes when you press the detonator. He didn't want that. He wanted chaos, mayhem, where you can't possibly predict what's gonna happen next.
+Sarah Schoppe and it would it make it beautiful.
+Sarah Schoepp
This would be one of the reasons I wouldn't allow any one to hit the switch. You essentially have to put your faith in the Joker that he isn't lying.
“If anyone’s got pens pass them along...” Those pens are never coming back.
the true crime that happened that night
as a mcdonalds ex-employee i know that struggle
Gatling Hawk
Teachers also know the struggle when they students borrow pencils.
My pen 2019 -2019
What, is there gonna be a magic show?
“You don’t wanna die, but you don’t know how to take a life.”
RIP Tommy Lister Jr 🙏🏽
RIP Deebo
RIP, still think it’s so cool that Tommy is in one of the best scenes from this movie.
@@jalenjohnson1662 legendary actor RIP DEEBO🙏🏽
@@wadhahr2048 WATCHA GOT ON MY 40 HOMIE LOL.
Amazing scene from Mr Lister. Will never be forgotten.
One of my favorite scenes of The Dark Knight trilogy. The Joker worked so hard to expose some of the worst traits of humanity by being an "agent of chaos", but he never realized that chaos also has the capability to bring out some of the best qualities and potential of people as well. This is why the people of Gotham won.
no they lost. their leader, harvey dent fell to the dark side.
We have a cerebral cortex that lets us make our own decisions. However you need to understand that there are unconscious things from evolution that influence us.
I agree with you, I'm saying that unconscious things from evolution influence us to do self-preserving things
+I. Thorberg To which the role of Batman is emphasised,the hero gotham deserves
I. Th. Bet Joker was laughing his ass off in jail when Bane revealed Harvey's actions.
All that did was 'prove his point'.
That black prisoner is alpha af. His words are so intimidating, yet his action is admirable.
It was his redemption. Everyone deserves an opportunity to compensate for the wrong they have done.
@@davidcabreonmunoz6258 even Joker?
Almost everyone
He was the president in the fifth element
Tiny Lister
I remember watching this for the first time , and I automatically said I would've blown the ship up with the criminals because "they had their chance." But after seeing the prisoner throw his away, knowing what I would've done, I felt disgusted with myself after the movie. To think I would do something so evil just to save myself. And that is the mark of a great movie.
@Louis Kirkwood man first, convict second. I think you're messing up your priorities
Be happy you have that insight and can feel shame from it. That's how we learn.
Well I'd rather save a ship that have women and kids in
That's right and I'm glad you finally see the light and understand
@@HungPham-qq6me Actually, to think deeper, convicts have family & trauma & they do have moral codes like unaliving the chomos & grapists, where many sayers say they will do but do not do. That makes the question even harder
"You don't wanna die . But you don't know how to take a life. Give it to me. These men will kill you and take it, anyway. Give it to me, you can tell them I took it by force...give it to me and I’ll do what you should have did ten minutes ago." Still gives me chills every time I watch that scene.
#FACTS
Yet he proved he did the best choice. Knowing the other ship will be more nobel and won't detonate the boat
@@enigmatimes340 He didn't know that though. It's inferred that he believed, like the vocal citizen on the other boat, that he and every other prisoner made their choice and did not deserve to live/did not deserve to kill innocent civilians.
"Give it to me, and I'll do what you should have did 10 minutes ago"
"yEET!"
@@20dabarr58 omg yes
that's not the quote ass
@Daddy, Bitch, Holy Asshole you should have done* not did, learn english
@@scoutromantica9364 ye but he said you should have did... do you have ears ??
that prisoner who threw the detonator out the window, he is my favorite character in the entire movie. Without hesitation, without any remorse, without anything, he made the right choice. he just kind of said "fuck this shit" and threw it out the window despite the fact that he could die at any moment. he has the single biggest set of balls I have ever seen in this trilogy.
dmanlip Well, he sees it like this: either he can activate the detonator, which will kill the other ferry's passengers and accomplish nothing other than show that Gotham's criminals have no morals other than "kill or be killed", or he could get rid of the detonator to pass judgement to Gotham's citizens who can forgive them or kill them, the latter proving they are just as bad.
He probably knows he's going to stay in prison all his life so either way, it's pointless to save himself. The other criminals he probably doesn't care about as much but does want to show them that there is another way from the path already taken, a way to give back despite past crimes towards Gotham and its citizens.
(P.S. It was hinted Tiny's character, the guy who threw the detonator out, was actually a reference to Killer Croc, Waylon Jones, which I find odd.)
@@Tigressa101 It could also be a subtle message that some criminals doing their time accept their punishment for the sins they committed and actually want to do better.
@@brainrich1358 exactly. That is why you can look up on TH-cam videos of inmate saving prison guards or police officer then they are attacked or colapse due to a health issue. Not all criminals are evil people.
@@Tigressa101 Good analysis
Amen
"The black guy" is Tom Lister Jr. He played Deebo in Friday, the President of the Galaxy in Fifth Element, and he was vastly underutilized in this movie but absolutely crushed his one scene.
Btw, I find it extremely powerful that no one died because of one criminal's conviction not to kill and one "ordinary" man's lack of conviction to kill.
He was also Zeus in WWF in late 80's.
Thank you for giving actual credit where credit is due!
I love this scene so much. Democracy makes the "upper class" willing to kill, but no one can do it. Anarchy makes the "criminals" willing to kill, but one person doesn't let them.
The democratic process (the vote) makes people distance themselves from the act. But no one can act.
The anarchic process (intimidation) makes people almost unable to act. So the strongest person acts.
Same result, two very different systems. And this scene pokes some holes in the workings of both.
Ding ding ding.
Life is easy in paradise for all.
Life is hard for those who know the world isn't paradise.
Ss
Well one of the criminals literally gave up his chance of blowing up the other boat
@@calebyi6956 The strongest person acted by making sure that no one else COULD use the detonator.
In a way it's the inverse of democracy - most of the criminals wanted to blow it up. But instead of the "democracy boat" (which had no one being willing to blow the others up), the "anarchy boat" had one person who was unwilling to let any of them blow the others up.
"When their enemies were at the gates, the Romans would suspend democracy and appoint one man to protect the city."
People saying that prisoner wanted to be seen as a hero are missing the point. Look at the disdain on his face as he looks at the guard/whoever that is right after he throws it out the window. The idea is even he is disgusted that they hadn't done this right away. I imagine in his mind he's supposed to be thinking "Are we REALLY considering killing an entire boat full of people?" You'd be hard pressed to find someone, outside of an extremely, extremely tiny percentage of psychopaths, willing to kill that many people.
Joker
J Nichols You'd still be hard pressed to find many willing to do that. Plus It's not a cut and dry self defense. The Joker is the actual one threatening them. They could blow up the other boat and still get killed as he's not the most trustworthy person in the world
+richardtheconquerer It's a psychological attack
+Lyoko104 Because he is a psychopath.
the character of the prisoner who was teaching at the time when he knew the fate of hundreds of innocent people worth living for than he was about to lose and the disgust of some of the social constituents of being purely expressing selfishness , live ham, afraid of death. Depending on how the film's director wants to convey a human message to their film, so that the film is more powerful transmission of humanity.
"You don't want to die...but you don't know how to take a life."
"...and I'll do what you should have did ten minutes ago."
Two of the best lines in that movie and neither delivered by either Bale or Ledger.
I know and to think it came from Deebo
Imagine if when he threw it he missed and the button hit the wall
The dude on the other boat had balls too... just not as big.
@Madlox first one maybe not, but second one hits the spot. In prisoner's eyes, he should have just thrown it away, because they are better than that.
@@firecode6824 it was a key you had to turn genius
The vote was, ‘how many of you would be in favor of blowing the other boat’, not ‘how many of you would be able to detonate it yourselves.’ As the two men holding the detonator learned, that distinction makes all the difference.
Also, underrated part of the scene, but the moment where the prisoner walks back to his seat and his friends all surround him, as if to shield him from any reproachers. It’s so tender and I love it.
What I take away from the prisoner being shielded is that even in fiction, the writer knows that prisoners would be segregated by race. But I think that realistically, there would've been more backlash from the prisoners and the prisoners would've probably had more emotional rage given to "Debo (prisoner)."There would've been a higher vote ratio in favor of killing the prisoners of the boat. Human nature is desperately self seeking and evil.
I love it too
It felt very realistic too. By that point their 'fate' was sealed. At that point you would be saying prayers, appreciating the last bit of humanity around you
R.I.P. Tommy Lister, the real hero of The Dark Knight.
Hero in black 👨🏾🦲 Tommy
He still a bad guy.
I think you’re forgetting someone else
The hero was the people of Gotham
Joker would be a great employee at Vault-Tec
CM1299 lol
lol
LMAO, so true !
I don't get it.
George Hamilton It is a reference to Fallout, a video game. Vault Tec was supposed to build vault shelters to help and protect people from nuclear war but instead, they did tons of experiments on them. Basically, they treated them as lab rats.
I'm sad it cuts off before the man on the civilian boat sets down the detonator and decides not to do it. He's tried to rationalize it best he can, and he still can't bring himself to take the life of another. There's something so human about that scene.
he just lost his nerve.
No there is something eye opening, a criminal accepts his fate and a civilian is ready to cast aside morals in order to survive but lacked the courage when the whole weight is on his shoulders. Its a good out come but a depressing process, in order to kill or have someone be killed you must to be ready to bear the weight of that sin and accept the judgement that shall come for you in life and death. Sometimes the most righteous option is the worst one for you and that is a sad truth that we do our best to avoid.
@@Southern_Crusader A bit ironic to hear this from someone named Killer Joy, isnt it?
It's not just about whether he can kill the criminals or not. While he's holding the key, the entire time he must be thinking: 'Why haven't they done it yet?' He doesn't know the criminals threw their key out. If he had turned that key and blew up the other boat, he would effectively become worse then they are. If the criminals are supposed to be stonecold, hardened killers then why did the civilians live for as long as they did? The fact that the civilians were still alive proved that the criminals may have been guilty of breaking some kind of law, but they were still human beings, unable to take the lives of so many at once. If a criminal can show that much compassion and a humanity, then surely he can do no less?
The civilians are angry and mouthy but still adhered to the law. You can't murder. If you do, your life is over. Blowing up 1,000 people, you're getting the death penalty or natural life in prison. You're a monster.
I love the prisoner scene for two reasons.
1) It's a classic bait and switch that no-one sees coming the first time they watch the film. We see this man and we think, "This is it. This is the one who'll do the unthinkable." Even through his dialogue, we're persuaded by Nolan that he's willing to do the deed.
2) That look of utter disdain speaks volumes. Without a single words, this prisoner condones the men who are supposed to be better members of society for their hesitation.
*condemns
@@McZachary44 its funny how those words are so close but so opposite
does anyone likes the line from 3:03
"We're still here. That means they haven't killed us yet either."
i can tell how much he would feel guilty if he pulls the trigger
I know this is comment is a bit old, but I think it’s not about the guilt he would feel, but the humanity he’s realizing the criminals still had. Despite being described as the literal scum of the world, in that moment they hadn’t killed them whereas he was on a boat where the civilians were hellbent on killing them.
@firewolf950tfwgaming7 thanks for reply, I don't even remember this comment. I just like actor's facial expressions at that moment
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The Joker wouldn't mind if his prank killed a couple of people.
hahaha thatsfucking great
YO, BATMAN, CALM DOWN, DUDE, IT'S JUST A PRANK!! CHILL DUDE, CHILL!!! ITS JUST A PRANK!!
and a storm trooper is telling me this. I expected better from one who follows a cold cause, but what do I know? I had a stupid mammal destroy me into pieces and then divided up and used by criminals, only to be brought back together and get possessed by a glorified double crosser
clockwerk35 ummmmm?
WE GOT THE WHOLE THING ON TAPE SEE CHRISTOPHER NOLAN IS RECORDING US OVER THERE IT'S A PRANK
Why so serious
“there’s a hidden camera right over there.”
I like how even the Joker wrote down his speech. He may be an agent of chaos, but he's not an agent of *irresponsibility*
Honestly what an amazing twist for the guy to throw it out the window. Nolan set us up to believe that it was another prison stereotype, big, deep voice, looks like he’s been through stuff. Only to crush that thinking. Genius
Given that the Joker lied earlier in the film and tricked Bats into going after Harvey instead of the girl, I'd wonder if perhaps a little trick on the jokers part was this: The detonators were actually for their own ships. He lied and said it was for the opposite.
pretty smart
Kate Turner It's possible, but personally I think this is more related to the other choice that the Joker forced Batman to make: the choice between killing to save others (or oneself) or refusing and remaining uncorrupted. Throughout the film, he was trying to force Batman to break "his one rule" in order to prove that rules have no meaning, and that eventually everyone abandons them when it's convenient. He says as much during the interrogation scene, after all.
By giving the prisoners the choice to kill in order to save themselves, he was attempting to prove to Batman and the rest of Gotham that it doesn't matter how much people say that killing is wrong, because "at the first sign of trouble" they will abandon that rule and push the detonator. Giving them the detonator to their own boat might have been a characteristic twist on the game, like what the Joker did earlier, but it would be far less effective in proving his point - the people on the ship would be forced to confront the fact that they committed mass murder to save their own skin, which is precisely the same thing that the Joker hoped Batman would have to do.
Kate Turner It's possible, but personally I think this is more related to the other choice that the Joker forced Batman to make: the choice between killing to save others (or oneself) or refusing and remaining uncorrupted. Throughout the film, he was trying to force Batman to break "his one rule" in order to prove that rules have no meaning, and that eventually everyone abandons them when it's convenient. He says as much during the interrogation scene, after all.
By giving the prisoners the choice to kill in order to save themselves, he was attempting to prove to Batman and the rest of Gotham that it doesn't matter how much people say that killing is wrong, because "at the first sign of trouble" they will abandon that rule and push the detonator. Giving them the detonator to their own boat might have been a characteristic twist on the game, like what the Joker did earlier, but it would be far less effective in proving his point - the people on the ship would be forced to confront the fact that they committed mass murder to save their own skin, which is precisely the same thing that the Joker hoped Batman would have to do.
Kate Turner
Not being a smart ass, but I had never thought of that. +1 OP.
In a way,it works like karma,this tests the morality of the people on the boat.You can tell who is more moral in this scene.
My nigga Deebo got heart. Who would've known.
Cell Jr. no...just no
SoGa Vandal Shut the fuck up.
Hank Hill Get cancer you little fanboy piece of shit
SoGa Vandal u mad bro?
Hank Hill Why would I be?
"You don't wanna die, but you don't know how to take a life. Give it to me. These men will kill you and take it anyway. Give it to me. You can tell 'em I took it by force. Give it to me and I'll do what you shoulda did ten minutes ago." (Throws it out the window)
This might be the greatest scene in the whole movie.
RIP Tiny Lister - You were the better man.
Joker's Social Experiment: "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Epic. Really so the whole theme.
And the worse of them all, die a villain which almost happened
So true
@@MarkzBaui26 which didn't happen.. #humanity
Deebo (everyone who has seen "Friday," knows who I am talking about) has the most under-rated scene in this movie. He had a small role, but it was very powerful.
Agree
agreed.
WorldofArt1988 watch the movie "Friday" then you'll know
cbuckets11 He'll always be Zeus to me. 😁
cbuckets11 THAT’S MY BIKE PUNK
RIP Tiny Lister, one of the ultimate That Guys, who made every movie better, no matter how small his role
One thing that bugs me about this scene is none of the civilians ever seemed to care for the innocent sailors and police on board the convicts' boat.
I highly doubt they'd care. The actual innocents were the minority while the convicts were the majority. It wouldn't be a surprise if the civilians saw the few innocents with the convicts as collateral damage/acceptable losses if means their own survival. Because that situation reeks of "it's either you or me".
I know right! That’s so messed up! Like they all immediately wanted to blow up the boat because of the convicts but ignoring the police and sailors aboard it.
You know Gandalf from Lord of the Rings says this. "Many that live deserves death, some who die deserve life." There is also one where he says that "True courage is not knowing when to take a life, but knowing when to spare one." The convict that threw out the detonator is an example of this.
"Do not be so quick to deal out death and judgement"
-Gandalf
great comment
@@adekaiwamisou This is true, but in the grand scheme of things, the warden was supposed to make that decision, but was just as unwilling to take lives as that businessman in the end was. The prisoner that was quiet the whole time until that moment, if he was a real guy I could sense had enough and if he was going to die at that moment, he would accept it whether death came or not.
It's funny on how people that have not lived through hell are *SO* willing to take another's life and yet when they have that power in their hands, they'll never do it even if their life depended on it. Because they are *not ready* to carry that burden.
Do the right thing because it is right. This clearly was not.
The innocents become the criminals and the criminals become the innocents
+TheNintendogirl1 No. There is no bad thing in trying to survive. And criminals? If this man wassentenced to death what he could loose? Last meal? He wanted to make last good deed to go to Heaven or sth.
+GUNINANRUNIN That's Tony Lister Jr. Not Michael Clark Duncan. Not by a long shot
+GUNINANRUNIN No worries. I thought the same thing when I first saw him too! There is definitely a resemblance.
+GUNINANRUNIN In their defense, under the Joker's rules, it was "them" or "us AND them".
both of the ships had innocent and criminals on board.
R.I.P Tommy “Debo” Lister Legendary Scene
I came here after hearing news of Tommy 'Tiny' Lister's passing. RIP big man
Heath is so fucking scary in this scene.
The Joker is probably Jigsaws long lost son 😅😂
+JeepWrangler4X4 I don't know but I like the Joker's ideologies about the human race. No matter how fucked up they might be.
ZVER410 He is correct in many of his ideas on the human race. But I still think where we are now is better than his idealization of humanity: chaos, anarchy.
RemixedVoice if it was for his ideals there would be nothing.
4:16 what if he missed the window opening "fuk hangon let me pick it up real quick. "
It wouldn't be surprising, it's like saying what if shaque O' neil missed an 3 point shot jump shot from the outside?
i wouldn't be surprised...
They would all team up on him and try to take it if he missed.
RIP Tommy Lister
Rest in Peace, Tommy "Tiny" Lister
June 24, 1958 - December 10, 2020
You were the most noble character on the prisoner ship.
4:17 The moment when everyone in the theater stood up and gave a standing ovation.
If this were to play out in real life...you know they'd fucking push the button in 15 seconds or so.
The Joker's right.
If you saw a group of people getting shot at, I highly doubt you would step in to disarm the gunner. You say you would but your subconscious goes into fight or flight mode and you act irrationally. It's like talking to a girl you find attractive, your conscious mind tells you nothing is wrong with it yet you still don't do it.
shadowpal2 I wouldn't. Probably too scared to have those blood on my hand.
Gaivs Jvlivs Caesar Augustus Germanicvs and get thrown in prison? Umm no thanks
Caligvla Caesar Good thing you weren't in possession of the detonator, then.
Knowing joker, that device would have a high chance to detonate each boat’s own bomb
Probably
Knowing Joker, he would've set them to a time bomb anyway.
Everyone is ready to talk shit until it's their hands on the trigger. Dude was trying to act tough and rationalize how easy it was to kill the other people. But once he had his hand on the detonator, he couldn't do it. Once you cross that line, there is no going back. This is why Batman refuses to kill.
What if when the prisoner throws the detonator out the window it accidentally goes off? That would've been awkward.
You need to turn the key all the way around while having it pressed in all the way, that's hard to do by itself.
+iRazenrak but the circuit itself is being damaged
Lmao
It'd be more awkward if the detonator was for their own ship
People love to criticize this movie solely because it's so popular.. But there is a reason why it's popular... It's absolutely incredible. Every single scene is absolutely genius, so perfectly molded together and the plot twists are insane...
There are at least 5-6 scenes that you would consider the stand out scene in this movie.. This is art plain and simple. Not to mention Heath Ledger was the stand out star by far!
@@Friendlasagna edge
Not to mention absolutely no cgi involved except for the harvey’s face. No flashy cgi fight or action. Just pure art
@@blackjk1234 That's the genius of Christopher Nolan. He prefers to film as practically as possible. The flooding and train scenes in Inception were shot practically.
Jack Nicholson is the best Joker.
Nobody is criticizing this movie.
This is such a great scene it shows that sometimes "good people" will vote to do a bad thing. While also showing that sometimes a "bad person" will do what is right.
At the beginning of the movie, at the bank robbery scene, the banker said to the Joker that the criminals of Gotham used to believe in honour and respect. I think I understand that now. This proves that there is still hope for humanity.
No, that guy accepted his fate not necessarily making him a good person but it did make him a honorable one. And respect was one out of fear for criminals. Humanity has hope but that is in those who can take responsibility for their wrongs and those that have the will to resist making those and that is hard with the lenient society we are building.
Ironically, when I first watched this scene I saw the citizens as a greater threat than the convicts, whom I fully expected to rebel against Joker's game. If you think about it, it's deceptively simple; the average citizen gets by in life because they follow RULES, which govern the colossal game we call 'society' and ultimately play a large part in shaping their world view. Criminals are criminals because they refuse to obey these rules, whether for personal gain, anti-authoritarian/social attitudes, or sheer irrationality. They don't like being told what to do.
Now, you have these two groups pitted against each other in a different game, one where the rules are clear and you stand to win the ultimate prize. Which of the two would you trust; people who instinctively reject orders, or people who have built their lives on them? Remember, the former made a firm decision to toss out the controller, while the latter arguably chose to spill blood- but lacked the nerve...
Choose wisely.
***** You haven't met most humans.
Hau Tak Leighton Tam Don't forget that what we're looking at is fiction (excellent, thought-provoking fiction!), so we can't use anything seen in the video as evidence. Yes, that super-awesome guy tossed out the controller. Yes, the one who was going to kill the jailed people to save the civilians ended up lacking the nerve. But this is just what occurred in the fictitious choice.
Don't forget that we have the benefit of knowing what happens at midnight: namely, that Batman stops the joker. If at the end both boats really were going to blow up and kill everyone on board, it doesn't seem crystal-clear to me that the right choice is to let that happen.
For example, the children and young people on the civilian ferry have yet to enjoy some fundamental human experiences in life, and have very long lives ahead of them. That could be seen as a good reason to spare the civilian boat.
Or maybe the best solution is to place the detonator in the middle of the civilians, and let anyone who wants to use it use it. If everyone is willing to sacrifice themself rather than play joker's game, that's fine, but no one should be forced to make the sacrifice.
Also, speaking of fiction, I find it VERY hard to believe that the woman with the child would just sit there. That's her CHILD! Seems like, especially near the time limit, she would've fought to try to save the boat. Maybe she realizes that you never know what's going to happen in a Joker game.
MrProgrampro Didn't the civilian boat leave that as the option? Which is why that one man got up and said "No one wants to get their hands dirty. Fine. I'll do it."
And we also have the benefit of knowing that if Batman *doesn't* stop the Joker, the Joker will likely blow the remaining ship anyway.
I think it also takes a try and gripping onto the moral superiority complex of the average citizens ideas and expectations that their lives are worth more than the convicts. I've actually wondered if the Joker might have actually set it up for the people to blow their own boat if they pulled the trigger, he lied to batman about where Rachel was didn't he? He enjoyed chaos, and turning what people thought they knew upside down. I like this scene, and I'm glad the citizens decided not to go through with it. They passed the test of choosing self sacrifice in order to spare Some lives. That's why he was forcing them to make a mortal choice, either live and kill or be complacent and die. But I'd like to think they chose not to do it to show they also had the ability and right to choose.
+omenofsedad cry me a fucking river. you're probably a piece of shit too.
4:18 is my favorite scene from the whole movie because it shows that deep down, everybody (no matter what kind of person) has humanity
But it shows the "civilized people" where the real monsters since they were initially the first to pull the trigger.
4:16 Deebo being the hero for once.
That is some Jigsaw sh!t.
*Shit
S***
The majority of people will fall apart at the first sign of danger to their existence. Remember that the boat of civilians voted overwhelmingly to turn the trigger key. But it takes one man, either through strength of will (Batman, and the convict) or through a goodness deep-down that repels him from doing what's wrong (Gordon, and the civilian businessman) to influence the rest and keep society from collapsing.
The Joker tries to show the world how arbitrary society is, and how it's unnatural for people not to eat each other. He arguably proves it by corrupting a symbol of society and control merely by taking one thing away from him--Harvey Dent, and his wife. But unlike Harvey, who couldn't withstand having the one thing grounding him taken away from him, Bruce is able to endure the loss of Rachel. Why? Because Alfred doesn't let him read the letter. People looking out for each other. Simple gestures, gestures that the person doing them probably doesn't realize the consequences of them. What holds us together is such a fragile social consciousness, something that cannot in truth be held together by an authoritarian force (Batman.) What the world needs is a good man to rally around (Harvey), not a bad man to fear. But those are few and far between, so we take what we can get.
+Max Moran 141 against, less than 400 for. That's between 1/2 and 2/3 majority, so not terribly overwhelming.
thanks for the read!
fuckin edgy Edgerson right here
I never realized the part about the letter. I mean I understood why Alfred didn't give it to Bruce but its pretty neat how the same motive that batman had for taking the blame for Harvey's crimes, is the same line of reasoning Alfred used against him which allowed him to beat the joker
I know I’m 3 years late but that was utterly beautiful
RIP Tommy Lister. He definitively played this scene perfectly.
I like how Batman's not the only hero in this movie.
When I first watched this I didn't know what to think. It almost brought a tear to my eye when the prisoner tossed the bomb remote. What does this say about human beings?
That we can change and be stubborn. This did not make him a hero (that guy was part of Bane's army I think) but it does make him honorable to a degree. He accepted his sins and was ready to pay, that is something we can admire.
Louis M.
It tells us even though we’re animals (on a biological level.) we can still overcome our selfs and so our true humanity. It shows we don’t have to be afraid of chaos or deception.
Killer Joy isnt bane not in Gotham yet in this timeline? Or are you saying he joins bane in the future
It says writers write whatever they like.
Because this doesn't necessarily mean that this is what gonna happen if it really did happen.
nothing, its a movie lol
The tension in this scene is almost Hitchcock-esque. Love it. It's scenes like this that elevate The Dark Knight so much above many other superhero movies.
If this were real life someone would’ve turned the key before Joker even finished his sentence
This movie was so fucking good
I'm pissed off. I just wanted to read the comment section about the prisoners but I see half of them with 'It's just a prank bro' comments. It's funny the first time but now it's fucking annoying.
I will say; bastards...
you're right, it got annoying very quickly.
indeed...
@Jack Mikulic Lmao, but have to agree with him that these prank comments are Cliche and unfunny now
The moment after he throws the detonator out is just fantastic, when everybody realises that they are now doomed, yet know it was the right thing to do. Good acting from the extras. 4:24
The greatest message in this scene is that of all the people, a priosoner is the only one who is noble enough to not be selfish
Yet the civilians, the people, are willing to do it but do t want to get their hands dirty, they stop simply out of reluctance, not good will.
Not entirely true. The prisoner did make the noble decision, that much is accurate, but in regards to the civilians, reluctance isn't enough to make someone willingly pass up an opportunity to survive in such a dire situation. The man on the civilian boat was choosing between killing and almost certain death to himself. Reluctance isn't enough to wipe out survival instinct; the decision not to push the button and nobody indicting him for failing to push the button and save them all means that consciously or not, that was his and their decency winning out over fear and selfishness.
This shows the power of both order and defiance can overcome treachery. The citizens feel none of them can push the button for fear of seeing themselves as a monster for doing so and the prisoner refuses to play Joker’s game with lives and sees which way the guard is leaning when it comes to the detonator.
The prisoner is not being noble. He is being defiant. Defying the Joker and his game.
@@stefanalexmedrano92 Nah he just didn't have balls all talk and no do. There were children on the boat so it's selfish either way choosing scum over them.
@@betheprotag They wouldn't be monsters what about the children on the boat, you're a monster anyway letting them die.
RIP Tom Lister Jr. June 24, 1958 - December 10, 2020) 😢
I see I'm not the only one who remembered Tom Lister's most iconic role.
Didn't the next movie just prove the Joker's point? Everyone either joined Bane and his thugs or were cowed sheep.
Janet G That's why the next movie is best ignored.
SamVision It was better though.
Hank Hill
No, no it was not.
SamVision It was by far better. The Joker is the only good thing about this movie.
It's been awhile since I saw the last one but didn't they think they were reforming society or something? Joker's whole point was that society is a joke, but the league of shadows seemed to embrace society as a whole.
" LETS PUT IT TO A VOTE" he had the most serious face ever, like somebody stole his basketball and wrote their name on it
Dude
3:38 and 4:18 “In their last moments people show you who they really are”
Its really interesting and incredible to watch this scene, how it’s crafted and written. We see that the guilty man isn’t gonna kill a boat full of innocent men, women and children, and even saved the head guards life, he was being selfless yet the innocent man was willing to kill the prisoners and even some of the guards on the other boat (I know that he stops). It’s a simple but effective scene that perfectly displays the difference between making the wrong and right choice.
Yeah it furthers the point of the Joker saying that everyone is capable of being a monster when push comes to shove. The civilian does change his mind after giving it some more thought but his initial reaction to was press the button
RIP Tommy Lister Jr. He played the convict that threw the detonator to the sea
Yh and deebo in Friday
He used to be a wwe star aswell
No comic book-inspired movie has ever had a finale with emotional power like this. Every time they say, oh the world is going to end or one city is going to be completely destroyed, but it was this scene, with only a few hundred lives on the line, but also the stakes of "Gotham's Soul," which moved me the most.
Best scenes in the trilogy. Bar none
Now imagine if Thanos was present at one of the ferry... he's going to bring 'balance'.
When the chips are down, these uhh "civilized" people, will eat each other.
That man at the end deserves a presidential pardon.
IRL prisoners wouldn't have pressed it because they might have their families in the other boat.
Civies would've pressed it because they don't care about criminals anyway.
Check the comments section of any crime related post. Everybody is perfect, and could never imagine themselves falling so lowly. Most people today I feel are beyond prideful and this scene was a great example(and also counter example) of that notion.
Mikey Lewis
Yea, like the Joker said:
"I'm not crazy. I'm just ahead of the curve."
OnlineNamesAreStrange Honestly, the average criminal probably wouldn't want all that blood on their hands. Only the most twisted psychopath like Joker would be eager to do it, and someone like that would be in isolation anyway.
TheWaverunners
If you took the time to understand what I wrote, you wouldn't be writing it again.
I wasn't talking about the criminals pressing the button. I was talking about the civvies most likely deciding to press the button and then justifying their decision afterwards by saying the criminals deserved it anyways even though they themselves just demonstrated that they are no better.
The criminals already know their sins. That's why they don't have pride. The civvies, however, still retain a holier than thou attitude. This is a movie, so the Batman will win coz of plot armor, but IRL, the civvies would press that button in a heartbeat. The criminals too, maybe, but there would be some fighting because they also have family on the outside. 50/50 for the criminals pressing it. 100 for the civvies pressing it.
Then again, this is all speculation. Uncountable times, we can see IRL, people killing other people and justifying it. Anyone with a basic knowledge on wars can recognize this. There are no saints in human interactions. There are only the less demonic, as the Joker reveals.
I'm with you. Plus, a lot of the prisoners would perhaps see the situation as a chance for redemption and most of the people on the civilian boat would take the attitude of 'Well we're good people, those guys have done bad things so killing them is totally fair!'. BUT ultimately when it comes down to it, I'd argue that whilst there'd be plenty of people on the civilian boat saying they want the button to be pressed they wouldn't actually be prepared to do it themselves. like the mouthy guy who went up to press it and ultimately backed out.
This scene actually makes me tear up. Seeing a few individuals do the right things despite facing death. Not a lot of people would.
Rest up deebo
This scene made me cry out of all the amazing parts in The Dark Knight. Seeing Batman as a good guy was good enough, but seeing normal citizens willing to do good even when it cost their life was the best.
RIP deebo
The one who threw the detonator
I like the fact that prisoners are part of the experiment to allude to the fact that this situation is an example of Prisoner's Dilemma.
RIP Tiny Lister
the prison mate was correct to discard the controller. playing along with an insane guy is ludicrous.
RIP Debo
I’ve seen this movie God knows how many times and saw it for the first time 12 years ago. But this scene still gives me goosebumps every single time.
This isn’t just the greatest superhero film ever made. It’s one of the best OVERALL movies I’ve ever seen.....
Rip deebo/ Zeus/dark knight prisoner
You know what's the funniest part? They probably had the detonators to there own explosives. The Joker did say if anyone chose to blow up the other boat he would let That boat go.
It's a prank bro! It's a social experiment!
4:17 “In their last minutes, people show you who they truly are.”
I honestly think Joker proved his point twice. First, large majority on both ships were for detonating (until one guy on both ships took decision into his hands). Secondly, Joker stated that good people will be ultimately broken when they hear about Dent. Batman obviously agreed, since he decided to hide truth about Dent.
Imagine when the criminal threw the remote it landed on a rock at the bottom pushing the button 🎇
RIP Tommy Lister, always loved his part in this scene
Rip Tiny Lister
R.I.P Deebo!! Always remembered this scene!
Love that they had the mother in this scene. Where it’s not just herself she’s trying to justify saving. What a gal.
Love that the Joker is also reading a script. Showing that is he actually a planner, unlike what he told Harvey. What a guy.
What a movie.
this just defined society at its current state
Dylan Ogega split sides of certain elections, mainly. Split believes and ideologies, which can be conflicting.
Michael Mordecai
Except people don't accept one another's views, so no, that is most certainly not a good comparison.
We live in a society
@@kitnamedgran No we live in a Freak show
another deep society joke
The Nolan Batman movies and the Friday movies take place in the same universe
RIP Tommy Lister.
R.I.P. to Tommy Tiny Lister the inmate who made the right choice
RIP Tommy “tiny” aka Zeus aka Debo
R.I.P Debo
1:17 "sky high" the bald prisoner closest to the camera actually nods in a sort of approval after the Joker says this. It's like he's applauding him and his evil plan.
What a nut.
+jake challoner bald guy appreciates the rhyme
Ya actually....I was thinking is it only me to notice this...!!...He is like..."Oooo this is the plan....OK....Fine..."!!!
Probably suicidal
Joker: IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO!
yeah, why so serious?