Fox DSC vs King Adjusters - Compression Damping Adjustment Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2022
- Here we have a 2.5 inch adjustable reservoir shock option from two of the top names in race level suspension products: Fox and King. So which one is right for you? We go over the technical differences so you can sort through the pros and cons for each.
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I have a 2017 ram rebel with air suspension. I want to take that out and get a whole new setup and 35 in tires. This is my main car so on the freeway a lot. I maybe go off road once in a blue moon, but majority is road and snow during winter. What would you recommend for shocks?
There is 3way suspension from debinson it will be great to compare it to fox two way.. great content
We have it in the books to test our Dobinson parts.
I have a 2006 Jeep Wrangler TJ. Aiming for about 10 inch travel with some prothane coil inserts to help with bottom outs. I need a shock that can control the short wheel base through dunes and lots of whoops. As is with basic twin tubes it bounces around all over the place and the back wheels leave the ground alot. As far as weight goes it will be fairly stock, lightweight front bar and rear tyre carrier. If you could give me any pointers that would be awesome.
Contact our sales team directly and we'll guide you in the right direction.
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Hi! What would you recommend for me, I have a 22 ford bronco badlands Sasquatch. I mostly do overlanding, hauling my camping gear. I also do moderate off roading.
If you have the 4 Door version, go with the Bilstein 6100 which would be the best bang for the buck to cover all your bases.
I have a 2021 F150 FX4, I know King has a setup for me but I can't find a Fox equivalent setup. Performance Elite version, that adjustability is what I'm looking for. Any assistance would be great.
Fox has not released a Performance Elite series for the 2021+ Ford F150.
Me2 …. Still waiting since almost a year now! And I think I’m going to go with king 2.5 “option 2”
What shocks do you recommend for riding on different terrain so i am not flying off the seat when drivingover a bump in a ram 2500?
My shocks are due. I wrote down kingshocks but im not sure if i want to spend $3000 on front shocks eight now. Bilsteins seem to be ok but do you have other recommendations? We live on a duty road and well our drinks are all over when riding on that street
A good simple set of Bilstien 5100's are going to give you a sizeable difference in ride quality. If youre on long dirt roads, you can step up to the 5160's. If you arent doing a lot of hard off road driving, theres no need to step up to high performance shocks like the Kings
@@ShockSurplus should have said in the front. What would you use in the front?
the fronts would be the same thing, 5100 for more of an upgrade from stock and 5160 for more off-roading.
@@silkemueller1391 I"m jumping in here with my own opinion. If you're going to get shocks just spend a little more and dont get the 5100's. Those are just skinny, cheap shocks and you wont notice much of a ride difference and in the end you'll regret wasting the money. Get at least Bilstein 6112's in the front and 5160's in the back. I have those and they're great on and offroad although one day when I pay off my truck I plan to get higuer end.
@@johnnytorres277 agreed. I have those as a book mark suspension set up, have had them for 2 years and I off-road quite a bit, not high speed, but still over a variety of terrain. They have done very well. The best low cost option anywhere. King and Fox are definitely top tier, but those are on a whole other level and the prices reflect that. Eventually I will have to transition to those due to my rig being part of a major project.
I do med some hard trails what shocks do you recommend me for my 2020 Tacoma preferably adjustable ?
It really depends on how aggressive you want to build this. Fox 2.5 DSC, King 2.5 Adjustable, OME BP51, and Bilstein 8112/8100 are all great high performance parts.
@@ShockSurplus ok but which do you prefer
I have a 1999 Xj on 4.5" lift, was thinking of getting some Kings for the front but every where I looked they are sold out. Are the Fox 2.0s with CD adjuster comparable. For the price of the front pair of King Shocks I can get all 4 of the 2.0s, currently running some rough country shocks so either would be a huge improvement.
King is all made to order and our current lead time for OE Performance is 4-5 months, and custom PR is 6-10 weeks.
If you're not really off-roading then both are overkill but Fox 2.0 would ride soft
You mentioned how to adjust stiffness on the knob, but does the same apply with the knob reservoir mounted upside down?
every adjuster we know is righty-tighty; meaning going firmer on the compression adjustment - more damping. That's either restricting the oil flow to the reservoir through a needle (kings), or preloading a shimstack in the reservoir (Fox)
I just bought the fox 2.5 for my 2020 ram 1500. I did the front and rear. My question is, do I need to do upper and lower A arms as well? And if so is BDS a good brand to go with? Thanks
We generally suggest that you should but if you're using the Fox 2.5 are not doing the full lift they provide or more than 2" then it's not really required but it's something we generally tell everyone to get. We don't offer BDS so we cannot provide you insight on their product but they should be since they're a part of Fox
@@ShockSurplus thank you for the feed back. And I’ve noticed my rear is lower now with the 2.0’s would a stiffer rear spring help that? Or just add bags?
@@f16troopermech A bigger penis would help, then you don't have to worry how high your truck sits in the air👍😁.
But if you must need to raise the back of your truck 1.5 inches, look into getting the compensator coilovers complete with a Trojan Magnum rubber to protect the pistons rods😏.
*Question, I got 2015 2500hd 6.6 LTZ when I travel down 95 in Philly a second of road makes front of truck literally hop up n down like crazy at 50-90 mph it drives me crazy what shocks should or would take care of that type rebound, I noticed this going 35 going down regular streets as well, I have rough country shocks which were better than factory lol I know they suck hence why I’m asking for help, im about put level keys on and crank it 1/2 way until my control arm come in and I can install them 3in lift/level*
A set of Bilstein or Fox will help with that behavior, we know exactly what you're talking about. You can select the front height setup here for your leveling kit
www.shocksurplus.com/products/fox-2-0-performance-series-shocks-set-for-2011-2019-chevrolet-silverado-2500-hd-4wd-rwd?variant=32323145334833
Really would like the fox setup for my 2018 Sierra 2500, unfortunately I don’t think they offer them for my application. My daily commute has a 2 mile stretch of decently intense off road and would love to just fly through it, instead I’m stuck going 5mph. Any suggestions?
They do offer shocks for you.
www.shocksurplus.com/products/fox-2-0-performance-series-shocks-set-for-2011-2019-gmc-sierra-2500-hd-4wd-rwd
I have the Fox dsc's on my 2020 Sierra 2500. Full open to fully closed is not as significantly different as this video suggests but it is better than nothing and worth the upgrade.
do you have a lift on the vehicle? torsion keys maxed out? Its hard to change the ride quality on those torsion bar equipped trucks
Wich one is better for the off-roading and daily driving ? King or fox on a Ford bronco 2022
Cheers bro
Both are great. We have not personally tested them on our 2022 Bronco Badlands with the Sasquatch package as we're waiting for both manufacture to produce them. However we have tested them on other vehicles and both work great for daily driving. Both are also great on off-roading and it's depends on what you're looking for. King has a low speed compression and rebound adjustment while Fox has DSC which has low and high speed compression adjustment.
I have a stock GX470. Will be running 33's, maybe 34's, using as daily driver 50% of the time, and 50% on: Wups, Washboards, Gullies, some Sand and Slick rock. Will on occasion tow teardrop. Do I get FOX 2.0's or 2.5's. How would you set this 470 up with this driving criteria ? Thank you !
Just really depends on how much you want to build the vehicle and how capable you would like the vehicle to be. We run Fox 2.5 on couple of vehicles but they're built for crawling and the desert. Fox 2.0 are a great starting point for those getting into it while Fox 2.5 are a much higher costly investment but will handle much better in off-roading.
@@ShockSurplus Performance is key. 2.5's it is !
I have a 07 Gmc Sierra 1500 SLE I pull a lot with this truck, including a 16 ft enclosed trailer, I'm looking for coilovers for front and rear of the truck, would you recommend the king or the fox?
Neither, both will be overkill and not great for towing. Look at Bilstein 5100 or KYB Monomax if you want to focus on towing. King and Fox are going to be better for off-roading.
I can't find these Fox socks that are setup like this i.e - high/low speed adjustments. Do you sell lift kits with this Fox system? I would rather just order a complete lift with these exact shocks.
We don't sell full lift kits. We mainly focused on just the struts and shock options. What vehicle is this for?
@@ShockSurplus it would be for a 2023 bronco badlands Sasquatch looking to fit 37's with no rub and really like the dual adjustibility dials and configuration. What part number is that, same shock/coil you showed in the video
Do you have a 2 door or 4 door? The Bronco uses slightly different parts as they have IFS or struts/coilovers in all four corners. However they do make different part numbers based on 2 door and 4 door.
@@ShockSurplus 4 door
I just installed a 2.5 kings most time fwy and overland heavy on the rear how many clicks note front for the street driving is ideal???
lefty loosy, which opens it all the way up, will make the ride the softest. All the way to the right, closes the ports, and makes it the firmest ride.
What do you recommend for a 2020 at4 2500. I’m not going off roading just towing a 22ft boat
Bilstein 5100 is a towing and hauling shocks. That would suits your needs specifically.
I would like to have the piggyback rear elite fox shocks for my Tacoma. I don't want to drill into the frame. Is this available for the taco?
Nope, they are remote reservoir only. The modifications required to make a piggyback shock with a reservoir as big as these work would far exceed far exceed drilling one hole in the frame anyway
What’s your thoughts on falcon 3.3 adjustable shocks as comparison to fox & king?👍
They do a heck of a job building them and speccing them for sure, however we generally tend to prefer the way the Fox and Kings feel. Certanly a lot of people who love their Falcons though, we just have not always shared their sentiment
@@ShockSurplus I think I totally understand👍
I have Z71 Trailboss 2022 single cab .. which one do you recommend
It depends on your goals and preferences really. The Kings can usually be set up to be more soft and plush while the Fox are usually firmer, even when adjusted for maximum comfort, however they can be set up to handle a whole lot better. So if you like a "sportier" feel and prioritize control and consistency then the Fox is your winner, but if you want to ride on clouds, you probably want a King.
Im having issues hearing any of the audio! Additionally, sub titles are not working. This video looks like it is very informative! I wanna know what is going on! HAHA!
The audio is working fine for us. We don't have the subtitle option enable currently.
Oh wow sorry, you are missing out on the best video ever on shocks.........ever.
I am having issues as well. You need both speakers for the sound to work which is weird. If I turn off one of my wireless ear buds the sound gets terrible in the other one. If I have both on I can hear it just fine. I can't say I have ever had that problem before lol.
@@PAPatriotPodcast thanks for solving that
The left channel is out of phase with the right. This is due to a mono balanced output plugged into a stereo input on the camera.
Did y’all already fix the audio? Because I’m not having any issues hearing 😂
We have not but sounds fine for us as well.
@@ShockSurplus Only the ads are clear. The video itself has corrupted sound. Cannot be heard. So many have pointed it out. Isn't it better to reupload the video even though you can hear it properly. Try running it on a different device and account.
60 mph in my raptor on the highway is not the same as off road. So how can the speed be measured? Just beating up and down? Thanks sorry I’m stupid.
Sure so there are two speeds we talk about in this video. Shaft speed or the rate of suspension movement and vehicle speed. For the most part we are not necessarily all that concerned with vehicle speed on the road. How it rides at 10mph in your neighborhood is largely how it is going to ride at 80 mph in the fast lane. Off road what is considered high or low vehicle speeds is very subjective to the vehicle itself. 25 mph down a forest road might be blazing in an old leaf sprung Jeep, but would be barely creeping in Raptor, so we are not necessarily all that concerned with the specific number itself. When we say high speed off road, we are talking about driving on rough terrain at speeds that get close to the limits inherent of the chassis. When we are talking about shaft speed, IE high speed or low speed compression or rebound we are talking about the rate in which the suspension compresses or extends. Generally vehicle speed has very little to do with high speed or low speed suspension events. Although their is some overlap, high speed suspension tuning is largely what defines your bump stiffness and low speed dampening is what controls body motions like sway around corners, squat on the throttle, or dive under braking. If you take a turn at 2 or 200 mph how much it rolls has to do with low speed compression and rebound. Conversely regardless of vehicle speeds, how it feels over bumps that actually matter has to do with high speed compression.
Can these shocks be used for towing?
Certainly, the Fox DSC would be better suited for that since you can tighten up the low speed adjustment for road handling / sway. King will work as well, but off the shelf Kings are "typically" softer than Fox for the daily drive. So while this equates to excellent comfort, the handling is sacrificed, but we're being nit-picky here.
What about icon vs fox and king?
We might plan something but currently are working on other content.
Just recorded this video, will be going live in the next 30 days
Are these bypass shocks?
These are not bypass shocks, just normal adjustable reservoir shocks. Are you looking for bypasses? Which vehicle?
I have a 2006 F250 10” lift, what shocks works better for a daily use king or fox dsc?
This is going to be quite custom but depends on what you use it for. King is a more 50/50 daily and general off-roading. Fox is more off-roading geared towards trails and speed.
Anything for escalade esv 09 I just want smooth ride
If you have any electronic suspension like air ride, air bags, magneride, or anything else that can electronically controled you suspension, we wouldn't not be able to offer any parts for your vehicle.
Can’t hear the video but I can hear the ads just fine 😂
Thank you for your feedback
I wondered the same thing! FB and over videos on TH-cam works fine using bluetooth earpiece but the video is muffled!!! WTH is going on?
Bro what is this audio
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
THOUGHT IT WAS ME
There is no audio
I am also having audio problems watching this on either my phone or my Apple TV
The recording of this was a bit close and loud to the mic. We have it on the books to redo.
Which shocks do you personally prefer??
We definitely are a big fan of the dual speed compression adjustability of the Fox. They also usually are a touch firmer on base valving so they generally may not be quite as comfortable, but a Fox is generally more predictable and stable than a King.
Audio is gone
I’m not buying the “dual” adjustment feature. Oil goes into the reservoir one way and comes back same way. The restriction doesn’t care if it’s high or low cycling.
You should look into motorcycle shocks, way more than dual adjustment for good reason. Point being is the more adjustment and shim stacks the better assuming they are tuned properly.
Fox's channel has a deep dive into the internals on how the mechanism works
Take them apart side by side and compare. You basically didn't even compare them, just talked about the adjuster knobs. 🤷
A new video coming out is a little more indepth about piston design, materials components, thanks for the feedback. This video is specific to the adjustments, as titled, so....
Can't even hear him lol ... Did you even watch this?
We cant replicate the audio problem some people are having, are you on your phone or computer?
Sounds find. Clean the shit out of your ears…..lol
Yea I was listening to it also and than decided to put my earphones in and than it just played static the whole time. Thought it was my headset. Decided to watch 5 other videos just fine. And this video was the only issue with my earbuds in.
@@blklstoff-road8508 your mom likes it
I couldn’t hear anything at first with right earbuds but when I put my left 1 in they both started playing lol 😂 kinda weird.
video is informative, but audio is complete garbage.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
WTF 🚫🔊
Thank you for the insight.