You do a really good job explaining the technical items where there are tons of variables... people tend to get lost in the variables and accept an over simplified way to try and compare products.. This video must have been a ton of work to map out how to explain everything simply... I admire this level of work and detail. Great stuff.
Thanks for the video, although I thought I knew the difference between twin tube and monotube shocks, I did learn a few things. Personally, I have had good results with both kinds of shocks. However, there is one aspect of this comparison you didn't address, and that is trail damage. A monotube shock is much more vulnerable to damage by a rock hit, because the ding can prevent piston travel past it, whereas a twin tube shock can sustain the same hit without impeding function at all.
Most heigh end monotube shock for Toyota, it mount upside down, the rod on the bottom and the tube on the top, it is hard to damage the tube ,What you pay what you get !
I love the videos featuring the Ironman foam cell pros. When I was buying mine, there was a lot of of mixed info and uncertainty on the forums regarding the performance and longevity of the foam cell twin tube design. Wish your videos existed back then so I could feel at ease buying the shocks. I appreciate you showing the raw data and conclusions in each videos focus with the foam cell pros being an example of a shock design that doesn’t follow the same mono tube construction as most of the other shocks available on the market right now. Keep up the awesome work, Kai!
Dude, I reference your videos all of the time with all my yota friends. Keep up the good content and continue to take your time making videos. Thats what sets you apart from other youtubers. You don’t just post tons of videos to get likes and subs. Keep up the great scientific work.
Most of this was over my head, buti really look forward to watching you service your Icons and explain the difference in performance before and after. My brain always wants the "best of the best", so I got excited watching the professional motorsports footage 😂 but you're right, I just want to hoon in the woods and haul wood and stuff
Finally, someone with some scientific explanation. soooo many of the shock related youtube videos, even by manufacturers, are like some sort of "red neck voodoo" explanations about black boxes with no information about what is going on inside and how the different types work. They act like a higher price is a product description. You got a new subscriber.
This is the most informative and clearest presentation on shock construction I have seen in my 30 years of working on cars. I look forward to more of your videos.
Man this was way more detailed than the rest of the guys that explains about, twin tube and monotube shocks. And u got a new sub for this. ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Nice video, well organized. You missed some things though. Only inexpensive mono-tube shocks, e.g. Bilstein 51xx and Fox Performance, have ultra high pressure, like 250-300+ PSI. Better shocks, the owner rebuildable kinds like Bilstein 7100, Fox Factory, King, etc. work fine with lower pressures. Fox 2.0s with no res, recommended pressure is just 150 PSI, 7100s, recommended is 180-220PSI, similar with King. It just needs to be enough to prevent cavitation at high shaft speeds. The higher pressures like in the 5100s are only because it has to last the life of the shocks and the eventual pressure loss over time.... 'cause they don't have Schrader valves on the tops to set/re-set pressure like the better shocks do.
This has to be the best video in terms of explaining shocks. Its good to point out that Ironman aren't the only ones producing off road foam cell shocks. There are others who are just as good. I would like to ask though. Given the whole explanation above, which is the better shock design - foam cell or remote reservoir.
Finally someone else that has explained that the sole purpose of the remote resovoir is to lower operating pressure and create a nicer ride and increase seal and wear band life is only a side effect and that the extra cooling is only an added side effect
Awesome video. Thank you so much for making this video. Probably the best shock video ever made. OCD here but the Ideal gas law is PV=nRT. n being mole. Keep up the great work!
Another great video - its worth adding another benefit of twin tube shocks on vehicles doing high speed gravel road work or likely to drag shocks on obstacles, especially applicable to rears - a dent in outer body of a twin tube shock has negligible impact on performance whereas a dented body on a monotube is usually terminal for the shock.
That is true. I actually took some footages demonstrating this but I cut that out due to video getting long. The bilstein actually took a lot to dent. I hit it with a pointed hammer quite aggressively, took about 3 good hit till the piston bind. So unless it’s a very inferior thin wall shock, gravels will not hurt it. Also, all monotube rear shocks are inverted mounted. The shock bodies are way up there, so I’ve never seen one getting scratched. Twin tube has to be mounted shock body down because of the base valve.
Yes good point, I forgot that the monotube shocks are inverted, though that can lead to peppering of the piston rod if its not well shrouded. A lot of our travel is thousands of kilometres on high speed gravel outback roads which grit blasts anything in and around the rear axle.
You really thought me about shocks today and now i have a better idea of what to get for my ride. Thanks man! Wish I could find some remote resys for a liberty lol
I recently just put a lift kit in my 2015 Kakadu Prado with Kdss. I'm running the Tjm xgs series springs and shocks up front, with outback armour shocks and airbag man extended airbags in the rear. The entire kit, with uca's in the front, cost about $4,000 aud. So far the rebound has been harsh onroad, but performance is ok offroad. It's making me reconsider redoing my suspension again for better performance onroad with more control offroad. Lifting with kdss is often expensive and a headache. Was considering monotubes with remote res, but now I have no idea on which direction to go. 😂
I have a 2015 KDSS 4Runner and I have finally decided not to lift it for those reasons. Unless I want to soak 15k+ into long arms etc.. it just doesn’t seem worth it. I’ll do a body mount relocation and fender trimming before I lift it.
I sure hope you are making a decent amount of income from these videos! Your te and effort spent to make them is invaluable to so many people, even those who (for some reason, ha ha ha) do not own Toyotas. I think I am about all caught up on your posts, and have learned quite a bit. And they are also entertaining to boot! Please keep 'em coming!!!
Excellent breakdown as always. Your reaction when you drilled out the Bilstein gave me a good chuckle (Not that I would have reacted any differently!) Also the piston rod as a pointer was a nice touch. :)
ALWAYS SO informative and taught in a way it's easy to understand ! Awesome vid AS ALWAYS :- ) !! Love the subjects and really learn a lot here..Thank you Sir !
I am looking forward to your product-specific reviews! I too learned a bit more about twin tube and how FCP differs from standard twin tube (IM nitro, Dobinson's basic and OME) construction and performance. I'm looking forward to your dissection of the Dob's MRA shocks and how they compare/contrast to others in the field (Bil's, Icon, King, ETC.). 🤙🏼
Pretty neat video! I would add that heat transfer happens in three major categories. Conduction, convection, and radiation. Conduction is solid to solid, convection is solid to liquid, and radiation only occurs at extremely high temperatures and does not require a medium to transfer heat. So shock heat is not actually radiated, rather convected away from the oil by the solid body, then convected away from the body to the surrounding air. No radiation heat transfer occurs. Great video and keep up the good work!
God damn! This guy explains so much better than most of guys out there. Easy and clear to understand without too much “techinal” term to show his smartness 😂 good job! Now I am your fan boy!
Dude your information and explanations have helped me understand the pros and cons of both, I've been trying to decide between Raw Nitro Max twin tubes or Dobinsons IMS mono tubes, the price difference is around $500- $600 more expensive for mono tubes but I have realised what actually suits my needs on my 80 series landcruiser is actually the twin tube, the Nitro Max has a 45mm piston and 60mm outer tube/body and some kind of bag set up to contain/separate the gas, huge fluid volume and are the 4x4 line of products from parent company Powerdown which is a truck suspension company dealing with semis, b doubles and road trains etc, I think they know what they're doing. I want something strong, simple and reliable that's going to withstand outback touring and bush navigation etc.
Great video! I find your information very easy to understand. I think about suspension upgrades a lot and how much "snake oil" is sold to the end user. Can you do a detailed explanation comparing Digressive, Progressive, and Linear... In my short research and limited knowledge it seems Linear would be the best for daily driving/weekend warriors. Curious what your thoughts are.
How i wished this video was uploaded earlier then i could've decision for my fast driving application. I drive a Toyota Hilux here in Asia and decide to try a monotube shocks after watching tons of video on youtube. The IFS front setup seems pretty good handling all the bumps but i find the rear live axle to be a whole lot more bumpy going over rough terrain than my standard oem shocks. Will probably consider changing the rear shocks to a remote resorvoir in the future.
Good stuff. It may be worth putting up a phase diagram/chart for standard shock fluid to show what is actually happening (or doing a separate video on this). Otherwise its hard to evaluate what is actually happening vis-a-vis shock fade and the upside and downside of twin tube vs pressurized mono-tubes. Also, does cavitation in a damper really matter that much as the "high pressure" side of the piston (i.e., the side of the piston head that fluid is flowing into) is under much higher pressure and is unlikely to cavitate and that is the side that is doing the most dampening work? Lastly, why is it that we don't draw a vacuum on new damper fluid before installation to avoid the dissolved gas situation. I know that when I change the brake fluid on my MTB (SRAM - DOT fluid), I always use the syringe that I use to draw a mild vacuum to get out some of the dissolved gasses. Thanks.
I was wondering, what if i put the twin tube upside down and press it few times, will the gas from outer tube goes into inner tube via the compression valve? and what will happen if the outer tube filled with fluid, and the gas is inside the top area of inner tube (the area around the shaft)?
Really good video! And, please do a video on rebuilding your Fox. Just bought mine and the retailers are not keen on sharing their info on rebuilding the shocks.
I think your analysis is great and I learned a lot from this video. I have repeatedly seen the claim from shock manufacturers that blown shocks can continue to additional distance in braking distance. I recently tested this with 300k mile shocks 60-0 mph versus new Bilstein shocks. Even though the truck was much more composed in braking, I measured virtually identical stopping distance. I would like your input for this phenomena. For more information, check my latest video.
Thanks. I watched your video. Great video and very interesting test. I was a little surprised about the result as well. With the amount of claimed difference from the manufacturer, I thought even with a single not so scientific run it should show more difference. A tall vehicle should also exaggerate the effect in theory and you clearly triggered a different dynamic in nose dive. I think you might be onto something interesting.
@@TinkerersAdventure The theory makes sense to me but my best guess is the EBD/ABS/Guidance works well enough to compensate or something is broken. Considering it has all new lines, hard lines, pads, rotors, and calipers, I doubt it's the latter.
@TinkerersAdventure I have recently subscribed to your channel. Love the in depth videos. I’m a huge Toyota fan myself and just purchased my 6th Toyota truck. It’s a ‘23 TRD ORP. It’s my daily driver and sees very mild off-roading. I’m trying to decide on a suspension set up. I’m thorn between the Dobinson IMS or their twin tube shocks. If you were in my shoes which would you pick? Or would you pick a different set up all together? Like maybe eibach pro or bilstein 6112/5160? Thanks!
I have a gx460 and mostly want a smoother ride while doing medium difficulty trails in Colorado. I am never going to be baja running and doing jumps. Based on what I am understanding from your explanation, it seems like a twin tube like the ironman is the best fit for me and probably don't need something like the OME BP51
Awesome video! One issue that off-road shocks may run into on rather non-technical trails is washboard. Miles and miles of that definitely asks a lot of your shock. Also not sure I quite understand 7:45? Are you just saying the cavitation will occur in the outer tube?
Can make a video about the differentials? Front, rear and center dif locks, re-gearing, is it necessary and when, pros and cons. Thank you for your content.
Very well put together, and very accurate! Maybe I missed it and you did touch on this, but one thing to note is that 99% of Twin-Tube shocks can not be mounted "shaft down".
Thanks! Yes you’re correct. I cut that part out because the video was getting long. But I will mention that in my ironman review. The foam cell twin tube can be mounted shaft down, but they chose not to for other reasons. So pretty interesting
@@TinkerersAdventure I'd put money on it that even the foam-cell shock, will have a dead spot even cycled by hand a few times, with the body up. It's very hard to get a complete air-free bleed on those things. I'd be impressed if there is no dead spot body up!
Don't make the mistake of ignoring Dobinsons IMS. I use them on my fj in Dubai... Heat is never an issue, even smashing around on the dunes. For he same price, dobinsons is the way to go imho
Thank you for another eye opening video. How do the high and low speed compression adjusters on remote resovoir shocks affect shock performance and how does rebound adjustment play into this? I bought a set of Dobinsons shocks that can adjust all three but it’s not totally clear how they all work together.
A playlist of your videos needs to be pinned at the top of every Toyota off-road group haha
Fantastic explanation. I've been a gearhead for 30 years and this is probably the best description I've seen of the designs. Keep up the great work!
You do a really good job explaining the technical items where there are tons of variables... people tend to get lost in the variables and accept an over simplified way to try and compare products.. This video must have been a ton of work to map out how to explain everything simply... I admire this level of work and detail. Great stuff.
Tinkerer, great work! You are leading the way in off-road educational videos. By far the best. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the video, although I thought I knew the difference between twin tube and monotube shocks, I did learn a few things. Personally, I have had good results with both kinds of shocks. However, there is one aspect of this comparison you didn't address, and that is trail damage. A monotube shock is much more vulnerable to damage by a rock hit, because the ding can prevent piston travel past it, whereas a twin tube shock can sustain the same hit without impeding function at all.
Thanks! Yes you’re exactly right. I will show some shock body denting tests in my FCP review. Stay tuned!
Most heigh end monotube shock for Toyota, it mount upside down, the rod on the bottom and the tube on the top, it is hard to damage the tube ,What you pay what you get !
That’s why good mono tube shocks are mounted inverted with the body at the top
True but I'd still take the performance of a Monotube over a TwinTube. Just keep a few spare MonoTubes in the trailer or back of the truck
Bilstein 5160 shocks are inverted, less chance of damage (smaller target). But a nicked rod will leak.
the internet needs more content like this! keep them coming!
I love the videos featuring the Ironman foam cell pros. When I was buying mine, there was a lot of of mixed info and uncertainty on the forums regarding the performance and longevity of the foam cell twin tube design. Wish your videos existed back then so I could feel at ease buying the shocks.
I appreciate you showing the raw data and conclusions in each videos focus with the foam cell pros being an example of a shock design that doesn’t follow the same mono tube construction as most of the other shocks available on the market right now.
Keep up the awesome work, Kai!
Dude, I reference your videos all of the time with all my yota friends. Keep up the good content and continue to take your time making videos. Thats what sets you apart from other youtubers. You don’t just post tons of videos to get likes and subs. Keep up the great scientific work.
I always wondered what the heck the foam part was of the FCP shocks. Another fantastic video!
Very informative. Also, cutting through the marketing hype without bias is also very helpful. Cheers!
So much information yet presented in a way that is easy to understand. Keep up the good work!
Most of this was over my head, buti really look forward to watching you service your Icons and explain the difference in performance before and after. My brain always wants the "best of the best", so I got excited watching the professional motorsports footage 😂 but you're right, I just want to hoon in the woods and haul wood and stuff
Finally, someone with some scientific explanation. soooo many of the shock related youtube videos, even by manufacturers, are like some sort of "red neck voodoo" explanations about black boxes with no information about what is going on inside and how the different types work. They act like a higher price is a product description. You got a new subscriber.
even better. you have an FJ cruiser behind you. I am shopping for new ones for my 2010.
Nothing like having good info from which well informed decisions can be made. Thanks for your time, and content.
This is the most informative and clearest presentation on shock construction I have seen in my 30 years of working on cars. I look forward to more of your videos.
Best explanation of shock function I have ever seen. No one else ever explained the differences. Thanks!
Man this was way more detailed than the rest of the guys that explains about, twin tube and monotube shocks. And u got a new sub for this. ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
I love the non-biased, pure information. Keep up the great work!
I learned a lot today. I hope there's a break down of the BP-51s coming.
Probably not unless someone send me a set to take apart haha
Nice video, well organized. You missed some things though. Only inexpensive mono-tube shocks, e.g. Bilstein 51xx and Fox Performance, have ultra high pressure, like 250-300+ PSI. Better shocks, the owner rebuildable kinds like Bilstein 7100, Fox Factory, King, etc. work fine with lower pressures. Fox 2.0s with no res, recommended pressure is just 150 PSI, 7100s, recommended is 180-220PSI, similar with King. It just needs to be enough to prevent cavitation at high shaft speeds. The higher pressures like in the 5100s are only because it has to last the life of the shocks and the eventual pressure loss over time.... 'cause they don't have Schrader valves on the tops to set/re-set pressure like the better shocks do.
Thanks! Wow I didn’t know the 5100 is charged so high. And the reason you mentioned makes sense.
The quality of your videos continues to be amazing. Thank you so much for the time and effort you put into making them. I learned a lot!
Excellent explanation of both designs. Without a doubt, this is one of the best automotive engineering channels.
Bro, you brought in the Ideal Gas Law into the explanation. I was pleasantly surprised. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to future videos.
I like that you really covered each aspect subjectively. Much better understanding after watching this. Thanks.
Best discussion of the technical aspect of these products. Hat's off to you sir !
Excellent explanation and I loved the way you cut and drilled the shocks to demonstrate your point :)
This has to be the best video in terms of explaining shocks. Its good to point out that Ironman aren't the only ones producing off road foam cell shocks. There are others who are just as good. I would like to ask though. Given the whole explanation above, which is the better shock design - foam cell or remote reservoir.
Finally someone else that has explained that the sole purpose of the remote resovoir is to lower operating pressure and create a nicer ride and increase seal and wear band life is only a side effect and that the extra cooling is only an added side effect
Best and most complete explanation! 💥
I can't wait for your review of ironman suspension
Your explanation was amazing keep up the good work!
Awesome video. Thank you so much for making this video. Probably the best shock video ever made. OCD here but the Ideal gas law is PV=nRT. n being mole. Keep up the great work!
We sold the FJ but I stay subscribed because you break down some great info that isn't necessarily Toyota exclusive. Thanks.
Another great video - its worth adding another benefit of twin tube shocks on vehicles doing high speed gravel road work or likely to drag shocks on obstacles, especially applicable to rears - a dent in outer body of a twin tube shock has negligible impact on performance whereas a dented body on a monotube is usually terminal for the shock.
That is true. I actually took some footages demonstrating this but I cut that out due to video getting long. The bilstein actually took a lot to dent. I hit it with a pointed hammer quite aggressively, took about 3 good hit till the piston bind. So unless it’s a very inferior thin wall shock, gravels will not hurt it. Also, all monotube rear shocks are inverted mounted. The shock bodies are way up there, so I’ve never seen one getting scratched. Twin tube has to be mounted shock body down because of the base valve.
Yes good point, I forgot that the monotube shocks are inverted, though that can lead to peppering of the piston rod if its not well shrouded. A lot of our travel is thousands of kilometres on high speed gravel outback roads which grit blasts anything in and around the rear axle.
You really thought me about shocks today and now i have a better idea of what to get for my ride. Thanks man! Wish I could find some remote resys for a liberty lol
I recently just put a lift kit in my 2015 Kakadu Prado with Kdss. I'm running the Tjm xgs series springs and shocks up front, with outback armour shocks and airbag man extended airbags in the rear. The entire kit, with uca's in the front, cost about $4,000 aud. So far the rebound has been harsh onroad, but performance is ok offroad. It's making me reconsider redoing my suspension again for better performance onroad with more control offroad. Lifting with kdss is often expensive and a headache. Was considering monotubes with remote res, but now I have no idea on which direction to go. 😂
I have a 2015 KDSS 4Runner and I have finally decided not to lift it for those reasons. Unless I want to soak 15k+ into long arms etc.. it just doesn’t seem worth it. I’ll do a body mount relocation and fender trimming before I lift it.
Another great video full of useful information. Appreciate the work you do in putting together your videos! Keep them up!
I sure hope you are making a decent amount of income from these videos! Your te and effort spent to make them is invaluable to so many people, even those who (for some reason, ha ha ha) do not own Toyotas.
I think I am about all caught up on your posts, and have learned quite a bit. And they are also entertaining to boot!
Please keep 'em coming!!!
Thanks! Not much income yet. Hope I’ll get some good and relevant sponsorships as I grow this channel so I can produce better contents
Brilliant video. Extremely well explained and unbiased. Look forward to more suspension videos. Subscribed.
Excellent breakdown as always. Your reaction when you drilled out the Bilstein gave me a good chuckle (Not that I would have reacted any differently!)
Also the piston rod as a pointer was a nice touch. :)
ALWAYS SO informative and taught in a way it's easy to understand ! Awesome vid AS ALWAYS :- ) !! Love the subjects and really learn a lot here..Thank you Sir !
thank you for your dedication to these topics. This is a incredibly impressive presentation.
I am looking forward to your product-specific reviews! I too learned a bit more about twin tube and how FCP differs from standard twin tube (IM nitro, Dobinson's basic and OME) construction and performance. I'm looking forward to your dissection of the Dob's MRA shocks and how they compare/contrast to others in the field (Bil's, Icon, King, ETC.).
🤙🏼
Really well done video, great detailed info!
Fantastic content as always. The rigor you bring to your vids is much appreciated!
Pretty neat video! I would add that heat transfer happens in three major categories. Conduction, convection, and radiation. Conduction is solid to solid, convection is solid to liquid, and radiation only occurs at extremely high temperatures and does not require a medium to transfer heat. So shock heat is not actually radiated, rather convected away from the oil by the solid body, then convected away from the body to the surrounding air. No radiation heat transfer occurs. Great video and keep up the good work!
Great explanation and I’m looking forward to the Icon maintenance video.
Great job ! By far the best channel on this topic !
Absolutely brilliant video, extremely detailed and thorough, but all very clearly explained. Really interesting, thanks.
Excellent video! Very informative, thank you very much!
What a great video
God damn! This guy explains so much better than most of guys out there. Easy and clear to understand without too much “techinal” term to show his smartness 😂 good job! Now I am your fan boy!
Solid video. It's really annoying and scummy how people sell products with disinformation re: lying about twin tube cavitation using a single tube
Dude your information and explanations have helped me understand the pros and cons of both, I've been trying to decide between Raw Nitro Max twin tubes or Dobinsons IMS mono tubes, the price difference is around $500- $600 more expensive for mono tubes but I have realised what actually suits my needs on my 80 series landcruiser is actually the twin tube, the Nitro Max has a 45mm piston and 60mm outer tube/body and some kind of bag set up to contain/separate the gas, huge fluid volume and are the 4x4 line of products from parent company Powerdown which is a truck suspension company dealing with semis, b doubles and road trains etc, I think they know what they're doing. I want something strong, simple and reliable that's going to withstand outback touring and bush navigation etc.
All of your friends are still watching. The new content is so educationally fulfilling.
Great video! I find your information very easy to understand. I think about suspension upgrades a lot and how much "snake oil" is sold to the end user. Can you do a detailed explanation comparing Digressive, Progressive, and Linear... In my short research and limited knowledge it seems Linear would be the best for daily driving/weekend warriors. Curious what your thoughts are.
How i wished this video was uploaded earlier then i could've decision for my fast driving application. I drive a Toyota Hilux here in Asia and decide to try a monotube shocks after watching tons of video on youtube. The IFS front setup seems pretty good handling all the bumps but i find the rear live axle to be a whole lot more bumpy going over rough terrain than my standard oem shocks. Will probably consider changing the rear shocks to a remote resorvoir in the future.
It could simply be your rear shocks valving not matching your spring and mass. That plays a significantly bigger role than shock construction
Thank you Sir for the education.
Good stuff.
It may be worth putting up a phase diagram/chart for standard shock fluid to show what is actually happening (or doing a separate video on this). Otherwise its hard to evaluate what is actually happening vis-a-vis shock fade and the upside and downside of twin tube vs pressurized mono-tubes. Also, does cavitation in a damper really matter that much as the "high pressure" side of the piston (i.e., the side of the piston head that fluid is flowing into) is under much higher pressure and is unlikely to cavitate and that is the side that is doing the most dampening work? Lastly, why is it that we don't draw a vacuum on new damper fluid before installation to avoid the dissolved gas situation. I know that when I change the brake fluid on my MTB (SRAM - DOT fluid), I always use the syringe that I use to draw a mild vacuum to get out some of the dissolved gasses. Thanks.
That “phew” got me 😆😆 great great job!
Your videos are magical
I was wondering, what if i put the twin tube upside down and press it few times, will the gas from outer tube goes into inner tube via the compression valve? and what will happen if the outer tube filled with fluid, and the gas is inside the top area of inner tube (the area around the shaft)?
Great explanation. Thank you!
Thanks for the suspension class Kai!
Great topic and content. I look forward to all your videos.
Great explanation man
👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Really good video! And, please do a video on rebuilding your Fox. Just bought mine and the retailers are not keen on sharing their info on rebuilding the shocks.
Check out filthymotorsports king shocks rebuild video. All those constructions are the same. Brand doesn’t matter much
Thanks a ton! :)
I have waited for this video for so long !!! Thanks dude !!!
Another excellent video. Great job 👍👍
Another great insightful video. Thanks!
Like your videos, informative and well done.
Great video. I learned a lot. Thank you.
Great explanation!!
Great video as always!
The only channel I turned on the notifications for.
Thanks
I appreciate the support!
Awesome, awesome content. Thanks for the in-depth explanations!
Thank you for saying “damping” & “damper” correctly.
Great video thank you for making
Love your videos man very informative!
today i learn 😲 thanks man !!!
I think your analysis is great and I learned a lot from this video.
I have repeatedly seen the claim from shock manufacturers that blown shocks can continue to additional distance in braking distance.
I recently tested this with 300k mile shocks 60-0 mph versus new Bilstein shocks.
Even though the truck was much more composed in braking, I measured virtually identical stopping distance.
I would like your input for this phenomena.
For more information, check my latest video.
Thanks. I watched your video. Great video and very interesting test. I was a little surprised about the result as well. With the amount of claimed difference from the manufacturer, I thought even with a single not so scientific run it should show more difference. A tall vehicle should also exaggerate the effect in theory and you clearly triggered a different dynamic in nose dive. I think you might be onto something interesting.
@@TinkerersAdventure The theory makes sense to me but my best guess is the EBD/ABS/Guidance works well enough to compensate or something is broken.
Considering it has all new lines, hard lines, pads, rotors, and calipers, I doubt it's the latter.
Appreciate the info! I had no idea the differences. Hope you incorporate Dobinsons into your video as a lot of us 4Runner folks use their products
Thanks. I will mention Dobinson when I review the FCP
@@TinkerersAdventure appreciate it!
great job, please do front diff drop kit and if they work or not.
@TinkerersAdventure I have recently subscribed to your channel. Love the in depth videos. I’m a huge Toyota fan myself and just purchased my 6th Toyota truck. It’s a ‘23 TRD ORP. It’s my daily driver and sees very mild off-roading. I’m trying to decide on a suspension set up. I’m thorn between the Dobinson IMS or their twin tube shocks. If you were in my shoes which would you pick? Or would you pick a different set up all together? Like maybe eibach pro or bilstein 6112/5160? Thanks!
I freaking love this channel
I have a gx460 and mostly want a smoother ride while doing medium difficulty trails in Colorado. I am never going to be baja running and doing jumps. Based on what I am understanding from your explanation, it seems like a twin tube like the ironman is the best fit for me and probably don't need something like the OME BP51
I’ll have a FCP review out soon. You can decide after reviewing more details
Awesome video! One issue that off-road shocks may run into on rather non-technical trails is washboard. Miles and miles of that definitely asks a lot of your shock. Also not sure I quite understand 7:45? Are you just saying the cavitation will occur in the outer tube?
Thanks! No, since the base valve is fixed. It simply restricts fluid flow and creates high pressure on the piston side.
Can make a video about the differentials? Front, rear and center dif locks, re-gearing, is it necessary and when, pros and cons.
Thank you for your content.
Thanks! Yes I have a video on locker in the work. Stay tuned!
I love how detailed you are in your videos! I shows you do your research before putting your videos together. Great job!
Greatt learning video. Thanks
Very well put together, and very accurate! Maybe I missed it and you did touch on this, but one thing to note is that 99% of Twin-Tube shocks can not be mounted "shaft down".
Thanks! Yes you’re correct. I cut that part out because the video was getting long. But I will mention that in my ironman review. The foam cell twin tube can be mounted shaft down, but they chose not to for other reasons. So pretty interesting
@@TinkerersAdventure I'd put money on it that even the foam-cell shock, will have a dead spot even cycled by hand a few times, with the body up. It's very hard to get a complete air-free bleed on those things. I'd be impressed if there is no dead spot body up!
Excellent explanation. Thanks again.
Thanks for the explanations. I'm convinced to replace my rear Bilstein 5100s for 5160s.
Don't make the mistake of ignoring Dobinsons IMS. I use them on my fj in Dubai... Heat is never an issue, even smashing around on the dunes. For he same price, dobinsons is the way to go imho
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Well done. Cheers from OZ
Another banger of a video!! 🙌🏻💯
Thank you for another eye opening video. How do the high and low speed compression adjusters on remote resovoir shocks affect shock performance and how does rebound adjustment play into this? I bought a set of Dobinsons shocks that can adjust all three but it’s not totally clear how they all work together.
Thanks! That is a much more complex topic. It’ll need some by scenario examples to tell a full story. I might do a video on that
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Great job
What an awesome video!
Very good video, thanks for posting.