Because Batman can't be made to fit this universe. Even in this universe, Batman just doesn't do all the team-player-under-someone-else thing. If anything, Butcher would be Batman. Not saying he has to be morally good, but it's a little like if Homelander couldn't fly and shoot lasers, that is so integral to Superman that you would say: that is not evil Superman, it's evil Captain America!
Sophus VD There’s a Batman in The Boys universe and his name is Tek Knight. He was mentioned in the scene where Billy took Hughie to that support group.
Anthony Starr as Homelander was amazing cast he gave me chills. I love how scary and sinister the show depicted him. It was amazing! Can't wait for season 2 they have already started production
Yah he was really good, he was genuinely menacing in every scene he's in. He reminds of Woody Harrelson in "Out of the Furnace", every time he's on screen you just feel tense or nervous. Or The Joker in The Dark Knight.
Chid Anthony Starr is a phenomenal actor. He somehow is totally convincing as a lost little boy, a petulant child, the all American golden boy super hero, and the sociopathic super villain, and often embodies all of the above within a single scene. Then I saw an interview with him, he’s a kiwi with a much higher voice than homelander, and my jaw kinda hit the floor. Even the voice is 100% acting. I hope this guy gets all of the roles.
The best part about the A-Train/Cancer Boy scene: as the meetup is getting derailed, you can see the viewership plummeting like a speeding train off the cliff and the smiling happy emojis coming to a complete railroad track stop.... I'll be leaving now. 😬
I dont think they were trying to make the deep relatable. I think they were trying to make him seem pathetic. The deep is a man with no power and who nobody respects. The general public doesnt seem to care about him and I mean even within the company he is treated like a joke. Sexually assaulting starlight was his pathetic way of expressing power over someone else. I think the intention here is to take away power from powerful people who have commited acts of sexual assault. Whether or not that works with you is a different matter, but I dont think he was meant to be sympathetic. I just think people have a general tendency to feel sympathy towards anyone who is suffering.
hmm when i watch one punch man and those evil things are beaten down I don't think aww poor fish guy or what ever I think yeah you guys done crossed to far or something
The point of the Deeps arc is to show him breaking down and realizing what being isolated and demeaned is like. To make him understand why his actions were wrong
It's certainly different, but I think it captures the core themes pretty well, especially when you consider that it has to be for a TV audience (i.e. can't really have straight up super hero orgies).
I was incredibly impressed by the first season of the boys and loved the characters and their realistic developments. My favorite part is Homelanders ability to "grow" at the end, he gets past his mommy issues in a weird murdering way. His mommy issues weakness may show itself again in the future but I can't stand it when super villains are never able to grow or get past their mental weaknesses. Also the fact that Homelander saves Butcher just for the sake of being cruel to him by showing him his wife as proof. I'm really curious how they will interact in the future seasons
There’s an aspect of super heroes in the boys that the comics stress that isn’t really shown in the show which is that the supes are incompetent. They get no training and get pumped full of their own ego. That gets watered down in the show and you really only see it in the plane scene.
'The Deep' was one of the big changes from the comic. Homelander decides Starlight's hazing should be blowing all the guys except The Deep. The Deep from the comic seems to genuinely believe in being a hero. The show obviously decided to take all the piss-taking of Aqua-man talking to fish etc. and turn it up to 11. This didn't quite work as also he became the sole focus of the sexual assault.
The little detail I loved about when butcher kills Mesmer is just before he kills him you can see in Mesmers eyes that he just read billy plans to kill him so he has this second of realisation before billy even takes action
I definitely agree that The Deep is pretty dull as a character and at no point did I feel any sympathy for him. What I think the writers are trying to explore is what people are willing to forgive, as Bo pointed out these "heros" represent the modern elite as well as power itself, The Deep like all of the other heros has abused his power in gross fashion and I think in the second season we might see him become more of an actual hero (an actual character) and eventually seek true forgiveness from Starlight but narratively he can only do that after he finds out who he is and if that person believes past actions require reparation. And if I could buy the redemption of a incestuous child murderer and just plain murderer (Jamie Lannister) then I guess The Deep deserves a "Narrative Chance" at the least. Also those gills were nasty.
@@josezuniga7030 it was the attempted child murder of Bran. However bc Jamie's INTENT was to Kill young Bran that means that Jamie would be able to live with killing a child to cover up his incestuous relationship. When it comes down to a courtroom, intent is everything so I'd call him a kid killer bc he was quite blasé throughout the scene. He didn't feel guilt, therefore he could and would do it again in the same circumstances.
I liked The Deep. I thought his stuff with the dolphin and the lobster were hilarious. It's funny how lame he is. He's aquaman. Superman can fly and shoot lazers and has super strength and super speed and aquaman his super power is talking to fish.
i also don't really agree that they weren't showing him acknowledging his wrongdoing of forcing himself on Starlight, i think the whole sex scene with him and that chick who keep digging her hands into his gills and getting off on it which is why he shaves his head in the first place kinda starts showing that he's understanding how shitty stuff like that feels
The whole god angle is also a neat excuse from Vought as to why the superheroes only come from america, as it caters to the notion that america is somehow a new holy land blessed by god.
I never comment but something hit me while listening. When Bo was talking about Billy standing face to face with Homelander he said, “he’s like Batman” and I thought, is that what he’s supposed to represent? Batman is my favourite superhero character and some common criticisms people in the comics have of him is 1) A traumatic experience led him to be obsessed with revenge (justice). 2) He recruits impressionable people to support his cause (sidekicks). 3) Its all about HIS cause and nothing comes before that. 4) He is arrogant and feels he always knows best. The purpose of the Boys series is to take these characters to the “extreme”. So, Billy could represent Batman’s character flaws in a grittier and more extreme version. Lastly and most importantly Billy stands in front of homelander, filled with anger and no fear, A man standing against a God. Batman vs Superman. Just a thought.
OK, so I've watched dozens of videos from this channel, and I've only now smoked enough weed to realize that this is a low-key Seth MacFarlane pop culture podcast.
To give credence to Billy's belief: Would like to point out we've seen how long Homelander "lasts" in consensual relations, like 7 seconds. And he was with Billy's wife for 3 hours.
I feel like all the female superheroes are the only genuine HEROES in the show, even the fugitive one saved Frenchy lol also I didn't get that they were trying to make us sympathize with The Deep at all but when you say it out loud I guess they were but they TOTALLY missed the mark, he just seemed unredeemable and at the dame time a punching bag, just horrible all around lol
I don’t think his arc was a redemption arc. I think it was a “what goes around comes around” arc. A-train had a redemption arc of sorts and they did it much better, I have a hard time believing the writers could write a trains arc so well then write the deeps so poorly. That would be really odd. I don’t think it is a redemption arc for the deep
remember that alternste justice league episode where all villains were lobotimized while super man ruled over the world and watched everything for the sake of over protection because I think one or more of the league died
I always wondered how Vaught/Lamplighter got away with murdering the grandkids of the CIA Director... like.. how did that not get out? Everyone was just terrified of Homelander?
The only benevolent dictator I can think of is Doctor Doom. He'll create all kinds of chaos outside his country but the moment Latvaria is potentially in trouble he'll work with anyone to fix the problem.
I'm not sure you guys are getting the point of the Deep's arc. I think the whole thing was designed to make you question way narratives work. Yes, all this sad stuff is happening to him, and because he's become the underdog, your instinct is to be sympathetic. But just because bad people have a rough time doesn't mean you should be on their side all of a sudden. I think more susceptible people will increasingly sympathize with this guy until he goes full psycho and does something completely reprehensible. Because he hasn't done any soul-searching, hasn't acknowledged how his terrible actions hurt people. He's too busy hating himself for being a failure while simultaneously feeling sorry for himself to spare a thought for other people. So before you condemn his arc as trying to elicit unearned sympathy, ask yourself, is that what they're really doing? Or are they screwing with cheap redemption arc tropes, like they're screwing with all the other superhero tropes?
On The Deep, if they write his character more similar to Theon in Game of Thrones and he GENUINELY tries to redeem himself for Starlight and helps The Boys and possibly even dies rescuing them, I might be more interested in his character arc.
@@hombrejose8164 Interesting. I also feel like he would be good at hiding given that he can inhabit the ocean and I wonder if that will be used. On land, Homelander reigns.
Did everyone hate the Deep? In real life I wouldn’t forgive him that quickly after ep 1 but given its a tv show and none of that really happened I was able to really enjoy a lot of his comedic moments. Also thought chase Crawford played him very well
Yep. Hated Him and he it'snever does truly understand what he did was wrong either, I'm like hopefully next season we'll see he's learned from his own mallestation
This is one of the best TV shows I've seen this year, the other is Peaky Blinders. If you haven't seen it check it out, it's awesome! Would love to see Nerd Soup people do a discussion on it.
I kind of liked the Deep parts, I enjoyed him as a character, it's also sort of a parody of how Aquaman is considered lame as shit in the DC fandom, but everyone in the comic respects him.
I think The Deep's redemption is probably going to come in S2. He's a dirtbag for what he did to Starlight, then he experiences it himself. I have a feeling he's going to go full eco warrior and start sinking ships and stuff and/or save Starlight at some point.
I wonder if another hero helped Vaught with Butcher's wife's escape. If she wasnt looking at Homelander when she got off that bench, I wonder who she was looking at. He'd prolly want to burn them eyes out lol.
I think homelander is defo going to press tour his kid and play billies wife as his own, he’s not going to kill billy he’s going to torture him... just my predictions great show, great soup 🙌
Black Noir does nothing in the comic until the end. Cool character. Like Batman. He should do more. They are all bad guys. Shades of gray. Fimed in Canada
@@KaNoMikoProductions Maybe true about the time part, but he couldn't go under them when he was bouncing back and forth between them. That's when she should have at least tried. But whatever, this isn't a hill I'm going to die on.
the fact that A-Train and the creators made me feel something when Pop-Claw betrayed him causing A-Train to kill his lover... his acting is great there. and when Homelander found out he was juicing V, I genuinely felt scared for him. The Deep and the finger banging of his gills, I could of done without that tbh. but itts proof yall only cared about aquaman because Jason was playing the role. i think thats the reaso nfor the deep being so terrible to show yall aquaman wasnt shit till a musclere long haired good looking guy played him. LOL Homelander is the epitome of white privilage, dont wait for me to explain it, you figure it out. Mave....? blah, she was so boring with her lesbian arc. lol she use to bang Homelander! wow! starlight star bright the one superhero with morals. mmk. and Black-Black... thew silent killer wit ha shit ton of sharp things. he's aight? i never read the comics aka source material.
I don't think they were trying to make us sympathize with the Deep. I think he's just a comedic side story that the audience is supposed to laugh at which is why he's shown to be a complete asshole in his first scene, otherwise we would feel bad for him.
I'm guessing you guys haven't read the comics. Black Noir is the most powerful character (even more than homelander). He is definitely sitting in the background for a reason and pretending to be weaker than he is. Unless they change him in the show. That's all I'll say.
I don’t think they are trying to redeem the deep. I think it’s more of a karma situation. He’s not supposed to be sympathetic I think it’s more revenge porn for the audience. A-train had more of a redemption arc, where we can see where he’s coming from and feel sympathy for him, I think if that’s what they wanted from the deeps arc that’s what we would have gotten not what we got
See where he comming from and sympathise with him? A train is nothing but a drug runner who murdered his girlfriend. There is nothing sympathetic about that to me. Yeah he loved her, but he still killed her. Atrain can try and blame hughy for getting pop claw to spill some beans, but a train started it by killing hughies girlfriend and not giving a fuck about it. Its only the first season. I think the deep might learn some lessons from all this and his redemption could come next season. Though, personally, i read the comics and neither of those heroes were redeamable in any way and when the show first started to make them relatable and sympathetic it just felt off. Its like trying to make hitler a relatable and sympathetic person. In the comics most of the supes have grown up in their vought bubble. They arent relatable people.
It's amazing how anti christian people are for being "anti whatever" and they just don't realize how ironic it is (not to mention how generalized it is. Most Christians are good people, just FYI, and being Christian isn't a bad thing, nor a thing thst somehow makes chicken worse... Or whatever was the implication there...)
@@mfmageiwatch No but it does put you into a camp of "gullible" because you believe in a book that power hungry men wrote to gain control over naive people staring a zombie.
@@mfmageiwatch - It was a joke. 🤦🏻♀️🙄 You people foam at the mouth about gays & condemn others to Hell for not accepting your man-god, but have the audacity to get your knickers in a twist when people crack a joke about Chick-fil-A being affiliated w/Christianity. 😒 If ya can't take it, maybe ya'll should stop infiltrating our politics all the time, or going out of your way to make other people's lives miserable just for loving who they do, or worshipping the way they want to. Ya'll brought this ridicule & scorn on yourselves. 🤷🏻♀️🤪 No sympathy here!
@@KabbalahSherry you people? Chicken sandwich lovers? Lmao... I'm not sure who you think you are talking to, but I'm not anti gay or whatever you are accusing me of. But you are outting yourself as stupid.
I know Black Nior was supposed to fill the Batman role but all I ever saw was Snake Eyes.
Right? I'm over here like, dude, that's Snake Eyes.
Ken Huff his outfit and lack of talking def make it snake eyes
If they follow the comics on Black Noir, season 2 is gonna be a doozy.
Because Batman can't be made to fit this universe. Even in this universe, Batman just doesn't do all the team-player-under-someone-else thing. If anything, Butcher would be Batman.
Not saying he has to be morally good, but it's a little like if Homelander couldn't fly and shoot lasers, that is so integral to Superman that you would say: that is not evil Superman, it's evil Captain America!
Sophus VD There’s a Batman in The Boys universe and his name is Tek Knight. He was mentioned in the scene where Billy took Hughie to that support group.
*_I need to see Billy Butcher interact with Sandor Clegane._*
“Fuck the King”
“Fuck the supes”
So many "cunts"
Billy and tormond would be bros
Anthony Starr as Homelander was amazing cast he gave me chills. I love how scary and sinister the show depicted him. It was amazing! Can't wait for season 2 they have already started production
Ya seen Banshee? He literally just kicks the shit out of everyone in the show, its great!
Why Bother i haven’t seen Banshee. Is it good and should I watch it?
Yah he was really good, he was genuinely menacing in every scene he's in. He reminds of Woody Harrelson in "Out of the Furnace", every time he's on screen you just feel tense or nervous. Or The Joker in The Dark Knight.
Chid when I saw Anthony Starr all I can see is a love child of Chris Pine and Bradley Cooper
Chid Anthony Starr is a phenomenal actor. He somehow is totally convincing as a lost little boy, a petulant child, the all American golden boy super hero, and the sociopathic super villain, and often embodies all of the above within a single scene. Then I saw an interview with him, he’s a kiwi with a much higher voice than homelander, and my jaw kinda hit the floor. Even the voice is 100% acting. I hope this guy gets all of the roles.
The best part about the A-Train/Cancer Boy scene: as the meetup is getting derailed, you can see the viewership plummeting like a speeding train off the cliff and the smiling happy emojis coming to a complete railroad track stop....
I'll be leaving now. 😬
I dont think they were trying to make the deep relatable. I think they were trying to make him seem pathetic. The deep is a man with no power and who nobody respects. The general public doesnt seem to care about him and I mean even within the company he is treated like a joke. Sexually assaulting starlight was his pathetic way of expressing power over someone else. I think the intention here is to take away power from powerful people who have commited acts of sexual assault. Whether or not that works with you is a different matter, but I dont think he was meant to be sympathetic. I just think people have a general tendency to feel sympathy towards anyone who is suffering.
Yeah, the show really wanted you to laugh at The Deep. Music and editing choices make that pretty clear.
it was made blatantly obvious when the deep was r*ped, wasn't subtle at all but maybe I was just too eager to laugh at the asshole
hmm when i watch one punch man and those evil things are beaten down I don't think aww poor fish guy or what ever I think yeah you guys done crossed to far or something
Lol when Homelander was like "I like you, you're dark" at the end to Billy hahah.
To be fair, you can't not like Billy
@@tedarcher9120 yea he beats newborns with lamps
@@RainingSaturn he does it loveably
The point of the Deeps arc is to show him breaking down and realizing what being isolated and demeaned is like. To make him understand why his actions were wrong
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If anyone is intrested in reading the graphic novel the show is so different its almost like two diff stories
That it is. I wonder if they will go the same route as the comics when it comes to Black Noir
Mr Diippzzz I kinda hope so. I can’t imagine what else noir could be.
MF EarlyDoom - Is there a Movie or TV series that more accurately represents the Graphic Novels than "The Boys"?
It's certainly different, but I think it captures the core themes pretty well, especially when you consider that it has to be for a TV audience (i.e. can't really have straight up super hero orgies).
It is a completely different story
Billy Butchers take on religion against the christian guy might be the funniest thing of the last year to me
I loved Frenchie too. 😊
I was incredibly impressed by the first season of the boys and loved the characters and their realistic developments. My favorite part is Homelanders ability to "grow" at the end, he gets past his mommy issues in a weird murdering way. His mommy issues weakness may show itself again in the future but I can't stand it when super villains are never able to grow or get past their mental weaknesses. Also the fact that Homelander saves Butcher just for the sake of being cruel to him by showing him his wife as proof. I'm really curious how they will interact in the future seasons
There’s an aspect of super heroes in the boys that the comics stress that isn’t really shown in the show which is that the supes are incompetent. They get no training and get pumped full of their own ego. That gets watered down in the show and you really only see it in the plane scene.
It always looked to me that Homelander intentionally brought down that plane when he lasered the cockpit.
'The Deep' was one of the big changes from the comic. Homelander decides Starlight's hazing should be blowing all the guys except The Deep. The Deep from the comic seems to genuinely believe in being a hero.
The show obviously decided to take all the piss-taking of Aqua-man talking to fish etc. and turn it up to 11. This didn't quite work as also he became the sole focus of the sexual assault.
Watching Anthony Starr in real life blew my mind! Laid back cool dude. Bro can ACT!!!!!!!!!! (Watched a comicon interview of them all n it was bomb)
The little detail I loved about when butcher kills Mesmer is just before he kills him you can see in Mesmers eyes that he just read billy plans to kill him so he has this second of realisation before billy even takes action
Black Nior if they stick to the comics is a huge spolier to reveal anything about him now.
@Thulsa Doom I hope they stick to that general idea in the show, though.
Clone of Homelander.
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The Boys was filmed in Toronto.
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I definitely agree that The Deep is pretty dull as a character and at no point did I feel any sympathy for him. What I think the writers are trying to explore is what people are willing to forgive, as Bo pointed out these "heros" represent the modern elite as well as power itself, The Deep like all of the other heros has abused his power in gross fashion and I think in the second season we might see him become more of an actual hero (an actual character) and eventually seek true forgiveness from Starlight but narratively he can only do that after he finds out who he is and if that person believes past actions require reparation.
And if I could buy the redemption of a incestuous child murderer and just plain murderer (Jamie Lannister) then I guess The Deep deserves a "Narrative Chance" at the least.
Also those gills were nasty.
What child did Jamie murder
@@josezuniga7030 it was the attempted child murder of Bran. However bc Jamie's INTENT was to Kill young Bran that means that Jamie would be able to live with killing a child to cover up his incestuous relationship.
When it comes down to a courtroom, intent is everything so I'd call him a kid killer bc he was quite blasé throughout the scene. He didn't feel guilt, therefore he could and would do it again in the same circumstances.
Yes that is true on a side note his character arc is the best in show
@@josezuniga7030 was until they ass fucked it
I liked The Deep. I thought his stuff with the dolphin and the lobster were hilarious. It's funny how lame he is. He's aquaman. Superman can fly and shoot lazers and has super strength and super speed and aquaman his super power is talking to fish.
Imagine Anthony Starr as Eobard Thawne in the Flash movie
I need this. ⚡
These guys are gonna love the Black Noir twist if they keep it
apparently they're not keeping it but coming up with a different twist for next season. disappointed, but they've done a pretty good job so far
Keep the cold opening!
how can someone watch the whole series and still not get that it's 'Vought' not Voidt? the name only crops up multiple times in every episonde
people hear they don't listen
Jeez all this hate on the Deep. He was my second favorite character.
i thought he was a good comic relief to the dark tone of the show
i also don't really agree that they weren't showing him acknowledging his wrongdoing of forcing himself on Starlight, i think the whole sex scene with him and that chick who keep digging her hands into his gills and getting off on it which is why he shaves his head in the first place kinda starts showing that he's understanding how shitty stuff like that feels
@@jslaughter95 or how corrupting power can be.
@@RainingSaturn no
Yep, the analysis is pretty shallow
The last video was pretty spoilery but meh.
More content is good content
It was super spoilery. they spoiled the most shocking moment of the season in the opener and ruined the 2nd most shocking scene during the video
@@13_faces Did you expect to not have spoilers in a review for the show? What are you complaining about?
2 videos on the boys! Needed this thank you
Don't know why, but Black Noir reminded me of Black Panther.
The whole god angle is also a neat excuse from Vought as to why the superheroes only come from america, as it caters to the notion that america is somehow a new holy land blessed by god.
I never comment but something hit me while listening. When Bo was talking about Billy standing face to face with Homelander he said, “he’s like Batman” and I thought, is that what he’s supposed to represent?
Batman is my favourite superhero character and some common criticisms people in the comics have of him is 1) A traumatic experience led him to be obsessed with revenge (justice). 2) He recruits impressionable people to support his cause (sidekicks). 3) Its all about HIS cause and nothing comes before that. 4) He is arrogant and feels he always knows best.
The purpose of the Boys series is to take these characters to the “extreme”. So, Billy could represent Batman’s character flaws in a grittier and more extreme version. Lastly and most importantly Billy stands in front of homelander, filled with anger and no fear, A man standing against a God. Batman vs Superman.
Just a thought.
I think billy is the punisher.
OK, so I've watched dozens of videos from this channel, and I've only now smoked enough weed to realize that this is a low-key Seth MacFarlane pop culture podcast.
Are you about to tell me that like 3 of these “characters” are voiced by one person?
The dinosaur seesaw bj was sick too
Best show of the year. NO COMPETITION
Yay Marissa's back.
To give credence to Billy's belief: Would like to point out we've seen how long Homelander "lasts" in consensual relations, like 7 seconds. And he was with Billy's wife for 3 hours.
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Oh boy, everytime I hear a review that says "I hope they do something more with Black Noir", just wait for it.
I hope he is exactly what he is in the comics.
@@Rampratdelta I hope too
FOR REAL 😶💯
I really hope they change it. The reveal with Noir in the comic was incredibly dumb.
@@enotsnavdier6867 I liked as a meta joke, is a recurring joke among comic fans
When Stillwell died in last ep... all I could think of was "Well now Elizabeth Shue can be in season 3 of Cobra Kai"
I couldn't help it. I looked up who the black noir is and it sent a fucking shiver down my spine.
It’s like Chick Fil A without the Christianity taste. I’m living for this podcast already 🤣
I feel like all the female superheroes are the only genuine HEROES in the show, even the fugitive one saved Frenchy lol also I didn't get that they were trying to make us sympathize with The Deep at all but when you say it out loud I guess they were but they TOTALLY missed the mark, he just seemed unredeemable and at the dame time a punching bag, just horrible all around lol
I don’t think his arc was a redemption arc. I think it was a “what goes around comes around” arc. A-train had a redemption arc of sorts and they did it much better, I have a hard time believing the writers could write a trains arc so well then write the deeps so poorly. That would be really odd. I don’t think it is a redemption arc for the deep
remember that alternste justice league episode where all villains were lobotimized while super man ruled over the world and watched everything for the sake of over protection because I think one or more of the league died
I always wondered how Vaught/Lamplighter got away with murdering the grandkids of the CIA Director... like.. how did that not get out? Everyone was just terrified of Homelander?
21:10 I had forgotten that "Karen" has only recently become a common term 😂
The only benevolent dictator I can think of is Doctor Doom. He'll create all kinds of chaos outside his country but the moment Latvaria is potentially in trouble he'll work with anyone to fix the problem.
Love to see it!
That terrifying dark comedy from Homelander you guys talked about was so good.
Mud People may be a reference to the Greek god Zeus making humans out of clay. Homelander thinks of himself as a god and mere mortals are mud people.
Star light hadn't had enough time to be corupted.
Jaime sexually assaulted Cersei in the D&D fanfic, not in the sacred text
I'm not sure you guys are getting the point of the Deep's arc. I think the whole thing was designed to make you question way narratives work. Yes, all this sad stuff is happening to him, and because he's become the underdog, your instinct is to be sympathetic. But just because bad people have a rough time doesn't mean you should be on their side all of a sudden. I think more susceptible people will increasingly sympathize with this guy until he goes full psycho and does something completely reprehensible. Because he hasn't done any soul-searching, hasn't acknowledged how his terrible actions hurt people. He's too busy hating himself for being a failure while simultaneously feeling sorry for himself to spare a thought for other people. So before you condemn his arc as trying to elicit unearned sympathy, ask yourself, is that what they're really doing? Or are they screwing with cheap redemption arc tropes, like they're screwing with all the other superhero tropes?
On The Deep, if they write his character more similar to Theon in Game of Thrones and he GENUINELY tries to redeem himself for Starlight and helps The Boys and possibly even dies rescuing them, I might be more interested in his character arc.
I'm going to hold judgment on The Deep storyline because maybe they are laying down the groundwork for something.
Forreal im predicting that he'll be convinced to join the boys which will make things complicated between annie and hughie
@@hombrejose8164 Interesting. I also feel like he would be good at hiding given that he can inhabit the ocean and I wonder if that will be used. On land, Homelander reigns.
@@johannah.t.161 yea maybe he'll build an underwater base for the boys to hide from the seven
So we can start getting anime reviews now right
Did everyone hate the Deep? In real life I wouldn’t forgive him that quickly after ep 1 but given its a tv show and none of that really happened I was able to really enjoy a lot of his comedic moments. Also thought chase Crawford played him very well
Yep. Hated Him and he it'snever does truly understand what he did was wrong either, I'm like hopefully next season we'll see he's learned from his own mallestation
@@Peecamarke what
Oh boy I've been waiting for this👻
I found the Deep to be a bit endearing by the end and his arch hilarious.
Hot take Homelander is the best villain from a Superhero movie or TV show since Heath Ledger's Joker
Hey, I lived in Sandusky, Ohio. It’s not in the middle....ok yeah it is. lol
This is one of the best TV shows I've seen this year, the other is Peaky Blinders. If you haven't seen it check it out, it's awesome! Would love to see Nerd Soup people do a discussion on it.
Funny thing Anthony stark said how he dont get what look in the eyes people keep mentioning is he just said that's just him lol
I’m half way through the Boys episodes. Does this mean that your early 30 mins review is spoiler free?
There were some spoilers in that review.
Noooooo. Stay away from that one. They gave away a few things that shouldn't have been mentioned for new viewer.
I kind of liked the Deep parts, I enjoyed him as a character, it's also sort of a parody of how Aquaman is considered lame as shit in the DC fandom, but everyone in the comic respects him.
I think The Deep's redemption is probably going to come in S2. He's a dirtbag for what he did to Starlight, then he experiences it himself. I have a feeling he's going to go full eco warrior and start sinking ships and stuff and/or save Starlight at some point.
the deep as a poor mans Ryan Reynolds
Speaking of MHA, when are we gonna get those My Hero reviews you keep promising you’re gonna do?
You guys should check out Dark Crystal on Netflix or Carnival Row on Prime, I enjoyed both
Carnival Row was very good.
If you guys read the source material, Black Noir makes a lot more sense.
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Sweet Marissas back!!
I wonder if another hero helped Vaught with Butcher's wife's escape. If she wasnt looking at Homelander when she got off that bench, I wonder who she was looking at. He'd prolly want to burn them eyes out lol.
It's shot in Toronto 🇨🇦😎
Veidt? Vought? Oh, so many big corporations.
Best show this year .
You should do the tick next
I thought the Stillwell baby was homelanders
I think homelander is defo going to press tour his kid and play billies wife as his own, he’s not going to kill billy he’s going to torture him... just my predictions great show, great soup 🙌
Bro I liked the deep :(
I disagree with you about the deep, he literally got raped.
The deep had some of the funniest parts 😂
Black Noir does nothing in the comic until the end. Cool character. Like Batman. He should do more. They are all bad guys. Shades of gray. Fimed in Canada
I liked Butcher at the beginning of the Season but the over the top douchebagery got old. I'm hoping he gets some Homelander laser eye at this point.
steelwell is homelanders lois
Real bros of simi valley
Do the boys!
The point of the deep is you are supposed to laugh at him just like the actual aquaman. You guys missed the point of him so hard
Hard to laugh at a rapist...
I dont think they were trying to give the deep a redemption arc. I feel like they were just shitting on him cuz it was funny and aquaman sucks
Not gonna drop a spoiler but it's obvious that they haven't read the comics.
Yeaaa!! We got Marissa
Where is marissa these days
The Female. Kimiko was called the female.
I like starlight but she's kinda boring
She should have just crossed her arms when she had A-Train in between her light beams.
@@TangoNevada 1. She wouldn't have time for it.
2. A-Train can go underneath them.
@@KaNoMikoProductions Maybe true about the time part, but he couldn't go under them when he was bouncing back and forth between them. That's when she should have at least tried. But whatever, this isn't a hill I'm going to die on.
the fact that A-Train and the creators made me feel something when Pop-Claw betrayed him causing A-Train to kill his lover... his acting is great there. and when Homelander found out he was juicing V, I genuinely felt scared for him.
The Deep and the finger banging of his gills, I could of done without that tbh. but itts proof yall only cared about aquaman because Jason was playing the role. i think thats the reaso nfor the deep being so terrible to show yall aquaman wasnt shit till a musclere long haired good looking guy played him. LOL
Homelander is the epitome of white privilage, dont wait for me to explain it, you figure it out.
Mave....? blah, she was so boring with her lesbian arc. lol she use to bang Homelander! wow!
starlight star bright the one superhero with morals. mmk.
and Black-Black... thew silent killer wit ha shit ton of sharp things. he's aight? i never read the comics aka source material.
I watching the series just to understand this
I don't think they were trying to make us sympathize with the Deep. I think he's just a comedic side story that the audience is supposed to laugh at which is why he's shown to be a complete asshole in his first scene, otherwise we would feel bad for him.
loll yeah jummy fallon ruding off of people to gain more popularity etc, so yeah feels right to the darkness
Evangelicals have a large portion of it believe that wealth is a gift of god and they are chosen by him.
I'm guessing you guys haven't read the comics. Black Noir is the most powerful character (even more than homelander). He is definitely sitting in the background for a reason and pretending to be weaker than he is. Unless they change him in the show.
That's all I'll say.
I hope they change him because that plot twist was kind of lame in my opinion and makes practically no sense.
Why would you even spoil that, let them read it or find out naturally but don't be spoiling the plot points.
Deep is like a lamest superhero ever. I like underdogs.
When the video was posted 42 minutes ago and it's 42 minutes long 😌
42! Its a sign.
Un sub you dont mess with holly chiken
I don’t think they are trying to redeem the deep. I think it’s more of a karma situation. He’s not supposed to be sympathetic I think it’s more revenge porn for the audience. A-train had more of a redemption arc, where we can see where he’s coming from and feel sympathy for him, I think if that’s what they wanted from the deeps arc that’s what we would have gotten not what we got
See where he comming from and sympathise with him? A train is nothing but a drug runner who murdered his girlfriend. There is nothing sympathetic about that to me. Yeah he loved her, but he still killed her. Atrain can try and blame hughy for getting pop claw to spill some beans, but a train started it by killing hughies girlfriend and not giving a fuck about it. Its only the first season. I think the deep might learn some lessons from all this and his redemption could come next season. Though, personally, i read the comics and neither of those heroes were redeamable in any way and when the show first started to make them relatable and sympathetic it just felt off. Its like trying to make hitler a relatable and sympathetic person.
In the comics most of the supes have grown up in their vought bubble. They arent relatable people.
Welp, that opener basically stopped me from watching...
It's amazing how anti christian people are for being "anti whatever" and they just don't realize how ironic it is (not to mention how generalized it is. Most Christians are good people, just FYI, and being Christian isn't a bad thing, nor a thing thst somehow makes chicken worse... Or whatever was the implication there...)
@@mfmageiwatch No but it does put you into a camp of "gullible" because you believe in a book that power hungry men wrote to gain control over naive people staring a zombie.
@@mfmageiwatch - It was a joke. 🤦🏻♀️🙄 You people foam at the mouth about gays & condemn others to Hell for not accepting your man-god, but have the audacity to get your knickers in a twist when people crack a joke about Chick-fil-A being affiliated w/Christianity. 😒 If ya can't take it, maybe ya'll should stop infiltrating our politics all the time, or going out of your way to make other people's lives miserable just for loving who they do, or worshipping the way they want to. Ya'll brought this ridicule & scorn on yourselves. 🤷🏻♀️🤪 No sympathy here!
@@KabbalahSherry you people? Chicken sandwich lovers? Lmao... I'm not sure who you think you are talking to, but I'm not anti gay or whatever you are accusing me of. But you are outting yourself as stupid.
@@KabbalahSherry well said.👍