Thank you so much!!!! This is much much better then 45 min of blabla. For some reason all Wing videos are just talking. This is very good thank you!! Not only i can hear FX i can also learn from your videos. All the best!!
That was an excellent presentation of effects routing. Behringer needs to pay you for this very concise and easy to understand tutorial on setting up the effects. Great job Chad. Now, for the 'not so great job' for Behringer. I was really hoping for a giant leap forward in digital board capabilities with respect to effects being applied on a per channel basis and this video cleared up and confirmed a major disappointment that I have with digital boards: Why can't they move on from the ancient Send-Return effect philosophy? I was hoping for the option of truly inserting an effect per channel strip (inline in the channel signal flow with a wet/dry mix control to bleed the effect back to the channel audio). That way, I could have effect settings tailored for each channel that I want to use them on, rather than the old school send all channels to ONE effect processor and get a SINGLE, muxed together, effect return. An example of what I need would be processing REVERB for the in ear mix to each vocalist. With the archaic 'SEND all channels to one effects processor and RETURN all processed signal down one return' effects philosophy, each vocalist ends up getting all the REVERB from all the vocalists to their in-ear, even though they only want me to adjust the reverb for their own channel. I'll wait for the next generation and hope it is more like SAC (Software Audio Console) which is miles ahead of mixing desks when it comes to effect routing.
northtrader Thanks for watching and commenting! As for the rant haha... so, compared to the X32, the Wing IS miles ahead in that regard. Each channel has options to swap out gate, EQ, and compressor emulations that sound amazing without even touching the FX rack. You can get a truly great sound out of this console if you use the tools effectively. Running reverbs per channel is just not as practical or DSP efficient. That said, it CAN be done if you have a small number of channels you need to do that with. Personally, I don’t suggest it but it is possible by inserting a reverb on one of the insert slots on each channel where you want to do so. Sometimes I’ll do something similar for the main worship leader if they want their own reverb for the in-ears, but otherwise, it can get messy really quickly. -Chad
For what you describe, even in a DAW you'd either have to put the reverb on the channel as an insert effect (which you can do in the wing, just choose one of the channel inserts to be the reverb and adjust the mix to taste) but then the amount of this reverb going to the main and foldback would be the same. The other way to do this in a DAW is to have a bus just for the vocal 1 reverb which you can send to the foldback and main mix, which you can also do in the wing, but you would quickly eat up busses. If what you are after is being able to put a reverb effect on every channel, then yes, that is beyond the scope of any digital mixer of this price range, but I'm not convinced you'd want, as you are then limited to having the same amount of reverb in the foldback and the FOH. If you only have a few vocalists, then you can probably get away with just using some extra busses and having a dedicated reverb bus for the vocal IEMs
Reverb added to a singer's in ear mix is usually not a good idea. I have had singer's demand it and I give it to them. Reverb can throw off a singer's sense of pitch. If they don't ask for it, don't offer it. If they ask for it, discourage it.
Great video...very useful sir.. But we also need to send our fx on the IEMS and wedges.... So can you tell us how do we send it over there...because it's bit confusing and not as friendly as x32... Thanks in advance
Table Of Contents: 00:00 - Intro 03:40 - Understanding FX Sends and Returns 04:44 - Setting Up FX Bus Sends 06:25 - Generic FX Settings 07:26 - Setting Up FX Return Channels 08:00 - Hearing the FX / Sends-On-Fader 10:37 - Assigning Custom Controls 12:21 - FX Mute Buttons 13:10 - Tap Tempo Setup 14:43 - Setup Version 2 - Without FX Return Channels 18:03 Outro
You don't need to route your effect bus to a return channel on the Wing. You can route the effect bus directly to the mains, This way you don't waste a channel. Thought it was peculiar that the Wing did not have effects returns by default like the X32, but now I know why. You don't need them.
Nice Video! Thanks :) Helps bridge the time until my wing arrives. For Method 2: Could you attach the Bus -> Main (and Bus -> Bus for FX on mons/busses) faders to a DCA? That way you would still have master control over the FX return.
Thanks for this video!! Question… say you have your stream/recording bus sent to a matrix. Could you send your FX busses to that matrix as well to hear the FX and avoid burning through your Aux channels for FX returns? Is this essentially what you’re doing with option 2 and sending busses to the mains? TIA!
Great Chad. Your videos are the best on this . I'd love to see you walk through EFX to Monitors like this using bus 13-16 to feed bus 1-8 which is I believe how it is implemented Well done
Thank you very much for this video!! Super helpful and very well put together! I was always taught use the send fader for reverbs and the return faders for delays. Seems to be working well for me honestly don’t remember the why but I do like it better that way. 🤷🏻♂️😂
I like having the delay spill, I think it's more natural. That's just me though. Great tutorial, I agree with the previous comment that you're going to become the Drew Brashler of the Wing. Lol. His videos were clutch on the X32. Thanks for the info. Would love to see some other stuff on FX. I saw somewhere that you can choose a modeled compressor for each and every channel and it doesn't burn the actual effects slots that you would use for bus FX like reverb and delay etc. Would like to see if that's true and see a run down of all the other FX as well. Also looks to be some cool harmonic FX like the SSL Warmth which is another one you're supposed to be able to use on every channel because it is a replacement for the stock Gate plug in. Would like to know how that kind of stuff works and if you can indeed use it on every channel. Thanks.
Yes, you can replace the gate, EQ, and Compressor on every channel with models of SSL, Pultec, dbx, etc. and they sound great. I use the LA2A model a lot on vocals and acoustic. The gate section can be changed into a de-esser, dynamic EQ, and a few other kind of specialty dynamics inserts. You can also rearrange your channel strip in case you’d prefer to move one of those plugins to after the EQ and Comp :) - Chad
We just got a wing and are looking to set up waves SuperRack. Can you take a video to go over how you have the wing setup with SoundGrid and SuperRack?
Super initialized and 0 literature shipped with the console on how to set it up. LUL luckily I had a few weeks alone with it to get comfortable. It is not intuitive all.
Why are you calling a mix bus "sends, and sends channels"? It is a bus used for a collection of signals or sends usually processed then returned to the main mix, or routed to an output. Sends originate from the channel strip, then go to the assigned bus. Band Verb S is a mix bus, bus13. The sends going to that bus can be turned on by selecting sends on the channel strip page. All the buses show up there. You can raise or lower your sends there. There are other ways to do it, but using the channel strip is less confusing to the less experienced user.
Great video!! We just got our Wing and are struggling to set it up. Most videos on TH-cam are made as if you've already worked with a digital mixer. Coming from the analog world, the digital world is confusing. Do you have or recommend a Wing video for dummies? lol Thanks!
I dont think they promoted it well enough, but Behringer actually has a bunch of informative, short videos on their TH-cam channel that are totally worth a watch. Do you have any specific questions? The Wing is amazing but it’s definitely a tricky mixer for a first-time digital console. I highly suggest bringing someone to help get you set up and to do some on-site training, if you can. I don’t know where you’re located, but we do a lot of that kind of thing in the NE Florida region.
@@tpez777 In general, always treat your sound like water flowing through pipes. If you’d like your mains to be connected to outputs 15 and 16 of an S16, first connect the S16 like this (this is just an example): Wing(A) -> (A)S16 Then, in your routing, select your outputs and go to AES50-A, scroll to output 15 and select Main L as your source, then select output 16 and route the Main R out of that output. There are more complicated ways to do this, depending on your system, but ultimately, all your individual channels flow to the main mix, the main mix flows out of AES50-A 15/16, then come out of XLR outs 15/16 of your S16 to your speakers. Hope that helps you to visualize the signal path a bit better :) -Chad
Hello, New wing owner here.Dont stone the dumb questions. lol I have 2. -I have a channel that's doubled so inputs 1-12 (standard 1-8) there is no channel 10. my channel 4 is doubled. And I cannot find it. -Also It is quit difficult to get a main output signal for live sound. Headphones all work. The 1/4 main out plugs are dead. I've routed so much. Pretty proud never owning a digi b4. But the main out doesnt ring a bell. Basic I know... Thanks for the help. Appreciate you.
rustydunnsr Hey Rusty. I don’t have a Wing in front on me so don’t take these instructions 100% verbatim. - If you click and hold the View button that is above your left fader bank, you screen will change to show all of your channels. You can now drag and drop you channels in any order that you’d like onto your User channels AND you can even arrange the standard layers. I don’t suggest that. I try to keep those as close to 1-to-1 as possible to avoid this situation. - To route your outputs, click the routing button, click the Outputs button, use the drop down menu to select your physical output (for example, local and then select output 7), in the other drop down menu select what you want to output. There is a section with all the Main outputs. A common choice would be to send Main 1L out of Local 7 and Main 1R out of Local 8. Hope that helps :) -Chad
rustydunnsr If I’m using the Local outputs, yes. Typically, I’d be using the outputs of a digital snake and would use outputs 15 and 16. Depends on how your cable run is set :)
Great question. I believe you can only send busses to the first 8 busses. Not all busses on the Wing can have busses sent to them. If you happen to have your FX on busses 1-8 then you should be able to send FX to FX without burning channels for returns. However, it’s common practice to use your later busses for FX - usually 13-16 in which case, no, you cannot send FX to FX from those busses but you can send FX to monitor mixes located on busses 1-8. Hope that all made sense :) Thanks for watching and commenting! -Chad
Creating FX Return channels is the best option. If you don’t have the channels to do that, make sure your FX Busses are on bus 9 or higher and that your monitors are on bus 8 or lower. You can send signal from busses 9-16 to busses 1-8. If you do that, I’m not certain of this at the moment but, you may need to make sure that the insert used on the FX busses are the ones BEFORE the fader. Again, I could be wrong on that. Finally, you may want to use this setup. This is what I’m doing these days. Frees up more busses but still requires 3 aux channels: m.th-cam.com/video/7S5p5kEb9tA/w-d-xo.html
Generally, AES outputs 33-48 are what go to P16s. So, you can go to Routing -> Outputs -> AES50 X. Select the output you want to send the verb out of and then in your source group, select bus and then choose the effect you want to send. -Chad
I might also consider setting up a DCA for the effects levels on one of the four mains faders to the far right. That way all the effects can be adjusted quickly or turned off (mutes are sometimes a bit too abrupt) even when you are mixing something else with the rest of the board.
What I've done in the past with a X32 is put the sends to the FX on some DCAs. This means you can mute it and still get all the decay, but especially cool for delays, as you can ride the fader and choose to just get the echo more on certain phrases
purtis99 Easiest approach would be to use the first way I show of running effects - with creating FX return channels. On your routing page, I believe you should be able to route your returns to a channel on your avioms that way. Sorry, I don’t have a Wing in front of me right now to be more specific. -Chad
Good job on this video Chad. Many folk on the forums struggle with effects routing options. You covered them well.
Thanks Tony!
this is the most helpful video I've seen so far on this mixer
Thank you so much!!!! This is much much better then 45 min of blabla. For some reason all Wing videos are just talking. This is very good thank you!! Not only i can hear FX i can also learn from your videos.
All the best!!
Leon Profes Glad it’s helpful :)
Thanks for watching and commenting!
-Chad
This one of the best breakdown I ever seen on Wing tutorials. Kudos doc
Thanks!
@@AWTechTuesday I just got mine two weeks ago and it’s dope. Yesterday was my first time using in a church service setting and I had zero issues
@@ThatDevOpsKid Awesome! That’s such a huge win. I love mixing on ours. So much bang for the buck!
Very clear, very good explanation. Thx.
MrWillihelmdueck Thanks!
-Chad
Great video man! Really helpful!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Have a great day!
-Chad
This was great Chad, thank you!
That was an excellent presentation of effects routing. Behringer needs to pay you for this very concise and easy to understand tutorial on setting up the effects. Great job Chad.
Now, for the 'not so great job' for Behringer. I was really hoping for a giant leap forward in digital board capabilities with respect to effects being applied on a per channel basis and this video cleared up and confirmed a major disappointment that I have with digital boards: Why can't they move on from the ancient Send-Return effect philosophy? I was hoping for the option of truly inserting an effect per channel strip (inline in the channel signal flow with a wet/dry mix control to bleed the effect back to the channel audio). That way, I could have effect settings tailored for each channel that I want to use them on, rather than the old school send all channels to ONE effect processor and get a SINGLE, muxed together, effect return.
An example of what I need would be processing REVERB for the in ear mix to each vocalist. With the archaic 'SEND all channels to one effects processor and RETURN all processed signal down one return' effects philosophy, each vocalist ends up getting all the REVERB from all the vocalists to their in-ear, even though they only want me to adjust the reverb for their own channel.
I'll wait for the next generation and hope it is more like SAC (Software Audio Console) which is miles ahead of mixing desks when it comes to effect routing.
northtrader Thanks for watching and commenting!
As for the rant haha... so, compared to the X32, the Wing IS miles ahead in that regard. Each channel has options to swap out gate, EQ, and compressor emulations that sound amazing without even touching the FX rack. You can get a truly great sound out of this console if you use the tools effectively.
Running reverbs per channel is just not as practical or DSP efficient. That said, it CAN be done if you have a small number of channels you need to do that with. Personally, I don’t suggest it but it is possible by inserting a reverb on one of the insert slots on each channel where you want to do so.
Sometimes I’ll do something similar for the main worship leader if they want their own reverb for the in-ears, but otherwise, it can get messy really quickly.
-Chad
For what you describe, even in a DAW you'd either have to put the reverb on the channel as an insert effect (which you can do in the wing, just choose one of the channel inserts to be the reverb and adjust the mix to taste) but then the amount of this reverb going to the main and foldback would be the same. The other way to do this in a DAW is to have a bus just for the vocal 1 reverb which you can send to the foldback and main mix, which you can also do in the wing, but you would quickly eat up busses. If what you are after is being able to put a reverb effect on every channel, then yes, that is beyond the scope of any digital mixer of this price range, but I'm not convinced you'd want, as you are then limited to having the same amount of reverb in the foldback and the FOH. If you only have a few vocalists, then you can probably get away with just using some extra busses and having a dedicated reverb bus for the vocal IEMs
Reverb added to a singer's in ear mix is usually not a good idea. I have had singer's demand it and I give it to them. Reverb can throw off a singer's sense of pitch. If they don't ask for it, don't offer it. If they ask for it, discourage it.
Great video...very useful sir..
But we also need to send our fx on the IEMS and wedges....
So can you tell us how do we send it over there...because it's bit confusing and not as friendly as x32...
Thanks in advance
Table Of Contents:
00:00 - Intro
03:40 - Understanding FX Sends and Returns
04:44 - Setting Up FX Bus Sends
06:25 - Generic FX Settings
07:26 - Setting Up FX Return Channels
08:00 - Hearing the FX / Sends-On-Fader
10:37 - Assigning Custom Controls
12:21 - FX Mute Buttons
13:10 - Tap Tempo Setup
14:43 - Setup Version 2 - Without FX Return Channels
18:03 Outro
You don't need to route your effect bus to a return channel on the Wing. You can route the effect bus directly to the mains, This way you don't waste a channel. Thought it was peculiar that the Wing did not have effects returns by default like the X32, but now I know why. You don't need them.
Correct. I prefer having an FX Return if possible but it’s nice having different options available :)
Thanks for watching and commenting
-Chad
Nice Video! Thanks :) Helps bridge the time until my wing arrives. For Method 2: Could you attach the Bus -> Main (and Bus -> Bus for FX on mons/busses) faders to a DCA? That way you would still have master control over the FX return.
Thanks for this video!! Question… say you have your stream/recording bus sent to a matrix. Could you send your FX busses to that matrix as well to hear the FX and avoid burning through your Aux channels for FX returns? Is this essentially what you’re doing with option 2 and sending busses to the mains? TIA!
Great Chad. Your videos are the best on this . I'd love to see you walk through EFX to Monitors like this using bus 13-16 to feed bus 1-8 which is I believe how it is implemented Well done
You’d feed the RETURNS into your monitor busses, not your sends. 👍
Thank you very much for this video!! Super helpful and very well put together! I was always taught use the send fader for reverbs and the return faders for delays. Seems to be working well for me honestly don’t remember the why but I do like it better that way. 🤷🏻♂️😂
If you’re not careful chad you’ll become the drew brashler of the ‘wing’
Chad actually answers questions in his comment section though. And he doesn’t have a glass eye.
This is great. Can you do a video on having effects sends on individual channels to translate on the stream channel for a stream mix? Thank you!
Thanks! Recommendations for sending reverb to a monitor mix?
I like having the delay spill, I think it's more natural. That's just me though. Great tutorial, I agree with the previous comment that you're going to become the Drew Brashler of the Wing. Lol. His videos were clutch on the X32. Thanks for the info. Would love to see some other stuff on FX. I saw somewhere that you can choose a modeled compressor for each and every channel and it doesn't burn the actual effects slots that you would use for bus FX like reverb and delay etc. Would like to see if that's true and see a run down of all the other FX as well. Also looks to be some cool harmonic FX like the SSL Warmth which is another one you're supposed to be able to use on every channel because it is a replacement for the stock Gate plug in. Would like to know how that kind of stuff works and if you can indeed use it on every channel. Thanks.
Yes, you can replace the gate, EQ, and Compressor on every channel with models of SSL, Pultec, dbx, etc. and they sound great. I use the LA2A model a lot on vocals and acoustic.
The gate section can be changed into a de-esser, dynamic EQ, and a few other kind of specialty dynamics inserts. You can also rearrange your channel strip in case you’d prefer to move one of those plugins to after the EQ and Comp :)
- Chad
Exactly how I set send/return effects up.
Guys, I believe if someone don't understand something its better to take time to learn before you complain. Thank you
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We just got a wing and are looking to set up waves SuperRack. Can you take a video to go over how you have the wing setup with SoundGrid and SuperRack?
Are you planning to use them live or for Broadcast?
Super initialized and 0 literature shipped with the console on how to set it up. LUL luckily I had a few weeks alone with it to get comfortable. It is not intuitive all.
Can you do a video of best sound settings for church service with worship team and sound settings for preaching
what are you sending to mains? the fx sends or the aux returns?
Why are you calling a mix bus "sends, and sends channels"? It is a bus used for a collection of signals or sends usually processed then returned to the main mix, or routed to an output. Sends originate from the channel strip, then go to the assigned bus. Band Verb S is a mix bus, bus13. The sends going to that bus can be turned on by selecting sends on the channel strip page. All the buses show up there. You can raise or lower your sends there. There are other ways to do it, but using the channel strip is less confusing to the less experienced user.
Great video!! We just got our Wing and are struggling to set it up. Most videos on TH-cam are made as if you've already worked with a digital mixer. Coming from the analog world, the digital world is confusing. Do you have or recommend a Wing video for dummies? lol Thanks!
I dont think they promoted it well enough, but Behringer actually has a bunch of informative, short videos on their TH-cam channel that are totally worth a watch. Do you have any specific questions? The Wing is amazing but it’s definitely a tricky mixer for a first-time digital console. I highly suggest bringing someone to help get you set up and to do some on-site training, if you can. I don’t know where you’re located, but we do a lot of that kind of thing in the NE Florida region.
@@AWTechTuesday Thanks for your help. We are having problems setting up the mains and floor monitors. Any suggestions?
@@tpez777 In general, always treat your sound like water flowing through pipes. If you’d like your mains to be connected to outputs 15 and 16 of an S16, first connect the S16 like this (this is just an example): Wing(A) -> (A)S16
Then, in your routing, select your outputs and go to AES50-A, scroll to output 15 and select Main L as your source, then select output 16 and route the Main R out of that output.
There are more complicated ways to do this, depending on your system, but ultimately, all your individual channels flow to the main mix, the main mix flows out of AES50-A 15/16, then come out of XLR outs 15/16 of your S16 to your speakers.
Hope that helps you to visualize the signal path a bit better :)
-Chad
@@AWTechTuesday Thanks Chad. I'll give it a try tomorrow.
@@tpez777 Let me know how it goes :)
Hello, New wing owner here.Dont stone the dumb questions. lol I have 2.
-I have a channel that's doubled so inputs 1-12 (standard 1-8) there is no channel 10. my channel 4 is doubled. And I cannot find it.
-Also It is quit difficult to get a main output signal for live sound. Headphones all work. The 1/4 main out plugs are dead. I've routed so much. Pretty proud never owning a digi b4. But the main out doesnt ring a bell.
Basic I know... Thanks for the help. Appreciate you.
rustydunnsr Hey Rusty. I don’t have a Wing in front on me so don’t take these instructions 100% verbatim.
- If you click and hold the View button that is above your left fader bank, you screen will change to show all of your channels. You can now drag and drop you channels in any order that you’d like onto your User channels AND you can even arrange the standard layers. I don’t suggest that. I try to keep those as close to 1-to-1 as possible to avoid this situation.
- To route your outputs, click the routing button, click the Outputs button, use the drop down menu to select your physical output (for example, local and then select output 7), in the other drop down menu select what you want to output. There is a section with all the Main outputs. A common choice would be to send Main 1L out of Local 7 and Main 1R out of Local 8.
Hope that helps :)
-Chad
@@AWTechTuesday for live sound applications, do u just use the 7-8 outs to speakers?
rustydunnsr If I’m using the Local outputs, yes. Typically, I’d be using the outputs of a digital snake and would use outputs 15 and 16. Depends on how your cable run is set :)
@@AWTechTuesday No snake connected. Just the board. That worked. Thank you.
What would you use the GPIO for?
I was wondering..since you can now send busses to busses do you still need use the fx returns to send some fx into a monitors on stage?
Great question. I believe you can only send busses to the first 8 busses. Not all busses on the Wing can have busses sent to them. If you happen to have your FX on busses 1-8 then you should be able to send FX to FX without burning channels for returns. However, it’s common practice to use your later busses for FX - usually 13-16 in which case, no, you cannot send FX to FX from those busses but you can send FX to monitor mixes located on busses 1-8.
Hope that all made sense :)
Thanks for watching and commenting!
-Chad
@@AWTechTuesday tnx for the quick reply, made it very clear :)
Having trouble sending fx to monitors how can I do this with bus
Creating FX Return channels is the best option. If you don’t have the channels to do that, make sure your FX Busses are on bus 9 or higher and that your monitors are on bus 8 or lower. You can send signal from busses 9-16 to busses 1-8. If you do that, I’m not certain of this at the moment but, you may need to make sure that the insert used on the FX busses are the ones BEFORE the fader. Again, I could be wrong on that.
Finally, you may want to use this setup. This is what I’m doing these days. Frees up more busses but still requires 3 aux channels:
m.th-cam.com/video/7S5p5kEb9tA/w-d-xo.html
how to setup a main LR on the wing for Livestream?
How would you send fx to IEMs in auxiliary outputs and p16s ?
Generally, AES outputs 33-48 are what go to P16s. So, you can go to Routing -> Outputs -> AES50 X. Select the output you want to send the verb out of and then in your source group, select bus and then choose the effect you want to send.
-Chad
I might also consider setting up a DCA for the effects levels on one of the four mains faders to the far right. That way all the effects can be adjusted quickly or turned off (mutes are sometimes a bit too abrupt) even when you are mixing something else with the rest of the board.
What I've done in the past with a X32 is put the sends to the FX on some DCAs. This means you can mute it and still get all the decay, but especially cool for delays, as you can ride the fader and choose to just get the echo more on certain phrases
total confused,
clicking around too fast
May be worth a rewatch but I’m biased in that opinion haha :)
-Chad
How would I send reverb to my Avions
purtis99 Easiest approach would be to use the first way I show of running effects - with creating FX return channels. On your routing page, I believe you should be able to route your returns to a channel on your avioms that way. Sorry, I don’t have a Wing in front of me right now to be more specific.
-Chad