That lady validating the mix made me smile😄 All your hard work is paying off now Chris! No one deserves this like you do brother. Enjoy the mixer as we will enjoy watching you teach us about it. Rock on 🤘
That's the guy from X32 club, still using physical knobs on the EQ instead of direct touch. But I think it is absolutely necessary to include it, LCD disasters are definitely not fun. My previous experience with QU, I couldn't tap phantom power because the LCD was damaged by water droplets. Thanks for the great video Chris! Cheers...
I’ll never get fully used to or trusting of touch screens despite how neat they are. I purposely won’t buy a new car because I want actual buttons. But then again, this new Wing console is so awesome and I can’t justify saying I’m sticking with an X32 even though I know every inch of that board and can operate it blind.
The Wing was tied with the Digico S21 for my favorite console I got to use during my Entertainment Tech program in college. The FX and routing are some of the easiest to use on the market imo! Great video as always Chris! Happy to see you continuing to kill it with content!
Another pro tip; I use a wireless headset microphone to communicate with the band (old Shure 183Mhz unit that interferes with nothing). The receiver pack has a "Mute" button. The mute button is how I control my TB. I can be on the other side of the room, unmute my headset mic, and communicate with the band very effectively without yelling. It also keeps your hands free, so I can talk while moving things, etc. If you're at the console, you solo their monitor channel in your headphones, you can mix monitors very effectively, hear what they hear, and when they speak into their mic in a normal voice, you can hear them. Because you have a headset mic, you don't have to deal with proximity effect on a TB mic. Ergo, you can speak in a normal voice and communicate back and forth very effectively. Bonus; If the club owner needs an announcement made, I just move the TB fader up and now I'm part of the public address. 20+ years doing it this way. It's flawless. Bonus 2; People see you with a headset mic, they tend to leave you alone because they can see that you are part of the band and are busy. Best of luck. Still enjoying your video!
@@drummerdonniedotcom Never thought about using a wireless for a TB. Could come in handy if I’m not physically at the console. When I activate TB it shows up on channel 40 or something, then I just assigned that to local 24 where my mic was plugged in and that worked easily.
I use wireless IEMs at mix position for Solo. I can be anywhere in the room on an iPad and pop ears in and solo something to investigate. Also, works when you bio break mid set. Just solo L/R Mains and be careful to not drop the iPad into the toilet. lol!
@@toddleach1108 The apps I tried to mix on the X32 were so buggy I didn’t bother with an iPad. Hopefully the wireless Wing apps are a lot better. I’d gladly utilize that to mix monitors on stage during changeover.
Just heard you say you work at Dingbatz, I interned there in my early days when Freak was still alive. Great dude, taught me a lot. Glad the venue is in good hands.
Props to you for getting one so fast. I ordered a rack on sweetwater a few days ago. They r saying like December. Can't wait any longer! Ughh. I do sound for a band in South Jersey! This is gonna be a nice upgrade over our m32c.
Great job Chris - love the Wing stuff! Just wondering if you would consider using the wing as your DAW controller/interface for that more tactile and "live sound" feel to your studio set ups?
On the output buttons, I see there is a User option. Does that allow you to do assignable controls? For example, could you move your Tap tempo to one of the 1-16 buttons on the "User" layer? Appreciate the review! Yours is the first hands on review I've seen!
From the way it was explained to me, yes that’s right. I could be wrong though. I’m used to doing everything manually. Thanks for watching! All of the videos I’m releasing this week are all hands on real world use.
Also, if they make it as flexible as the fader layers, you may be able to fully customize and alter the functions of the buttons on the BUS, DCA, and MATRIX pages as well, not just the user page. The Fader layers are fully customizable, so you can put the channel 20 fader on the channel 1-12 layer by replacing one of the 1-12 channel strips with channel 20 instead. As far as I can tell, the only actual difference between the user fader layers and the others is that they come pre-assigned by default, and the buttons have different labels printed on them. Otherwise they are just as customizable as the user fader layers. On the full size WING I use regularly, I have fully re-mapped nearly every fader layer, so I'd honestly be surprised if that type of flexibility was missing from those buttons on the right side of the compact console.
Plenty of reasons. First - I don’t have an iPad. Second - I filmed this video about a month and a half ago, so I didn’t want people approaching the console to take pictures of it. Third - Every single app I did use on an iPad (when I had one) to mix remotely on the X32 bugged out after moving away more than 10 feet and it wasted more time than saved it. Finally - I didn’t want to leave the console unprotected in case some drunk idiot approached the stage.
5:00 one of the best features of the full sized Wing is that you're able to configure any channel or bus as stereo in the config tab. So no need for linking faders like on the X32 because the one fader will just control both inputs. Is that not a thing on the compact?
It’s exactly the same as the full size. When I plug the two cables in for thr OHs and set up one of the channels as a stereo, that works, but the channel where the other cable is plugged into is now essentially a dead channel. I’d rather just have the 2 faders than one fader though.
@@chrishammillaudio It probably helps if you think of it as the pre amp inputs just being inputs or sources as Behringer calls them and not channels just due to how the wing system is. That way you aren't necessarily thinking, "oh i have a dead channel" or something like that. I guess i never really got the feel for using two faders as i started on the wing instead of the 32. Also i do know some people actually run two mono channels fully panned out LR as stereo on the wing for more precise control over elements if you really care (Lee Bataller in one of his videos talks about an advantage to actually doing that but its very minute). Just gotta deal with manually setting levels
@@chrishammillaudio hey, I get the confusion. I said and thought the same way till I had my hands on the (full size) wing a little longer. When using the wing (full size, or compact) you have to look at channels and inputs slightly differently than before on x32. As the user above stated. one channel (fader) can control two Sources (Inputs). So if Cymbals are Input 7 and 8 on the back of the board (or digital snake), you can make channel (fader) 7 OR 8 stereo and control both Overhead left and right with One Fader(Channel). Took me some getting used to, but it saves space on your board, so more faders (channels) at your fingertips For example...lets say you have a band with two keyboards and two guitarist, and everyone wants stereo signals you can do this: Keys stereo Left and right lets say input 9-10 for main keys, 11-12 for top keyboard, 13-14 for stereo rhythm guitar and 15-16 for stereo lead guitar. you can now make the last 4 faders on right of your wing compact control those inputs. Channel 9 main keys...channel 10 top keys...channel 11 rhythm guitar....channel 12 Lead Guitar. Everything can be controlled by 4 faders(channels) instead of 8!! including processing....makes mixing sooo much easier! Just realized how long this response was lol
@@JayBratton31 I get that. I have no problem with getting used to one fader for 2 inputs. Like I said already, if I use channel 3 as my stereo OH channel, channel 4, where the second xlr is plugged in, shows up as a channel associated with 3. Both channels say 3/4 stereo. I cannot use the fader on channel 4 for bass if I wanted to. Unless I’m missing some tiny detail in the routing menu. Thankfully the console allows me to easily copy all of the settings from one channel to another so if I get OH L sounding right, just copy the setting to OH R and manually set the 2 faders.
Just one comment -- that's not a headphone out on the back, it's a GPIO (general purpose I/O) port. You can use it to connect footswitches for control input, or control external switches / relays.
@@chrishammillaudio AFAIK, the headphone port is a separate port -- it's under your thumb and revealed at 3:30. The GPIO port is the one near the MIDI DIN connectors. I don't know any to send audio through a GPIO port.
@@BrandonPaluzzi There is a dedicated headphone port at the bottom of the console below the faders, but weirdly the console has a logo labeled "phones" directly above that GPIO port. Behringer advertises this as 2 headphone ports and said to me you can have 2 different headphone sends, so that will have to be something I look further into.
@@chrishammillaudio I _think_ the second headphone jack is the one that's "upside down" underneath the top deck (it's under your left thumb at 3:28, and is uncovered at 3:30). (Also want to make it clear -- really appreciate your videos, and not trying to be "that guy" at all) :D
Of course! I know you’re not “that guy”. The headphone port is for sure on the bottom right of the console just below the faders. That for sure is a the headphone port lol
OMG I never realize that WING FX work like a DAW.....You can insert directly on your channel without sacrificing you FX Buses...I always thought WING is just a nicer version of X32
@@chrishammillaudio and @pakcikpingu3751 Gate/EQ/Comp can all use built in emulators without an FX slot. Also under each there are some alternatives that can be used if you dont need the gate/eq/comp. For example, there is a pre-amp that can be set up instead of a gate that can add saturation/drive, or a single band dynamic eq that can fit in that Gate Slot as well.
I thought on the wing every fader could be set as stereo and use two channels, no need to link two faders. Maybe I am wrong on that but might be something to look into.
What a beautiful little home studio you got! Are you the dude who mixes over at dingbatz? I used to live near there and your little loft reminds me of my old place.
It takes all of one additional second to get to mute groups which is something I would actually use every day. Other than that, this console is flawless imo. You can set custom user faders to be physical mute groups but I’d rather do the former.
@@chrishammillaudio I have a guess that the user assignable buttons on the right can be programmed to be mute group buttons, as well as a tap tempo etc.
Anyone who asked about the console and motioned to take a picture I just said it’s a legal issue and I can’t have any photos of it. Plus I’m wearing my camera on my head nearly the whole gig. Helps with preventing people from approaching.
@chrishammillaudio I'm really enjoy knowing new features on old or new gear ⚙️.. think about new capabilities and uses, solving problems 🤔. Thanks for the opportunity.
That lady validating the mix made me smile😄 All your hard work is paying off now Chris! No one deserves this like you do brother. Enjoy the mixer as we will enjoy watching you teach us about it. Rock on 🤘
Behringer killed it with this product.
They did
All your hard work is paying off! So glad you can finally share your thoughts on this new console.
Thanks for the support!
Dad rock gigs are always fun
They’re the best. No egos to ruin the vibe, people singing along and drinking. Whats not to love.
That's the guy from X32 club, still using physical knobs on the EQ instead of direct touch. But I think it is absolutely necessary to include it, LCD disasters are definitely not fun. My previous experience with QU, I couldn't tap phantom power because the LCD was damaged by water droplets. Thanks for the great video Chris! Cheers...
I’ll never get fully used to or trusting of touch screens despite how neat they are. I purposely won’t buy a new car because I want actual buttons. But then again, this new Wing console is so awesome and I can’t justify saying I’m sticking with an X32 even though I know every inch of that board and can operate it blind.
Not too mention LCDs in direct sunlight. As good as useless.
I just ordered me one. I can’t wait to use it.
Awesome! Thanks Chris. Fantastic review with a real use case.
Keep my channel on your notifications. I’ll be uploading real world usage videos every day this week.
@@chrishammillaudio Nice!! I sure will!
Nice job Chris. Pleased all your hard work is paying off.
great video!!! i've been eyeing this console and you've sold me.
the band jamming on Starship Trooper was just the cherry on top 🙂
The Wing was tied with the Digico S21 for my favorite console I got to use during my Entertainment Tech program in college. The FX and routing are some of the easiest to use on the market imo! Great video as always Chris! Happy to see you continuing to kill it with content!
8:30 thanks for answering the question I had about where the tap delay would be assigned. This was driving me nuts
Finally Wing compact 👍
I’m going to take claim for it’s de facto name….the Little Wing
Another pro tip; I use a wireless headset microphone to communicate with the band (old Shure 183Mhz unit that interferes with nothing). The receiver pack has a "Mute" button. The mute button is how I control my TB. I can be on the other side of the room, unmute my headset mic, and communicate with the band very effectively without yelling. It also keeps your hands free, so I can talk while moving things, etc. If you're at the console, you solo their monitor channel in your headphones, you can mix monitors very effectively, hear what they hear, and when they speak into their mic in a normal voice, you can hear them. Because you have a headset mic, you don't have to deal with proximity effect on a TB mic. Ergo, you can speak in a normal voice and communicate back and forth very effectively.
Bonus; If the club owner needs an announcement made, I just move the TB fader up and now I'm part of the public address. 20+ years doing it this way. It's flawless.
Bonus 2; People see you with a headset mic, they tend to leave you alone because they can see that you are part of the band and are busy.
Best of luck. Still enjoying your video!
@@drummerdonniedotcom Never thought about using a wireless for a TB. Could come in handy if I’m not physically at the console.
When I activate TB it shows up on channel 40 or something, then I just assigned that to local 24 where my mic was plugged in and that worked easily.
I use wireless IEMs at mix position for Solo. I can be anywhere in the room on an iPad and pop ears in and solo something to investigate. Also, works when you bio break mid set. Just solo L/R Mains and be careful to not drop the iPad into the toilet. lol!
@@toddleach1108 The apps I tried to mix on the X32 were so buggy I didn’t bother with an iPad. Hopefully the wireless Wing apps are a lot better. I’d gladly utilize that to mix monitors on stage during changeover.
@@chrishammillaudioHaven‘t has one Bug in the App on the M32 in the last 3 Years🤔
@@chrishammillaudioi can recommend mixing station, this works for x32 and also the Wing. Don’t know of it supports the compact yet tough
Just heard you say you work at Dingbatz, I interned there in my early days when Freak was still alive. Great dude, taught me a lot. Glad the venue is in good hands.
Nice from Behringer 👍🏾
bro i had goosebumps the whole video
🥶
Props to you for getting one so fast. I ordered a rack on sweetwater a few days ago. They r saying like December. Can't wait any longer! Ughh. I do sound for a band in South Jersey! This is gonna be a nice upgrade over our m32c.
I’ve had this for a few months now. Behringer sent me one and I don’t think I’ll be giving it back 😅
Thanks for an excellent video ! I'm definitely getting one when available, although probably the rack version.
Great video
Yes!!
So nice
I still like the tablet and my trusty Xr18.... I mean how are going to haul that thing into the can if you have to take a dump :)
Great job
just got this one as well, however i will definetly be using a tablet for small venues like this so i dont have to stand in not ideal positions
👍
Great job Chris - love the Wing stuff!
Just wondering if you would consider using the wing as your DAW controller/interface for that more tactile and "live sound" feel to your studio set ups?
I’d love to mix my studio stuff on the console and print it to “tape”
On the output buttons, I see there is a User option. Does that allow you to do assignable controls? For example, could you move your Tap tempo to one of the 1-16 buttons on the "User" layer? Appreciate the review! Yours is the first hands on review I've seen!
From the way it was explained to me, yes that’s right. I could be wrong though. I’m used to doing everything manually. Thanks for watching! All of the videos I’m releasing this week are all hands on real world use.
Yes, and mute groups if you want them.
Also, if they make it as flexible as the fader layers, you may be able to fully customize and alter the functions of the buttons on the BUS, DCA, and MATRIX pages as well, not just the user page.
The Fader layers are fully customizable, so you can put the channel 20 fader on the channel 1-12 layer by replacing one of the 1-12 channel strips with channel 20 instead. As far as I can tell, the only actual difference between the user fader layers and the others is that they come pre-assigned by default, and the buttons have different labels printed on them. Otherwise they are just as customizable as the user fader layers.
On the full size WING I use regularly, I have fully re-mapped nearly every fader layer, so I'd honestly be surprised if that type of flexibility was missing from those buttons on the right side of the compact console.
There is a tool which convert X32 scenes into WING snapshot (and vice versa)
I have already tried it on wing’s firmware 2.0 and it work fine.
That’s fantastic
I remember back in the days when behringer made cheap things that would be untrustworthy. It looks like this one's a winner
So far so good
Just curious how come you didn't use an iPad so that you can mix standing in the back?
Plenty of reasons.
First - I don’t have an iPad.
Second - I filmed this video about a month and a half ago, so I didn’t want people approaching the console to take pictures of it.
Third - Every single app I did use on an iPad (when I had one) to mix remotely on the X32 bugged out after moving away more than 10 feet and it wasted more time than saved it.
Finally - I didn’t want to leave the console unprotected in case some drunk idiot approached the stage.
5:00 one of the best features of the full sized Wing is that you're able to configure any channel or bus as stereo in the config tab. So no need for linking faders like on the X32 because the one fader will just control both inputs. Is that not a thing on the compact?
No, thats correct. Everythings still stereo, even busses
It’s exactly the same as the full size. When I plug the two cables in for thr OHs and set up one of the channels as a stereo, that works, but the channel where the other cable is plugged into is now essentially a dead channel. I’d rather just have the 2 faders than one fader though.
@@chrishammillaudio It probably helps if you think of it as the pre amp inputs just being inputs or sources as Behringer calls them and not channels just due to how the wing system is. That way you aren't necessarily thinking, "oh i have a dead channel" or something like that. I guess i never really got the feel for using two faders as i started on the wing instead of the 32. Also i do know some people actually run two mono channels fully panned out LR as stereo on the wing for more precise control over elements if you really care (Lee Bataller in one of his videos talks about an advantage to actually doing that but its very minute). Just gotta deal with manually setting levels
@@chrishammillaudio hey, I get the confusion. I said and thought the same way till I had my hands on the (full size) wing a little longer.
When using the wing (full size, or compact) you have to look at channels and inputs slightly differently than before on x32. As the user above stated. one channel (fader) can control two Sources (Inputs). So if Cymbals are Input 7 and 8 on the back of the board (or digital snake), you can make channel (fader) 7 OR 8 stereo and control both Overhead left and right with One Fader(Channel). Took me some getting used to, but it saves space on your board, so more faders (channels) at your fingertips
For example...lets say you have a band with two keyboards and two guitarist, and everyone wants stereo signals you can do this: Keys stereo Left and right lets say input 9-10 for main keys, 11-12 for top keyboard, 13-14 for stereo rhythm guitar and 15-16 for stereo lead guitar. you can now make the last 4 faders on right of your wing compact control those inputs. Channel 9 main keys...channel 10 top keys...channel 11 rhythm guitar....channel 12 Lead Guitar. Everything can be controlled by 4 faders(channels) instead of 8!! including processing....makes mixing sooo much easier!
Just realized how long this response was lol
@@JayBratton31 I get that. I have no problem with getting used to one fader for 2 inputs. Like I said already, if I use channel 3 as my stereo OH channel, channel 4, where the second xlr is plugged in, shows up as a channel associated with 3. Both channels say 3/4 stereo. I cannot use the fader on channel 4 for bass if I wanted to. Unless I’m missing some tiny detail in the routing menu.
Thankfully the console allows me to easily copy all of the settings from one channel to another so if I get OH L sounding right, just copy the setting to OH R and manually set the 2 faders.
por que tienes una de esas si aun no ha salido, voy a llorar
Behringer sent it to me.
to my knowledge there still is a way to do 2 fader stereo but not ideal since one fader could be your stereo
There isn’t. I asked Behringer about it. One fader for a stereo pair. I’m too used to 2 faders for OH so it’s not a big deal.
Just one comment -- that's not a headphone out on the back, it's a GPIO (general purpose I/O) port. You can use it to connect footswitches for control input, or control external switches / relays.
The console labels that port as “phones”, and Behringer themselves said that can be used as a secondary headphone port. You are correct though.
@@chrishammillaudio AFAIK, the headphone port is a separate port -- it's under your thumb and revealed at 3:30. The GPIO port is the one near the MIDI DIN connectors. I don't know any to send audio through a GPIO port.
@@BrandonPaluzzi There is a dedicated headphone port at the bottom of the console below the faders, but weirdly the console has a logo labeled "phones" directly above that GPIO port. Behringer advertises this as 2 headphone ports and said to me you can have 2 different headphone sends, so that will have to be something I look further into.
@@chrishammillaudio I _think_ the second headphone jack is the one that's "upside down" underneath the top deck (it's under your left thumb at 3:28, and is uncovered at 3:30). (Also want to make it clear -- really appreciate your videos, and not trying to be "that guy" at all) :D
Of course! I know you’re not “that guy”. The headphone port is for sure on the bottom right of the console just below the faders. That for sure is a the headphone port lol
OMG I never realize that WING FX work like a DAW.....You can insert directly on your channel without sacrificing you FX Buses...I always thought WING is just a nicer version of X32
They’re laid out like a DAW but if you add FX it will use an FX slot. You can change the EQ/COMP without using an FX slot.
@@chrishammillaudio I see......Still a crazy stuff cause atleast you have a lot more room to add more channel specific FX
Absolutely.
@@chrishammillaudio and @pakcikpingu3751 Gate/EQ/Comp can all use built in emulators without an FX slot. Also under each there are some alternatives that can be used if you dont need the gate/eq/comp. For example, there is a pre-amp that can be set up instead of a gate that can add saturation/drive, or a single band dynamic eq that can fit in that Gate Slot as well.
I thought on the wing every fader could be set as stereo and use two channels, no need to link two faders. Maybe I am wrong on that but might be something to look into.
Just read all the other comments and your reply.
Was just about to say read other comments 😂
So this is what you were messing with that you said you couldn’t talk about lol. Could you say how the size compares to an sq5?
Yes. This is the thing I couldn’t talk about.
It’s slightly bigger than an SQ 5 but not by much.
@@chrishammillaudio awesome! Thanks for the quick response
What a beautiful little home studio you got! Are you the dude who mixes over at dingbatz? I used to live near there and your little loft reminds me of my old place.
Yes. I stream every show I work there.
I KNEW IT. Lol
Give yourself a medal! 😂
damn, that's a smooth UI, shame about the submenus though
It takes all of one additional second to get to mute groups which is something I would actually use every day. Other than that, this console is flawless imo. You can set custom user faders to be physical mute groups but I’d rather do the former.
@@chrishammillaudio I have a guess that the user assignable buttons on the right can be programmed to be mute group buttons, as well as a tap tempo etc.
You’re correct.
Chubby pickleeeeee
Amazing name. Amazing bar.
So if you're not happy with the local inputs, purchase an S16 or s32 and stick it in the rack below it.
Never said I wasn’t happy.
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Can any of encoders (knobs) be user defined? I love to have reverb decay on some encoder like assign on M32/X32.
The user tabs can be customized to almost anything you want.
I was expecting this to be more a competitor to the Yamaha DM3, but it's 1 grand more expensive.
It’s 1 grand more console. You get so much more bang for the buck.
How did you prevent that one guy who's an audio engineer from taking a picture lol?
(not specific to the video, just in general) haha.
Anyone who asked about the console and motioned to take a picture I just said it’s a legal issue and I can’t have any photos of it. Plus I’m wearing my camera on my head nearly the whole gig. Helps with preventing people from approaching.
Does this have any kind of dynamic eq or multiband comp that enables sidechain key input?
Yes
@@chrishammillaudio is this enabled on every input that wouldn't eat up an effects slot like the compressor and eq modelers?
The multiband compressor uses an effect slot
Got it thanks for the reply!
Are they covering phish during soundcheck?
🤷♂️
Hey our church service sounds awful and would love for you to come in and help us!
Send me an email.
Do you still have the console or did you have to send it back?
Still have it.
why do you need mute groups if u have dca's?
I never use them any more.
Because I want mute groups.
Asowome
No Ultranet port
The last 16 streams of every AES port are automatically converted to ultranet on the wing and I assume on the compact as well.
How much it cost?
If you watch the video I say how much it is.
In the UK the pre-order price is £2,049.
I might actually bite the bullet and get this
For the price, features and usability it’s really tough not to.
@@chrishammillaudio The OG Wing was just too big.
It was cool but too big.
That's a marble console, I want to digest carefully all chapters. Now at introduction.... I'm out of breath
Huh?
@chrishammillaudio I'm really enjoy knowing new features on old or new gear ⚙️.. think about new capabilities and uses, solving problems 🤔.
Thanks for the opportunity.
not interested in scrolling screens while working live.
Nothing scrolls on the screen….