Behringer WING Pros and Cons feat. James Attaway
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Delay to reverb: Put a reverb in the delay bus' second insert, and use the wet/dry control on the reverb as the level. Works on any bus.
I just ran my first full conference on the Wing this past weekend. On the whole, I loved it! I travel with my board and am usually the main mix engineer, so the volunteer thing isn't a huge issue. The custom controls were super flexible, and made mixing so much more fluid. I used them mostly for reverb settings. I also had to switch setups between our band and Matt Papa's band half way through the weekend and then go back again. The fact that the channels and sources were independent made these transitions way easier! I could plug someone's mic into a new channel and then just change the routing quickly.
Our band also rehearses offsite before the event, so that fact that I could set up in a new place, and then switch to the multi track and mix to the room before the band arrived was huge!
As to that grey section in the top right, I ended up using it most often to adjust my low cut filter. At our conferences we have a bunch of different speakers and I find adjusting the low cut as the easiest way to adjust EQ between different people, at least as a first step. Since on the touch screen you have to dig a bit to get to that, I found it was nice to use it there. I also used it occasionally for gain, but I agree with what you guys said that it might be more useful as something else. I also wish the buttons and knobs in the very top right could be custom controls too.
Coming form an X32 Compact, the biggest thing I loved was being able to see more channels in the user layers as I was mixing. The plugins also made me feel much more creative as I was working to dial in the sound.
The biggest hidden feature in my opinion is the "PRE FDR EQ" which essentiality gives you a "monitor split" within every channel. The only other console that has it as far as I know is the $200k+ Digico SD7. I personally love the Wing.
What is that feature can you please explain me
@@antonyronalda7664 you can eq evry single channel separaty, when you made your monitor mix for the band you can set up a totally different mix. mostly if you EQ channel one, then also the aux channel receive the same EQ and so on. here on this console not, like i understand
You can set your aux sends as "Pre-EQ" on M32/X32
@@guillaumev1022 on the wing you can have a separate eq just for the send from what it seems
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@@guillaumev1022 ...and just use the 'Channel' EQ for the Send EQ..?
Good helpful video, thanks. Many points well made. Note that with the updated firmware, X32 now has much more flexible routing as a selectable option - not just 1-1, 1-9 etc. as mentioned. So you can keep to the original 'simpler' (but quite restrictive) sets of 8, or opt to use the individual (so called 'User') routing facility.
YES! thankful for this vid!
I use the delay/reverb effect specifically to get the "wet delay" without having to route back to reverb, it sounds great!
I love to hear someone say that the x32 is not flexible. Coming from someone that used to mix on a first gen presonus, it makes the x32 seem like there’s way too much flexibility and customization. When my church finally got their hands on one, it really pushed the limits for us in terms of what a sound system could be
Thanks gentlemen!
Man keep the videos coming, I love it,, Since James brought up the new presonus board and I think he actually owns one, could you tell us about the sound quality comparison of the Presonus versus the Behringer. Thanks
The channelstrip on the right side is just fantastic! :) On kn ob activates 48V / gaining / filters and all the jobs are just done within seconds without touching one single time on the display.
Great Video with a lot of know-how from James. Very, very good to bring in some guys that ACTUALLY have a lot of experience and know what they're doing... James mentioned the pitch correction, just like MXU. Still hoping for the updates for pitch correction I guess lol.
Funny how Jake is comparing it to "some other consoles" a.k.a. X32 or M32 meanwhile James is used to SSL L500 grade consoles...
Thanks for your review..
This feels like a fair assessment. 👍
Thanks guys!
I think the point about knowing the limits of your understanding was really good, that's why I don't really recommend it to most churches we work with yet. It's just above their head.
I think the downside to the custom layers is the fact that every Wing you walk up to is going to be different. I like custom layers, however I think the lack of them is what helped the X32 succeed. A volunteer who's used another console knew exactly what controls were available when walking up to any other X32.
Coming from an analogue board, the biggest selling point for me was use by multiple users/congregations. Just load the correct backup and all settings are configured for the new user. Also, accidental board changes are erased with a simple restore.
I love the WING. We have it in our church for a few months now and it feels amazing to use as I'm also a DAW person, everything makes sense. I love the flexibility and the customizability. That being said, it's kinda hard to learn if you're new, some of the stuff are just things that are available for WING. The 4 mains are something unusual, there's a main fader that feeds those 4 and you can access each of those 4 mains through a sends-on-fader flip. Just a few months ago, I also hate the fact that it doesn't have a preset library for channels. Now it does with the new 2.0 update as well as better show controls. I don't like how the pitch correction is designed. I'd just like to select a key and scale and just automatically turn on and off the notes that need to be but right now you have to manually turn on/off the notes and you need to do that in every single one instance of that plugin. Imagine having to run 5 of them. The workaround right now is to set them as snippets as part of the show and set them on a user key.
Anyway, I still think it's the most amazing console in its price range and the flexibility you get out of it is somewhat similar to the bigger bois. Not to mention it has more type of plugins that are also really useful. You can use a full SSL or Neve type channel strip as an insert in addition to your normal channel strip. That is amazing.
Also I use the section on the right side of the touch screen especially the "listen" function which enables you to solo the band that you are adjusting on the EQ which I've only seen on some VST plugins. It can be used for quick adjustment without digging through layers. Just select a channel and turn a knob.
I like this James guy.
He's super informative. He makes stuff simple and digestible. But he can go into the scientific parts of engineering when needed.
Am I the only not seeing the link to James' channel in the description?
The WING is an audio router with DAW channel strip like functionality and the ability to control a daw. It completly relaces 2 X32s with room to spare..
I believe it is an option for that side control surface to act independently of the screen. I don't use it much either.
Yes it is possible to work separately!
The little screen and controls will be very good in case your touch screen breaks!!
to me it seems you didn't link his channel in the description...
Last video you said the Wing is the one of the two boards you would choose, and a few other including SoundCraft Epress 2 - 24 channel, that if we are upgrading,to now a bit confused on what info that you had out present now it so to be a different recommendation, just a bit confused on my purchase now.
Every time James says something negative about the Wing, Jake dies a little inside lol
We have this mixer in our church, and I absolutely love it! I think it's the best value/price deal, plus I don't see anything where Behringer "saved" money on manufacturing it.
The only thing I wish I could have is more Bus channels, as we have a lot of in-ear monitors...
You could maybe move to some people to having the p-16 m mixers, especially stationary people like the drummer. That way they can mix the in-ears themselves and it doesn''t take up a bus. We use 10 of the p-16's for our band. I love not being badgered every 2 seconds to change something about the monitor mix.
Check out the DP48's. We LOVE them for our wireless vocal IEM's
I will like to know if Behringer has been able to solve the hardware issue as it concerns Ghost screen. This has been the big problem being faced by most people with the Wing
I just got two new wings delivered and both of them went over an hour without a single ghost touch during the test.
Ours has been out for repair for this exact issue since early June with no return date in sight.......
I found the issue has to do with the screen warming up. If you turn the screen intensity down, the issue goes away. Before I sent mine off for repair, it took 4 months, I was running the screen intensity at 13%. I could still see just fine.
At 07'30" it's a false statment on the X32 since the firmware 4 and the point to point user routing option. Come on guys, it is out for more than a year now...
Where do I turn on the lights on the back panel?
Just came across this video... A couple thoughts:
2:39 - That's interesting to see the Focusrite Red 3 compressor modelled. I wonder how good Behringer's emulation is. The Red Compressor plugin is one of my "secret weapon" plugins when I mix live. It is often overlooked as being generic, but it has this amazing ability to squash a vocal while retaining every bit of delicate detail in the voice; while most generic compressors make a voice sound muddy if you run the compression too high. I wonder how closely the Wing's emulation can match Focusrite's version.
13:50 - What they said (paraphrasing): "good job Behringer for emulating analog gear and putting their own names on them". What I heard: "Behringer is still stealing other company's products and designs even after 20+ years" Sigh.
I watched this video, but our church doesn't own one haha nonetheless I enjoyed watching.
30-40 DIFFERENT Bands, MULTIPILE Genera's, in a Years time...
Currently using an M32 w/NO plugins..(Considering Waves Performer....)
I feel the the WING is (basically..., and "dumbed down a bit..",....) an X/M with WAVES 'On-Board'..... I find myself wanting to have More FX Options, but lack the 'Slots' to do so..
What is wet delay vs dry delay?
I have a question about transitioning from a an x32 to a wing. Our church is going to upgrade pretty soon and I was wondering how the mono-stereo channels work. We have stereo keys that take up two channels on our x32 and stage box. Since the wing has a channel that is both mono or stereo, how would we integrate that to the stage box? Would the stagebox still take up 2 L and R channels or no?
Yeah, all wing channels can be stereo. When you set it to stereo input, it uses 2 channels on the stage box. Channel 1 and channel 2 for example. I don't believe you can mix and match left and right channels. For example it needs to be input channels 1 and 2 or 3 and 4, not whatever combination you want.
@@jacobbontrager ok so say if I have keys on channel 1 on the wing, it would take up channels 1 and 2 on the stagebox? If that’s the case then what would channel 2 from the wing be on the stagebox?
@@cityofpraisetv I am not familiar with the X32, but from my understanding, the Wing has much more powerful digital routing capabilities inside the board. You can route any stage box input to any channel on the board. You just need to be sure stereo channels are side by side.
@@cityofpraisetv It would be whatever you want. It's a new mindset; don't equate "stagebox input preamp #", now known as a source in Wing terminology, to a "mixing channel" any more. In your scenario, if Channel one is stereo keys (sourced from Stagebox Inputs 1 and 2, then Channel 2 on the wing can still be anything from any other source on the stagebox, or the local inputs, or card inputs, or...so many things. Flexibility is sky high now. Because of that, channel 2 is not mapped to any source by default. You get to (have to) decide.
@@cityofpraisetv Like Jeff said, Think of Sources and Channels as separate things. Having the WING Copilot app and a tablet is really handy when connecting stuff at the stage. That's when you define your sources. Then go back to the Wing, Hit View button for your Channel faders, then in the channels tab, drag and drop what source to what channel/fader you want. Love it!
The wing has eq band soloing. It is not exclusive to the studiolive.
Her was saying: single band bypassing
Hi, Please I need some help.
Allen & Heath QU-32 vs Behringer X32 ???????
Context: Currently using an Analogue Mixer, looking to go digital. Not a lot of tech savvy volunteers in the Church. So it has to be easy to use for everyone.
Any other recommendations or advice would be appreciated.
Useful context, but need more info to make an informed decision. Make a list of all the reasons you want to go digital, how many bus (aux) mixes you will need (consider things like IEMs, broadcast mix etc and whether you will want any of these stereo), think about where you might want to go in the future.
To give you some general info about these;
The QU is one of the most basic options. It's very similar to analogue in operation so the chances are there's very little workflow adjustment to use this. It has good user control so you can lock away some features which can be useful. The flipside is that it's not very flexible, you'll still be labelling channels with tape and having to manually repatch things etc to stop it being confusing. It's also not very expandable and limited in connectivity so if you try and expand in the future it may need replacing. However, if you are generally happy with analogue but just want a few more mixes/recall/locking facilities and are VERY unlikely to expand in the future then it could be a good option
X32 is more flexible, and can expand and connect into different setups more easily. However it's a bit more confusing to use potentially, lacks the locking features, and it can be easy to run out of mix buses when you use stereo IEMs etc.
For other options:
If you are savvy then the Wing can be really easy to use once set up, but the workflow is very different to analogue
A&H SQ series is more similar to the QU and so not a massive change in workflow to analogue, but is a lot more modern and flexible
Good video. I would have fathered you been out of the picture behind the camera. More like interview style. This was awkward to watch.
The Midas console m32 is heads and tails above x32
How?
@@milosjanic1038in every way, physical and electronically, all components far superior to
Physical yes, electronically except preamps no. I used both consoles since the release. I dare anyone to recognize them in a AB test.@@murraywebster1228
Great review but the most important thing for me is How does it sound . Sound quality is the end result. Can you talk about that ?
I'm sure you can find 3rd party testing.
For churches, in my experience, having a board with high quality pre-amps and ect doesn't equal a better sound if volunteers can't easily operate it.
Lol, he basically said if your on the stupid side and not willing to learn... then this may not be the board for you. Well that sounds more like a personal problem for some people than a hardware issue. he he
It's still 48kHz output frequency, right? Is quite a difference in what goes out to the speakers compared to a 96kHz output.
99 out of 100 people attending will not notice this at ALL. That ONE person who would notice.... well they should join your team ;)
@@huktek Aww.., that's a great compliment! The A&H SQ series has had 96kHz output from the beginning in 2018. On the other hand, each console has their particular strengths and weaknesses--but I thing the SQ, with it's many optional cards, is a better long-term investment if starting from scratch.
@@huktek I think that is a strawman argument. The difference from 48-96 is massive and that's like saying we don't need 1080 because most people can't tell the difference between them. 48 is a bottle neck in sound quality. Not saying that is a killer for this desk just don't like the argument.
@@EnhanceDontDistract In a live setting, for the difference to be noticed you'd have to have a pretty epic PA and a treated room. Of course it "can" make a difference, but in a live room there are 100 other things that will make that difference negligible, and for broadcast... well, compression from encoding will probably remove any benefit.
@@huktek sorry man I just don’t agree. I have A/B on not great PA’s and there is a difference. Now is that difference worth it? Thats a different conversation.
Get a yamaha digital mixer its simple and easy to use
Some of the Yamaha mixers are nice But I personally know of 6 TF mixers that have had issues, problems with channels going out, faders going out, just not as reliable as I hoped for on the TF series. But I also know of somebody that bought an Allen & Heath Avantis digital mixer and got a new Dante card with it and the Dante card was bad out of the box, so sometimes you do get a lemon, It's just the way things go sometimes times I have 2 of the classic Presonus studiolives that haven't had any issues for the past 8 years ears and some of my friends who run sound for some other churches have had the classic and the AI versions and have had quite a few problems with those so it makes you wonder sometimes, I heard a lot of it has to do with not having clean power to those boards.
I agree with you get a Yamaha Digital Mixer, easy to use, easy to train volunteers, easy routing, Can be integrated to Dante without any issues. I love it. I have been using TF5 since 2019, no issues so far
Analog rules…
Like you were asking him… then interjecting your opinion… would rather you have done your own and his own. Just my .02
Jake I never 👎 like the way you speak to peoples businesses .
Jake leave people to make their own decisions about their consoles.
Remember we are serving a wonderful God the father.
Whatever you say the work of Christ will continue by people buying behringer wing consoles .