30 Essential Ideas you should know about ADHD, 3A The Five Executive Functions
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Five Executive Abilities that all people have but ADHD people are deficit/delayed in.
1) Can you stop? Self-restraint. A quote “Everything comes to those who can wait!” Can you delay your behavior so you can do the best action?
2) The Mind’s Eye. Mental Imagery. You will recall the relevant past and use the past to do better behavior in the future. ADHD people can’t do this. You lack hindsight, and without hindsight you can do foresight.
3) The Mind’s Voice. You can’t talk to yourself, internally. Starting at the age of five you can separate what you do with what you think, you now have a “voice in your head “to help control your body so you can do better actions that affect your body and your brain.
4) The Mind’s Heart. The ability to manage your emotions so your body and mind work towards your long term best interest.
5) The Mind’s Playground. The ability to imagine dozens of possible futures and pick the best one with the best perceived results. Since you can’t perceive the future well due to the mind’s eye, and you have a working memory problem it is so hard to use the Mind’s Playground to his best abilities.
Not covered in this video, but in the years since the video Barkley has added another executive function which is a combination and expansion of all the previous executive functions. This 6 executive function is the mind awareness of itself.
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The 6th executive function is
6) The Mind’s Awareness of Itself, especially through time and space. Self-Awareness of what is happening to you in the past, the present, and will happen to you in the future. This is actually the first thing toddlers learn, how itself interacts with the environment but it is also the last executive function to fully develop for the perception of time and the future self is still developing even in your late twenties.
Originally number 6 was part of the number 2 (the Mind’s Eye and the ability to do hindsight and foresight) but Barkley eventually thinks it needs its own point, for it is so much more than just visualization. It is your sense of TIME, you get so wrapped in things that you lose track of time, you do not have an objective idea of time, it is so subjective and so often wrong with predicting what the future is going to be.
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"if you wanna see an adhd person fail, put him in an environment where there are no consequences" - being a total failure during covid quarantine anyone?
not yet, but my tank is empty af. 8 hour 5 working days turning into x hours 7 working days to make up.
@@guslulu4126 yet all the places where people actually followed and they had propper lockdowns life is already back to normal for months with a fraction of the infections anywhere else. But yea, keep calling it nonsense and dragging out being able to go back to normal. short pain (few weeks) > a year now of half measures
@@guslulu4126 lolz.
Yeeeeep, this hit home
@@cat-le1hf i actuly started taking meds again because i couldn't go without anymore. A personal loss :(
I am quick to be hurt, quick to let it go, quick to forget, quick to remember, slow to learn from past behavior. He is speaking about my life.
He knows us well..l just hope he has a video on how to deal with adhd
My daughter is exactly like this also. So eye opening for me, really helped me understand how she ticks.
Yee but I don't agree we don't have Inner voice, I actually have to much of it 🤣 overall I think we are just 'more' in all category.
He is telling like we are doomed to failure, whereas there are SO MANY sucesfull people with ADHD. This talk is a BIG exaggeration...
It's not an exaggeration for some people. There are successful people with ADHD, but it's not the same from person to person. Many people have co-existing disorders and those disorders can also vary in nature and severity. I have ADHD, among other things, I have a child with ADHD who has other things which are different than mine, and I teach special education, so I live with ADHD in one or more capacities every second of my life.
@@jenstiff1475 if somebody has few disorder you can't say, that ADHD is to blaim of XYZ.
I have two kids one is a copy of me (ADHD) , he is obviously bit different than peer group but still thriving. He has some problems and other kids have different Issues, it's all add up to O in average. Everybody has something.
I'd love to see stats on how many people added this to their watch later list and how many people actually did watch it later.
I can't remember when I added to my watch list.. Probably many months ago, I heard about him on Reddit (/r/adhd), and I'm watching all his videos today because I have very very important work to do or I won't get money this month too.
ha ha. I was hoping there would be notes somewhere. LIke a bulletted list. I keep watching it over and rewinding as I fade off to other things and realize I'm not listening anymore.
Saved his whole playlist, so far have watched 3/27 videos and can't remember when I saved them
It's like almost at the bottom of all the playlists I've saved so that must've been a looong time ago
nickrowan
I added it and watched it when I wanted to and I have ADHD. Of course, that was like 6 months ago but still!
russel barkley drags my entire existence for nearly 13 minutes
Same here I a in tears
I have a mind's voice; it's just always thinking about random shit
Andrew Choi yeah i think he meant a controlled voice that you use to regulate your behavior. like singing as opposed to listening to music
Ya found that part innacurrate but he is over generalising even though people with adhd all have adhd there will not be 2 ppl it's affects exactly the same but he has to generalise as he is speaking to a crowd and gas to include some main points but I think he should have made a point of saying it.
Patrick Clarke It’s not inaccurate. He said that these executive functions are severely delayed, not that they’re missing.
And ADHD is a spectrum, he's talking about all the sides of ADHD, but different people may experience different symptoms. I may have more issues with time blindness and less with having a controlled mind's voice or mind's eye...
Also it's super important to remember that, as good and knowledgeable as he certainly is, this is from 2009. It's been 12 years since then, maybe some of the things he said have now been tested with different results! For example, my therapist said that it's very common for ADHDers to have hyperphantasia, which contradicts the thing he says about the "mind's eye". Some new things get discovered all the time, he may have been right for 2009 but new researches gave come up since, it's good to stay updated
My mind's voice just says "you should do these things" and then my head is like "yeah, I know, but not now"
and then my head gets an idea, like "I should build a shoe rack" and I won't be able to to anything else until I've built that damn shoe rack. True story.
Hearing all of these little details (most of which I never even realized were linked to my ADHD) be voiced by a professional in the field of studying ADHD is a form of validation I never knew I needed.
You and me both. This explains so much of my childhood and how it had cause so many lasting effects as an adult.
Same dude it’s profound
Same!
I just want to cry. I am 30 years old and I learnt about 10 years ago that I may have adhd, but I avoided it like the plague... thinking I don't want to associate a disease with me.
At 30, I now know it's not all my fault... Our brain is different and there's nothing wrong with seeking help.
i have an inner voice that is literally constantly going, it's impossible to ignore. i tell myself to do things, and ponder new possible methods of doing things, but i literally cannot do them. that is the problem, not that there's no inner speech. it's always been there too, when i was a kid i thought of it as an imaginary friend lol
Yeah my mum said I used to chat to myself all the time too and I never knew that was an ADHD thing
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Well, he did say "Whatever they have there doesn't control them", so I guess he does acknowledges that we have a voice in our head. It just doesn't do what it does with neurotypical people. For us it is more like a friend than something that is supposed to control your body.
My husband has asked me if I get exhausted from all the things going on in my head. Yes. Yes I do.
Me too, I'm usually onboard with this guy but I have to say this lecture had a lot of issues, too much simplifying and I didn't appreciate the autism comment
I’d take it one step further.. it’s just not that ADHD is defined by superficial symptoms...
It is that ADHD is defined by how OTHERS are inconvenienced by the patient. Defining a condition by how it impacts those around the patient instead of by what the patient is actually experiencing seems both ignorant and unethical. Even the name of the disorder is from the perspective of others. I wish they’d rename it something more in line with the wholeness of the condition. Perhaps executive function disorder or something similar.
Apryl C 👏👏👏👏👏
This pretty much sums up why I have such a strained relationship with my parents. I know from their perspective it seems like I’m doing it to them but it’s not intentional and I’d do a-lot to go back in time and fix it but even with the knowledge I’m not sure I could fix it, probably fuck it up somehow haha.
Dr. Barkley has been pushing for it to be renamed an executive functioning disorder.
@@funkyjawa He has also said "Intention deficit disorder" is more accurate because we don't get everything done that we intend to do.
Yes, he says that it shouldn't be referred to as an attention deficit desorder but rather an inhibition deficit desorder!
I've been suspecting I have adhd for awhile and I definitely understand the whole "won't motivate without consequences" funny enough, Ive always gotten good grades but Ive realized it was because I was always worried about disappointmenting my teachers and parents. Though looking back I think the homework assignments took me a bit longer than everyone else. I never understood why because by definition others would call me smart.
Same. I for my part got called smart also, but always felt like I could have done better. I'd also always wait til the last day for something or I wouldn't have the "drive" to do it. I did nothing else til I was done with that task then (like, not even move from my spot til I'm done), then show the homework at school or write the exam and then the info is gone D: Since I didn't care about it, but everyone else did. So yeah, can relate.
Currently processing my diagnosis. I’m super high functioning I guess, because I’ve accomplished a lot. But looking back, the signs were there. It shouldn’t be as hard as it was. I shouldn’t have to replay a video 10 times until I’m in tears for it to stick. I shouldn’t lose focus after 15 minutes of sitting. It’s not normal to be controlled by the crippling anxiety of disappointing others (for no reason, largely bc of lack of foresight/hindsight I couldn’t understand that no one thought I was going to fail except for me). It’s liberating to be guided by a kind inner voice and compass, and for those lessons I am deeply grateful for these videos with Dr. Barkley.
There is SUCH a huge variation in presentation of ADHD. Naturally you are going to have to figure out how it works for you specifically.
@@Ishaaa95 “…controlled by the crippling anxiety from the thought of disappointing others.” This is probably the sole reason I have ever accomplished anything in my life. Wow. Those words are like a gut punch.
I've always gotten good grades bc if im not doing something I get bored so decorating my homework (and then doing it) + listening to classes bc some were interesting made me have good grades so no one noticed my adhd until on covid I failed everything ToT
I too now suspect suspect I have ADHD, and have struggled my whole life with accomplishing anything that did not have immediate consequences, or couldn't be achieved in less than half an hour. I've never had any issue with chores, or work, if the task was immediate and purely physical. But anything that required forethought, planning ahead, or just human interaction, I could never tackle without a great deal of mental exertion.
I'd like to get professionally assessed, but the process of making appointments, and going through multiple consultations to see the right person, is utterly anathema to me.
I am in my early thirties now, and I always would wonder what the hell was wrong with me. Why could I never get anything done on time ? Why could I not be consistent with anything at all ? etc.... The absolute worst part of it all was, at some level I knew that I was disappointing everyone, when I really did not want to... but I not matter how angry I got at myself and forced myself to 'change', it would not work... And I absolutely had no idea why, nothing I tried to do would work. 'All you need is to get serious...', 'Why are you cheating yourself ?' , 'Why are you so lazy ?', 'Why don't you think before you act ?' .. etc... is what everyone would say to me ... and I really tried to get serious, not cheat myself out of my time, not be lazy, to stop and think but, it was all in-vain.
Luckily, I was able to get myself out of a bind, save myself from failing a class, by cramming last minute... but I have not been able to learn how to learn... nothing has really stuck. Nothing has. The shame and guilt of disappointing others and myself is pretty unbearable. The amount of anger and frustration I have felt towards myself, because of my lack of following through and delivering something, is incalculable.
In my thirty year ... I did not have a single person in my life, who though, 'hey maybe this kid has something going on with him...', I got zero help... All I ever got was, 'you gotta do better', 'you have the potential to do better, just try...' All that pain, all that self-loathing... I wish someone had told me to not hate myself and that I am not a horrible dishonest person who does not respect his own time... I wish someone had looked at me and helped me instead of lecturing me. It had honestly never crossed my mind that I might have had ADD/ADHD... I had that inner voice... but I would never listen to it... And I pretty much don't hear it anymore. I am pretty much on 'auto-pilot'... I don't know how to feel right now honestly.
Exactly. You’ve described much of my life as well. I was recently diagnosed at age 70, after 40+ years and thousands of $$ spent on psychotherapy, psychiatry, productivity coaching, meditation retreats, all trying to figure out how to focus, be reliable, and get things done. If even only one of the mental health professionals had recognized the symptoms it could have saved me years of frustration, loss, and shame. I am so grateful for the work Dr Barkley has been doing to educate professionals and consumers/patients about ADHD diagnosis, costs, and treatments.
I can totally relate. Our life is a struggle.
Get a professional assessment by a thoroughly qualified expert **in this field**.. If you watch the dozens of TED/TEDx talks on Lived Experiences of Neurodiversity diagnoses like ADHD and ASD, the overwhelming response is one of immense relief and a sense of hope for the future (finally!!) because a diagnosis allows you to understand your strengths and weaknesses better and to implement evidence-based plans and strategies that are much more effective than "see a counsellor", which has been shown to be empirically useless because you can't "treat" Neurodiversity, you simply need to learn how to live as the most authentic self you can be.
They say insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Realizing that everyone else in my life are crazy 2 continue expecting me to be ready and waiting at the door when they come 2 pick me up. Threatening me every single time "you better be ready" then the hatred once I'm in the car "always making people wait for you" Finally get the adhd /comorvid ocd diagnosis. It didn't change their shit. "I have adhd too and I never make ppl wait for me. I show up for MY job on time. I'm always at the door ready to go if someone's generous and selfless enough to go out of their way, using their gas dollars, their time..." 😮💨OVER AND OVER AND OVER. Fuck. It's crazy I thought they'd want to find helpful solutions but they just stopped bothering with me. 🥺 I think I was their scapegoat. Reliably the could count on me to fck up and they could channel all their shit onto me. Now they're stuck with their shit. Tbc...
You just described my entire life
im an adult with adhd and i talk to myself all the time
me too
More importantly, he was talking about normal [non-AD(H)D] children. So if AD(H)D remains untreated, some executive functions are delayed. ADD doesn't go away with age.
i'm an adult with adhd and have an underdeveloped mind's eye and mind's voice still. A lot of what I talk to myself about is not regulatory, or if it is regulatory in nature it is repeated constantly because I never re-engaged the original task. Tell myself 30 times over the day to buy a replacement phone screen, takes me five days to actually get it done. Hey have you even started that homework? no? go do the dishes. no seriously go do the dishes.
At least one of my friends used to talk to herself constantly. She was very future-oriented. I can't understand it, it is a functional difference between us and them - we can do these attentional, executive things but not at the same level as them
If you listened. He said that all traits are present in the child, they are just delayed. so yes, by adulthood I hope you would be able to talk to yourself.
Hmmm, sure he can self talk. But how well can he use self talk to self-regulate? I believe That is the trait that is underdeveloped.
Best speaker on the subject I have ever heard.
HE gets it!
I got it. Finally. So i can now live in the moment. I live the life now. Dont feel bad about it and keep going. Just do what i do best.
Hurray
He gets his pharma pay checks as well.
Best ever
@@alanberkeley7282 Get a job!!!! You've too much time on your hands
I have a severe lack of motivation and my environment is the problem. This guy gets it. The gaming and reading as a kid and adult, now 30, was an escape but also explains my need for gold stars and a ton of external timers. The one more chapter and just one more level are a constant.
I wish the medical professionals I've seen in the past were half as knowledgeable as this man.
If the medical professional is not an ADHD itself forget it!!! In my person experience and very biased opinion, if you don't have or if you are not extremely connected to a loved one who has it, and I mean EXTREMELY CONNECTED, you do not get it. Neurotypical people don't understand it, do not see it, can not relate with iot AT ALL!!! I have seen it across multiple cultures, age differences, level of education... THEY DO NOT GET I!!!
That's why I suffer for 20 more years and thinking I am different to others. He has totally describe me! Finally I got it, thanks.
herne derjaeger r u dumb?
@@AM-dh7nj nOpE
Same, so many years feeling like an alien and now finally everything makes sense, and by the way, I was diagnosed when I was 16. I just didn't know it affected so many aspects of my personality in part of it's awful name and awful description on the thing that names mental problems (Forgot the name).
Did I miss the part where he discusses what can be done about it. For instance, im a middle aged man, that unfortunately has lived with this condition for as long as i can recall. What can I do in my late 40's if anything to have a happier life.
8:27 - 9:04 just summed up my life. No matter what I've tried, I've never been able to hold on to doing anything. So much so I simply define myself as 'consistently inconsistent'. Learning to undo this idea with self-motivation and just being more accepting of how I am is really really hard.
U just described me. It’s so hard to accept the way that I am and so frustrating seeing other people being consistent and my inability to do so.
Right there with you, buddy. I hope you’re doing well.
Makes so much sense how he thinks about it. Better than "trouble focusing" which you always hear.
Best video on ADHD i've seen in my whole life.
I have been living with everything he is saying all my life. I am totally amazed what I'm hearing from him. It's like he is talking about me. I'm 55 years old and I struggle to get motivated to do stuff.or I will wait until it's an emergency to get it done. and then I get motivated. It really is a evil disease.I will always go somewhere and drive buy where im going. thinking about something else. almost everyday I do it. Very aggravating.
Alot of the times I act on impulse. But then shortly after regret and think of a million better ways I could have done things better. But when it comes to certain things like anger, it's very hard to control and when I'm angry or upset, there's no talking about it or trying to calm myself down. It just stays there and pulses in my head sometimes taking hours before my head can mentally calm down from the anger. Internally I try not direct my anger towards other people but I've realized the older I get, the more difficult it has become to control my emotions. My emotions are get much much difficult to contain and they are overwhelming.
I'm sad that as a kid there was a million signs I had adhd but no teacher or my parents even wanted to get me checked. I was always distracted,bored at school,did my own thing, was only interested in talking and thinking about video games and I day dreamed so often that I thought I was sleeping with my eyes open. My spacing out has gotten so bad that I am too afraid to drive because there has been times I've spaced out while driving. Only to realize that I've been driving for 10min without seeing anything and my body was kinda on a autopilot type thing.
I wish my head could shut off, just for a few hours, just to remain calm and take deep breathes without overthinking and hurting my head, wish the suicidal thoughts of frustration and anger left me. Reasoning not working, and I wish that the same focus I had on video games could be directed to other things in my life. If only I had the same drive and focus on video games on other things, I feel like I have so much potential but lack the ambition to follow through with it because I am easily bored or distracted by other things going through my head
"It doesn't matter what your goals are, you will not get there." Oof, that hits home and hits hard. Still not sure how to manage all this.
Although this person sounds as if he's trying to scare people, ADHD is really something to be worried about in an adult's life. I couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. I really care about other people and everything else around me, but it's as if I don't care and I'm completely irresponsible. I feel horrible as an adult to be in situations where everyone is given a task, but the person giving out the tasks sounds reluctant or unsure when giving me one. I say in my head, "Please, give me one too. I want to be considered as a part of you too and as contributing as anyone else here...:*("
It's really comforting to hear that it's a neurogenetic disorder. I would rather accept that I'm physically disabled than to accept that I'm a bad person for not trying hard enough to concentrate for the past 20 years.
Kefas Teguh Putra
Bless you. Whatever we are....we are ok. You are not a 'bad person'. Shame on the 'normal' that have made us feel that.
Yeah, if you don't mind laying down and rotting, not being able to last in a job more than a few months, I guess there is nothing to worry.
Yeah I feel you ❤... Same in my world 😢
Omgosh what you said hits home sooo much!
More like “mentally disabled” than “physically disabled”, man.
Great talk, but not sure I agree with the inability to simulate. I can simulate a million solutions to ANY problem, it's execution, selection, and motivation to action that I struggle with...
Same! I am very creative and a big time problem solver, but even with all of my great ideas I cannot get myself to execute them. The motivation just isn't there.
@@tegan71969 Exactly!😅
I think he meant in children ;) At least some others said he added that it's present in adults, just with some issues as well.
@@Chizuru94 Could do it as a kid too, no problem. My issue has always been follow-through.😓
Same, I do think he’s being a little hyperbolic in saying all five functions are shot. Personally, my uneducated layman ass thinks that it’s more about the interplay through the sequence of directing action is interrupted in various ways, differently for different people.
Given the huge variety in environment and socioeconomic factors, and that this is clearly polygenic, why wouldn’t we assume that it looks different between people? I can think of family right off the top of my head, and see how different we are as well as the commonalities.
I have ADHD (combined type) and I am a master’s level, mental health counselor. 100% agree with all of this! I manipulate my environment to help me with consequences, I struggled with all of these my entire life and still do when the strategies and tools to help me with my executive functioning are not in place. Always enjoy listening to this man!
Do you take meds?
Please help me.
I work in this field in this profession as well. I took meds for awhile and may go back due to working at home with less structure.
@@lisafeldmann9863 there’s no way I would have survived working from home.
Me too! I was just diagnosed at 46 years old. I was always told I was Bipolar 2...but wow, ADHD is the story of my life.
Holy crap, this is the reason I cannot start a simple project without a clear step-by-step process.
It's like a emotional disconnection from the future. Like I KNOW i'll regret what i'm doing rigth now or what i'm failing to do but I'm just enable to emotionaly CARE enough about it to do. Even with almost life changing decisions. Like a neurotypical person while drunk
Wow, so many of the points made in this video hit me hard. Watching this video, was the last piece of *motivation* I needed to get a thorough diagnosis for ADD so that I can start living like a normal life.
How different is your life now
How are you now?
The people want to know: HOW ARE YOU
Update!
I am only on video 4/27 and have already learnt more and written more down on the subject than in five years of studying special education teaching. This will surely change a lot.
Kim Can you post the link to the playlist?
@@Andreostudiophotocinema Still need or want it mate?
wow. for years they have told me my daughter has severe ADHD...ok so what do i do? This is the FIRST time the disorder has been explained to me where it really hits home!! I now understand so much
8 months later, hows it going? seen some improvements?
Don't take a single explanation as total truth.
Please have her tested by a psychiatrist or child study team through school. I cannot express how much being evaluated could have helped me in school
@@whatspongebob Agreed....I was diagnosed with adhd (inattentive) at 29. For a few days I was "mourning" the person I could have been now had I known I had this disorder. I could have asked for extra time in exams in hs and college. I could have been on meds and go to CBT. I could have finished college in 4 years instead of 7 years. Whoever is reading this...just go see a professional. None of this buzzfeed self-assessment bs. Don't let anyone discourage you! Even yourself.
My daughter was diagnosed at a young age as well as my son. The most they gave me was here are some pills. Their brains basically get wires crossed so they dont pay attn and are hyper.
Fast forward and at the age of 41 I was actually diagnosed with Predominantly Inattentive ADHD. I was floored when a Psychiatrist took the time to actually go over the true workings and symptoms of this disorder. It explained my entire life. Next I was so damn angry that I wasnt armed with this information as a parent for my kids. I had to process my bitter anger at the doctors that misinformed me about my children causing valuable yrs of proper treatment to them and anger that it took 41 yrs for me to be told I had it. We are now all on medications that work individually better, we're all in therapy and utilizing ADHD Coaches. My babies will not suffer in adulthood as I have.
I have adhd, I am one of the best troubleshooters you will ever meet. Don't ask me to show up on time, don't ask me to filter my mouth, give me a shopping list if you want to see some interesting fail, but I am one of the best troubleshooters you will ever meet ... because I'm always forgetting what I Was doing and having to re figure it out and I'm easily distracted by minute details that often prove to be important.
But, I do stupid stuff, I'm really good at doing stupid stuff smartly ... umm, yeah. I'm not allowed to ever use a crane ever again, but I fixed that parking issue.
This explains my life with adhd and its nearly brought me to tears on how very accurate my life has been so far with my Many issues with adhd and everyone just believes it's a simple disorder but it's much more then a simple 4 letter disorder
So basically I don’t have the abilities that every job requires, how am I supposed to confidently go into an interview if I fundamentally lack what they need me to have ?
You have to try to find a job where most of the tasks are more entertaining for you. So you can live in the moment, and still get the tasks done.
Alternatively (and far less fun): Find a job where they micromanage you, so there are immediate negative consequences if you fail. Work WITH your management about your ADHD, so they know how to manage you better.
In my experience, you have to find a job doing what you enjoy. Before I did, I failed every day and my self esteem was terrible.
Still trying to figure this out, pretty sure I'm just doomed to poverty at this point.
@@mtneves77 Don't think you'll be doomed to poverty. I've been financially successful at different times in my life. Somehow, I ended up in the right profession that was perfect for someone with ADD. Figure out your strengths and weaknesses, and look back on past employments to figure out what worked or didn't work for you and your ADD. You'll figure it out and once you do, you'll have the motivation to pursue it. The hard part is the time, it may take awhile to first secure a job in the field, and second get to a point where you want to be in your career. Take tiny baby steps and you'll get there.
@@Drowsong god no hate micromanagement
One of the biggest motivators I do to help myself is make life a game. Every task I make a competition with myself and others.
This is the fourth time I have watched this series of videos over the last two years, it is an informational gold mine. I watch the videos then go on to learn from other sources and come back and watch these videos again. Every time my understanding becomes deeper. So awesome. Although, as a mother of an ASD child I don't agree with his blanket generalization that the disorder is a failure to develop the ability to relate to others as special objects: my child is the most loving kid and wants to be friends with everyone, but he just doesn't know how to socialize appropriately, he doesn't know how to filter information and appropriately replicate social interactions. I think he should stick to ADHD.
I feel similar things about his statements on autism. I think it's a vast oversimplification at best to call it the "core" of ASD. It's one aspect I struggled with growing up, but definitely not the "core".
"Self control is not learned" so true. I am one of six kids who varies significantly from my siblings. Some days emotion takes over from not bering diagnosed until 45-47. Can you stop, can you wait? HELL NO.
We have a minds eye and an inner voice, we just can’t control what we think. It seems like we have all parts to do what we need to do but can’t use them when we need/want them
Intrusive thoughts are the worst!
In case anyone is confused (I personally was, at first), I hope this helps:
Even though it might be confusing and it _might_ seem at times in this clip that he is suggesting otherwise, in reality Dr. Barkley indicates or implies at several points (both in this clip and in other clips of the same talk) that people with ADHD *do* have an internal monologue/self-talk in their heads/“mind’s voice”, but that those with ADHD develop this internal monologue at a later point, compared to those without ADHD.
He says it in this very clip that you are watching right now, at 10:22 (linked here: th-cam.com/video/Illf_Hsy570/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OT3IOGXbiBTlfjxQ&start=622 ) when he says, “Those are the five executive abilities. We know where they are in the frontal lobe. We know that ADHD children have lost all five of them-- *actually that’s a bit of an overstatement: it's not that they don't have them, it's that they are quite delayed, and we will discuss the delay in a moment.* ” (notice how he has corrected himself here.)
And he also implies it here (i.e., 6 minutes and 19 seconds into) this other clip of the same talk, th-cam.com/video/zmaA5zwNYQQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=415aehr3-2u8D16F&start=379 , when he says, “We know that cognitive therapy, which is teaching children to talk to themselves, fails for ADHD. We know why now: because the mind’s voice is not developing on time. And in order for talking to yourself to have any success, you must have a normally-developing internal speech, *and they don’t. At least not until adulthood* , and then some cognitive training does help as a supplement to medication. But, in childhood, cognitive training doesn’t help ADHD.”
@@candlespotlight but even then, it doesn’t seem correct. I’ve had an inner monologue for as long as I can remember, and it’s an integral part of my ADHD. Nobody needs to teach me, or anybody with ADHD for that matter, because it’s just completely untrue. I think that he is assuming people with ADHD can’t talk to themselves properly- that isn’t the problem, the problem is that talking to yourself does nothing for a neurological disorder. Arguably, people with ADHD have an overdeveloped mind’s eye and inner monologue.
This helps explain a lot. I wonder why as an intelligent person, I do (or don't do) the same things over and over again and keep expecting different results. It explains why my brain doesn't wake up until a deadline is imminent. It doesn't help that I had no consequences growing up. Who would do homework if your parent didn't notice or care?
I love Dr. Russell Barkely! This is the best resource I've found in the last year on ADD. The doctor talks of the history of this disorder which was first discovered in the 18th century and the mis-marketing. He speaks of the over-diagnosing and under-diagnosing of teen girls and women. This is a captivating presentation that stretches two hours, broken down into digestible shorter videos. I'm going to watch it now for a second time. According to the Dr. Barkley, ADD is "a failure to develop appropriate inhibition" that exhibits itself in a variety of ways. He talks with tremendous, respectful empathy about this neurogenic disability which runs high in families.
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He is completely and unequivocally wrong and has not a shred, a scintilla, whatsoever of empathy nor the paradigm shift in the beginning of the 1990's in affect regulation and the neurobiology of emotion (i.e. Developmental Neurosciences) nor for that matter polyvagal theory. He is an utter and complete fraud or at the very least a dangerous caricature of the very worst tendencies that greatly fuel the mass deceptive appeal and marketing of behavioral based intervention and psychotropics.
ADD is actually not a disorder. Only ADHD
@@src217 Well ADD and ADHD are the same thing so.
Thank goodness for this man, his research and expertise in ADHD. His ability to effectively disseminate and shine a light on the ‘seriousness’ of ADHD impairments and deficit of executive functions.😊
The subtitles are not good. Would love to get new ones.but what the good doctor says is so very important and true! Hug from ADHD child & his ADHD mom!
I feel like Im living in the moment because I am talking with myself and reasoning with myself/visualizing too much. But I completely understand the living in the moment thing.
Hello. I’m not sure if this is relevant to your comment, but in case it is, and/or in case you or anyone is confused (I personally was, at first), I hope this helps:
Even though it might be confusing and it _might_ incorrectly seem at times in this clip that he is suggesting that people with ADHD don’t have an internal monologue, in reality Dr. Barkley indicates or implies at several points (both in this clip and in other clips of the same talk) that people with ADHD *do* have an internal monologue/self-talk in their heads/“mind’s voice”, but that those with ADHD develop this internal monologue at a later point, compared to those without ADHD.
He says it in this very clip that you are watching right now, at 10:22 (linked here: th-cam.com/video/Illf_Hsy570/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OT3IOGXbiBTlfjxQ&start=622 ) when he says, “Those are the five executive abilities. We know where they are in the frontal lobe. We know that ADHD children have lost all five of them-- *actually that’s a bit of an overstatement: it's not that they don't have them, it's that they are quite delayed, and we will discuss the delay in a moment.* ” (notice how he corrected himself here.)
And he also implies it here (i.e., 6 minutes and 19 seconds into) this other clip of the same talk, th-cam.com/video/zmaA5zwNYQQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=415aehr3-2u8D16F&start=379 , when he says, “We know that cognitive therapy, which is teaching children to talk to themselves, fails for ADHD. We know why now: because the mind’s voice is not developing on time. And in order for talking to yourself to have any success, you must have a normally-developing internal speech, *and they don’t. At least not until adulthood* , and then some cognitive training does help as a supplement to medication. But, in childhood, cognitive training doesn’t help ADHD.”
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO DR. BARKLEY THANK YOU. 🙏
I am watching these videos now and I take off my hat, really understanding my (son and mine) ADHD.
What a great speaker. As someone with ADD, I do kind of wish there was a TL:DR synopsis. I've watched this one 3x. I'm going to refresh it and watch it again. I should probably take notes
I cannot tell you how much I needed this.
What an amazing man. Thank you to Russell Barkley for all the studies he has done and provided to us all with his knowledge. I have just bought the book 'taking charge of adult adhd' on audible. I am looking forward to listening to it and learning about myself.
Did you like it ?
THIS IS THE MOST INFORMATIVE AND AMAZING EDUCATIONAL SERIES OF VIDEOS ON ADHD AND SHOULD BE SHOWN TO TEACHERS - ALL TEACHERS. I wish when I was an elementary school teacher that I had know all of this information.
Thank you Dr. Barkley
This man understands adhd and autism better then anyone else I have seen on the internet Google should give it an extreme priority on its algorithm if it really wants to provide a service and not just go with popularity
I love listening to his lectures. Seriously he is an awesome lecturer
Thank you sir. It enlightens me to understand more my daughter and her condition.
Don't expect to understand the entire thing the first time. It's purpose is to heighten awareness to the issue and recommend solutions, you may pick up a book or listen to another lecture or this one over again. It sets you on a path toward learning
8:55 "So it doesn't matter what your goals are, you won't get there. Because self-motivation is required for all goal-directed action" - ouch, that one stings. It also explains most of my life, sadly.
Id like to see this guy have a conversation with Gabor Mate who believes most diseases are mostly environmental PTSD from an emotionally damaged sick western culture that sterilises our humanity and community values.
The mind's eye and voice really blew my mind I almost shed a tear. That makes so much sense when I was in school it was easier to have an audio book or Subtitles to something visual like a movie. Because I needed create an louder inner voice than my own. I would always get frustrated with reading because it always felt like it was flowing out of my brain as I read it (working memory too)
really confused at to what he meant there cause i have adhd and i'm CONSTANTLY (and i mean constantly!) talking to myself, in my head or out loud... but i'm almost 21 so maybe he was referring to kids only, idk. i don't remember how i was when i was a kid.
@@staytars I think he's talking about an inner dialogue in which you get resolutions and solutions. A healthy "conversation" that is not ramblings or random thoughts.
That's my perception and it feels accurate in my case - I suffer immensely with how much my brain is "talking" and how I can't stop it but those are thoughts I couldn't care less for. Anything useful, productive or healthy is not there. Or it might be but it's way too low for me to notice it.
It's awful how our brains can't go on and on and on but not really get anywhere. Many people can stop and think about needs, decisions, what should be done and that's it. We don't have a choice.
That's how I took it. Hence why I space out so much - I wouldn't if I could keep my brain "clear" and concise in thoughts.
@@staytars I was confused too, at first, but then I no longer was confused after I kept watching.
I hope this helps:
So, even though it might be confusing and it _might_ seem at times in this clip that he is suggesting otherwise, in reality Dr. Barkley indicates or implies at several points (both in this clip and in other clips of the same talk) that people with ADHD *do* have an internal monologue/self-talk in their heads/“mind’s voice”, but that those with ADHD develop this internal monologue at a later point, compared to those without ADHD.
He says it in this very clip that you are watching right now, at 10:22 (linked here: th-cam.com/video/Illf_Hsy570/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OT3IOGXbiBTlfjxQ&start=622 ) when he says, “Those are the five executive abilities. We know where they are in the frontal lobe. We know that ADHD children have lost all five of them-- *actually that’s a bit of an overstatement: it's not that they don't have them, it's that they are quite delayed, and we will discuss the delay in a moment.* ” (notice how he has corrected himself here)
And he also implies it here (i.e., 6 minutes and 19 seconds into) this other clip of the same talk, th-cam.com/video/zmaA5zwNYQQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=415aehr3-2u8D16F&start=379 , when he says, “We know that cognitive therapy, which is teaching children to talk to themselves, fails for ADHD. We know why now: because the mind’s voice is not developing on time. And in order for talking to yourself to have any success, you must have a normally-developing internal speech, *and they don’t. At least not until adulthood* , and then some cognitive training does help as a supplement to medication. But, in childhood, cognitive training doesn’t help ADHD.”
Listening to him while my screen tempts me with 49 open Google windows tabs. I'm also attempting to do work relate paperwork. Good thing for playback!
I've read books and other resources on ADHD, not as someone who struggles but my wife and my oldest son both have it. I'm trying to understand the disorder so I can help them and it's proving so difficult for me to grasp what I can tangibly do to help. This has been the best resource I've found so far and I'm hoping there are tangible takeaways and actions I can do to help. There's more, I think, to understanding the disorder vs knowing what to do to help people with ADHD succeed.
I am saving all these videos is so interesting and helps me understand my child so much better and I'll save them for him for when he is older loves these videos
The whole "minds eye, voice in your head" aspect is way way outside of my experience. I can think very visually, and my mind is constantly communicating thoughts and ideas to me
In case anyone is confused (I personally was, at first), I hope this helps:
Even though it might be confusing and it _might_ incorrectly seem at times in this clip that he is suggesting that people with ADHD don’t have an internal monologue, in reality Dr. Barkley indicates or implies at several points (both in this clip and in other clips of the same talk) that people with ADHD *do* have an internal monologue/self-talk in their heads/“mind’s voice”, but that those with ADHD develop this internal monologue at a later point, compared to those without ADHD.
He says it in this very clip that you are watching right now, at 10:22 (linked here: th-cam.com/video/Illf_Hsy570/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OT3IOGXbiBTlfjxQ&start=622 ) when he says, “Those are the five executive abilities. We know where they are in the frontal lobe. We know that ADHD children have lost all five of them-- *actually that’s a bit of an overstatement: it's not that they don't have them, it's that they are quite delayed, and we will discuss the delay in a moment.* ” (notice how he corrected himself here.)
And he also implies it here (i.e., 6 minutes and 19 seconds into) this other clip of the same talk, th-cam.com/video/zmaA5zwNYQQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=415aehr3-2u8D16F&start=379 , when he says, “We know that cognitive therapy, which is teaching children to talk to themselves, fails for ADHD. We know why now: because the mind’s voice is not developing on time. And in order for talking to yourself to have any success, you must have a normally-developing internal speech, *and they don’t. At least not until adulthood* , and then some cognitive training does help as a supplement to medication. But, in childhood, cognitive training doesn’t help ADHD.”
Thanks so much. Just got diagnosed. Scared, but hopeful
Literally story of my life, and I’m 34 recently diagnosed with adult ADHD… finally starting to understand why I struggle so much in life despite being smart and talented and with good education . How could my life be different if I knew this 10-15 yrs ago? Again…. So grateful this is available…. being in therapy for 10 yrs, on my 3rd talk therapist and 3 psychiatrist, not until recently my ADHD symptoms finally are being recognized, and even so, my therapist/psychiatrist never addressed anything said in this video….
100% relate to what you experienced. Except I’ve not had all the therapy
Like physicians, most become too wrapped up in what’s typical which reflects their generalized, unspecific treatments. This is partly due to burnout, complacency, etc. This is why “specialists” are important since, oddly, they’re simply those among the generalists who’re actually paying attention (Or at least their pay bump from a certification or prestige from a fellowship incentivized them to do so). Either way, look for someone who at least sounds like they’re dedicating themselves to specific focuses and have good reviews. It’s more difficult but worth the time to search.
Btw, how specifically have you learned to manage your ADD?
This has answered so many questions for me... :-(
As a direct contrast, and possible solution, there is the historical "thought magic" era of research that was conducted between the 1880s-1920s. William Walter Atkinson is one such voice that can assist in using the "adhd" visual-immediacy effect (much like the mentioned video-games, direct action -> immediate result) to sculpt with intent the habits of the mind.
I encourage anyone who this resonates with to investigate "Practical Mental Influence and Mental Fascination" (1908) as a starting point, the full audiobook is freely available and also on youtube.
watching the segment on self motivation and failure to do unrewarding work is really hitting home as Im watching this instead of working on a online course at work
Thank you for the excellent tips!
Wow, this motivates me to take ADHD medication.
I love this guy
Interesting. I have impairment on all the executive functions, except I'm good at problem solving. Maybe it's more frustration that way, since I can know the answer, but I don't follow through most of the time, unless it's something very urgent.
Problem Solving isn't an executive function. You can be smart and still have ADHD.
yeah that’s what i thought too. i guess he means planning and organizing a solution, as opposed to just thinking of the solution?
@@turnleftaticeland Yes I think it's writing out the solution rather than intuitively finding it! I'm exactly in this situation.
The point regarding the minds voice is particularly interesting. I don't remember when it started, but as an adult I have multiple minds voices. I thought, for a while, it was my minds voice being distracted but its not, its that there are multiple voices having multiple thoughts at the same time - most are just weaker than the main voice... Usually...
Well in case anyone is confused (I personally was, at first), I hope this helps:
Even though it might be confusing and it _might_ incorrectly seem at times in this clip that he is suggesting that people with ADHD don’t have an internal monologue, in reality Dr. Barkley indicates or implies at several points (both in this clip and in other clips of the same talk) that people with ADHD *do* have an internal monologue/self-talk in their heads/“mind’s voice”, but that those with ADHD develop this internal monologue at a later point, compared to those without ADHD.
He says it in this very clip that you are watching right now, at 10:22 (linked here: th-cam.com/video/Illf_Hsy570/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OT3IOGXbiBTlfjxQ&start=622 ) when he says, “Those are the five executive abilities. We know where they are in the frontal lobe. We know that ADHD children have lost all five of them-- *actually that’s a bit of an overstatement: it's not that they don't have them, it's that they are quite delayed, and we will discuss the delay in a moment.* ” (notice how he corrected himself here.)
And he also implies it here (i.e., 6 minutes and 19 seconds into) this other clip of the same talk, th-cam.com/video/zmaA5zwNYQQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=415aehr3-2u8D16F&start=379 , when he says, “We know that cognitive therapy, which is teaching children to talk to themselves, fails for ADHD. We know why now: because the mind’s voice is not developing on time. And in order for talking to yourself to have any success, you must have a normally-developing internal speech, *and they don’t. At least not until adulthood* , and then some cognitive training does help as a supplement to medication. But, in childhood, cognitive training doesn’t help ADHD.”
This could explain why I love taking pictures and journaling. To remember because i tend to forget. Not that I totally forget but not until it’s brought up again I remember.
The no consequence part hit home with me. The lack of minds voice was very interesting.
In case anyone is confused (I personally was, at first), I hope this helps:
Even though it might be confusing and it _might_ incorrectly seem at times in this clip that he is suggesting that people with ADHD don’t have an internal monologue, in reality Dr. Barkley indicates or implies at several points (both in this clip and in other clips of the same talk) that people with ADHD *do* have an internal monologue/self-talk in their heads/“mind’s voice”, but that those with ADHD develop this internal monologue at a later point, compared to those without ADHD.
He says it in this very clip that you are watching right now, at 10:22 (linked here: th-cam.com/video/Illf_Hsy570/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OT3IOGXbiBTlfjxQ&start=622 ) when he says, “Those are the five executive abilities. We know where they are in the frontal lobe. We know that ADHD children have lost all five of them-- *actually that’s a bit of an overstatement: it's not that they don't have them, it's that they are quite delayed, and we will discuss the delay in a moment.* ” (notice how he corrected himself here.)
And he also implies it here (i.e., 6 minutes and 19 seconds into) this other clip of the same talk, th-cam.com/video/zmaA5zwNYQQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=415aehr3-2u8D16F&start=379 , when he says, “We know that cognitive therapy, which is teaching children to talk to themselves, fails for ADHD. We know why now: because the mind’s voice is not developing on time. And in order for talking to yourself to have any success, you must have a normally-developing internal speech, *and they don’t. At least not until adulthood* , and then some cognitive training does help as a supplement to medication. But, in childhood, cognitive training doesn’t help ADHD.”
Just learn some people tell themselves what they should be doing and then they do it, I always thought we were all on this sort of automatic pilot setting, this is mind-blowing to say the least
I feel so much of this. My entire life I was able to skate by on just raw intelligence in emergency mode. My ability to work under extreme pressure is insanely big. I can cram massive amounts of information into my brain very quickly. I can bang out a npaper in an all nighter that would get me a B + or an A-.
So I was high making in school.
But now? Real world doesn't work like that. I need to be able to put in sustained work over an extended period. And I suck at it. I can't manage my time no matter how much I try.
And the negative self monologue is crippling.
I’ve never felt more like I could have written a comment myself until reading this-I was an excellent student but that was mostly down to memorization and a passion and voracious appetite for learning. I am in the deepest struggle of my life with this right now. Wishing you the best!
I talk to myself a lot and I think I do it to organise my thoughts, because without externalising a thought through sound or writing, it gets absorbed into the chaos of my mind and it's difficult to work things out or think effectively.
Hello. In case you or anyone is confused (I personally was, at first), I hope this helps:
Even though it might be confusing and it _might_ incorrectly seem at times in this clip that he is suggesting that people with ADHD don’t have an internal monologue, in reality Dr. Barkley indicates or implies at several points (both in this clip and in other clips of the same talk) that people with ADHD *do* have an internal monologue/self-talk in their heads/“mind’s voice”, but that those with ADHD develop this internal monologue at a later point, compared to those without ADHD.
He says it in this very clip that you are watching right now, at 10:22 (linked here: th-cam.com/video/Illf_Hsy570/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OT3IOGXbiBTlfjxQ&start=622 ) when he says, “Those are the five executive abilities. We know where they are in the frontal lobe. We know that ADHD children have lost all five of them-- *actually that’s a bit of an overstatement: it's not that they don't have them, it's that they are quite delayed, and we will discuss the delay in a moment.* ” (notice how he corrected himself here.)
And he also implies it here (i.e., 6 minutes and 19 seconds into) this other clip of the same talk, th-cam.com/video/zmaA5zwNYQQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=415aehr3-2u8D16F&start=379 , when he says, “We know that cognitive therapy, which is teaching children to talk to themselves, fails for ADHD. We know why now: because the mind’s voice is not developing on time. And in order for talking to yourself to have any success, you must have a normally-developing internal speech, *and they don’t. At least not until adulthood* , and then some cognitive training does help as a supplement to medication. But, in childhood, cognitive training doesn’t help ADHD.”
Spot on, except on the mind voice thing.
I do have it, sometimes it seems like a responsible adult too that tells me to do things and how to do them. I just CAN'T do what it says no matter what. It's like in the cartoons, the "angel" on the shoulder, but i can t listen to it, and it's not a choice.
There still hope. I know I knew all this instinctively but felt trapped. Drop-out from inner-city. Hell I sient 15 years as security guard.
My faith click in and I slowly accepted all the other aspects of ADHD “Edison gene” named my weakness yet focused on my strengths. Got those with strengths in area I was weak and formed team concept. Now Masters and lincensed and thriving profession because I saw ADHD as a blessing, my impulsive and creativity from executive functioning deficit makes me unique and now I bottled it
It's good to see The Architect keeping busy.
this videos are hitting hard
man this made me cry lol
but i definitely needed to hear this
great video!
Fantastic
Dude's spitting truth when it comes to my own childhood. I shall deep-dive down this rabbit hole.
Id like to see this guy have a conversation with Gabor Mate who believes most diseases are mostly environmental PTSD from an emotionally damaged sick western culture that sterilises our humanity and community values.
adhd brought me here and im stuggling hard to pay attention to this
Jake Davis he sounds like he's never talked to another human, certainly not someone with ADHD. he's only ever talked to researchers
I have ADHD, I understand him just fine. Then again I major in psychology so this really makes me hyperfocus uh I mean resort to perseverance on or off meds. It's quite delightful.
Listen while you're doing something mindless, that's how I get through it lol!
I cant tell if you are joking or not.
In some other videos I’ve watched of him speaking to other professionals, he talks waaaay to quickly for me to comprehend everything he’s describing. I also have slower processing time along with my ADHD. MY SOLUTION: change the playback speed of the video, and maybe turn on closed captioning! Right now, January 2020, TH-cam has either 3 dots or a cog icon in one of the corners of the video that indicate the settings menu. There you will be able to speed up the video or slow it down under “Playback Speed,” as well as turn on captioning. Hope it helps someone out there!
apparently neurotypical people have an internal voice like joe from the netflix series “you” all this time i thought they only did that in movies but no that’s actually how most people think
I have ADHD but I actually do have an inner voice like that. Its a lot worse though then normal peoples. I'm constantly talking to myself and imaginary people. Sometimes I can't focus on tasks cause my brain is being too chatty. A lot of times I start arguments with myself and end forgetting that they aren't real and then I get emotional over them. Its weird though because I 100% display every other symptom, just not a lack of an inner voice.
This describes my son to a T I have been refused further assessment by school and health services but I know this is how he suffers .. just wish I had more no how to help him through.
...(Sigh..) I HOPE (And Pray..)
That THE NAME /THE LETTERS
ARE *CHANGED*
TO (A MUCH BETTER)
SUMMARY *DESCRIPTION
OF WHAT THIS REALLY IS.
Thankyou Dr. Barkley
-for speaking up🌟
and teaching others About this
... for us =] 💜
I definitely have a voice in my head that's mine. Hindsight etc is a bit lacking though.
I was diagnosed 21 years ago. I miss how the explanation then was just I couldn’t focus. Now that I have a kid with it so much worse than I had it, and adhd gets worse as you age even with treatment, it’s all just really overwhelming and hopeless feeling sometimes 😔 it really really sucks how much effort it takes to just be normal
7:55 spoke to me on such a personal level. Video games do exactly that for me. Same with drawing. I'm an artist and my favorite tool is pen and ink, a medium that has immediate consequences with mistakes. I haven't been diagnosed, but people have questioned me if I have ADHD all my life. I want to get to get tested at some point.
I definitely have a mind's eye and voice. Its just that, its as hyper, when I was a child and now as the rest of the thoughts. So it gets pushed in the back ground at times
Hello! In case you or anyone is confused (I personally was, at first), I hope this helps:
Even though it might be confusing and it _might_ incorrectly seem at times in this clip that he is suggesting that people with ADHD don’t have an internal monologue, in reality Dr. Barkley indicates or implies at several points (both in this clip and in other clips of the same talk) that people with ADHD *do* have an internal monologue/self-talk in their heads/“mind’s voice”, but that those with ADHD develop this internal monologue at a later point, compared to those without ADHD.
He says it in this very clip that you are watching right now, at 10:22 (linked here: th-cam.com/video/Illf_Hsy570/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OT3IOGXbiBTlfjxQ&start=622 ) when he says, “Those are the five executive abilities. We know where they are in the frontal lobe. We know that ADHD children have lost all five of them-- *actually that’s a bit of an overstatement: it's not that they don't have them, it's that they are quite delayed, and we will discuss the delay in a moment.* ” (notice how he corrected himself here.)
And he also implies it here (i.e., 6 minutes and 19 seconds into) this other clip of the same talk, th-cam.com/video/zmaA5zwNYQQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=415aehr3-2u8D16F&start=379 , when he says, “We know that cognitive therapy, which is teaching children to talk to themselves, fails for ADHD. We know why now: because the mind’s voice is not developing on time. And in order for talking to yourself to have any success, you must have a normally-developing internal speech, *and they don’t. At least not until adulthood* , and then some cognitive training does help as a supplement to medication. But, in childhood, cognitive training doesn’t help ADHD.”
Good stuff.... but.... he reminds me of Vizzini- its inconceivable!
Does anyone have more videos on what they mean by hind sight? How does it differ to other people? Whenever they make a decision they have a voice in their head going through the past? And their brain does this automatically without having to really think about it?
A lot of my behavior is getting explained while watching this. I’ve never been tested for ADHD but...maybe I should be
same
"To refer to ADHD as "inattention" is to refer to autism as "hand flapping and speaking funny": they are the most obvious symptoms of a failure to develop the ability to relate to others as humans and that's what autism really is underneath, the rest of it is just the most superficial set of symptoms. So I would want my family to understand the profundity of these deficits because "inattention" hardly captures what is going wrong"
spot on
I agree with many things he speaks about. The bit about autism is factually incorrect, and incredibly ableist. Not one fellow autistic person I have met struggles to relate to others as humans. Not one. It's a very, very damaging misconception that's unfortunately still making the rounds.
Uhm i have a vivid imagination and i guess a normal internalization of either the visual and speaking thingy. But i'm also talking to myself A LOT. It sometimes feels a bit empty in my room if i'm not doing so.
It's like I have an immature tyrant in my head that chemically manipulates me into doing fun things by turning the boredom/intrest dials up to the extreme
If I'm not stimulated enough by something my brain will even start to flood my head with sleep hormones to make me involuntarily fall asleep.
I always thought it was weird that I would go to one class fine, go to the next one get busted drooling with my head in my hand, and then go back to fine again when things were interesting.
Have you ever been checked for narcolepsy? It is very often comorbid with ADHD.
@@nunyabiznes3901 no I haven't last time i tried to get a doctor to look into my sleep issues i got a lecture about sleep hygiene. I haven't had that problem much since ive gotten out of school anyway.
@@mtneves77 Of course. Sleep hygiene. 🙄 Ugh.
Like the Video but something does not add up.. can anyone explain?
According to a number of psychiatrists i have a severe case of ADHD. Yet i find overanalyze everything, if a smell the a burning pan or simular i already habe in my head which is it, what it costs, where to go and buy it at 5 different stores and imagine going there, there is also a pet shop, ow shit i forgot kittylitter, she cuddles like my girlfriend. and bridge after bridge after bridge.
But when something bad happens i cant stop pondering about all possible outcomes and routes the consequenses will hit me.
If this is a defence mechanism a ADHD kid develops i am not sure.
Because He say's that analytical skills are impossible in ADHD. I for one dont believe that. In an ADHD group for likebrained people.. i estimate about 70% of them working analytical jobs in IT.
Servicedesk, programming, troubleshooting. ( mostly all under stress and urgency).
Creative occupations.
So how does that explain that instantly thinking up multiple solutions and outcomes is not possible? because thats one of the traits most people i have met with ADHD if not all, have less trouble with than most neurotypical people.... problem is, we go overboard with it and overanalyse. to the point you burn out. My experience.
Razoorsharp Gaming You made great and I agree with your findings. I have the same problem, some people tell me that im " overthinking" but almost most of the time i find solutions to their problems.
Both of you are describing the symptom known as " stuck in set perseveration ", and it occurs in add
@@jrosner6123 add and ADHD are the same with the physical hyperactivity that differs.
Add and autism also share common treats as does aspergers. They are overlapping.
@@razoorsharp you are correct. And the perseveration is one of those common traits.
Pleas can you put the speakers title someone in the description. Thanks.
Is there a different type of focus/motivation problem? I learned to take an inventory or time-card approach to common and new activities because otherwise, I believe or guess/assume - projects I happen to like will take about 5 minutes and 5-minute tasks (that I hate) I honestly think will take much longer. A creative person who operates in a flow state with work projects but makes silly mistakes with routine maintenance/detail tasks; could that be a different problem or just a difference of degree?
I mean some auto-pilot is good. You don't want to have to think about skills like software usage or bike riding.
it's both nature and nurture. people with ADHD in well structured loving families do very much more well when compared to those raised in chaotic and frightening environments
Laurie Jean that really doesn't have to do with adhd
yeahh uhhh that can apply to everyone regardless of adhd or anything else sooo
True..a chaotic, stressful environment will cause extra problems
This is true with EVERYBODY. ADHD might make it worse, but really, it has nothing to do with it
Time blindedness helps me in my long haul truck driving especially if I am mentally engaged the thousands of miles fly as if on fast forward. It’s not all bad, okay.
Explains why I have struggled all my 67 years, what do I do now?