Traditional vs Trans: Are There More Than 2 Genders? | Middle Ground

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  • @toricollins6516
    @toricollins6516 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61437

    They should’ve included men on the traditional side, missing the male perspective on this leaves this unbalanced for me.

    • @kristoffersparegodt420
      @kristoffersparegodt420 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1627

      Totally agree

    • @coreyrush8894
      @coreyrush8894 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2567

      Tori Collins yes because honesty men will speak their mind more

    • @emekaamerican863
      @emekaamerican863 5 ปีที่แล้ว +478

      Tori Collins thanks for telling me, now I'm definitely not going to watch

    • @Re-io3wy
      @Re-io3wy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +220

      @@coreyrush8894 and we are not?

    • @coreyrush8894
      @coreyrush8894 5 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Reham _ I’m assuming that we means women?

  • @doorknobhandlebar
    @doorknobhandlebar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6846

    I get really pissed off when they change from their original seats.

    • @patrochilles6275
      @patrochilles6275 4 ปีที่แล้ว +428

      Or when they sit together rather than on their respective side

    • @averybrooks8537
      @averybrooks8537 4 ปีที่แล้ว +118

      Thank god someone said it.

    • @rohan34
      @rohan34 4 ปีที่แล้ว +161

      But that's the beauty.. they get mixed up by the end... Signifies them opening up

    • @badbunnysnovia9176
      @badbunnysnovia9176 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Hello Fellow Refugees it still don’t feel right

    • @0s0young75
      @0s0young75 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Facts 💯

  • @mare_dps
    @mare_dps 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10612

    the worst thing is listening to a conversation you cannot talk in..

    • @nia3555
      @nia3555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      Right

    • @sour.icecream2230
      @sour.icecream2230 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Ikr 😞

    • @gee1271
      @gee1271 3 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      Omg this! Like i would love to work on set, the amount of soundbytes i would give..unprofessional 😂

    • @daisymayxoxo
      @daisymayxoxo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exactly

    • @psketch
      @psketch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hahaha true!

  • @DancerUniversity
    @DancerUniversity 2 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Nailed it. Men being predators is the common thread on the bathroom debate

    • @misanthrophex
      @misanthrophex 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You are looking at it from a bad angle I think. It's not that men are predators, it's that many predators are male. You have to understand that this is a very important part, and it is true.
      Predators are repeat offenders. They are not receiving proper punishment IMO.
      Trust me, you would find that the majority of men would never act predatory. And we have the most insanely dangerous drug legal which causes so many problems in our society, but we've been brainwashed into thinking that alcohol is this innocent thing.
      Look around, it's mostly drunk people who do bad things. Meaning that the predatory behaviour would be even more concentrated to fewer individuals, if we had other options for people to ease their stress. Alcohol makes people do things that they would otherwise never do. It's same for any gender/sex as well.

    • @Tach-Naid
      @Tach-Naid หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah

    • @Zombiewizzzzzz
      @Zombiewizzzzzz 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That includes trans men, so doesn’t really nail anything.

  • @rohvela
    @rohvela 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30065

    By the way. If y’all didn’t know, transgender is not a 3rd gender

    • @thecabinetman9025
      @thecabinetman9025 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2012

      PERIODT👏👏👏👏👏

    • @rohvela
      @rohvela 4 ปีที่แล้ว +114

      Tessa Comfort I never said I disagreed with any of that so why r u going at me, I was making it clear because ppl in the comments were saying there’s only 2 genders and trans isn’t real

    • @parisgharbi1903
      @parisgharbi1903 4 ปีที่แล้ว +202

      @@rohvela tessa wasn't going at u, Tessa was replying to someone who commented under ur comment so thats why it seems Tessa is replying to u

    • @darianbazelais9634
      @darianbazelais9634 4 ปีที่แล้ว +519

      There’s only 2 genders trans is just hopping from one to another

    • @gageshort9801
      @gageshort9801 4 ปีที่แล้ว +281

      Excuse me I am heavily offended and you have offended my fellow tower brothers (Yes we identify as towers)

  • @anaescobar8746
    @anaescobar8746 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19403

    Doesn’t it frustrate you when you can’t interfeen into a conversation

    • @kobejordan8165
      @kobejordan8165 5 ปีที่แล้ว +269

      Ana Escobar so fuckin much

    • @karenruiz1799
      @karenruiz1799 5 ปีที่แล้ว +720

      Literally!!!! when homegirl was associating gender with DNA and chromosomes and being either “male or a woman” I just…. sigh.

    • @goodwilliam7
      @goodwilliam7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +333

      Intervene*
      not being an asshole just making sure its there because that sounds like something I would type.

    • @Smyle001
      @Smyle001 5 ปีที่แล้ว +375

      @@karenruiz1799 she was right tho

    • @karenruiz1799
      @karenruiz1799 5 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      @@Smyle001 nah.

  • @user-sk5sm7yc1v
    @user-sk5sm7yc1v 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7279

    People are actually mixing up having a masculine/feminine sense of style and gender-

    • @BrawlGenius
      @BrawlGenius 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      ikr

    • @persona7506
      @persona7506 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      There is no masculine or feminine sense of style

    • @ella673
      @ella673 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly.

    • @christopherreichle6670
      @christopherreichle6670 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      @@persona7506 yes there is. Masculine people dress practical, feminine people dress flamboyantly/impractically

    • @lian7092
      @lian7092 4 ปีที่แล้ว +109

      @@christopherreichle6670 no , i disagree , even feminine people dess practicall , you can be feminie in anything if you know how or are feminine enough

  • @BradAndLex
    @BradAndLex 2 ปีที่แล้ว +311

    I love these!! But I wish youtube didn't require so much self-censoring because I would've liked to see them get a little deeper. You could tell they were ready to as well.

    • @saszablaze1
      @saszablaze1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      what do you mean self censoring? who self censored?

  • @jayysus2726
    @jayysus2726 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8160

    before this video they should’ve went over the difference between gender expression, biological sex, and clothing preference :/

    • @beatrizpolak925
      @beatrizpolak925 3 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      and that was the comment that i was looking for. thank u! after this video it just popped in my head who sexual education is so important! I learned those concepts in school!!

    • @lieslct
      @lieslct 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      jayysus fr

    • @endcities
      @endcities 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      is your profile picture george with no brim i-
      this makes your comment even better

    • @jayysus2726
      @jayysus2726 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@endcities yesss george with no brim B)

    • @stratojagster7472
      @stratojagster7472 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      gender is the same as sex but now when you get into gender/sex roles those can be switched around and changed because those were set up by society but biology wasn't

  • @MaddiGirl16
    @MaddiGirl16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8704

    The Christian woman who comforted the trans woman when speaking about her father made me smile. This is how it’s supposed to be and especially for Christians. Regardless of what you think of someone else’s life choices, you are still meant to give love.

    • @abbyrichardson3497
      @abbyrichardson3497 4 ปีที่แล้ว +147

      Facts

    • @Krystieee
      @Krystieee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +405

      Most definitely as a Christian we suppose to do everything out of love just like Jesus did himself. Love the person not the sin, css we all sin and fall short of the glory of God we should not judge

    • @misharobinson1679
      @misharobinson1679 4 ปีที่แล้ว +137

      I don't understand why Christians think that being trans is against the bible

    • @joea8850
      @joea8850 4 ปีที่แล้ว +153

      @@misharobinson1679 in my christian belief God created us in the gender you were born with and full stop it's what it is. He still loves us and everyone but if you do want to be a christian the bible specifically says things that we were called to live and yeah. But maybe someone can share more scriptures if you'd like? For biblical reasons? 😊 but yeah in the end of the day we use the bible and try to be like jesus in our belief because he is the only way to heaven. 😊

    • @joea8850
      @joea8850 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@misharobinson1679 but it is in the bible. 👍👍

  • @aurorafish7900
    @aurorafish7900 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2035

    I feel like both sides had kind of weak arguments and were afraid of being judged or shot down by the other. Like both sides just kind of went with what the other said

    • @pnut3844able
      @pnut3844able 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      It's also bc Jubilee closely monitors what is said and tells them what they can't say and what ways they can't steer the convo.

    • @user-kc2xc8md1t
      @user-kc2xc8md1t 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      @marsjacobvolta mEn LOvE oBjEcTiVe TrUtH

    • @damianlord9340
      @damianlord9340 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@pnut3844able how do you even know that?

    • @damianlord9340
      @damianlord9340 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Well duh. No one wants to be the person that everyone hates. In almost every video there are thousands of comments of people complaining about at least one person who has a different stance on something. These people know that this will go online and they censor their true thoughts because of it.

    • @MiguelGonzalez-du8de
      @MiguelGonzalez-du8de 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@damianlord9340 The thing is that most of these persons who have different stances, are usually on the "wrong" side of thinking that it's just not acceptable. Like in the Men's Rights video, most people were mad at the incel because his views were simply misogynistic, while in the feminist vs non-feminist, many people were complaining about the rad fem that said women are the only victims and men don't know what is to suffer

  • @AWDTH1111
    @AWDTH1111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +233

    That’s how I feel as a dude. I actually love wearing feminine clothes like skirts and cute underwear and doing makeup and hair. But I know I’m a dude, I have a strong and passionate personality, love to take charge, be physically active and I’m still sexually attracted to women and have absolutely no desire to be in a woman’s bathroom. Unfortunately for me though, femboys are much more taboo than tomboys and there’s almost no way I can embrace these interests without being labeled trans or gay. People seem to think the two are inseparable but they’re really not. Gender norms and standards are really the problem.

    • @kinggkongg9694
      @kinggkongg9694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Genders not a social norm

    • @Baccheinn
      @Baccheinn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kinggkongg9694 gender is a social construct. You are confusing gender with sex. Sex is biological.

    • @kinggkongg9694
      @kinggkongg9694 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Baccheinn No it’s not Your confusing fantasy land with reality. You can’t change your gender anymore than you can change your age

    • @sophiejones304
      @sophiejones304 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You are just being you. In my opinion we are all in spectrum; even we are physically male or female, we all possess in a degree qualities, personalities and characteristics of both genders. I am a female, but growing up i was a tomboy, now that I am older I realized that I have a lot of male characters like being firm, frank, independent, practical and passionate. Physically I am naturally muscular, even though I exercise very little. I could have been confused, but I know I am a girl and only been attracted to men

    • @itlaire6873
      @itlaire6873 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stop that and go to the gym mf

  • @griffin6718
    @griffin6718 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3358

    Where tf is that one guy from incel episode that would’ve made this episode crazy lmao

    • @ulledienulle8211
      @ulledienulle8211 4 ปีที่แล้ว +494

      actually there aren't even 2 genders, since women are just the same as children - him propably

    • @kaylamedia6842
      @kaylamedia6842 4 ปีที่แล้ว +106

      derrick

    • @dannysilva3210
      @dannysilva3210 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      @@ulledienulle8211
      He did say that huh 😂. I forgot about that.

    • @raychulle
      @raychulle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@ulledienulle8211 omg i remember that AHAHA

    • @danasunbulli7436
      @danasunbulli7436 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Exactly why isn’t Derrick here

  • @supposedtobedoinghomework2217
    @supposedtobedoinghomework2217 5 ปีที่แล้ว +939

    8:35 “The underlying fear is that men are predators.”
    *creepy camera man in the background looming*

    • @saus5985
      @saus5985 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I believe he was shooting this documentary

    • @randomgurbling4293
      @randomgurbling4293 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      *camera stalking intestifies*

    • @jaym8808
      @jaym8808 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      🤣

    • @pimperish666
      @pimperish666 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Blaq Majesty this def not a documentary. Lol

    • @JosephTheDreamer
      @JosephTheDreamer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The red light is from his sniper

  • @jesslegati5973
    @jesslegati5973 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2452

    Man these topics are really risky and every time I click to watch a video I get really scared.

    • @ozzyb6595
      @ozzyb6595 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Jess Legati I've been waiting to see someone swing.

    • @abyxis
      @abyxis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Oswaldo Bejarano I’m surprised nobody has

    • @connoranderson3380
      @connoranderson3380 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My heartbeat died

    • @seanlynch2579
      @seanlynch2579 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Jess Legati that’s because you’re weak and pathetic

    • @Shaolin-Jesus
      @Shaolin-Jesus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      that's exactly why they should be had so we can realize that it's possible to have these conversationss without being hateful or unsympathetic to one another.

  • @HotTakeAndy
    @HotTakeAndy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    It’s wild seeing people get guilted/peer pressured into stepping forward when you can tell they didn’t initially intend to.

    • @sierramist446
      @sierramist446 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It might be better if they had to make the decision anonymously and then they just showed up with the others to discuss

  • @bemmabaissa4147
    @bemmabaissa4147 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35912

    Being a tomboy is way different than gender Identity

    • @etcchappy1221
      @etcchappy1221 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1797

      Girl thank you being a tomboy does not mean “ omg maybe I should’ve been a boy” no ok it just means you like things boys like

    • @abigml
      @abigml 4 ปีที่แล้ว +241

      gullippa9 ah yes because i’m a tomboy that means that i’m a man

    • @aurorasiye6205
      @aurorasiye6205 4 ปีที่แล้ว +907

      @@beee8720 I was a tomboy when I was a child. I hated skirts, never liked them. Felt itchy and unstylish on me. I wore shorts and long pants all the time, nothing pink. But I never wanted to be a boy. I just think boy clothing suits me better.

    • @gh0st469
      @gh0st469 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      facts

    • @squishypillow6673
      @squishypillow6673 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Periodt

  • @TheMaroonWalrus
    @TheMaroonWalrus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5936

    Damn, I feel like gender and sex both needed to be defined here. Also the lack of a traditional male I think hurt the conversation.

    • @irrelevance3859
      @irrelevance3859 5 ปีที่แล้ว +115

      It's the same thing

    • @drewsaluk6860
      @drewsaluk6860 5 ปีที่แล้ว +119

      There isn’t a difference

    • @Mark-sn6kh
      @Mark-sn6kh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +136

      Splitting the two is just creating some alternate reality. Someone could identify as the 9th planet, a green bean, or a horse by the rational of some of these people. It doesnt make it true regardless.

    • @drewsaluk6860
      @drewsaluk6860 5 ปีที่แล้ว +107

      Reinier Roon
      Let me say in advance, facts don’t care about ur feelings. Now, if u r born with XY chromosomes u r a male. That’s the only way to say it; ur sex/gender is male if ur born with those chromosomes. Same concept if ur born female with XX chromosomes. Gender and sex have always been the same thing and they’ve been defined/ determined by which chromosomes u r born with

    • @blackcrow3718
      @blackcrow3718 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@drewsaluk6860 i swear when did we get this confused tho wtf forreal.
      This some joke?

  • @ThoseTwooKidds
    @ThoseTwooKidds 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2595

    there's a difference between being tolerated and accepted.

    • @whitneygaston9377
      @whitneygaston9377 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Joyce Cruz Exactly! 👏🏾

    • @awkwardanya3135
      @awkwardanya3135 5 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      Or being accepted or being embraced.....

    • @Billy-gr1rx
      @Billy-gr1rx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +142

      it is not obligatory to accept, toleration is though.

    • @awkwardanya3135
      @awkwardanya3135 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Billy-gr1rx That's what I was saying.

    • @awkwardanya3135
      @awkwardanya3135 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jamal BBCLife What I mean.

  • @Rising_Pho3nix_23
    @Rising_Pho3nix_23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +291

    Such a respectful conversation. Even though some of the terms weren't quite accurate, still it was nice to see people on opposite sides still agreeing on most things.

    • @lopey5035
      @lopey5035 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry people can't keep up with the nonsense you people make up every single day

    • @designner5151
      @designner5151 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Accurate according to who exactly?

    • @KookoCraft
      @KookoCraft 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Goon

  • @amazingly_bookish
    @amazingly_bookish 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7583

    Kinda sad that we only see "traditional" women perspectives. Men wouldve been interesting as well.

    • @pandalover660
      @pandalover660 5 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      Anie To I think they get volunteers

    • @getoffmygrass4857
      @getoffmygrass4857 5 ปีที่แล้ว +426

      They dont want our opinions trust me that's what these freaks call manplaining.

    • @yeah6281
      @yeah6281 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I agreed

    • @rinad5915
      @rinad5915 5 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      @@getoffmygrass4857 mansplaining*

    • @remrushan
      @remrushan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      King Jinzo freaks? i think you’re the freak. also, do you live in 1925 by chance?

  • @caspertheghost5774
    @caspertheghost5774 4 ปีที่แล้ว +778

    another thing with gender-neutral bathrooms; society seems to always label the mother as the primary caregiver of the child and forget about the single parent fathers who have to take their little girl into the men's because they don't have a baby station as its apart of the woman's section. I remember this as a child as my parents were split and I spent half of the week with him.
    We don't live in the 50s! It's 2020.
    Not all men are the 'breadwinners' and not all women are housewives.

    • @natalier8403
      @natalier8403 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      I knoww I always think this, that's why they have restrooms now labelled as "family restrooms" for specific situations like these

    • @jadestone-production08
      @jadestone-production08 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Natalie Rodriguez not every place has a family bathroom, I know personally my local mall doesn’t have one.

    • @natalier8403
      @natalier8403 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@jadestone-production08 yeah I wish family bathrooms were a more common thing. I know they don't have them in many places here too. Off the top of my head I can only name target.

    • @baileymoore7779
      @baileymoore7779 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      This was a problem I had with my daughter when she was young.

    • @ronan1686
      @ronan1686 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      yeah i agree, and when a man takes a little girl in the shop or holds her hand they automatically assume hes a pedo instead of assuming hes a dad

  • @giannanana9812
    @giannanana9812 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2521

    What a comforting moment. The woman comforting the trans woman when she started talking about her father

    • @SuhannaDeSilva
      @SuhannaDeSilva 5 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      That made me tear up, you could hear how torn the trans woman was when talking about her father

    • @HRCS1986
      @HRCS1986 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Exactly! That made me cry a little bit

    • @batmanlikespizza2541
      @batmanlikespizza2541 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      scorpiogoddess we all need to be there for each other when able.

    • @vegadrums7
      @vegadrums7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      He*

    • @mattjsmith1005
      @mattjsmith1005 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      *his fathe

  • @JPEG_cat
    @JPEG_cat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +742

    If I say "I am a trans tomboy" (Which is true), the entire argument falls apart. Gender does not equal gender expression.

    • @whoknowsatthispoint7508
      @whoknowsatthispoint7508 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Im a trans boy, but I like wearing dresses sometimes. What now??

    • @Highwizardd
      @Highwizardd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      gender is only sex stereotypes that u internalized.

    • @anakinskywalker1886
      @anakinskywalker1886 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Gender identity is a 2000's thing, it was never a thing in the past

    • @Toastroony
      @Toastroony 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That’s confusing like you identify as female but ur a tomboy

    • @anakinskywalker1886
      @anakinskywalker1886 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@piggybank2906 Well yes it existed, but it was never any where NEAR as big a thing as it is today, which is why I lose faith in this generation that we have normalised it.

  • @noposguau1288
    @noposguau1288 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2404

    yo this discussion was so respectful! Shoutout to all of them, the world needs more dialogue like this !

    • @jrlisbltch6378
      @jrlisbltch6378 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      The student was really disrespectful

    • @appleseeds3602
      @appleseeds3602 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      mum if youre reading this im doing my homework how?

    • @maxmcdonald4227
      @maxmcdonald4227 5 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@jrlisbltch6378 how? she voiced her opinion with no hate or malice against the other side? she gave her honest opinion and you can't get mad someone for having a different opinion than you.

    • @ellawadbrook571
      @ellawadbrook571 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      mum if youre reading this im doing my homework yeah that’s what i thought. she was completely devaluing the other side’s identities

    • @jrlisbltch6378
      @jrlisbltch6378 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@maxmcdonald4227 she was always cutting in to other peoples talk and it felt like she didnt take into consideration the subjects veiws at all. Tbh it felt as if she was diggin at the other side personally

  • @lexi1678
    @lexi1678 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2633

    My brain hurts from binging on middle ground episodes

  • @alecowo785
    @alecowo785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4421

    "I didn't start transitioning until I was 32." Girl, you have a youthful glow I didn't think you were over 25

    • @Akira-rm8gc
      @Akira-rm8gc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +114

      @@sushmoyislam2858 no*

    • @amirimaxwell4814
      @amirimaxwell4814 4 ปีที่แล้ว +219

      honestly thought she was in her REALLY early 20's

    • @davidcamcho8335
      @davidcamcho8335 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Sushmoy Islam it’s a girl

    • @ringthebell5221
      @ringthebell5221 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ahhaahahahahahahajajahajaajjaajajahajajajahahajajahahahahahahahaha😂😂😂😂

    • @alecowo785
      @alecowo785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@ringthebell5221 ??

  • @nickmerrithew7427
    @nickmerrithew7427 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    love how supportive people were to all the perspectives and views shared : )

  • @emeliaz8358
    @emeliaz8358 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8408

    there’s a difference between being cisgender and being transphobic
    (edit: many people are taking this as me defending the cis people; i’m not, i’m saying the title is misleading since all the cis people in the video were transphobic, when in reality a large amount of cis people are trans allies)

    • @morganb9386
      @morganb9386 3 ปีที่แล้ว +127

      Yes

    • @alyiahshirley9421
      @alyiahshirley9421 3 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      This needs more likes

    • @syprineotieno1443
      @syprineotieno1443 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      💅💅💅♥️

    • @girlontheedge2636
      @girlontheedge2636 3 ปีที่แล้ว +175

      yes
      the cis people were just ignorant

    • @angrycactus158
      @angrycactus158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +103

      Also there a different between educated and trump supporters. (By trump supporters I mean people who do not care about being educated, having a conversation, anything they think they are right and that’s what it will be forever)

  • @pickle_watches_videos
    @pickle_watches_videos 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7133

    do they not know the difference between biological sex, gender expression, and clothing preference?

    • @kgabomolele3346
      @kgabomolele3346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +280

      To be fair, the words gender and sex have been used over the years synonymously so there isn't really a vast difference between the two because they are very interrelated, you can't have one without the other, so gender expression roots from sex anatomy that's why it's hard to seperate the two.

    • @Ariyferrari
      @Ariyferrari 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I feel like they need to bring back the gender-bread man it’s an easy way to break it down for the ppl who don’t understand

    • @synnearonsen9963
      @synnearonsen9963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      @@kgabomolele3346 that’s not true, gender is a made up social construct which sits in once brain and identity. Sex is biological and determines certain things as medical care.

    • @kgabomolele3346
      @kgabomolele3346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +140

      @@synnearonsen9963 everything single thing is a social construct, my point is that gender expression roots from sex, its what has inspired many societies worldwide to normalize certain gender roles for example toddler girls do less dangerous activities then toddler boys it's a fact you can do an experiment with nursery school babies and analyze their behavior, there is a nature (sex) that inspires gender expression that's why the two cannot be separated. So I'm not sure what you're confused about, there are two sexes only and this can be objectivsly verifiable

    • @kgabomolele3346
      @kgabomolele3346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @roxie thank you

  • @mercedesbroadway1293
    @mercedesbroadway1293 5 ปีที่แล้ว +628

    Labels can be dangerous, but they can also be helpful. I do not think we should get rid of labels altogether.

    • @randomuserwitharandomname6183
      @randomuserwitharandomname6183 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Your race, your religion, your ethinicity are all labels, of course we need them at some level, I didn't understand that woman's argument.

    • @KagedTyrant
      @KagedTyrant 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@randomuserwitharandomname6183 She has no clue what she is talking about.

    • @letsprayandfasttogether9618
      @letsprayandfasttogether9618 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Mercedes Broadway labels 🏷 identifies what your are. The only people who don’t want labels are people who don’t like what they are. I am a Christian. If someone comes and calls me a Christian I am not going to get mad.

    • @bd5867
      @bd5867 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea

    • @TuxedoMasc
      @TuxedoMasc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Am I the only one that believes gender and the way you present yourself physically and your interests aren't tied to together? I think this is what confuses a lot of people. Like the trans man in the video said - he was a little girl who wanted to shop only in the boys section. Okay, but does that mean you aren't a girl at all. Does that mean that women who dress traditionally masculine are actually men by that logic? Instead of, "I'm a boy who likes to wear pink and have long hair." It's suddenly, "I'm a boy who like girly things, so I must actually be a girl and need to become one so I can acceptably interact with these things." I think it's evident that these labels are dangerous for mental health.

  • @kyliegymnastics
    @kyliegymnastics ปีที่แล้ว +8

    happy= joyful
    calm= serenity
    Back in my day
    How you dress wasn’t your gender identity

  • @aunsmith4048
    @aunsmith4048 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4261

    "When a girl is raised and she feels like a tomboy, acts like a tomboy, she is now encouraged to think, 'maybe I should've been born a boy.'" sis i would never wear skirts when i was little for the sake of being tomboyish and i can tell you with 100% certainty that i am definitely a cisgender woman

    • @JanderStrahd
      @JanderStrahd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      I love how you correctly did the nested quotation (just put the end in the wrong spot), but didn't capitalize or punctuate your response. lol

    • @lexipoo8886
      @lexipoo8886 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      me too!

    • @anamikaroy5758
      @anamikaroy5758 4 ปีที่แล้ว +184

      Could not even understand what are you trying to say

    • @amayaboop2408
      @amayaboop2408 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Same! When she said that I was just like nahhhh

    • @usernamesarehard1475
      @usernamesarehard1475 4 ปีที่แล้ว +149

      I get what she's saying though. I've definitely met a lot of women who act like a tomboy and think they're a boy because they don't act, "feminine." But then they quickly change their mind about being trans soon after.

  • @SWLinPHX
    @SWLinPHX 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2476

    They needed to have a football-watching, beer-belching frat boy here.

    • @preston10248
      @preston10248 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      SWLinPHX i feel like we need one of them in all of these

    • @beansontoast1759
      @beansontoast1759 4 ปีที่แล้ว +104

      flashback mary Hunter🇺🇸🍺🦅🎣 is typing...

    • @idontevenusethisaccount6779
      @idontevenusethisaccount6779 4 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      Rodger🇺🇸🦅🎣🍻🍺🥩🦌🐕🏈🔫🎆 is typing...

    • @range7689
      @range7689 4 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      Connor 🧒👧🧒👧🧒👧🔫🔫🔫 is typing...

    • @naomi.s1799
      @naomi.s1799 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @flashback mary HAHA literally the first person I thought of

  • @Fastwalker27
    @Fastwalker27 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5783

    If there was at least one straight man , this would be entirely different

    • @noahd.4551
      @noahd.4551 5 ปีที่แล้ว +188

      Salim Sadoune I cant tell if your trying to say straight men are more transphobic or something or if your comment is accidentally sarcastic.

    • @m_winewood
      @m_winewood 4 ปีที่แล้ว +225

      @@noahd.4551 I think its that a guy would ask the uncomfortable questions we came here for. And not "transphobic" just less likely to accept the messy stuff without sufficient explanation.

    • @FR-eu3ch
      @FR-eu3ch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      @i wonder if you're reading this I'm sorry that that's your experience, I've actually found men to often be a lot more open-minded and kind than how you're describing them to be.

    • @hoodievids9791
      @hoodievids9791 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      There is a different because strait and “traditional”

    • @thegumonsomeshoe
      @thegumonsomeshoe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      straight, heterosexual, that's different from being"traditional" or "cis"...

  • @Issaydee
    @Issaydee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Transgender vs Transracial now that's a topic I'd love to see

    • @zachman5150
      @zachman5150 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Transformers v transgenders would be fun too

    • @sbm9190
      @sbm9190 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zachman5150 haha

  • @caitlinb7669
    @caitlinb7669 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20606

    Parents of LGBT+ kids vs traditional parents

    • @jamesbarden4790
      @jamesbarden4790 5 ปีที่แล้ว +639

      Caitlin B or supportive parents of trans kids vs unsupportive parents of trans kids (or lgbt kids in general)

    • @SSPERFORMANCEHORSE
      @SSPERFORMANCEHORSE 5 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      I was just going to write this...geesh. Lol

    • @0ut.the.0x
      @0ut.the.0x 5 ปีที่แล้ว +130

      Or Supportive Parents vs Traditional Parents, cause traditional parents may have lgbt kids

    • @rachelsmet2532
      @rachelsmet2532 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yeeees

    • @tessaberner4757
      @tessaberner4757 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Jesss!

  • @leophillips
    @leophillips 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3706

    Why only women representing "traditional"

    • @xnet_cascade6257
      @xnet_cascade6257 5 ปีที่แล้ว +541

      Leo Phillips cuz when a guy does it he’s labeled as sexist

    • @marylawrence2218
      @marylawrence2218 5 ปีที่แล้ว +115

      @@xnet_cascade6257 Nah the women are sexist too

    • @eldangster1616
      @eldangster1616 5 ปีที่แล้ว +96

      FORREST GUMP she called men predators. I’ve never met one predator guy in my life and I’m a guy and I’m not a predator! WTF Logic

    • @marylawrence2218
      @marylawrence2218 5 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      @@eldangster1616 lmao you've never met some predatory men in your life and your guy?
      Shocking lol
      Also Logic is knowing anecdotes aren't evidence
      also, she didn't say that men were predators. She said that the fear that people are expressing is that men are predators

    • @marylawrence2218
      @marylawrence2218 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @FORREST GUMP Pst they are. Reducing women and men to reproductive function is gross.

  • @kelychatz9485
    @kelychatz9485 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4932

    "there are only two genders"
    cis girls: *sit down*
    rory: baby i'm not even here

    • @JayAKATheOzianPress
      @JayAKATheOzianPress 4 ปีที่แล้ว +356

      IM A HALLUCINATION

    • @fawnxx.9231
      @fawnxx.9231 4 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      they’re non binary tho? it’s not a gender...

    • @JayAKATheOzianPress
      @JayAKATheOzianPress 4 ปีที่แล้ว +179

      @@fawnxx.9231 It is a gender tho

    • @fawnxx.9231
      @fawnxx.9231 4 ปีที่แล้ว +168

      @@JayAKATheOzianPress no.. the entire point of being non binary is not falling into gender roles/rules or perception. it’s literally just not identifying with anything which doesn’t make it a gender.

    • @kelychatz9485
      @kelychatz9485 4 ปีที่แล้ว +122

      @@fawnxx.9231 the whole point is that gender is a spectrum. if you don't see non binary as a gender then male and female aren't genders either. if you see non binary as a gender then there are multiple genders. non binary is not a BINARY gender and it most certainly IS NOT the third gender, as many people call it, but if you tell an enby what their gender is, they won't tell you "i don't have one" they'll tell you '"i am nonbinary"

  • @TheKewlPerson
    @TheKewlPerson ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was surprisingly respectful and at the end of the day shows both sides are more similar than we think and it's mostly only misinformation about the other side's desires that drives us back

  • @homoerectus1119
    @homoerectus1119 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4421

    People often confuse genders with personalities.

    • @kambur1737
      @kambur1737 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Could you please explain me the difference?

    • @homoerectus1119
      @homoerectus1119 4 ปีที่แล้ว +195

      Your personality is how you act and how you feel about different things or actions. Your gender is associated with reproduction. There are four genders. The two main genders (male and female) are normal. But there can be a mutation that can give you both male and female parts, or no male or female parts at all. No offence to anybody but “genders” like trans, fluid, gay and spirited are not real genders and are associated with how you feel about yourself and other people.

    • @sgs6991
      @sgs6991 4 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      Gay is not a gender. It's an orientation. Gay man identify as man but they are attracted to men.
      But I can agree gender it's not an entire personality on its own, because you're way more than your part of the spectrum or your expression... Just like, (maybe a bad example) if you're vegan that's ok, that's part of who you are/want to be, but being the "stereotypical vegan" all the time is not your whole personality, you're a unique human being not only based on one characteristic.
      Edit: grammar mistakes

    • @casseya9452
      @casseya9452 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      you’re confusing gender and sex

    • @guillemvidal1958
      @guillemvidal1958 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      exaactly because we all know gender is umm what you sortaa... you know feel somehow, that's right.

  • @fireworks_6549
    @fireworks_6549 5 ปีที่แล้ว +616

    I love how every time people meet to discuss on their opinions that completely clash, they are respectful about each others opinion and they genuinely try to listen to each other and understand where the opposing team is coming from. It honestly sets a good example on how people out hear should approach things. I LOVE JUBILEE.

    • @Hanawiess
      @Hanawiess 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Fireworks _ we love respectful people

    • @isabellaa3633
      @isabellaa3633 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same it’s great to see that they never really fight-everyone is very open minded, yet still share their opinions

    • @akirahayama2653
      @akirahayama2653 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yep. Only when people are on the internet and hiding behind a screen do they act completely disrespectful/hateful about others opinions.

  • @hasheeshiann
    @hasheeshiann 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15648

    Playin it reeeal safe with no straight guys...

    • @B4d4pp13
      @B4d4pp13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +809

      Couldn't agree with you anymore

    • @Mark-sn6kh
      @Mark-sn6kh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +623

      @taЊa N. That how you feel about something doesnt matter because science. Facts over feelings.
      Until I see "attack helicopter" as a gender anyway.

    • @ggoddf5889
      @ggoddf5889 5 ปีที่แล้ว +378

      @taЊa N. he means that there are no straight males in the conversation. Therefore there is no balance to thoss arguments

    • @ggoddf5889
      @ggoddf5889 5 ปีที่แล้ว +314

      @Big Hero B we mean biological males

    • @emilioa008
      @emilioa008 5 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      true dude like wtf bring some guys on

  • @chadborecky5908
    @chadborecky5908 2 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    I would love to see a bi sexual vs pan sexual discussion and seeing where people see the difference and the similarities people see in there sister sexualities

    • @sanidhay4841
      @sanidhay4841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      There's not any discussion to do tho. Its very clear that Bi and Pan people validate each other's labels

    • @catisreckless4647
      @catisreckless4647 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      One is real, one is made up idiocy. Discussion over.

    • @DarkAngel2512
      @DarkAngel2512 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@catisreckless4647 pan means you would fancy male, female or trans.

    • @catisreckless4647
      @catisreckless4647 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@DarkAngel2512 Pan means you desperately seek attention and feel the need to "stand out". Nothing more.

    • @sanidhay4841
      @sanidhay4841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@DarkAngel2512 Bi means that as well, there is no difference except the words

  • @thicpancakes
    @thicpancakes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6374

    When the trans-woman said “I didn’t start transitioning until I was 32”, I got extremely confused bc I thought she was like 25😂

    • @yorrieminks4635
      @yorrieminks4635 5 ปีที่แล้ว +415

      Same she looks so young

    •  5 ปีที่แล้ว +127

      Yorrie Minks he*

    • @yorrieminks4635
      @yorrieminks4635 5 ปีที่แล้ว +589

      Thanos forgot about s there bud. It’s she

    • @maxkemsley6931
      @maxkemsley6931 5 ปีที่แล้ว +493

      @ Intentionally deriding someone is a pretty shitty thing to do and I think you ought to reconsider how much calling someone 'he' really means to you before making snide remarks next time. It's not your life, don't live it for them, bud.

    • @petersoncarvalho5817
      @petersoncarvalho5817 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yay my wig went AWAY!

  • @samanthaphilipps7041
    @samanthaphilipps7041 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1190

    Out of all of these types of videos, I think this one had the most respectful individuals.

    • @rezgaid622
      @rezgaid622 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Agree. I enjoyed the conversation.

    • @melis5761
      @melis5761 5 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Hell no. The traditional girl with the dark straight hair was really disrespectful and acted like her opinion were facts. But she was really wrong.

    • @larrystalinski69
      @larrystalinski69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Samantha Salazar except the fitness enthusiast vs body positive people

    • @fernandjosiaslaurencioguzm5699
      @fernandjosiaslaurencioguzm5699 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Samantha Salazar that’s a fact

    • @tiffanycampbell2851
      @tiffanycampbell2851 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The interview with cosmetic surgery was pretty respectful

  • @cerisemin
    @cerisemin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6826

    I was a tomboy as a kid, I hated looking feminine, hated the color pink , hated all the girly things. Now that I’m older I love pink, I love wearing dresses, and doing all the feminine or girly things. The difference is that I never felt like a boy or male.
    I think it’s hard for some of these people to realize that you can feel masculine or feminine and not have that effect how you feel about your gender. Saying that you grew out of being a tomboy is not really compatible with a trans person’s experience

    • @Ali_J-eno
      @Ali_J-eno 3 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      Couldn’t have said it better ✨❤️

    • @mirawenya
      @mirawenya 3 ปีที่แล้ว +201

      Yeah, I hated playing with dolls, hated playing “family”, preferred cars and legos, but never ever did I feel like I was a boy. I’ve always felt like a girl. I don’t understand how people can’t grasp that there’s something different going on in someone that is transgender...

    • @ky9530
      @ky9530 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      @@mirawenya no cuz it’s society’s fault a color or the type of toy u play with shouldn’t dictate ur gender.

    • @texasjoehotdog1838
      @texasjoehotdog1838 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      But how do you feel like a boy or a male anyways?

    • @mirawenya
      @mirawenya 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      TexasJoeHotdog the same way I as a girl feel like a girl. It’s just a feeling deep down.

  • @MooMoo-me9ff
    @MooMoo-me9ff 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The woman in the yellow was so compassionate! Made me tear up

  • @tatathebutterfly
    @tatathebutterfly 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3286

    I feel like the traditional side held back a bit and was worried about being pc.

    • @kujikawathemeekmage3640
      @kujikawathemeekmage3640 5 ปีที่แล้ว +190

      Aiesha Mumford - because they weren’t educated on the situation at all

    • @kujikawathemeekmage3640
      @kujikawathemeekmage3640 5 ปีที่แล้ว +131

      pAtRiCk StAr - I can tell by your comment you don’t know much about it either

    • @themarkyboi3185
      @themarkyboi3185 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Bruh At least they weren't males or else I would sexist

    • @AnkBert
      @AnkBert 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @pAtRiCk StAr Let me just ask you, how can you be so sure of something that you can't relate to, or have researched? I'm non-binary myself and while I might not know the specific science (even though I could easily turn to a psychiatrist or a study to know more) I know that I'm non-binary because I'm not a guy, and I'm not a girl. I get euphoria when someone calls me they and I get anxiety when someone misgenders me a lot. I can understand how you think since people have for ages thought that your biological sex in every case is connected to the gender in your brain but gender dysphoria is real. It's a diagnosis and the only thing that can relieve the symptoms is to transition. You see being transgender isn't just about "today I feel like a girl" or "Today I feel like a boy" because to be transgender and not just someone who likes to dress as the opposite sex, you have to experience gender dysphoria.

    • @ylil-uz9le
      @ylil-uz9le 5 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      @@kujikawathemeekmage3640 I can tell that because you didn't answer patrick star with any evidence that you CLEARLY aren't educated on the subject what so ever, your just as clueless as any trans person.

  • @shaebetances
    @shaebetances 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2154

    “But I didn’t wanna lose my dad” that’s so heartbreaking.

    • @youtubeaccount0x073
      @youtubeaccount0x073 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Shae Mango so he thinks losing his dad is painful... wait for the hereafter. If stays like this may god judge him and throw him in the hell fire. He is a transgressor.

    • @RexDolo
      @RexDolo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      SNKRhead Games are you trolling ?

    • @youtubeaccount0x073
      @youtubeaccount0x073 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Chris Rudolph Jr trolling? You think it’s a lie? Read the Quran

    • @RexDolo
      @RexDolo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      SNKRhead Games it doesn’t matter if it’s a lie , anything that spreads hate and needless conformity is a detriment to society

    • @adeleyefatokimi9226
      @adeleyefatokimi9226 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@youtubeaccount0x073 The quran? That was the best fictional story I've ever read.

  • @nikijpeg
    @nikijpeg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11884

    I LOVE when they say that the bathroom issue sounds like less of a concern about trans folk and more of a concern about predatory men… YES!!!

    • @johncraze3003
      @johncraze3003 3 ปีที่แล้ว +181

      I hate when replies are cancer

    • @un3xxy343
      @un3xxy343 3 ปีที่แล้ว +470

      Well trans people are human too are you saying that trans people arent gonna commit crimes?

    • @chey3179
      @chey3179 3 ปีที่แล้ว +353

      @@un3xxy343 yea, but peoppe only blame trans people for bathroom incidents instead of the actual predators

    • @un3xxy343
      @un3xxy343 3 ปีที่แล้ว +284

      @@chey3179 because its the best excuse to do it. Its a an valid argument to say that allowing biological males to change their gender so easy to be dangerous. Not only for bathrooms but for sports as well.

    • @chey3179
      @chey3179 3 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      @@un3xxy343 And as for the transgender women and men don't belong in the opposite bathroom, saying that transwomen are all predators is just sexist. Worry about the boys who are actually doing the harm over harmless women just wanting to pee. I find it more creepy that people care so much about what's in someone's pants when the go pee. And you act as if cisgender women cannot rape other women in bathrooms, or attack them.

  • @MiaCash
    @MiaCash 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I love how mature this conversation was.

  • @a_lil_bit_shady
    @a_lil_bit_shady 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6649

    The fact that nobody brought up how sex and gender is different confused me

    • @fluttershysdragrace
      @fluttershysdragrace 3 ปีที่แล้ว +316

      ikr like the fact that they couldn’t distinguish that difference essentially invalidates the majority of their opinions.

    • @a_lil_bit_shady
      @a_lil_bit_shady 3 ปีที่แล้ว +227

      Even the trans people didn't bring it up, like wut?

    • @x4kua
      @x4kua 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      literally and the difference between clothing preference

    • @pao8801
      @pao8801 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      IKR

    • @0Takethoserisks0
      @0Takethoserisks0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Bc they aren’t

  • @changeDAmange
    @changeDAmange 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3232

    Upset they didn’t talk about gender dysphoria

    • @MysteriousBeingOfLight
      @MysteriousBeingOfLight 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      yeah but thats a tuff one lmao

    • @guynotincognito6918
      @guynotincognito6918 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      And also no one cares

    • @sarmaangel
      @sarmaangel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +168

      @@guynotincognito6918 um, I'm sorry, what??????

    • @Robins_tea
      @Robins_tea 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yeah I really wish they would've done that

    • @mellowmorningsasmr3770
      @mellowmorningsasmr3770 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      mercc they didn’t specifically talk about it
      But being trans is gender dysphoria and they had 2 trans ppl there

  • @jfrazier3310
    @jfrazier3310 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5386

    This video got messed up because no one actually made the distinction between sex and gender.

    • @alejandravictoriacoda122
      @alejandravictoriacoda122 5 ปีที่แล้ว +233

      that's what i was gonna say. the cis were definitely talking about sex while gender in a whole different world. you can definitely be born a female, embrace it but still act androginous.

    • @mariaeduardaantoninodantas3485
      @mariaeduardaantoninodantas3485 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      YES!

    • @ObsidianAngiris
      @ObsidianAngiris 5 ปีที่แล้ว +128

      Jurnee Jurn it's the same thing, like man and male

    • @makuletreg15
      @makuletreg15 5 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      Lol. Same thing

    • @VileCarnival
      @VileCarnival 5 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Mason Officially gender and sex are actually not the same thing. if they were, transgender people wouldn’t exist, yknow?

  • @Ebie_
    @Ebie_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    I think that this is the most heart warming, and non-toxic episode of Middle Ground I have ever seen- And I am all for it- Like- For once I was actually pretty happy with the side I don't really agree with.

    • @Ebie_
      @Ebie_ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ...Okay...@@PwandaWanda

    • @PwandaWanda
      @PwandaWanda 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Ebie_ sorry lmao I was trying to see if my comment would send before because it didn’t let me comment on any video

  • @chocolatecake5131
    @chocolatecake5131 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6275

    omg the trans woman looked so sad when they said she was a 100% male :(

    • @mi_days4384
      @mi_days4384 3 ปีที่แล้ว +544

      yeah but at the same time... is it really a healthy and stable way to live than having your entire sense of self depending on thoughts and words of others...? One's existence should not dependent on how other perceive them. Although i can understand it hurts for her, but i think it gives rise to an important and interesting subject in the transgender community.

    • @sircabooci4506
      @sircabooci4506 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @A M. i can't like this more because the like button does not allow me

    • @bigc198387
      @bigc198387 3 ปีที่แล้ว +127

      He

    • @daria8950
      @daria8950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @A M. Absolutely agree with everything you said!!!

    • @jsuisunarc-en-ciel3119
      @jsuisunarc-en-ciel3119 3 ปีที่แล้ว +140

      @@mi_days4384 Yes, I often say the trans community has a recipe for low self worth on their hands because they seek the validation of others which is something in life we should never do. Self love teaches you to seek validation from within. But trans people live for “you are so valid 🥰” comments, and constant affirmation through other means. It’s a very unstable situation when your whole identity relies on the validation you receive from the general public. I don’t mean this in a hateful way, it’s just something I’ve noticed.

  • @fritonduo5283
    @fritonduo5283 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2677

    *Speaker* : There are only 2 genders?
    *Me* : This Gonna be GoOoood

    • @saintmichaelsmorningstar6451
      @saintmichaelsmorningstar6451 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      FritOnDuo GMC 😂

    • @menkok3730
      @menkok3730 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Omg, this was just an anxiety trip. Haha

    • @ericx6969
      @ericx6969 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      here we go again

    • @sashyxx1855
      @sashyxx1855 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      literallyyyyy. personally i do think that there are only 2 genders and you can be a male trans into a female or the other way around but it’s either a male or a female

    • @thenotsopro893
      @thenotsopro893 5 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      There are only two genders imo

  • @gelpens750
    @gelpens750 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1808

    "I didn't want to lose my dad."
    That hit so hard...

    • @lvl3with100m
      @lvl3with100m 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Forrealll. Poor thing.

    • @senorpoole3988
      @senorpoole3988 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Now think about the reverse. A son or daughter who’s mom or dad is going to transition. Imagine how hard that would be.

    • @hira2357
      @hira2357 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@senorpoole3988 OK BOOMER

    • @hamnchee
      @hamnchee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hira2357 That kid's like 16..

    • @benissocoolike
      @benissocoolike 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      For many of the trans people I know losing connection to their parents is the hardest part of the process. It's heartbreaking

  • @jennlead8534
    @jennlead8534 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I don’t care how the adult feels in this, the bathroom situation. The childs feelings and safety comes first

    • @GrahamChapman
      @GrahamChapman ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The children's feelings on the matter will range from neutral to positive if they are raised in a safe environment to feel comfortable with having other people around in public bathrooms, and their safety is not compromised by trans people being allowed into the bathrooms that conform to their gender identity: Trans people being banned from bathrooms has never prevented men from either raping women or sexually assaulting children.

    • @zachman5150
      @zachman5150 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GrahamChapman Kick Rocks Groomer. Only 2 genders-- Male and Female. Your imagination, and subjective sense of self doesn't invalidate objective reality. If it did, everyone would be rich, happy and healthy too.
      Objective biological realities are not up for debate.
      If the validity of your identity is predicated on the notion that all of society must ignore objective biological realities, then your identity is not valid. Straight up... It's as simple as that.
      Intersex is a disorder, not another sex invalidating the dichotomy of the binary of all mammalian species, and they only EVER present with male and female genitalia.
      Gender refers to the sex assigned at birth, and the social aspects of being male or female, respectively. Male and female are biological categories, which are fixed and permanent.
      TOO Many people are inappropriately conflating the variability of personality traits and temperament (Neither of which is gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys) with gender as though they're synonymous, and they are not

  • @mmunoz2101
    @mmunoz2101 5 ปีที่แล้ว +247

    Before the comments get too heated, I just want to applaud Jubilee and the participants of this video for never shying away from the conversations that need to happen in our society!

  • @Snookered4568
    @Snookered4568 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2013

    I wish they would've talked about gender dysphoria and gone more in depth about it

    • @StarXie0218
      @StarXie0218 5 ปีที่แล้ว +130

      Dylan you are absolutely right. The traditionalist needed to understand how much of a choice it really isn’t to hate your own body.

    • @artfitz3357
      @artfitz3357 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Preach

    • @swerzye4472
      @swerzye4472 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Madison Stites that wasn’t their point. Their point is that there is only two genders biologically speaking.

    • @Imsemble
      @Imsemble 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I'm on the traditional side and I agree with you 100%. It's the core of the issue and they didn't even discuss it.

    • @Snookered4568
      @Snookered4568 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      DannyDaDuffyDucking Daffer ok but dysphoria is literally what makes someone trans. it’s important to discuss and talk about it

  • @yanuelgarcia4566
    @yanuelgarcia4566 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1210

    i’m so upset they didn’t touch the “sex and gender” topic.

    • @Bryan-xu9qn
      @Bryan-xu9qn 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Yanuel Garcia what are they going to talk about born a man you die a man. Born a female die one

    • @flastyy_
      @flastyy_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Bryan-xu9qn Not always.

    • @flastyy_
      @flastyy_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@rawbubbles7738 The fact that a lot of people confuse the two, when there's a clear difference. (Sex is biological, Gender is a social construct, so it's psychological.)

    • @rawbubbles7738
      @rawbubbles7738 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Benbil oh ok I never understood that ty , now I understand

    • @angelbettencourt1110
      @angelbettencourt1110 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@flastyy_ technically they're both biological, but sex is external which involves reproductive system, anatomical differences, chromosomes, etc. But gender is biologically internal and it's innate in the brain.

  • @embearry
    @embearry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    3:30 the issue with that is then you have kids that are confused and sometimes become su1cidal because they don't have that label so they just feel wrong. like they're being a girl/boy wrong

    • @zachman5150
      @zachman5150 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, people with emotional disorders are often confused and distraught.

    • @Swede1523
      @Swede1523 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cis people commit fewer suicides then trans people

    • @zachman5150
      @zachman5150 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Swede1523 By a LOT Less

  • @katxjane
    @katxjane 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3241

    “A male is the provider” tell that to my mother who was the primary income for my family because my father is disabled and could no longer work. My mother is also disabled but is still able to work and drive unlike my father.

    • @edsonmendes2202
      @edsonmendes2202 4 ปีที่แล้ว +147

      that has almost nothing to do with what she said...

    • @Harry-db2ld
      @Harry-db2ld 4 ปีที่แล้ว +139

      I get what you're trying to say but she said "usually", so she doesn't mean men are always the provider.

    • @LM-ix7pk
      @LM-ix7pk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      In a traditional sense, males are typically the providers while females are the caregivers. Of course, these roles are societal so they differ

    • @livingdeadgirl5360
      @livingdeadgirl5360 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @weed soup Lots of families have single parent or not parents

    • @_iustin_n8960
      @_iustin_n8960 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      In nowdays families the man and the woman are equal but mainly is still based on the traditional family. I know that is frustrating for a lot of feminist and some girls but boys arent all bad and violent we just can handle a little more emotionally and phisically. I know that a lot of women are doing hard things like even born a kid is a hard thing like i ve heard that there is a lot of pain and i respect that and single women that are raising kids that is a respectable thing and i am not saying that i dont belive in equality i am just saying that man are a lot simple and can handle more things day by day and this is why the traditional family is built like that.

  • @PutingPinoy
    @PutingPinoy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +464

    Though I am a straight male, I could very deeply relate to that vulnerability that the Trans-Woman brought up _about being scared to lose something you love because of your choices and/or how you identify._ I felt that so intensely when I left religion. I was terrified of the social implications.

    • @turnipswillneverhurtyou3934
      @turnipswillneverhurtyou3934 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Puting Pinoy if more people were empathetic like this the world would be a better place

    • @dereklouther9372
      @dereklouther9372 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol bot

    • @hamesansyiem1841
      @hamesansyiem1841 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why are people such wussies nowadays?

    • @urineanxiety
      @urineanxiety 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Hamesan Syiem I don’t think that being afraid about your loved ones possibly rejecting you just for coming out and being yourself just automatically makes you a “wuss.” It’s a genuine thing to be concerned and worried about, and if you were put in that situation yourself and didn’t react in a similar manner, I suspect you must not sense any emotion at all

    • @PutingPinoy
      @PutingPinoy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Miguel Hernandez it’s called empathizing and relating to people from various backgrounds, finding a common thread.

  • @skyllerf97
    @skyllerf97 5 ปีที่แล้ว +411

    I wish they would have touched on gender dysphoria. It seemed like the cis people thought gender was always just something you felt and not an actual diagnosis for many.
    Also I'd love to see the whole uncut version. These short episodes always seem to cut at the parts where I want to hear the other side's response.

    • @saramay7756
      @saramay7756 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      TheVeganWolf I also wish they talked more about chromosomes because even then there’s no binary you may have extra Xs or Ys or you May be born with a binary that doesn’t match you physically :(

    • @tfrank0560
      @tfrank0560 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ayyy vegang

    • @natavers0
      @natavers0 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exactly, if they wanna talk science but they dont even know what gender dysphoria is then they're clearly uneducated on the topic

    • @leiay6463
      @leiay6463 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      what is probably the majority of trans people say there's no need for dysphoria to be trans, that you don't even need to transition. Just say you are a man/woman and you are.

    • @angelface101ful
      @angelface101ful 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***normal people

  • @erica8096
    @erica8096 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Girl no, I am pretty tomboy and feel no pressure at all to transition FTM lol

    • @dondog3123
      @dondog3123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same, im a very girly femboy, and it doesnt pressure me into transition MTF, i dont want to change a single bit about my body, i just have interests that are rather typically feminine and crossdressing. I know my gender from my pants 💀💀

  • @sharonag2870
    @sharonag2870 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1034

    please do a flat earthers episode that would be so amazing

    • @cinnamonstar808
      @cinnamonstar808 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      its not that popular anymore

    • @Aaron-ev8km
      @Aaron-ev8km 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @YourCommonLoser a few too many !

    • @Tino1555
      @Tino1555 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      also they should put logan paul in it

    • @barci758
      @barci758 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      it would never end.

    • @ellasedits_
      @ellasedits_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh my god yeah

  • @fukluv9191
    @fukluv9191 5 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    “when you think you might lose something that you love, it’s really hard to go forward and make that decision” so true

  • @jackieflores2882
    @jackieflores2882 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2624

    girl... Cetin said she started transitioning at 32.... I THIUGHT SHE WAS LIKE 20 SOMETHING??? aging??? what is that? Cetin don’t know that

    • @noel2039
      @noel2039 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Girl same

    • @emilian_mu
      @emilian_mu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Trans don't crack.

    • @brendanchunn271
      @brendanchunn271 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Botox and makeup

    • @chelseapavone4287
      @chelseapavone4287 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      That's because she hasn't had the stress of an actual woman

    • @jackieflores2882
      @jackieflores2882 5 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Chelsea meaning what?

  • @angelinaJade33
    @angelinaJade33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Im late but i wished they included an indigenous person who held onto indigenous values pre colonization, such as "two-spirit". That would have been the most interesting part of the video in my opinion.

    • @kamala7101
      @kamala7101 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Two-spirit" meant those who were gay not non-binary. This has already been disproven long ago

  • @KeepingupwithKulture
    @KeepingupwithKulture 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4252

    Your sex is your anatomy, your gender is who you really are, your personality is how you act, think about that

    • @tvds8350
      @tvds8350 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Yep exactly

    • @Grey.01-
      @Grey.01- 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      You said it perfectly sis 💅

    • @Clementine3107
      @Clementine3107 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Well what about sexuality , I confuse gender with sexuality .

    • @Clementine3107
      @Clementine3107 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I mean are transgender men lesbian and transgender women gay ? I do not mean to judge or offend anybody if I did I apologize just I m not educated on these stuff

    • @Grey.01-
      @Grey.01- 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@Clementine3107 Lol no They do not consider themselves gay/lesbian. Or at least most of them dont.

  • @lilithlu929
    @lilithlu929 5 ปีที่แล้ว +560

    I love how while their ideas are so different, they all melt together in this conversation so gently

  • @Ifeomaaaa
    @Ifeomaaaa 5 ปีที่แล้ว +916

    Climate scientists or people who believe climate change vs. people who believe climate change is a hoax

    • @rockstarburne
      @rockstarburne 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      That would be hard to find, because most people who are called climate change deniers, don’t deny climate change but do think that the recent push towards “stopping climate change/ stopping emissions” which we cant because its always been happening and co2 is good for the environment, is a complete scam. When al gores predictions (who said similar things like all ice caps will melt in a few years etc) haven’t come true and then these plans like green new deal are filled with insane ideas than people start to get skeptical

    • @MichaelRockfez
      @MichaelRockfez 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rockstarburner Read any Fox News comments. Unfortunately, there are still too many.

    • @MichaelRockfez
      @MichaelRockfez 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It’s pretty hard to argue with science (especially when the “climate change is a hoax” people have probably never graduated high school).

    • @gram8121
      @gram8121 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Michelle Appiah I agree that it’s real I just wish that people would stop exaggerating it like people saying the world will end in 8 years and that people are dying because of it

    • @SMARTYTVyt
      @SMARTYTVyt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rockstarburne al gores predictions did come true...

  • @Pat_notacat
    @Pat_notacat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    That long pause from the last two before walking forward on "I would support my child if they were trans" is absolutely telling, and I truly hope they never have a trans kid. If they do, I hope their kid doesn't see that moment of this video before coming out, because I cannot IMAGINE being a kid thinking about talking to your parents, and seeing that hesitation.

  • @destinynixon4735
    @destinynixon4735 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1586

    I respect the consistency of the lady in the mustard sweater. I think she represented the traditional views well. I was happy to see her comforting the person on the side of her. :)

    • @ZephyrChaosRyder
      @ZephyrChaosRyder 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      You mean the woman on the side of her

    • @GeometryDashDyno
      @GeometryDashDyno 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      ZephyrChaosRyder Women are people 🤑

    • @tiffanygilmore104
      @tiffanygilmore104 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I loved her!!!!! Kytia is literally me and how I feel about this topic

    • @nicolasiglesias4587
      @nicolasiglesias4587 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@GeometryDashDyno She clearly avoided the word 'woman'

    • @zoegee4971
      @zoegee4971 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      She has a TH-cam channel you should check it out!

  • @will-qb7zn
    @will-qb7zn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3165

    girl i could not imagine how awful the woman felt when she got told she was "100% male" that would be so triggering for dysphoria
    edit: hey if yall come across peiple who are blatantly transphobic; saying stuff like hes a man jn regards to the trans woman, its better to just ignore it. if you're gonna debate do it with those who aren't bigots, its not worth it to interact. ive been doing lgbt discourse for three years, and its just my advice.

    • @will-qb7zn
      @will-qb7zn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +214

      @Anastasia Popa oh yeah i completely agree, theres no way to change biology, but the woman couldve definitely worded it better. i was just trying to point out that its a rude thing to say

    • @-adela-6994
      @-adela-6994 4 ปีที่แล้ว +108

      Exactly, transgender people experience so much dysphoria every day and have to still live with the gender they were born with every time they use the toilet, visit the doctor etc. It’s so sad that even in public where there is no need to bring up biology, they have to be told that. I understand that the woman just expressed her opinion and didn’t want to be rude or offensive and I actually kinda agree with what she said there but it really must have hurt

    • @jeffreychou3918
      @jeffreychou3918 4 ปีที่แล้ว +160

      Facts don't care about your feelings. If you are male but you don't want to be, the truth is that you are still male.

    • @potatoskins6001
      @potatoskins6001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      @@jeffreychou3918 They're literally not affecting you at all. Just living their best life. Leave them alone

    • @isytha5324
      @isytha5324 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@potatoskins6001 How is making people call you whatever you want and say it is pronouns not affecting someone. Chances are he has or will come across someone who says they are "Transgender" and if he does not talk to them with their pronouns they will target him publicly and on the internet.

  • @williammadison6832
    @williammadison6832 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2572

    Love this series so much. Would love to see teacher and students.

    • @biggerdogg
      @biggerdogg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      fax that would be a good video

    • @cecefernandes5657
      @cecefernandes5657 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I would love that

    • @fiberopticz
      @fiberopticz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think school should be fun there comes a train wreck

    • @thaddeusjd
      @thaddeusjd 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Indigo My moms a teacher and unfortunately it doesn’t work like that.

    • @pignose5538
      @pignose5538 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Samee (also I was 1000th like😁)

  • @CrazyInsomniacDSPS
    @CrazyInsomniacDSPS 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fascinating that no one from either side covered that gender is (literally) the way that an individual identifies and sex is based off of chromosomes. Sex has fewer containers of possibility (male, female, intersex, etc). Gender expressions and identities could be as numerable as the amount of human beings on planet earth. There's no inherent cap on that.

    • @Mel-wn9gb
      @Mel-wn9gb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Pure ideology, not fact.

  • @RavenBaxter
    @RavenBaxter 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3407

    Why aren’t there any traditional males.?

    • @skylightsblade9468
      @skylightsblade9468 5 ปีที่แล้ว +206

      Cause that would be too much of a controversy here, it's likely they believe that traditionally straight males would be less open to true conversation.

    • @k.a.m_dh9959
      @k.a.m_dh9959 5 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      They do, just a very confused male

    • @sereenkhan6531
      @sereenkhan6531 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Raven Baxter b

    • @rvb_reference
      @rvb_reference 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      69, you're welcome

    • @joelcampos8795
      @joelcampos8795 5 ปีที่แล้ว +172

      Because this channel is biased. They probably think men would be too straight forward and hurt someone's feelings.

  • @davidortiz9577
    @davidortiz9577 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1438

    That was more civil than I thought it would be 😂

    • @chiu8892
      @chiu8892 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thats what happens when you have one gender discuss genders.

    • @Arun-MM
      @Arun-MM 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chiu8892 Which "one gender"?

    • @chiu8892
      @chiu8892 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Arun-MM There were only "females" participating.

    • @emmacjobe
      @emmacjobe 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Lol, way more civil than when they tried to find that Beyoncé hater.

    • @cdmontano
      @cdmontano 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bored becouse women.
      Put some sugar on that panel with a motorcicle rider and a trailer driver... And see Rome on flames!

  • @hiatusyellow1707
    @hiatusyellow1707 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4249

    "I don't think we should know labels period."
    'THERE ARE ONLY TWO GENDERS'
    *Immediately agrees and sits down

    • @emilyy163
      @emilyy163 3 ปีที่แล้ว +205

      I didn’t like any of the traditional ones 😂

    • @thenutcracker7697
      @thenutcracker7697 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@emilyy163 the gray shirt girl?

    • @Angel_sanchez.z
      @Angel_sanchez.z 3 ปีที่แล้ว +125

      Well if it’s facts why not sit down there only two genders lol

    • @sadiemirabella1690
      @sadiemirabella1690 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@Angel_sanchez.z no?

    • @Angel_sanchez.z
      @Angel_sanchez.z 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@sadiemirabella1690 what other genders is there tall me right now

  • @jshah8343
    @jshah8343 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I am straught and not very exposed to the lgbtq community , I am aware of it but didn't know in depth the struggles they face and I can only imagine the amount of difficulties they face in this nasty world.
    Recently I watched this series "HEARTSTOPPER" and oh boy I felt emo for 2 days!! It was great to understand and admire the courage the characters had!! There is so much more to say but ilk start crying.
    Do give it watch a 100% recommendation!.

    • @Im9gen_
      @Im9gen_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I loved that show, it has great representation

    • @j-us-t_be-in-g
      @j-us-t_be-in-g ปีที่แล้ว

      Struggles they create for themselves. People aren't just targeting them. They're bringing onto themselves.

    • @teeho.7
      @teeho.7 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@j-us-t_be-in-g Trans people are targeted more than cis people, which is actually statistically proven.

    • @kkokoko13
      @kkokoko13 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@j-us-t_be-in-g Why? You think they’re masochists?

  • @gracenm4757
    @gracenm4757 5 ปีที่แล้ว +606

    I love how lax and respectful they were and willing to understand each other’s points of views as opposed to other videos

    • @raph009
      @raph009 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Not like the comment section of most gender-related videos XD

  • @denizugur5625
    @denizugur5625 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1044

    She started transitioning until 32 I thought she was 22 damn

    • @Ӝ̵̨̄-з6м
      @Ӝ̵̨̄-з6м 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      yesss she looks so young

    • @marcusclark3856
      @marcusclark3856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Yeah I was so surprised she looks 20

    • @coffyemmanuel
      @coffyemmanuel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      You mean *He

    • @kacie2570
      @kacie2570 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      @@coffyemmanuel she

    • @coffyemmanuel
      @coffyemmanuel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@kacie2570 He

  • @amritha3161
    @amritha3161 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4660

    I hate it when people say unscientific things by starting with "scientifically"

    • @doodlenerd4403
      @doodlenerd4403 3 ปีที่แล้ว +110

      EXACTLY IT PISSES ME OFF SO BAD LIKE I JUST WANNA 🤜👩‍💼

    • @jae3004
      @jae3004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +250

      meanwhile biologist, people who actually study chromosomes, psychologist, sociologist, and anthropologist are sitting there like:
      who's gonna tell them sex is a spectrum and gender literally depends on the society. we just happen to live in one that primarily relies on two binary genders. 😬
      like a lot of this stuff isn't set in stone so its weird that she tries to be scientific then proceeds to spew something that scientist would disagree with.

    • @fahrenheit2101
      @fahrenheit2101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +139

      @@jae3004 Sex is not a spectrum. Gender is.
      And NO, the words are not interchangeable.

    • @jae3004
      @jae3004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      @@fahrenheit2101 I mean you can disagree, but it's a fact. Look it up. If sex wasn't a spectrum we would only have XX and XY and people would always have the secondary sex characteristics of those chromosome patterns. A simple google search and a look though a scientific/academic database will show you.

    • @fahrenheit2101
      @fahrenheit2101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      @@jae3004 I did look it up. The sex spectrum is not so much a spectrum and completely unrelated. I even acknowledged the minority that do have gene disorders. This is entirely unrelated to the topic of the video and is not a spectrum in the same way, more like a set of categories. And 99% of people fall into 2: XX and XY.
      Edit: Nevermind I acknowledged that in a separate comment.

  • @lisatacchella8046
    @lisatacchella8046 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    loved this conversation. in most of the others there are people who talk over others and scream and just desagree . this one s different

  • @TheMahomielife
    @TheMahomielife 5 ปีที่แล้ว +428

    I wish when the director read the statements, the people were blindfolded and couldn't see who is walking to their seats. I think sometimes people are pressured to agree with a statement because they don't want to be the only one who is left standing

    • @turnipswillneverhurtyou3934
      @turnipswillneverhurtyou3934 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Lindsey Kar they might have trouble getting to their seats tho, maybe just have them close their eyes and step forward, then open their eyes and walk to the seats

    • @ManifestBest
      @ManifestBest 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      agreed and watching them try to birdbox to the chairs would be funny. could also do it where theyre blindfolded, standing next to their chairs and only those who agree sit down. or raise their hands or something

    • @eejjidol2142
      @eejjidol2142 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I pretty sure if they were blind folded they wouldn't able to see where they were walking at all and if they signed up for this, to have this conversation than I doubt they would change their opinion on whatever topic is being discussed.

    • @jamijoy8263
      @jamijoy8263 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This is some psychological term where people tend to make decisions or their thought process changes bc they want to be percieved as likeable while they are in public while their personal opinions and actual actions are hidden/not mentioned. I think the last one - would you support your child if they were trans - was a good example of this. I think the long hair white girl and the black woman only sat down bc everyone else sat down.

    • @superbob24
      @superbob24 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@turnipswillneverhurtyou3934 if you want to move forward you remove the blindfold and you can't take it back.

  • @laneyabear
    @laneyabear 5 ปีที่แล้ว +500

    when kytia comforted celine after she talked about dad, i teared up. it just showed that despite their differences she didn’t hesitate to comfort someone who needed it

    • @jessicahiebert3482
      @jessicahiebert3482 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      As a Christian she should. We truly love everyone because God loves us. And we can't watch someone we love be so vulnerable without providing comfort

    • @Sp1n1985
      @Sp1n1985 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cetine

    • @kallenmurphy
      @kallenmurphy 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Got to love a womens amazing nurturing side

    • @emllik2155
      @emllik2155 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jessicahiebert3482 you really had to bring something as useless as religion into this?

    • @jessicahiebert3482
      @jessicahiebert3482 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@emllik2155 I don't know how much attention you payed but kytia said she's Christian so it's pretty relevant..

  • @GabyyRose
    @GabyyRose 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2114

    "I didn't transition until I was 32"
    YOU LOOK 28 WHAT IS THIS WITCHCRAFT HOW OLD ARE YOU REALLY ???

    • @skylernissen8500
      @skylernissen8500 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Omg i had the same thought

    • @skeletonman1126
      @skeletonman1126 5 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Kougz it’s because trans women are flawless uwu

    • @deletedbecauseofhate-9971
      @deletedbecauseofhate-9971 5 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      She looks 67, I don’t understand why people are saying she looks like an unborn fetus.

    • @skeletonman1126
      @skeletonman1126 5 ปีที่แล้ว +135

      Łunnelfa - Have you ever seen a 67 year old?? The hell are you on

    • @edenp2465
      @edenp2465 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@deletedbecauseofhate-9971 she looks 30

  • @peginsenspad
    @peginsenspad 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    There's a distinct difference between biological sex and the social construct of gender.

  • @nkoyuncu2151
    @nkoyuncu2151 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1885

    when the trans female said “i didn’t start transitioning till i was 32” i was shook cuz she looks 25

    • @leahrosenberg8085
      @leahrosenberg8085 5 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      She must be a 🔥makeup artist

    • @mojohnson5134
      @mojohnson5134 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      N koyuncu stop it. It looks 45

    • @tuukutuuku
      @tuukutuuku 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      pffftt, my ass he looked 25... i'd say like 40-42. He looks like a regular white mom that has an office job.

    • @meningenmedlivet711
      @meningenmedlivet711 5 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      @@tuukutuuku she*

    • @maestrokimpembe8979
      @maestrokimpembe8979 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Meningen med livet I think you mean HE*

  • @biancadaniele3276
    @biancadaniele3276 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2260

    Video idea:
    Working mums vs stay at home mums

    • @jakeddot9154
      @jakeddot9154 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Your British

    • @jada1174
      @jada1174 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Mr Holland I’m pretty sure that’s Australian 😂

    • @zay406
      @zay406 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jada1174 and british

    • @jada1174
      @jada1174 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tea Oh lmao

    • @biancadaniele3276
      @biancadaniele3276 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jakeddot9154 nope

  • @mercedesbroadway1293
    @mercedesbroadway1293 5 ปีที่แล้ว +760

    Being a tomboy and a trans male are two different experiences.

    • @xboxfullauto1000
      @xboxfullauto1000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Mercedes Broadway obviously lol

    • @DivineVibrations9
      @DivineVibrations9 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Who said it isn’t?

    • @charlottetheo7857
      @charlottetheo7857 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      M B Also being a tomgirl and a trans female are two different things

    • @alisham6634
      @alisham6634 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sometimes it starts that way.

    • @williamhenning4320
      @williamhenning4320 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      How are they different?

  • @linkfan160
    @linkfan160 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was a little scared when I started watching this video, but this was actually one of the more respectful debates I've seen, which was great to see.

  • @hannahdunn3775
    @hannahdunn3775 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3021

    do private school students vs public school students :)

    • @kaemondelport
      @kaemondelport 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      hannah dunn or maybe traditional school students vs home schooled students ;)

    • @Cashbarni
      @Cashbarni 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yesss

    • @alialahmad4329
      @alialahmad4329 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      why what is the difference nit 5hat interesting topic

    • @wellidkidk169
      @wellidkidk169 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      hannah dunn there won’t be many differences to be honest ...
      i think home schooling vs regular school ( private or public ) would be more interesting

    • @mikey_stone06
      @mikey_stone06 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I’ve been in both they are pretty much the same

  • @anoushanarayanan9973
    @anoushanarayanan9973 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3405

    When that lady said she perceived the other lady as 100% male my heart broke, I could almost feel her pain through the screen
    edit: guys I found the transphobes

    • @carrot6248
      @carrot6248 3 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      YES

    • @stydcgnvnhfmuj-9pufkhccfj990
      @stydcgnvnhfmuj-9pufkhccfj990 3 ปีที่แล้ว +112

      MA HEART BROKE

    • @mk2escortvan
      @mk2escortvan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +357

      Biologically, she is 100% male. I think that's what she meant, though she should have clarified it, otherwise it's pretty mean.

    • @auxiz11
      @auxiz11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +213

      The question is simple and it can be prove by science. 100% accurate he is a male literally disect him get his DNA.. and he is a man.. It is based on fact not to offend..

    • @ohitsjulianbtdubz
      @ohitsjulianbtdubz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      They are both 100 percent human thats all that matters!

  • @akeria5673
    @akeria5673 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4029

    As a cis gender female, I don’t understand why people are so obsessed with other peoples genders/sexuality’s. Like, can you just let people live?

    • @lealacey2895
      @lealacey2895 4 ปีที่แล้ว +374

      I do care when it's a man who enters the women's bathroom.
      And plus, I do have the right to tell people they are wrong.

    • @TheLawyeress
      @TheLawyeress 4 ปีที่แล้ว +453

      coco réglisse AHAHAHAHA what’re you gonna do? Peek under the stall to take a look at someone’s genitalia? Guaranteed you’ve been in a public bathroom with a trans person before and you didn’t know it.

    • @phoebeuunkefer4489
      @phoebeuunkefer4489 4 ปีที่แล้ว +312

      coco réglisse do you really think that a trans woman is just gonna peek on every girl and show everyone they she used to be a man. Trans women are just going to mind their business and get out of their as soon as possible because they don’t want people like you to judge her and tell her that she is still a man. Grow up

    • @Nathantodd2012
      @Nathantodd2012 4 ปีที่แล้ว +218

      I don't think it is fair to women in sports to have to compete against people who have a biologically based unfair advantage.

    • @imawesomepersonDERP
      @imawesomepersonDERP 4 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      Nathan Hunter there are quite a few articles you can read about that. Athletes who are trans have to go through rigorous testing due to this and even have less testosterone than biological women sometimes. Go research more

  • @Bambam-600
    @Bambam-600 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is so terrifying to see so many people on these comments still out there who cannot just adjust to people who are different than them And so they mock/bully/mistreat/ disrespects. Each and everyone is different and have different feelings and it doesn't make anyone less human rather those bullies are questionable For being human and not understanding.

    • @zachman5150
      @zachman5150 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Get a grip. Those who are not what they claim to be, are not entitled to be recognized as something they are not

    • @krasmasov6852
      @krasmasov6852 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zachman5150 But they ARE what they claim to be.

    • @zachman5150
      @zachman5150 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@krasmasov6852 No, they are not or they wouldn't need a physicians assistance in altering their appearance surgically or hormonally