You can tell the Pedatric Intensive Care Unit Doctor is trying so hard to be respectful for the anti-vaxxers, and you can see the sadness in his eyes about their opinions and how it can affect the greater good.
That's why I dislike when people talk about personal opinions it hinders the actual discussion . Just speak about it in general and focus on the facts and stats.
Thank you Karen. You managed to tick all the boxes - No medical degree? Check - Talk over someone when they’re trying to make a point? Check - Using a specific situation to prove your point? Check
@@theappleciderresistance4925 A pediatrician who also stated that he tries his best to ease parents' worries and explain vaccines to them. He's not against vaccines.
Pediatric Intensive Care Physician: *gives data on Pediatric Intensive Care issues* Marissa the Graphic Designer: "No, no, that's not right." That sums up the whole issue right there.
One of the anti-vaxxers is a doctor so yes I saw the frustration. Also, incredible how the extremely pro vaccine doctor describes his daughters issues which are proven (included in the vaccine side effects inserts) to be caused by vaccines...
Bryan Castaneda Well antivaxxers don't have a lower chance of living in the US mainly because most of the population is vaccinated and the disease is mostly dead alrdy. Except for the tetnus types which are a different vaccine anyways.
QR Studio you just basically proved vaccines good. The only reason anti Vaxxers are living long lives is because the people who do take vaccines protect from spreading the illnesses.
As someone who was born and raised in Sierra Leone, one of the poorest countries in the world, I will attest that vaccines should be a must and should be considered a privilege to have. The infant mortality alone in countries where kids don't get vaccinated is atrocious. Also, being an educated person means that you realize there will always be a risk factor to anything in life. What matters in the end is "Does it do more good than harm". My 2 cents.
You go to your doctor for medical advice. Girl with bangs- "I know my child best" Doctor "Well here's the scalpel, good luck with your daughter's appendicitis"
All the Karens are like "I know my child best, I don't trust doctors" until their child gets appendicitis or a fracture, and then they drop their healing crystals and their essential oils and go running to the hospital for help. And the worst part is after the medical professionals help their child, they'll go back to their ignorant ways and nothing will change
Well, if you cannot use your intelligence to DISCERN between those areas that you are capable of researching and understanding and those you are not - if you would rather be a passive believer, so be it. But you suck as a parent.
“you’re too young to have arthritis” i can guarantee you no doctor said that. there are different forms of arthritis, some that affect babies. if her doctor said that she needs to change doctors.
That woman actually got on my nerves complaining about arthritis and how she was too young. Mate, I’ve had it since I was TWO. I’m a teenager and I can handle it better than her smh
... I didn’t doubt that? I’ve been sick since I was ...well always, but it really took off when I was 13. I’ve heard “you’re too young for this” for ages. In my personal experience, most of those comments have come from doctors.
“I read blogs.. I know more than doctors do.” Sis, doctors go through 4 years of college. 4 years of MS. 4 years of training in your work (Intern, Resident, Attending). The doctor knows better than bloggers. Bye.
"It's hard to trust someone that sees your child for 10 minutes, twice a year..." this phrase is neglects to mention that that same person is seeing hundreds if not thousands of other children on regular occasions, has studied numerous years to get a medical Doctorate to specialize in dealing with children and has experience dealing with ailments related to children.
ALSO its better when a doctor does not have a personal connection with a patient, so they can make unbiased decisions, without letting personal connection get in the way and cloud their judgment
david was absolutely one of the most respectful, respectable and thoughtful debater i’ve ever seen. he spoke from experience, not heresay. he assumed nothing, and only said what he knew. if i were anti-vax i would heed his words carefully, it’s very easy to tell he wasn’t there to change people’s opinions, he was there to educate.
The part when he was talking about his daughter made me want to cry. It was so heartfelt and honest. He just wanted to help in this video because of his experiences and knowledge. It was so beautiful.
@@harper6061 Did you notice how when Melisa's daughter had some issues(most likely minor), she jumped straight to the conclusion that it was the fault of vaccines and nothing else. But David, having his daughter go through major problems, instead of blaming it on something that could be related possibly, he went to fixing it and trusted his doctor regardless. That's what you should do as a parent.
The woman whose daughter had all those adverse reactions to vaccines would be an example of someone who NEEDS herd immunity (needs other people to be vaccinated) because she is unable to be vaccinated herself. If everyone was unvaccinated, her daughter would have a significantly higher chance of catching something.
casano3 Vacations never helped me with not getting sick. I've been Vaccine free and haven't been severely sick for going on 5 years now, of course I've had a few colds here and there but not to the point where it turned into something serious. I have a weak immune system and kidneys but get sick less then anyone I know that's Vaccinated.
@@izbella1857 The problem is when you get older or when there is an outbreak. I got chicken pox during high school, it was fine, but now I had the scar. (At least it is small scar) Then my uncle has polio and paralyzed now. You also might want to help the one that get autoimmune disease and can't get vaccinated. Just make sure you don't traveling or you get caught with foreigners disease.
Iz Bella that’s literally like saying I haven’t used a seat belt for the past 5 years and I haven’t gotten hurt but I know people that always wear seat belts but have gotten hurt and I have a cheap not safe car when other people have safer cars. It’s really more about luck than anything else. Also vaccines help make diseases less severe if you get it
No lol, I haven’t been vaccinated in over 10 years and I am fine. Everyday I am around multiple people who aren’t vaccinated either. Herd immunity is a false theory.
The thing with Mellisa’s situation is: her daughter absolutely relies on herd immunity, no one is disputing that her kid can’t be vaccinated, it happens, but that makes it more important for her daughter that other people are vaccinating. So the fact that she is on an anti vax campaign is very confusing to me.
exactly! I'm a person who's had an allergic reaction to a vaccine before (can't remember which one) and I never stopped getting vaccinated. some but not all vaccines have other ways of being put into our bodies for those who can't have it directly injected into us. I get it her kid can't be vaccinated so why the hell does she think that no one should get vaccinated? does she want her kid to get sick???
You do know what herd immunity is exactly, right? "95%" of people need to be vaccinated in order for "herd immunity " to work. Ok, so tell me, are you up to date on your vaccines? How about every one else on this thread? The people you come in to contact with at school? The grocery store? Library? Parks? How about your family members? I know I'm not up to date. Neither is my family... I guarantee that the answer is probably no... so.. with that being said... what exactly is the number right now for "herd immunity"? It's more than likely less than 95% why aren't more people sick or dying from these "eradicated " diseases lol
When I was 13, I choked on food. I stopped eating as I didn’t want to increase my risk of choking again. Join me and stop eating, don’t feed your children either, as they might choke aswell.
I was in a room and someone farted and the room stank. Thus I will simply hold my breath forever more lest I happen to bump into more people farting because I read a post on Fakebook from a friend of a friend of a friend that inhaling farts can alter my DNA. lol!
Well you obviously don’t if you want people to come here and possibly spread the virus. I think they should do this virtually, stop trying to spread corona.
It’s like “Hey I know it’s your job to be a Doctor and you’ve received an education, but I drink kombucha and read Reddit posts so I’m obviously much more knowledgeable than you”
"As a parent I know my child best" But your doctor knows your child's biological situation best. You can observe that your kid isn't breathing, but more often than not, the doctor knows why.
Most doctors actually recommend that you let other more educated people make the decisions because you can actually be more biased towards your own child, whether that they need more assistance or less.
That pissed me off so much when that woman said that. She sounds like an overprotective helicopter parent that thinks she knows everything. Guess what Susan? Reading on web MD isnt the equivalent of going to a university for 8 years
I could just imagine her kid having a medical emergency she brings them to the hospital and the doctor ask "okay what wrong with you kid and what do you want us to do since obviously, you know more, imaging, labs be damnbed"
Yeah... informed consent be damned. Doctors have never lead anyone astray. Why would anyone think they should be the ultimate decision maker when it comes to their own bodies?
Melisa: i reads blogs and i know more than the doctors do. ((That's the problem with society.)) Edit Thanks for the likes. My comment is sarcastic at the end. I really don't dislike this mom at all but she should actually be thanking the people who vaccinate their kids as her kid is benefitting from them.
C, if people get these concerns based of a blog we have an issue with our society. doctors go through years of school and studying to give their medical advice/opinion spending a few minutes reading a little online article doesn't makes your opinion/a dive (in regrades stop medicine) as valid as theirs. Vaccines have a slim change of harm, but so does everything;you can simply fall walking to a store and get a injury, should we be anti- walking? Vaccines save lives.
@C you are saying that in the smugnest, the most entitled way possible. How am I the problem with society. Tell me why people are wrong to believe doctors again.
Regarding Melissa, she said there's a medical reason that her daughter cannot receive vaccines herself, and therefore must rely on herd immunity, because she's suffered from reactions to them. So how can she be anti-vax when her daughter relies on others being vaccinated? I can understand if she was just against vaccinating her own child, but to label yourself as totally against vaccinations altogether is ignorant.
As someone who has a condition in which prevents me from having certain vaccines, I am all for them, because as well as protecting our children and other kids from these diseases, we also need to protect others who can’t have certain vaccines for health reasons. It’s not fair that we should have to suffer at the hands of others
Emmie especially when you could get a disease from someone who uses personal belief as a reason to not get vaccinated or vaccinate their children rather than true medical facts and statistics.
I was thinking they should ask if the people who are against vaccines if they want everyone to not get vaccines, otherwise what are you fighting for? To be heard? I think doctors understands the risks.
That person has that right. Are you going to be that insensitive to someone who literally almost died because they took a vaccine? I know a woman whose son died from an adverse reaction to a vaccine and she refuses to vaccinate her 2 other children with that same vaccine. Are you really going to judge someone like her so harshly. We have to get to the point where we have empathy for people who are genuinely scare because they have experienced an allergic reaction or know someone who has. There views are still valid even though you don't agree
@@nicolprofittkh Someone does have that right. Just like both government funded schools and hospitals, as well as private ones, have the right to refuse services to someone who isn't vaccinated. I do judge someone for letting their fear rule over what science supports is best for their child.
@@EclecticallyEccentric i feel like that isn't right, if someone has been adversely affected by vaccines, and i don't mean mild allergies, like people who have ended up with debilitating life long problems, i believe the fear is valid, no one wants to run back into something that almost killed them. I believe this should be recognised more.
I once had a light allergic reaction to sunscreen, threw up after eating rice and slipped in the shower, causing me to fall and bruise myself slightly. Therefore, against the hundreds of specialists and professionals who have poured hours into research on skin cancer, I propose that we ban all sunscreen internationally, even sunscreen from different brands that had nothing to do with my mild rash. I also suggest that, despite rice being one of the most important crops in the world and sustaining many people in poverty, we ban rice across the globe as someone may choke on it and die. My final suggestion is that we ban showers despite hygiene having been a key factor in many pandemics throughout history, as slipping and falling is extremely dangerous even though millions of people take showers daily without dying.
@@Nobody-kh2nm you said a light reaction….we aren’t talking about that here. People are entitled to their own opinions. If I had a near death experience with a vaccine, I would be extremely wary to take them again. It’s not really that hard to think. If someone almost drowned in a pool as a child and now they have a fear of large bodies of water, that doesn’t mean they don’t believe others shouldn’t be in pools, that’s their experience and a valid fear.
hmmm... Anti-vax pediatrician Bob is Bob Sears and he's currently on a 35-month probation with the medical board because his anti-vaccine advice hurt a patient. Somehow I get the feeling making this video violates the sanctions against his license... hmmmmm....
I KNEW I saw his face somewhere. He was reported on by John Oliver on his Late Night show. He created an "alternative schedule" for vaccines that considered lower and more dosages spread over time. I think the episode was "Vaccines: LastWeekTonight with John Oliver"
Nope.. Pro vaccine : 1 self proclaimed parenting expert, 2 physicians. Anti vaccine 1 physician, 1 designer and 1 person who either has no job or doesn’t care to tell You see pro vaxers like to exaggerate their intelligence..
@@IIII...... i cant tell if that’s sarcasm or not however that’s my logic on the case. both my parents are doctors so i’m quite educated and lucky when it comes to learning about this kinda stuff
@@IIII...... i’m chained up in my room because of you anti vaxxers. got covid from my friend who is unvaaxxed and currently in the hospital. would be in there like him if i didn’t have my vacccine
@@bothpoint8667 Nope. You both missed the point. Anti-vaxxers do not say that all vaccines do not work. Some work very well. Others do not. Some have potentially serious long term side effects. Dr. Bob Sears is not anti-vax. He is pro informed consent so that parents and individuals can make an informed decision based on the risks of vaccines.
I wasn’t vaccinated for measles. I got the measles during measles outbreak in 2018 when I was 12 and had been confined in the hospital for 2-3 weeks. During my confinement I had difficulty with eating and drinking, when I ate or drank I felt something sharp in my throat and was unable to breathe. My stomach started to hurt from all the coughing as well, I also sometimes vomited bc I kept coughing. Please vaccinate your children (Sorry for my grammar)
Me as well my mom was an antivaxxer and I got measles when I was 3 months old. My sister remembers me crying and coughing my lungs out when I was sick.
Lucifer seventh Oh yes of course! I actually get really mad when I hear people say they are anti vaxxers bc they just run their mouths about how they are right while their children are the ones forced to suffer. It’s not fair.
does anybody else remember when a group of anti-vaxxers on Facebook funded a research project trying to find the link between vaccines and autism only to find out that the study found none
it’s disgusting that people use serious disabilities to justify insane stances with no clear link between the two. the people with autism oftentimes are born immunodeficient and can’t even get these vaccines, autism is a serious mix of genetics and home life which is in no way connected to vaccines. sorry if this is ranty but it makes me angry that people will make these claims, it’s like calling a child with adhd ( something i have ) a psychopath, they might be psychotic due to a mix of outside influences but in no way are they psychopaths, because psychopaths are born not made.
Cinderheart meow don’t worry, i understand how you feel. it really does blow my mind how some people are so uneducated and ignorant and completely ignore facts and dodge questions when confronted about it.
the argument of "vaccines give children autism" makes me so mad !!!! Parents that think that would rather risk their kids getting extremely sick and in turn getting many others sick than having a mental disability. It really shows how many people are still scared of mental disabilities instead of trying to understand them and it's really sad :( my boyfriend is autistic but they knew before he was even born he had Aspergers, he didnt suddenly get it because he got vaccinated because that's not possible- autism is genetic :(((((
If Middle Ground has taught me anything, it’s that empathy and understanding is important. Even if you have concrete certainty that you’re right, understanding and treating the other side as human beings is vital, especially if you want to convince them of anything.
Except for when they disagree with you. Then you have to fire them from their jobs, attack them in public, wish them death, make death threats to them and dehumanize them then pass laws to put them into prison. Very compassionate wouldn't you say?
@@hellod4036 5 years since this all started. But you forgot? You don't remember when doctors, nurses and people who worked hard, lost their jobs and livelihood over sharing their own thoughts? Their was no middle ground for those people and it was already too late. And 5 years since nobody has come forth to admit they were wrong.
No they don’t. Literally one of my Professors is allergic to Tegretol and caused her to be nauseous and vomit. Not to mention, she specifically told the nurse and doctor directly to NOT put Tegretol into her medicine and they ignored that note and gave it to her regardless, but “only a little Tegretol” which still made her sick.
“Vaccines on Trial” is a great book people. I was pro vaxx with my first child until he AND my daughter had adverse reactions. My daughter almost died from an anaphylactic response due to lack of oxygen to her brain. By the way, $3.56 BILLION has been awarded to people with vaccine injuries.
that crazy guy Me when I heard Karen: I have seizures all the time and while I won’t deny that they are unhealthy, it’s much better than not being vaccinated.
@@finneyhamster9106 the biggest problem is they sound like they google everything so if their kid starts having a wheezy cough they going to think its normal till the kid dies of whooping cough
So much respect for the pediatrician with the child gymnast. Anti-vaxxers talk as if pro-vaxxers don’t know what its like to have a child with a major, chronic condition. Things like this happen and its sad but we can trust our medical community to get through it. They talk as if these conditions are WORSE than dying of measles or increasing the risk of another child who physically cannot get vaccinated contracting life-threatening PREVENTABLE disease
It would look like you know how to read. Read up or watch Del Bigtree who hosts brilliant educated and honest doctors who are morally courageous to tell the truth about vaccine dangers and the benefits of measles. Why would you think that it's better to inject poisons and land up with chronic disease than to learn how to care for a child who gets measles or the flu? Pediatric chronic disease and cancers are better than a few days with measles? Are you for real? Check out the "Brady Bunch" having measles when we didn't have the wool pulled over our eyes with murderous vaccines.
@@itateigman6746 I'm going to pretend to respect you for a moment and talk to you like you might be able to think objectively. If I'm mistaken, just don't respond at all because I have no desire to listen to you ramble like a braindead turnip. I want you to defend your position without making the claim that 200 years of vaccine research is fabricated as part of a global conspiracy. I want you to defend your position without accusing the 18 million healthcare workers in America that advocate for vaccines (And tens of millions around the world) of either being a part of the conspiracy or being too incompetent to understand the truth. If there is concrete data that proves vaccines are dangerous, provide it. Not a conspiracy blog, a mommy blog or any of that garbage. Actual data that can not be disputed. If there have been experiments done to prove the dangers provide them.
@@itateigman6746 I should also point out that Del Bigtree lost all credibility years ago by promoting Andrew Wakefields long-debunked ideas. Using debunked articles and individuals known to be less than credible usually isn't a good way to prove your point.
@@thegolem9325 It's clear that the vaccine issue is really important to you and close to your heart. You, and millions of others, wonder how it's even conceivable that so many millions of humans who desire to live fully healthy and vibrant lives can be duped so profoundly. Honestly, Aaron, do we still live in the dark ages? We do not! Today it's a choice to be duped because as long as you can read and communicate - you can decipher for your very own self what is true and what is fiction. There are MANY scientists and doctors who have historically understood and presently recognize the mind blowing intricacy with which our Creator created the world on a macro level and humans on a micro level and would NEVER have the arrogance to think that they can manipulate nature to do a "better" job that the Master Scientist & Doctor - especially with the wondrous immune system. Yet, there are too many others who are self-proclaimed atheists. They're in a dangerous mindset for themselves as well as the many who are magnetized to the charisma of these sick minds. It's those scientists, doctors, intellectuals, and industrialists who have historically used fear and other tactics to manipulate the minds of the masses to do precisely what's in their WORST interest. Because of the human ego - it's a lot easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled, no matter how sick and messed up are the people of ONLY highly vaccinated societies. And so it is with yourself and the many others who have made up their minds about your "miraculous vaccines" and refuse to be confused with the facts. You have just as much access to all the documents from PUBMED, WHO, CDC, etc. that tell you how discombobulatingly dangerous vaccines are. Their PURPOSE is to weaken your immune system. You will NEVER find a bona fide study proving that vaccines have enhanced the health and well being in ANY group of humans or animals, for that matter. We'll all know how serious you are about the truth when you stop with the ad hominem attacks and get serious about the truth.
@@itateigman6746 I told you I had no desire to listen to you ramble like a brain dead turnip yet here we are. Ad hominem means an attack against the person instead of their position and I have attacked your position, kicked it around and begged for you to defend it but you can't. Quit playing the victim and support your position or shut the hell up.
"i might not even be able to send my kids to school....because of the way i think" um no, it's because your ACTION is making your child a risk to others
So what you're saying is the vaccines don't work? Seems to me that if the unvaxxed child was a carrier of a disease, the almighty vaccines should be able to handle it.
In my country every child is getting invited to get vaccinated at the ago of 9 and 14 and some kids as a toddler (like me) but I’ve known people who just skipped them which you can also do
@Jamrs Roberts Is that why they misdiagnose so often? My friend brought her daughter to the paediatrician several times and repeatedly asked for tests to determine the cause of her symptoms. The doctor kept sending her home. Finally she said after checking online, she suspects diabetes and asked for the child to be tested and he reluctantly agreed. Of course that's what it was. My eldest used to get strep a lot and if it occurred on a weekend, I would go to a walk in clinic. Invariably they'd tell me she doesn't have it yet I would insist on a swab, cuz I knew. And it always came back positive. I was just so familiar with her behavior I knew right away when she had it. Ask anyone with kids and they'll tell you stories like this. Ask your parents.
@@Studi0_0nemusic He refused to give vaccines to his patients and created/used an alternate vaccine program which was never approved which lead to several of his patients getting measles in an outbreak that can be directly lead back to him refusing to vaccinate someone. Because of this his license got taken away. John Oliver actually has an episode that covers part of that nonsense.
I'm a teen I'm not an expert in the medical field. But I do know this. Many Pro-vaxxers *are* hostile to anti-vaxxers, and that's from my personal experience, - and reading this comment section. (Personally I've seen healthy unvaccinated kids and unhealthy vaccinated kids, Soo...🤨) All I know is I could look a nurse in the face and question them about the shot they gave a child I was close to, (a child who then consequently died) and have them say 'i'd do it again.' And from that day to now, who knows, she probably has.
Your argument here as it happens = is what one would expect from a kid - just saying. 1 - you *ASSUME* all the anti-vaxxers you see here are real people. That is a poor assumption. Trolls/bots/sock puppet accounts are legion on this platform. 2 - asking questions is okay. Presuming to know the proper answer when you admit you do not understand the science however........ 3 - the infectious diseases that vaccines work against are real = ergo their impact is also therefore real. In other words stop acting like only vaccines carry "risk" as that is superficial thinking. If a dozen people a year react badly to say the MMR vaccine to end up filing a claim with the VICP in the US = actual Measles alone used to send tens of thousands to the hospital each year before there was an MMR vaccine - it is a matter of historical record. Thus serious adverse reactions to vaccination are very rare - exceedingly rare. The same occurring as a result of people who catch the illness in question however = are much, much more frequent. You see one outcome or the other will happen because of #3. Your chances with vaccination are exponentially better. Final thought. Vaccines are weaker by design. So a person unable to tolerate exposure to a weakened vaccine = think how they would react to simply catching the full-blown infectious disease "naturally"...... 🤔
I'm anti-kids because 100% of children are people and 100% of people die, and I'm just not about to take that risk for my children. Edit: Since this was not obvious enough, this was satire.
chode: Their anti-vaccine status proves they’re not very logical. So they probably didn’t approach the decision to debate a doctor with the surest of logic.
Chode: Because most doctors only get 5 or 6 hours training on vaccines,(and that's guided by industry) and these "anti-vaxers" have hundreds if not thousands of hours of study on vaccines. I've talked to doctors, they know almost nothing about vaccines, they can not even tell you the ingredients in them. Ask your doctor. By the way anti-vaxers are mothers with a vaccine injured child.
i have an autoimmune disorder. it wasn’t great for me or my mom growing up. but you know what? i’m not one of the 1k kids that got measles from antivaxxers this year and i’m really thriving, so even if we do say that the pseudoscience behind “vaccines cause autoimmune disorders” is true, still better to be vaccinated.
Anti-vax movements are strong in most developed countries. Because Westerners aren't exposed to the horrors of the viruses these vaccines treat, many take for granted how much they owe to them.
She plays moral card. What she does is presuppose a moral stance into her side of the argument. “If you don’t agree with me it’s because you’re not compassionate, you don’t care that my kid almost died”
“It’s as if not being a doctor somehow makes my opinion less valid.” That’s because it DOES. Your opinion on medicine IS less valid than someone who has studied for a decade and then followed that with many years of real world experience, because they are experts in this subject. What a weird sense of entitlement to think that your opinion bares the same weight as that of a qualified medical professional.
Lizzie Allen read it again without the dumbass goggles on. I didn’t say doctors are never wrong, in fact I never said anything about who’s right or wrong at all. I said that her opinion does carry less weight than that of someone trained to understand the condition of sick people, since she has no formal training. Whine about it all you like, the doctors opinion is infinitely more valid than her own.
Lizzie Allen So do you think a opinion of a doctor that have years of study and experience is better then a opinion of a mon that say she did "research" on the Internet? The Internet are never wrong right?
The key word is "opinion". As if opinion has anything to do with it. Doctors can obviously be wrong, but we have the data to demonstrate the effects. We have the peer reviews and the studies. It has nothing to do with opinion.
When the lady was saying “I’m a parent I’m also a parenting expert with my own parenting company into it parenting” all I could think about was the “Jacobs by Marc Jacobs for Marc by Marc Jacobs in collaboration with Marc Jacobs for Marc by Marc Jacobs”
All I was thinking about was that vine kid that couldn't say the sentence son I was struggling and blabbering, and when he said it he was just so happy
Non of the "anti vax" parents were saying that no vaccines should be used.. I didn't hear that once. Literally all they were asking for was compassion and to be heard regarding the adverse reactions they and their kids experienced. Just because I won't vaccinate myself with flu vaccines because of the adverse reactions I've personally had doesn't mean I don't think other people who don't experience that shouldn't. I did even get the flu vaccine while pregnant for the benefit of my son and he didn't move for 3 days afterwards, went into severe distress and I ended up with an emergency c-section. Still don't think others shouldn't vaccinate if they feel safe to.
Look at the possible side effects of a give vaccine. Now look at what the infectious disease the vaccine helps prevent also causes in humans infected with it = note the similarity of symptomatology. Thus as both can cause a similar outcome it becomes a matter of which one is more likely to elicit those adverse side effects. History and science show that the chances of your incurring a serious side effect from vaccination is a fraction of the same should you simply catch the infectious disease in question. Meanwhile the more people vaccinated the better the "herd immunity" = which helps reduce local incidence of the illness = which reduces your chances of being exposed in the first place. As vaccines elicit weaker immune reactions by design than simple becoming infected it bears noting that people unable to tolerate exposure to a weakened vaccine = would likely react similarly - or worse - upon simply being infected to bear a full-blown infection. So it is always sad when someone reacts badly to vaccination. Yet the reality is that far more react worse to simply acquiring these vaccine-preventable illnesses. Exposure becomes a matter of "when" rather than "if". 🤔
@@varyolla435 If that was true we could compare the health of vaccinated people and unvaccinated people throughout history and now and see who is better off. No studies like that have been done on more than one vaccine at a time in isolation, and many vaccines haven't even been looked at at all. Isolated studies, while helpful, don't tell us about accumulative effects and the combination of vaccines at once. (Note these isolated studies aren't vaxxed unvaxxed studies they are partiallyv vaxxed Vs fully vaxxed So you have to compare fully vaxxed and fully unvaxxed as well. Also, we don't really know for sure what the effectiveness of vaccines is. We cannot easily assess what percentage of the decrease in death and cases since vaccine rollouts is due to vaccines causally because other things have played massive roles in that mitigation. It's also easy to misdiagnose diseases. For example, we know many cases of polio were misdiagnosed and were really something else like transverse Myelitis or GBS , and diseases that may have been caused by other things or caused by polio through other things. One theory that has never been put to bet regarding polio is that there was a lot of gut cell damage caused by the overusage of dangerous pesticides like DDT and lead arsenate over the 20th century that we knew caused paralysis in animals that we knew caused damage to the lower gut wall. This would explain a lot. It would explain why polio effected young children more than adults, because the gut is closer to the spinal cord in young children and polio viruses are contained in the gut microbiome close enough to the spine that it could transport over to it through this damage. It would also explain why every other theory scientists thought explained why polio effected kids more than adults didn't work out. It would explain why it affected the legs more so than anywhere else. Which is also something doctors and scientists couldn't make sense of with any other explanation. It would explain why it was so seasonal, and so common in the summer months, when these chemicals were sprayed all over the food. Which is also something the scientists couldn't explain any other way. It would also explain why polio so badly affected countries like the USA where pesticides like DDT were sprayed to oblivion onto all the food and crops and in the streets. And why polio didn't affect the Philippinos when Americans in the Philippines were suffering so badly. It would also explain why people in the country and rural areas knew about polio more than in the suburbs. The list goes on, temporalily and chronologically there is strong correlation too. So it's not as obvious as you think.
@@althepsyphros3314 🦜 Your cut & paste response typifies the superficial logic behind vaccine opposition. I suppose I should thank you for that example. Everything you just ranted - everything = belies *NOT* understanding. Your Polio rationalization is an example of incredulity-based logic as you gin up endless "what if......" responses so as to justify your obvious lack of understanding here = yet nothing indicates a desire to rectify the problem. Polio is not misdiagnosed for the simple fact that anyone presenting with neurological symptoms synonymous with Polio would be tested = and the presence of the virus would show. Vaccine-preventable illnesses such as Polio are "reportable events" and thus anyone suspected must be tested and if positive = that is reported. Similarly Poliovirus is spread via contaminated water/sewage and accordingly sources of water - such as contaminated wells in your rural areas or pools etc. such as people visit in the warmer weather = facilitate its spread. The virus can exist in the environment for up to 2 months - further enhancing its ability to spread. So all you ranted is explainable if you understand the science - which you don't. p.s. - there are loads of safety studies out there relating to co-administration of vaccines on the schedule. Perhaps you should parrot anti-vaccine talking points and conjecture less = and learn the science and study the issue more. So much for purported "self-research". Dunning-Kruger and confirmation bias as always rules for some.
@@govlovesyou1334 You haven't actually said anything you know. So one can assume your understanding here = is similarly nil. So how's the weather in St. Petersburg??? 🤨
This is something I simply don't understand. I'm from Colombia and there are parts of my country in which children and babies can die from a fever or diarrhea. No hospitals, no government, nothing. And these people have access to healthcare and FREE vaccines and they refuse to take them, endangering not only their children but also everyone else. It's heartbreaking. These people have been lucky through all their lives and now they have lost their perspective. I hope they can see what the reality is for other people and realize the privilege they have
@@shimmer4771 Don't do that. Don't ever try to compare the struggles of someone in a first world country to those in a developing country. Just don't. I live in a first world country as well, and we do have struggles, yes. But working 40h a week and earning almost enough to live, in a lot of third world countries, would be considered almost middle class. A lot of developing nations are almost enslaved (or actually enslaved) when they are struggling. Be aware of that.
@@shimmer4771 I think what Olivia might have been trying to say that even though Americans do struggle financially, they still many resources and organizations that are willing to lend a hand or even give free vaccines. For example, in my county, our county has free health clinics. They also give free eye exams and they also give free dental services. Whereas in a 3rd world country those small Opportunites aren't a thing at all. The government steals from the people and people are dying on the streets from hunger and other preventable diseases. Any type of aid is rare.
If they are skeptical about doctors and not trusting them, who’s to say the research they did is also not lying to them? Did they go to a trusted source?
@Andrea Mendenhall the side effects aren't that bad. Unless you shouldn't be having them. Simple as that. If your body can't cope, you doctor won't make you. If you can, then you going to maybe feel off for a few days while your immune system adapts. And in the case of additives they no longer contain any mercury, which wasn't ever shown to be toxic anyway, and the aluminum is 0.125mg which isn't anywhere close to an issue; people regularly ingest 20-30mg a day from food and drink. They are tested so thoroughly and have shown to be the most effective against many diseases. If researchers believed the side effects to not be worth it, the vaccines would never have been released. (Health physiologist with pharmacology education)
@@teaze1642 and then you get very sick children from getting cut by a twig. My personal thought is that if a parent insists a child not be vaccinated or they themselves aren't, then they shouldn't be allowed near imunocompromised people at all. Because a parent can decide for their child, but they shouldn't decide what happens to others.
pathetic mortal I know a 30 something year old woman who has never had a vaccine in her life and you wouldn’t know unless she told you. I say do what you feel is best for you and your family!
Imagine being responsible for creating an equal debate yet providing one side with three doctors and the other with one doctor one self proclaimed mother and one designer. Seems a little one sided to me. There’s plenty of doctors out there who would happily stand in and discuss why they feel vaccines are not beneficial for all people
"Mommy, why am I in an iron lung? The doctors say I could have had my shots and not caught polio" "Well, you see dear, mommy listened to some strangers on Facebook who said the shots could give you arthritis"
@@spillthattea88 yeah wikipedia puts below these videos that it is a top 10 threat (the ant-vaxxer side being the threat) but also wikipedia isn't a great source in itself, have to see where it got it's information
@@DanielDTUBWeinberger lol its a joke. I meant don't drag wikipedia to the level of anti-vaxxers. At the very least most people who contribute to wikipedia are sincerely trying to provide accurate and helpful information
But "research" by an uninformed person can be anything on the internet and it can be all the wrong information with a sprinkle of the right information. Your search terms can determine what you find. You can start isolating yourself into an echochamber and just be reinforcing the wrong information. For vaccines, there didn't used to be so much research having to prove they worked on the internet, so antivaxxers outnumbered then with anecdotal evidence. People take the lack of public proof as evidence that AVers are right.
@@shadowshatto I feel that problem would be fixed more with schools teaching students how to research properly. The fact of the matter is, doctors can be wrong, and they can be bought out. Of COURSE you should always keep in mind they are the professional, and morons who only find one source or one opinion to back up theirs aren't helping anyone, but there are ways to research things. I forget what it was, but there was a vaccine that helped protect against certain strains of cervical cancer going around about a decade ago. I have gotten all my vaccines except for that and chicken pox (I am from the age of chicken pox parties, cut my mother some slack there). The reason she chose to not get that one was A) what the drug was for, protect, not prevent, for the 2 least common and most easily cured strains of cervical cancer, while B) the side effects were common, and some were extreme. As additional information, the vaccine was not screened for very long in relative terms, and the most medically advanced countries at the time had banned this vaccine because the side effects were too extreme and too frequent. The Risk;Reward ration was too large. Personally, that sounds like plenty of a reason to not trust a vaccine in that case. The problem lies in people who don't research thoroughly, in those who just look for sources that back up their opinions, and not intentionally find sources that contradict them, and modern day society is encouraging this in all facets, what with safe spaces and such.
By the admission of a couple MD’s I’ve read, nutritional courses during their entire medical training extended only to about 1 ☝️ day. Some say less, some say none. Yet doctors speak to us with the utmost authority regarding nutrition.
@Victoria Ashlyn You have no clue what you're talking about. Look up the 30 year vaccine program established by Dr Peter Aaby in Guinea Bassau. Report back once you've read the results... if your attention span lasts that long and you can read some scientific research.
Christine Paolini in the years following the introduction of the measles vaccine, reported numbers of cases fell from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands, this is also true for pretty much every other vaccinated disease. Vaccines work, just accept it and stop trying to be different
Ridiculous, that Marisa (Anti-Vax) complaining about how she may not be able to send her kid to school because they are unvaccinated, Why would they let your kid in when they are a perfect breeding ground for disease? Schools have a obligation to all of the kids, and if preventing one kid from attending THAT SPECIFIC SCHOOL helps prevent another 10 kids from getting sick, then they will do that.
If vaccine injury is 1 in a million, WHY IS THERE NO LIABILITY? As soon as someone can answer me that question with no counter question or diversion, I will gladly co soder vaccinating my kids. But nobody can.
Yes Marissa, your doctor doesn’t know your child in the way that you do. But you’re also not asking your doctor for their opinion on what you should get them for their birthday. Doctors (most doctors, and you can do research and talk to trusted family and friends to find a reputable one) have had years of rigorous, extensive training and experience focused on diagnosing and treating your child.
not only that but a doctor that doesn't see you as often can make a more objective and smarter diagnosis on you because they're not biased/don't have an emotional connection to the person. That's why it's suggested for parents not to "doctor" their kids.
Doctors do make mistakes, even good ones. I know this as a fact. If you have a rare and hard to diagnose disease many Docs just won't see it. I've had to be a medical detective and switch doctors to get proper testing and treatment for my children. I know the risks for Vaccines and the benefits. We all try and get the flu vaccine every year, but sometimes we're just to sick to get it. It's always scary not to get it, and we have to be on top of all sniffles and colds and have them checked for the flu. Around a thousand people a year die from flu vaccine but last year 80,000 people died from flu and it's complications. I still think that vaccines need to be worked on to be made safer; some won't be able to get them safely. Someday maybe they can be safe for all without any side effects.
The intensive care physician was so patient and respectful and thoughtful. If I ever needed a pediatric intensivist, I’d hope my physician was like him! His final comment about not questioning leaving us in the dark ages was fantastic because the enlightenment and the scientific revolution brought us out. The thing that gave us vaccines. Beautifully pointed out!
I think it’s hilarious that when the actual DOCTORS were talking, the Karens were just shaking their heads with a huge condescending smile. Like, no ma’am, you do NOT know more about this than a DOCTOR. Are you serious? 💀 I was laughing the whole time.
I know the Anti Vax Moms body language was just mind blowing. You know if the cameras weren't on, they would have come out guns blazing. Their argument was tantamount to I don't trust doctors who see my kids for 10 minutes...i trust youtube. (yes i see the irony)
Opposing sides physician throws out a statistic. Karens: that’s false. Same team physician throws out statistic. Karens: oh yeah we just proved you wrong.
Soren Christensen yeah 6:25 was the entire debate in a nutshell. The literal pediatric intensive care physician is trying to site something to explain to Karen that she’s wrong - presumably a research study or something like that - and the Karens ignore him, talk over him, and tell him that he is in fact wrong. It is astonishing to watch that.
@@bigdreams5175 wth all of your comments basically implies you're a Karen. Flat earther, anti vaccs, etc, etc. I'm not gonna argue with you because I know you're very entitled.
Tom Nook is angery Technically he’s not wrong, since vaccines are literally just tiny bits of the virus being put into your body so your immune system knows how to fight it when the actual virus comes along. However, since it takes so long to produce a vaccine that way, scientists and doctors are trying faster and newer ways to make a vaccine for the coronavirus sooo there shouldn’t be any corona in the corona vaccine... but other vaccines have viruses in them lol. **I’m not anti-vax tho I’ve just read up on how vaccines work**
vaccines only help build a resistance to the virus, the vaccine contain a virus and antigen but usually in very small amounts. This allows your body to recognize the virus when it enters your body and fight it off easier if you encounter the virus later in life. Just like water resistant technology, it's not water proof. Same with vaccines you are not virus proof. A misunderstanding is that if you're vaccinated you can't catch the virus which is false. You'd still catch the virus either way but the people who are vaccinated can fight off infection easier due to being exposed to the virus through vaccines the immune system recognizes it. Well that's what the theory says, there is exceptions like if you have a weak immune system then your body doesn't fight it off quicker and you still get it. There's been cases of people who are vaccinated against measles or the flu they still get measles /flu mostly due weak immune system. There is also many strains of viruses and virus evolve over time they are always changing. 1 vaccine is not a cure it all medicine it doesn't work like that. The risks of not vaccinating are exactly the same as being vaccinated, but vaccines come with their own risk of injury ranging from allergic reactions, contaminated vaccines & toxins. We know that vaccine injury definitely exists because of the victims and because vaccine court has paid them money for it after they were able to prove it was caused by vaccines. We know in some rare circumstances children have even died from vaccines as with the recent case in samoa. You can spread germs on hands even if vaccinated, I believe good hygiene and sterilizing the surface of anything you touch / eat off is the key to staying virus free.
GrowingDownUnder yes, i agree with keeping a good hygiene and all that stuff. having yourself vaccined first is your choice anyway. what i learn is that, it’s better to do a prevention first and that’s it.
As Willy Wonka would say: _"strike that - reverse it."_ Your "risk" already exists as the infectious pathogens are out there spreading. Ergo you either stimulate immunity via vaccines which stress your body less - OR - you roll the dice to catch the full-blown illness. That of course comes with vastly higher chances for an adverse outcome. A child unable to abide exposure to a weakened vaccine would more than likely react poorly to simply catching the full-blown illness. Think about it.
There’s a saying “winning an argument against a smart person is hard, but winning an argument against an ignorant person is impossible”
88 Keys wow, I’m gunna quote that very time I argue with my sister
@BlooCaos r/imverysmart
BlooCaos you didn’t understand the saying at all
BlooCaos i’m not gonna argue with you because “ you can’t reason with someone who is unreasonable” aka you.
It's because they never THINK that they lost the arguement
You can tell the Pedatric Intensive Care Unit Doctor is trying so hard to be respectful for the anti-vaxxers, and you can see the sadness in his eyes about their opinions and how it can affect the greater good.
srv3fender not how that works
srv3fender 😂🤦🏾♂️
@@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender imagine being so oblivious to the reality that you start thinking like this guy
That's why I dislike when people talk about personal opinions it hinders the actual discussion . Just speak about it in general and focus on the facts and stats.
@@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender it's nice that Polio is rare now it never used to be like that, you have vaccines to thank for that 😉
I'm anti-seatbelt because I can still die or be injured in a car accident.
My daughter broke her arm in a car crash while she was wearing her seatbelt, therefore nobody should wear seatbelts: basically bangs lady's argument
Hahahahaha
The seatbelt killed my mum in a car accident but I won’t disagree the function of the seatbelt.
Basically 4:05 in a nutshell.
Oh my god someone should have said that
Thank you Karen. You managed to tick all the boxes
- No medical degree? Check
- Talk over someone when they’re trying to make a point? Check
- Using a specific situation to prove your point? Check
@@theappleciderresistance4925 A pediatrician who also stated that he tries his best to ease parents' worries and explain vaccines to them. He's not against vaccines.
The Inventor of mRNA knows it does. The inventor of RT-PCR test knows what's its real purpose is.
Mothers know.
On the intern u can always find someone that agrees with u, always fact check n don’t just look for the answer u want.
That third point is so common with anti-vaxxers. They always pull out vague anecdotes or unconfirmed stories to push their arguments
Pediatric Intensive Care Physician: *gives data on Pediatric Intensive Care issues*
Marissa the Graphic Designer: "No, no, that's not right."
That sums up the whole issue right there.
alecsbiggestfan but if you look it up, it’s actually not right?!
@@mirandashipley8567 ^the issue
@@mirandashipley8567 Can you give me your source where it states he is not right please :)?
I don't know why but "marissa the graphic designer" cracks me up
Shes making all us graphic designers look mc silly
You could see the frustration in the doctors faces lmao
One of the anti-vaxxers is a doctor so yes I saw the frustration. Also, incredible how the extremely pro vaccine doctor describes his daughters issues which are proven (included in the vaccine side effects inserts) to be caused by vaccines...
Jordan Cox bet the daughter lives longer than those that aren’t vaccinated... know the pros over the cons
Bryan Castaneda Well antivaxxers don't have a lower chance of living in the US mainly because most of the population is vaccinated and the disease is mostly dead alrdy. Except for the tetnus types which are a different vaccine anyways.
yeah
QR Studio you just basically proved vaccines good. The only reason anti Vaxxers are living long lives is because the people who do take vaccines protect from spreading the illnesses.
As someone who was born and raised in Sierra Leone, one of the poorest countries in the world, I will attest that vaccines should be a must and should be considered a privilege to have. The infant mortality alone in countries where kids don't get vaccinated is atrocious. Also, being an educated person means that you realize there will always be a risk factor to anything in life. What matters in the end is "Does it do more good than harm". My 2 cents.
Your English is very good
@tututuims ieijebdo not u, the guy raised in Sierra Leone
@@ritvikkanchanapally7909 thank you.
James Carew THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE IS TOO PERFECT
@@bigsplash6055 much appreciated
You go to your doctor for medical advice.
Girl with bangs- "I know my child best"
Doctor "Well here's the scalpel, good luck with your daughter's appendicitis"
EXACTLY! Then why go to the doctor's? Just treat you child by yourself. If you think you know everything be capable of doing your own operations.
All the Karens are like "I know my child best, I don't trust doctors" until their child gets appendicitis or a fracture, and then they drop their healing crystals and their essential oils and go running to the hospital for help. And the worst part is after the medical professionals help their child, they'll go back to their ignorant ways and nothing will change
Well, if you cannot use your intelligence to DISCERN between those areas that you are capable of researching and understanding and those you are not - if you would rather be a passive believer, so be it. But you suck as a parent.
What happens when the mother is a doctor herself and does the surgery perfectly?
@@aroach7461 They get the vaccine.
“you’re too young to have arthritis”
i can guarantee you no doctor said that.
there are different forms of arthritis, some that affect babies. if her doctor said that she needs to change doctors.
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Doctors say that kind of all the time. Especially to women. Just ask the disabled/chronic illness community.
My brother is 18 and he has gout, when it runs in the family it’s pretty common that young adults show symptoms 🤷🏻♀️
Ashley MacLellan exactly. i was tested for rheumatoid arthritis and i’m only 16. arthritis affects many different people of many different ages
That woman actually got on my nerves complaining about arthritis and how she was too young. Mate, I’ve had it since I was TWO. I’m a teenager and I can handle it better than her smh
... I didn’t doubt that? I’ve been sick since I was ...well always, but it really took off when I was 13. I’ve heard “you’re too young for this” for ages. In my personal experience, most of those comments have come from doctors.
This girl over here tried to “out smart” a Doctor about MEDICATION I am DECEASED
So are Anti-Vaxx children
Dashy medication*
@@azathoth8888 that was good.
Yr deceased cuz u didn’t have yr vaccine against pro plague
Subzero99 good job
“I read blogs.. I know more than doctors do.” Sis, doctors go through 4 years of college. 4 years of MS. 4 years of training in your work (Intern, Resident, Attending). The doctor knows better than bloggers. Bye.
Yuliza Mora-Otanez finally someone said it, Jesus.
Herd immunity isn't exclusive to vaccines though so I'm not sure why that would be used as a justification.
"It's hard to trust someone that sees your child for 10 minutes, twice a year..." this phrase is neglects to mention that that same person is seeing hundreds if not thousands of other children on regular occasions, has studied numerous years to get a medical Doctorate to specialize in dealing with children and has experience dealing with ailments related to children.
ALSO its better when a doctor does not have a personal connection with a patient, so they can make unbiased decisions, without letting personal connection get in the way and cloud their judgment
My eyes rolled so hard when she said that.
Medical doctorate trained in Rockefeller medicine
@@PeaceNinja007
The indoctrination is strong in the Jabbers.
Stay strong pure blood.
@@ENDtheFED-it4bo 🫡
david was absolutely one of the most respectful, respectable and thoughtful debater i’ve ever seen. he spoke from experience, not heresay. he assumed nothing, and only said what he knew. if i were anti-vax i would heed his words carefully, it’s very easy to tell he wasn’t there to change people’s opinions, he was there to educate.
Mariam Pakbaz I love him too he was so calm and respectful
The part when he was talking about his daughter made me want to cry. It was so heartfelt and honest. He just wanted to help in this video because of his experiences and knowledge. It was so beautiful.
@@harper6061 Did you notice how when Melisa's daughter had some issues(most likely minor), she jumped straight to the conclusion that it was the fault of vaccines and nothing else. But David, having his daughter go through major problems, instead of blaming it on something that could be related possibly, he went to fixing it and trusted his doctor regardless. That's what you should do as a parent.
davids cool, I like him, I trust david
This is exactly what an educated person is
The woman whose daughter had all those adverse reactions to vaccines would be an example of someone who NEEDS herd immunity (needs other people to be vaccinated) because she is unable to be vaccinated herself.
If everyone was unvaccinated, her daughter would have a significantly higher chance of catching something.
casano3 Vacations never helped me with not getting sick. I've been Vaccine free and haven't been severely sick for going on 5 years now, of course I've had a few colds here and there but not to the point where it turned into something serious.
I have a weak immune system and kidneys but get sick less then anyone I know that's Vaccinated.
@@izbella1857 The problem is when you get older or when there is an outbreak.
I got chicken pox during high school, it was fine, but now I had the scar. (At least it is small scar)
Then my uncle has polio and paralyzed now. You also might want to help the one that get autoimmune disease and can't get vaccinated.
Just make sure you don't traveling or you get caught with foreigners disease.
Iz Bella that’s literally like saying I haven’t used a seat belt for the past 5 years and I haven’t gotten hurt but I know people that always wear seat belts but have gotten hurt and I have a cheap not safe car when other people have safer cars. It’s really more about luck than anything else. Also vaccines help make diseases less severe if you get it
No lol, I haven’t been vaccinated in over 10 years and I am fine. Everyday I am around multiple people who aren’t vaccinated either. Herd immunity is a false theory.
Exactly my point!
I swear to god melissa's logic is like: Because i'm allergic to almonds, that means that almonds are bad for you and they should be banned
We should ban birth because some babies die during pregnancy. I will not stand for this dangerous procedure!
Yeah I stubbed my toe on a chair so all chairs must be burned to a crisp
Haapi Hiivistö I’m eating one now. Omg 😅
Haapi Hiivistö it's literally the meme that 700,000 people die in hospitals each year, ban hospitals
Complete wilful ignorance
Haapi Hiivistö it’s not "Melissa" it’s measles
Once I choked on pizza, that's how I know nobody should eat pizza.
If you do that, the Italians might invade
@@IIII......
Are governments forcing vaccines on us?
@@IIII...... yes they are putting gasoline in vackzine 🤯these gordrnarm governmentn have ben spyingg on us!!
This happened to me with Water. Now I only drink Soft drinks! :-D
@@mori8706 talking with a troll and take his word seriously? Wow.....
The thing with Mellisa’s situation is: her daughter absolutely relies on herd immunity, no one is disputing that her kid can’t be vaccinated, it happens, but that makes it more important for her daughter that other people are vaccinating. So the fact that she is on an anti vax campaign is very confusing to me.
Sophie Temple EXACTLY. She’s just a selfish mother. Who doesn’t care for other mothers and their childrens safety also!
That’s very ironic and sadly true.
exactly! I'm a person who's had an allergic reaction to a vaccine before (can't remember which one) and I never stopped getting vaccinated. some but not all vaccines have other ways of being put into our bodies for those who can't have it directly injected into us. I get it her kid can't be vaccinated so why the hell does she think that no one should get vaccinated? does she want her kid to get sick???
You do know what herd immunity is exactly, right? "95%" of people need to be vaccinated in order for "herd immunity " to work. Ok, so tell me, are you up to date on your vaccines? How about every one else on this thread? The people you come in to contact with at school? The grocery store? Library? Parks? How about your family members? I know I'm not up to date. Neither is my family... I guarantee that the answer is probably no... so.. with that being said... what exactly is the number right now for "herd immunity"? It's more than likely less than 95% why aren't more people sick or dying from these "eradicated " diseases lol
@@eloisachavez9472 they r .... Last yr was the biggest outbreak of messels in decades ... Coincidence ? I think not
Anti-vaxxer: “this conversation lacks compassion”
David: Am I a joke to you?
For real, coming from the one who doesn’t have compassion to hear things out
WhyHasGodAbandonedUs she might be apathetic. What a woman.
offtopic but augjvsthrsffjj i love your julian icon qwq
I love ur julian icon
Karen: talks about her kid's experience
Doctor: also talk about his kid's experience
Karen: this conversation lacks compassion
Melissa: *loses argument* can I speak to the manager
Everyone else: wh-what
Melissa: sorry that usually works
She is a Karen 😂
Lmao my name is Melissa and this whole video I was cringing like her name should be Karen
Alberto Garcia bruh how dare u...... u made me snort my milk lmao
Sorry but i just have to ask did i miss that part in the vid or did u make that up 😅
Alberto Garcia wait fr she said that
When I was 13, I choked on food. I stopped eating as I didn’t want to increase my risk of choking again. Join me and stop eating, don’t feed your children either, as they might choke aswell.
I was in a room and someone farted and the room stank. Thus I will simply hold my breath forever more lest I happen to bump into more people farting because I read a post on Fakebook from a friend of a friend of a friend that inhaling farts can alter my DNA. lol!
This man’s a genius!
@@varyolla435 Bruh I'm dying
My father nearly drowned as a kid. No pools or baths either-I beg you! 😂
"Everyone who has had a vaccine step forward"
*everyone steps forward*
Well, you need to become an adult to be an anti vaxxer, if you know what I mean-
"everyone who was not vaccinated, step forward" *dead people crawl out of grave and come sit down*
Justin Fay lol wtf
Justin Fay ahahaha
Because the parent made the decision. A child has no real choice .
I want middle ground between people who believe in covid and people who don’t
Well you obviously don’t if you want people to come here and possibly spread the virus. I think they should do this virtually, stop trying to spread corona.
Kamogelo Maponya that’s literally what I said, try reading
Drunk Sonic who shat in ya cereal
Revenant joe
Ngl sounds like an argument between trump supporters and everyone else
david looking unimpressed is the only reason i continued listening to these people, we stan
It’s like “Hey I know it’s your job to be a Doctor and you’ve received an education, but I drink kombucha and read Reddit posts so I’m obviously much more knowledgeable than you”
"As a parent I know my child best"
But your doctor knows your child's biological situation best. You can observe that your kid isn't breathing, but more often than not, the doctor knows why.
Most doctors actually recommend that you let other more educated people make the decisions because you can actually be more biased towards your own child, whether that they need more assistance or less.
@@sethadkins546 Extremely obvious but correct.
That pissed me off so much when that woman said that. She sounds like an overprotective helicopter parent that thinks she knows everything. Guess what Susan? Reading on web MD isnt the equivalent of going to a university for 8 years
I could just imagine her kid having a medical emergency she brings them to the hospital and the doctor ask "okay what wrong with you kid and what do you want us to do since obviously, you know more, imaging, labs be damnbed"
Yeah... informed consent be damned. Doctors have never lead anyone astray. Why would anyone think they should be the ultimate decision maker when it comes to their own bodies?
I'm anti-eating because there's a chance I can get food poisoning, and me no like tummy ache.
I read the last part in Cookie monster's voice
I'm anti breathing cause I might one day breathe in dangerous chemicals. So no thanks
one time i got food poisoning from a restaurant so im anti restaurant
A really that's a good point. Too much of a risk
I'm actually anti-living, because research done by harvard university shows that there are always chances of dying.
Melisa: i reads blogs and i know more than the doctors do. ((That's the problem with society.))
Edit
Thanks for the likes. My comment is sarcastic at the end. I really don't dislike this mom at all but she should actually be thanking the people who vaccinate their kids as her kid is benefitting from them.
C, if people get these concerns based of a blog we have an issue with our society. doctors go through years of school and studying to give their medical advice/opinion spending a few minutes reading a little online article doesn't makes your opinion/a dive (in regrades stop medicine) as valid as theirs. Vaccines have a slim change of harm, but so does everything;you can simply fall walking to a store and get a injury, should we be anti- walking? Vaccines save lives.
Tell me she did not say that
@C you are saying that in the smugnest, the most entitled way possible. How am I the problem with society. Tell me why people are wrong to believe doctors again.
"The first question is...I am vaccinated."
*they all walk up*
me: LAUGHING INCREASED
It’s before Covid.
Delta: say whatt?
how was that funny?
Most vaccines happen as children, so what choice did they have until they became adults?
When I was 6 I scraped my knee while walking so I've decided walking is bad now I levitate everywhere.
Lmao
A bird hit me while levitating. I teleport now
Lmao
Subtext Equals Subtext car hit me while teleporting, I now can phase through matter
@@RighteousPretzel Lmao
Regarding Melissa, she said there's a medical reason that her daughter cannot receive vaccines herself, and therefore must rely on herd immunity, because she's suffered from reactions to them. So how can she be anti-vax when her daughter relies on others being vaccinated? I can understand if she was just against vaccinating her own child, but to label yourself as totally against vaccinations altogether is ignorant.
soyjaimie I don’t label myself as Anti-vaccine, I am anti-mandates though.
Melissa Suzanne herd immunity relies on vaccinations
As someone who has a condition in which prevents me from having certain vaccines, I am all for them, because as well as protecting our children and other kids from these diseases, we also need to protect others who can’t have certain vaccines for health reasons. It’s not fair that we should have to suffer at the hands of others
Emmie especially when you could get a disease from someone who uses personal belief as a reason to not get vaccinated or vaccinate their children rather than true medical facts and statistics.
I was thinking they should ask if the people who are against vaccines if they want everyone to not get vaccines, otherwise what are you fighting for? To be heard? I think doctors understands the risks.
“This bridge is only 99% safe so we should just swim in the shark infested water”
This is literally the best reiteration of the anti vax argument ever👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Y E S
dang thats good
Tell it to the anti vaxxers
That is a great metaphor. I like that.
avoiding all vaccines because you had a bad reaction... is like avoiding all fruit because you ended up being allergic to apples...
That person has that right. Are you going to be that insensitive to someone who literally almost died because they took a vaccine? I know a woman whose son died from an adverse reaction to a vaccine and she refuses to vaccinate her 2 other children with that same vaccine. Are you really going to judge someone like her so harshly. We have to get to the point where we have empathy for people who are genuinely scare because they have experienced an allergic reaction or know someone who has. There views are still valid even though you don't agree
@@nicolprofittkh Someone does have that right. Just like both government funded schools and hospitals, as well as private ones, have the right to refuse services to someone who isn't vaccinated.
I do judge someone for letting their fear rule over what science supports is best for their child.
@@EclecticallyEccentric i feel like that isn't right, if someone has been adversely affected by vaccines, and i don't mean mild allergies, like people who have ended up with debilitating life long problems, i believe the fear is valid, no one wants to run back into something that almost killed them. I believe this should be recognised more.
I once had a light allergic reaction to sunscreen, threw up after eating rice and slipped in the shower, causing me to fall and bruise myself slightly.
Therefore, against the hundreds of specialists and professionals who have poured hours into research on skin cancer, I propose that we ban all sunscreen internationally, even sunscreen from different brands that had nothing to do with my mild rash. I also suggest that, despite rice being one of the most important crops in the world and sustaining many people in poverty, we ban rice across the globe as someone may choke on it and die. My final suggestion is that we ban showers despite hygiene having been a key factor in many pandemics throughout history, as slipping and falling is extremely dangerous even though millions of people take showers daily without dying.
@@Nobody-kh2nm you said a light reaction….we aren’t talking about that here. People are entitled to their own opinions. If I had a near death experience with a vaccine, I would be extremely wary to take them again. It’s not really that hard to think. If someone almost drowned in a pool as a child and now they have a fear of large bodies of water, that doesn’t mean they don’t believe others shouldn’t be in pools, that’s their experience and a valid fear.
hmmm... Anti-vax pediatrician Bob is Bob Sears and he's currently on a 35-month probation with the medical board because his anti-vaccine advice hurt a patient. Somehow I get the feeling making this video violates the sanctions against his license... hmmmmm....
that's very interesting
Don't forget he was selling vaccine exemption forms online for a personal profit without ever seeing his patients!
@@hrhux He is the epitome of a scumbag. There aren't enough bad things that can happen to him.
Wow I'm not sure if I should be made at him or the video makers because he should not be talking
I KNEW I saw his face somewhere. He was reported on by John Oliver on his Late Night show. He created an "alternative schedule" for vaccines that considered lower and more dosages spread over time. I think the episode was "Vaccines: LastWeekTonight with John Oliver"
Pro vaccine: 3 doctors
Anti vaccine:1physician-1Designer-and the other lady doesn’t even know what job she has officially
A physician who has had his license revoked due to giving false information
Man's went to med school to get revoked
And the anti vaccine physician even agreed that vaccines work, he contradicted himself
Nope..
Pro vaccine : 1 self proclaimed parenting expert, 2 physicians.
Anti vaccine 1 physician, 1 designer and 1 person who either has no job or doesn’t care to tell
You see pro vaxers like to exaggerate their intelligence..
Cédric S ah yes. The great exaggeration of spending 4-10 years studying medicine and making that known when asked!
"I've had death threats on social media."
From what? Polio? Measles?
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i CHOKED
I wish someone there had said this.
LMFAOOO
Not funny
so basically, if a bridge was 96.80%, you would prefer to swim with the 3.20%
@@IIII...... i cant tell if that’s sarcasm or not however that’s my logic on the case. both my parents are doctors so i’m quite educated and lucky when it comes to learning about this kinda stuff
@@IIII...... i’m chained up in my room because of you anti vaxxers. got covid from my friend who is unvaaxxed and currently in the hospital. would be in there like him if i didn’t have my vacccine
You *SERIOUSLY* couldn’t improve the 3.20 by 1?
@@nrlstatistics4898 ???
@charlie8508 you are simply ignorant
Hold up..
DID A PEDIATRICIAN JUST SAY HE’S ANTIVAX AND CONTINUES TO SAY HE KNOWS THEY WORK.
Yep, how contradictory 🙄
@@bothpoint8667 Nope. You both missed the point. Anti-vaxxers do not say that all vaccines do not work. Some work very well. Others do not. Some have potentially serious long term side effects. Dr. Bob Sears is not anti-vax. He is pro informed consent so that parents and individuals can make an informed decision based on the risks of vaccines.
I’m guessing he’s antivax about himself and probably his kids, but he has that “you do you boo” mentality to his patients
@@izzyz3400 - He's not antivax.
Seems like he was more or less dragged onto the anti-vax side
I wasn’t vaccinated for measles. I got the measles during measles outbreak in 2018 when I was 12 and had been confined in the hospital for 2-3 weeks. During my confinement I had difficulty with eating and drinking, when I ate or drank I felt something sharp in my throat and was unable to breathe. My stomach started to hurt from all the coughing as well, I also sometimes vomited bc I kept coughing. Please vaccinate your children
(Sorry for my grammar)
If you don’t mind me asking, why weren’t you vaccinated for measles?
Sidney J. Duffy didn’t say it hasn’t. Just wondering if that was this person’s case or another reason
Me as well my mom was an antivaxxer and I got measles when I was 3 months old. My sister remembers me crying and coughing my lungs out when I was sick.
Monique Granados hopefully ur an pro-vaxxer now due to ur experience
Lucifer seventh Oh yes of course! I actually get really mad when I hear people say they are anti vaxxers bc they just run their mouths about how they are right while their children are the ones forced to suffer. It’s not fair.
Why didn’t they get adults who weren’t vaccinated.... oh wait
Ngilenko342 😂I see what you just did
🤣🤣🤣
Ngilenko342 lmao
👌👏😂
This deserves more likes😂😂😂😂
David is amazing, he dealt with the situation so well and he had such patience for the other side and kept his cool.
Aww the pro vaccine guy almost looked like he was about to cry when he was talking about his daughter 😭❤️
that's because he was... and for good reason
aye a mets fan
If ur only seeing ur doc twice a year he doing his job ain’t he
EXACTLY 😂💯
I haven’t seen my doc for like 4 years
@@chasechien7297 oof
No, parents are doing their job. Not doctors
I only go to the doctor when I am sick
does anybody else remember when a group of anti-vaxxers on Facebook funded a research project trying to find the link between vaccines and autism only to find out that the study found none
it’s disgusting that people use serious disabilities to justify insane stances with no clear link between the two. the people with autism oftentimes are born immunodeficient and can’t even get these vaccines, autism is a serious mix of genetics and home life which is in no way connected to vaccines. sorry if this is ranty but it makes me angry that people will make these claims, it’s like calling a child with adhd ( something i have ) a psychopath, they might be psychotic due to a mix of outside influences but in no way are they psychopaths, because psychopaths are born not made.
Cinderheart meow don’t worry, i understand how you feel. it really does blow my mind how some people are so uneducated and ignorant and completely ignore facts and dodge questions when confronted about it.
the argument of "vaccines give children autism" makes me so mad !!!! Parents that think that would rather risk their kids getting extremely sick and in turn getting many others sick than having a mental disability. It really shows how many people are still scared of mental disabilities instead of trying to understand them and it's really sad :( my boyfriend is autistic but they knew before he was even born he had Aspergers, he didnt suddenly get it because he got vaccinated because that's not possible- autism is genetic :(((((
@@mrbie2380 How was he diagnosed with autism before he was even born?
Erin C Brain imaging studies. They can usually detect autism way before birth.
If Middle Ground has taught me anything, it’s that empathy and understanding is important. Even if you have concrete certainty that you’re right, understanding and treating the other side as human beings is vital, especially if you want to convince them of anything.
Beat them with a stick full of vaccines.
But you can't because anti-vaxers don't want to be *treated* XD
Except for when they disagree with you. Then you have to fire them from their jobs, attack them in public, wish them death, make death threats to them and dehumanize them then pass laws to put them into prison.
Very compassionate wouldn't you say?
@@aroach7461What point are you even trying to make?
@@hellod4036 5 years since this all started.
But you forgot? You don't remember when doctors, nurses and people who worked hard, lost their jobs and livelihood over sharing their own thoughts?
Their was no middle ground for those people and it was already too late. And 5 years since nobody has come forth to admit they were wrong.
"he does not know your child the way you know your child" Well obviously.. But he knows the human body more than you know yours as well.....
No they don’t. Literally one of my Professors is allergic to Tegretol and caused her to be nauseous and vomit. Not to mention, she specifically told the nurse and doctor directly to NOT put Tegretol into her medicine and they ignored that note and gave it to her regardless, but “only a little Tegretol” which still made her sick.
@@chronenojysk5107 they might have forgoten?
I’m anti life because I can die during life, and that’s too risky.
genius play
Peter Maxwell wow ur genious
This is an epic gamer moment
Genius
Lmao 😂
I' m dead that the Marissa lady was trying to really act like the doctor was uneducated like she also has a phd like wtf
“I did my research” like you went on google ??? she had me dead 💀
She probably went on web MD 😂😂
@@Pumpped ugh thank god. I'm ready
Pumpped we have more chances of dying in a car crash than by vaccines stop fear mongering
Shes the lemme speak to your manager type
“Vaccines on Trial” is a great book people. I was pro vaxx with my first child until he AND my daughter had adverse reactions. My daughter almost died from an anaphylactic response due to lack of oxygen to her brain. By the way, $3.56 BILLION has been awarded to people with vaccine injuries.
Dr: i watched a kid that was unvaccinated have 4 limbs cut off
Karen: seizures are very dangerous
yo this made me laugh
@@chaleenbeltran5987 🤗
that crazy guy Me when I heard Karen: I have seizures all the time and while I won’t deny that they are unhealthy, it’s much better than not being vaccinated.
@@finneyhamster9106 the biggest problem is they sound like they google everything so if their kid starts having a wheezy cough they going to think its normal till the kid dies of whooping cough
They are very dangerous as well, not disagreeing with anyone here but seizures can be life-threatening
So much respect for the pediatrician with the child gymnast. Anti-vaxxers talk as if pro-vaxxers don’t know what its like to have a child with a major, chronic condition. Things like this happen and its sad but we can trust our medical community to get through it. They talk as if these conditions are WORSE than dying of measles or increasing the risk of another child who physically cannot get vaccinated contracting life-threatening PREVENTABLE disease
It would look like you know how to read. Read up or watch Del Bigtree who hosts brilliant educated and honest doctors who are morally courageous to tell the truth about vaccine dangers and the benefits of measles. Why would you think that it's better to inject poisons and land up with chronic disease than to learn how to care for a child who gets measles or the flu? Pediatric chronic disease and cancers are better than a few days with measles? Are you for real? Check out the "Brady Bunch" having measles when we didn't have the wool pulled over our eyes with murderous vaccines.
@@itateigman6746 I'm going to pretend to respect you for a moment and talk to you like you might be able to think objectively. If I'm mistaken, just don't respond at all because I have no desire to listen to you ramble like a braindead turnip.
I want you to defend your position without making the claim that 200 years of vaccine research is fabricated as part of a global conspiracy.
I want you to defend your position without accusing the 18 million healthcare workers in America that advocate for vaccines (And tens of millions around the world) of either being a part of the conspiracy or being too incompetent to understand the truth.
If there is concrete data that proves vaccines are dangerous, provide it. Not a conspiracy blog, a mommy blog or any of that garbage. Actual data that can not be disputed.
If there have been experiments done to prove the dangers provide them.
@@itateigman6746 I should also point out that Del Bigtree lost all credibility years ago by promoting Andrew Wakefields long-debunked ideas. Using debunked articles and individuals known to be less than credible usually isn't a good way to prove your point.
@@thegolem9325 It's clear that the vaccine issue is really important to you and close to your heart. You, and millions of others, wonder how it's even conceivable that so many millions of humans who desire to live fully healthy and vibrant lives can be duped so profoundly. Honestly, Aaron, do we still live in the dark ages? We do not! Today it's a choice to be duped because as long as you can read and communicate - you can decipher for your very own self what is true and what is fiction. There are MANY scientists and doctors who have historically understood and presently recognize the mind blowing intricacy with which our Creator created the world on a macro level and humans on a micro level and would NEVER have the arrogance to think that they can manipulate nature to do a "better" job that the Master Scientist & Doctor - especially with the wondrous immune system. Yet, there are too many others who are self-proclaimed atheists. They're in a dangerous mindset for themselves as well as the many who are magnetized to the charisma of these sick minds. It's those scientists, doctors, intellectuals, and industrialists who have historically used fear and other tactics to manipulate the minds of the masses to do precisely what's in their WORST interest. Because of the human ego - it's a lot easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled, no matter how sick and messed up are the people of ONLY highly vaccinated societies. And so it is with yourself and the many others who have made up their minds about your "miraculous vaccines" and refuse to be confused with the facts. You have just as much access to all the documents from PUBMED, WHO, CDC, etc. that tell you how discombobulatingly dangerous vaccines are. Their PURPOSE is to weaken your immune system. You will NEVER find a bona fide study proving that vaccines have enhanced the health and well being in ANY group of humans or animals, for that matter. We'll all know how serious you are about the truth when you stop with the ad hominem attacks and get serious about the truth.
@@itateigman6746 I told you I had no desire to listen to you ramble like a brain dead turnip yet here we are. Ad hominem means an attack against the person instead of their position and I have attacked your position, kicked it around and begged for you to defend it but you can't. Quit playing the victim and support your position or shut the hell up.
"i might not even be able to send my kids to school....because of the way i think" um no, it's because your ACTION is making your child a risk to others
I don't know if this is everywhere but for my school you have to have vaccines before you even start school and as you get older there are more
So what you're saying is the vaccines don't work? Seems to me that if the unvaxxed child was a carrier of a disease, the almighty vaccines should be able to handle it.
In my country every child is getting invited to get vaccinated at the ago of 9 and 14 and some kids as a toddler (like me) but I’ve known people who just skipped them which you can also do
Unvaccinated children are NOT an inherent risk to others. You need to catch a disease to spread a disease. 😑
@@kyliepretty5072 and you can catch the disease if you're not vaccinated for that disease :)
I swear to god, jubilee's next video is going to be murderers and non murderers- middle ground
“The doctor doesn’t know your child as much as you do”
You know what he does know Karen?
*the human body*
@Jamrs Roberts
Is that why they misdiagnose so often? My friend brought her daughter to the paediatrician several times and repeatedly asked for tests to determine the cause of her symptoms. The doctor kept sending her home. Finally she said after checking online, she suspects diabetes and asked for the child to be tested and he reluctantly agreed. Of course that's what it was.
My eldest used to get strep a lot and if it occurred on a weekend, I would go to a walk in clinic. Invariably they'd tell me she doesn't have it yet I would insist on a swab, cuz I knew. And it always came back positive. I was just so familiar with her behavior I knew right away when she had it.
Ask anyone with kids and they'll tell you stories like this. Ask your parents.
@@OceanFrontVilla3 Nice bible
TaiSupreme Edit what? I’m confused?
@@danaegregoric7278 I just said that because it is a big text, don't worry about it
@@OceanFrontVilla3 that's called incompetence. not misdiagnose.
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Kat Von Who?😅😝
Bob Sears, the anti-vaxx pediatrician, got his licence suspended after causing an outbreak of measles in Southern California.
Cecilie Larsen what?
@@Studi0_0nemusic He refused to give vaccines to his patients and created/used an alternate vaccine program which was never approved which lead to several of his patients getting measles in an outbreak that can be directly lead back to him refusing to vaccinate someone. Because of this his license got taken away. John Oliver actually has an episode that covers part of that nonsense.
@@wowdragonsoul8712 when did that happen?
Could you source that please? Instead of claiming? Thank you....
Knoet Shoot • Do you not know how to read a YT video description box? It gives a link to his FB page.
I'm a teen I'm not an expert in the medical field. But I do know this. Many Pro-vaxxers *are* hostile to anti-vaxxers, and that's from my personal experience, - and reading this comment section. (Personally I've seen healthy unvaccinated kids and unhealthy vaccinated kids, Soo...🤨)
All I know is I could look a nurse in the face and question them about the shot they gave a child I was close to, (a child who then consequently died) and have them say 'i'd do it again.' And from that day to now, who knows, she probably has.
Your argument here as it happens = is what one would expect from a kid - just saying.
1 - you *ASSUME* all the anti-vaxxers you see here are real people. That is a poor assumption. Trolls/bots/sock puppet accounts are legion on this platform.
2 - asking questions is okay. Presuming to know the proper answer when you admit you do not understand the science however........
3 - the infectious diseases that vaccines work against are real = ergo their impact is also therefore real. In other words stop acting like only vaccines carry "risk" as that is superficial thinking. If a dozen people a year react badly to say the MMR vaccine to end up filing a claim with the VICP in the US = actual Measles alone used to send tens of thousands to the hospital each year before there was an MMR vaccine - it is a matter of historical record.
Thus serious adverse reactions to vaccination are very rare - exceedingly rare. The same occurring as a result of people who catch the illness in question however = are much, much more frequent. You see one outcome or the other will happen because of #3. Your chances with vaccination are exponentially better. Final thought. Vaccines are weaker by design. So a person unable to tolerate exposure to a weakened vaccine = think how they would react to simply catching the full-blown infectious disease "naturally"...... 🤔
I love how David consistently looked unimpressed
I'm anti-kids because 100% of children are people and 100% of people die, and I'm just not about to take that risk for my children.
Edit: Since this was not obvious enough, this was satire.
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@@anuraagsaxena7942 I know you are, but what am I? ...wait.
you should be anti-kid, we have enough people
@@v05555 Wdym? The WHO reckons the 11th billion person will never be born.
@@extrablandchaos2149 So you're going to end your family tree.
these people really think they’re smarter in the medicinal field than actual doctors. wow
Some of them are doctors
When people say "Parents know their children best", it is definitely not in medical contexts. 🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀
Telling a physician that they’re wrong is like telling Chef Gordon Ramsey that he’s cooking Risotto wrong.
Well he did say pineapple doesn't belong on pizza and he's obviously wrong about that, so bad analogy
@@jedimmj11 it's a good analogy actually. Toppings on a pizza is an opinion.
The Man With The Dash Cam. Same with the Doctor you refused to acknowledge because you need to "research" and the "risks" and "ingredients."
@@massojupiter3436 I'm just kidding
@@jedimmj11 yeah I thought you were for a second but the " bad analogy " confused me a little.
It’s educated people against “LALALALA CAN’T HEAR YOU”.
IKR
This is so true
Did you actually watch the video? Because it kinda seems like you're the one not listening
edit: I don't promote the antivax movement
It's like arguing with an adult when your a kid.
How do these anti vaxxers actually believe they can argue with a legitimate pediatric physician about this topic?
chode: Their anti-vaccine status proves they’re not very logical. So they probably didn’t approach the decision to debate a doctor with the surest of logic.
bluejt77 which is proven when melissa said “i know my child better than the doctor.”
Chode: Because most doctors only get 5 or 6 hours training on vaccines,(and that's guided by industry) and these "anti-vaxers" have hundreds if not thousands of hours of study on vaccines. I've talked to doctors, they know almost nothing about vaccines, they can not even tell you the ingredients in them. Ask your doctor. By the way anti-vaxers are mothers with a vaccine injured child.
"Why wear body armor, plate carriers and helmets if bullets still go through helmets and the armor plates don't cover the whole body?"
i cringed when that lady said “safe-ish”.
Ikr, wouldn't you rather be "safe-ish" than not safe, wtf is wrong with people these days
Safe-ish vs the unsafe of diseases that they prevent lmao
Marissa decided that her arthritis came from vaccines through google
Marissa is not the sharpest tool in the shed.
It could of came through vaccines but I doubt it.
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IM SAYING 😂😂😂😂😂
To marissa ... arthritis > death 😂
“I ended up with...” she acts like it’s a punishment to have a kid with an auto immune disorder
It's not easy on both the child and the parents. So you can't blame her
@@cathy1394 true
Erik The OG I noticed that too
i have an autoimmune disorder. it wasn’t great for me or my mom growing up. but you know what? i’m not one of the 1k kids that got measles from antivaxxers this year and i’m really thriving, so even if we do say that the pseudoscience behind “vaccines cause autoimmune disorders” is true, still better to be vaccinated.
@@kindnepenthe Except it's been found the ones with measles had the vaccine. Imagine that.
People in U.S still have discussions about stuff like this? Man I really don't understand how they're the most powerful country...
Anti-vax movements are strong in most developed countries. Because Westerners aren't exposed to the horrors of the viruses these vaccines treat, many take for granted how much they owe to them.
@@jarynn8156 thats true. I live in a "third world " country (India )but i never have heard any opposition to vaccines
@@jarynn8156 yeah I agree
This red headed woman is mad. I feel so bad for her child.
Yeah i cant watch her talk with that creepy smile she always does
wtf
Definitely , she would have sued hospital/health care worker at least once ...
Layne Bruh There are two red heads..
She plays moral card. What she does is presuppose a moral stance into her side of the argument. “If you don’t agree with me it’s because you’re not compassionate, you don’t care that my kid almost died”
“It’s as if not being a doctor somehow makes my opinion less valid.”
That’s because it DOES. Your opinion on medicine IS less valid than someone who has studied for a decade and then followed that with many years of real world experience, because they are experts in this subject. What a weird sense of entitlement to think that your opinion bares the same weight as that of a qualified medical professional.
Lizzie Allen read it again without the dumbass goggles on. I didn’t say doctors are never wrong, in fact I never said anything about who’s right or wrong at all. I said that her opinion does carry less weight than that of someone trained to understand the condition of sick people, since she has no formal training. Whine about it all you like, the doctors opinion is infinitely more valid than her own.
Lizzie Allen and who are you getting that 2nd opinion from? That’s right ANOTHER DOCTOR. Lol
Lizzie Allen
So do you think a opinion of a doctor that have years of study and experience is better then a opinion of a mon that say she did "research" on the Internet? The Internet are never wrong right?
Lizzie Allen so you can ask another DOCTOR 🙄
The key word is "opinion". As if opinion has anything to do with it.
Doctors can obviously be wrong, but we have the data to demonstrate the effects. We have the peer reviews and the studies. It has nothing to do with opinion.
When the lady was saying “I’m a parent I’m also a parenting expert with my own parenting company into it parenting” all I could think about was the “Jacobs by Marc Jacobs for Marc by Marc Jacobs in collaboration with Marc Jacobs for Marc by Marc Jacobs”
All I was thinking about was that vine kid that couldn't say the sentence son I was struggling and blabbering, and when he said it he was just so happy
Non of the "anti vax" parents were saying that no vaccines should be used.. I didn't hear that once. Literally all they were asking for was compassion and to be heard regarding the adverse reactions they and their kids experienced. Just because I won't vaccinate myself with flu vaccines because of the adverse reactions I've personally had doesn't mean I don't think other people who don't experience that shouldn't. I did even get the flu vaccine while pregnant for the benefit of my son and he didn't move for 3 days afterwards, went into severe distress and I ended up with an emergency c-section. Still don't think others shouldn't vaccinate if they feel safe to.
Look at the possible side effects of a give vaccine. Now look at what the infectious disease the vaccine helps prevent also causes in humans infected with it = note the similarity of symptomatology. Thus as both can cause a similar outcome it becomes a matter of which one is more likely to elicit those adverse side effects. History and science show that the chances of your incurring a serious side effect from vaccination is a fraction of the same should you simply catch the infectious disease in question.
Meanwhile the more people vaccinated the better the "herd immunity" = which helps reduce local incidence of the illness = which reduces your chances of being exposed in the first place. As vaccines elicit weaker immune reactions by design than simple becoming infected it bears noting that people unable to tolerate exposure to a weakened vaccine = would likely react similarly - or worse - upon simply being infected to bear a full-blown infection. So it is always sad when someone reacts badly to vaccination. Yet the reality is that far more react worse to simply acquiring these vaccine-preventable illnesses. Exposure becomes a matter of "when" rather than "if". 🤔
@@varyolla435 If that was true we could compare the health of vaccinated people and unvaccinated people throughout history and now and see who is better off.
No studies like that have been done on more than one vaccine at a time in isolation, and many vaccines haven't even been looked at at all.
Isolated studies, while helpful, don't tell us about accumulative effects and the combination of vaccines at once. (Note these isolated studies aren't vaxxed unvaxxed studies they are partiallyv vaxxed Vs fully vaxxed
So you have to compare fully vaxxed and fully unvaxxed as well.
Also, we don't really know for sure what the effectiveness of vaccines is. We cannot easily assess what percentage of the decrease in death and cases since vaccine rollouts is due to vaccines causally because other things have played massive roles in that mitigation.
It's also easy to misdiagnose diseases.
For example, we know many cases of polio were misdiagnosed and were really something else like transverse Myelitis or GBS , and diseases that may have been caused by other things or caused by polio through other things.
One theory that has never been put to bet regarding polio is that there was a lot of gut cell damage caused by the overusage of dangerous pesticides like DDT and lead arsenate over the 20th century that we knew caused paralysis in animals that we knew caused damage to the lower gut wall.
This would explain a lot.
It would explain why polio effected young children more than adults, because the gut is closer to the spinal cord in young children and polio viruses are contained in the gut microbiome close enough to the spine that it could transport over to it through this damage. It would also explain why every other theory scientists thought explained why polio effected kids more than adults didn't work out.
It would explain why it affected the legs more so than anywhere else. Which is also something doctors and scientists couldn't make sense of with any other explanation.
It would explain why it was so seasonal, and so common in the summer months, when these chemicals were sprayed all over the food. Which is also something the scientists couldn't explain any other way.
It would also explain why polio so badly affected countries like the USA where pesticides like DDT were sprayed to oblivion onto all the food and crops and in the streets. And why polio didn't affect the Philippinos when Americans in the Philippines were suffering so badly.
It would also explain why people in the country and rural areas knew about polio more than in the suburbs.
The list goes on, temporalily and chronologically there is strong correlation too.
So it's not as obvious as you think.
@@althepsyphros3314 🦜 Your cut & paste response typifies the superficial logic behind vaccine opposition. I suppose I should thank you for that example.
Everything you just ranted - everything = belies *NOT* understanding. Your Polio rationalization is an example of incredulity-based logic as you gin up endless "what if......" responses so as to justify your obvious lack of understanding here = yet nothing indicates a desire to rectify the problem.
Polio is not misdiagnosed for the simple fact that anyone presenting with neurological symptoms synonymous with Polio would be tested = and the presence of the virus would show. Vaccine-preventable illnesses such as Polio are "reportable events" and thus anyone suspected must be tested and if positive = that is reported.
Similarly Poliovirus is spread via contaminated water/sewage and accordingly sources of water - such as contaminated wells in your rural areas or pools etc. such as people visit in the warmer weather = facilitate its spread. The virus can exist in the environment for up to 2 months - further enhancing its ability to spread.
So all you ranted is explainable if you understand the science - which you don't.
p.s. - there are loads of safety studies out there relating to co-administration of vaccines on the schedule. Perhaps you should parrot anti-vaccine talking points and conjecture less = and learn the science and study the issue more. So much for purported "self-research". Dunning-Kruger and confirmation bias as always rules for some.
@@govlovesyou1334 You haven't actually said anything you know. So one can assume your understanding here = is similarly nil. So how's the weather in St. Petersburg??? 🤨
A study was done and was shut down because of the glaring outcomes.
And of course the doc lost his license 6 days later. 🙄
The pro-vaccine doctor about to throw some hands
Saadru Sarvepalli he knows he can beat their asses just by sneezing.
@@GrimRT w
Grim Reaper Tom LMAO
This is something I simply don't understand. I'm from Colombia and there are parts of my country in which children and babies can die from a fever or diarrhea. No hospitals, no government, nothing. And these people have access to healthcare and FREE vaccines and they refuse to take them, endangering not only their children but also everyone else. It's heartbreaking. These people have been lucky through all their lives and now they have lost their perspective. I hope they can see what the reality is for other people and realize the privilege they have
It isn't about money.
The vaccines ain’t free, but the money is worth it to save children’s lives.
they have access to those things and have taken them for granted and lost their value.
@@shimmer4771 Don't do that. Don't ever try to compare the struggles of someone in a first world country to those in a developing country. Just don't.
I live in a first world country as well, and we do have struggles, yes. But working 40h a week and earning almost enough to live, in a lot of third world countries, would be considered almost middle class. A lot of developing nations are almost enslaved (or actually enslaved) when they are struggling. Be aware of that.
@@shimmer4771 I think what Olivia might have been trying to say that even though Americans do struggle financially, they still many resources and organizations that are willing to lend a hand or even give free vaccines. For example, in my county, our county has free health clinics. They also give free eye exams and they also give free dental services. Whereas in a 3rd world country those small Opportunites aren't a thing at all. The government steals from the people and people are dying on the streets from hunger and other preventable diseases. Any type of aid is rare.
I hate how these anti-vax soccer moms say they do "research", when their idea of research is visiting the second page of google search results
Oskar the second page of google search results is biased, government propaganda
ive done plenty of research none of which was on google but whatever 😂
and apparently their research is equal to years of studying and practicing to earn an MD
@@Jcava5 And with strict restrictions, rules , exams etc.
Burn
If they are skeptical about doctors and not trusting them, who’s to say the research they did is also not lying to them? Did they go to a trusted source?
OK BUT ARTHRITIS IN A HAND VERSUS ALL YOUR LIMBS BEING CHOPPED OFF???????
I'm going to comment on this post because it has too many likes to not have any comments --_--
"The bridge is only 99 % safe so I will swim across these rapids instead."
"I ate icecream and then I broke my leg. Icecream causes broken legs."
Ice cream really is a rocky road!
ON POINT
I agree with the first part so much
Bob: I'm an antivaxxer
Also Bob: vaccines work
pathetic mortal he’s a under cover pro-vaxxer, gain their trust and slowly change they’re minds with facts
@Andrea Mendenhall the side effects aren't that bad. Unless you shouldn't be having them. Simple as that. If your body can't cope, you doctor won't make you. If you can, then you going to maybe feel off for a few days while your immune system adapts.
And in the case of additives they no longer contain any mercury, which wasn't ever shown to be toxic anyway, and the aluminum is 0.125mg which isn't anywhere close to an issue; people regularly ingest 20-30mg a day from food and drink.
They are tested so thoroughly and have shown to be the most effective against many diseases. If researchers believed the side effects to not be worth it, the vaccines would never have been released.
(Health physiologist with pharmacology education)
I think his argument is that vaccines shouldn’t be forced, but require full consent of the parents (thats what im getting from him)
@@teaze1642 and then you get very sick children from getting cut by a twig.
My personal thought is that if a parent insists a child not be vaccinated or they themselves aren't, then they shouldn't be allowed near imunocompromised people at all. Because a parent can decide for their child, but they shouldn't decide what happens to others.
pathetic mortal I know a 30 something year old woman who has never had a vaccine in her life and you wouldn’t know unless she told you. I say do what you feel is best for you and your family!
Imagine being responsible for creating an equal debate yet providing one side with three doctors and the other with one doctor one self proclaimed mother and one designer. Seems a little one sided to me. There’s plenty of doctors out there who would happily stand in and discuss why they feel vaccines are not beneficial for all people
All these mothers are like "I'm the mother of two kids"
While I'm like "Not for long"
I don't get that "argument." So when you became a mother you automatically gained knowledge of biology, physiology & immunology?
@@huntstyle apparently :/
Gets a phone call
Returns
“Hi I’m mal Lisa and I’m a mother of one kid
Why did no one acknowledge there’s three people who’s name is Marissa, Marisa, Melissa and that one of the anti-vaxxers is a pediatrician
Ok Boomer
See what I did there 😉
You mean Marissa, Marisa, and Melissa
Sam 207 people do
Sam ok boomer
Sam you just said it
"Mommy, why am I in an iron lung? The doctors say I could have had my shots and not caught polio"
"Well, you see dear, mommy listened to some strangers on Facebook who said the shots could give you arthritis"
"Mommy why don't I have arms and legs like the other kids?" "Because mommy went on wikipedia and saw that vaccines are bad."
@@oliverkrohn8309 hey now lets not drag down Wikipedia like that
@@spillthattea88 yeah wikipedia puts below these videos that it is a top 10 threat (the ant-vaxxer side being the threat)
but also wikipedia isn't a great source in itself, have to see where it got it's information
spill that tea Wikipedia can have changed results, because anyone can change a Wikipedia page.
@@DanielDTUBWeinberger lol its a joke. I meant don't drag wikipedia to the level of anti-vaxxers. At the very least most people who contribute to wikipedia are sincerely trying to provide accurate and helpful information
Alternate title people who studied medicine vs those who just googled it
The lady with the bangs pissed me off the entire video...lol.
Jackie garcia she talks like she’s a doctor lmao
Every time she says “parents know their child’s the best” irritates me..no parent ever knows their child to the fullest.
@@mango2mango32 Hahaha right!? these people, I swear.
omg yessssssss
A salty in the salt mine
"my own research"
Basically 20 minutes spent on WebMD
But "research" by an uninformed person can be anything on the internet and it can be all the wrong information with a sprinkle of the right information. Your search terms can determine what you find. You can start isolating yourself into an echochamber and just be reinforcing the wrong information.
For vaccines, there didn't used to be so much research having to prove they worked on the internet, so antivaxxers outnumbered then with anecdotal evidence. People take the lack of public proof as evidence that AVers are right.
@@shadowshatto I feel that problem would be fixed more with schools teaching students how to research properly. The fact of the matter is, doctors can be wrong, and they can be bought out. Of COURSE you should always keep in mind they are the professional, and morons who only find one source or one opinion to back up theirs aren't helping anyone, but there are ways to research things.
I forget what it was, but there was a vaccine that helped protect against certain strains of cervical cancer going around about a decade ago. I have gotten all my vaccines except for that and chicken pox (I am from the age of chicken pox parties, cut my mother some slack there). The reason she chose to not get that one was A) what the drug was for, protect, not prevent, for the 2 least common and most easily cured strains of cervical cancer, while B) the side effects were common, and some were extreme. As additional information, the vaccine was not screened for very long in relative terms, and the most medically advanced countries at the time had banned this vaccine because the side effects were too extreme and too frequent. The Risk;Reward ration was too large.
Personally, that sounds like plenty of a reason to not trust a vaccine in that case. The problem lies in people who don't research thoroughly, in those who just look for sources that back up their opinions, and not intentionally find sources that contradict them, and modern day society is encouraging this in all facets, what with safe spaces and such.
By the admission of a couple MD’s I’ve read, nutritional courses during their entire medical training extended only to about 1 ☝️ day. Some say less, some say none. Yet doctors speak to us with the utmost authority regarding nutrition.
Pro vaccine : i have 2 daughters, 10 and 13
Non vaccine : They are so old!
Lol
@Victoria Ashlyn
You have no clue what you're talking about. Look up the 30 year vaccine program established by Dr Peter Aaby in Guinea Bassau. Report back once you've read the results... if your attention span lasts that long and you can read some scientific research.
Christine Paolini in the years following the introduction of the measles vaccine, reported numbers of cases fell from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands, this is also true for pretty much every other vaccinated disease. Vaccines work, just accept it and stop trying to be different
Anti-vaxx kids don't last that long.
saying it louder for the people at the back: CORRELATION IS NOT EQUAL TO CAUSATION!!
I'm anti-breathing because there's a lot of air pollution and I might get sick.
Yo I am anti-water as well cuz you can drown
Did you know breathing air causes lung cancer?
Hey, I'm against breathing t...
Mhmm i am too
Yo im anti-life because every life ends in death
It's a scary thing for me to know that even a pediatrician can be an anti-vax person.....
Dont worry, someone mentioned that the anti vax pediatrician is on probation from the medical board, lol
Santiago PoopPee ScatVore oh yeah. He’s in it to make money. He’s spouting garbage
Santiago PoopPee ScatVore what really? I wonder why they chose him for this video then
He might be faking it
I'm scared about how much companies' marketing have managed to brainwash millions into defending vaccines. Remember, follow the money.
Ridiculous, that Marisa (Anti-Vax) complaining about how she may not be able to send her kid to school because they are unvaccinated, Why would they let your kid in when they are a perfect breeding ground for disease? Schools have a obligation to all of the kids, and if preventing one kid from attending THAT SPECIFIC SCHOOL helps prevent another 10 kids from getting sick, then they will do that.
she is also pro headlice
and thank god it is that way
Tea
@@jamiewilson2550 hhahhaha
@@ТогжанР I know right
If vaccine injury is 1 in a million, WHY IS THERE NO LIABILITY? As soon as someone can answer me that question with no counter question or diversion, I will gladly co soder vaccinating my kids.
But nobody can.
Yes Marissa, your doctor doesn’t know your child in the way that you do. But you’re also not asking your doctor for their opinion on what you should get them for their birthday. Doctors (most doctors, and you can do research and talk to trusted family and friends to find a reputable one) have had years of rigorous, extensive training and experience focused on diagnosing and treating your child.
Melissa was the one with the bangs, wasn't she the one who said that?
Alice Pan yea she was. I think the person just got confused with the names. They’re so similar 😂
not only that but a doctor that doesn't see you as often can make a more objective and smarter diagnosis on you because they're not biased/don't have an emotional connection to the person. That's why it's suggested for parents not to "doctor" their kids.
Doctors do make mistakes, even good ones. I know this as a fact. If you have a rare and hard to diagnose disease many Docs just won't see it. I've had to be a medical detective and switch doctors to get proper testing and treatment for my children. I know the risks for Vaccines and the benefits. We all try and get the flu vaccine every year, but sometimes we're just to sick to get it. It's always scary not to get it, and we have to be on top of all sniffles and colds and have them checked for the flu. Around a thousand people a year die from flu vaccine but last year 80,000 people died from flu and it's complications. I still think that vaccines need to be worked on to be made safer; some won't be able to get them safely. Someday maybe they can be safe for all without any side effects.
@@peoriagrace1968 ^ i agree with most parts of your statement, though id like to add that all medication does have its set of side affects.
The intensive care physician was so patient and respectful and thoughtful. If I ever needed a pediatric intensivist, I’d hope my physician was like him!
His final comment about not questioning leaving us in the dark ages was fantastic because the enlightenment and the scientific revolution brought us out. The thing that gave us vaccines. Beautifully pointed out!
I think it’s hilarious that when the actual DOCTORS were talking, the Karens were just shaking their heads with a huge condescending smile. Like, no ma’am, you do NOT know more about this than a DOCTOR. Are you serious? 💀 I was laughing the whole time.
I could not believe the patience the doctor showed. I would have exploded. How insulting can these people be?
I know the Anti Vax Moms body language was just mind blowing. You know if the cameras weren't on, they would have come out guns blazing.
Their argument was tantamount to I don't trust doctors who see my kids for 10 minutes...i trust youtube. (yes i see the irony)
Opposing sides physician throws out a statistic. Karens: that’s false. Same team physician throws out statistic. Karens: oh yeah we just proved you wrong.
Soren Christensen yeah 6:25 was the entire debate in a nutshell. The literal pediatric intensive care physician is trying to site something to explain to Karen that she’s wrong - presumably a research study or something like that - and the Karens ignore him, talk over him, and tell him that he is in fact wrong. It is astonishing to watch that.
They’re so sure their google searches is sufficient research when compared to the 6+ years long training period doctors/emts/etc go through
" just because I don't have dr in front of my name doesn't mean that my opinion is less valid"
yes, it does, actually.
This video needs to be re-done if and when the covid vaccine comes out.
Sadly I know many people who say they won't get it because it'll have a trackers in them or that it's some kind of population control
That is really, REALLY far away
Dont be silly. Vaccines are the viruses itself
@@bigdreams5175 wth all of your comments basically implies you're a Karen. Flat earther, anti vaccs, etc, etc. I'm not gonna argue with you because I know you're very entitled.
Tom Nook is angery Technically he’s not wrong, since vaccines are literally just tiny bits of the virus being put into your body so your immune system knows how to fight it when the actual virus comes along. However, since it takes so long to produce a vaccine that way, scientists and doctors are trying faster and newer ways to make a vaccine for the coronavirus sooo there shouldn’t be any corona in the corona vaccine... but other vaccines have viruses in them lol.
**I’m not anti-vax tho I’ve just read up on how vaccines work**
all these anti-vax memes will never die, which is actually pretty ironic.
Carter Chandler Finally I've found someone in the comments section who actually used the word "ironic" correctly for once lol. Thank you haha
They will die. Along with the anti-vaxxers.
Just as you will
That’s because the memes are vaxxed
Just wanted to say that was a good comment. Have a nice day :)
how are the anti-vaxxers talking about the pros downplaying something while completely downplaying all the risks of not vaxxing themselves?
omg preach!
Because they only care about their own opinion and don't care about the safety of their kids...
vaccines only help build a resistance to the virus, the vaccine contain a virus and antigen but usually in very small amounts. This allows your body to recognize the virus when it enters your body and fight it off easier if you encounter the virus later in life. Just like water resistant technology, it's not water proof. Same with vaccines you are not virus proof. A misunderstanding is that if you're vaccinated you can't catch the virus which is false. You'd still catch the virus either way but the people who are vaccinated can fight off infection easier due to being exposed to the virus through vaccines the immune system recognizes it. Well that's what the theory says, there is exceptions like if you have a weak immune system then your body doesn't fight it off quicker and you still get it. There's been cases of people who are vaccinated against measles or the flu they still get measles /flu mostly due weak immune system. There is also many strains of viruses and virus evolve over time they are always changing. 1 vaccine is not a cure it all medicine it doesn't work like that. The risks of not vaccinating are exactly the same as being vaccinated, but vaccines come with their own risk of injury ranging from allergic reactions, contaminated vaccines & toxins. We know that vaccine injury definitely exists because of the victims and because vaccine court has paid them money for it after they were able to prove it was caused by vaccines. We know in some rare circumstances children have even died from vaccines as with the recent case in samoa. You can spread germs on hands even if vaccinated, I believe good hygiene and sterilizing the surface of anything you touch / eat off is the key to staying virus free.
seems like you're basing your opinions on unfounded industry "science". Vaccines do not, and never did - contribute towards good health in the least!
GrowingDownUnder yes, i agree with keeping a good hygiene and all that stuff. having yourself vaccined first is your choice anyway. what i learn is that, it’s better to do a prevention first and that’s it.
I think it's easier to say that the risks outweighs the reward until you or child suffers some of those risks.
As Willy Wonka would say: _"strike that - reverse it."_ Your "risk" already exists as the infectious pathogens are out there spreading. Ergo you either stimulate immunity via vaccines which stress your body less - OR - you roll the dice to catch the full-blown illness. That of course comes with vastly higher chances for an adverse outcome. A child unable to abide exposure to a weakened vaccine would more than likely react poorly to simply catching the full-blown illness. Think about it.
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