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0:00 intro
0:36 You're queer even if you suppress your homosexual desires
7:52 There is a scientific basis behind being LGBTQ
13:44 Conversion therapy has positive outcomes
20:06 A healthy family requires a male and female role model
20:20 The Pride Movement is negatively affecting younger generations
29:06 LGBTQ people won't go to heaven
35:18 It's healthy to experiment with sexuality - บันเทิง
Unreleased prompt only on Patreon: bit.ly/3QNhD5F “A healthy family requires a male and female role model.”
☪✝✡ > 🏳🌈⚛
Families need parents. Does not matter what gender they are. If you think otherwise, then you don't belong in modern society.
ban chastity castration please 🥺🥺🥺
kid yall are in delusion and the sience symbol is way bigger than your rapist gods and prophets@@thebanj0271
Why was everything framed from christianity? Bizarre
saying you don’t believe in intersex people to an intersex person is craaazy
It‘s a genetic defect not the norm. Most people have 10 fingers, very few have 11. But to say that humans have 10 or 11 fingers is not correct
@@Dysgenic_yeah but humans can have 11 or 12 fingers and be intersex and there's nothing wrong with that.
@@Dysgenic_So? Something being rare doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
@@CrustyBroBugs There is. It is a sign of developmental instability affecting the whole genome, most likely also the brain.
@@Dysgenic_ Certain eye colors are rare, does that make peopel with that eye color, not exist?
This turned out to be way more religious than I was ready for.
I feel like religion holds a big part in this specific conversation.
It’s one of the main reasons why there are “ex-LGBT” people. They “prayed the gay away” 😂
I do feel like it had to be a religious conversation but it didn't have to be a mono religious conversation. Christianity isn't the only religion that forbids same sex behaviours and it would have been nice to see them represented.
@@abyss1138 it's the only reason. youll never hear about gay people becoming straight through any other means. cuz it doesnt happen
I can’t stand it
ironically, abigail truly has the patience of a saint.
To an extent. She kept rolling her eyes.
But she handled it really well given a lot of the things that were said!
For real she was truly being disrespected and it was pretty disgusting
@@Scarface_445 her rolling her eyes is the literal depiction of her patience..
she had so much grace despite the fact they were literally denying/downplaying her existence to her face 😭😭
@@nixpixl442what grace?? He was a narcissistic vain shallow insecure participant, all he did was fix his hair and his dress every 2 seconds. Also he’s male impersonating a woman
Rashad is fighting his desires so hard, those thoughts are the forefront of his head, even the therapist called out his situation.
I thought the same exact thing!! He seems so unhappy and discontent.
@@mattburton9250 really? he seemed the most enlightened and intelligent out of the group. it takes strength to break free from the woke cult
@@RB-.- Enlightened and Intelligent? He didn’t listen to a single thing anyone else said. Seemed quite the opposite, brainwashed and closed-minded.
@mattburton9250 he definitely needs help, he's in denial
I genuinely feel so bad for him. His eyes are filled with despair
Not my gay thoughts shifting the tectonic plates
Fr 💀
I laughed out loud hahaha
🤣🤣
😭😭😭 we are powerful what can i say
I'm crying 😂
We're 30 seconds in and we're talking about Gay earthquakes... this gon be gud...
Thought you were joking, not even gonna watch the vid💀💀
I was thrown for a loop with that intro 😭
I KNEW gays had super powers!!
He lost me because wtf is he talking about
@@rollitupmarsHe doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He even said “XX that is male” and someone had to correct him and say “no that’s female” 😂
i sometimes forget how scary religious fanaticism can be, like damn…
Ikr 👩🦽
Catholic here🙋🏻♀️ and it makes me so sad to hear that im so sorry you feel that way but may I ask why ?
@@justleslie3897 are you not paying attention? the black kid in the grey shirt and the white tanktop dude were horror stories unto themselves. denying reality? being aggressively ignorant? not having morality of their own? the martyrdom fetish? i guess on their own there is no reason to fear them, but more cultists like that is a recipe for disaster.
@@justleslie3897 this video is one of the reasons why
What's worse?
Human Secularism
It provides NO purpose
As someone who is now a homo and was told my whole life it wasn’t okay to be a homo, I can say that telling people it’s not okay to be gay will not keep them from being gay. Telling your kids it is okay to be gay doesn’t make them gay.
Kids need to be told when they are being led wrong. You are correct to say that "telling your kids it is okay to be gay doesn't make them gay." I only need to tell my kids that being straight is the correct way to live life.
@@walnoemispoyt5604not you pressuring them into being straight
@@brynluciae No it is called being a parent. Your kid tells you that they want keep on eating ice cream. You have to say no and also kids need to be corrected so that they can be proper adults.
@@walnoemispoyt5604 if your kids wanna be gay let them be gay?? at least give them the freedom of choice tf
That boy is fighting his demons and y’all know who I’m talking about
😂 This is hilarious to me, because I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm interested to see how he is in 20 years
Who?
yeah...
@@thejamman-qz2kiguy in gray tank top i believe
He is making a fool out of himself, even the Christian’s are like pls stfu
You can have a productive discussion with people that have different opinions, but you cannot have a productive discussion with people who believe in a different set of facts.
so true omg you put that concept into words so well 😭
But they aren’t discussing facts, they are discussing beliefs. Even if they were discussing differing sets of facts it can still lead to a productive debate. People have debates all the time on different sets of facts, such as democrats and republicans. They both go off of different facts which support their viewpoints, although yes subjective opinions intertwine with their view points, but at the end of the day being bias is inherently apart of being human.
THIS!!
@@cherrysoda2219 💀
Whether a debate revolves around opinions or differing facts it is very much possible to have a productive debate either way, people have debates like this all the time lol….
There were not nearly enough non-Christians on this panel on either side, making the entire conversation VERY frustrating to listen to. The one non-Christian there got completely talked over the entire time.
This video is literally "lgbtq vs lgbtq but lying"
😂
Literally though
yes xD
I would used the world delusional lol same vein but slightly different.
Lmaooo
This ended up being an hourlong Christian theological discussion. I feel badly for Abby as the only non-Christian panelist
It was ROUGH lmao
@@AbigailBeverlyHillzI would've had to say, can we stop making this about Christianity?! Lol
Yeah, because that’s the only reason people are against the LGBT+ community. Which is why including religious people from the LGBT+ community is perfect for this conversation.
wasnt that the point of the episode?
@@rachelt4792I mean it’s not the only reason but definitely the primary one. Still if I was that girl I would’ve been like can we not make everything about Christianity because you can’t make everything about something that not everyone follows. There’s nothing confirmed about it so to make everything you do about it is kinda scary to be honest
A gay person simply existing being the cause of earthquakes and global pandemics is so outlandishly hilarious that only a religious person could come up with.
Not as hilarious as thinking something came from nothing
Not really I've heard a lot of liberals come up with way worse stuff. From magic rocks to star formations.
@@thebanj0271I’m wondering who ever claimed something came from nothing. Also wondering why you think a magical papa just decided to create the world for no reason. Why couldn’t it be a magical all knowing giant rat?
@@ville__How? Is being straight a choice?? Why would I chose to be LBGTQ+ with all of the hate and constant discrimination that we face as a community?
@@thebanj0271bro could lose an argument against himself
As an European I am always blown away with Americans always bringing religion into all possible topics. If we had this debate in Europe religion comments would be 5% of the whole conversation. We have so many things to debate
yeah same
yeah same
Religion is a huge part of life to many people. What planet do you live on?
@@chupacabraazul6669 i live in germany and there are many religious people but they don‘t use their religion to explain arguments during a conversation that much
@@slippery_cow German is becoming a shithole
watching this as an atheist from a predominantly atheist country, this conversation is wild to me. "who allowed you to define yourself?" is such an alien question for me, i would never ask that to another person because for me it isnt something that I should get permission to do so. would have loved it if this conversations was less religious orientated, or some atheists mixed in the conversation to balance it out and get other perspectives and other motives
Thank you!!
Not me actively debating with them in my room😭😂
Omg same 😭
nah fr😭
Me too!
LOL ME TOO😂
Yes you and me too!!!😂
It’s honestly so wild to say that the first place you ever truly felt accepted was at a pride event, to then immediately say they cause earthquakes 💀
A Gay earthquake sounds pretty cool...!!! They're measured by degrees of twerking...!!! (LOL) 🤣
That's normal in religious people. Some Christians perceive that as logical.
According to the Bible sin in general causes calamities. Just read revelation, we are in for a rude awakening, I’m guessing soon rather than later
@@ChemistTea I’m aware, it seems the opposite of logical to me. I would never want to live with that mindset. It sounds exhausting
The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.
rashad is rlly fighting demons like you can hear it in his voice😂😂😂
I think the guy is straight, a Christian apologist. Does not fit the profile of cross dresser and "transgender", seems not to understand homosexuality.
What’s the issue with fighting demons, we all fighting demons?
@@nathanmagallon8769Shut up Nathan
@@nathanmagallon8769it sounds like overcompensation.
@@joemiller7082 might be but at least he’s resisting for he’s beliefs, which shouldn’t be a knock on someone, the one thing I would knock him for is how closed minded he came across for the interngender women
“Gay is causing earthquakes” oh lord. 🤦♀️ I’ll bet he’s a flat earther, too.
Im waving around my choptick in the window trying to summon...i'll get back
ngl, as a straight religious person (muslim), this was still traumatizing, like bro literally looked at her and announced that he doesn't believe in intersex people.
literally???
ok but please tell me tho that i'm not the olnly that got mad that at they they used religion to justify their hate
@ParisPanteli-et1uq religion is technically hate. Not by text, but by act.
Christians love to hate. Not all of them, of course.
yes bro is mad. thanks for your comment my friend.
thats what be belives tho
As a gay person I can confirm we create earthquakes and global pandemics for fun
😂
They are scared of your power.
Was hoping I'd find this comment lol. Sorry for all the hurricanes and tornados, it was just me being trans
Girl…😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
All the ex’s literally proving the opposite point…saying they are still attracted to the same gender, shows they are still gay, they just choose to not act upon those thoughts, or “identify” as lgbtq, despite being that person deep inside themselves.
I feel powerful AF. Not only am I a queer woman of color, a literal life portal but now I have the ability to change the weather! 😂
Likeeee 🤣theyre giving us too much credit
for real im gonna go kiss a girl to get a tempest incoming just for fun LMAO
No, they’re implying divine intervention. Not that gay people are divine.
@@AliciatheCho we’re pretty dang divine tho
Omg you’re storm!
All of the exLgbt admitted they still have the desire. They just dont act on it. Which means thier orientation did not change.
Are all desires natural. Should they be acted on?
@@oluwatoniodetayo3141what do you suppose is reason for why homosexuality shouldn’t be something a person can act on then?
Are you sure about that? 18:04
@@historysyourbestfriend5500
One thing to look out for is the fruits of the desire. Evaluate yourself when you abstain.
Thinking about it while not acting on it, is not abstaining. That's a tough one to learn.
@@oluwatoniodetayo3141 how does that answer my question…
“He’s given me strength to overcome my desires of falling into homosexuality again” so he’s basically admitting that you can’t chose not to be gay 😭
The way this is even up for debate..
It’s ALL up for debate
He is saying you can choose not to act on it
@@TinaMay-rr6xi He's also basically admitting that you can choose to not act on Heterosexuality, but nobody wants to talk about that because Heterosexuality is the " Norm" and you can't discriminate against the " Norm"
@@ville__acting on it is a choice yes, but being gay isn't and that's the point. These people are forcing themselves to not be gay and telling other people that they should be like them 2.
Blind faith is a sickness of the mind.
it’s medicine and it’s the basis of love
@@nick-xv1wl Why?
Actually, it's the lack of faith that is.
@@AshtonStands4Awesome Why?
Gray shirt IS SOOO TRAUMATIZED!!!! He truly needs to face the truth for himself. He has been bible thumped so harshly and needs REAL therapy.
He's been scared straight literally
Would have loved a non religious conversation about this
You can only be an ex gay if you’re religious…
No?? I have an ex gay atheist friend
It’s possible, but a lot of ex-lgbtq in general have religious reasons or healing journey reasons 🤷🏾♀️ it’s not an issue to talk about it. It’s not like they’re forcing them to do something they don’t want to do. They are just sharing THEIR experiences. ❤
@@Mac-ff3llirrational. Likes change. Can happen.
@@Mac-ff3llI don't think that's true. You can be ex-gay due to societies' pressures and other environmental factors. Being gay was a crime in the Soviet Union even though the Soviet Union encouraged atheism for a great majority of its population.
So they’re still gay, they just don’t act on it anymore. So they’re just celibate. How does that make them not gay anymore?
Exactly what I was thinking! They’re still gay!
You can change your feelings. That’s what lgbtq is, personal feelings. They will have Hetero marriages in the future and will be fulfilling god’s plan
@@michaelplauche9901lgbtq is something you cannot change…😭😭😭 they can believe they’re changed if they’d like, but they’re still gay and they need to accept that and understand it’s okay.
@@ashtonb7931 homosexuality isn’t genetics, it’s a feeling. You can change your feelings
@@ashtonb7931Right?!
Adding an intersex perspective to this was beautiful and something I'd never think of.
They suppressed their desires, who they truly are. That is depressing living a lie.
Telling Abigail that you disregard her existence is INSANE 😂
My bombastic side eye every time he spoke 😂
@@AbigailBeverlyHillz😅😅
@@ville__ so your saying you like men but your choosing to like women?
@@ville__she’s not even gay?……
@@ville__ Lol we loved our choice...... waste your negative energy elsewhere🤦🏾♀🤦🏾♀🤦♀🤦♀
The "XX that is male" and the " no that's female" part got me LMAO 😅😅😅😅😅
SAMEEE like bro came in here not knowing the only fact I retained from freshman year biology 😭
me too bro 💀 and he sounded so confident about it too like it was some gotcha moment
Only males have the Y Chromosome, not females.
XY is male and XX is female
it's around 11:14 if anyone wants the timestamp btw
Girl said she felt the Holy Spirit whilst kissing another girl!😂😂
Even for a non Christian that’s so wild.
She kept referrinv to her heart and how she felt. All I could think of is Jeremiah 17:9-10
It is wild, it's very clear she's never actually read the Bible.
as a lqbtq christian, this is so painful to watch. it isn’t a sin to love another sex. this is why most ppl don’t wanna convert. they use religion to be a bigot.
As a lgbtq atheist this was super painful to watch
I felt so heartbroken for Abigail because how dare rashad try to tell her that her LITERAL existence isn’t real?! She is literally sitting there telling you she was BORN intersex. Like wtf
There's no such thing as intersex, she is a female, she has XX chromosomes, and she has genital deformities.
@@IAmTheTruth139ignorance is real
The word truth is overused and in this case incorrectly used.
YouAreTheLiar666@@IAmTheTruth139
Abigail has an XX chromosome with a defect. So she is female, with a defect. Just like any person who had a genetic defect. There is no person who is both XX and XY.
@@IAmTheTruth139 Clearly you're not educated whatsoever and posted some myopic comment.
I wish jubilee would do cat people vs. dog people. I think they think it isn’t serious enough but I think it would be their most popular video
Agreed lol
Yess
❤
I volunteer as a cat person lol
omg i would love that
“Sexuality is a choice” That is one of the most dangerous close minded things to say in this situation.
Trust me if it was i choice i WOULD NEVER like men😭😭😭
@@emmasanginiti1123 Yeah I was about to say if it was a choice I would never find women attractive
@@user-ce2fi5yk6i de gustibus bro, i understand tho
Not Samuel comparing being gay to getting McDonald's 💀💀
Lmaoo
"Being gay causes earthquakes". 😂 Americans are a diff breed.
Haha so true.
That SENT me
The way they all shook their head in aggreement took me tf out
This hurt me as a geologist lol. Im not against religion but I cant stand religious people who dismiss thousands of years of science.
God’s wrath is real, and western society will turn out to be like Sodom and Gomorrah unless something is done to combat lgbt evil degeneracy.
the nerve of him to refer to abigail as his friend after calling her demonic and denying her existence is crazzzzy
"Hate the sin love the sinner" is a bunch of patronising crap
@@theguywhoisaustralian1465 real
@@theguywhoisaustralian1465lol I would’ve said back “well this sinner doesn’t love you”
@@theguywhoisaustralian1465can't accept the truth?
@michaeljohndadd545 The truth of what? That organised religion has become a rich and evil tax free haven of an excuse to preach hate under the guise of salvation, while also committing most of the sins they claim to be against and controlling their brainwashed masses?
That truth?
The dude who dropped major bars in the last 30 seconds deserves some sort of award.
In my opinion, these people were all "too religious" for this episode.
I can just as well say these people are “too sinful” Works both ways 😂
Ex-LGBTQIA+ people took the phrase "delulu is the solulu" quite literally😂
Fr
@@ville__stop commenting this on every comment… like no one cares
@@ville__you don't have any content befr...
😂😂😂
@@ville__ur actually so odd
Jubilee is one of the only shows that make me genuinely start tweaking
It is midnight here and I thought you say "Jubilee is one of the only shows that make me genuinely start twerking" 😭😭😭
Fr bro some of these ppls beliefs are sooo out there, like how pride festivals start earthquakes 😭
@@ILoveCats69875 if gay sex really cause earthquake, a country should be proud of it, they will be the world's deadliest weapon. Just give them a mission, vacation to the enemy nation, and have the WILDEST sex ever happen in human history at the target location.
No fr bruh 😭
@@ILoveCats69875 this just goes to show you how lost ppl are
“It’s not up to me to get to define who I am” bro WHAT🤨 you’re legit the ONLY person who gets to define that
No. Who you are is determined in the whom as far as gender. It's up to your parents to give you a name, and the government to give you an identity document. You don't get to define yourself.
@@BorisVixen what? why cant i change my name or my identity if i so choose?
@@tara8348 You may change your name, but that's just changing your name. No one can change their sex/gender, nor where they were born, nor who their parents are.
*kisses partner
*looks out window
*whaddya know, no earthquake!
Babe, better kiss me again, harder! 😅
“I don’t see intersex” is the same as “I don’t see skin color” LMFAO. Like it’s still there 💀
It was not in the same context. "I don't see skin colour" means I treat you the same as white, black, hispanic person.
"I don't see intersex" in that context ment he don't acknowledge her being intersex, because he believes there are only men and women. Which is the complete opposite of "I don't see skin colour"
@@SIAN_1 I don’t see skin color seems like an ok statement but it’s subtly racist. It’s diminishing the fact that their skin color IS different. It reminds me of the way he’s diminishing her gender because he doesn’t believe in intersex. Doesn’t change the fact that she physically is.
That’s definitely not the same lol.
@@kickroxanne you have to look at the underlying commonalities. If you think about it, definitely is the same lmfao. Stating you don’t see a certain characteristic of a person because of your beliefs is just weird and nobody wants to hear it.
@@kickroxanne I’m not saying he said it in the same context. I’m saying both statements are just as weird as eachother if that makes more sense LOL.
Can we seriously have a conversation that isn't about "gay is wrong because religion"
frrr
I read a comment Gilbert made in the comment section that said ex-gays are mainly religious because it is based in religion and it’s not really a secular concept. Im surprised by that though and find it hard to believe. You’re telling me that there isn’t someone who was like I’m ex-gay cuz I wanted kids and someone to have the kids with and to raise them with ???
It is tiring to have religion the main subject
well that’s bcos there are no secular arguments against homosexuality
They literally cannot. How many atheist homophobes/ex lgbt do you know?…. Religion is literally the only argument against homosexuality.
i would feel so safe in a room with that blonde woman. she radiates so much love
It is insane how this debate turned into a Christian centered discussion instead of a LGBTQIA+ middle ground in the matter of the first 30 seconds. Props to Abigail for staying strong & still respecting every panelist while being disregarded for her identity.
Yeah, I really wish they'd make sure to have at least a few non-religious people. Abigail clearly being the only person not rooted in religion had her automatically backed into a corner.
ikr.
I think it's hard to find people who are Anti-LGBT and it has nothing to do with religion
And I think the only way for there to be common ground was to have religious lgbtq that way they could have a meeting point
It would honestly be the only way those Anti-LGBTQ folk would be able to have a leg to stand on
The moment they took Christianity out it would've been a total bashing and I'm pretty sure those anti-LGBTQ folk would've immediately felt disrepect and and attacked and then they would play victim and it would look bad overall
The conversation was about ex-gay and ex-lgbt versus LGBTQ and the explanation of being “ex” was because of their faith not on your own. So that is why it was surrounded by biblical statements.
Because it's what that community rebels against. They rebel against religion and how you are supposed to live. That's just not inclusive to Christianity. It's all religions that have say homosexuality is a sin
“XX that is male” said so confidently 😭 like bro doesn’t know basic biology
he said it as a question though because he didn't know 😭
I did a double take there. It was definitely a question he was making sure he was on the same page
And you don't have basic comprehension skills.
don't be dense he was asking her to verify. use your brain.
@@lailaeman01 No he didn't, you're trying to change the narrative, he was corrected immediately after
I’m so happy to hear from someone that is intersex. People like her have been around for ages, yet we don’t really discuss them. Sending love and light to them.🫶🏽
Cuz intersex ppl are super rare, an exception to the rule…. A shame she still struggling to come to grips with her reality n ppl around her failing her
Somebody needs to keep a real close eye on rashad's wife and children
"I don't see any intersex" setting next to an intersex person. 10/10
Helen Keller’s spirit possessed Rashad every time I spoke…because he became blind and deaf every time I spoke.
@@AbigailBeverlyHillz😂😂
@@AbigailBeverlyHillz🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
How do we really know? Because she said it? I am probably wrong but I think Abby is a transwoman cosplaying
@@AbigailBeverlyHillzyou are a hypocrite. You rolled your eyes and discredited anything he said religious.
This episode should be titled:
- '8 people talk about christianity' 💀
😂😂😂😂
hellelujah!
Ong , even the prompts were religious talking about “heaven” and such…They should‘be just made this an episode on LGBTQ & Christianity
7 people talk about Christianity and 1 Abigail sits there feeling really awkward (but still totally slays!)
The gay earthquake thing got me
bro is married with a child on the way and he's STILL GAY
This should be renamed Religion vs LGBTQ
More like Christianism vs LGBTQ
Hindus, Buddhists, Jainists, the Bahai doesn’t even care if you’re LGBT.
i dissagree only becuase some of the lgbtq folks were religious
@@EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE3EEEEEEEEEEbut ultimately they chose religion
ikrrrrrrr
@@EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE3EEEEEEEEEE
It's not really "religion," it's "Christianity." They didn't introduce Buddhism, Muslim, Jewish, or any other religion. They mentioned Baptist and Catholic. And Candace seems to be living under her own set of beliefs she's calling Christianity and it's not.
Kind of odd casting as 7/8 people are christian so of course the majority of the conversation will be surrounded around religion. Feel bad for Abigail, but she has held her own throughout the entire debate. Would love to have her on again, her voice is very important.
If you are talking about morality then religion will inevitably get involved.
Yes, would LOVE to see her more
@@alphauno6614It doesn’t need to be, and luckily the world is changing in that way.
These people are not blindly casted. She probably put forward that she has experienced a religious lifestyle before. She went to church and went to a catholic school lol
yeah, the whole convo is circular and goes nowhere
LIVING for Abigail's reactions and facial expressions in this video she's fabulous!
Abigail face expressions throughout the session... Hahaha... Living
Okay so what I’m really finding unfortunate is that all ‘ex-LGBTQIA+’ argue from a religious standpoint. In this case I don’t know why there was a Middle Ground episode when there obviously won’t be a middle ground because of different moral standpoints.
Religion is their moral basis, if you dont like the fact that their morality is different then yours, its your problem, not theirs.
@@tgr5312 That’s not what I’m arguing. Maybe read again. But I’m arguing is that this debate is completely useless because people won’t find middle ground because of arguing solely from their moral standpoints.
Exactly, it leaves no room for going forward in a conversation
@@tgr5312Yes because at 24:45 they’re totally debating something
I also think the notion that being gay occurs naturally is wrong. The only animals that do it with the same sex arent exclusively doing it with same sex and they are typically species with high sex drives like dolphins sheep beetles etc. its not naturally occurring it never was. Thats like saying Humans came up with the term homosexual because they were homo erectus. To answer your comment it seems like the only way out of the gay ideology is to adopt a more omnipotent one. Like belief in a higher power than yourself.
I loved how Gilbert spoke up for Abigail IMMEDIATELY. he didn’t let that slide for even one second and i respect that so much and he came with his facts i loved that
Thank you so much!! I have been bullied with the Bible before I learned it inside and out for myself. I wasn’t going to allow someone else to be abused.
Abigail shouldn’t of even been there, intersex shouldn’t even be apart of the LGB community and neither should trans because one should never mix biology and sexuality that is what’s created so much craziness within the community for starters.
stop. just stop. your premise is incorrect to begin with, it has always been lgbT. Literally since the beginning. Why? because the people that want trans people dead also want LGB people dead, hate all of us the same, and see no difference between us. Trying to make it "LGB" just creates an unnecessary wedge in a community that has already progressed along side eachother in this society @@nate2759
@@GilbertGTVyou’re fuc*ing amazing. I would have done the same and I was like YESSSS FREAKING TELL THEM. The disrespect
@@Chocokitty57Thank you, love!! 🙏🏼❤️
i really hope Rashad can acknowledge the other parts of him and be himself one day☹️
Is no one else going to acknowledge at 18 minutes dude said he legit has no more attraction towards men and has a wife with a kid on the way? No?
Abigail's mere existence destroys their arguments EVERY TIME
And they can’t stand and it…🤣
Exceptions are not the rule, it is extremely rare for people to be born that way. It makes less sense than parking minimums to try to base an abnormality with the norm. It is an abnormality for a reason, if there was no normal than nothing would be abnormal aka not the norm aka rare aka uncommon. It is like raining fish. Everytime it rains fish do not fall from the sky. It is a rare phenomenon that needs a certain amount of circumstances in place to happen. But it doesn't happen often.
@@rosiekuder6877being born intersex is as common as being born ginger. It is no where near “extremely rare”.
Intersex people's existence doesn't prove that homosexuality is moral. One does not follow the other
Her existence is like the missing puzzle piece. If human beings can be born any combination of intersex (XY with a girl body or XX with a man's body) how could anyone doubt that brain which is also part of DNA can be affected as well and someone can have an XY brain with an XX body and vice versa. It's as simple as 1+2 =3 vs 2+1=3. The opposite can be true as well.
Abigail’s voice is SOOOO important in this conversation, it’s like she said we HARDLY ever hear from intersex ppl.
I can't tell if she was pro LGBT or not
@@yosaifgrossman2476 wdym
I would have liked to see an asexual person in this discussion
Not really transgenderism as we know it today and intersexuality are not the same and aren't related in any way so her experience really adds nothing to this conversation
but why is it important though? what important distinction does intersex bring to this discussion?
Hope the guy that thinks gay is a sin then he never cuts his hair, never gets a tattoo, never everything really. As a Christian i can regulate the differences between the bible and the time the bible was writen.
The final statement was everything!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Jubilee always be coming up with the wildest of topics
☪✝✡ > 🏳🌈⚛
@@ville__It's really not. These people are either closeted again or were never gay to begin with.
@@ville__only if ur a bisexual
@@thebanj0271 ew
@@ville__ ew
Abigail was a much-needed voice on this panel. Very frustrating watching people question the validity of her lived reality to her face, but I hope those who need to hear voices like hers can through this video.
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she doesn't belong on this panel at all, since it's not about intersex people who have a different set of chromosomes. VERY different from homosexuality entirely.
Gay in the title is clearly being used as an umbrella term for the LGBTQ+ community, which Abigail is a member of and an important voice in.
Voice of what? She shouldn't be on the panel. She just there with a victim mentality
As a representative for intersex and trans people. The I in LGBTQIA+ stands for intersex. I’m done engaging in this conversation. We love you Abigail!!
5 min and this is turning into a Christian camp conversion camp
the “identity in christ” thing is scary, that you have to be told by someone who you are? someone you’ve never met, someone who’s identity themselves is questionable. surrender to that??? chileee
Gilbert calling Rashad out for denying Abigails intersexuality is the best for me. I appreciate him for that
He was just sooo dramatic. Like, bro, chill.
You either have XX or XY. Abigail has XX with defect somewhere in her gene code. So she is a female with a defect. Same as a person who genetically cannot grow hair. It does not make them an egyptian cat lol
@@jhedjoardumago7691Dude you literally described what intersex is (although badly) in that first part. Google is free, educate yourself
@@jhedjoardumago7691It’s insane how you perfectly explain what intersex is and why it’s real, but don’t understand it.
@@jhedjoardumago7691she was assigned male at birth it's the opposite of androgen insensitivity syndrome where a woman is born with XY Chromosomes.
I love that an intersex person was on this panel.
Thank you so much! I was grateful to be there
Why? Does the exception make a rule?
@@sobeliever1638there are millions of intersex humans.
@@sobeliever1638 it’s funny people like you “well exceptions” are the type to use “well these people are only 1% of population” and think because that percentage has “1” it’s insignificant when percentages represent amounts, that 1% can represent 100 MILLION people and in fact, 1.60% of people are intersex, that percentage represents around 100 million people. That is literally an amount of people a large whole country.
@@sobeliever1638the whole science of biology is the so called science of exemptions so dont come here pointing at and acting like u know what you are talking about since you dont even own a mere knowledge of biochemistry. Coming from a BioChem Major, please educate yourself before you speak hatred. Biology is way WAY more complex than what you may think or have thought. Goodnight and also 1% of the world isnt a very small percentage if u think that its equal to about 80 million people.
“DNA cannot predict sexuality”
Yeah and DNA cannot predict your religious beliefs too 😭🤡
Well its a choice to believe
I'm pretty sure believing that your personal decisions can cause natural disasters is a sign of a far larger issue.
I'm genuinely shocked about how many ex-lgbt consistently use their religion as their only talking point. It's literally completely irrelevant if you don't follow christianity. I'm from the UK and idk whether it's a cultural difference but I feel like religion is never brought up this much surrounding political or social debates. America seems like an alternate universe to me
They do be talking like in a cult somehow ngl
@@Dakyta252 They are in the cult christianity and islam are both death cults as are all monotheistic religions and organized religions who require blind believe in fantasy fairytales that have zero facts to back them up and hate critical thinking and any deviation from their cult rhetoric.
@@secularhumanistforever Yup. Couldn't have said it better.
@@schneedgod what did they say? I can't see their comment.
They do sound like thy are at peace with themselves tho compared to the average person ngl
I am so incredibly grateful to Abigail being so confident and open to bring her story to us the viewers. We hear so little about the lived realisties of intersex people, and I am grateful to learn more about it.
Thank you so much 🥺❤️
@@AbigailBeverlyHillz I love your drag, and I LOVED YOU ON THIS EPISODE. Thank you for speaking out.
@@AbigailBeverlyHillzfor real, I know so little about the intersex community despite being LGBTQ myself! It was so cool to learn more from a group that’s so often brushed under the rug, thanks you for sharing with all of us!
Idk, in the scope of this conversation idk how it was relevant. This was a very theocratic episode and her existence really wasnt called to question.
Thas the point of the video, to educate N learn abt different mfs💯
So being gay makes us earthbenders...
Niccce.
Thanks for telling us and the arguments were very interesting and helpful to people's future
we need one of these without religious people arguing with religion, it‘s always the same discussion that leads nowhere
It literally leads to nowhere, Christianity is a “belief” system. There is no logical argument to be made, so it’s a wash
You’ve had plenty of these videos without religious people and for you to just ex out religious people is incredibly disgusting of you they are apart of society just like any one else please hush
I had the same thought but as soon as the discussion moves past religious arguments against gay/bi/trans identities there's really no rational or scientific arguments that hold water. Which is why the "ex-LGBTQIA" folks were so reliant on religious arguments alone
A huge portion of ex gay people are ex gay due to Christianity. We can't ignore them because it is so huge of a deal.
@@Sejjjeeit’s because their whole argument is that it’s a sin and then that’s the end of the conversation
Of course people are allowed to repress their desires, but I would never let a loved one date an "ex" LGBT person. You're only setting yourself up for heartbreak if you date a gay person repressing their feelings.
100%
oh yes, the amount of times i've heard about women finding on their husbands were cheating on them with men..
That could be true
What's worse?
A person that believes LIES from the DEVIL and twist scriptures to make them FEEL BETTER.
@@user-hy1mh8bu2ulies from the devil?
This ended up being a Christian theological discussion. If more non-religious people were able to get on the panel, then it could have led to a more interesting discussion.
not bro calling ru paul a demonic entity
LMAOOOO I mean I see it 😂😂🤣
Rashad saying he loves Abigail and is friends with Abigail after saying she doesn’t exist is insane 💀
Don't distort his words. He is only saying she is not gender-fluid. She was still ONE GENDER or the other. As he sees it, she agreed. She is a female with some male parts.
@@kstevenson3504 he said "I don't believe in inter-sex people" and gender is a social construct. unlike your face which needs a re-construct
the opposite really. she's obviously male with some female aspects. @@kstevenson3504
@@kstevenson3504Out of all the other Ex-LGBTQIA panelists that I can understand, he seems to be the most ignorant & stubborn one of all. And blatantly denied the existence of intersexuality which has been proven to exist through medical science lol!
@@natara2384intersex are anomalies of the male or female sex categories. They might have characteristics of the opposite sex, but scientifically they are either male or female. They are not a third sex or both sexes. Abigail prefers to present as female over male or something else, bc there’s only two sexes.
The act of sex is a choice, Sexuality isn’t a choice, your attracted to who you’re attracted to.
Is it ok for someone to date the same sex as long as they don’t have sex?
@@LuaLaustak idc. Why, how or who. Why do you?
@@CityBoiATX no im asking for myself lol hahah Id never judge anyone for what they wanna do in bed im just fourteen and since seven I’ve liked girls and only girls as a girl so I’ve always hated myself for it and stuff so i just wanted to know dw
@@LuaLaustak if you are asking me for yourself then you’re asking the wrong person. Who you decide to love is none of my concern.
What about adults who are sexually attracted to children? What's going on there then?
I love these Jubilee discussions.
Abigail's facial expressions were exactly how I felt at every point watching this video. Her and I were on the exact same wavelength. 😂
This was painful to listen to. In any religion, if it makes you see people as evil just because of who they love, I pity them. There needs to be much more love in the world. Makes me so sad
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This!
Sinner
@@Bus7585religious fanatic
we don’t see people as evil…
we are all sinned. so it doesn’t put christians on a pedestal. its just some of us who are opinionated and overradical.
You can tell Rashaad is hurting. No one is that preachy without burying alot of trauma.
I appreciate your empathetic observation. Honestly, it's true. He's a new Christian, husband and soon-to-be father and he's very young. I don't think he should've been on this panel. I think he'll regret it in years to come. I'm not convinced by his "transformation." It's way too new for him to come out swinging this hard especially when his experience is closer to the current LGBT than the ex-LGBT. We should've seen way more compassion from him to the current LGBT.
I feel really sorry for his wife. It's obvious that he is not really comfortable with his new found situation. He is repressing so much and so hard. It is bound to come out in unhealthy ways. It will either come out as cheating, leaving his wife, or (what is most worrying to me) he will take out his frustrations on his wife and kids.
@@uscitizen3252 That's just bad of you to assume things that hasnt happened and arent true. That's why you are dishonest and its bad for society what you are doing.
@@shalini_sevani Stop assuming you are a horrible person.
@@JesusSavesTheLostBrokenConfuseit’s amazing how they refuse to believe that being a Christian can change someone’s from being gay. Lol
crazy people talking about religion as if its real
I am sooo glad Abigail was present… the reality of her gender and the way she explained her circumstances really forced the ex-lgbt people to confront their ignorance in hiding behind scripture
Intersex and the lgbt community aren’t the same. She can be both sure, but the fact that she is intersex doesn’t make her ain’t he lgbt community
I would love a recheck of this group 5 years from now.
Me too. I don't think this is going to age well.
The crutches that people use to get by is interesting.
Frfr
this comment should be pinned haha
Absolutely! Would be especially interesting seeing how things pan out with Rashaad.
Seriously
Abigail’s facial expressions throughout this are oddly synched with mine 😭
yep!!
I literally had to pause and laugh every time, because how she felt was 100% accurate.
seemed like she was on crack
that's so real
she was my fav omg i felt heard
The sassiness of the ex gay boys speaks volumes 😂 you cant change who you are my guys yall allowed ppl to scare yall into that book that has books missing from it
“There something you can’t unsee or undone” very true