There is no way they didn't know these engines would end up like this. If they didn't, they have no business building cars. If they did, they have no business building cars!!
just had ours done, on a focus £1000. by a local garage after some searching, ford dealers wanted £1500. ten years old 37,000 on the clock. bloody madness.
😂 The most dumb ass design on the planet. Why people buy Fords or any engine with a wet belt is beyond me??? 😅😅 It's a money making racket Nowt to do with tech progress. The only good thing about it is it punishes folk who choose to ignore the maintenance schedule by trashing the engine when the belt snaps or fowls the oil pump 😂 Not good for the planet though as this design promotes throw away cars ⚠️
We have just sold very cheaply my daughter's ecoboost fiesta, Timing belt going, cracking car BUT. I am frankly gobsmacked at your engineering ability, i service small strimmer lawnmower engines but your expertise is on a totally different level,well done.
Citroen/Peugeot went this way with the 1.2 PureTech engine. There's one place for those belts, and that is around the neck of the designers. Court case already started in the Netherlands by owners of damaged engines.
@@bazmeredith I bet... Your video shows one and all the amount of work that goes into rectifying this Wet Belt renewal... Wha you've now posted should now put customers minds at ease. Keep up the fantastic work..... Enjoy your weekend mate👍👍👍👍 where are you located??????
@@bazmeredith I'm down by Cardigan.... Pity the distance.... I'm on the lookout for a honest, trustworthy and professional garage..... They are few and far between down West Wales.....😞😞
Top job. You are an astonishingly smart, able & patient mechanic. My 2019/20 Ford has a 1.5 eco boost engine. I usually only buy 2 litre automatic cars, but made an exception in this case because of the vehicle's other features. It's still running alright at 37k miles, & I know that it is the earlier & 1 litre eco-boost engines that are particularly vulnerable; but had I known about the wet-belt arrangement, at the time I bought it, I wouldn't even have considered the purchase. Stupidly, I thought it had a Timing Chain. Now I've seen your remarkable video, I'm disillusioned with Ford, because of this silly engine design; built muvh more for the convenience of Ford than the owner. At least I know what to keep my eye on now & what my local garage mechanics might have to do.. Best to you.
The total brake failure that my son experienced while coming off the slip road at Junction 10 on the M23 motorway was terrifying and he (and his apprentice) were fortunate not to have been involved in a major accident at this busy junction. The cause of the failure is well documented - the use of the wet belt inside the EcoBoost engine causes delamination over time. Debris from it eventually clogs the pick up pipe and vacuum pump which then fails causing the brake pedal to go hard. The brake pedal simply cannot be depressed to slow the vehicle no matter how hard you try. He is self-employed and relies on his Ford Transit Custom van everyday. It is currently at a Hendy Ford garage awaiting a goodwill gesture from Ford - as it is a few months out of warranty - yet the wet belt was not due to be changed for another 30,000 miles at the earliest.The current estimated cost of the repairs are £1,800! In addition, the failure of the wet belt may have caused damage to the turbo and the cost to replace it would be £1,000 according to Hendy. He has had the vehicle regularly serviced - using the specified oil. Ford have a duty to undertake the repairs - and cover any additional damages resulting from the delamination of the wet belt but they are digging their heels in - offering a fraction of the repair cost.
Any manufacturer can have issues, they only buy in parts and assemble them, it's how they deal with problems that separates professional businesses from the clowns
Like Fujitsu and the Post Office or Boeing and the 737 Max 8? There is a rumour among vehicle aficionados that if the cost of the recall is more than the money spent on compensation because of the fault, then the vehicle does not get recalled. The equation is pretty simple: A= number of incidents per manufacturing line. B= the average cost of compensation for faulty cars. C= the duration of that specific production line. D= the total cost of that production line recall. If A x B x C < D, then there is no recall. Simple.@@dreddwailing5505
The wet belt design is a disaster that quite a few manufacturers have used in recent engine designs- the purpose being to reduce friction losses and lower CO2 output. The gains are truly minimal. The replacement of these belts is so time consuming plus the damage caused by their early failure is pretty awful. We ended up buying a Mazda 2 instead of a Fiesta to avoid this dreadful engine design. Best decision ever as the Mazda's a much better car with its reliability record.
@@dreddwailing5505 rover had something (I cannot remember the exact number) like a 1000% percent more faulty parts per 100000 than Toyota many years ago
I’m currently watching this on the treadmill in the gym awaiting for my timing belt to be replaced on my Ford eco-boost fiesta and I was curious at how it was done (I have no clue about cars) and this was so satisfying to watch 😮 - knowing the skill and graft that goes into this job is pretty phenomenal. Great vid 👏🏼 and great accent!
We had a 2013 fiesta ecoboost in the same colour copper pulse. We got to 9 years old and 108'000 miles with just service items and an exhaust back box and front wishbones. Got a quote for the 2 belts (the timming belt and oil pump belt) £1300😮 Decided to part chop as it was a 1/3 rd of the cars worth. Must be hundreds out there on a 13 plate with the original belt (10 years or 150' 000 miles, which ever comes first) If ever the saying " knowledge is power" applied to buying an ecoboost engined ford😮😮
@@DonLight413 Not everyone will have this issue if they follow the correct servicing schedule using correct oil, however this depends if they own the vehicle long enough for the belt to deteriorate and how much they drive it. Your engine will not go bang they do not do this anymore, this used to happen because the old Focuses used to have plastic coolant lines which would vibrate and pop and then the engine would overheat and gain high pressure all around the crankcase block anywhere where coolant should be. Although they don't go bang anymore, they will damage themselves when the belt starts to deteriorate because the oil cannot get through the gauze in the sump quick enough as it is blocked and therefore scoring and pitting will occur to the block and once you've damaged the block so much you will basically need an engine rebuild. Just take good care of your car, follow the servicing and if it sounds like it is running rough it probably is, better to be safe than sorry with these
I've done a few now, that lower ac bolt seems to be always a problem, not snapped one yet but have used heat from the induction heater and lot of patience.
Would be useful having a hole in the sump pan to inspect the belt? A hole with a plate and with a sort of gasket to unscrew when we want to inspect the belt
Great job, this looks like its far beyond most home diy guys, i have done a cambelt on an old 406 and was piss easy engine mount removed, lower engine a bit and i used some drill bits to lock the top cam pulleys and another for the crank pulley smug fit just easy enough no special tools needed, only bit that was a ball ache was the tenioner wich i didnt change it had a weird not so square slot but an old socket adaptor that i ground down with an angle grinder took few test fits but got it snug and i could put a decent amount of pressure on it and did up the main bolt and hey presto cambelt done, lasted over 6 years and around 70 k miles after i did it so i did something right but this wet belt thjng is so complicated i cannot see myself trying it not worth the hassle!
Fare play doing the 406 t belt memories of them. Whole different ball game there.. Need a lift and know what your doing so much crap under the bonnet now
@MP-po6fj thanks buddy, I was younger then, stronger and more flexible, I have a 2007 fusion 1.6 petrol now well overdue the cam belt watched a few videos online to see how it's done, doesn't look too hard, not as simple as the 406 but alot easier than those wet belts, don't know if I can really be bothered to do it myself especially water pump want to do it properly this time nit just the belt so may hand it over to the pros will save me a hell of a lot of time, probably worth the money, although it looks like I could would still need a special tool or make something up to lock the cam, don't know why they make it so hard now, ok if you had to do it say every 150k like alot of cam chains had one go bad on a vectra had barley done 100k and may have been a tension but either way would have to take it all apart that was nightmare of a job after looking at how to do it I scrapped the car 😆 🤣
A few years ago, Chrysler decided to place the water pump in the crankcase of a 2.7- liter V6 engine. When they began to leak antifreeze into the oil, you had a white milky engine oil with a blown head gasket soon to follow. Have a look at this brilliant move as well. How to replace the battery on a Dodge Avenger. It is worth a look.
I work with wet belts in an industrial setting, they are subject to far higher heat and stresses than you would find in any engine. I have changed many on routine maintenance; some have been in service over 10 years and were in perfect condition when removed with no degradation or missing pieces. This can only be Ford using cheaper belts to keep the costs down. If you can get them use Continental Syncrochain belts, they are not cheap but are the best the business in wet belt technology.
Bought a 2014 ecooboost about a year and a half ago. Had 45k KM on it when I bought it but was addament that I wanted the timing belt replaced before we bought it. Managed to strike a deal with the garage before I got it so it was a "cheaper" job. Was always curious as to how much of a pain it actually was, seeing as I only know it from what I read. Thanks for the insights!
Our main Ford garage quoted £1700 all in and an independent quoted us £900. Many garages not keen due to the complexity and tool requirements it seems. Think Ford were quoting something like 10 hours work or something crazy! Not sure what the average going job rate is or how long it takes once you know what you are doing.
@@jawa350zoli The problem with chains is that they stretch, putting the timing out. A toothed belt is actually better, and running it in oil reduces friction, so the concept is good. Sadly, the execution isn't.
Apart From Possibly Being Quieter I Dont See Any Advantage Of A Wet Belt Over A Conventional Timing Chain . Except A Wet Belt Could Be More Prone To Breaking , We Seem To Be In An Era Of Disposable Engines . Glad I No Longer Do Any Mechanic Work .
@@bazmeredith I did a egr cooler on a Audi what a utter cluster fuck 4 hours of hell and the boss still was a ass hole £30000 of tools with my own money and no respect
I am completely in disbelief! A "wet" timing belt?? 😮 I'm not even close to being a engineer and even i know rubber and oil don't mix.. But then ford goes, you know what let's run the timingbelt through the oil! That'll make customers come back for repairs.... 😮😅
Baz, I've done cambelt and head gasket change on my rover 416 , also on my vw 1,9 tdi twice. that is doable in the carpark, with simple tools, but this ford ecoboost is a piece of junk. thanks for sharing this with us.
You didn’t show the nightmare with tightening the crank pulley up with a torque multiplier 😮 Absolutely essential in doing these engines with the floating crank.
Ford wanted their head examined fitting these wet belts,the dry belts were bad enough but this was downright stupidity,as usual from Ford anything to save a few pence per vehicle and to hell with the costs to the unfortunate owner who has to foot the bill for this rubbish,it’s no wonder their loosing sales to the competition.
Little bit of heat and a blunt air chisel on the corner of the AC pump.... Really common for snapping once the pump is off you can use mole grips to get the broken piece out
I read that Ford are doing a recall on all Ecoboost engines…..in Australia !!! Seems to be that amounts to taking responsibility for a poor design and that it should be equally applicable in the U.K. ?
How long are these belts lasting? I know the US Ford EcoSports with 1.0L had some issues with the tensioner and pulley and the oil pump belt. '16-'18 Fiesta models were part of a TSB. '18-'19 Ecosport models were impacted. Supposedly engines built after April 2019 aren't affected. I have a 2020 Ecosport. Tomorrow I will surpass 100,000mi on my drive to work. So far, no issues at all I'm aware of. I am rather particular with maintenance I regularly change the oil and I use nothing but full synthetic. Been using OW-20 to maximize cold start flow and maximize flow into the strainer assuming it has some rubber bits partially clogging it up.
It seems to be the oil used on top of a bit of luck that determines the belts life. It is important that the right grade *and* specification of oil is used. On my fiesta 1.0 that's 5w-20 and the spec is wss- something, you'd have to look it up.
My daughter had one of theses engines in her fiesta, the dashboard was showing a check engine oil warning light, nothing wrong with the oil level as checked by the AA, at ONLY 30,000 miles the engine wasn’t pumping oil around the engine as there was a problem with the belt, long storey short, she got a replacement car as hers needed a new engine.
Got a 2016 1.0 eco zetec S 72k miles showing no warning signs of needing this done when would be the best time to get this done not looking to do it any time soon as an expensive fix
Great video, thanks. I recently got a 2nd hand Fiesta with 1.0 EcoBoost, so have been looking into this. It is a 2014 model with nearly 86k on the clock, and I don't know if the belt has been replaced or not. How often do they need replacing? Shall I get mine done?
I'd get it replaced, as long as it has regimental full service. I serviced a friends EcoBoom's car at 27k, Told him to part ex it at 70K, To at least give the new owner a chance. He got given this amazing unicorn, It's a 2017 model with so low miles, Serviced yearly by ford!
@@monkehbitch Thanks for the advice. Mine doesn't say that the belt has or hasn't been done. A local garage reckons it has, since it's at 86k miles. I'm going to see him tomorrow and see if he can give me a quote.
@@mintydog06 is there no way of finding out if it’s been done? Be a shame to spend that sort of money if it’s already been replaced. Any signs of wear on the bolts being loosened and retightened for example.
Doesn't anyone offer a cam chain conversion to replace the wet belts ? As sounds like a bit of a lottery as to when the wet belts need replacing! Interesting vid 👍
Thanks for the video ! Just a simple question, is that 90000 miles or km? I think it's miles but juste to be sure... And how many years since the last belt replacement ?
I changed the belts without the multiplier, with a big 3/4 inch drive torque wrench that goes up to 450 Nm. I was able to do the 300Nm + 90°.But you have to stand under the car ,I don't think there's any other way without the multiplier. I set the torque wrench to the max of 450 Nm for the final 90°, and it actually clicked..
Reel’em in! Reel’em in! I got a 1.0 EcoSport too: we’re all heading for the last round up (junk yard). After 4 “Focus’s” I thought Ford had stepped up their game. I should have known better.
I see so many eco boost fords for sale, joe public ( including me ) just dont see the future problems that these engines can make, back in the days of my old morris minor ( with starting handle 🙂 ) and my old triumph herald where you could step into the engine department to do small maintenance work were the days with not a computer in sight, course they wernt racing cars but they functioned ok.
I seen a 2016 Eco boost focus on 55,000 miles, but somehow I doubt it will be reliable for much longer and likely this belt hasn't been replaced recently.
On my ford galaxy 1,9 tdi, I let (forgot to replace) the belt run more than 25k miles over the recommended interval. when I replaced it, it looked like brand new.
Did you have to support the engine in any way when you took off the timing belt cover or did the remaining engine mounting and gearbox mounting take the weight.
very impressed. what was the mileage on this car? I hear the belt needs to be replaced at 100,000 miles. Ford have had lots snap and in America they have recalled all cars with this belt and changed them for free, but not yet in UK, I assume its with a better belt?
I think I had this problem! I got engine jumped. My car is pretty much the same, Ford 2018 Focus SE Sedan, 3-Cly, EcoBoost, 1.0T. However, there is a open recall from Ford to replace the engine oil pump tensioner. The total cost to fix it will be around $8k!!! And believe, my car has only 39,500 miles on it. Can I ask for a reimbursement due this factory fault ?
Ordered a Haynes manual and am going to attempt this on the drive with my 63 plate with 59k miles 😅 Do you know if you used any specialist sockets/tools that we may not have? How many different socket sizes were needed? I will be ordering the full timing belt and water pump replacement kit by dayco. Any advice greatly appreciated 🙌
Nice work I’m still yet to do one of these I heard you needed a torque multiplier for the crank bolt removal but I have also heard it’s not needed, and doing it up you also don’t need it? Is that right? Also, how did you manage to support the engine with no timing cover and no sump pan fitted? Does it just drop slightly on the offside? No support beam between the wings required? Thanks
Supported it with jack under the gearbox with a block of wood. Crank pully ain't that tight at all came off with a normall breaker bar!! 300nm and 90⁰ to tighten it back up.. it's a lengthy job and 100% recommended the sump being removed everytime
Hopefully somebody can help here. I have just had my car back from its MOT. It's a Ford Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost from 2013. Because it is 10 years old, I was told that the timing belt needs replacing and was told it would cost around £2000 by my Ford garage. However, less than two years ago, the engine was replaced because of the infamous coolant system failure. My question is, would that not include the timing belt? Thank you in advance for your answers
if you had an new engine put in then yes it would include the belts etc as they are built into the engine. If you've had a used engine put in and not sure on the mileage on the engine I'd rather be safe than sorry and get it done. The peace of mind is worth it. I'd shop around as there are people on ebay that are offering the service for £800.
So the wet belt lasts no longer than a dry belt and costs twice as much to replace. Top job Ford !
Pretty much
There is no way they didn't know these engines would end up like this. If they didn't, they have no business building cars. If they did, they have no business building cars!!
just had ours done, on a focus
£1000. by a local garage after some searching, ford dealers wanted £1500. ten years old 37,000 on the clock. bloody madness.
😂
The most dumb ass design on the planet.
Why people buy Fords or any engine with a wet belt is beyond me??? 😅😅
It's a money making racket
Nowt to do with tech progress.
The only good thing about it is it punishes folk who choose to ignore the maintenance schedule by trashing the engine when the belt snaps or fowls the oil pump 😂
Not good for the planet though as this design promotes throw away cars ⚠️
Just been quoted £1597.47 by ford dealer for a wet belt on my 64 Plate Ecco Boost 1L
Theres a special place in hell for the engineers that decided wet belts should be a thing!
100% such a stupid design!
@@bazmeredithUnsuspecting folks buy these cars without realising how diabolical the wet-belt system is and the problems they cause.
@@jimferguson7503 100% and it's an expensive repair
wet dreams
@@bazmeredithwe can see why
We have just sold very cheaply my daughter's ecoboost fiesta, Timing belt going, cracking car BUT. I am frankly gobsmacked at your engineering ability, i service small strimmer lawnmower engines but your expertise is on a totally different level,well done.
Appreciate this 🤙
Very impressed with your knowledge, skill, attention to detail and presentation.
Citroen/Peugeot went this way with the 1.2 PureTech engine.
There's one place for those belts, and that is around the neck of the designers.
Court case already started in the Netherlands by owners of damaged engines.
Who thought of a rubber belt in oil why?
Yea but rubber and oil don't mix. @@SilverSeeker232
@@jerry2294 because they could rob you when that crap failed.
Ive heard PSA are suing Dayco over the failure of these belts.
@@MattChalker9there’s a reason why other manufacturers didn’t do this 😂. Terrible idea. Dry belt or chain. Nobody will ever do this again 🤞
I very nearly bought a wet belt Peugeot -- so glad I found out about this nonsense before I went down that route.
Fair play pal.... Cracking job... Shows many customers that the price quoted isn't for a 10 minute job..... Credit to the Industry mate....👍👍👍
Thanks buddy the price does scare people and think I'm ripping them off
@@bazmeredith I bet... Your video shows one and all the amount of work that goes into rectifying this Wet Belt renewal... Wha you've now posted should now put customers minds at ease. Keep up the fantastic work..... Enjoy your weekend mate👍👍👍👍 where are you located??????
@@spitfire451 just south of Wrexham
@@bazmeredith I'm down by Cardigan.... Pity the distance.... I'm on the lookout for a honest, trustworthy and professional garage..... They are few and far between down West Wales.....😞😞
Thank god for mechanics!!!! So grateful for their expertise
These engines can safe fuel in use, but when time of service are very expesives, so we spend the money that we safe.
Good work
Top job. You are an astonishingly smart, able & patient mechanic.
My 2019/20 Ford has a 1.5 eco boost engine. I usually only buy 2 litre automatic cars, but made an exception in this case because of the vehicle's other features.
It's still running alright at 37k miles, & I know that it is the earlier & 1 litre eco-boost engines that are particularly vulnerable; but had I known about the wet-belt arrangement, at the time I bought it, I wouldn't even have considered the purchase.
Stupidly, I thought it had a Timing Chain.
Now I've seen your remarkable video, I'm disillusioned with Ford, because of this silly engine design; built muvh more for the convenience of Ford than the owner.
At least I know what to keep my eye on now & what my local garage mechanics might have to do..
Best to you.
I have decided my solution to this problem is to avoid owning anything with a belt in oil .
The French are at it aswell steer clear
The total brake failure that my son experienced while coming off the slip road at Junction 10 on the M23 motorway was terrifying and he (and his apprentice) were fortunate not to have been involved in a major accident at this busy junction.
The cause of the failure is well documented - the use of the wet belt inside the EcoBoost engine causes delamination over time. Debris from it eventually clogs the pick up pipe and vacuum pump which then fails causing the brake pedal to go hard.
The brake pedal simply cannot be depressed to slow the vehicle no matter how hard you try.
He is self-employed and relies on his Ford Transit Custom van everyday. It is currently at a Hendy Ford garage awaiting a goodwill gesture from Ford - as it is a few months out of warranty - yet the wet belt was not due to be changed for another 30,000 miles at the earliest.The current estimated cost of the repairs are £1,800! In addition, the failure of the wet belt may have caused damage to the turbo and the cost to replace it would be £1,000 according to Hendy. He has had the vehicle regularly serviced - using the specified oil.
Ford have a duty to undertake the repairs - and cover any additional damages resulting from the delamination of the wet belt but they are digging their heels in - offering a fraction of the repair cost.
They are gaining a fantastic reputation for exemplary levels of unreliability
Any manufacturer can have issues, they only buy in parts and assemble them, it's how they deal with problems that separates professional businesses from the clowns
Like Fujitsu and the Post Office or Boeing and the 737 Max 8? There is a rumour among vehicle aficionados that if the cost of the recall is more than the money spent on compensation because of the fault, then the vehicle does not get recalled.
The equation is pretty simple:
A= number of incidents per manufacturing line.
B= the average cost of compensation for faulty cars.
C= the duration of that specific production line.
D= the total cost of that production line recall.
If A x B x C < D, then there is no recall. Simple.@@dreddwailing5505
The wet belt design is a disaster that quite a few manufacturers have used in recent engine designs- the purpose being to reduce friction losses and lower CO2 output. The gains are truly minimal. The replacement of these belts is so time consuming plus the damage caused by their early failure is pretty awful. We ended up buying a Mazda 2 instead of a Fiesta to avoid this dreadful engine design. Best decision ever as the Mazda's a much better car with its reliability record.
@@dreddwailing5505 rover had something (I cannot remember the exact number) like a 1000% percent more faulty parts per 100000 than Toyota many years ago
I’m currently watching this on the treadmill in the gym awaiting for my timing belt to be replaced on my Ford eco-boost fiesta and I was curious at how it was done (I have no clue about cars) and this was so satisfying to watch 😮 - knowing the skill and graft that goes into this job is pretty phenomenal. Great vid 👏🏼 and great accent!
Thanks, Baz, for an amazing video of this nasty job. It helps me understand why it’s so expensive. God bless
We had a 2013 fiesta ecoboost in the same colour copper pulse.
We got to 9 years old and 108'000 miles with just service items and an exhaust back box and front wishbones.
Got a quote for the 2 belts (the timming belt and oil pump belt) £1300😮
Decided to part chop as it was a 1/3 rd of the cars worth.
Must be hundreds out there on a 13 plate with the original belt (10 years or 150' 000 miles, which ever comes first)
If ever the saying " knowledge is power" applied to buying an ecoboost engined ford😮😮
You hve had a very lucky escape, many others have not.
Wow! Youre a top professional, great to watch 👍
I just replaced a dry timing belt on a 2010 kia soul. Had 125,000 and still looked great. Not bad at all and low cost.
Top job, need to do my boys next year at the 10yr point, took the sump off last year and the pick up was nice and clear at 42K
@@DonLight413 Not everyone will have this issue if they follow the correct servicing schedule using correct oil, however this depends if they own the vehicle long enough for the belt to deteriorate and how much they drive it. Your engine will not go bang they do not do this anymore, this used to happen because the old Focuses used to have plastic coolant lines which would vibrate and pop and then the engine would overheat and gain high pressure all around the crankcase block anywhere where coolant should be. Although they don't go bang anymore, they will damage themselves when the belt starts to deteriorate because the oil cannot get through the gauze in the sump quick enough as it is blocked and therefore scoring and pitting will occur to the block and once you've damaged the block so much you will basically need an engine rebuild. Just take good care of your car, follow the servicing and if it sounds like it is running rough it probably is, better to be safe than sorry with these
I've done a few now, that lower ac bolt seems to be always a problem, not snapped one yet but have used heat from the induction heater and lot of patience.
Awfull they are
Bit misogynistic tbh@@SilverSeeker232
@@MattChalker9huh?
Is a nightmare but also a fun job to do keeps you thinking great job you did to .
Would be useful having a hole in the sump pan to inspect the belt? A hole with a plate and with a sort of gasket to unscrew when we want to inspect the belt
A friend of mine asked me, if I can do this job on his wife´s car. Telling him to fuck off has to be one of the best things if done in my life lol
Language Timothy
Great job, this looks like its far beyond most home diy guys, i have done a cambelt on an old 406 and was piss easy engine mount removed, lower engine a bit and i used some drill bits to lock the top cam pulleys and another for the crank pulley smug fit just easy enough no special tools needed, only bit that was a ball ache was the tenioner wich i didnt change it had a weird not so square slot but an old socket adaptor that i ground down with an angle grinder took few test fits but got it snug and i could put a decent amount of pressure on it and did up the main bolt and hey presto cambelt done, lasted over 6 years and around 70 k miles after i did it so i did something right but this wet belt thjng is so complicated i cannot see myself trying it not worth the hassle!
Fare play doing the 406 t belt memories of them.
Whole different ball game there.. Need a lift and know what your doing so much crap under the bonnet now
@MP-po6fj thanks buddy, I was younger then, stronger and more flexible, I have a 2007 fusion 1.6 petrol now well overdue the cam belt watched a few videos online to see how it's done, doesn't look too hard, not as simple as the 406 but alot easier than those wet belts, don't know if I can really be bothered to do it myself especially water pump want to do it properly this time nit just the belt so may hand it over to the pros will save me a hell of a lot of time, probably worth the money, although it looks like I could would still need a special tool or make something up to lock the cam, don't know why they make it so hard now, ok if you had to do it say every 150k like alot of cam chains had one go bad on a vectra had barley done 100k and may have been a tension but either way would have to take it all apart that was nightmare of a job after looking at how to do it I scrapped the car 😆 🤣
A few years ago, Chrysler decided to place the water pump in the crankcase of a 2.7- liter V6 engine. When they began to leak antifreeze into the oil, you had a white milky engine oil with a blown head gasket soon to follow. Have a look at this brilliant move as well. How to replace the battery on a Dodge Avenger. It is worth a look.
I work with wet belts in an industrial setting, they are subject to far higher heat and stresses than you would find in any engine.
I have changed many on routine maintenance; some have been in service over 10 years and were in perfect condition when removed with no degradation or missing pieces. This can only be Ford using cheaper belts to keep the costs down.
If you can get them use Continental Syncrochain belts, they are not cheap but are the best the business in wet belt technology.
Bought a 2014 ecooboost about a year and a half ago. Had 45k KM on it when I bought it but was addament that I wanted the timing belt replaced before we bought it. Managed to strike a deal with the garage before I got it so it was a "cheaper" job. Was always curious as to how much of a pain it actually was, seeing as I only know it from what I read. Thanks for the insights!
We usually just advice the customer to scrap the car if this fails.
Spot on Baz! Nice to see you aren't afraid of showing the battle scars to component's 😂 🤙
It's what needs to happen sometimes the struggle is real. I get there in the end but this one tested me 🤙
the cleaning and prep work takes considerable time. even sourcing parts can be rather tedious
Absolutely
International Engine and Powertrain of the Year 😄Yep!! In Finland, change interval is 240K km/10year.
How long did it take you to do, and how much would you normally charge to do it ?
Local Ford specialist near me charges £770.
Our main Ford garage quoted £1700 all in and an independent quoted us £900. Many garages not keen due to the complexity and tool requirements it seems. Think Ford were quoting something like 10 hours work or something crazy! Not sure what the average going job rate is or how long it takes once you know what you are doing.
Jamming D&B in the workshop.... What G!!!!!!!!
The later eco boost engines have reverted back to a chain apparently. But how long the chains last is unknown at the moment probably.
Do you know when this started?
@@dw300 Later 2019 models
Knowing Ford the chain will be made from cheese
chains last forever, it is the tensioners that rub away with time, and that is the proble.
@@jawa350zoli The problem with chains is that they stretch, putting the timing out.
A toothed belt is actually better, and running it in oil reduces friction, so the concept is good. Sadly, the execution isn't.
Apart From Possibly Being Quieter I Dont See Any Advantage Of A Wet Belt Over A Conventional Timing Chain .
Except A Wet Belt Could Be More Prone To Breaking , We Seem To Be In An Era Of Disposable Engines . Glad I No Longer Do Any Mechanic Work .
Wet belts are awful imo... and such and expensive repair bill... bad move from ford and not thinking of the after service
I’m a diesel mechanic and know doing this shit I’m glad I’ve not got long till I’m bugger in off
It's getting worse in the motor trade 🤯
@@bazmeredith I did a egr cooler on a Audi what a utter cluster fuck 4 hours of hell and the boss still was a ass hole £30000 of tools with my own money and no respect
I am completely in disbelief! A "wet" timing belt?? 😮
I'm not even close to being a engineer and even i know rubber and oil don't mix.. But then ford goes, you know what let's run the timingbelt through the oil! That'll make customers come back for repairs.... 😮😅
Yes, and you have to use a critical type of oil or it will perish way before the service schedule. A cheap and nasty little engine.
Wet belts been around for much longer than the eco boost.
Baz, I've done cambelt and head gasket change on my rover 416 , also on my vw 1,9 tdi twice. that is doable in the carpark, with simple tools, but this ford ecoboost is a piece of junk. thanks for sharing this with us.
You didn’t show the nightmare with tightening the crank pulley up with a torque multiplier 😮
Absolutely essential in doing these engines with the floating crank.
There are loads of wet belt replacements on TH-cam but no one shows you how to tighten it. Probably because they use an impact 😂
Ford wanted their head examined fitting these wet belts,the dry belts were bad enough but this was downright stupidity,as usual from Ford anything to save a few pence per vehicle and to hell with the costs to the unfortunate owner who has to foot the bill for this rubbish,it’s no wonder their loosing sales to the competition.
How did you remove the air con with the sump. 2 of mine have snapped off
Little bit of heat and a blunt air chisel on the corner of the AC pump.... Really common for snapping once the pump is off you can use mole grips to get the broken piece out
@bazmeredith cheers mate, I'll give that try in the morning. Thank you
I read that Ford are doing a recall on all Ecoboost engines…..in Australia !!! Seems to be that amounts to taking responsibility for a poor design and that it should be equally applicable in the U.K. ?
It’s exactly the same as the old fiesta but in the oil.. what were they thinking!?
How long are these belts lasting?
I know the US Ford EcoSports with 1.0L had some issues with the tensioner and pulley and the oil pump belt.
'16-'18 Fiesta models were part of a TSB. '18-'19 Ecosport models were impacted.
Supposedly engines built after April 2019 aren't affected.
I have a 2020 Ecosport. Tomorrow I will surpass 100,000mi on my drive to work.
So far, no issues at all I'm aware of. I am rather particular with maintenance I regularly change the oil and I use nothing but full synthetic. Been using OW-20 to maximize cold start flow and maximize flow into the strainer assuming it has some rubber bits partially clogging it up.
It seems to be the oil used on top of a bit of luck that determines the belts life. It is important that the right grade *and* specification of oil is used. On my fiesta 1.0 that's 5w-20 and the spec is wss- something, you'd have to look it up.
Engine Flushes are also a big no as this can deteriorate the belt. Some garages may do this
How much did this cost?
My daughter had one of theses engines in her fiesta, the dashboard was showing a check engine oil warning light, nothing wrong with the oil level as checked by the AA, at ONLY 30,000 miles the engine wasn’t pumping oil around the engine as there was a problem with the belt, long storey short, she got a replacement car as hers needed a new engine.
@@petersgrandson around €1500 at a dealer
Guys I need help. Is an auxiliary drive belt another name for this wet belt? Or are they completely different things?
Aux belt drives auxiliary components like alternator pas pump or AC pump. Wet belt is timing belt
Got a 2016 1.0 eco zetec S 72k miles showing no warning signs of needing this done when would be the best time to get this done not looking to do it any time soon as an expensive fix
thought there was a recall on that in the US for every single one with a wet belt?
Takes me about 15 mins to change the belt on my MK1 Cortina, you can keep your modern day s---boxes.
Yep. Did mine in the street when I was 18. Loved my old cortina mk5. 😢
So how much is it for doing the wet belt
First thing I check when buying a car is if it has a Timing chain or Wet belt. The Wet belt ones get bypassed.
thanks for the video, ill tell the customer to go to the dealer 😂 i do not feel like doing that
Just about anyone who has ever picked up a Spanner would realise a wet belt is a bad idea. What was the designer thinking?
Must be an absolute nightmare getting 4 or 5 of them in a week, Ford motor company have really gone down in my opinion.
Yes this is very, very poor.
Are there not any companies that do a oil pump chain conversion it looks like a vw tfsi 1.2 chain system could convert nicely
Great explanation. Maybe I didn't catch it, but what is the time you usually need for changing the belt? (including all work to do)
Ford 2.7L Ecoboost V6 also uses a Wet-belt driven Oil pump!!!!!! Use timing chains please.
Totally agree
Another top job Baz. Well done . Hope to be over to churkk soon
is the 1,5 Ecoboost that's in fx the Focus just as bad as the 1,0 (995) and are the Ecoboost engines interferance or non interferance?
Tbh I couldn't tell you but if it's like these little 1.0 there awfull
What sort of price does cost for this service? Parts and Labour? Thanks in advance
Great video, thanks. I recently got a 2nd hand Fiesta with 1.0 EcoBoost, so have been looking into this. It is a 2014 model with nearly 86k on the clock, and I don't know if the belt has been replaced or not. How often do they need replacing? Shall I get mine done?
I'd get it replaced, as long as it has regimental full service. I serviced a friends EcoBoom's car at 27k, Told him to part ex it at 70K, To at least give the new owner a chance.
He got given this amazing unicorn, It's a 2017 model with so low miles, Serviced yearly by ford!
@@monkehbitch Thanks for the advice. Mine doesn't say that the belt has or hasn't been done. A local garage reckons it has, since it's at 86k miles. I'm going to see him tomorrow and see if he can give me a quote.
@@mintydog06have a stiff drink first.
@@fanfeck2844lol well one garage asked me if I were sitting down first.
Ford: £2100
Garage 1: £1350
Garage 2: £1150
@@mintydog06 is there no way of finding out if it’s been done? Be a shame to spend that sort of money if it’s already been replaced. Any signs of wear on the bolts being loosened and retightened for example.
Doesn't anyone offer a cam chain conversion to replace the wet belts ?
As sounds like a bit of a lottery as to when the wet belts need replacing!
Interesting vid 👍
What is the wet belt made from.lt cannot be rubber alone.
Baz how did you unglue the belt cover? I am struggling with this
Thanks for the video ! Just a simple question, is that 90000 miles or km? I think it's miles but juste to be sure... And how many years since the last belt replacement ?
Miles and it was its first belt replacement
I believe the torque settings for the crank bolts are about 300nm plus 90degrees. Did you manage that without a torque multiplier.
I changed the belts without the multiplier, with a big 3/4 inch drive torque wrench that goes up to 450 Nm. I was able to do the 300Nm + 90°.But you have to stand under the car ,I don't think there's any other way without the multiplier. I set the torque wrench to the max of 450 Nm for the final 90°, and it actually clicked..
And the rest. 5 lots of 90° turns
Could this be done without removing the sump at all?
No the sump needs to come off everytime to clean the oil pick up
Mine was due to be done in 2 weeks! Had no problems prior to it breaking today. WTF
great video my wifes Vx garndland X had same issue wow
Psa engine for you, wet belts are crazy stupid
Reel’em in! Reel’em in! I got a 1.0 EcoSport too: we’re all heading for the last round up (junk yard). After 4 “Focus’s” I thought Ford had stepped up their game. I should have known better.
At what point does the wet belt need changing
What was the total cost of replacing both belts and bits/bobs?
I see so many eco boost fords for sale, joe public ( including me ) just dont see the future problems that these engines can make, back in the days of my old morris minor ( with starting handle 🙂 ) and my old triumph herald where you could step into the engine department to do small maintenance work were the days with not a computer in sight, course they wernt racing cars but they functioned ok.
Love the design of the engine and the power is pretty good but why ford why?? Surely a chain would have sufficed for all of it 🤦♂️🤣
Great video, but what is someone looking at cost wise to complete the job?
I have this engine and when I take mines to get changed I’ll be giving them a sorry card along with it
New ecoboosts has a chain or wet belt?
I seen a 2016 Eco boost focus on 55,000 miles, but somehow I doubt it will be reliable for much longer and likely this belt hasn't been replaced recently.
What’s the price for this job to be done on the ecosport
do you think its worth doing the head gasket on these engines or just swapping out the engine?
Don’t forget to change it at the recommended interval as it will break if you don’t.
You want to change it well before the recommended intervals if it's done 50k it's doing well
@bazmeredith if I'm on 71k does it mean I probably don't have a wet belt ford 1.8tdci 2008
On my ford galaxy 1,9 tdi, I let (forgot to replace) the belt run more than 25k miles over the recommended interval. when I replaced it, it looked like brand new.
Nice job❤
Surely an aftermarket chain conversion is available
please can you tell me For future references. How much does this Service cost
1k ish
@@bazmeredith
Thanks very much good to know
Not new crankshaft seal on belt cover?
Did you have to support the engine in any way when you took off the timing belt cover or did the remaining engine mounting and gearbox mounting take the weight.
You need to support the engine, how I did it was with a peice of wood from by where the coolant tank goes to front panel
@@bazmeredith
Thanks 👍
@@bobp6742 no probs 🤙
A big well done you a master
I have been charge 2500 to replace myn on my 1 ltr eco boost is that a normal price feel like im bein ripped off
very impressed. what was the mileage on this car? I hear the belt needs to be replaced at 100,000 miles. Ford have had lots snap and in America they have recalled all cars with this belt and changed them for free, but not yet in UK, I assume its with a better belt?
How much is the belt replacement
How much does it cost to change?
Surley a repair like that isnt economical on a.car.like that ? What was total bill?
Seems rather a big job to replace a timing belt. Sometimes new designs are not good..
What did you use for the graphic that tells you the mileage, would come in handy!
I think I had this problem! I got engine jumped. My car is pretty much the same, Ford 2018 Focus SE Sedan, 3-Cly, EcoBoost, 1.0T. However, there is a open recall from Ford to replace the engine oil pump tensioner. The total cost to fix it will be around $8k!!! And believe, my car has only 39,500 miles on it. Can I ask for a reimbursement due this factory fault ?
这个皮带多少公里更换一次？
Ordered a Haynes manual and am going to attempt this on the drive with my 63 plate with 59k miles 😅 Do you know if you used any specialist sockets/tools that we may not have? How many different socket sizes were needed? I will be ordering the full timing belt and water pump replacement kit by dayco. Any advice greatly appreciated 🙌
good luck mate, you are a brave man.
Nice work
I’m still yet to do one of these
I heard you needed a torque multiplier for the crank bolt removal but I have also heard it’s not needed, and doing it up you also don’t need it? Is that right?
Also, how did you manage to support the engine with no timing cover and no sump pan fitted? Does it just drop slightly on the offside? No support beam between the wings required?
Thanks
Supported it with jack under the gearbox with a block of wood. Crank pully ain't that tight at all came off with a normall breaker bar!! 300nm and 90⁰ to tighten it back up.. it's a lengthy job and 100% recommended the sump being removed everytime
@@bazmeredith nice one thank you! I have had he sump pans off quite a few o clean the strainers out but not yet done a timing belt on one. 👍🏼
What sort of cost is this job? Our one is working fine with no problems but I want to prevent any from happening
Hopefully somebody can help here. I have just had my car back from its MOT. It's a Ford Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost from 2013. Because it is 10 years old, I was told that the timing belt needs replacing and was told it would cost around £2000 by my Ford garage. However, less than two years ago, the engine was replaced because of the infamous coolant system failure. My question is, would that not include the timing belt? Thank you in advance for your answers
if you had an new engine put in then yes it would include the belts etc as they are built into the engine. If you've had a used engine put in and not sure on the mileage on the engine I'd rather be safe than sorry and get it done. The peace of mind is worth it.
I'd shop around as there are people on ebay that are offering the service for £800.
It's happened to ours this week, nice Christmas present for me NOT, how much do you charge
Why don't they use timing chaIns instead of cheap elastic band belts
How much would this cost