That's great to hear👍 and I don't wish unreliability on anyone, however I just tell it how it is and what my experience is on working on hundreds of them.
Between my son and I we’ve done about 25k miles on our eco boost now (140) and I’ve changed oil 5 times so far. Car has done 36k miles. People slack on looking after a car then they end up with the issues it creates.
Had these engines for the last 10 years and never had a single issue. I do have main dealer service and know about using the right oil. Unfortunately a lot of people don’t and will top up there engine with the wrong stuff . It should have been a chain belt from the start imo.
I sold my 2013 fiesta ecoboost 125bhp with 108'000 miles on it. My mate down the road still has his 2013 fiesta ecoboost 99bhp which he has had since 600 miles, is still his daily with 150'000 miles. Neither had a timing belt . We part exchanged for a chain driven engined car after a £950 quote for the wet belt change on the fiesta .
I had a 2012 1.0 ( 99bhp) focus Titanium for 3.5 years from 66k to 82k. Did the de-gas hose but not the Belt. Moved it on and was sad to see it go. A guy came up from London to buy it for £400 less than I paid for it!! It was a bloody brilliant car. £20 year tax, 420 miles on a 40L tank. All the toys and a fun drive. They are great IMHO
Timing belts...they just don't belong in cars do they ?. Considering the environment they have to operate in it's no wonder they disintegrate. Another manufacturer giving zero "f"s about their product once it's a few years old. It's "wear & tear" innit ?. Really wasn't expecting consumer advice from a car dealer so thank you for the heads up on the disasters that await if you roll the dice and buy a Ford with the Ecoboost.
Wet belts grrrrrr.naturally aspirated engine much more reliable, not as nippy or frugal, but much safer bet.great vid as usual, some handy tips to owners or potential buyers.
We had a ford focus 2018 1.0 and it had full ford service history and it went bang on the way to work i was out of work for 4 months because of it sadly nearly lost the house months of fighting ford offered me a settlement i brought a seat leon and never looked back
Thank you for the thorough assessment. 19:53 My son was about to purchase a Ford Fiesta with a 1.0 litre Petrol EcoBoost engine. God Bless you and thank you !!
My Audi tdi I always run for a minute after a long journey or if I’ve been pushing the engine just to let the oil cool and the turbo , improves the life of it
I have a 2014 1.0 Fiesta ecoboost. Currently 36,700 miles. I change my oil and filters every year even though I only do about 1,400 miles per year. I recently changed my oil, and thankfully I didn't find anything in the oil which I drained (admittedly I didn't put a rag through the sump plug hole and rub in to the bottom of the sump) but apart from being dirty there was nothing untoward in the oil. My insuarnce is cheap and it's zero road rax, and if I trade in I will have that to consider.
Great to hear, might be worth having the strainer cleaned when you get to sort of 60k major service time. might cost a few hours labour but I promise you there will be crud blocked in the strainer. Even flushing oil cannot shift it ☹️
@@carukchannel thanks for the info. I have spent a lot of money on my car, and it would probably pay to have the wet belt changed. I retire abroad in 2031, just need the car to hold out until then 🤣
I recently got a second hand 2014 1.0 EcoBoost. What oil and filters is it you've changed, are they specifically to do with that sump pump that's part of the wet belt? As you can gather I know very little about engines, and I'm looking to find out as much info as I can. I asked Ford about changing the belt, and they want £2100 for it! That's ridiculously high and not worth it for the price I paid for the car.
reading the comments and noticed split opinions. I think this reflects the fact that there are lots of these on the road, and some survive just fine if serviced and used lightly. I think the bad ones are those that worked hard and had deferred maintenance. Obviously, things like fuel pumps fail on many cars, so it's not Ford specific problem. Direct injection, turbo charging and long service intervals only add fuel to the fire when it comes to reliability. The best engines were usually free of VVT''s , no turbos, port injected, dry belt or accessible chain, 4 cylinders or more. The progress in technology has not done much good to reliability. It's all about tail pipe emissions and fuel saving with a heavier reliability tax.
i have a 2013 fiesta mk7 with the 1.0 ecoboost and never had any problems with it and i even have the duel clutch automatic and that gets called garbage but everything works perfectly fine for me but i do keep a good look at everything and have things done regularly and i have 142.000 on it so it's definitely time to have the wetbelt swapped soon before it turns into the so called ecoboom 😂
The BIO (belt in oil) scenario affects most small turbo engines - PSA, Ford, VW etc - had the oil pick up blocked through nothing more than a degrading OEM belt on a 1.2 DS3 - all in a car with a full main dealer service history.
Spot on with removing the sump. This is the thing with car owners changing their oil at 10,000m. 5,000m is where it should be,lots if issues can happen. Many Toyotas owners do it 10,000+ miles,why? No more than 5,000m,using good oil with cheap filter is ok, cheap oil + cheap filter NOT ok at 10,000m. The VVT & solenoid get blocked too on Toyotas which is bad. Use a named brand of oil,none of this rubbish Mannola oil you see at GFS,euro car parts etc.
the problem with many Toyota Lexus items is that you have to service at main dealer to keep their 10 years relax warranty. The interval is 10k miles, so people stick to it. If something goes wrong, Toyota will fix it. A more frequent change at the dealer would bankrupt many people. I am not sure if they allow you to service the car on your own, it could void the warranty. Once 10 years pass you can extend the warranty or move the car on, so technically you never have to worry about the state of the engine, unless you intent to keep it for 15 years +
Gotta remember how many of these engines sold…. Fiesta and focus the main sellers of this engine were top 2 selling cars in the UK for basically 2012 at launch to 2020 when they swapped to the later 1.0 with chain instead of belts…. Obviously when your selling twice as many cars than your competitor you are gonna see more failures…. From experience you probably see 1 in 5/6 that are bad. I’d say that is no worse than corsa with timing chains. Prince engines with everything 🤷🏻♂️ Sigma is great but so outdated with mileage and emissions. Gotta be DV6 high power or 1.0 ecoboost every day!
I currently drive a 1.0L Ecoboost Fiesta (65 plate) and have no problems what so ever. All i recommend is that you get it fully serviced at least once every 2 years or every 6,000 miles which comes first. I drive mine lightly, i'm aware of the horror stories but mine's still going strong today.
@@jamierawlins1702 All i can say is my driving instructor back in 2019 had an Ecoboost and his went through 20,000 miles a year on lessons and his worked ok. Probably because he regularly serviced it.
Love the fact these are sooo reliable Not 😂 I remember when these launched and some doubted my opinion of these tiny little engines that are massively overworked and will go bang, it was inevitable, shame as Ford are capable of making good vehicles.
I'd do the preventatuve maintenance or clean out you mentioned of all those parts then retail it BUT I would price in another service in the retail price and offer the customer s free service in the 6 month liability period. So they'll return for the service and I'll refresh the oil and clean the easily accessible parts again which should give the customer another year of trouble free motoring.
I had a Fiesta ZS 1.0, serviced every 6000 miles and sold it at 64k miles. Terrific car during my ownership, totally faultless apart from a battery when it was about 7. It never missed a beat, was reasonably nippy, great fun at lower speeds, it even sounded terrific. I drive a wide variety of cars and it was genuinely fun, particularly because you can give it the beans quite a lot of the time and be well within speed limits. The Mk7.5 really needed a 6th gear for cruising though, which the Mk8 got. The 1.25 65hp is woefully slow, less than half the hp of the top spec ecoboost, I couldn’t live with one personally, but it’s a battle axe. If you don’t go on motorways often it wouldn’t be too bad. Truthfully I would be very wary of keeping an ecoboost 1.0 beyond 80k miles, and I really don’t think it’s a big enough engine for a focus personally. Mk8 Fiesta quality really nosedived, a really sad way to see out the name.
Try the C-Max MK2 which I’ve got with 1.0 125HP 6 Speed , that’s even bigger or the Mondeo or transit Custom ( ridiculous for a transit) but they are out there but rare 👍
"Alot of things go wrong with this engine, most of them catastrophic", brutally honest and true, and as these things get older and fall out of dealer servicing it will only get worse. How did Ford get it so wrong?
Ford charge £1695 inc’ VAT to change a belt on this engine as of July 2023 , I know a guy who recently enquired at Ford for a quote on a 62 Reg Focus mk3 1.0 with nearly 55,000 miles on it .
They have a wet belt for the camshaft and the oil pump, later 1.0 ecoboost cars have gone back to a chain on the camshaft but still have a wet belt for the oil pump, you can tell the difference by looking at the engine if the exhaust and inlet are on the back of the engine the car has a chain fitted on the camshaft and the wet belt on the oil pump, the earlier cars with both wet belts have the exhaust on the front with the metal shield over it @11:32, the fiesta st 1.5 engines have a wet belt for the oil pump also from about feb 2019, when the belt lets go the small bits of the teeth that have broken off block up the strain filter on the oil pump in the sump, this causes lack of oil being pump around the engine this basically knackers/destorys the engine componets inside, also the head gaskets are prone to going causing water in the cylinders, this causes hydrolock which can bend rods and also destorys the engine. I guess with some decent servicing every 6000 miles or so you may get better results. who knows?. ymmv
I have had a focus ecoboost for nearly 6 years. The oil strainer blocked about 5 years ago and then the belt went at just over 60,000 miles. The car has just done 78,000 miles.
Excellent video will some great advice I thank you for. have not long ago brought a 65 plate cmax with this engine with only 35000 on the clock and have had the wet belt replaced at ford main dealer, I also have a 3 year warranty on the car which I paid extra for,,,,it's a really nice comfortable car,,
Appreciate u r dealer insight,got 3 of these engines in family highest mileage 90 k ,no engine probs with 6k oil changes.Think it depends more how they are or are nt cared for…?
My 1.0l eco boost focus went bang on the M6. Pulled over to phone the AA. Ten minutes later it was a complete fireball. I'm not even joking. These things are downright dangerous
What age was the car and mileage? Did you have any work done on it I.e the belt ? I'd like to know what made that happen as I drive a 17 plate focus myself.
About 33-40% keep up servicing older cars. Max max. . Sold 9500 odd cars last two decades. Manufacturers know once over over c.5-8 years of age 2nd 3rd owner servicing goes out window !!!! Brilliant. More cars sold more return plug play engine swap. A non refurbishable unit the 1.0 EcoB. As Ford say. As they would. Just like nobody fixes a toaster for a tenner. A massive TV for £200. Bad wicked world. Can now see my granddads arguments against cheap Chinese priced cheap parts and inbuilt obsellesance
Back in April I bought a Peugeot 308 SW with the Puretech engine. Within 8 days the engine failed and no oil in it. The dealer, Carpoint UK in Newport Wales, would not help me. So while a good dealer like you would help you are not all born equal. Thank god I financed it as MotoNovo were brilliant. They dealt with it and after 5 months I got all my money back with interest and the dealer was forced to take the car back. I now drive a 2021 plate Kia Ceed and NO wet belt in sight!
No problems here! Had a 63 plate Fiesta S ecoboost with the mountune stage one upgrade. Owned her for 3½ years, not one issue. Economical, quick & very reliable. I traded her in beginning of this year for a FiST. Only lost £600 on her over my time of ownership. Heard other dealers refuse part exchange of this engine but with only hearsay to base their opinion. Doesn't seem fair to me.
The bigger eco boost 3 cyl engine had mass recalls and class action suites in other countries too, not just the 1.0. It amazes me that the 1.0 is fitted to kuga's and modeos If it wasn't for the wet belts these would probably be a very reliable engine, even with a wet belt people stil manage 100k+ without major breakdown, how many 1.0l engines could boast that 20 years ago. later version eco engines are going chain drive from what i've been told but that may just be the bigger version, I would much prefer a direct gear drive for a truly fit and forget solution.
@@prawny12009 My FiST is a four cylinder 1600cc. Zero performance upgrades. Engines only just been run in at 23,000 miles so time will tell......so far, so good👍
Some top amazing tips on your videos Lee. The Wet Belt engine designs are Peugeot if my mechanic friend was right. That explains it all to be honest lol. In theory it should be a good design, in practice, as you said, it clogs everything up in there and engines don't like a lack of oil lol. Great video. Now get on and do one of your new pitch. 😜
If it helps anyone, here’s my experience putting 66k miles (from new) on a 2019 plate ecoboost Fiesta. It’s my driving school car and it’s also my ONLY car. Every one of these miles has been travelled in fear of it blowing up, and therefore I’ve had the oil changed every 6k miles (3 times more than Ford’s recommendation of 2yrs or 18k). I plan to use it for 1 more year, taking it to 88k and then sell it. Despite the fear of owning such a time bomb it’s been reliable so far, and so I’ve been able to enjoy the relatively fast performance and great economy. Make no mistake, I’m not necessarily recommending you buy one….. But if you do, I definitely feel those frequent oil changes are helping BIG TIME. But next year, I’m going for a Swift Sport (chain driven and Japanese engineering).
@@jimmyjt16 I hadn’t heard that before, that MK8s were stronger than MK7s….. but if that’s the case then it definitely makes me feel a bit better. Cheers Jimmy 🍻
Lee you know your stuff more than me, I'm surprised you don't deal more with Toyota and Lexus, those things are pretty much invincible great to pass on without any comebacks I have a little 64 Yaris 1.4 diesel 196K on the clock and it still runs and sounds like it's brand new only ever broke down on me once it just needed a new battery and it was an ex fleet car with 135K when I bought I have owned it 7 years now, my sister always buys Fords and always has problems, BTW I love your videos I am a bit of a car enthusiast.
The 1.6 tdci DV6 is also a very good engine. Followed closely by the later 1.5 tdci which is also pretty decent. I don't touch these 1.0 ecoboost cars unless they're cheap and have full service history or they've just had a new engine.
Ford seem to have redesigned this engine at some point my 2020 Puma 1.0 ecoboost mild hybrid has a chain cam engine recognisable by the turbo being at the rear of the engine instead of the front. I believe the oil pump is still driven by a small wet belt so i dont know if this will be a problem.
Sound advice Lee yet again m8 on this video to help people navigate their way around any potential problems or to make them aware what is liable to give any problems...Think in the wide scheme of things you've made the right call on it and as you say your not gonna lose money on it and worst case scenario you make a few hundred quid on it trading it on or maybe better at Auction...would be great if we had a video on the auction it goes in if it does get moved on that way...Anyway best of luck with it and see u in the next video...Hope you've settled in well now and we get a peak at these new premises soon...👏🏻👍🏻💪🏻
Local Ford independent garage near me won't do wet cambelt chage, Ford main dealer charge over £1000 but they refuse to do it if car is 10 years or more old, even 10 years and a few months
We have Fiesta and Focus, both are 1.0 ecoboost. Focus currently has around 360k km, fiesta has around 210k km. Both have had the timing belt done and they have been faultless. Would never pick any other engine for Ford car.
@@dennythescar80s8 Yeah, I've noticed that too. At my workplace 8 people have cars that have wet belts, none of them complain. But all those who have never owned one are always picking on them. I know it must be though having N/A engine with no power and high fuel consumption, but come on.
Fiestas in the UK are like lamp posts. Everywhere you look they are about (a bit like Audis too). So you hear about problems more. Cars do seem to suffer from timing belt and chain issues more in recent years. Cost cutting? In my experience, the larger N\A engine is less stressed and will last longer. The higher fuel costs even out over time
The fiesta on your clip no service history who would buy one without one, i have had one these 2014 plate for 5 years 60000 plus miles, really good on fuel no road tax unless its after 2017. my wife's got a 1400 2011 fiesta £180 road tax not as good on fuel and less poke, like all older cars need them serviced regularly, and dont forget they were the biggest selling car on the road for years, so theres a lot more that can go wrong.
I almost upgraded from a mk1 zetec 1.6 focus to a 1.0t ecoboost focus a year ago.. After consideration and about 2000 reviews read later decided to keep my little nugget. They may sell well but how long do they drive well for...? The focus only has 79k on it anyways, ulez compliant might aswell keep it ay?
Drive down that road nearly everyday past Morrisons and HABs. Fords of Winsford just few 100mtrs down the other road. Was loving the content even before i released you were in my home town.
Had a Ford eco boost for ten years. Nice car, good to drive and reliable. Like any piece of hi-tech, regular servicing from a Ford dealer is essential.....This is not a car for amateur cheap servicing as so may have discovered....
We have my mother's old 1.25 Zetec on a 65 plate. My eldest child learning to drive in it. It is immaculate at 31k! I can get a steady 55mpg on long journeys.
Hi Lee, really enjoy the videos mate! If you ever get a chance could you do the best Transit/Vivaro/Traffic style vans to buy between 06-12 plates please. I here there are some real problematic engines out there and would like to know which the best engines or vans to get for reliability and which to avoid. Keep up the great content!
It’s a shame about the questionable reliability of this engine, because this little Fiesta is a lovely looking car, especially in that dark blue colour. However I do agree with you Lee, by retailing it, you could potentially be setting yourself up for quite a lot of grief, especially with the high mileage.
The engine is really suited to the fiesta too so its ashame. Ive heard they can last a long time with regular oil changes with the correct spec oil to prevent wet belt degredation
I have serviced and looked after hundreds of these for customers and I can assure you along with countless other mates in the trade including master techs at fords that even if they are serviced as per schedule the failure rate is far higher than any other previous ford powertrain, the fact that ford give good will on them says it all. That's not exaggeration but facts and I cant undo that.
@@carukchannel Yeah I have seen examples of them lasting a good amount of time for some reason. It's worth mentioning that you shouldn't put engine flush in these
Got a mate with a 1.25 engine in the Square Fiesta model - just over 200k miles on the original engine which shows the value of proper servicing. I know he would jump in it tomorrow and drive to Barcelona with no fears. Neighbours grandson bought a 1.0litre ecoboom for his first car - 10 months later the engine has lunched itself......... I did warn him
Brilliant vlog I for one will never buy one of these and I'm a big ford man had them for years, and it looks like now most newer Ford's have the 1L engine even the new Puma small engine for big car but they do carry the new eco boost engine not this one, this eco boost rubbish has put me off Ford's after many happy years motoring.
Damn. I've been looking at a 1.0L EcoSport. Yeah I know they're basically a Fiesta but worse, but fits my particular list of wants. Anyway, it'll have this engine so it's right put me off!
My view of this engine is "what do you expect when you consistently squeeze such a lot of power from a 1.0L 3 cyl engine. These engines were heralded as genius and if everything is 100% but they have a dual circuit cooling system which is the achilles heel and lets face it with a tiny turbo charged engine you do need good cooling !
I did think that myself, I believe they put them that they put them in the Mondeo and focus. Such a small engine in a big car, one car I believe had 3 engines. Before he gave up!
@mightywatcher5894 Yeah vauxhall has been in an identity crisis for years. The early production newest gen corsas (19-21) seem like they're thrown together. Bearing in mind PSA took over vauxhall at roughly the same time. GM had to scrap the deisgn and it was redesigned in something like 18 months. Think the newest ones have the issues mostly ironed. Goes to show, always wait a few years after car is released before you think about buying.
We had a 67 plate ecoboost Fiest Titanium (no badges?) The day we went to trade it in, I started the engine and put it first gear and it set off backwards! My wife was sat in the passenger seat. I braked quickly and put in neutral and tried again. It set off backwards again. 'Try restarting the engine', said my perplexed wife. I restarted it and all was okay. We traded it in with it's broken air conditioning and I've mentioned this to a lot of people in the trade and none have ever heard of this happening before. So have you ever heard of ANY car doing this?
I paid £8,000 for mine in feb this year. It’s a 5 door, in colour white, no scratches on the car at all. two previous owners, the last being an elderly lady. The car had 24,324 miles on the clock. It’s been an awesome car so far.
Hi Lee. Christ your right. The worst engine ever lol. It's a Shame it has that Engine in it because it looks the Part. It looked nice at the Auction when i first saw it. Great Colour. Great year 2014. And it looks lovely and clean. Such a Shame. You will have to flog it on to one of your Mate's and make a small profit. So it could be better but an Awful lot worse Lee. Anyway another Great Video again. Chat later buddy. 😅😅
Lee, back in the day I did my time at a Triumph Stag specialist. the engine was universally slated, unjustly in my view. this EcoBoom! engine looks like a true dog and takes me back to the old Essex v4 with fibre timing gears that stripped and it literally shook itself to pieces. it would be logical to have an aftermarket replacement chain kit for the EcoBoom!, effectively fixing the cause of most issues in one hit but I couldn't find anything. why would you risk you're credibility retailing it? couldn't agree more with your SPQR exit strategy. "Boom! Shake, shake, shake the room, Tic-tic-tic-tic boom!" edit: the EcoBoom! is an Essex. haven't they learnt anything in the past 60 years?
Lee, recently sold focus titanium 1l eco boost. 2012 with 20000k. Full service history. Score of 929 out of 999 on history report. Sold to someone I knew. I flagged up the wet belts issues. Deducted what I thought was a reasonable amount to change the wet belts. What I didn't take into account was London Ford Main Dealer estimate for the work i.e. north of £2000. The person I sold it to got advice from a local garage and flipped it without doing the work because he was told it would be trouble. I know the work is a pain but I thought £1000 would have covered the work. Seems you need special tools for this job and Ford are pretty much the only people who have them. Lovely car runs like a dream. I thought cost would be about £350 parts and 6/7 hours labour. I live in the midlands and was amazed at London Ford Dealersip price.
That's what you get when you strap a turbo to a small engine. A bit like novas and Renault 5's used to be in the 80's. Don't seem to have learnt anything have they
It all started i think when they tried to get diesel economy out of petrol cars. I had a focus 1.8 with 120 bhp and it would do only 25mpg in town, 35 on a run. My previous focus 1.6 prior to that did 37 on average and 42 on a run but wasn't quick. Hence the upgrade to the thirstier 1.8. My current golf 1.5tsi will do 35 in town and 52 on a run. But it's so much more complex. And in the first few years that won't matter. Long term I fear for it's reliability above about 7 years old whereas the old Ford 57 plate is still on the road. As our 2nd vehicle I made the mistake of buying a mini Convertible 2012 with a prince engine. Since realised the amount that can go wrong on that is massive. Luckily it's the N18 not the N14 but already needed new thermostat (restricted performance mode randomly) and 2 new coil packs (smooth until you put you foot last half way then shuts a cylinder off) in 2 months. The car is 10 years old. Luckily I have a good specialist and they didn't believe the 9 faults shown by ECU. Gradually replaced parts for reasonable cost and now it's working right. But the ECU was showing vaanos issues, turbo, fuel pump issues. All of which apparently were due to it being confused by running with a misfire. But too complex. But that's what you get for 181bhp and 40mpg. Accept 30 mpg and get a NA 2.0 and repairs will be less I'm sure. New on a 3 year lease the ecoboosts make sense. Good economy, quick and advanced. Used though, over 5 years old small turbo petrols are not that durable it would seem.
Can u remember when the rover k series engine was popular this engine got a reputation for headgasket failiure and after a few yrs u couldnt give em.away i can see this happening with any ford fitted with this engine the auction houses will be full of them as deslers will dump them down there as wont retail them and they be worth very little
I have one of this, just for City, it s a 1.0 petrol, not ecoboost, 1st 2nd 3rd gear it goes ok, 4th and 5th you have time for snack. But for city , it's just enough and fair car. And yeah, I did started to see a lot of them, and similar.
Well great advice Lee, keep away from the 1 L eco boost, enough to scare me, and of course you being a dealer why retail it,with all the potential problems
Love the way fiestas and focus’s drive, the best but I would not entertain this engine yet its in new puma’s as well, bizarre, great video, everyone can learn from your experience, bet you’ve saved someone thousands in repairs
I haven’t heard much horror stories on the later Eco boost engines, the earlier ones did have issues though. However the wet belt change costs on the 1.0 engines puts me right off them. I am more of a fan of the older Bulletproof Sigma Ford engines, the ones that came in the MK1 focus to the Fiestas. All the Fords I have had have been utterly reliable though, never has put a foot wrong and has been more reliable than the Japanese stuff I have owned. It’s a shame they stopped production of the Fiesta.
@@shaka7594 I have a friend had a Mk1 Focus 1.6 auto. Bought it for £3k with 40k on the clock. Sold it 10 years later with 135k on the clock for £950! 🤷🏻♂️
I tried to be clever avoiding an EcoBoom when I bought one. 17 plate 1.25 bought. Bottom end went on 9,000 miles, was a fight to get Ford to fix it under warranty.
Unlucky, that was the only weakness of that engine, when it was introduced in 1996 Ford did recall them due to bottom end bearing failure but generally a very good engine that didn't mind a good rev.
@IfInDoubt.. Like I said unlucky, the issues with that engine were highlighted very early on and we're fixed, my parents had one of the first mk4 on 96 N plate and we had two recalls in the first year. The first was for the bottom end, the second was for faulty hydraulics on the clutch. The recall letter came 2 weeks late for the latter as the RAC had already dropped it back at the dealer when the pedal hit the floor and didn't come back up when my mum was driving it to work one morning.
Noted! yes rodeo mic on the way, I sometimes use the mic set up with muffler on the camera but its a big daft thing and fav to set up, hence rodeo clip on. thanks for the feedback macca 👍👍
I've got a 2012 Ford Fiesta Titanium 2012 with the 1.4 sigma engine. Had it for just over 4 years, awesome car. 4 cylinder duratec engines far more reliable than the ecoboost :)
worth keeping an eye on them for coolant leaks, the plastic thermostat housing and other unions onto the block can rot dislodging the seals, cam sensor can leak oil from the o ring too. As with all of them inspect the header tank regularly for cracks too.
I have a 2013 1.0 ecoboost and done replacing wetbelt recently as it has 120k kilometers on it. It’s not as bad as everybody thinks its a small car with small engine i can squeze a lot more with it but why would i do that i know the cars limitation i cannot chase a ferrari on the free way and there is no point in doing it. It cheap on fuel and good for city driving. If you want a car that can get you from point A to B its a good car,but if youre like that race car driver type of guy dont get this car it is not build for racing.
Mate of mine has one with 66k on the clock. Only ever serviced by Ford from new. He hears the horror stories so books it in to get the belt changed. They happily took his money off him (over a grand). He asks them to save the old belt which they did & hey presto it looks like new. In my opinion the job didnt need doing but Ford did nothing to advise him it would be ok.
Another excellent video. I really do love the way you share your knowledge on this channel. Please do keep these coming and good luck with the new venture.
The engine is not from Yamaha but was designed by Ford themselves. Project led by Dunton UK team and had input from other Ford sites in Europe. This info comes from Ford themselves plus press material.
It was designed in colab with mazda and Yamaha, this information is widely available and known. I even remember the promotion board back in the day in my local Bristol street motors with a motorbike and the fiesta saying ''' Yamaha engineered '' 🤷♂️
There's a Fiesta mk7 1lt variant that is not the Ecoboost one and it's called "Duratec" and it's not turbocharged. It's 80Hp but correct me if I'm wrong they are way WAAAAY more reliable than the Ecoboost ones to the point that it's kinda unfair that they get the bad reputation as a whole Fiesta generation. They look identical in trim levels with the Ecoboost ones so you need to know exactly what you're looking at.
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Yes, at least you know when it blow up.
thats a good one
I see these all the time in work. Shame on Ford for producing such a pile of junk. As you said the 1.25 was a cracking engine and the 1.6 as well.
Never had a problem. Right oil and regular changes never been a problem
That's great to hear👍 and I don't wish unreliability on anyone, however I just tell it how it is and what my experience is on working on hundreds of them.
That's exactly it, looked after properly they are a magnificent engine 👍
Between my son and I we’ve done about 25k miles on our eco boost now (140) and I’ve changed oil 5 times so far. Car has done 36k miles. People slack on looking after a car then they end up with the issues it creates.
Had these engines for the last 10 years and never had a single issue. I do have main dealer service and know about using the right oil. Unfortunately a lot of people don’t and will top up there engine with the wrong stuff . It should have been a chain belt from the start imo.
@@michaelc6325 I know of three all fine
I sold my 2013 fiesta ecoboost 125bhp with 108'000 miles on it.
My mate down the road still has his 2013 fiesta ecoboost 99bhp which he has had since 600 miles, is still his daily with 150'000 miles.
Neither had a timing belt .
We part exchanged for a chain driven engined car after a £950 quote for the wet belt change on the fiesta .
Fair play to him
I had a 2012 1.0 ( 99bhp) focus Titanium for 3.5 years from 66k to 82k. Did the de-gas hose but not the Belt. Moved it on and was sad to see it go. A guy came up from London to buy it for £400 less than I paid for it!! It was a bloody brilliant car. £20 year tax, 420 miles on a 40L tank. All the toys and a fun drive. They are great IMHO
Timing belts...they just don't belong in cars do they ?. Considering the environment they have to operate in it's no wonder they disintegrate. Another manufacturer giving zero "f"s about their product once it's a few years old. It's "wear & tear" innit ?.
Really wasn't expecting consumer advice from a car dealer so thank you for the heads up on the disasters that await if you roll the dice and buy a Ford with the Ecoboost.
Cracking video! “Buyer Beware!”, so very true where the ecoboost engine is concerned.
Got same car and age. Lower mileage 63k never had an issue with it. Sailed through 4 x MOT's.
not enough mileage yet, do yourself a favour and sell it when you've put a few more miles on it.
Wet belts grrrrrr.naturally aspirated engine much more reliable, not as nippy or frugal, but much safer bet.great vid as usual, some handy tips to owners or potential buyers.
Great vlog… you’ve confirmed the many potential problems that I’ve heard about the 1 litre eco-boom engines.👍
We had a ford focus 2018 1.0 and it had full ford service history and it went bang on the way to work i was out of work for 4 months because of it sadly nearly lost the house months of fighting ford offered me a settlement i brought a seat leon and never looked back
Thank you for the thorough assessment. 19:53 My son was about to purchase a Ford Fiesta with a 1.0 litre Petrol EcoBoost engine. God Bless you and thank you !!
My Audi tdi I always run for a minute after a long journey or if I’ve been pushing the engine just to let the oil cool and the turbo , improves the life of it
Ford service say replace the cam belt at 10 years, belt is reliable if oil change is done at correct intervals using correct oil
And it's a very expensive job
I have a 2014 1.0 Fiesta ecoboost. Currently 36,700 miles. I change my oil and filters every year even though I only do about 1,400 miles per year. I recently changed my oil, and thankfully I didn't find anything in the oil which I drained (admittedly I didn't put a rag through the sump plug hole and rub in to the bottom of the sump) but apart from being dirty there was nothing untoward in the oil. My insuarnce is cheap and it's zero road rax, and if I trade in I will have that to consider.
Great to hear, might be worth having the strainer cleaned when you get to sort of 60k major service time. might cost a few hours labour but I promise you there will be crud blocked in the strainer. Even flushing oil cannot shift it ☹️
@@carukchannel thanks for the info. I have spent a lot of money on my car, and it would probably pay to have the wet belt changed. I retire abroad in 2031, just need the car to hold out until then 🤣
Inspect the oil filter for particales of rubber and metal
@@Paul-ue8tn will look at that the next time I change the oil and filter. Appreciate the advice
I recently got a second hand 2014 1.0 EcoBoost. What oil and filters is it you've changed, are they specifically to do with that sump pump that's part of the wet belt? As you can gather I know very little about engines, and I'm looking to find out as much info as I can.
I asked Ford about changing the belt, and they want £2100 for it! That's ridiculously high and not worth it for the price I paid for the car.
reading the comments and noticed split opinions. I think this reflects the fact that there are lots of these on the road, and some survive just fine if serviced and used lightly. I think the bad ones are those that worked hard and had deferred maintenance. Obviously, things like fuel pumps fail on many cars, so it's not Ford specific problem. Direct injection, turbo charging and long service intervals only add fuel to the fire when it comes to reliability. The best engines were usually free of VVT''s , no turbos, port injected, dry belt or accessible chain, 4 cylinders or more. The progress in technology has not done much good to reliability. It's all about tail pipe emissions and fuel saving with a heavier reliability tax.
This is spot on and agree the development for less emissions has over complicated engines.
i have a 2013 fiesta mk7 with the 1.0 ecoboost and never had any problems with it and i even have the duel clutch automatic and that gets called garbage but everything works perfectly fine for me but i do keep a good look at everything and have things done regularly and i have 142.000 on it so it's definitely time to have the wetbelt swapped soon before it turns into the so called ecoboom 😂
The BIO (belt in oil) scenario affects most small turbo engines - PSA, Ford, VW etc - had the oil pick up blocked through nothing more than a degrading OEM belt on a 1.2 DS3 - all in a car with a full main dealer service history.
Brave man.
Ecoboom
Great when they are running well
Spot on with removing the sump. This is the thing with car owners changing their oil at 10,000m. 5,000m is where it should be,lots if issues can happen. Many Toyotas owners do it 10,000+ miles,why? No more than 5,000m,using good oil with cheap filter is ok, cheap oil + cheap filter NOT ok at 10,000m. The VVT & solenoid get blocked too on Toyotas which is bad. Use a named brand of oil,none of this rubbish Mannola oil you see at GFS,euro car parts etc.
the problem with many Toyota Lexus items is that you have to service at main dealer to keep their 10 years relax warranty. The interval is 10k miles, so people stick to it. If something goes wrong, Toyota will fix it. A more frequent change at the dealer would bankrupt many people. I am not sure if they allow you to service the car on your own, it could void the warranty. Once 10 years pass you can extend the warranty or move the car on, so technically you never have to worry about the state of the engine, unless you intent to keep it for 15 years +
Gotta remember how many of these engines sold…. Fiesta and focus the main sellers of this engine were top 2 selling cars in the UK for basically 2012 at launch to 2020 when they swapped to the later 1.0 with chain instead of belts….
Obviously when your selling twice as many cars than your competitor you are gonna see more failures…. From experience you probably see 1 in 5/6 that are bad. I’d say that is no worse than corsa with timing chains. Prince engines with everything 🤷🏻♂️
Sigma is great but so outdated with mileage and emissions. Gotta be DV6 high power or 1.0 ecoboost every day!
I currently drive a 1.0L Ecoboost Fiesta (65 plate) and have no problems what so ever. All i recommend is that you get it fully serviced at least once every 2 years or every 6,000 miles which comes first.
I drive mine lightly, i'm aware of the horror stories but mine's still going strong today.
Still going?
@@niksusnible7473 Yeah, very healthily.
@@jamierawlins1702 All i can say is my driving instructor back in 2019 had an Ecoboost and his went through 20,000 miles a year on lessons and his worked ok. Probably because he regularly serviced it.
Love the fact these are sooo reliable Not 😂 I remember when these launched and some doubted my opinion of these tiny little engines that are massively overworked and will go bang, it was inevitable, shame as Ford are capable of making good vehicles.
Fiesta is a brilliant car, when it doesn't have this engine in it.
I'd do the preventatuve maintenance or clean out you mentioned of all those parts then retail it BUT I would price in another service in the retail price and offer the customer s free service in the 6 month liability period. So they'll return for the service and I'll refresh the oil and clean the easily accessible parts again which should give the customer another year of trouble free motoring.
I had a Fiesta ZS 1.0, serviced every 6000 miles and sold it at 64k miles. Terrific car during my ownership, totally faultless apart from a battery when it was about 7. It never missed a beat, was reasonably nippy, great fun at lower speeds, it even sounded terrific. I drive a wide variety of cars and it was genuinely fun, particularly because you can give it the beans quite a lot of the time and be well within speed limits. The Mk7.5 really needed a 6th gear for cruising though, which the Mk8 got.
The 1.25 65hp is woefully slow, less than half the hp of the top spec ecoboost, I couldn’t live with one personally, but it’s a battle axe. If you don’t go on motorways often it wouldn’t be too bad.
Truthfully I would be very wary of keeping an ecoboost 1.0 beyond 80k miles, and I really don’t think it’s a big enough engine for a focus personally. Mk8 Fiesta quality really nosedived, a really sad way to see out the name.
Try the C-Max MK2 which I’ve got with 1.0 125HP 6 Speed , that’s even bigger or the Mondeo or transit Custom ( ridiculous for a transit) but they are out there but rare 👍
mk7 fiesta build quality isn't great
"Alot of things go wrong with this engine, most of them catastrophic", brutally honest and true, and as these things get older and fall out of dealer servicing it will only get worse. How did Ford get it so wrong?
Even worse, changing the belts is an engine out job, circa £1000 🤦#BuildInObsolescence #FinancialWriteOff
@@FatHead1979 £2600 at Evans Halshaw in Chester, until they are price matched to £1500 by other Ford dealers, conning cnuts.
Ford charge £1695 inc’ VAT to change a belt on this engine as of July 2023 , I know a guy who recently enquired at Ford for a quote on a 62 Reg Focus mk3 1.0 with nearly 55,000 miles on it .
By going too cheap? Ford was looking to save money as much as possible and they tipped it over the edge.
The Focus is terrible for water leaks too. I guess fix or repair daily stands true.
Theirs a pressure switch under the air filter pipe that goes wrong as do turbos as do the wet belt blocking the oil pump up
Everything I read says using the correct oil and servicing has been the problem, 5w20 is like water using heavier oils kills that engine.
They have a wet belt for the camshaft and the oil pump, later 1.0 ecoboost cars have gone back to a chain on the camshaft but still have a wet belt for the oil pump, you can tell the difference by looking at the engine if the exhaust and inlet are on the back of the engine the car has a chain fitted on the camshaft and the wet belt on the oil pump, the earlier cars with both wet belts have the exhaust on the front with the metal shield over it @11:32, the fiesta st 1.5 engines have a wet belt for the oil pump also from about feb 2019, when the belt lets go the small bits of the teeth that have broken off block up the strain filter on the oil pump in the sump, this causes lack of oil being pump around the engine this basically knackers/destorys the engine componets inside, also the head gaskets are prone to going causing water in the cylinders, this causes hydrolock which can bend rods and also destorys the engine. I guess with some decent servicing every 6000 miles or so you may get better results. who knows?. ymmv
I have had a focus ecoboost for nearly 6 years. The oil strainer blocked about 5 years ago and then the belt went at just over 60,000 miles. The car has just done 78,000 miles.
Sorry to hear that niallhickey
When the strainer blocked you should've had the belt done. Belt particles in the strainer should've told you that the belt was deteriating.
Excellent video will some great advice I thank you for. have not long ago brought a 65 plate cmax with this engine with only 35000 on the clock and have had the wet belt replaced at ford main dealer, I also have a 3 year warranty on the car which I paid extra for,,,,it's a really nice comfortable car,,
Appreciate u r dealer insight,got 3 of these engines in family highest mileage 90 k ,no engine probs with 6k oil changes.Think it depends more how they are or are nt cared for…?
Yes it does make a big difference servicing them on time or in your case over service in preventing belt degrading
My 1.0l eco boost focus went bang on the M6. Pulled over to phone the AA. Ten minutes later it was a complete fireball. I'm not even joking. These things are downright dangerous
@@dennythescar80s8 serviced every year. Had 58,000 on the clock
What was the cause
What age was the car and mileage? Did you have any work done on it I.e the belt ? I'd like to know what made that happen as I drive a 17 plate focus myself.
Was it a grey ford focus?
About 33-40% keep up servicing older cars. Max max. . Sold 9500 odd cars last two decades. Manufacturers know once over over c.5-8 years of age 2nd 3rd owner servicing goes out window !!!! Brilliant. More cars sold more return plug play engine swap. A non refurbishable unit the 1.0 EcoB. As Ford say. As they would. Just like nobody fixes a toaster for a tenner. A massive TV for £200. Bad wicked world. Can now see my granddads arguments against cheap Chinese priced cheap parts and inbuilt obsellesance
Back in April I bought a Peugeot 308 SW with the Puretech engine. Within 8 days the engine failed and no oil in it. The dealer, Carpoint UK in Newport Wales, would not help me. So while a good dealer like you would help you are not all born equal. Thank god I financed it as MotoNovo were brilliant. They dealt with it and after 5 months I got all my money back with interest and the dealer was forced to take the car back. I now drive a 2021 plate Kia Ceed and NO wet belt in sight!
Seems a straight guy, trustworthy.
No problems here! Had a 63 plate Fiesta S ecoboost with the mountune stage one upgrade. Owned her for 3½ years, not one issue. Economical, quick & very reliable. I traded her in beginning of this year for a FiST. Only lost £600 on her over my time of ownership. Heard other dealers refuse part exchange of this engine but with only hearsay to base their opinion. Doesn't seem fair to me.
The bigger eco boost 3 cyl engine had mass recalls and class action suites in other countries too, not just the 1.0.
It amazes me that the 1.0 is fitted to kuga's and modeos
If it wasn't for the wet belts these would probably be a very reliable engine, even with a wet belt people stil manage 100k+ without major breakdown, how many 1.0l engines could boast that 20 years ago.
later version eco engines are going chain drive from what i've been told but that may just be the bigger version, I would much prefer a direct gear drive for a truly fit and forget solution.
@@prawny12009 My FiST is a four cylinder 1600cc. Zero performance upgrades. Engines only just been run in at 23,000 miles so time will tell......so far, so good👍
The seagulls are laughing at the engine 🤣.
Mine been fine and it came for a ford dealer with full dealer service history using the correct genuine parts and correct oil ! And been looked after.
Another great video, cheers Lee. I'm obviously no trader but I do work in risk and I definitely get why you made the decision you did. 👍
Thanks split pin, 👍👍
Some top amazing tips on your videos Lee. The Wet Belt engine designs are Peugeot if my mechanic friend was right. That explains it all to be honest lol. In theory it should be a good design, in practice, as you said, it clogs everything up in there and engines don't like a lack of oil lol. Great video. Now get on and do one of your new pitch. 😜
Peugeot did the diesels for Ford from 2007 ish to 2015 ish but the petrols are pretty much all Ford (some are Mazda). These EcoBooms are all Ford.
If it helps anyone, here’s my experience putting 66k miles (from new) on a 2019 plate ecoboost Fiesta. It’s my driving school car and it’s also my ONLY car. Every one of these miles has been travelled in fear of it blowing up, and therefore I’ve had the oil changed every 6k miles (3 times more than Ford’s recommendation of 2yrs or 18k). I plan to use it for 1 more year, taking it to 88k and then sell it. Despite the fear of owning such a time bomb it’s been reliable so far, and so I’ve been able to enjoy the relatively fast performance and great economy. Make no mistake, I’m not necessarily recommending you buy one….. But if you do, I definitely feel those frequent oil changes are helping BIG TIME. But next year, I’m going for a Swift Sport (chain driven and Japanese engineering).
Thanks paul, glad its been reliable for you
Being a 2019 yours is the mk8 fiesta which has a much stronger engine then the mk7. I wouldn't worry.
@@jimmyjt16 I hadn’t heard that before, that MK8s were stronger than MK7s….. but if that’s the case then it definitely makes me feel a bit better. Cheers Jimmy 🍻
Lee you know your stuff more than me, I'm surprised you don't deal more with Toyota and Lexus, those things are pretty much invincible great to pass on without any comebacks I have a little 64 Yaris 1.4 diesel 196K on the clock and it still runs and sounds like it's brand new only ever broke down on me once it just needed a new battery and it was an ex fleet car with 135K when I bought I have owned it 7 years now, my sister always buys Fords and always has problems, BTW I love your videos I am a bit of a car enthusiast.
The 1.6 tdci DV6 is also a very good engine. Followed closely by the later 1.5 tdci which is also pretty decent. I don't touch these 1.0 ecoboost cars unless they're cheap and have full service history or they've just had a new engine.
I was given a 1.5 tdi for free, was seeking stories about the festers ... been good so far and no wet belt..
Ford seem to have redesigned this engine at some point my 2020 Puma 1.0 ecoboost mild hybrid has a chain cam engine recognisable by the turbo being at the rear of the engine instead of the front. I believe the oil pump is still driven by a small wet belt so i dont know if this will be a problem.
Sound advice Lee yet again m8 on this video to help people navigate their way around any potential problems or to make them aware what is liable to give any problems...Think in the wide scheme of things you've made the right call on it and as you say your not gonna lose money on it and worst case scenario you make a few hundred quid on it trading it on or maybe better at Auction...would be great if we had a video on the auction it goes in if it does get moved on that way...Anyway best of luck with it and see u in the next video...Hope you've settled in well now and we get a peak at these new premises soon...👏🏻👍🏻💪🏻
if you do the timing belt and clean the oil pick up then it should work ok
Local Ford independent garage near me won't do wet cambelt chage, Ford main dealer charge over £1000 but they refuse to do it if car is 10 years or more old, even 10 years and a few months
100% the right decision, not worth the drama mate
That was the best , right to the point details about the fiesta
What do you think of the Suzuki Swift Sport's reliability? The Fiesta does not look reliable at all.
We have Fiesta and Focus, both are 1.0 ecoboost. Focus currently has around 360k km, fiesta has around 210k km. Both have had the timing belt done and they have been faultless. Would never pick any other engine for Ford car.
@@dennythescar80s8 Yeah, I've noticed that too. At my workplace 8 people have cars that have wet belts, none of them complain. But all those who have never owned one are always picking on them. I know it must be though having N/A engine with no power and high fuel consumption, but come on.
Fiestas in the UK are like lamp posts. Everywhere you look they are about (a bit like Audis too). So you hear about problems more.
Cars do seem to suffer from timing belt and chain issues more in recent years. Cost cutting?
In my experience, the larger N\A engine is less stressed and will last longer. The higher fuel costs even out over time
Those numbers had me shocked until I read it was km
The fiesta on your clip no service history who would buy one without one, i have had one these 2014 plate for 5 years 60000 plus miles, really good on fuel no road tax unless its after 2017. my wife's got a 1400 2011 fiesta £180 road tax not as good on fuel and less poke, like all older cars need them serviced regularly, and dont forget they were the biggest selling car on the road for years, so theres a lot more that can go wrong.
I almost upgraded from a mk1 zetec 1.6 focus to a 1.0t ecoboost focus a year ago.. After consideration and about 2000 reviews read later decided to keep my little nugget. They may sell well but how long do they drive well for...? The focus only has 79k on it anyways, ulez compliant might aswell keep it ay?
A great video…and had no idea how bad they are…thanks
Drive down that road nearly everyday past Morrisons and HABs. Fords of Winsford just few 100mtrs down the other road. Was loving the content even before i released you were in my home town.
Wouldn't you do the bushes, two tyres and put a full MOT on it? That'd make it easier to trade on a for a bit of profit?
An old work mate of mine had this in his 12 reg focus it was on the 2nd motor when he had it in 2017 he px it for a new captur enough said. Lol😊
Had a Ford eco boost for ten years. Nice car, good to drive and reliable. Like any piece of hi-tech, regular servicing from a Ford dealer is essential.....This is not a car for amateur cheap servicing as so may have discovered....
We have my mother's old 1.25 Zetec on a 65 plate. My eldest child learning to drive in it. It is immaculate at 31k! I can get a steady 55mpg on long journeys.
“Live fast, die poor”! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That will grenade itself in about 5 minutes 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lee that fiesta could cost you lot’s 😩. A wise move shifting it on 👍👍
Fun to drive, i got 2015 automatic, 75k km, no problem, only the turbo wastegate flapper noise on low rpm
Sold my Ford focus EcoBoost yesterday. Terrible car, had a water leak when engine was hot. Got rid asap
Subscribed, gaining lots of useful information through your videos. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
Welcome aboard!
Hi Lee, really enjoy the videos mate! If you ever get a chance could you do the best Transit/Vivaro/Traffic style vans to buy between 06-12 plates please. I here there are some real problematic engines out there and would like to know which the best engines or vans to get for reliability and which to avoid. Keep up the great content!
It’s a shame about the questionable reliability of this engine, because this little Fiesta is a lovely looking car, especially in that dark blue colour.
However I do agree with you Lee, by retailing it, you could potentially be setting yourself up for quite a lot of grief, especially with the high mileage.
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The engine is really suited to the fiesta too so its ashame. Ive heard they can last a long time with regular oil changes with the correct spec oil to prevent wet belt degredation
I have serviced and looked after hundreds of these for customers and I can assure you along with countless other mates in the trade including master techs at fords that even if they are serviced as per schedule the failure rate is far higher than any other previous ford powertrain, the fact that ford give good will on them says it all. That's not exaggeration but facts and I cant undo that.
@@carukchannel Yeah I have seen examples of them lasting a good amount of time for some reason. It's worth mentioning that you shouldn't put engine flush in these
@@gamesmaster1060 Yes good point you cannot
I still get around 320 miles out of the 1,25 engine and at least 40 mpg
Got a mate with a 1.25 engine in the Square Fiesta model - just over 200k miles on the original engine which shows the value of proper servicing. I know he would jump in it tomorrow and drive to Barcelona with no fears. Neighbours grandson bought a 1.0litre ecoboom for his first car - 10 months later the engine has lunched itself......... I did warn him
Brilliant vlog I for one will never buy one of these and I'm a big ford man had them for years, and it looks like now most newer Ford's have the 1L engine even the new Puma small engine for big car but they do carry the new eco boost engine not this one, this eco boost rubbish has put me off Ford's after many happy years motoring.
Damn. I've been looking at a 1.0L EcoSport. Yeah I know they're basically a Fiesta but worse, but fits my particular list of wants.
Anyway, it'll have this engine so it's right put me off!
My view of this engine is "what do you expect when you consistently squeeze such a lot of power from a 1.0L 3 cyl engine. These engines were heralded as genius and if everything is 100% but they have a dual circuit cooling system which is the achilles heel and lets face it with a tiny turbo charged engine you do need good cooling !
I did think that myself, I believe they put them that they put them in the Mondeo and focus. Such a small engine in a big car, one car I believe had 3 engines. Before he gave up!
Mums got a corsa with a 1.2T 3 pot puretech engine. Cambelt started to fail and oil light came on at 30k. Also known for eating themselves.
@mightywatcher5894 Yeah vauxhall has been in an identity crisis for years. The early production newest gen corsas (19-21) seem like they're thrown together. Bearing in mind PSA took over vauxhall at roughly the same time. GM had to scrap the deisgn and it was redesigned in something like 18 months. Think the newest ones have the issues mostly ironed. Goes to show, always wait a few years after car is released before you think about buying.
that's a Peugeot engine isn't it because of the takeover? so the problem will affect Peugeots, Citroëns and Vauxhalls with that engine...
Vauxhalls have always been reliable in my experience. Pot luck with cars, some are better than others
Seen a lot of Vauxhalls broken down by the roadside
We had a 67 plate ecoboost Fiest Titanium (no badges?) The day we went to trade it in, I started the engine and put it first gear and it set off backwards! My wife was sat in the passenger seat. I braked quickly and put in neutral and tried again. It set off backwards again. 'Try restarting the engine', said my perplexed wife. I restarted it and all was okay. We traded it in with it's broken air conditioning and I've mentioned this to a lot of people in the trade and none have ever heard of this happening before. So have you ever heard of ANY car doing this?
I paid £8,000 for mine in feb this year. It’s a 5 door, in colour white, no scratches on the car at all. two previous owners, the last being an elderly lady. The car had 24,324 miles on the clock. It’s been an awesome car so far.
The old lady is a classic 😂
Hi Lee. Christ your right. The worst engine ever lol. It's a Shame it has that Engine in it because it looks the Part. It looked nice at the Auction when i first saw it. Great Colour. Great year 2014. And it looks lovely and clean. Such a Shame. You will have to flog it on to one of your Mate's and make a small profit. So it could be better but an Awful lot worse Lee. Anyway another Great Video again. Chat later buddy. 😅😅
Lee, back in the day I did my time at a Triumph Stag specialist. the engine was universally slated, unjustly in my view. this EcoBoom! engine looks like a true dog and takes me back to the old Essex v4 with fibre timing gears that stripped and it literally shook itself to pieces.
it would be logical to have an aftermarket replacement chain kit for the EcoBoom!, effectively fixing the cause of most issues in one hit but I couldn't find anything.
why would you risk you're credibility retailing it? couldn't agree more with your SPQR exit strategy.
"Boom! Shake, shake, shake the room, Tic-tic-tic-tic boom!"
edit: the EcoBoom! is an Essex. haven't they learnt anything in the past 60 years?
Lee, recently sold focus titanium 1l eco boost. 2012 with 20000k. Full service history. Score of 929 out of 999 on history report. Sold to someone I knew. I flagged up the wet belts issues. Deducted what I thought was a reasonable amount to change the wet belts. What I didn't take into account was London Ford Main Dealer estimate for the work i.e. north of £2000. The person I sold it to got advice from a local garage and flipped it without doing the work because he was told it would be trouble. I know the work is a pain but I thought £1000 would have covered the work. Seems you need special tools for this job and Ford are pretty much the only people who have them. Lovely car runs like a dream. I thought cost would be about £350 parts and 6/7 hours labour. I live in the midlands and was amazed at London Ford Dealersip price.
There is a place in Birmingham that does them for £650, that's where I would be sending them if one is needed
Yo hice el servicio el año pasado en taller oficial Ford en España por 1100 eur,kit completo, correas,bomba de agua, aceite y filtro.
That's what you get when you strap a turbo to a small engine. A bit like novas and Renault 5's used to be in the 80's. Don't seem to have learnt anything have they
It all started i think when they tried to get diesel economy out of petrol cars. I had a focus 1.8 with 120 bhp and it would do only 25mpg in town, 35 on a run. My previous focus 1.6 prior to that did 37 on average and 42 on a run but wasn't quick. Hence the upgrade to the thirstier 1.8. My current golf 1.5tsi will do 35 in town and 52 on a run. But it's so much more complex. And in the first few years that won't matter. Long term I fear for it's reliability above about 7 years old whereas the old Ford 57 plate is still on the road. As our 2nd vehicle I made the mistake of buying a mini Convertible 2012 with a prince engine. Since realised the amount that can go wrong on that is massive. Luckily it's the N18 not the N14 but already needed new thermostat (restricted performance mode randomly) and 2 new coil packs (smooth until you put you foot last half way then shuts a cylinder off) in 2 months. The car is 10 years old. Luckily I have a good specialist and they didn't believe the 9 faults shown by ECU. Gradually replaced parts for reasonable cost and now it's working right. But the ECU was showing vaanos issues, turbo, fuel pump issues. All of which apparently were due to it being confused by running with a misfire. But too complex. But that's what you get for 181bhp and 40mpg. Accept 30 mpg and get a NA 2.0 and repairs will be less I'm sure. New on a 3 year lease the ecoboosts make sense. Good economy, quick and advanced. Used though, over 5 years old small turbo petrols are not that durable it would seem.
I think older cars pre 2013 were far more reliable and less advanced. All these turbo petrols are poor designs
VW 1.4 tsi post 2013 ish seems to be one of the better ones.
Can u remember when the rover k series engine was popular this engine got a reputation for headgasket failiure and after a few yrs u couldnt give em.away i can see this happening with any ford fitted with this engine the auction houses will be full of them as deslers will dump them down there as wont retail them and they be worth very little
I have one of this, just for City, it s a 1.0 petrol, not ecoboost, 1st 2nd 3rd gear it goes ok, 4th and 5th you have time for snack. But for city , it's just enough and fair car. And yeah, I did started to see a lot of them, and similar.
Well great advice Lee, keep away from the 1 L eco boost, enough to scare me, and of course you being a dealer why retail it,with all the potential problems
I’ve had 3 of these. Never had an issue. I drive an A class now and it’s not as fun to drive as the Fiesta.
From what I've heard it's the wet belt that causes all the main problems
Yes most issues are due to the wetbelt design
Love the way fiestas and focus’s drive, the best but I would not entertain this engine yet its in new puma’s as well, bizarre, great video, everyone can learn from your experience, bet you’ve saved someone thousands in repairs
The new puma ecoboost engines are chain driven.
@@tonyc2837but the oil pump is still belt in oil which seems completely pointless
I haven’t heard much horror stories on the later Eco boost engines, the earlier ones did have issues though. However the wet belt change costs on the 1.0 engines puts me right off them.
I am more of a fan of the older Bulletproof Sigma Ford engines, the ones that came in the MK1 focus to the Fiestas. All the Fords I have had have been utterly reliable though, never has put a foot wrong and has been more reliable than the Japanese stuff I have owned. It’s a shame they stopped production of the Fiesta.
In 2018 in focus and 2020 in fiesta they swapped over to a timing chain rather than double belt system that’s why you hear less issues
The ecoboost engine is the subject of a $40m class action suit in the US because they was so 💩!
I did like mty 1.6 mk1 focus though with the yamaha built engine,
Ford focus mark1 lx, 21 years Zetec Engine, 130k mileage, still going strong
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I have a friend had a Mk1 Focus 1.6 auto. Bought it for £3k with 40k on the clock. Sold it 10 years later with 135k on the clock for £950! 🤷🏻♂️
To be honest I would not touch one of these fiestas Eco Boom !! What more can I say Zetecs spot on excellent engine , get shot Lee don't retail 👍
I tried to be clever avoiding an EcoBoom when I bought one. 17 plate 1.25 bought. Bottom end went on 9,000 miles, was a fight to get Ford to fix it under warranty.
Unlucky, that was the only weakness of that engine, when it was introduced in 1996 Ford did recall them due to bottom end bearing failure but generally a very good engine that didn't mind a good rev.
@@AJ-tj7jm I've had many Yamaha Zetecs over the years and that one is the only one to ever give a moments bother.
@IfInDoubt.. Like I said unlucky, the issues with that engine were highlighted very early on and we're fixed, my parents had one of the first mk4 on 96 N plate and we had two recalls in the first year. The first was for the bottom end, the second was for faulty hydraulics on the clutch. The recall letter came 2 weeks late for the latter as the RAC had already dropped it back at the dealer when the pedal hit the floor and didn't come back up when my mum was driving it to work one morning.
1.25 is a good engine and failures like this are very rare
Think I'll stick with my 1ltr aygo been a great car and easy to learn DIY mechanics
A good idea 👍👍
Going forward be good if you wore a proper mic , noticed a few times Audio is crackling or muffled on a few vids 👍, great content
Noted! yes rodeo mic on the way, I sometimes use the mic set up with muffler on the camera but its a big daft thing and fav to set up, hence rodeo clip on. thanks for the feedback macca 👍👍
I've got a 2012 Ford Fiesta Titanium 2012 with the 1.4 sigma engine. Had it for just over 4 years, awesome car. 4 cylinder duratec engines far more reliable than the ecoboost :)
My 1,25 engine takes some abuse and it's fine
@tomjardine100 You can't go wrong with the duratec engines!
worth keeping an eye on them for coolant leaks, the plastic thermostat housing and other unions onto the block can rot dislodging the seals, cam sensor can leak oil from the o ring too.
As with all of them inspect the header tank regularly for cracks too.
Thank you for the advice 😊
I was looking at a 2016 Fiesta Ecoboost in May 2021, almost bought it but since I heard about the problems with ecoboost, I'm glad I didn't
I had a fiesta for while, I used to wave at other fiesta drivers but would always get ignored. Except for that I enjoyed the car.
Well I don’t blame them. As a fiesta driver myself I would be like “why tf is this guy waving at me” since they’re not uncommon at all
I sometimes get a wave
What I fail to understand is why Ford thought the wet belt system was a viable solution? why didn't they just use a dry belt mounted externally???
I have a 2013 1.0 ecoboost and done replacing wetbelt recently as it has 120k kilometers on it. It’s not as bad as everybody thinks its a small car with small engine i can squeze a lot more with it but why would i do that i know the cars limitation i cannot chase a ferrari on the free way and there is no point in doing it. It cheap on fuel and good for city driving. If you want a car that can get you from point A to B its a good car,but if youre like that race car driver type of guy dont get this car it is not build for racing.
My 2011 fiesta 1.4 Diesel done 160k engine like new bit of noise from final drive and aux drive belt rollers
I’d rather piss in the wind than own a Ecoboost Ford! I was close to buying a 2018 Ecoboost Focus, glad I didn’t!
Mate of mine has one with 66k on the clock. Only ever serviced by Ford from new. He hears the horror stories so books it in to get the belt changed. They happily took his money off him (over a grand). He asks them to save the old belt which they did & hey presto it looks like new. In my opinion the job didnt need doing but Ford did nothing to advise him it would be ok.
What do you think of the 1.6 Ecoboost used in the ST versions of those Fiestas?
I am told they do still have issues but I have not personally come across any, I would imagine them to be a little more robust than the 1.0
Another excellent video. I really do love the way you share your knowledge on this channel. Please do keep these coming and good luck with the new venture.
Great watch that lad, & thanks again for sharing.
Without fail every video/vlog im lerning something new here @Car uk 👍🚗👍
Many thanks cw
The engine is not from Yamaha but was designed by Ford themselves. Project led by Dunton UK team and had input from other Ford sites in Europe. This info comes from Ford themselves plus press material.
It was designed in colab with mazda and Yamaha, this information is widely available and known. I even remember the promotion board back in the day in my local Bristol street motors with a motorbike and the fiesta saying ''' Yamaha engineered '' 🤷♂️
There's a Fiesta mk7 1lt variant that is not the Ecoboost one and it's called "Duratec" and it's not turbocharged. It's 80Hp but correct me if I'm wrong they are way WAAAAY more reliable than the Ecoboost ones to the point that it's kinda unfair that they get the bad reputation as a whole Fiesta generation. They look identical in trim levels with the Ecoboost ones so you need to know exactly what you're looking at.
I've had my 1.5L ecoboost focus for 8 years now and it's still going strong. Did they make them much different from the 1L?
I think its just a case of servicing the car properly with the correct oil changes.