Ford Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost part 2- Ecoboost or Eco Boom!
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- Can we save the 1.0 ecoboost engine having suffered low oil pressure due to the wetbelt (cam belt) failing and blocking the oil pump. Or is it a new engine required?
The strip down continues
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Trust me that forty years as a mechanic, never put a used engine in unless you know all its history not even 99 percent of its history 100 percent.
Yes agreed that's why I went for a full recon engine with warranty.
Great video, another thing to watch on the ford fiesta including the focus the cooling expansion filler tank can develop small hairline cracks caused by the tank becoming brital with heat and age. The first you know about this is when you notice leaking coolent by the pulleys giving the impression of leaking water pump . The cracks usually develop underneath the expansion tank were you carnt see it .
I owned a 2013 Focus Ecoboost for 4 years, and luckily it gave me no problems. I moved it on at 50k miles though, having heard about the issues. I now have a Skoda Kamiq with the 1.0 litre 110bhp 3 cylinder VW engine. I'd say this engine is a little smoother and quieter than the Ford Ecoboost. It's also better on fuel, and doesn't require 14 hours to change the timing belt.....
Try Wurth-Rost-Off , yes spelt “Rost” as its German but the spray freezes the nut or bolt to -45c then turns blue thus shrinking the nut or bolt by 5% , it’s dam good stuff for these jobs & perfect for seized brake bleed nipples too 👍
@@richie674 I'll give that ago thanks
In short,
you buy an eco engine with a wet belt at the oil pump because it performs better in eco terms.
Then you are forced to change oil at least x3 times as often (very eco-friendly) and pray that it will save the engine,
and if you are lucky enough then at 60k miles you will pay a significant amount to replace the belt
and keep changing oils !!
@@billpet4602 haha. Yes that about sums it up.
I was thinking of buying a 1.5 Ecoboost Fiesta ST. The earlier versions (up to around March 2019) had a chain for the oil pump drive, but the later ones used a belt like this. I think I will give them a miss.
I'm never ever touching a ford again. Cannot deal with the anxiety of owning one. 😠😠😠
Recently bought a 2015 Fiesta Ecoboost 125. Looked nice in black and fun to drive but I've heard too many horror stories of these engines so got rid and now drive a Honda Civic VTech
Honda bullet proof engine. Good move
Mines in the garage with a coolant leak. Possibly leaking into the engine. Had nothing but issues with the car. Once fixed I’m selling it
That's unfortunate. I'm hopeful that in buying one priced with knackered engine and then installing a recon should see us good for a while.
I'm watching this in horror as a time served marine fitter/turner. I bought a new 3 cyl 1.0L, after a years wait, Fiesta Sport Van fully loaded apart from Power Fold Mirrors for personal use only, and certainly want many miles of trouble free motoring and what I'm seeing on YT does not make happy viewing.
If it news to you then it's a good start. Use correct oil and change every 5k miles. However I think the very latest ones had reverted to a chain.
from 7/2018 on with chain for the cams, but I dont know about the belt for the oil pump, still belt or chain - maybe someone knows
@roberthopf3376 I believe pump is still a belt
luckily - I had no idea about this problems - I bought my C-Max in Oktober 2018, the papers say it was assembled in August, so very lucky. That calms me a little, but still this damn oilpump belt. Changing time for the camchain is either 240.000 km or 10 years (I found that out in the net) so in 5 years chain and belt are being replaced, and the oil pump strainer will be cleaned. What else would you recommend? I use the right oil and change it once a year, approximately 10.000 km@@vintagesteelgarage
@@roberthopf3376 yes regular oil changes and the correct grade will help.
Ford by now MUST know that the wet belt is not working, I wonder why they are still using them?
I believe the latest ecoboost engines have a chain not a belt.
@@vintagesteelgarageasked technician at Ford dealership about these they are all wet belt he said the only engine with timing chain is some of transit vans
OK good info. Thanks.
Puma uses a Cam Chain but still Wet Belt for Oil Pump, Best thing you can do is buy a Toyota and F Ford.
so a poorly maintained car goes boom, who would've guessed! xD ?
Ironically the previous owner had just had it serviced. Obviously too late damage already done.
My 2018 eco sport st 67000 miles missed 1 service last year but had a service this year by ford but 5 months later and only 1500 miles it went boom . Had to get rid of it . Ford wanted 8 k for new engine
Wow that's really bad of ford.
Oil change and filter every 5000 miles is the key to this engines survival
Yes an absolute must 👍
is 6000 too long?
6k OK but best to do before 8k.
And don't use an engine flush when changing the oil, as they can break down the belt.
Yes that's very good point I hadn't thought of that. Or any other additive such as sea foam.
Glad I did not buy this version, and opted for the tried and tested 1.6 NA
I had ford fiesta 2013 1.0 ecoboost, just changed oil pump and belt and got away with it.
You where lucky then I have heard a few do that.
Ford have redesigned the block as there is not enough metal between the bores and the engine overheats.
OK thank for info
Know someone whose Fiesta ecoboost has just failed at just 50k miles and 6 years of use. Needs whole new engine at £3500.
Ouch
Great video! Those jacks look ace. Where did you get them from? 🙂
From Costco. But you can buy direct from quickjacks
Brave man all them hours to find the engine is scrap.
Ford should be ashamed
Designing a self destructing engine wet belts certainty are not the future
I knew it was broke when we bought it. was just a case of how bad. Yes a very bad design indeed
Leave it to ford to use a Belt exposed to oil. This is a major failure and i am expecting a class action lawsuit
I'm sure they'll get out of it be saying the correct oil hasn't been used
@@vintagesteelgarage There's people out there that have had nothing but dealer oil chand they're still having problems..
Hi Andy, I've owned Focuseseses for years so I know just how cramped the engine bays are. Wouldn't even attempt what you have any more! I had my fingers crossed for the engine.
There is far too many sensors and wiring. What till you see part 3!
sneak preview of part 3 here studio.th-cam.com/users/videojr_FfazMQMQ/edit
I am always amazed at the hard work Andy puts into his cars.
My 2019 Fiesta has just been diagnosed as needing a new engine due to low oil pressure. Done 115k and 40k of those in last 18 months. A shame as I quite liked the old girl.
Its shocking isnt it ona 4 year old car.
It is really. However it's a company car and they don't have them serviced at main dealers which had they done then possibly it might not have happened. It was serviced about 3 weeks before the low oil pressure light came on. I have 2 MG's with the k-series engine.....much maligned but still going strong at 18 and 21 years old.
@@michaelbousfield4778 company car. Well. Rhay softerned the blow then. A bet the MG'a are startting to become collectors items.
Bloody wet belts, why do they use them 🤦 what was wrong with a nice dry cambelt.
Couldn't agree more.
Your are not alone brother same thing with my 1 l ecoboost ford at 160 000 km motor is dead because of wet belt and stuck pump oil... cost of repaire 8000 € and because i made the flush of oil myself every 20000 km ...i will not have the help of ford..
Wow thats expensive. I assume thats the final garage bill including labour.
@@vintagesteelgarage yes but with New motor I guess ..and new turbo ...i try to get second hand motor i think i can reduce the price to 4000 € after that i will sell the car . I had the chance to save my car 1 month ago with the vacuum pump was stuck with debris of belt and i was not sure about it... i have also problem with the valve on vacuum pump
You can buy the vac pump part for about £10. I was lucky as I did engine myself. Total cost for recon engine. New clutch and new turbo was about £1800. Also we bought the car cheap as the engine had gone. So all in about £4500 for a 2015 fiesta. That now has a fresh life
@@vintagesteelgarage thanks for your answer do you think i need to change the turbo also with the motor ? I guess when the oil pump failed the turbo was not lubricated ..
@maxmax-sr9lh it's what happened with ours. Take the air inlet pipe off to the turbo and check for side play. There should be no side play.
More complicated than Morris A series engine or Ford 105E !
I yes far too complicated for its on good. What was wrong with a wire to the coil and alternator. 😆
The wet belts are rubbish wouldn't touch one, how are the timing chain mhevs doing in comparison.
The wet timing belt is a crazy idea. Should be banned by law! I would prefer a dry belt over a timing chain. It will last a very long time. If you dare ? I dare - and untill now the timing belt is 15 Years old, but with a low milage. Could last 10 more years - I hope. In my previous car i changed the dry timingbelt after 10 years. It looked like a completely now one - out of the box. My next car will be without Turbocharger. With indirect Port Injection. With a Dry Timing belt. If such long lasting cars are still made. Not sure?
Yes couldn't agree more.
@flemmingqvist8326 I dont think theres any non direct injection engine cars being made anymore if you want to buy a new car but there are some engines which uses dual injection now like toyota does to keep the intake valves clean with port injectors and the direct injectors there for more efficiency/better emissions and more power than port injection alone
The morons that designed that engine seem to think stupidity is a virtue.
I wouldn't touch one with a 10,000ft bargepole.
My Mazda 2 1.5 skyactive g is a 4 cylinder 115 bhp non turbo and a timing chain
Should be totally reliable with 5,000 miles oil and filter changes.
I suggest Ford takes lessons from Mazda and COPY IT.
I feel gutted for you buddy 😢
Tbf I never know what noise is and isnt normal on these engines. Since new my engine makes a clacky/tappy sound when lightly revving, but its been like that for ages now
Tbh. They aren't the quietest engine and the fuel pump on the top at the back Lhs is a bit tappy. If it doesn't get worse over time then don't worry about it.
@@vintagesteelgarage Yes and I forgot to add that noise is only when cold/first starting
That's probably normal then.
Great to watch Andy, these engines have a bad reputation, but your methodical approach means you know you'll get away with a short motor. I'm on catch back now on your previous videos. Well done Andy. Very enjoyable.
My daughters are 17 now( twins) one has a 107, the other a c1.
It least my daughter are a few years apart on car purchase
You just pull stuff out your ass.
So would you say that good preventative maintenance would be to clean out the oil pick up on the oil pump?
Yes that would be a good idea. However if you do find bits in the pickup it does mean the belt is breaking up and only a matter of time before the belt needs to be replaced.
Apparently it's important to use correct oil to prolong the belt.
As the engine problem is oul pressed loss and the crank is sat in our its unlikely you would have crank damage
The crank doesn't sit in oil. The oil level Is below the crank and needs to be pump though oil gallery in the crank. The crank would not be able to rotate at 6000 rpm if it sat in oil.
@@vintagesteelgarage with 5 litres of oil you would think it would survive
@@Someone-p2x I see what you are saying but the oil is in the sump and the pump is blocked with the drive belt shredding rubber apart and hence is unable to pump oil around the engine and crank. Thats why the crank is blue with heat and then the bearing fails. The cranks goes before anything else as it has the most stress on it and without the cushion of oil it soon gets hot and fails. Quite a terrible design flat of having a rubber and fibre belt going though all the oil heat cycles and maybe precuoust owners not changing oil often enough.
@@vintagesteelgarage you've got me concerned now , I haven't pulled the sumo yet though. Good video though
Why bother....just get an engine..
I did. Full recon.
Just tell people not to buy this crap
LOVE the content, gripping stuff
Thanks
Fancy doing the wet belt on my focus😂 Garage wants £1500
TBH that's not a bad price if they do the job properly. Are you changing because it's due on service or because its started to get noisy? if noisy damage may already be done!
If replaced properly garage should replace both internal belts, tensioner and clean oil pump pickup pipe new filter and oil. You need a torque multiplier to retorque the crank bolt which I don't have. Recon engine was £1500 inc VAT, plus oils, ,filters, spark plugs, 3 piece clutch, new turbo and other bits and pieces cost me about £2k not including labour. I would say it took about 20 hours. Luckily my time is free. or else bill could have been about £4k.
Probably not financially viable on older cars
Is the belt made of gold ?
Cheapest I have seen is £990 but it's not economically viable on older cars
Why oh why if your a mechanic did you buy an Ecoboost
Firstly I'm not mechanic. And secondly we bought it cheap and installed a recon engine which will easily out last our needs. Also it was also a fun project. What can I say I like a challenge. Next you'll be saying I shouldnt have bought a 911 because they all have Ims bearing failures. .
I have heard that the turbo is suspect on these engines too for the same oil, starvation reasons…
Yes it will be. All turbos need a very good oil supply as its a plain bearing ie no rollers or bearings so it really needs a health constant oil supply. This was was toast as well due to oil starvation.
@@vintagesteelgarageoil starvation from the oil pick up being block with particles of belt 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for posting this as I was looking at one for my sons first car. Not buying one of these now.
Haha. Dont blame you.
You need at £600 worth of tools to do a wet belt £900 worth if you buy the sealy Ford torque multiplier to undo and do up front pulley bolt and timing tools ⚒️
Yes correct and when you factor that in that's why I went for a recon engine.