Looking back on this video, I must say that while I stand by most of the points I made, I also need to make some corrections/add-ons, since some points are somewhat unfair: - Pokémon do have flinching animations in Sw/Sh, just very short and unimpactful. - Flinching/dying animations are a bit too long in Colosseum, and while they can be turned off if you want to save time, a half way point between them and Sw/Sh would be the ideal duration. - Rain and sandstorms don't stay on during battle in Colosseum, they just play for a couple seconds and go away, probably due to hardware limitations. Sandstorms in Colosseum look bad too, being just an overlay like in Sw/Sh. - There oviously were less Pokémon in Colosseum than in Sw/Sh. I don't think this is an excuse though, since making so many different Pokémon throuhgout the years was their decision and they should have planned for this situation better. - I chose Colosseum over Battle Revolution since Colosseum also has a storyline outside of battles, making it more similar to Sw/Sh and, in my opinion, a fairer comparison. I chose Colosseum over XD: Gale of Darkness because I simply like it better. - Sudowoodo pretends to be a tree, but it is not a tree. It absolutely does and should move, even during idle animation. Colosseum nailed it whith it switching its arms around, making it completely frozen in time and justifying it through the Pokédex is just undefendable. - I should have also commented that the music and sound design of Colosseum is in my opinion far superior to that of Sw/Sh. - Also forgot to comment that in Colosseum Pokémon maintain their small/big size in battle, while in Sw/Sh, they are all kinda up/downscaled to be about the same size. This is obviously a problem. - Yes, many animations in Colosseum are inherited from Stadium 2, so what? Sw/Sh could have used these animations too if they wanted, but didn't. I'm comparing the quality of the animations between these two games, not judging who made them. - Also, sorry for having some typos. I should have VO'd this video but didn't have a good mic at the time to do it. The one video I made before with the laptop mic sounded pretty bad, so I decided to go this route with this one until I saved up for a microphone. In conclusion, it's just baffling to me that this comparison can even be made and that Colosseum can come out on top in even one of the points in question. This is not to say that Gamefreak are lazy as many people assume I am implying, just that through the years they have made poor decisions that have ended up putting them in a bad position were this is the best they can put out. And that is sad. I want Pokémon to be the best it can, because I have loved this franchise since I can remember. And this just ain't it.
I'm thinking that XD and Battle Revolution shortened the fainting animations because Colosseum's animations took a bit too long. Honestly, I kinda liked the longer animations? It made things more dramatic. Plus, there were some little details added when the fainted Pokémon was recalled, such as one of Nincada's legs twitching, or certain aquatic Pokémon going belly up upon fainting. That sort of thing!
I think one of Game Freak's poorest decisions is appealing to the fans. Which sounds backwards, but it's true. Fans wanted every Pokemon in every game, so GF gave them that. However with 900+Pokemon, over 1000 individual models+shinies, 4 or 5 animations PER model (people who want individual animations for every single attack so it looks more realistic are not educated enough to understand how game design works), not to mention tweaking movesets for every single game, and making sure all of this works in the new game engine every generation, is just tedious as all hell and they REALLY should've limited the Pokedex years ago because of it. The amount of time they spent trying to make every single Pokemon work could've been spent on graphics touch ups (not in battle, attack animations are stellar in SW/SH) or additions to storyline. And the obvious point, Game Freak wasn't given enough time. They are only allowed 3-4 years per game, and if the anime/TCG/merchandise has to be out by September and the games need more work, well, sucks for the games, they gotta release anyway.
@@kylecresswell0478 so they did limit the pokedex... and nothing was gained as a result. You can say the attack animations are good, but that's really only a couple of them for really specific moves like Cinderace's fireball thing-- it does not represent the majority of attack animations in swsh. Really all they need for each mon is 6 animations: idle, getting hit, fainting, status move, physical move, special move. The dexit cut should have made this easily possible. From what I understand, Creatures Inc actually make the models and animations, and GF actually do have access to a whole bunch of animations, they just don't use them when they really should be.
I think an issue with this comparison between Colliseum and mainline is that it's not actually like-for-like. Yes it's 3D, but Collisseum was 3D from the ground up while mainline is the 2d game with 3d graphics. Seen this way I feel the 3d sprites in sw/sh move the way they do their 2d counter parts would have- i.e. Tackle has that crappy shake followed by an "attack" animation. While it may be a time and cost saving venture, my sense is that aesthetic continuity would have been a priority for the mainline game through its 2d roots.
And its not impossible. There's a wailord in the IoA that looks properly modeled. But if you compare it to a wailord you already have, you can see that gf purposely made wailord small
The scale is fcked because every stage except the dynamax stages are tiny. Notice how the pokemon are standing like two feet from one another. If you had a wailord in its accurate size it would be clipping every model and texture around it. I don't even hate SwSh but this laziness and utter lack of pride in their own work is becoming too much.
Genius Sonority >>> Game Freak A staff count of only 22 people developed Colosseum, its sequel XD Gale of Darkness, and Battle Revolution. 3 legendary games with Pokémon models that have emotion, battle animations that make it more realistic, beautiful battle backgrounds, an amazing OST, Pokémon are actually scaled properly, and Blastoise actually shoots water out of its cannons and not its head. Game Freak cannot even touch Genius Sonority.
Pokemon Battle Revolution wasn't legendary. I loved it, but the game felt pretty half-baked compared to Colosseum and Stadium. Plenty of the complaints given in here about Sword and Shield were the same complaints I had with Battle Revolution's animations (just compare the animation when a Pokemon hurts itself when it's confused between Stadium and Battle Revolution.)
You need to replay PBR. The new animations they didn't pull from the Stadium games were awful and the game was a rushed mess. Colosseum and XD weren't that much better and recycled much from each other and Stadium. The Stadium games were legendary though.
@@jarrydfederico7272 I think we played different games then. Calling Colloseum and XD anything but legendary is just wrong,they are great games that still hold up pretty well today and that I always happily revisit.
@@Gonz1 tbh, Pokémon don't need to really make contact, they only need to make you think so and having a static cam showing all the pkmn doesn't help at all. Yep, GS' games camera has dynamism and Ludicolo's dive is a good example of it.
They keep using the old styld, "The foes pokemon on the front, while you have a back view of your own pokemon". If Wailord or Eternatus had their original size, you wouldn't be able to see anything, and it's easier just making them all the same height instead of a making a new model
It's interesting seeing that Mario, Zelda and, to a lesser extent, Fire Emblem all took big leaps forward in terms of how they tackle the design of their respective series; trying new and wild things that either do away with or turn established series staples on their heads. Then you have Pokemon, which seems to be very content to rest on previous success and deliver a very standard product in its series that doesn't seem to possess even an ounce of soul. This is the biggest media franchise in the world for gods sakes, there is zero excuse for this.
Well, money talks. People need to stop buying their sub-par games en masse in order to snap Gamefreak out of their complacency. I’ve been a big fan of Pokémon since I got Yellow version at five years old - yet I have not actually bought a game since Soul Silver. I’m sure Gen 5 onwards have some redeeming qualities, but ultimately I refuse to buy into the same formulaic half assed crap.
@@RC-hv1yx A lot of people consider gen 5 to be the peak. Especially bw2. But I agree; as long as they're making money, there's no need to change anything.
This video deserves more views. I decided to play Pokemon Colosseum on a whim today and within 10 minutes, I realized most of this. I really do miss the models and the battle animations from Battle Revolution
@@Gonz1 I have one big question: How do I find the Orre Colloseum in Pokemon Colloseum? I thought it is only in Pokemon Gale of Darkness available. (I played both of them)
I could see some of the same models used in x and y too but brushed up a little. Like Electrode is like the exact same. Now the kanto and johto models in collosseum and XD are from the stadium games and the gen 3 models built from the ground up and look 10 times better than others
@@natedunn51 The only glitch I really knew as a kid is where you can use master balls (or any ball for that matter) infinitely. You essentially just had to change its position in your bag during a battle.
What's frustrating about this is that GameFreak said they stopped making Stadium/Colosseum games because now the mainline games have gone to 3D models so there's no need for them. What was the point of going 3D when you're just gonna half-ass it?
Yea i can see that the switch makes it redundant but i still love colosseum and the ability to use my gba team in 3d is better then any 3d pokemon games because as you said half assed
Two things: 1). GameFreak didn't make Colosseum/Stadium/XD Gale of Darkeness, Battle Revolution. Other companies did. 2). The reason was supposed to be because these games being in 3D was the appealing factor (not the only one imho, but w.e), due to the main games not being 3D.
I'm well aware that HAL and GS made those games, but it was Game Freak that made the statement that those games were on permanent hiatus which was the point.
I want to remind everyone that in PBR, you could use any pokémon you had in a diamond or pearl game. So if you had a shaymin, a mew, a whatever mon you like that was obtainable in gen 3 or 4, you could have it in the game and every single one of them had their animations.
It's honestly embarrassing what is happening to my favorite gaming franchise. There is so much potential here not being realized... Not just in visuals, but also in mechanics, multiplayer, competitive, etc.
@gamer time game freak removed post game from pokemon games gen 6 and onwards at least gen 8 offers more than pokemon gen 7 right now.gen 7 ultra moon all it added was a surfing mini game that's it I was mad.
@@1BadAssArchAngelvs14 the wasted potential of diving in Sun/Moon made me hate gen 7. I mean, I liked Sun/Moon but c'mon, you had a good oportunity to bring back diving, give a proper story for it and make a great post-game involving underwater quests/story, you're literally surrounded by water (like in Ruby/Sapphire did for Groudon/Kyogre or the three Regis). I was very disappointed.
Over time the Pokemon company will try get away with putting less and less effort into their games and will eventually just be shitting on a plate and putting it in front of us.
Sword/shield even having a graphical edge is still debatable, considering that the way all the pokemon are textured is extremely flat and plastic-looking.
Totally agree. You used to be able to look at Pokemon and be able to guess what they might feel like to touch. Now I look at new Pokemon and I can't tell what texture they have because everything looks like a child's plastic toy. I guess they move like ones too
@@mori6434 What if, and here me out here, Pokemon aren't alive anymore and everyone just makes their toy versions fight because they can't accept reality yet.
Id also like the add Pokemon Coloseum has a much more epic scale with Orchestral sounds and industrial environments. Each pokemon up to gen 3 had unique animations and moves actually looked like what they did it was at the time the best way to view pokemon battles made for 3d consoles. S&S just feels like a suped up 3ds game.
They seriously didn't try with SWSH, and you know why? It's because they know they didn't have to. They know that even if their game is a steaming hot turd, there is still going to be entire armies of people that will hand them money for it.
Honestly, this is why simply boycotting Pokémon alone won't work. It's a bit grim, but unless you're actively invested in other Nintendo franchises, they're the next available target to try to have our voices heard. This whole Pokémon controversy doesn't reflect well on Nintendo in general, but throwing in the threat of a loss of sales for other series is a way to gain attention. Nintendo may not produce Pokémon directly, but they do have a heavy influence on them. _Hopefully_ it doesn't actually need to come to this, and Nintendo or Game Freak have already started something in motion, and we can hope to expect more out of Gen IX. Hopefully, they'll be able to use Snap 2 as a jumping point to bring their graphics up to snuff, they'll give more attention to the story and the long term playability, and some actual tender love and care, but I'm just running out of trust at this point. I've been a staunch Pokémon fan since it came to the US 22 years ago; I grew up hoping to be able to share Pokémon with my own kids and nieces and nephews, but Sword and Shield in particular were just disheartening.
@@johns6014 it is disheartening. If Metroid Prime 4 were a mess like SWSH, the Metroid series would be DONE FOR since it can't afford to produce mediocre games, which is why the series went on hiatus after Other M
SH/SW sold more than 18 million copies lol.Basically it's third gen of the most sales just behind Gen I and 2. Yes it sold more than DP who were third until Sword and SHield. ...
I remember playing battle revolution after my uncle got I for me and my bro and being so amazed by the Pokemon. I can see why people are so upset with sword and shield.
@@LegionIvory it would have been James Turner, who was character designer at Genius Sonority and then *transferred* to Gamefreak years later, so saying Gamefreak made Wes is a tad disingenuous
Not to mention colosseum and XD had better music for each fight that moved you to to fight harder. Also better story plots that don't need you to use a high tier legendary to save the region.
LTH was the biggest wasted resources they ever done. Like literally nobody were aware when it was released and it died down after only a week (saw some reviews on youtube and bam total silence). Like, don't get me wrong, Gamefreak have the right to do some spin off games to not get burned out by Pokemon, but for the love of god, flesh out the mainline games with your main team!
I genuinely thought LTH was still in development until reading these comments... Heard no hype or posts about a release date or it post-release. How sad
Something you forgot about that I noticed during your demonstration of the colosseum backgrounds was the trainer animations: upon introduction and defeat, opposing trainers had a lot personality put into their animations in Colosseum, while SwSh just had a close up of the trainer's face most of the time, then straight to the battle; you only got unique animations among the "important" trainers. SwSh trainer animations were just a slog, while Colosseum animations may have been locked to character models, they certainly let you know what kind of trainer you were up against.
@@matthewhunter4454 I started playing Colosseum again a few days ago. And holy crud, I had forgotten that Gen 3 predates the "Physical/Special split" that Gen 4 and onwards benefited from. Then there's the fact that Colosseum mostly has Pokemon with subpar stats to snag, compared to XD: Gale of Darkness (XD also addressed a bunch of other shortcomings that were present in Colosseum). That said, it's still a nice breath of _fresh air,_ compared to Sword and Shield. Double battles and an AI that can actually _fight back?_ Makes for much more satisfying victories, imho. I really, _really_ hate Justy in Colosseum, though; his team is literally built around _stalling,_ and that's not fun to fight. I had no regrets about stomping him flat; cheese strategies are a big no-no in a turn-based game like Pokemon (since all it does is drag things out and waste _everyone's_ time).
@@Taltharius hahaha I actually turned my tablet off because Justy had used his Asurmaril evasive move so many times that I couldn't land a single hit after 14 rotations of 0 hits I realized that battle was never gonna end in my favor
@@matthewhunter4454 My only advice, is to have a team with at least a few users of moves that are unaffected by accuracy or evasion checks (Aerial Ace, Faint Attack, Magical Leaf, Shadow Punch, Shock Wave, Swift).
Worse yet, Sun and moon had much better draw distance with notable examples being the victory road, while pop in is expected in SWSH and stating the obvious but Swsh also has no victory road
I'm glad you made mention to the flinching animation as well. One of my favorite things that made me immersed in the battle was the flinching animation, it made me really feel like my pokemon were *battling.* The way sword and shield animated the flinching made me feel meh. Like it didn't even matter.
Honestly I'm convinced that the greatest difference is that third-party developers *understand the weight of the Pokemon series.* Every third-party (Genius Sonority, HAL/Pax Softnica, Tecmo Koei, etc.) that has every worked on a Pokemon game seems aware that Pokemon is the one of if not the most recognizable video game brands out there and put in both time and quality to live up to its high reputation. While I get that previous GF directors fear they've lost inspiration or simply burnt themselves out, rather than making excuses or empty promises, they should at least look at previous spinoffs to remind themselves the Pokemon doesn't need to be built on linear thinking and that change is okay. Even though GF has proven its ridiculous stubbornness to support its game quality (with a mere 148 employees), The Pokemon Company became the biggest problem itself once it began to favor profits over everything else and nothing will seem to change unless otherwise. Sorry for the rant, great video and here's hoping that GF and TPC wake up from their delusions as the ones carrying the "Pokemon name."
Great video!! It's incredible how Pokémon Colosseum from 2003 has surpassed by far Pokémon Shield and Sword the latest games launched by gamefreak, 16 years apart and still Pokémon Colosesum continues to be the king.
Heck we can even look back at a game like black 2 and white 2, while not having animations to the level of XD, the Pokémon felt alive and not boring dull and sitting there doing nothing
A few things you missed: *In Sw/Sh (and since Generation 6), Hitmontop has been shown STANDING UP, whereas Colosseum (and Stadium 2, and Battle Revolution) properly showed him balancing upside down on his head spike like the Sugimori art and older game sprites. *In Colosseum (and both Stadiums, and PBR), Blastoise has a special "double water" animation for Hydro Pump that shows the water coming out of both of its shell cannons like it's supposed to. Since Generation 6, there's only been one stream of water coming from its mouth. *In Colosseum, some birds were shown grounded, such as Skarmory. In Sw/Sh, almost all birds are shown flying, a leftover of Generation 6's "Sky Battle" mechanic, and in Skarmory's case, the flying animation is awkward.
Part 2 of the analysis of the current state of the Pokémon franchise. You can watch Part 1 (with VO and much more in depth) here: th-cam.com/video/4Bbjq9_mKMU/w-d-xo.html Thank you for supporting the channel!
This is so true. The pokemon company doesn't care about their video games. All they want is to force us to use the new pokemon so they can sell more merchandise. If you look into it, they make the majority of their income through pushes and stuff like that, more than their games. They don't care about their games.
The particle effects and animations in XD and Colosseum look pretty damn good even today. I love the jagged and painful looking Ice Beam, the glassy Reflect/LS/Protect with the shiny reflective glass building around the user or "bullets" bouncing off them. Earthquake too! Slaking using it in time with his yawn and stretch really drives home (as well as the sound and animation of EQ itself) that it has a REAL KICK TO IT vs Modern games where they rattle the camera awkwardly then get hit some while later. The weather affects I wish would've lasted in the older games but I understand why they didn't.
I agree, but since Battle Revolution didn't have any story mode, I felt the comparison wasn't as fair, since BR only had to focus on the battles and nothing else.
@@AurumBlaze well, while battles certainly are one of the main focuses, I personally think Pokémon is much more than that. It's about the adventure, about capturing, training and evolving Pokémon to build a team and come out the other end as champion... I think you'll like my other video on Pokémon even more than this one if you care to watch it, in it I elaborate more on the history and current state of the franchise as a whole.
@@Gonz1 I wish it was like that with Sword/Shield lol (as in it was linear, catching raid pokemon was annoying, you did no training since the game was easy, but I'll admit that the Champion fight was fun) Let's hope the Sinnoh remakes don't suffer the same mistakes.
@@AurumBlaze Couldn't agree more. I really think you'll love this video, I talk about that in length and it's narrated; th-cam.com/video/4Bbjq9_mKMU/w-d-xo.html , please leave a comment with your thoughts if you watch it!
Rain in Colosseum went so hard. The harsh winds among the rain make it sound like heavy downpour. XD toned down the wind sound, but I definitely want Primordial Sea to sound like Colosseum rain.
Coming back from playing colosseum, while the animations are really nice, they take forever. I think espically with weather, itd be better to stream line it all together.
I recently started colosseum after watching pikasprey play and holy crap, I fell in love with the first zigzagoon you fight. They are super cute and expressive it is worlds ahead of sword and shield. If you haven't played the game before try it, it really captures the feelings of awe and excitement the first few pokemon games gave me.
I'm so proud to have played both colosseum and Gale of Darkness when they were current, truely pokemon perfection in my book. Even if you haven't, its worth playing these games even 16 years later, you'll be surprised how good they still look!
Another thing I noticed with the background things, is that there are a few battles in random cities in SWSH that the battle background will show either the wild area or a nearby route instead of the city
I grew up with Pokemon, am in my 30's now, and most of my employees are in their 20's or younger. A lot of them like Pokemon and we play together online or play Go in the city. I had to bring my GameCube (and 64 for Stadium) to show them why I was so angry at Sw/Sh because they couldn't relate or understand having never played past games. About an hour or so in to Gale of Darkness, most felt robbed. And they were shocked that the GameCube games take 3 times as long to beat than Sw/Sh and even some of the other past Pokemon games. I understand that a finished game with no connection to online access will have to give more.. but there is no excuses for what GF did. They are in it for money at this point. That's it.
Being angry at a game because it didn't live up to your expectations is just unhealthy. It's just a game. I enjoyed it, does that make me stupid or a bad person because I don't agree with you?
Yup the worst part is that there is still too many people in love with the new game that it does not make sense to me ! I recently bought XD for 50 dollars and didnt even flinch about it i already past it and I still wouldnt pay the same amount for that sword and shield trash lol
Not everyone will agree with each other for some it could be there first pokemon game. There are factors to why not everyone hates the game. Not arguing about opinions just thinking about why people might like it
Maybe their not hardcore pokemon fans an just thought of it as a simple fun game I guess, otherwise yes sword an shield is very underwhelming, worth like 40 bucks in my opinion
Yeaah honestly I mean okay if they fucked up with the animations but atleast give us a good story and good content we wouldnt be making such a big deal but c'mon cut pokedex wack story then sell us some content after na I'm good like I told my cousin MAYBE I'll try it once i find it used for like 20 bucks and even then I dont think i want to buy a 300 dollar console just to play that! Shit i stopped at omega ruby lol
I was 10 when Pokemon Colosseum came out. To me, it will always be the greatest Pokemon game ever. The animations, storyline, music, mature theme, what's not to like?
Both Colosseum and XD in my opinion were way ahead of their time. It's like the both can pass off as a much newer game like early to mid 2010s. Like ofcourse it's got age but man they didn't age badly. I recently bought a pristine copy of Coliseum for like $40 with the original manual and case.
Nowadays game companies just think it's okay to rush games before the intended deadline, but they need to learn that it's okay to delay a game. Doing so will give more time for the game to receive better quality. I would want the Diamond and Pearl remakes to take as much time as needed, not for it to be messed up because somebody thought it was okay just to put up a very short time frame before release.
There are times with modern Pokemon models that it looks as if someone is moving them around in MS Paint. They have so little reaction to something or all they're doing is bouncing around. A move like Tail Whip is just flip horizontal twice. People want to compare these games to Colosseum. I honestly think Black and White sprites had more expression.
It makes it sadder that Pokémon colosseum was created by a different developer which tells you how much another company cares for this franchise then the people who owned it
I think the best thing Pokemon can do is outsource the production for the next game: Start with Spike/Chunsoft (the developers for the Mystery Dungeon games) and have them create the story. Next, have Creatures (the developers for Pokepark) create the world/region. Afterwards, Genius Sonority (the developers for games like XD and Battle Revolution) can create the models and animations for the Pokemon. Bandai Namco, the developers for the Switch version of Pokemon Snap, can worry about the skins for all of the Pokemon, characters, scenery, etc. Finally, Game Freak only has to worry about the final touches. They can make the walking/following animations more realistic like in Let’s Go. They can implement whatever new battle mechanics they want. They can pretty do whatever they want to ensure that it’s a well rounded and fulfilling gameplay experience and nothing will have to take away from the game. This way, not only do we get a unison game combining efforts from all different aspects of the franchise, but we also can finally have a game worthy of being a Switch title after seeing the difference between Sw/Sh and Pokemon’s sibling franchises under the Nintendo brand.
It's incredible how XY models look so dated now, using them in HD doesn't make them look good at all, they look sluggish and washed out (yes I still hate flying pokemon are perpetually flying).
To be completely fair in regards to battle animations, all of the models/animations for Pokemon from generations 1 and 2 were ported into Colosseum/XD from Pokemon Stadium/Stadium 2. If anything, however, that just goes to show that there is no care put into Pokemon's final product anymore in mainline games, with only the spinoffs seemingly having any heart to them.
To me, sword/shield was just an overglorified 3ds game that had it's resolution stretched at an HD resolution. Coliseum is more colorful in its design philosophy in every way and it saddens me that gamefreak didn't bother to look back towards this gem when tasked with making a full-fledged console title.
"I envy you, you know. To climb the 7,000 Steps again... I made the pilgrimage once, did you know that?" -Jarl Balgruuf, telling the Dragonborn about High Hrothgar- - Old Trainer, telling Youngster Newbie about Mt. Battle.
Well as far as I've been able to research, it must have been about a year and a half, since Genius Sonority was founded in early 2002 and Colosseum was released in late 2003. They were an experienced team however, since many of them had previously worked on games like Dragon Quest.
The first official announcement from Nintendo was in E3 (june) of 2017, when they confirmed that after Ultra Sun/Moon, the next mainline Pokémon game was already in development, with Let's go Pikachu/Eevee being developed by a different, smaller team inside Gamefreak. So, at least two years of development, although probably longer, since Ultra Sun/Moon was more of a port from the 3ds than anything else.
@@nyoron39 Right? As if it would be difficult to add actual animations to a TURN-BASED BATTLE SYSTEM when we have studios like Naughty Dog releasing three games since 2016. GameFreak is a lazy-ass company. That's really all there is to it.
Pokémon Colosseum is one of my most favourite Pokémon games of all time because it just looked cool. Funny enough, it was the first Pokémon game I played. I love the music, the silent protagonist, Miror B, the soundtrack and the Shadow Pokémon. I feel more invested and the places are greatly details in Pokémon Colosseum than Pokémon Sword, I feel like its Pokémon at its best. Though I don't think Pokémon Sword is the worst as it's okay enough as a Pokémon game, though I do think it could be better.
I think Pokemon has to accept the fact that their combat system revolves around what is essentially dogfighting, they’ve been trying to deny and censor this but it’s pretty obvious and they should make the animations to the level that colosseum brought
I can only imagine what the camp would be like with better animations, especially considering that’s the place with probably the best animations in the whole game and it still isn’t even a lot, with such heart in the Pokémon as coliseum or other games camp would probably be my favorite part of the franchise
I would like for Genius Sonority to just go in and do this kind of job and do their own Pokemon game. Stuff that I loved from XD and Colosseum are the themes (EXCELLENT MUSIC WHICH HYPES THE BATTLES), battle mechanics, trade accessibility with GBA, entertaining and cool ass stories, just overall great ambients. My favorite Pokemon game ever is Colosseum, I wish they would've let you have an option to play the story as single battles but it's good that by the time they went with something different, which sometimes going different pays off well, in this case it did. And they are not short games btw, so you're going to have a nice experience if you give time to those two games. Nice video man, I like that you showed some Colosseum clips just to show that nothing compares with the old stuff.
Had a way more enjoyable experience replaying Colosseum and XD this year than I ever had playing sword+DLC. Pokémon games with an actual story and challenging opponents? Kids would never know.
There are other lackluster things in Sword and Shield like the story and the little importance your character has in it, while Wes it's probably the cooler protagonist in the franchise with an awesome backstory.
i wish that sword and shield have better animations for pokemon in battle it will make the game better and i still play pokemon colosseum/xd/battle revolution
honestly a lot of the reason why the pokemon colosseum stuff looks better and more detailed is they were still following and reusing the animations from the stadium games for gen 1/2 and with 3 they had to continue it otherwise it wouldnt look right
What killed buying Sw/Sh for me was move erasure, by which I mean how many moves were just cut entirely. The other issues definitely added to it, but limiting certain movesets to very specific playstyles is the straw that broke the camel's back.
Man I love Colosseum. the atmosphere, the music, the story even short was great, the feeling of power when you had big Pokemon like Groudon, Wailord, Steelix, etc. I wish genius sonority was the tema in charge of Pokemon instead but oh well at least Pokemon snap looks good (and that's another example of third developer doing a great job)
I have collected every single hand held pokemon game since Gen 1. I have come to fall in love with the mechanics of Gen 4 and all the pokemon up to Gen 5 (half of the roster is not bad). While I do not mind Gen 6 and 7 they are not really...good games with clunky mechanics and water downed ideas and pokemon. I love the Pokemon Stadium/Colosseum games for their expressive pokemon. There is no excuse for gen 8 being the way it be. I own a Switch and I refuse to pick up anymore Pokemon games until the developers actually gives a crap about their IP again
100th subscriber here! Just wanna say how underappreciated this video really is, it opened my mind as to how the game designers at game freak really operate and shows their lack of work ethic when it comes to bringing Pokémon to 3D. Really unfortunate how stuff like this goes through Gamefreak’s head and shows they’re only looking to continue to milk new games and remakes without trying to make a detailed and mesmerizing experience as was Colosseum and XD Gale of Darkness.
It irks me a little bit whenever people say it's "one of the biggest franchises ever." That's not a fair representation of the games. It is the BIGGEST franchise ever. Like, legitimately, this franchise has made more money than Mario, Marvel, Star Wars, etc. It is HUGE.
They would be, but 64 didn't have a story mode, just battles, so I didn't think it was quite as fair comparing to Stadium. Watch my other video on Pokemon, I don't think they will fix anything too much but I might be wrong
It’s interesting how another Pokémon spin off, explorers of Sky, has a better story then the mainline games. And it’s not made by Gamefreak also. Not saying that the mainline stories are bad, as some are actually really good, like Ultra sun and Moon, and Black and white and it’s sequels.
man 62k people saw this video and the effort put into it but have the audacity to not click that sub button to support this man dispite liking the video and might wanting to see more
Looking back on this video, I must say that while I stand by most of the points I made, I also need to make some corrections/add-ons, since some points are somewhat unfair:
- Pokémon do have flinching animations in Sw/Sh, just very short and unimpactful.
- Flinching/dying animations are a bit too long in Colosseum, and while they can be turned off if you want to save time, a half way point between them and Sw/Sh would be the ideal duration.
- Rain and sandstorms don't stay on during battle in Colosseum, they just play for a couple seconds and go away, probably due to hardware limitations. Sandstorms in Colosseum look bad too, being just an overlay like in Sw/Sh.
- There oviously were less Pokémon in Colosseum than in Sw/Sh. I don't think this is an excuse though, since making so many different Pokémon throuhgout the years was their decision and they should have planned for this situation better.
- I chose Colosseum over Battle Revolution since Colosseum also has a storyline outside of battles, making it more similar to Sw/Sh and, in my opinion, a fairer comparison. I chose Colosseum over XD: Gale of Darkness because I simply like it better.
- Sudowoodo pretends to be a tree, but it is not a tree. It absolutely does and should move, even during idle animation. Colosseum nailed it whith it switching its arms around, making it completely frozen in time and justifying it through the Pokédex is just undefendable.
- I should have also commented that the music and sound design of Colosseum is in my opinion far superior to that of Sw/Sh.
- Also forgot to comment that in Colosseum Pokémon maintain their small/big size in battle, while in Sw/Sh, they are all kinda up/downscaled to be about the same size. This is obviously a problem.
- Yes, many animations in Colosseum are inherited from Stadium 2, so what? Sw/Sh could have used these animations too if they wanted, but didn't. I'm comparing the quality of the animations between these two games, not judging who made them.
- Also, sorry for having some typos. I should have VO'd this video but didn't have a good mic at the time to do it. The one video I made before with the laptop mic sounded pretty bad, so I decided to go this route with this one until I saved up for a microphone.
In conclusion, it's just baffling to me that this comparison can even be made and that Colosseum can come out on top in even one of the points in question. This is not to say that Gamefreak are lazy as many people assume I am implying, just that through the years they have made poor decisions that have ended up putting them in a bad position were this is the best they can put out. And that is sad. I want Pokémon to be the best it can, because I have loved this franchise since I can remember. And this just ain't it.
I'm thinking that XD and Battle Revolution shortened the fainting animations because Colosseum's animations took a bit too long. Honestly, I kinda liked the longer animations? It made things more dramatic. Plus, there were some little details added when the fainted Pokémon was recalled, such as one of Nincada's legs twitching, or certain aquatic Pokémon going belly up upon fainting. That sort of thing!
I appreciate this video so much. I’ve been saying this for months
I think one of Game Freak's poorest decisions is appealing to the fans. Which sounds backwards, but it's true. Fans wanted every Pokemon in every game, so GF gave them that. However with 900+Pokemon, over 1000 individual models+shinies, 4 or 5 animations PER model (people who want individual animations for every single attack so it looks more realistic are not educated enough to understand how game design works), not to mention tweaking movesets for every single game, and making sure all of this works in the new game engine every generation, is just tedious as all hell and they REALLY should've limited the Pokedex years ago because of it. The amount of time they spent trying to make every single Pokemon work could've been spent on graphics touch ups (not in battle, attack animations are stellar in SW/SH) or additions to storyline. And the obvious point, Game Freak wasn't given enough time. They are only allowed 3-4 years per game, and if the anime/TCG/merchandise has to be out by September and the games need more work, well, sucks for the games, they gotta release anyway.
@@kylecresswell0478 so they did limit the pokedex... and nothing was gained as a result. You can say the attack animations are good, but that's really only a couple of them for really specific moves like Cinderace's fireball thing-- it does not represent the majority of attack animations in swsh.
Really all they need for each mon is 6 animations: idle, getting hit, fainting, status move, physical move, special move. The dexit cut should have made this easily possible.
From what I understand, Creatures Inc actually make the models and animations, and GF actually do have access to a whole bunch of animations, they just don't use them when they really should be.
I think an issue with this comparison between Colliseum and mainline is that it's not actually like-for-like. Yes it's 3D, but Collisseum was 3D from the ground up while mainline is the 2d game with 3d graphics.
Seen this way I feel the 3d sprites in sw/sh move the way they do their 2d counter parts would have- i.e. Tackle has that crappy shake followed by an "attack" animation.
While it may be a time and cost saving venture, my sense is that aesthetic continuity would have been a priority for the mainline game through its 2d roots.
All the Pokemon are scaled to accurate size as well in Colosseum too, unlike Sword and Shield where everyone shrinks.
Right? I shouldn’t have to Dynamax a Wailord just to get it to be normal sized!
And its not impossible. There's a wailord in the IoA that looks properly modeled. But if you compare it to a wailord you already have, you can see that gf purposely made wailord small
The scale is fcked because every stage except the dynamax stages are tiny. Notice how the pokemon are standing like two feet from one another. If you had a wailord in its accurate size it would be clipping every model and texture around it.
I don't even hate SwSh but this laziness and utter lack of pride in their own work is becoming too much.
The scaling slightly worked in their favor in Sun and Moon. Not super crazy scaling, but they've done it before.
is wailord such a complex pokémon though? like does its model take up a lot of resources
Genius Sonority >>> Game Freak
A staff count of only 22 people developed Colosseum, its sequel XD Gale of Darkness, and Battle Revolution. 3 legendary games with Pokémon models that have emotion, battle animations that make it more realistic, beautiful battle backgrounds, an amazing OST, Pokémon are actually scaled properly, and Blastoise actually shoots water out of its cannons and not its head.
Game Freak cannot even touch Genius Sonority.
Pokemon Battle Revolution wasn't legendary. I loved it, but the game felt pretty half-baked compared to Colosseum and Stadium. Plenty of the complaints given in here about Sword and Shield were the same complaints I had with Battle Revolution's animations (just compare the animation when a Pokemon hurts itself when it's confused between Stadium and Battle Revolution.)
You need to replay PBR. The new animations they didn't pull from the Stadium games were awful and the game was a rushed mess. Colosseum and XD weren't that much better and recycled much from each other and Stadium. The Stadium games were legendary though.
@@jarrydfederico7272 I think we played different games then. Calling Colloseum and XD anything but legendary is just wrong,they are great games that still hold up pretty well today and that I always happily revisit.
I still play gale of darkness and battle revolution more than sword
really wish battle revolution had a story line :/
There is also a big factor. GS knows how to use the camera and GF doesn't.
The handheld camera when Ludicolo uses Dive is insane
@@Gonz1 tbh, Pokémon don't need to really make contact, they only need to make you think so and having a static cam showing all the pkmn doesn't help at all.
Yep, GS' games camera has dynamism and Ludicolo's dive is a good example of it.
@@hylus5d10 exactly. Not only is contact between Pokémon not necessary, it can be detrimental to the game if its poorly implemented like in Sw/Sh
You have to see the camera in Rayquaza's fainting animation.
It's perfect.
They keep using the old styld, "The foes pokemon on the front, while you have a back view of your own pokemon".
If Wailord or Eternatus had their original size, you wouldn't be able to see anything, and it's easier just making them all the same height instead of a making a new model
It's interesting seeing that Mario, Zelda and, to a lesser extent, Fire Emblem all took big leaps forward in terms of how they tackle the design of their respective series; trying new and wild things that either do away with or turn established series staples on their heads. Then you have Pokemon, which seems to be very content to rest on previous success and deliver a very standard product in its series that doesn't seem to possess even an ounce of soul. This is the biggest media franchise in the world for gods sakes, there is zero excuse for this.
Well, money talks. People need to stop buying their sub-par games en masse in order to snap Gamefreak out of their complacency. I’ve been a big fan of Pokémon since I got Yellow version at five years old - yet I have not actually bought a game since Soul Silver. I’m sure Gen 5 onwards have some redeeming qualities, but ultimately I refuse to buy into the same formulaic half assed crap.
@@RC-hv1yx really? Gen V was probably one of the better ones
@@RC-hv1yx A lot of people consider gen 5 to be the peak. Especially bw2. But I agree; as long as they're making money, there's no need to change anything.
hey if you can get away with selling the same shitfor $60+, why the hell would you stop
I love the pikachu comparison. Refuses to evolve
We r not just gonna talk about how Gen 6 and 7 had the Pokémon heads turn and face u for affection events but sword and shield just have them hop
wait, seriously? damn...
Andrew Dunn ikr we can’t even have our Pokémon’s heads turn anymore
@@lem0ncrunch Yeah, it's weird that the animations actually got worse from gen 7 to gen 8. at least in that regard.
And of course when they can endure 1 hp several times in a battle when they have max affection
Mike Oxmaul frfr
This video deserves more views. I decided to play Pokemon Colosseum on a whim today and within 10 minutes, I realized most of this. I really do miss the models and the battle animations from Battle Revolution
Watch my other video on Pokémon and tell me what you think! Glad you liked this one!
@@Gonz1 I have one big question: How do I find the Orre Colloseum in Pokemon Colloseum? I thought it is only in Pokemon Gale of Darkness available.
(I played both of them)
@@AnimeFan-dl4qd it's only available in battle mode, not in the main story, as a bonus after completing the other colosseums
@@Gonz1 oh, I missed a hidden bonus. Thx for the info
I could see some of the same models used in x and y too but brushed up a little. Like Electrode is like the exact same.
Now the kanto and johto models in collosseum and XD are from the stadium games and the gen 3 models built from the ground up and look 10 times better than others
Dont tell anyone but pokemon Colosseum is better.
Xd: gale of darkness is better
I agree. XD is better in my opinion but The exploitable glitches in Colo are worth it alone!
@@aubreyhakomi7256 glitches in colo? never knew about that.
@@natedunn51 The only glitch I really knew as a kid is where you can use master balls (or any ball for that matter) infinitely. You essentially just had to change its position in your bag during a battle.
XD too
What's frustrating about this is that GameFreak said they stopped making Stadium/Colosseum games because now the mainline games have gone to 3D models so there's no need for them. What was the point of going 3D when you're just gonna half-ass it?
Well I mean luckily the 3d games didnt end up like gen 4 and 5 xD
Yea i can see that the switch makes it redundant but i still love colosseum and the ability to use my gba team in 3d is better then any 3d pokemon games because as you said half assed
Two things:
1). GameFreak didn't make Colosseum/Stadium/XD Gale of Darkeness, Battle Revolution. Other companies did.
2). The reason was supposed to be because these games being in 3D was the appealing factor (not the only one imho, but w.e), due to the main games not being 3D.
I'm well aware that HAL and GS made those games, but it was Game Freak that made the statement that those games were on permanent hiatus which was the point.
I am just fed up with GFs lies
I want to remind everyone that in PBR, you could use any pokémon you had in a diamond or pearl game. So if you had a shaymin, a mew, a whatever mon you like that was obtainable in gen 3 or 4, you could have it in the game and every single one of them had their animations.
for free too :) unlike a certain other game...
Same for the stadium series and Colosseum/XD
@@tanygio2789back in the day where you paid for a game and got the entire game
It's honestly embarrassing what is happening to my favorite gaming franchise. There is so much potential here not being realized... Not just in visuals, but also in mechanics, multiplayer, competitive, etc.
@gamer time game freak removed post game from pokemon games gen 6 and onwards at least gen 8 offers more than pokemon gen 7 right now.gen 7 ultra moon all it added was a surfing mini game that's it I was mad.
@@1BadAssArchAngelvs14 And Rainbow Rocket
@@CaptainEffort which takes like an hour and they butchered Cyrus's theme
@@stevenmartinez2530 Yeah, fair. But it was still cool seeing them all in 3d.
@@1BadAssArchAngelvs14 the wasted potential of diving in Sun/Moon made me hate gen 7. I mean, I liked Sun/Moon but c'mon, you had a good oportunity to bring back diving, give a proper story for it and make a great post-game involving underwater quests/story, you're literally surrounded by water (like in Ruby/Sapphire did for Groudon/Kyogre or the three Regis). I was very disappointed.
halfway through the vid I'm just like "STOP STOP HE'S ALREADY DEAD"
sorry, couldn't tell by the lackluster animation
@@stevenmartinez2530 that's a smart move right there
Damn
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Over time the Pokemon company will try get away with putting less and less effort into their games and will eventually just be shitting on a plate and putting it in front of us.
The worst part is they’re getting away with it, sword and shield had great sales figures so Nintendo won’t stop any time soon :(
heheh those bad animations are looking pretty good now we got the dumb pokemon unite.
I say gen 5 was probably the last time they made a effort cause the games after just feel like a slog
the prophet has spoken
@@WildWeavile Pokemon Unite is 100% going to have better animations and models than Sword and Shield. And that is the saddest part.
One thing I wish that was pointed out was the originality of the Colosseum soundtrack! It really immersed you in the battles you had.
XD too, with the pokemon the movie 2 when you fight the big boss at the end !
Soundtrack of that game is amazing.
So happy I still have my copy.
Yes!
Don't forget the tough guy fomger snapping of Pyrite Town!
I wish Genius Sonority was in charge of the mainline Pokemon games
GS was absorbed into GF, sadly.
@@mattoyaki5208 really?
In fact it kinda is... James Turner was one of the guys at GS back in the Colosseum & XD days.
@@mattoyaki5208 No?
The biggest mistake was butchering the Pokémon cries back in X and Y.
Yup now reshiram sounds like a dying dog :)
Still upset about this. Not many people talk about it but it's one of the biggest changes to me.
Elder teen 14 • Reshiram was one of my favorites 😔
Ari It genuinely makes me depressed sometimes lol
Zekrom and Haxorus were ruined so bad it makes me mad
Sword/shield even having a graphical edge is still debatable, considering that the way all the pokemon are textured is extremely flat and plastic-looking.
Totally agree. You used to be able to look at Pokemon and be able to guess what they might feel like to touch. Now I look at new Pokemon and I can't tell what texture they have because everything looks like a child's plastic toy. I guess they move like ones too
@@mori6434 What if, and here me out here, Pokemon aren't alive anymore and everyone just makes their toy versions fight because they can't accept reality yet.
@@mori6434 at least now you know they would feel like a cheap Mc Donald's toy
@@diadantist you're right and I hate it
@@mori6434 I just realized why I hate so many modern pokemon, they feel more like dog squeaky toys than actual, well dogs.
Id also like the add Pokemon Coloseum has a much more epic scale with Orchestral sounds and industrial environments. Each pokemon up to gen 3 had unique animations and moves actually looked like what they did it was at the time the best way to view pokemon battles made for 3d consoles. S&S just feels like a suped up 3ds game.
Pokemon colosseum has orchestral and grandiose music whereas sword/shield has weird techno music the whole game
Everyone say it with me now....
Ahem...
*H I G H Q U A L I T Y A N I M A T I O N S*
That's a DistantKingdom Reference btw.
microwave dog
If animation could speak, they would say "PLEASE, PLEASE END ME NOW"
They seriously didn't try with SWSH, and you know why? It's because they know they didn't have to. They know that even if their game is a steaming hot turd, there is still going to be entire armies of people that will hand them money for it.
Thissss!!!! They dont price the content theyre selling, they price the brand, any shit they throw out by now could be the "best seller" bullshit
Honestly, this is why simply boycotting Pokémon alone won't work. It's a bit grim, but unless you're actively invested in other Nintendo franchises, they're the next available target to try to have our voices heard. This whole Pokémon controversy doesn't reflect well on Nintendo in general, but throwing in the threat of a loss of sales for other series is a way to gain attention. Nintendo may not produce Pokémon directly, but they do have a heavy influence on them.
_Hopefully_ it doesn't actually need to come to this, and Nintendo or Game Freak have already started something in motion, and we can hope to expect more out of Gen IX. Hopefully, they'll be able to use Snap 2 as a jumping point to bring their graphics up to snuff, they'll give more attention to the story and the long term playability, and some actual tender love and care, but I'm just running out of trust at this point. I've been a staunch Pokémon fan since it came to the US 22 years ago; I grew up hoping to be able to share Pokémon with my own kids and nieces and nephews, but Sword and Shield in particular were just disheartening.
@@johns6014 it is disheartening. If Metroid Prime 4 were a mess like SWSH, the Metroid series would be DONE FOR since it can't afford to produce mediocre games, which is why the series went on hiatus after Other M
SH/SW sold more than 18 million copies lol.Basically it's third gen of the most sales just behind Gen I and 2.
Yes it sold more than DP who were third until Sword and SHield. ...
I think they just don't have passion for the games anymore
You can thank satoru iwata for those animations, which were taken largely from Pokemon Stadium that he had a huge role in programming
I remember playing battle revolution after my uncle got I for me and my bro and being so amazed by the Pokemon. I can see why people are so upset with sword and shield.
Gamefreak could only dream about making a character like Wes
They got close with some characters like N. But never a main character.
Game Freak *did* make Wes.
Most of the characters that appear in spin-off games were already drafted by Game Freak.
Most of the main games protagonists are silent self-inserts so there's nothing to them
@@LegionIvory it would have been James Turner, who was character designer at Genius Sonority and then *transferred* to Gamefreak years later, so saying Gamefreak made Wes is a tad disingenuous
Characters comes from the manga not gamefreak
Not to mention colosseum and XD had better music for each fight that moved you to to fight harder. Also better story plots that don't need you to use a high tier legendary to save the region.
Nascour Battle theme solos all SwSh Themes
While I don't think Sw/Sh story was good Colosseum's really isn't that good either. Also the music in Colosseum doesn't hold a candle to Sw/Sh.
Kinda surprising you left out wailord
Argument does just fine without the Goodyear Beluga.
Well, they were able to get the swsh wailord in, but the Coliseum version didnt fit
They put a B Team in charge of Pokémon and put the bulk of their staff on a side project called Little Town Hero. LTH ended as a failure.
LTH was the biggest wasted resources they ever done. Like literally nobody were aware when it was released and it died down after only a week (saw some reviews on youtube and bam total silence).
Like, don't get me wrong, Gamefreak have the right to do some spin off games to not get burned out by Pokemon, but for the love of god, flesh out the mainline games with your main team!
A big failure with Sword/Shield level of animation quality. They must learn how to program games.
I genuinely thought LTH was still in development until reading these comments...
Heard no hype or posts about a release date or it post-release. How sad
Pokémon SWSH is the Sonic 06 of Pokémon, because Sonic 06 had the same problem, where they split the team in half.
Lth wasn't made for anybody
Something you forgot about that I noticed during your demonstration of the colosseum backgrounds was the trainer animations: upon introduction and defeat, opposing trainers had a lot personality put into their animations in Colosseum, while SwSh just had a close up of the trainer's face most of the time, then straight to the battle; you only got unique animations among the "important" trainers.
SwSh trainer animations were just a slog, while Colosseum animations may have been locked to character models, they certainly let you know what kind of trainer you were up against.
Don't ignore the massive impact Colosseum's sound design has, too.
And now I want to dig out my copies of Colosseum and XD: Gale of Darkness, and play them back to back.
Goddamn... I feel old.
Unofficially, I've been replaying it for about a week on Dolphin app on my Galaxy tablet. Gorgeous, smooth and nostalgia crack!
@@matthewhunter4454 I started playing Colosseum again a few days ago. And holy crud, I had forgotten that Gen 3 predates the "Physical/Special split" that Gen 4 and onwards benefited from.
Then there's the fact that Colosseum mostly has Pokemon with subpar stats to snag, compared to XD: Gale of Darkness (XD also addressed a bunch of other shortcomings that were present in Colosseum).
That said, it's still a nice breath of _fresh air,_ compared to Sword and Shield. Double battles and an AI that can actually _fight back?_ Makes for much more satisfying victories, imho.
I really, _really_ hate Justy in Colosseum, though; his team is literally built around _stalling,_ and that's not fun to fight. I had no regrets about stomping him flat; cheese strategies are a big no-no in a turn-based game like Pokemon (since all it does is drag things out and waste _everyone's_ time).
@@Taltharius hahaha I actually turned my tablet off because Justy had used his Asurmaril evasive move so many times that I couldn't land a single hit after 14 rotations of 0 hits I realized that battle was never gonna end in my favor
@@matthewhunter4454 My only advice, is to have a team with at least a few users of moves that are unaffected by accuracy or evasion checks (Aerial Ace, Faint Attack, Magical Leaf, Shadow Punch, Shock Wave, Swift).
I had to do that too, I lost 5 pkmn to that little bastard.
5:11 THE FREAKING SUNFLORA LMAO IM DEAD
sandstorm stronk
Why is collosseum better than Sw/Sh?
Me: Shows sunflora.
N e c k
We peaked at Gen 5
That animation of Zamazenta spinning in place, while walking in place, never ceases to disappoint me.
I love the aesthetic to the Colosseum games - it almost looks like something out of Star Wars.
The dev responsible for the art style was previously working on a star wars manga back then...
Colosseum are fabulous !
My favorite Pokémon game !
What do you think of XD Gale of Darkness?
I totally agree I got the dolphin emulator so I could play them both games again such nostalgia
@@gravity1537 xd is a masterpiece too omg ❤❤❤
I loved colosseum for not just the rpg mode (brilliant) but also the battle mode using my gba team, just amazing
It’s really a masterpiece
I real need to play gale of darkness
Worse yet, even XY had a unique fully rendered background for most generic trainer/wild battles
Worse yet, Sun and moon had much better draw distance with notable examples being the victory road, while pop in is expected in SWSH and stating the obvious but Swsh also has no victory road
I'm glad you made mention to the flinching animation as well. One of my favorite things that made me immersed in the battle was the flinching animation, it made me really feel like my pokemon were *battling.* The way sword and shield animated the flinching made me feel meh. Like it didn't even matter.
Honestly I'm convinced that the greatest difference is that third-party developers *understand the weight of the Pokemon series.*
Every third-party (Genius Sonority, HAL/Pax Softnica, Tecmo Koei, etc.) that has every worked on a Pokemon game seems aware that Pokemon is the one of if not the most recognizable video game brands out there and put in both time and quality to live up to its high reputation.
While I get that previous GF directors fear they've lost inspiration or simply burnt themselves out, rather than making excuses or empty promises, they should at least look at previous spinoffs to remind themselves the Pokemon doesn't need to be built on linear thinking and that change is okay. Even though GF has proven its ridiculous stubbornness to support its game quality (with a mere 148 employees), The Pokemon Company became the biggest problem itself once it began to favor profits over everything else and nothing will seem to change unless otherwise.
Sorry for the rant, great video and here's hoping that GF and TPC wake up from their delusions as the ones carrying the "Pokemon name."
I talk specifically about that here th-cam.com/video/4Bbjq9_mKMU/w-d-xo.html
well, at least you mention TPC instead of 90% of the other comments that think GF are the sole managers of Pokémon
Great video!!
It's incredible how Pokémon Colosseum from 2003 has surpassed by far Pokémon Shield and Sword the latest games launched by gamefreak, 16 years apart and still Pokémon Colosesum continues to be the king.
Heck we can even look back at a game like black 2 and white 2, while not having animations to the level of XD, the Pokémon felt alive and not boring dull and sitting there doing nothing
A few things you missed:
*In Sw/Sh (and since Generation 6), Hitmontop has been shown STANDING UP, whereas Colosseum (and Stadium 2, and Battle Revolution) properly showed him balancing upside down on his head spike like the Sugimori art and older game sprites.
*In Colosseum (and both Stadiums, and PBR), Blastoise has a special "double water" animation for Hydro Pump that shows the water coming out of both of its shell cannons like it's supposed to. Since Generation 6, there's only been one stream of water coming from its mouth.
*In Colosseum, some birds were shown grounded, such as Skarmory. In Sw/Sh, almost all birds are shown flying, a leftover of Generation 6's "Sky Battle" mechanic, and in Skarmory's case, the flying animation is awkward.
Only players who turn off battle animations in the main games because they want a faster battle experience would hate Colisseum/Gale of Darkness
I didn't even realize that I never bothered to turn off animations in Colosseum/XD, that's usually the first thing I do in the mainline games
Part 2 of the analysis of the current state of the Pokémon franchise. You can watch Part 1 (with VO and much more in depth) here: th-cam.com/video/4Bbjq9_mKMU/w-d-xo.html
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You should compare the animations in Sword and Shield with the ones from Battle Revolution on the Wii
@@paperluigi6132 I haven't played it, but I've seen some good video comparisons on YT between those games made by other channels!
Also the catching pokemon animation is far superior in colosseum
I subbed because of this video. Thank you for proving this 🤣
This is so true. The pokemon company doesn't care about their video games. All they want is to force us to use the new pokemon so they can sell more merchandise. If you look into it, they make the majority of their income through pushes and stuff like that, more than their games. They don't care about their games.
I always loved in xd how whenever your pokemon gets hit, your character is like "you okay?"
The particle effects and animations in XD and Colosseum look pretty damn good even today. I love the jagged and painful looking Ice Beam, the glassy Reflect/LS/Protect with the shiny reflective glass building around the user or "bullets" bouncing off them. Earthquake too! Slaking using it in time with his yawn and stretch really drives home (as well as the sound and animation of EQ itself) that it has a REAL KICK TO IT vs Modern games where they rattle the camera awkwardly then get hit some while later. The weather affects I wish would've lasted in the older games but I understand why they didn't.
The best animations are from Pokemon Battle Revolution on the Wii. Pokemon actually WALK UP to the opposing Pokemon and hit.
I agree, but since Battle Revolution didn't have any story mode, I felt the comparison wasn't as fair, since BR only had to focus on the battles and nothing else.
@@Gonz1 Pokemon itself is mainly about the battles though.
@@AurumBlaze well, while battles certainly are one of the main focuses, I personally think Pokémon is much more than that. It's about the adventure, about capturing, training and evolving Pokémon to build a team and come out the other end as champion... I think you'll like my other video on Pokémon even more than this one if you care to watch it, in it I elaborate more on the history and current state of the franchise as a whole.
@@Gonz1 I wish it was like that with Sword/Shield lol (as in it was linear, catching raid pokemon was annoying, you did no training since the game was easy, but I'll admit that the Champion fight was fun) Let's hope the Sinnoh remakes don't suffer the same mistakes.
@@AurumBlaze Couldn't agree more. I really think you'll love this video, I talk about that in length and it's narrated; th-cam.com/video/4Bbjq9_mKMU/w-d-xo.html , please leave a comment with your thoughts if you watch it!
I love how in colosseum the opening sendouts for both teams line up with the music. It’s so rad
Rain in Colosseum went so hard. The harsh winds among the rain make it sound like heavy downpour. XD toned down the wind sound, but I definitely want Primordial Sea to sound like Colosseum rain.
In 16 years, Colosseum and XD aged like fine cheese.
In 6 years, SwSh aged like fine milk.
Anyone else always love the way Umbreon resets its footing when it gets done recoiling from damage? I always loved that little bit of animation.
Coming back from playing colosseum, while the animations are really nice, they take forever. I think espically with weather, itd be better to stream line it all together.
I recently started colosseum after watching pikasprey play and holy crap, I fell in love with the first zigzagoon you fight. They are super cute and expressive it is worlds ahead of sword and shield.
If you haven't played the game before try it, it really captures the feelings of awe and excitement the first few pokemon games gave me.
I'm so proud to have played both colosseum and Gale of Darkness when they were current, truely pokemon perfection in my book.
Even if you haven't, its worth playing these games even 16 years later, you'll be surprised how good they still look!
Another thing I noticed with the background things, is that there are a few battles in random cities in SWSH that the battle background will show either the wild area or a nearby route instead of the city
I grew up with Pokemon, am in my 30's now, and most of my employees are in their 20's or younger. A lot of them like Pokemon and we play together online or play Go in the city. I had to bring my GameCube (and 64 for Stadium) to show them why I was so angry at Sw/Sh because they couldn't relate or understand having never played past games.
About an hour or so in to Gale of Darkness, most felt robbed. And they were shocked that the GameCube games take 3 times as long to beat than Sw/Sh and even some of the other past Pokemon games.
I understand that a finished game with no connection to online access will have to give more.. but there is no excuses for what GF did. They are in it for money at this point. That's it.
Being angry at a game because it didn't live up to your expectations is just unhealthy. It's just a game. I enjoyed it, does that make me stupid or a bad person because I don't agree with you?
Yup the worst part is that there is still too many people in love with the new game that it does not make sense to me !
I recently bought XD for 50 dollars and didnt even flinch about it i already past it and I still wouldnt pay the same amount for that sword and shield trash lol
Not everyone will agree with each other for some it could be there first pokemon game. There are factors to why not everyone hates the game.
Not arguing about opinions just thinking about why people might like it
@@Venemofthe888 The only pluasible reasson I see for they liking it is the music.
@@fademario2000 see i don't like the music like at all. I just sounds bad to me especially the rival fight
Maybe their not hardcore pokemon fans an just thought of it as a simple fun game I guess, otherwise yes sword an shield is very underwhelming, worth like 40 bucks in my opinion
Yeaah honestly I mean okay if they fucked up with the animations but atleast give us a good story and good content we wouldnt be making such a big deal but c'mon cut pokedex wack story then sell us some content after na I'm good like I told my cousin MAYBE I'll try it once i find it used for like 20 bucks and even then I dont think i want to buy a 300 dollar console just to play that!
Shit i stopped at omega ruby lol
That opening cutscene of Pokémon colosseum where dude blows up that hideout will always the most badass cutscene of the whole game
Everything they need to do is to nake a nice colosseum remake!!
Sword/Sheild: NOOOOOO Backgrounds are too hard make it a solid color
Colosseum: Haha big ceiling fan
I was 10 when Pokemon Colosseum came out. To me, it will always be the greatest Pokemon game ever. The animations, storyline, music, mature theme, what's not to like?
instead of going forward game freak go back ...
Both Colosseum and XD in my opinion were way ahead of their time. It's like the both can pass off as a much newer game like early to mid 2010s. Like ofcourse it's got age but man they didn't age badly. I recently bought a pristine copy of Coliseum for like $40 with the original manual and case.
Nowadays game companies just think it's okay to rush games before the intended deadline, but they need to learn that it's okay to delay a game. Doing so will give more time for the game to receive better quality. I would want the Diamond and Pearl remakes to take as much time as needed, not for it to be messed up because somebody thought it was okay just to put up a very short time frame before release.
There are times with modern Pokemon models that it looks as if someone is moving them around in MS Paint. They have so little reaction to something or all they're doing is bouncing around. A move like Tail Whip is just flip horizontal twice.
People want to compare these games to Colosseum.
I honestly think Black and White sprites had more expression.
It makes it sadder that Pokémon colosseum was created by a different developer which tells you how much another company cares for this franchise then the people who owned it
Colosseum and XD are so cinematic.. hope the next game will be better
I think the best thing Pokemon can do is outsource the production for the next game:
Start with Spike/Chunsoft (the developers for the Mystery Dungeon games) and have them create the story.
Next, have Creatures (the developers for Pokepark) create the world/region.
Afterwards, Genius Sonority (the developers for games like XD and Battle Revolution) can create the models and animations for the Pokemon.
Bandai Namco, the developers for the Switch version of Pokemon Snap, can worry about the skins for all of the Pokemon, characters, scenery, etc.
Finally, Game Freak only has to worry about the final touches. They can make the walking/following animations more realistic like in Let’s Go. They can implement whatever new battle mechanics they want. They can pretty do whatever they want to ensure that it’s a well rounded and fulfilling gameplay experience and nothing will have to take away from the game.
This way, not only do we get a unison game combining efforts from all different aspects of the franchise, but we also can finally have a game worthy of being a Switch title after seeing the difference between Sw/Sh and Pokemon’s sibling franchises under the Nintendo brand.
And they have way more money now.
It's incredible how XY models look so dated now, using them in HD doesn't make them look good at all, they look sluggish and washed out (yes I still hate flying pokemon are perpetually flying).
To be completely fair in regards to battle animations, all of the models/animations for Pokemon from generations 1 and 2 were ported into Colosseum/XD from Pokemon Stadium/Stadium 2. If anything, however, that just goes to show that there is no care put into Pokemon's final product anymore in mainline games, with only the spinoffs seemingly having any heart to them.
10:13 That Steelix animation is solid
To me, sword/shield was just an overglorified 3ds game that had it's resolution stretched at an HD resolution. Coliseum is more colorful in its design philosophy in every way and it saddens me that gamefreak didn't bother to look back towards this gem when tasked with making a full-fledged console title.
"I envy you, you know. To climb the 7,000 Steps again... I made the pilgrimage once, did you know that?"
-Jarl Balgruuf, telling the Dragonborn about High Hrothgar-
- Old Trainer, telling Youngster Newbie about Mt. Battle.
Out of curiosity, what was the producton time for pokemone colosseum?
Well as far as I've been able to research, it must have been about a year and a half, since Genius Sonority was founded in early 2002 and Colosseum was released in late 2003. They were an experienced team however, since many of them had previously worked on games like Dragon Quest.
[GONZ] media Then what was the production time for SwSh
The first official announcement from Nintendo was in E3 (june) of 2017, when they confirmed that after Ultra Sun/Moon, the next mainline Pokémon game was already in development, with Let's go Pikachu/Eevee being developed by a different, smaller team inside Gamefreak. So, at least two years of development, although probably longer, since Ultra Sun/Moon was more of a port from the 3ds than anything else.
I think someone wanted to hit the yearly game excuse and got his ass whipped.
@@nyoron39 Right? As if it would be difficult to add actual animations to a TURN-BASED BATTLE SYSTEM when we have studios like Naughty Dog releasing three games since 2016. GameFreak is a lazy-ass company. That's really all there is to it.
Not to mention that in Colossum, every Pokemon has its own personality, just look those Ludicolo dancing in the combat, thats amazing xD
Pokémon Colosseum is one of my most favourite Pokémon games of all time because it just looked cool. Funny enough, it was the first Pokémon game I played. I love the music, the silent protagonist, Miror B, the soundtrack and the Shadow Pokémon. I feel more invested and the places are greatly details in Pokémon Colosseum than Pokémon Sword, I feel like its Pokémon at its best. Though I don't think Pokémon Sword is the worst as it's okay enough as a Pokémon game, though I do think it could be better.
I really hope genius sonority get to make more pokemon games
I think Pokemon has to accept the fact that their combat system revolves around what is essentially dogfighting, they’ve been trying to deny and censor this but it’s pretty obvious and they should make the animations to the level that colosseum brought
I love the Gamecube games - they radiate life, energy, creativity, scale, epicness and a timelessness that we sadly never really saw again.
I can only imagine what the camp would be like with better animations, especially considering that’s the place with probably the best animations in the whole game and it still isn’t even a lot, with such heart in the Pokémon as coliseum or other games camp would probably be my favorite part of the franchise
I would like for Genius Sonority to just go in and do this kind of job and do their own Pokemon game. Stuff that I loved from XD and Colosseum are the themes (EXCELLENT MUSIC WHICH HYPES THE BATTLES), battle mechanics, trade accessibility with GBA, entertaining and cool ass stories, just overall great ambients. My favorite Pokemon game ever is Colosseum, I wish they would've let you have an option to play the story as single battles but it's good that by the time they went with something different, which sometimes going different pays off well, in this case it did. And they are not short games btw, so you're going to have a nice experience if you give time to those two games. Nice video man, I like that you showed some Colosseum clips just to show that nothing compares with the old stuff.
OMG!! I see Pokemon Colosseum, I click.
More people should play this, XD and PBR to know how awesome those games are!!!
PBR is my favorite Pokemon game.
Remember we gave up this greatness for the ability to camp and cook multiple different kinds of foods for some reason.
Had a way more enjoyable experience replaying Colosseum and XD this year than I ever had playing sword+DLC. Pokémon games with an actual story and challenging opponents? Kids would never know.
There are other lackluster things in Sword and Shield like the story and the little importance your character has in it, while Wes it's probably the cooler protagonist in the franchise with an awesome backstory.
I always point to Pokemon Colossuem as an example of how to make an interesting Pokemon story.
i wish that sword and shield have better animations for pokemon in battle it will make the game better and i still play pokemon colosseum/xd/battle revolution
honestly a lot of the reason why the pokemon colosseum stuff looks better and more detailed is they were still following and reusing the animations from the stadium games for gen 1/2 and with 3 they had to continue it otherwise it wouldnt look right
What killed buying Sw/Sh for me was move erasure, by which I mean how many moves were just cut entirely. The other issues definitely added to it, but limiting certain movesets to very specific playstyles is the straw that broke the camel's back.
Man I love Colosseum. the atmosphere, the music, the story even short was great, the feeling of power when you had big Pokemon like Groudon, Wailord, Steelix, etc. I wish genius sonority was the tema in charge of Pokemon instead but oh well at least Pokemon snap looks good (and that's another example of third developer doing a great job)
That one guy in the Under standing next to a motel that battles you with 4 huge ass Wailords lmao made Umbreon and Espeon ants on the screen 😂😂😂
I'm somehow glad they didn't make any date or Trailer for Gen 4, because right now they would just trash that game and break many gen 4 fans heart...
I have collected every single hand held pokemon game since Gen 1. I have come to fall in love with the mechanics of Gen 4 and all the pokemon up to Gen 5 (half of the roster is not bad). While I do not mind Gen 6 and 7 they are not really...good games with clunky mechanics and water downed ideas and pokemon. I love the Pokemon Stadium/Colosseum games for their expressive pokemon. There is no excuse for gen 8 being the way it be. I own a Switch and I refuse to pick up anymore Pokemon games until the developers actually gives a crap about their IP again
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The animation of the Mona in colosseum are so good that makes wanna play it
I'm actually really glad I played a ton of coliseum as a kid. That game was ahead of its time.
I wish both Colosseum and XD would get a remastering
100th subscriber here! Just wanna say how underappreciated this video really is, it opened my mind as to how the game designers at game freak really operate and shows their lack of work ethic when it comes to bringing Pokémon to 3D. Really unfortunate how stuff like this goes through Gamefreak’s head and shows they’re only looking to continue to milk new games and remakes without trying to make a detailed and mesmerizing experience as was Colosseum and XD Gale of Darkness.
It irks me a little bit whenever people say it's "one of the biggest franchises ever." That's not a fair representation of the games. It is the BIGGEST franchise ever. Like, legitimately, this franchise has made more money than Mario, Marvel, Star Wars, etc. It is HUGE.
Compare to 64 and the same points are still valid, oh well gen 9 should fix this or maybe not
They would be, but 64 didn't have a story mode, just battles, so I didn't think it was quite as fair comparing to Stadium. Watch my other video on Pokemon, I don't think they will fix anything too much but I might be wrong
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It’s interesting how another Pokémon spin off, explorers of Sky, has a better story then the mainline games. And it’s not made by Gamefreak also. Not saying that the mainline stories are bad, as some are actually really good, like Ultra sun and Moon, and Black and white and it’s sequels.
man 62k people saw this video and the effort put into it but have the audacity to not click that sub button to support this man dispite liking the video and might wanting to see more
Colosseum was my first Pokémon game and is still my favorite