LaGuardia Airport's Delay Problem
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2023
- In this revealing video, you'll learn why delays occur at LaGuardia Airport. Even though the airport is often referred to as "The New LaGuardia", delays are still a common problem at this busy New York City airport. With airspace inefficiencies and poor weather on a summer day, I reveal what it takes (and lacks) to get an aircraft to it's destination in a very challenging operating environment.
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As an airline pilot, this was a great video showing what goes on behind the scenes and how "weather delays" aren't always at our departure or destination airports. Many passengers don't understand this and will continually accuse us of lying...
Thanks! Yes, I heard pax say that the pilots were failing when it had nothing to do with the pilots!
Someone who says "as an airline pilot" is not an airline pilot
@@masso392 as an airline pilot, yes, sometimes we are
@@masso392he has literal videos on the cockpit.
Terrific insight into what goes on to get you there. So often people become exasperated with delays even though the pilot kept them informed. Kudos to him and to you for keeping happy and explaining the behind the scenes difficulties of keeping an airplane moving in very difficult conditions. Patience patience patience not a trait prevalent in today’s world.
I appreciate that!
Welcome to the USS LaQuardia. Its really frustrating for us pilots as well but thats what we have to deal with everyday. Thank you yet again for explaining this to the lay person. LGA seems to get more closures then JFK and EWR. Another great video. Thanks
Thank you!
I remember the delays from the old "hub and spoke" system airlines used to have. ATL was quite well known for their delays especially when bad weather was added to the huge volume of traffic trying to leave all at once. I once counted 45 planes waiting to take off behind our plane in September 1995 on a Delta flight to Chicago from ATL.
I remember flying out of Ottawa, to Pittsburgh. They had me on United via Dulles. Due to weather, the aircraft was heavily delayed. Not a problem, they put me on Air Canada via Pearson (great!). When I get there, my flight is delayed inbound. Guess where that plane is.
This was a very well done video and really addresses what us Airline Pilots deal with on a daily basis. I also love that you included the Tarmac Delay Program Federal Requirements of Deplaning after 3 hours, another program in place to protect passengers. Keep up the great production work!
Thanks so much!
If anyone is curioys, the Coded Departure Route 25:38 is a preplanning measure by atc and the airline... Its a list of common reroutes that you already have the fuel for.
Great info!
Just found this channel and I am so glad. No more views of opening and closing tray tables. As an avgeek, your vid was appreciated, informative and fun.
Thanks! I got a little tired of seeing those tray tables going up and down myself so I set out to make a change! I appreciate you!
I had a similar delay of 3 hours on Christmas Eve out of Atlanta this past December. We boarded on time but sat on the plane for those hours. The attendants were great, which helped to reduce the tension on board I’m sure. We were actually waiting for our pilots to arrive from another flight that had been delayed due to weather issues. When they arrived, they added some humor to the situation, lightening up the atmosphere on board. After doing their checks, we were off, making it back in plenty of time! Thank you for another wonderful video!!
Thanks for sharing your story and thanks for watching!
In that case waiting on pilots they should have never boarded the plane.
Amazing documentary. Thanks for sharing your journey.
Thank you very much, sky173!
Even though it deals with the aspect of flying that drives me most crazy, I enjoyed this video very much. When I visit Manhattan for Christmas I inevitably fly into LGA and just as inevitably suffer delays flying out because of winter weather. Even though it’s a given, it still drives me nuts. I must say Peter, you have the patience of a saint. Cheers, and keep up the great work.
Thanks so much!
Great job Peter, I enjoyed this video.
Thanks 👍
Great knowledge on airplane operations, Peter. Thank you.
Also, Moral of the Story - Never ever think about transiting through LGA! Looks like I came across Peter's video at the right moment.
Thank you Ganesh Kumar!
Fundamentally, delays at the NYC area airports are a choice that the airlines, the FAA, and the Port Authority have made. The airspace does not really have the capacity to sustain the current number of operations. When everything goes right with the weather, there's barely enough capacity. When anything goes wrong, there are massive delays. It's no accident that EWR and LGA are the number #1 and #2 most delayed airports, and JFK also in the top 10 worst offenders. They are perpetually at the top of the list.
The real problem that this video reveals is the fact that there are so many regional jets operating out of LGA. In the most congested airspace in the country, flying 80 passenger regional jets is insanity. The airlines do it because passengers prioritize schedule frequency and non-stop flights, both of which are enabled by the use of smaller aircraft. The consequence, though, is that flight durations end up insane levels of padding and yet they *still* end up frequently delayed. And when things go wrong with delays at LGA, they go really wrong.
A sane policy would limit the number of slots to what the airspace can actually sustain. And you can bet if the airlines were slot constrained, they wouldn't be using those limited slots on so many 80 passenger regional jets. That would mean more connecting flights and fewer options with regard to flight times, but it would also mean a much better chance of actually getting to your destination on time.
lol. democrat controlled area. global warming lol😅😮
Great job explaining a complicated problem.
Thank you!
I can't believe I actually watched this to the end.
Love your enthusiasm to understand "why".
In 2019, we sat for over 3 hours on a Qantas A380 after schedule departure after normal on time boarding, when a possible bird strike was identified on the wing leading edge.
That started with a short delay to inspect more closely considering the composite material, and then progressively escalated with repairs, sign offs etc. Each additional delay due to escalations must have seemed not worth deplaning 400 passengers.
Everyone seemed in good humor even considering it would be a 13+ hour flight (MEL-LAX).
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your delay story!
Excellent video, Peter. Thank the Lord I have never experienced anything like this. Even though things like this happen, I still love flying more than any other form of transportation. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Thanks! The climbout alone was worth it!
Very well done!
Thank you very much!
Great video, amazing soundtrack.
Thank you kindly!
Ahhhhhh the LGA game. Not something I love to play as a dispatcher. Push back, reroute, Now your departure fix is closed. New reroute out via another closed fix, which you don't have the fuel for anyways. Then you call TMU to get your old route back, they tersely tell you to kick rocks. Then you return to gate-- get fuel, then back out again. When I was the regional dispatcher it only took once or twice to figure out that if LGA had weather, you just gassed everything up as much as you can. Not worth the headaches.
Wow! Yes that’s the story!
Thanks Peter! That was like the rush hour on the Long Island Expressway version of flight coverage. Thank you for sparing us the other 5 hours + 15min, would never get laundry done. LOL
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@PeterMasella Sometimes Islip looks like a reasonable alternate :) People need to understand everybody from the cabin crew to flight deck to dispatch to maintenance…everyone wants to get you out and to your destination on time, because delay screws up their day too.
Last July my family was leaving Frankfurt when we had a bird strike in our left engine. We stayed on the runway for almost 3 hours. We got an extended stay in Germany by two days. We fly back home on the same plane with the same crew. Amazing people!
Wow!
Flew out of there in the 90's during the summer. Definitely an interesting airport.
Sure is!
Incredible video!
Thanks, LawNeu!
Nice job!
Thanks!
at 27:00, what you heard was part of the controller briefing, either before a break or before a position split/combine. Controllers will typically work for between 1-2 hours before a break, depending on the facility and staffing. Controllers generally have a button they push so it is recorded, and in this case my guess is the second controller plugged in her mic with the transmit button on.
It was pretty cool to hear!
Fascinating video, Peter, with a most touching sequence on the fallen hero's arrival. You could not have made a better choice for that string ensemble rendition of "The Star Spangled Banner" for the sad visuals and your accompanying voice-over. Well done, and informative, as always! Fascinating that you are able to monitor the frequencies as part of your explanatory narration - they don't bother you over using a radio?
P.S: You've also stoked my enthusiasm for visiting LGA to photograph that impressive soaring pedestrian bridge!
Thanks so much Steve! I appreciate your comments. I have no radio and don’t listen to ATC on the plane. I add the ATC audio via the archive from Liveatc.net after the flight while editing the video. It’s a lot of work to match up the audio with the video!
@@PeterMasella Of course! That occurred to me after I posted, but I do admire your thoroughness in tracking it all down after the fact, considering the sheer volume of such communication. Thanks again for making all the behind the scenes goings on that make even the most routine flights work more comprehensible!
P.S. Love the photo with you sitting at the desk with the big TWA Super Connie model.
Thank you for showing the fallen soldier. It was a thoughtful gesture of respect. God bless all of those who defend our great nation.
Amazing video
Thanks!
LGA has issues. More needs to be said about the flight crew (pilots & flight attendants) that don’t get paid for the delays.
What's up from Jacksonville like your channel
Thanks so much!
I think I was captain on the LGA-DEN delta flight on this same day! I remember that southwest passenger issue. TLDL, I timed out before taking off for DEN.
Wow! I’m sure many flights were affected. What a day!
Your best video. Thanks for letting us hear the engines on take-off and landing. I feel for the children on the delay. Did you get fed?
Thanks. I often will play music when we take off and land because people are sometimes talking so loud and all you can hear is conversations! But I wanted to expose some of the frustration this time that the passengers commented on. I had a biscoff cookie and water.
@@PeterMasella I like hearing the power of the engines on take-off. I was at Newark Airport in 1963 on my way to basic training in the Air Force. You should fly to OTZ, I lived there in 1978, no crosswind runway and then it was half gravel. Landing Wein Air Alaska 737 was an adventure. I was at Teterboro in 1960 in a Cessna, first flight.
You made this video very interesting to watch, was it hot inside?
Thanks!
Much appreciated! Thank you!
I always fly out of LGA with southwest with a connecting flight usually connecting in MD/ Dallas love or Denver and landing in sky harbor. Luckily all the times I took that flight everything ran smooth.
I never had to wait in crazy que. I always took early flight like 7/8 am.
Generally, the earlier you leave the less delays you will experience.
The TWA desk picture is iconic.
I love that place!
I had a similar experience. We also had to wait on a long line because there were lots of planes arriving. When we finally got to cross the runway after a think it was an hour and a half it started to rain which delayed even more. After it stopped raining we had to go back to the gate because we needed to refuel and change flight crew. Then the tugs were busy and we had to wait 20 minutes for one to come. My flight was supposed to land at 8:00PM. We took of from laguardia at 8:01PM
It’s all too common.
What a marathon…
Cheers!
Cheers Francoooooo!
Good video. I think the problem with airports like LaGuardia is that big majority of flights is on regional jets. I think if they change some of them to mainline, it will help reduce congestion. But also having 2 runways that intersect make it easier for it to be delayed if their bad weather.
Also, during the summer months, if take an early morning flight (like 6-9am) it is more likely to be on time compared to 3-4pm, due to frequency of afternoon thunderstorms that delay flights.
So true! Thanks for watching!
Nope. Wouldn't help one bit. The issue is airspace, not the size of planes... Its a slot rrstriction airport and airlines are required to fly all those flights or lose the slots.
Glad I’m retired! Have time to watch. Thanks.
Enjoy!
Great vid! Just curious, where did you find LaGuardias initial fixes? I’m trying to find jfks intial fixes after the departure procedures and I can’t find any website or anything that mentions it. Or are those fixes just the closest ones to the end of the SIDS?
Thanks for watching! Try airnav.com.
They are, clockwise starting from North. Deezz, greki, merit, bayys, bette, hapie, shipp, wavey, Dixie, white, rngr, lanna, coate, neion, haays, gayel
You're looking for the JFK5 departure
Got love weather & ny airspace .. the only thing new about LGA is the terminals & the new taxiwayway to help with ground movement . Other then that it’s still plagued with the same issues when it comes to air space it’s just congested airspace.
So true.
I always try to take the first or second morning flight, especially in the summer.
Good idea!
Could you please include in-video captions of the radio transmissions and cabin announcements for those who are deaf and hard of hearing? TH-cam's captions can't pick up any of the radio transmissions. Thanks!
Great idea!
Listening to this makes me so very happy that I retired as an airline pilot early this year. I do not miss it at all.
I will say this though, When I was a young copilot, I remember days flying out of LGA and JFK being number 85+ in line, That was during the PATCO strike in I believe late 80 or 81. 40 some odd years and it hasn't seemed to improve the situation much. I doubt you were born then.
Wow! Even back then! I was born in the 1970s but was quite young during the PATCO strike!
I find especially flying out of LGA it is best to fly out early morning to minimize delays of course depending on the weather.
Yes, true!
LOL I was a pilot with the Delta Connection (Business Express) in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The traffic hassles haven't changed...
I remember those days! Nothing changes.
Last summer, I was unfortunate to have a layover at LaGuardia. My connecting flight got cancelled, and the other flight I got booked on had a departure time of 8:35 PM. We left at 11:10 PM. I was stuck at LGA for almost 8 hrs (my plane had landed close to 3:30 PM).
Needless to say, I have experience with LGA’s delay and cancellation problems.
Unfortunately it is a common problem.
With my experience last time trying to fly from Chicago to LGA, I've resolved to drive it next time, and I'll probably reach my destination faster.
That could work!
Are the delays just for departures or do they effect arrivals too? I just booked myself and two other friends flights from different places coming from different different destinations connecting in lga and then all continuing to tys
My next video will be about a delay to LGA that lasted several hours!
@@PeterMasella staying tuned! Love the content!
Operational question Peter - does the cabin crew get paid from the moment the doors shut, or the moment the wheels are up? Thanks! and great video as usual
I’m not the expert in this field but from what I hear, they get paid when the doors shut.
@@PeterMasella yes, that's what I thought. Thanks
Man it’s a good thing that I will be flying out of JFK the day before Thanksgiving. I know they mostly handle international flights. However, every time I leave out of there, it’s less congested and departures are on time weather permitting/luck 😁
I think the day before Thanksgiving will be a heavy travel day no matter what airport! I've been delayed out JFK many times.
Hi there what date was this flight?!
This was filed on July 7.
Why are you going to Jacksonville so often? I assume it is for work. What are you doing there?
95% of my flights are for personal reasons, including this one.
Just flew in/out of LGA last month. I despise it. You. Will. Wait.... for everything.
It can be difficult.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Doesn't LaGuardia have two runways? If so, why not open the second runway to ease traffic?
LaGuardia has two runways and during the time this video was filmed both runways were in use. Runway 13 was the departure runway and runway 22 was the arrival runway. The problem is not with the runways. Even if LaGuardia had four runways there is nothing that can be done if the airspace around NYC is closed.
@@PeterMasella okay that makes sense. Thanks.
The weather in LaGuardia can be beautiful, but if the weather over your route is no good they’ll shut your route down and it’s very rare that they re route you around the weather due to airspace congestion. Add in trail spacing, fuel requirements, maintenance issues, and crew rest rules on top of that and a small congested airport and it’s a recipe for delay disasters.
So true!
I had the exact same issue out of JFK a few weeks ago. Sounds like it may have been the same day as you. I eventually deplaned and cancelled my trip.
Wow!
Only an AV GEEK would call your trip an "exciting day". LOL. On another note, I was on a Delta fight into ATL in December 2017. It was the day there was a fire under concourse C that knocked out power at the airport, including the air bridges. We sat on our plane for 8 hours AFTER landing before we could taxi up to the where they were unloading planes using air stairs. Landed just after 1. Got off the plane about 9 PM. (Look it up!)
I think I remember that!
This video should be shown to passengers, they get so mad at pilots and the airline like it is their fault all the time. We want to go just as much as you do
So true!
Given heavy wx to the West shutting down those waypoints, it would seem logical to route the climb-outs East towards Nantucket, then South and to altitude. As long as it can stay clear of departures out of JFK and EWR to Europe, no reason not to be out over the water until past Virginia, then pick up coastal route from South Carolina to Jacksonville and Florida points. But NY Tracon does not seem to do that, all those planes head over NJ. Never did grasp the logic of that.
That makes complete sense and I totally agree with what you are thinking!
All the European arrivals come in that way
Safe to say that you've toured every taxiway and ramp at LGA now...?
I’d say so!
That is my old airline... I was a captain there for 7 years, 5 based in nyc. Let me know if you have any technical questions.
Thanks! I appreciate it!
I wonder what makes them decide to build the bridge instead of a pedestrian tunnel. United in the late 80s built the tunnel from concourse b to c at O'hare. O'hare is building satelitte terminals but it looks like they will have tunnels.
I thought that too. Perhaps the vicinity to the water had something to do with it.
Has everything to do with it. LaGuardia is at sea level, smack on the ocean.@@PeterMasella
@@jvaneck8991 Exactly! Additionally, the experience of walking the sky bridges over the active tarmac as compared to the underground concourses at ORD is totally unmatched. Especially for a flight enthusiast!
Could've driven to Jacksonville in the time it took to drive to LaGuardia, board, taxi out, get delayed, off load, reboard, taxi out, then depart.
It sure was a long flight!
Wow. I can only imagine the frustration of the passengers on those flights. That was kinda painful.
There was lots of talking about the delay in the cabin!
Well, you where so long aboard that I could almost say welcome here in Europe 😂
Maybe!
LaGuardia is a mess. I usually connect thru LaGuardia every two months flying between Raleigh and Detroit. Very rarely does the flight get off the ground within 15 minutes from pushback. I remember on a couple evenings about a year ago where it took over an hour to takeoff. We were on the taxiway longer than the flight was to Raleigh.
Unfortunately that happens a lot.
50 years of Democrat control
I was listening on atc one day and yeah...some planes who landed we're still waiting for a gate 2 1/2 hours after landing 💀
That’s very plausible!
All the New York's airports are overcrowded is not a news. The LaGuardia intersected runway can not serve the problem and it is lack of land to expansion.
But New York seems no land reserved for a new airport to fulfil the air-travel demand.
Also the airlines are using small aircraft to reach the frequency rather than the capacity.
Wow, a real nightmare, better luck next time❤
I made the most of it!
You should add transcripts to your videos for the radio calls
Good idea!
I actually work the ramp out of that terminal that person wing walking your flight was my friend lol. But yeah, there's a reason us ramp agents call it LaGarbage airport.
Cool. It can be a mess out there!
@@PeterMasella Definitely can! Doesn’t help that half our belt loaders, baggage and push tugs aren’t operational or barely hanging on by a thread and we have more gates than equipment lol.
You have the patience of Job.
I’ll assume that’s a compliment!
@@PeterMasella Job was a righteous man in the old testament who, at the hands of satan suffered the death of his many children, the loss of his many possessions, and the loss of his health, yet through it all maintained his faith in God. Hence we have the expression "the patience of Job." So yes it was a compliment that throughout all your delays that day you maintained a calm and level head, realizing it was the result of circumstances far beyond the pilot's control. thanks for the video. Maybe some viewers by watching saw and learned the value of just chilling out and going with the flow even when things don't exactly go their way.
Wow, that's a total nightmare of having a flight delay. Did you know that flight delays are my worst nightmare
I look at it as more time in a plane which is always fun!
@PeterMasella Wow, I usually do the same thing when I flew Spirit Airlines to Orlando we had to wait on the taxiway cause it was a very long wait, but I saw a few planes takeoff and landing, which was way more interesting
Flaaarida!
Flight delays are not fun. What about maybe going to key west sometime?
I make the most of the delays! I love Key West and have been there several times!
@@PeterMasella would you be willing to do a video about Key West?
@@bobhunter5774 I would be be it’s not going to be part of my agenda anytime soon ☺️
Well Peter I don’t know which NYC Airport has more delays. In my opinion that JetBlue has better experience.
All airports have pretty bad delays nowadays!
Then that is a major problem.
What was the date of the flight and what time of hour?
This was July 7 and the times are referenced throughout the video.
You should fly to Ontario international airport
I have but didn’t have this channel at that time!
As large as JAX is, I'm surprised they put you on a regional jet there instead of the main line.
It’s a LGA based flight route. Regional jets are king at LGA.
@@PeterMasella With it being a smaller airport than EWR or JFK, I guess that makes sense.
Also, LGA has a flight perimeter, so there’s less need for larger planes since it doesn’t run coast-to-coast routes. If I recall correctly, Delta only really flies mainline from LGA to its other hubs and a few major destinations.
Building the new terminals at LGA was always just slapping lipstick on a pig. They never added any new concrete. No new runways, no new taxiways, no bans on corporate jets or regionals wasting slots. And bad weather delays are the price you pay for being a New Yorker, as if so much as one thundercell pops up over Pennsylvania or Delmarva, poof - there goes your route and on time hopes.
I heard Newark was bad. I have never flown to New York and this scares me about it.
NYC is still worth the visit!
Hey how are you question is it a crj900 ?
In this video I will be flying on a CRJ 900.
@@PeterMasella cool am a big fan keep up the great job!
@idrissajalloh8402 thanks so much!
What an inordinate delay ...!
Yes, very true.
Airlines should look into other NY regional airports.
They have but it has not been very successful.
Where’s the buck stop at the company for fuel management? It’s teeeeeeechnically the captain, but I’d imagine Endeavour Operations is the one who has to pay for it, and onward to Delta Ops since they get the yelling from the customers. If you fly into these problem airports with forecast problem weather and problem traffic frequently, is the addition of ooodles of fuel (that you will burn anyways) worth more in the truck at the gate, or already in the wings? The cost in fuel, labour, and time, would surely outweigh any fuel not burned in the conga line. And even if the sky gods (whose powers never work in Newark) magically open up and let the line go, they’re surely still under MTOW with the extra fuel.
you should contact them and fix it😅😮😢😢😢😂😂😂😂😂😂
What do you expect, LaGuardia is an aircraft carrier.
Yup
Endeavor is not Delta.
I have to stay you know what you're talking about the airline
Thanks!
One reason of many WHY you buy non stop flights..
I try to get nonstop flights but sometimes there is no option but to connect!
You are like Ozzie Nelson, you are active, but nobody knows where you work.
Never heard of him, but I'll look him up!
@@PeterMasella You might not find this but on his family TV show he seemed to go to work but it was never identified where he worked.
@@PeterMasella - Are you joking? (Then again, you're young, so maybe not).
Nice.👍 Now I'm trying to remember if what Jim Anderson did was ever mentioned (Oops, just as I typed that I remembered - never mind). But here's to 50s and 60s TV Dads!
@@TheZumadude Robert Young (Jim Anderson) was very abusive to the rest of the cast according to Billy Gray (Bud) who I met some years ago.
That was just a bad operational decision not to fill up the tank given the issues at LGA. This issues are well known operating out of the airport. Nothing new. Thank it's bad now, should have tried flying out of LGA in the late 90s early 2000's. 2 hour + wait after pushback was the norm.
So true! I remember those days too.
Unfortunately, it's not as easy as just filling up the tanks. The aircraft has to be planned to land under maximum structural landing weight, so the weight of the gas you take with you as reserve must be accounted for on landing as well, even if there's a good chance you'll use it. This is touched on after they returned and almost had too much fuel. Additionally, runway 13 is the most limiting at LGA performance-wise. This may have been a factor as well. As an airline dispatcher, the ceiling for how much fuel I can take is rarely limited by tank capacity.
Well one thing to say. It's still faster than driving😂
Absolutely!
4:29 - Spelling Error
Good catch!
also 21:52
@@JustinPinedaMedia you are Eagle eyed! Thanks for pointing that out!
...love how everyone's haul'n A$$ out of the Jacksonville terminal. I think you all had enough for the day! What a flight!! UGH!!
Everyone wanted to get out quickly!
As I’m planning to fly to Lagurdia in December I’ll stick back to JFK New York has the worst weather 😂😂😂
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NYS spent billions of dollars fixing up the LGA terminals but they couldn't do anything with the runways like either lengthening them or adding more runways? That would really solve LGA delay problems. Come on NYS! What are we paying high taxes for?
I agree! The real issue is beyond the airport - and the lack of usable airspace fixes for departures.
@@PeterMasella well they should fix that too!
Well, where exactly should they put these new runways or the extensions? LGA is crammed in between the city itself and Flushing Bay. Yes, they could try extending out into the water, but that would be extremely expensive, complicated by the presence of Rikers Island. Even adding/lengthening runways doesn’t alleviate LGAs problem. As pointed out in the video (9:45), La Guardia uses approaches and departures that are shared with other airports, then lump on the OTHER- smaller but still very active airports (Teterboro, Morristown, Republic, Islip, White Plains, etc) and you are still left with an extremely congested web of airspace. The problem is not so much LGA as it is WHERE LGA exists. If someone built the same exact airport in Kansas, it’d function just fine, but when you stick it in the middle of a shared airspace soup of at least 6 other airports, and in a the most congested part of the country (I’m talking the line from Boston clear down to Richmond and maybe even so far as Atlanta) it becomes a struggle to keep things running smoothly.
26:01 you should have put the map of the fixes back up again. I forgot where everything is and I’m not about to go back in the video to look
Good idea!
0:12 - 0:13 😂
Lol
@@PeterMasella Reminds me of the "OOPS!" overlay / slide whistle sound Mark Goodson / Bill Toddman, and later Mark Goodson production game shows did when they needed to censor someone. 😂
What was it? I didn't notice anything.
@@canyonoverlook9937 The way he censored another passenger cussing in frustration.
The airport is a mess! It screwed up my travel plans a couple times this summer.
If I had my way, the head of ATC, FAA and airport administration would be giving me their resignations. They are not doing their jobs.
RIP to the fallen soldier but the army let him take American Airlines?????