LaGuardia Airport's WHITESTONE CLIMB
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- In this video, I take you on a journey from LaGuardia airport's 7000 foot long runway 13 to the climb over Whitestone New York via the Whitestone Climb. Strategically sitting on the left side of the plane, I provide the best views and fully explain with air traffic control how we get to our initial departure fix, LANNA so we can head to Atlanta, the world's busiest airport.
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As a pilot and fellow aviation junkie, your enthusiasm is refreshing! Entertaining video!
Thanks David!
yes
Great video 📷! Love your explanations! What is the Canarsie Curve?
@@PeterMasella You're welcome, bud!
Great view of my alma mater SUNY Maritime! Thanks
Cool!
The Whitestone climb out left enough noise over my elementary, junior, and high school that my teachers had to constantly interrupt speech for noisy B727s to pass over us. It got a bit quieter when the DC10s were introduced in 1971, but quieter twin aisle jets didn't last long at La Guardia, and DC9s and B727 were in the majority in the 60s and 70s. Schools had heat in the winters but no AC in the summers when windows had to stay open. Also aluminum awnings would vibrate so much that their fasteners would crack bricks by transmitting collected vibration.
I went to school in Renton Washington, home of Boeing manufacturing for the 727. My grade school was located, literally, about a half a mile from the runway. Even at recess, you couldn't hear your buddies talking to you from more than 6 ft away, if that. I know what you're talking about!! Huh!?
Great stories!
As always, I love videos in this style! Thank you for making them!
And thank you for watching, Charles!
Singing, “Getting to know you, getting to know all about you”. My chance to see New York and fly! Thank you so very much for these wonderful videos❤
It’s my hope you learn more day by day!
Awesome video Peter! 👏👏👏👏
Great views all around, but especially good views of LGA.
THANKS
Thanks for watching!
Thank you, Peter. Enjoyed the great views of NYC and your flight.
Many thanks!
I absolutely love this. Excellent as always, Peter. Had to postpone my NYC trip by two weeks but still looking forward to experiencing LGA for myself.
Have fun! It will be amazing for you!
This is great. Anyone that flies with me is subject to foreflight approach and departure plates... glad to see I'm not alone!
Love it!
As a Flight Attendant who frequently works and rides as a pax out of LGA, thank you so much for your excellent Narratives!
Great to hear! Thanks!!
Nice video of the Whitestone and your explanations were 'right on.' I've flown that departure climb many times, "back in the day." ... Thanks for posting. New York City is awesome.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so much!!
I enjoyed this video a lot. I like the ATC in the background and the explanations of everything going on. Keep up the amazing work!
Thanks a ton!
what a staggering amount of information you have managed to give us. Many thanks
Thanks for watching, Joe Barrett!
Thanks! What a great trip to go on together.
Thanks so much, Jay! I appreciate it!
New York approach, LGA sector, was my first facility. Over 30 years ago now. It hasn't changed. Thanks for the memories!
That's awesome! I've been listening to ATC at LGA for a long time and probably know your voice from years ago!
I work in the LGA area now!
Nice job Peter,
I too spent many days at the approach end of runway 4 in that little park south of the Grand Central Parkway and across from the "Academy of Aeronautics". Now I'm a retired TWA/AA Captain with thousands of hours in and out of LGA, JFK and EWR as well as other airports in the Tri-State area. Keep up the great work!
Cool! Thanks!
I’m an A@P apprentice about to take my O&P,s . Life change ! I’m an old man changing careers at 50 ! Shoulda done this when I was young but Life got involved Im also a student pilot and finally soloed after starting flying when I was 15 outta MATTITUCK AVIATION. A Little GA reman . Shop on L.I.
THIS IS MY DREAM. I don’t go to work anymore. I’m working with guys n Gals that could be my kids ! Lol.
Thanks for thos that made this video and you Captain for your years of safe flight.
What airline did you fly ?
Take care Michael M.
PS PPL HERE I COME !
What an amazing narrative. It was meant for you to make videos. I loved the interactions with ATC. I never knew there was a Whitestone climb out of LGA. It one of my favorite airports to fly in or out of. I just subscribed and I look forward to more after I catch up with your other videos. Fantastic 😊
Wow, thank you!
Many times I've see these departures from I 678 northbound toward the Whitestone Bridge. I envy how fast the flights can transition the area compared to down there driving.
It’s amazing to watch!
Great video! I was just watching aircraft flying this departure out my window in Queens, and it’s nice to see it from the aircraft’s perspective.
Cool!
Awesome job, thank you, enjoyed very much. I am an airplane mechanic, always a fanatic of aviation
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very well done video. Keep up the good work Peter.
Thanks - so much more to come!
Nice NYC departure view, thank you.
Thanks!
I love your informative videos!! Great stuff!!
Thanks so much!
Thank you so much for this video. You put so much work into this and it shows. Just subscribed 😊 all the best!
Thank you so much!
Great vid...and, as alway, love the background of the navigation/ATC. Also, as a non-New Yorker, I appreciate the explanations of the geography of the area near which you are flying.
And...on a lighter note...I think you should make "this is really complicated/busy airspace!" your official catchphrase. 😉
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you and good idea!
another enjoyable video. even though i've seen you describe this climb out before i always learn something new!
Thanks Sam! I try to reveal something new in each video, despite being a frequent flyer at LGA!
Peter is fantastic. Atlanta is my home.
Thanks!
I think this is the departure I remember from the days of Shea Stadium. Radio and television commentators working games involving the Mets pretty much had to stop speaking for 30-45 seconds during the worst of each aircraft's jet blast. The guys who worked for WFAN were used to it, but it did bother visiting teams' announcers on many occasions, and when ESPN, NBC, Fox, etc. came to Shea for a nationally televised game, they usually had to explain the jet noise issue to their viewers.
They’re still there but not as loud. I don’t think I’ve been to game at Shea or Shitty Field that hasn’t had flights overhead making that transition. Know how I know the 737 doesn’t have covered wheel wells? I see them all the damn time. 😂😂
Larry, I'm a Braves fan who started watching baseball in the 80s and every time the team went to Shea they had to explain the airplane noise. It was a cool feature in my opinion.
@@abathens I recall that that was the era in which WTBS and WGN (Chicago) began using the "superstation" concept under which they were carried on cable systems all across the country, so I grew up seeing a lot more of the Braves and Cubs than a kid in an American League city before interleague play should have seen. That was my first exposure to the National League and the crazy idea (to my 6-year-old AL mind, at least) that the pitcher actually stepped to the plate to bat.
I recall multiple generations of Carays -- Harry, Skip, and Chip -- mentioning Shea's proximity to LGA and the jet noise issues whenever the Braves or Cubs would visit New York. Holy cow, huh? :-P
@@abathens It actually just occurred to me that I've been forgetting about Shea's other occupant for 20 years, the Jets, so I'm sure they had to deal with it the same as the Mets. In fact, I've seen some chunks of the Jets' last home game at Shea, a 1983 tilt against the Steelers probably best remembered as Terry Bradshaw's final game, and do seem to recall a few planes briefly interrupting Dick Enberg and Merlin Olsen. (It is worth a laugh to note that just before the extra point that made it 34-7 Steelers, Enberg spoke of the "New Jersey Jets" in mockery of their upcoming move.)
That is very cool!
Fantastic commentary and explanation as always, Peter!
And as always...Thank YOU!
Wonderful video. Keep up the great work.
Thank you very much!
great video Peter ! very well put together !
Many thanks!
Very exciting to watch,, very good job
Thank you very much!
Thank you for sharing this airport there in New York.
Thanks for watching!
@@PeterMasella You are welcome.
That was fun and informative !!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good editing! Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
Thanks, very informative. I always fly this take off route from La Guardia to Atlanta.
Cool! Thanks for watching!
@@PeterMasella Ur welcome.
Dude, you’re *exactly* like me lol. Every flight I’m on is excited me paying close attention to every detail (surrounded by hundred people who hate flying and don’t care)
Lol! I always feel like I’m the only one!
The A220 is such a beautiful aircraft. I just love the nose.
It sure is!
This video represents an impressive amount of dedication to figure out the design of the ATC sectors, which is generally not published.
Thanks! I’ve been studying New York City airspace for decades!
Well I've never ever had an urge to go to New York city. But your look back over the skyline of Manhattan was pretty awesome.
Try a visit sometime!
@@PeterMasella
Well I know you gotta try it, and the experience may change you. But I've been to Houston, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, Washington DC and everytime I've just been "MEH" about the experience. Too many people in just not enough space I guess. I do like the diversity of stuff to do of the large and larger cities but just can't bring myself to want to ever go to them again. Seeing statue of liberty would and is a thing I want to see ... so I know I'll be in New York some day, but right now many many other things to see that for me puts cities way at the bottom of the bucket list.
Thanks for stopping in. 😀
Awesome! That’s how I feel on flights!
It’s the best!
Love your videos. You are a great narrator.
Thank you kindly!
Well done. Love the NYC travelog.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi Peter, really enjoy your videos and channel! As a youngster we used to ride our bikes from Astoria and hang out around the service road by the edge of runway 4 and watch the flights pass directly over us during final approach... and take off/jet blast as well. Similar to St Maarten, maybe just a few feet further difference in proximity. Love the logistics/navigation, ATC, everything that you're covering. Love other channels like yours with respect to full-flight coverage and also plane spotting. Amazing job, and like so many others say, love your channel!
Thanks so much! I used to go to that service road too..long ago!
What street and avenue is near this nice plane spotting area? As a kid, I and Dad plane spotted on 87 st & Astoria Blvd.
They now call it Runway Drive. We took Ditmars Blvd just past 81st Street (where it curves to right) then left on Marine Terminal Road (pass rental cars) - stay right. The runway (4) is used mainly for winds out of the NE. Takeoffs and landings. Not sure how security is now, much more heightened I'm quite sure then back in the days... but you never know till you try. Walk/bike? perhaps. That's how we did it, good old pedaling.
Thanks for the video man I'm an aviation enthusiast like you, really enjoy it! Now I know if I fly the Whitehorse departure got to have a left seat! Safe Flights!
😀thanks for watching!
Another fantastic video. Always learning something new on your channel. Just as an FYI, as a sim pilot, I typically fly as Delta 846.
Cool, thanks!
That’s too funny! I flew on Delta 846 in real life!
Great commentary, great video, good job, I wish it was sunny, but alas, roll with the punches.
Thanks for watching!
This video was thoroughly impressive SUB
Welcome aboard! Thanks so much!
Nice to hear Northwest mentioned. I spent most of the ‘90s & 2000s as a Gold Elite Worldperks member. RIP, NWA.
Cool!
I do not understand all of the Airplane Lingo, but it is still interesting to hear it. Your voice makes me feel comfortable. Thanks.
Thank you Jonathan! I appreciate that!
Wow, that's impressive work! Happy safe and happy flying!
Thanks!
Great video! Thanks for posting. Love this climb and the new terminals too! (can't believe we're saying this about LGA!)
Though small correction: largest city in North America is actually Mexico City, NYC a close second.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for pointing that out!
Peter, great video and your excellent commentary!! Even, your a/c history on the DL A320…ex-NW. ✈️
Many thanks!
Thanks Peteeeeerrrr!
Thanks Francooooo!
Great video! I believe this was the flight path of the famous "miracle on the Hudson" flight from LGA-CLT.
Thanks for watching! No, it was not. The "miracle on the Hudson" flight departed on runway 4, not runway 13.
Great idea of a video 🎉
Thanks! 😊
Good trip report
Thanks!
Nice job on this.
Thank you! Cheers!
nice job, Pete!
Thank you! Cheers!
Many times I flew that departure. It's a fun transition, not unlike the more famous Canarsie Approach into JFK. But wow, have they ever changed LGA - the only things, other than the pavement of the taxiways and runways, that were there when I was flying in and out of there are the AA hangars (at least the two that are left, possibly only for the time being...). BTW, nice touch having the ATC audio playing in real time!
Thanks! LGA is different terminal side but the same on the airside.
Last summer I was at a Mets Game at Citifield. Sitting on the third base side I saw all the departures use this pattern.
So cool!
This is absolutely the geekiest video I've ever seen 😂! Love it!
😀😀😀
Very nice. Pity it was on a bright, sunny, summers day.
I’m sure I’ll fly this departure again! Thanks for watching!
You have extensive knowledge. You should become a pilot! (If you aren’t already) great video!
Thanks! I never thought about becoming a pilot, but I enjoy doing what I do.
I love ittttt❤🛫
😀
On your approach to Atlanta, you flew directly over my house!! I’m right at the turn where they line up for the runway. They are usually about 2500 feet above. I sit and watch them land and takeoff from my deck. I also use FlightAware to track them.
Cool!
Мне нравится когда из Ла Гвардия вылетаешь!!!
Me too!
Just flew out on the Whitestone climb on the 3rd!
Awesome!
I experienced a similar climb out from Newark Liberty once. We took off and he banked into a turn and seemed to be there for fifteen minutes. I figured we were in a tight climb until we got up over the traffic. Sort of a spiral climb.
Love it!
Great video. Love it how you explain why planes take those flight path. But how do you find out what runway your flight is taking? I don't fly much but I like to do the same thing. Knowing where to sit.
Thanks for watching. I check the wind first and look to see which runways would provide a headwind for both arrivals and departures.
When i was a kid at St Anns in the 1970s we protested the loud jet noise at LGA. I particularly remember how we couldn’t talk, listen to tv, or hear teachers when the 727s flew over - every two minutes at peak. Gee maybe us kids are part of the reason for the Whitestone Climb.
Ha! I always remember teachers stopping for the airplanes too! But I loved it!
Hi Peter! Live your videos. Quick question, maybe a silly one but how do you find out these flight paths ahead of time? I.e how did you know you were doing the Whitestone Climb and how did you know to strategically position yourself on the left side for best views?
Thanks! Happy flying!
I saw that all departures were flying the Whitestone Climb for hours that day before my flight. Thanks so much for watching!
I flew the Whitestone climb a few times in my short career as a First Officer with Envoy.
Cool!
You should do airline training videos man! Very detailed.
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Thanks! ✈️
Hi Pete.. ty you for the great vid. You ever in Jersey or around TEB look me up. Would love to meet you. Keep it coming!
Maybe one day!
Great video Peter! Thanks for posting. Would you mind repeating where is LANNA located in NJ?
Thanks! LANNA is in Everittstown (Hunterdon county), NJ
It is 20 years ago that I was the last time at LGA. In the 80ies and 90ies I flew a lot out of LGA, It was always hectic in those old terminals.
I flew always with Delta.
It seems that those old terminals are replaced by new terminals.
Yes. Check out my other videos about the construction of the new Delta terminals at LGA.
This is awesome. I fly out of lga and grew up taking flying lessons out of hpn. Nyc (tracon) is a very busy area. If you can make it here.....
Cool!
How do you decide left or right side of the plane? I am coming to LGA from RDU and normally do left side window, but wondering what I’ll see on the right side?
Enjoy your flight. I'm in NC as well, flying from GSO.
It really depends on the wind! Generally if the wind is from the north I choose left and if the wind is from the south I choose right. But it's not guaranteed.
Hi Peter, how much longer do you think this aircraft can stay in service since it's over 30 years old?
I don't know! And I haven't read anything about it either!
great video man!! how'd you sync the ATC traffic or were you recording it at home?
I add it after the flight.
cool video with the explanation and atc. are you instrument rated? you seem to know a lot about these procedures.
Thanks! I am not a pilot!
My cousin lives in flushing NY! She gets departing la guardia flights they are very low since they just take off but its cool!
Very nice!
@@PeterMasellayes!
Would like to see the arrival onto LGA Runway 31...opposite if the Whitestone climb. On those windy winter days they bring the planes right over Fresh Meadows and over Flushing. Those loud screaming engines pushing against the wind!!
I do have some videos of landing on runway 31 on this channel!
@@PeterMasella I did the RNAV X 31 with a tailwind once, right before they turned the airport around. Very spicy.
The crj900 that was parking is Endeavor Air, Deltas wholly owned subsidiary.
Correct!
Y'know what I always wondered. Every governor for the past 20 years has talked about closing Rikers. But they never have. It would be great if they did, then extended Laguardia out to Rikers, hopefully extending its runway and building a new terminal in the process.
That would be nice!
how do you get the audio live for your flight? (I'm flying in August and would love to listen live)
Liveatc.net
Sounds like a little kid so excited
Hehe!
How do you listen to the atc feed from your specific cockpit? LiveATC doesn’t allow that.
I use LiveATC archives
Looks like LGA is turning into DCA-2
Very well done!!! Fly into COS and we’ll accommodate you, if you come in UA or OO.
Thanks!
Thanks for sharing this. I enjoyed your music selection. Could you please list the music used doing this video? Thanks.
Thanks! Music is listed In the description.
How can I see when climb path my flight will be using? I know it depends on weather but is there one they use more than others? Thanks
It really does depend. For example, when departing on runway 13 there are several climb outs that an aircraft today, however, before departure, I noticed that every aircraft was exclusively, flying the Whitestone Climb, so I was pretty confident we would be flying the Whitestone climb.
growing up, I lived Harlem on 134th street in a 20 story building in the 70s and 80s and the flight pattern into LGA was directly over my building. So much so that on rainy/foggy days, we would go to the roof, lay down and have the thrill of plane after plane flying directly over. The rook had rocks and some kids would toss them at the passing planes but I dont think anyone ever really came close. At some point (9/11) the pattern was switched ... what was that called if you know Peter? It's as if the planes would cross over Harlem, over the Harlem River, along the south Bronx right to runway 13 (with Rikers on your left). In 2008ish, i would take my four your old out to Queens and we would park by the last landing lights on 83rd street and she would lay on the roof as planes would land. Not a very "common" thing as after 9/11 it seemed most landing came from Westchester or over citifield over flushing bay
In the older days, LGA utilized the River Visual Runway 13 approach where arrivals would fly north on the Hudson then turn right around 125th Street and line up with runway 13. Apparently there was a pilot deviation on that route so it's rarely used anymore.
Peter, Your Video Was Knowable, Thoughtful and Informative and Very Entertaining 😊, A Big Thanks From A USAir and TWA, Former Employee 😀!
Many thanks!
How can you tell in advance what your climb will be? I live in Mississauga, Ontario, home to YYZ (Pearson International Airport), formerly Toronto International Airport, and the airplanes can take off or land on any runway in any direction, based on wind direction. Some parallel runway pairs are specialized for landings, or takeoffs, but the directions are based on wind. Am I wrong ? What am I missing about LGA ? Aarre Peltomaa of Mississauga, Ontario
I check the wind first and look to see which direction provides a headwind for both arrivals and departures.
Great video, how do you get such good ATC audio quality?
I use liveatc.net
I'm curious if you've ever flown out of John Wayne (SNA) on that steep southerly climb. During the climb, they cut back throttle to cut down noise over Newport Beach, so it's a bit of a ride.
I have not, but it sounds like fun!
At SNA my company's procedure is to reduce thrust from TOGA/FLEX to climb thrust at 800' above ground (usually it's 1,000') and climb at V2+10 until 3000' above ground (we usually also accelerate to 250 knots at 1,000'). It's a pretty steep climb at such a slow speed. There are noise sensors 4-5 miles off the runway ends so the climbs are as steep as possible to get away from them.
If I had to listen to you for another minute I would of opened the door on the plane and JUMPED !!!!!
There's something called post production
I've also done it many times.
Cool!
Peter: What do you call the climb from LGA directly toward Rikers Isl? Must do a video of that one - my favorite LGA departure!
I think you're talking about the standard climb from runway 31 with a right turn after takeoff.
@@PeterMasella Yes! I was seated starboard window, and that right bank after takeoff feels like I'm falling into Rikers lol! I think that's the 'LANNA' run, per your video about it. You were seated port side window, facing lower Manhattan in it.