Why I Don't Like Aloy In "Horizon Forbidden West"
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I blame the voice actress sounding like she’s about to cry 95% of the time and her lack of flaws
You blame the voice actress for the poor script writing ? Why ? You do know that she, the voice actress, has to follow the game director (Mathijs de Jonge)'s leading AND the script, yes ?
@@Azura2910arpg no I said I blame her for her boring monotonous voice
I think her personality is her biggest flaw though
This video nicely sums up my feelings towards her and why I haven't bothered to pick up the game. I loved the game play of the first game but found the characters and the story an absolute slog to get through and the constant portrayal of all the spiritual and religious characters being nuts and corrupt was aggravating. Meanwhile Alloy is the clear-headed, logical science-driven naturalist heroine of the piece. It's hard not to feel like the developers aren't beating you over the head with their world view. Alloy's pushiness and the way she forces herself on everyone in order to "do the right thing" reminds me a lot of Rey and other modern female characters these days. Hard pass for me.
Understandable. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! -Paeter
Kinda late but I feel the same way I never got around to like the story but the gameplay made me not really mind it I try to stay in touch with the story while playing the second one and it is but tedious I thank you for putting in words how I feel about the first game
i came here to see if anyone else felt the same about aloy… i’ve put probably 50 hours in forbidden west now and she is often needlessly rude to npcs lol
Thanks for watching! It will be interesting to see if she softens at all in the 3rd installment! -Paeter
I agree. IGN's review said the side missions were amazing so I completed them as much as I could and just got BURNT OUT, this game is busy, repetitive, and becomes boring fast. I couldn't finish the game. I later discovered I made it about 80 percent through so I should probably finish it but I just can't bring myself to do it! Man I thought I was alone!
Thanks for sharing your experience! I haven't written this one off, but I think I'll really have to be in the mood for what it offers to come back to it. -Paeter
Im not a religious person, but i 100% agree with what youve said. Like she treats every character like a child and is just an asshole. I just dont like playing as aloy. We could have gotten a new age greek hero story, but instead its just a modern day character surrounded by cavemen. Great vid dude
Thanks, I appreciate you giving my content a try! -Paeter
After my second playthrough is can not stop thinking about that a lot of stuff just worked out because of Varl. The guy was literally the group glue. He fetched Erend, he became friends with Zo, he took care of Beta....all the things Aloy does not like to bother with.
I wonder if that was intentional. It seemed like the story made a point of having Aloy develop some friendships and begin to rely on others more, which I appreciated to the degree they did it. -Paeter
I made it to the 11th hour and had to stop. Same reasons why I quit too. Sad, I really liked Zero Dawn and had high hopes for West.
Bummer to hear. Thanks for watching! -Paeter
I found that I didn't like her right off the bat in Zero Dawn. Her motivation to potentially abandon her loving father to find out about people in her past that aren't even around anymore is selfish, narcissistic, and neglectful. I couldn't sympathize with her on that journey one bit. Her father deserved a better daughter. :/
So true, Paeter! Really digging the content. Have you ever tried Persona 5 Royal? I really think it has some great messaging that you'd resonate with.
I've been curious about it, although I tend to have low tolerance for anime tropes and voice acting, and I've also heard there' an over-arching time limit for that game, which would stress me out. What's your take on those things? -Paeter
@@christiangeekcentral you won't like it probably, p5 is inherently a anime game it's bound to have tropes, it's also a very story heavy game and would take about 100 hours of time to beat casually, you're better off playing a rpg like Pokemon or Dragon Quest which aren't as high maintenance.
@@reiq6388 Thanks for the info, reiq! And actually I just started getting back into Dragon Quest 11 after a long break. Still reminds me of the things I really value in JRPGs!(Although I do keep the voice acting off.) -Paeter
I think Peter has much more grace toward Ubisoft than I do. I actually appreciate that a great deal, Peter it's clear that you carefully measure out and consider the characters and the story and context in a way I no longer do. I think I've reached a point with Ubisoft in which none of their characters, stories, settings, or content reveal to me anything other than an eagerness to mock or distort Christianity and I have discontinued purchasing any of their games starting from a number of years back.
I imagine you're not alone in that! They seem to have a very... interesting consistency in how they treat Christianity. -Paeter
She is more like superman in forbidden west. Aloy will ask what will it take(to get what she wants) then the person who apose her say if you do this impossible thing ill do what you want. She goes fine. Then to the person in her way she goes off. seemingly to her death. They don't know she has special knowledge and doing the thing is not impossible to her.
Alot changes in forbidden west and forms a team to help her with the new situation.
Interesting to hear! Thanks for your take on this! -Paeter
Varl formed a team....not Aloy....
I don't like the water level without weapons to use under water. I also hate climbing, just let me climb everywhere
Ooh, I didn't know you couldn't use weapons underwater. I definitely don't like the sound of that. Having flashbacks of getting past squids in Super Mario Bros! -Paeter
The dialogue was godawful. First game where I skipped most all dialogue. Looks good tho.
Zero Dawn has a better story
Just got my PS5. Unfortunately it was the bundle with this game an it's the only one they had in stock so I was forced to pay the extra $55. I genuinely wouldn't mind if they would let us trade it in for a different game "but it's a f******** code" . I'm waiting for my PS5 for update and play but tbh I'm not into Horizon at all. Never have been . Felt like the concept never made sense and the timeline is just goofy.. why tf am I shooting hi Teck robots with Caveman weapons. I played the first one for like 30 minutes and was so friggin bored I cut it off... Next month it gets "game of the year" like wtf lol whos in charge of this circus.. bring back "FABLE"
Oh man, sorry to hear that. I seem to find myself often not connecting with the things most people love. I hope you are able to enjoy something else on your new PS5 soon! -Paeter
There's similarity between Aloy and Michael Burnham in Star Trek Discovery. I have never played an AAA video game where I skip almost all of the cutscenes like HFW, especially the side missions. The main story's premises itself is kind of problematic for me, it is not as clear cut as the writer seems to want us to think it is, and it really is bothering. I still played like a good 300 hours on this game, mainly to upgrade all the legendary weapons. Once I completed all those, this game lost all its replayability values.
Yeah, I think I can see what you're talking about. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! -Paeter
Oof, realised that's definitely something to look out for in any media you engage in. Like that's exactly what happens in some fan fiction with "character bashing". Certain characters are written to be really horrible people so when bad stuff happens to them it feels justifiable or right. And I ironically watched an animated movie the other day where the "bad guys" I'm pretty sure were killed in the end:/.....yeah uh, what?!
So I think it's good to be aware when things are either unrealistic or when they very obviously model principles that oppose what we know is righteous. I think it's tricky because you want to engage in the media and enjoy it, but also be wise about it. You don't want the media to train you to have a bad perspective on people and things.
Another example is anime. The fact is, that is not how most people act, dress, look, talk or think. But because the media might have some aspect that attracts our attention, we don't always employ that separation between fantasy and reality.
I think that perhaps practising that vigilance and awareness and wisdom is the best way to go about it. So taking a moment before, during or after engaging with the media/entertainment to gauge, dissect and figure it out. Ask yourself how it might be affecting you, for better or worse. Discussing with others also probably helps get a second opinion cause there might be something(a flaw or highlight) that you missed.
Any other tips for being wise in this regard? God bless and all the best with the rest..
I think I'd echo what you said at the end about discussing it with others. You can also go in reverse order. Instead of considering what sins a piece of entertainment might be leading you to commit, start by looking at your sin (as you and those those closest to you see in you) and then taking inventory across your entertainment to consider what things might bolster that tendency.
I appreciate your thoughtfulness, Craig!
-Paeter
The only triple A game I skipped cutscenes
Loving the visuals and story of the game hut I'm going to have to quit soon. Aloy wont SHUT UP and insists on backseating every puzzle and narrating every part of the journey.
That's a bummer to hear. I might not mind her walking me through puzzles, since I hate them, but I don't think I'd put up with her other chatting as well. -Paeter
I agree with you. It feels like they don't even want you to figure out stuff for yourself. It feels like you're unable to think while playing that game.
You're in the same boat as me. I don't see me buying this game until Sony release a Game of The Year Edition. I got the base game free off of my ps plus account.
Sounds like that might be my plan, too! -Paeter
I'm really addicted to the game. Loved the first one and love this one even more.
Sweet! Enjoy! -Paeter
I hated Aloy because she was just sooooo boring!
I am a writer and she has zero depth. What you see on the surface is her, all the way to the core.
The decision to have her CONSTANTLY talk to herself was a bad one.
Ashley Burchs performance as Aloy is very bad.
I'll be impressed if you even finish AC Valhalla. The game is fun, but it turns into a repetitive slog. It felt like forever to finish the game. I played as female Eivor, and I liked her. She was tough.
I'm wondering how I will feel about it, but am optimistic, because I already checked EVERY box on the map in Origins and Odyssey. So I'll do the same here, except they are asking me to do a lot of it during the main playthrough, which is an adjustment. -Paeter
@@christiangeekcentral Yeah. I found AC Valhalla much more enjoyable while playing different games in between. As soon as I felt that I was getting bored, I switch off Valhalla and play something else. I needed to pace myself to get through the game.
No matter how much I love the game (still playing it today) I agree some aspects of her personality can be annoying and she can come off as an entitled prick. If the game had been self aware about this tendency, they would've included a dialog branch every time Aloy considers side quests that are so far removed from the urgency of the main story, where she basically says, "Sorry I have more important things to do (than to help a bunch of refugee cultists / than to find your senile dad / than to collect the seed pouches of your dead friends / than to play your stupid little board game / than to find parts for your stupid robot arm, Kotallo)."
Interesting observation! I finished the game a couple weeks ago and definitely noticed those "Fallout 4-ish" tendencies, too! -Paeter
I have to disagree with this. Aloy's biggest character flaw is doing her lone wolf thing, which is heavily criticised by Erend, Varl, Petra etc. in the beginning of the game. From Aloy's POV, only one person understands the gravity of the situation, that is Sylens, who didn't tell squat about his plan to defeat the enemy, because he knows Aloy would not go along with it. Add in the fact the she is physically the only person who can restore GAIA (gene locked doors and stuff), she feels insane amount of responsibility. I thin Forbidden West did a great job of calling out Aloy's flaws and developed her character better, even more so than the Zero dawn
Thanks for your take on this! I've heard from others that Aloy has a character-improvement arc in Forbidden West, which is cool to hear and makes it a little more likely I'll eventually get around to this one. -Paeter
ok good to know... i may pick up the game again later... but for now, she was so annoying, pedantic i just couldn't stand her and dropped the game... she made me eye roll so much i could see the back of my skull...
i dumped the game for the same reasons... i really wanted to enjoy the game because i really liked the first one, both the story and Aloy, but in this one she is unbearable to listen to, her attitude is so annoying that i just couldn't stand her... she is so full of herself, and bossy, pedantic and "know-it-all!... also the side characters were kinda annoying too and the story was boring.
I eventually enjoyed finishing this one. Although I'm not sure if Aloy became more tolerable or I became more tolerant of her! Either way, it was the gameplay and world that engaged me the most, and my curiosity about where the overall story and lore were headed. -Paeter
@@christiangeekcentral thnks… I guess I can just skip cutscenes lol… but now I picked up Sekiro and I’m too engaged to drop it.
What I hate the most is people comparing this games open world is just like that games open world. Base you opinion on the games own merits.
I’ve played well over 100 hours of both games. Her constant talking to herself game mechanic is what finally drove me away. Meaningless dialogue sequences zzz. The best part is the archery which they nearly screwed up with the new skill trees that have 80% useless skills. Keep it simple.
Unsubscribed! Totally kidding. I am absolutely adoring forbidden West on PS5 though
Sweet! As I said, I do imagine I will get back to it and enjoy a lot of it eventually! -Paeter
The gameplay and graphics carry this game. I cannot get behind the story, characters, and Aloy’s incessant pissy attitude.
Yeah, I think I'm largely with you on that. The story has some conceptual elements that keep me curious. And as I got further in the game I either tolerated Aloy more or she had fewer moments of being arrogantly intolerant herself, but world design, visuals and gameplay are the big pull for me. -Paeter
I played it last night. I paid full price for it & the deeper I got into the game the more I began to not like. It’s Aloy , like you I just don’t like her. They made her too masculine looking & masculine acting . She’s not cute & just not that interesting.
Sorry to hear that. I recently just finished the game actually, having restarted it about a month ago. I found that Aloy was less grating to me as I got further in, although I never came to a point of "liking" her, just sort of accepting her as the vehicle for the story. I still enjoyed the progressive reveals of earth's history, though, and wish there had been a LOT more of that stuff! -Paeter
Aloy was mistreated as an outcast since she was a child. We can't really blame her for being arrogant and a lone wolf most of the time. Her childhood shapes her character.
Her childhood is definitely a major contributor, and that makes her issues understandable given what she has been through. But I also believe we are more than cause-and-effect machines, and that we each ultimately make our own choices. So if she were a real person, *I* would not feel in a good position to blame her for being arrogant. But I think she would still be responsible for a degree of how she allowed her circumstances to shape her. These are the kinds of complex judgments I'm happy to leave to God when it comes to real people. -Paeter
@@christiangeekcentral i agree man, Thanks for your perspective :)
Yeah but what's the point of her past defining her if we can choose to be kind, to be bad or to be rational with people? Also, her attitude to me feels like she is pretty intense about herself feeling as the only world savior that os absolutely perfect.
I can't get that from a main character tbh.
She constantly feels pretty intense and overwhelming.
In the FIRST game only. Why the hell does she act like a jerk to everyone in the sequel when she has become a sort of Goddess that everyone simps for?
No you haven't played Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden west. I Loved Horizon Zero Dawn and Horizon Forbidden west is what a squeal supposed to be. You will buy Horizon Forbidden West after you played it for 5 hours on the PS5?. If Aloy was male would that be an issue? Aloy is a fictional character is a video game.
She looks masculine & acts masculine so she might as well be a Male Character.
I loved her in zero dawn... she was a nice female lead, and had some feminine attributes that made her special... but in Forbidden west, she is just so annoying and pedantic, its her attitude, idk, like one of those over the top entitled feminist that think that being strong means being an asshole... she had this bitchy, know-it-all, self-rightous attitude all the time, it was just so cringe and annoying.... i dont care if she is male or female...