Yeah the devs are dedicated. The game is just super polished, optimized really well given how it plays on the OG ps4. They took all the gripes of zero dawn and improved on it. Not to mention the post launch patches/bug fixes. To complain about this game is pretty much looking a gift horse in the mouth. If you’re a fan of the series, you know how good it is. Otherwise, you’re just another hater…
As someone who absolutely loves zero dawn, someone who adored the story was amazed by the gameplay and inspired by the world, I think forbidden west was amazing seeing these new tribes and the story progressing foward in an incredibly satisfying way and [LIGHT SPOILER] cant wait to see what nemesis bring to the table
I think there are enough improvement in HFW like gliding, swimming, alternate weapon attack, signifant graphical leap, valor surges,combat arenas, new enemies required diferrent approach like wing of dreads that can disable Alloy's focus,lots of new controls customization (for good reasons) that justify HFW is different enough from its predecessor
I think these are more minor enhancements rather than actual evolution of its gameplay. And some aspects don’t add a whole lot to it (the gliding is really only useful to break your fall rather than being a tool for traversal). Don’t get me wrong I still enjoy the hell out of of the game but I think HFW is an extension of zero dawn rather than a sequel that feels distinct and unique. But I also don’t think that’s a bad thing either
@@SuperThisWay I mean just cuz it’s a sequel doesn’t mean it should play differently. Look at GOW Ragnarok, it almost looks the same as GOW2018 but better and more. The same with HZD and HFW. Look at Uncharted games, they play very similarly to one another but slowly it progresses into again, bigger/better/more.
@@CP-uw4ts Needs to die because it's not hard enough for some online gaming elitists? Lol, sure. Just play Dark Souls exclusively if you only want to stroke your gaming ego when you play.
The third installment will be massively better. This was a safe gamble, and a great learning experience for them. I enjoyed the Brutality of this game. I believe in this studio. 😉
For me HFW improved on a lot of things that HZD didn’t have since it was the first game. It happens with a lot of games. The only thing HZD has over HFW is the initial sense of wonder since no one had seen it before. I still remember the feeling I got when I first started playing HZD and it’s not something that a sequel can produce naturally.
Additionally no one seems to want to talk about the changes that allow for far more varied playstyles compared HZD, now you can specialize in melee(to some extent), trap based gameplay, bow gameplay, and the new way of using shredders. Back in HZD it was freeze machine, triple nock sharpshot bow, hit weak point, Profit.
I just finished the game and I absolutely love it! Here's the thing. Games don't need mechanics that you never seen before. There are open world games, there are games with melee/bow and arrow combat, there are games with robots, there are games where you can craft, upgrade stuff, fly, swim etc. But there isn't a game that combines all these things in this specific way. What I'm trying to say is that games rely on more than just "new" mechanics. For example, there is a ton of metroidvania games, then why do people (including myself) love Hollow Knight so much? I doesn't offer anything new. I loved Zero Dawn and I love Forbidden West, and I want more games just like this so I'm afraid if the developers change the future game too much then it may lose the thing that people liked so much in the previous games. Sorry for the long comment I just thought this is the best place to share my opinion on this. Great video btw! :)
Thank you lazy lemon! and no worries on the long comment I appreciate it. I still love HFW and yeah even though it doesn't feel "new" or different from the other open world games but that's okay cause the game is still good af.
@@HugoStiglitz88 maybe not dumb, I think innovation is great! Its just about not changing something which is already good itself, and just create something completely different instead
I noticed this with my current playthrough of Zero Dawn. The game does so much right, but it released probably within one of the worst timewindows. It's also a pretty rough game get through if you're tired of the current political climate/culture. It was fresh in 2017, but in 2022, you just feel so done with it. Ironically, I had no issues playing through the Frozen Wilds DLC which gives you exactly what you want, another Cauldron, more robot fights, and very few human encounters (one whole bandit camp).
I really don’t get what people have against this game .It really works for them the game plays very well .They did a good a job on carrying on with the story it’s smooth .
I think that is the problem tho. The game plays well, the story is cool, it’s a very good game. But it’s yet another open world game. It doesn’t do anything wrong but if your gonna make an open world game that gets people attention these days it has to be something great. It doesn’t bring anything new to the table AND it came out right next to what a lot of people consider the new standard of open world games in elden ring. You can’t make a really good game and release it next to elden ring. You have to make something incredible. I think a lot of people played elden ring first because of how hyped it was and then when they went back to play forbidden west and saw the same old open world mold that elden ring had broken.
@@danw3441 elden ring is basically a reskinned dark souls 3 with a cut and pasted ubisoft open world. Yet fanboys like you act like it was the greatest thing mankind has created since sliced bread. The same reskinned dragons everywhere across the map, reused bosses in open world and those stupid dungeons, dont even get me started on that snow area towards the end of the game!! Bland and empty with nothing going on
20 hours in. "Generic masterpiece" is a wonderful description. This game is masterful in its execution of very, very standard mechanics. Nothing groundbreaking but nothing bad either.
I like to think of Forbidden West as the vision of Horizon Zero Dawn, fully realized. I honestly don’t get why everybody feels it’s like a DLC (imho it doesn’t play like HZD), but to each their own.
Bro everything is already done. We’re at that point in technological/conceptual evolution where nothing is truly innovative. For us to find something new, we would have to reset our brains and find everything exciting again.
This video from a creator with only 2 other video essays before this one, is the best review of this game I’ve seen. I’ve felt pretty much every reviewer criticize this game for being nothing new, specially compared to Elden Ring which came out like a week later. You are the first person that has vocalized exactly what this game is. I don’t know how anyone could have played this game and not think it’s a masterpiece. The game may not do anything new but what it does, it does it better than 99% of games out there. Thank you for acknowledging this game and I hope the developers don’t feel discouraged by the overwhelming lack of support from other reviewers.
Finished the main story today after about 30 hours. Tomorrow first thing I’m doing is creating a new game plus and replaying the whole game again but this time going for 100% for the first time ever. And hopefully get my first plat trophy ever
I ain’t gonna lie man I was very immersed in this game and I thoroughly enjoyed the story I was obsessed with HZDs story and the same for this game I agree with some of your points and I can see the little nitpick things that people do complain about with the game but there’s many many nitpicks I have with other masterpieces games like Witcher 3 and Zelda but the pros outweighs the cons for me. I enjoyed your review of this and ya earned a sub from ya boy
The hate Forbidden West recieved its only really due to Elden Ring fanboys/PlayStation haters not wanting to accept how excelent the game is, by far the most excellent open world game Ive played.
I have played both games..... And I can't say the same. Believe me, I used to hate how ER took over the competition, but then, I played it. They cannot be compared.
@@William-Sunderland Well, I hadn't played another Soulsborne game before, so, maybe it's just because it's my first. Still. The exploration feels....it feels like the way exploration actually used to feel in Horizon Zero Dawn. 😕 When you didn't know anything. Except all the time. Maybe the problem with Forbidden West is that I already get it all. Was that why they put the Immortals bit? That plot is weird.
Forbidden West is basically what many shows suffer from in their second seasons respectively. It had to deal with the intimidating task of following up its first groundbreaking game by expanding the world further, only to come out with a story that is slightly less compared to the story of its predecessor. Usually after that, however, the third game can pick it back up. Don't fail us, Guerilla.
More of the same is what was great about HFW for me. Some of the puzzles and viewpoints changed in ways that sucked but the rest was more of what I wanted. What really worked for me was the story. We knew that it would be a lot of Aloy trying to rebuild GAIA and discover what awoke HADES. But the story added absurd elements that were interesting and still realistic enough within the world of the game. It kept me going because the bizarre elements kept me wondering, "Will this go over the line of absurd, or are they perfectly walking it?" For me, it was a little absurd, but in a good way. I genuinely look forward to the third game because it's set up just enough but still leaves me wondering of how it'll go.
What made HZD a memorable game for me was the mysterious aspect of the story and how their world came to be. i think for the third game it’s best to keep things mysterious to make it more interesting. For example, simply removing the list of placeholders for the unknown machines makes me keep guessing as to how many machines could be out there that I haven’t discovered yet. Making the puzzles harder in the sense that there could be multiple ways to solve them, just like the real world, would be interesting as well. They should learn from Elden Ring in keeping thing in the dark unless you purposefully go out there and try to discover them, instead of spoon feeding the quest content and puzzles to you.
The problem with professional game reviews is that they are always from the perspective of a professional game reviewer. I play occasionally only binging games every year or two. For me every new game is a new adventure, and the similarities with older titles is what I look forward to.
This is a fair criticism of people who play a lot of games. I try to be unbiased (whatever that means) which is why I think HFW is a great game but it is lacking in that feeling of “unique” as far as open world games are concerned. But yeah if you don’t play a lot of games or are picky about the kinds of games to play, HFW would definitely be right up your alley
Good points. A part of some combat mechanics all open world are so similar in its design that makes u wonder why even a sequal is necessery. The rumours that they are going to do a remake of zero dawn after forbidden west is just mindboggling.
For me what I like is the world of the game, The background stuff I really like, I actually read the datapoints, I like what happened to the world, it felt fresh and new
People want newness for the sake of newness due to their own selfish boredom. New is overrated. I greatly appreciate when developers attempt to perfect their ideas rather than throwing a bunch of new ones in and hope they work. Foundations are extremely important and when that foundation is really good, it should be expanded upon not reinventing.
Yeah this gets to what I was trying to say. Guerrilla games did a great job with the original and this sequel so I can’t complain about the lack of “newness”
The only thing I want that is new gameplay wise for the next game is a shield or less end lag on melee combat against machines, as of currently unless you distract the machine or perfectly time attacks, you won't even be able to get a light attack in without being hit, much less a whole combo.
I loved HZD and HFW ... but you're not really wrong. Horizon isn't reinventing anything, but it's the standard open-world formula done very well. I loved BOTW too, but it's hard for me to say it's better. Yeah, BOTW has a much more open sense of exploration and freedom. But really, BOTW's story is kind of mediocre and barely exists for most of the game, its NPCs are fun but basic, and what little voice acting it has is not great. (Which is fine-it's a Zelda game.) On the other hand, I was super into HZD's story, and I liked HFW's twist as well as the emphasis on NPC companions, both with an all-around great voice cast. Zelda and Horizon are just very different games with very different goals. I also think my personal experience of HZD/FW was helped a lot by the fact that they were the first real open-world games I'd happened to play. So I guess it was all new and amazing to me :).
I really agree with your analysis. It didn't break ground persay but it was a really fun game and by the far the most beautiful I played on the PS5 so far. I really enjoyed playing the first game and when I played this one the whole time I was in awe of the world even if at times I wished exploration was more like BOTW. The story wasn't perfect but the facial animations and conversations were such an improvement from the first game. Definitely worth people's time.
Loved the review, of course it needs to be said that the game has some of the most beautiful graphics and best crafted videogame characters ever. I mean, on close-up you can see the tiny hairs on skin real humans have ! Its insane how much detail the devolopers have put into this.
Where I think Forbidden West failed was with its story. Everything about the Zeniths rubbed me the wrong way. The whole Beta character arc left me feeling totally indifferent. And the biggest wasted opportunity for this game was what they did with Ted Faro. He’s a character we would all love to hate, and he would’ve been the perfect antagonist to set up for the third game. What were they even thinking??
I up voted just because of the title. It is the best summation of what so many have been saying about the game. It also gives the game credit even as it criticizes it. It IS a very very good game. It is just not *interesting* enough on a game design level. I'd love to see how they can iterate on their systems though.
OH! The main reason of why HFW is the best open world game ever - there is a game state for once you beat the final boss! I get why most open world games reset to right before you beat the final boss, but it's so damn irritating. Let my game show that I actually bear Ganon!
One hope I have for this game. have it ported to PC I don't have a console I probably won't get console but I love the original and I want it ported to PC so I can play it
What I dont like that much is that most side quests play out very similarly. Most of the time people want you to return someone or something to them you follow tracks and at some point machines show up and you beat them up. Also grinding for the best gear is just insanity. Opinion on the rest: Main story was alright but not amazing imo. Combat is like the first game with a couple more toys but the combat system was already good in the first place so no complaints there. Aloys friends are definitely lacking some substance as they dont feel that important despite the whole thing with establishing the base and stuff. The world itself on the other hand is beautiful. That was already a strength of the first game alongside an awesome soundtrack. All in all I really like the game. The weaknesses are not that present and the setting and world do good job packing the whole experience up nicely. The game gives you not much chances to get your mind blown but does an at least decent job at most aspects. ( kind of what the video is pointing out.) For someone like me, who doesnt need fancy mind blowing stuff in the ways of gameplay it offers everything I could hope for.
This game is what I feel Zero Dawn wanted to be but due to it being a new IP they didn't go too crazy with that one but this one they really put it out there.
Forbidden West is a good game. It is beautiful and it is fun. But it is not game of the year quality. The story just was not very good. At least not compared to zero Dawn.
That's fair. I think the story is at minimum serviceable and at best a solid follow up to Zero Dawn. But I do think it has goty quality due to just being a good game overall
When I first saw this game in the trailer, i thought it looked good. When it went on sale for $15, I decided to give it a try. Thought it was a good game but confusing and the dialogue and story was all over the place. I was only able to understand it at the end. The characters are also very forgettable to me. I haven’t played forbidden west yet, maybe i’ll try it again when they make it go lower than 20 or find it in the bin somewhere to see what they improved on. Edit: I forgot that I played the game trial and the only thing i’ve gotten was that it had good graphics and was optimized well for ps5. Honestly they should’ve made this a ps5 only game and release it this year and I believe it would get it’s accolades that it wants.
The Horizon games are massively underrated. They're very standard AAA open world games, but they very polished and well crafted standard AAA open world games, with of course best in class graphics to boot. The problem is the just CANNOT STOP releasing these games within a month of 100% genre re-defining open world games, lmfao. First with Breath of the Wild and then with Elden Ring.
lol yeah that’s the trap with Horizon’s releases so far. I really enjoy zero dawn and forbidden west and can’t wait for the next one whatever that looks like
I dont mind the fact that it's basically a copy of the first game, I loved the gameplay of the original and tbh id be angrier if they changed it. I view the game as a more story driven experience rather than a purely gameplay based one, and for that reason I saw the second game as a continuation of the story, basically more of the same game, and I loved that
Horizon kept getting over shadow by other game when they both came out on a side note this game would be even better if they added a far cry style co-op mode
I hope this game gets a bit more recognition since it does deserve it. Hope people do not just vote for ER goty based on the popularity of it, but really compares the candidates, but one can only hope so
I think people bashing this game for not doing anything new and then praising Elden Ring, which is just Dark Souls in an open world, a premise which has been replicated many times over anyway, just not for Dark souls specifically, makes no sense.
It all comes down to is feeling. Yeah all games more or less borrow from each other but the "feeling" of the game being unique is what people generally mean. HFW does do a lot what other open world games does but it doesn't necessarily make itself totally unique. Elden Ring is open world dark souls yeah but for people, there's something that clicked or made that game feel special. For me, I do love HFW. I thought it was a great game but it also doesn't feel too unique but that's okay too cause it's a super polished game
@@SuperThisWay Horizon's combat is one of the most unique in recent years. Forbidden West itself doesn't change this but that still sets it apart from most games releasing. I think what makes it fly under a lot of people's radars is the fact that, *on surface level*, it is just another open world game. One that gives the player as much or as little information as they want about how to proceed. But contrast that with Elden Ring, which forces that design mentality on the player, and suddenly it's regarded as a more unique experience. I think it's all about perception. I'm not saying i prefer one or the other but HFW feels more "unique" *to me* because i try to see past its open world formalities. I don't know of any other game with a similar combat system and most other franchises are exploring the tired medieval setting while HFW is taping into a post-post apocalyptic scenario we rarely see. Sure, it's executed within an oprn world formula we've seen too much of but i think that execution elevates the game compared to other open world releases of late. But hey, i don't want to sound like i hate Elden Ring, it's a great game. But to act like it isn't mostly more of the same is a bit disingenuous. Because there's nothing wrong with that.
@@sonicadv27 oh yeah for sure about the perception being skewed. That’s what I was getting at in regards to how people view HFW. I also don’t think it helped that Horizon and Elden Ring were released like a week or so apart (similarly with zero dawn and Breath of the wild), so people had a very quick and obvious thing to compare. I view HFW as an amazing game that has amazing mechanics and the best graphics of any game released last year. But I also like Elden Ring more bc I had a more fun
Dont know why u said its doesnt not allow u to do things however u want cause it is whats excels in this game, im sure noone fight the machine the same way there is tons of option in how u do the mision in fact i hve play it 3 time n never done the mision the same way
The comparison to other open world games is right, but I don't think calling something generic is a fair criticism. It's only an issue if you're someone playing every single open world game out there like critics do, but the correct assessment from that should only be how the game compares to other versions of the genre. Moreover as a consumer, folks should learn to skip games, or quit if they're just trudging through a game that's only mildly entertaining. Makes it so the best iterations of the genre hits better. You don't have to play every single Assassins Creed, or Far Cry, or what have you. FOMO is a sentiment that gets taken advantage of in the gaming industry.
Generic doesn’t equal bad. Generic just means that it’s not unique or specifically different from other games. Yeah yeah HFW is a unique game cause of its setting and robot dinosaurs. I just mean generic in that it’s open world gameplay and mechanics are similar to many other open world games. As someone who has played a lot of other games, I felt that generic feeling but I think HFW does what it does so well even if the feeling of playing the game is that it’s not unique or new
If I could only ask for one change in the third game, please please please, no more greenshine. I'm tired of greenshine, there's too much of it. There was even an amazing quest that introduced a cool mechanic just to earn you MORE GREENSHINE.
This is a very interesting video. I totally agree to the extent that I'm actually worried about the future of videogames as a medium. The market is being flooded with games that would have stopped the world turning 5 years ago. They're all perfect, but not special. "Girlfriend reviews" illustrated it nicely by asking themselves; "explain the story of forbidden west". I enjoyed the game very much, and have no critiques...but it seems like "perfection" is becoming a dime a dozen. I'm exploring VR more because there is more room for innovation, I'm just worried that games, as a medium might head the same way as movies...
They expanded in some way but took a step back in other ways. The open world feels more alive, The activites like machine strike are good. The side quests have much more polish and Higher production vaule. how ever things like Drones to take done really feel like Half assed filler. The side quests while good are pretty repetitve They follow the Witcher 3 Quest design of follow a track But the difference here that 95 percent of them end with a Machine Fight. The writting is Not Witcher 3 level and there are No quests that really branch or give you Different way to solve them Like In Kingdom Come. The World is alive but not as Alive or reactive and interactive as something like RDR2. The Exporation and discovery could be so much better for Game like This Compared with, Skyrim, Fallout3, RDR2, Witcher 3 and Elden Ring. This game is graphics Masterpiece and has set the bar for facial aminations. Its game that should really be a GOTY title But the Writting really falls apart and the open world while good could be so much better. combat is soild but enemies are take to many hits compared with the first. The horse riding feels stiff and the climbing really feels lacking, even though you can climb more the game is not better for it. The first game really stood out with its setting and was memorable but this game feels forgetable. Dont think this game in few years will be looked back on in the same way HZD has been.
There has to be a way to reason with Hephaestus. At this point, it will be 100% its capacity, meaning Gaia will not be able to merge with Heph at all no matter if she acquired the other sub functions. Heph has the blueprints to the printing facility at the Zenith base meaning it can now print machines at an incredible rate… Heph is unstoppable now, but I want to believe there is a way to reason with Heph. There has to be some good in it.
I loved Zero Dawn but didn’t even finish West. It just seemed like the same thing with a few upgrades. The story and characters were bland. Zero interesting moments with the characters. No conflicts. Literally everyone loves Aloy and just does exactly what she says and there’s no interesting conflict or friction between the characters. Just kind of boring which is sad after waiting years.
Yeah it was too generic for me. Like, it's good, but I finished like a month ago and I'm already forgetting most of its story and characters. Combat was great, and graphics are pretty... and that's it. I liked HZD a lot more. Also, aloy in this game is just... bad IMO.
a lot of people feel the same way about Ragnarok. it may be an improvement upon GoW 2018 but it's nowhere near as groundbreaking as that game felt so it almost comes across a little disappointing, even though Ragnarok is an incredible game regardless
Yeah I mentioned about how games are reaching that point where it’s hard to “feel” new especially since games like HFW and GoWR are stilling getting released on last gen consoles
I respectfully disagree that the paraglider "isn't really useful". I would be down for the dlc campaign to have Talanah as the player instead of Aloy :)
The paraglider was cool but it kinda only gets used to break your fall or get through a short distance. It didn’t feel like a true tool to traverse the landscape with
this game manages to be both enjoyable and insanely fucking irritating at the same time. half the irritation comes from aloy being a horrible main character. she was alright in zero dawn; i wanted to like her, in forbidden west she was plain annoying and unlikable. the combat either works or just doesnt. aloy gets stuck on shit, the camera freaks out, she gets hit by ANYTHING and is stunned for a solid 5 seconds, which results in you being chain stunned until she dies. the cauldrons are dull at best, the puzzles somehow manage to be easy yet strangely cryptic and frustrating because they take away half of aloys skills to make them work. i had the most fun with this game just exploring the beautiful world and ignoring quests and fighting whatever i come across. the difficulty makes no sense, i played it on the harder difficulties for a long time and the difficulty itself is FINE, but the fact that you get jackshit for drops in hard mode makes zero sense. the machines are tankier, thus your fights last longer and you require more resources, and in return you get LESS? upgrading shit is already an endless (and pointless) grind. no thank you lmao i really do hate this game mostly because it easily could have been much greater than it is.
king of the hill? I played horizon pretty much on regular basis since launch, forbidden west is better in every way and still same flaws pretty much. zelda I played like 3 times without getting stuck in it:( you are not me..
One thing to illustrate something (and I'm kind because you don't really deserve this comment, just a little bit): you can disable the looting animation in the settings. Why the heck should a game (first of its franchise or even the sequel) re-invent a genre? I don't want it to be that innovative. I want to get high quality for my money, not a new experiment I won't enjoy. It's like you (and many others) criticise a car because it still has four wheels and steering wheel and front&back lamps and windshields and horn and and and. Sorry, please go on.
Yeah yeah I got my fair share of comments about the looting animation tho tbf that was in an update. And as far as the sequel criticism, I said in the video that even tho HFW didn’t reinvent the wheel, it didn’t matter cause it was still fun af. There’s even a line in the video stating “even if this game is nothing new, HFW is a complete package.” That’s a pretty high compliment for this game! I think it’s totally okay to criticize about if a game is or isn’t introducing new concepts or mechanics. I also think it’s totally okay to enjoy this game even if it plays very similarly to many other games. This game rules and I think a lot of people are totally getting hung up on the “generic” part of the title when they completely missed the “masterpiece” part. This is a great game. Yeah some people are not gonna be totally into it cause they’ve played something similar many times before but I still think this is a great game
@@SuperThisWay :) Just having a conversation. I see it everywhere. I really wonder where this bullshit come from: that "this game has nothing new" or "has no new mechanics"? Who thought that, in an action-RPG, anyone would need new mechanics? I don't need new mechanics. New mechanics would piss me off. I need THESE mechanics. • Don't drop crafting. Crafting is a simplified form of the thing of "MAKING THINGS" from real life. • Don't drops the skill tree system. Skill tree system is a simplified form of "CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT" from real life. • Drop what? Fight? Weapons? Long and short range? What should they re-invent?! 🤦♂ Okay, re-invention: make 4D games. It's fun. 4D action-RPG. You will hate it. Great! 40 million dollars into a game everybody hates. 👏👏👏 (Okay, that's HZD's budget if I'm not wrong.) So it's a bullshit criticism what is based on some reinvention aspects. It's like we criticised every single movie with that "it gives nothing new but makes things better", by the way, Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back was a refined and extended version of New Hope. It may surprise you. They made the terrain better, in Horizon Forbidden West. They made the weather system better. They made the lighting better. They made the water better. They made the music better (or, different, still the best). They made the mocap and face-cap better. Made the story-telling better. They made everything better, and continued the story. What's the problem with it? Who needs anything else?! Btw, what I really palm my face out, is that Zelda thing. I can't get that game seriously. It's like the early pitch version of Horizon Zero Dawn. A joke, it's like some high school talented developer kids had enough time and money for making something. What about that thing's re-inventions? Never mind, I'm just mumbling. 😂 🤦♂
Hahaha my issue with it was that there wasn’t that much incentive to use it. The glider goes down a little too fast to use it to traverse long distances. I also didn’t really climb up mountains too much most cause climbing was still a little bit of a hassle
@@SuperThisWay yeah I agree that sometimes the glider would go down too fast, the odd thing is that I found that the "drop rate" wasn't consistent, sometimes it would go straight down and sometimes it would let me fly quite a bit. I think I see what you mean if you compare it with the glider in BotW which was much more integrated into the gameplay. But I still used the glider A LOT lol On climbing I personally didn't find it to be a hassle, the mechanics could certainly be refined a bit but overall they were fine. Also I found that you could "climb" most surfaces, even not climbable ones, by spamming X and sometimes O. I was able to climb most mountains by doing that lol
Did you finish the game? Your map is far from complete. Respect your opinion, but I just beat this game it it’s definitely one of my all time favorites. It’s not an, “experimental game”, it’s an “Experience”. I feel like most pessimistic reviews like this always come from those who don’t know what a generic game is. In my opinion, Forbidden West was way better the Zelda’s Breath of the Wild and most other open world RPGs.
Idk if you watched the video but I really enjoyed HFW and I said it’s a game of the year candidate. I even defended HFW as a game that while it is generic in the features and mechanics, its still a great game. I wouldn’t say it’s better than BotW or other games but I do think HFW is still a great game
I played Zero Dawn, and then went to Forbidden West,and had plenty of fun starting it.... Not so much by the middle, and then, after finishing the game and doing a little more side stuff, I just uninstalled it. There were new things, just not enough, and most I either didn't really wish for or didn't like. For example, that weird thing that happens with your mount whenever you get within fifty feet of a settlement. Or how you need to get extra parts to complete overrides, meaning alot of useless farming. Or the dozen or so new abilities, to counter the bull### amount of Apexes, which are all just tank versions of normal machines which you cam never override. And they're everywhere. You might not even find a single member of their packs to override, in many occasions. Your farming is even more useless. The side content is very good at the start, and kept me motivated, but the story..... The story is a heap of confused ### by the end of it. I can't stress this further. Immortals? Giant AI composed of narcissistic human minds coming from outer space? Billionaires escaping our planet for greener shores? OK, that last part is more believable, but the logical result would be failure, even if they hadn't exploded on launch like they said in the Old game. You know how far that planet is? Of course, the solution is Immortality juice! The villains are not compelling in the slightest. I'd prefer Hades to these folks any day, and he's a talking computer with charisma levels of below zero. Elden Ring...... I ain't even gonna talk about Elden Ring. If you've played it, you probably know what I'm gonna say. I thought I knew open world games, and then I played this. Maybe it's because i had never played a Souls game, but I think, with respect, that Horizon as a franchise is a drop in the bucket compared to this game. It isn't fair to compare them. Guerrilla Games is a company with big and very good aspirations, but they're just starting this franchise. It ain't fair to compare Forbidden West to the Heir of years of Soulsborne art in gaming, coalesced into a single package and made into even more. That is pure insanity.
I thought the story was serviceable BUT they struggle making both the A and B stories compelling (the Gaia/sci-fi stuff vs the present tribes conflict). Idk I thought this new gods as villains concept was pretty neat but like they didn’t really get much screen time for me to care or feel threatened by them. And don’t worry, I got an elden ring video in the works :)
@@SuperThisWay Yeah, but the thing is, I think the part about sci fi God men rich as ### broke a fundamental part of what made Horizon's story so compelling. Do you know the funniest thing about Ted Faro? He isn't some mad genius. No big villain. He was a college washout with the biggest mound of cash in the world and the arrogance to think that made him smarter than actual experts in what he did. He was greedy, selfish, deflecting, but most of all, he was disgustingly human. So much so, you could actually imagine him as a real person out there, a rich fool just waiting to introduce some grand new ###y idea to the world. Sound familiar? The way the Zeniths are presented, as all-powerful beings with not a single care in the world ready to just clean out their fellow men like rats in the kitchen. That's not what we're looking for. Even Tilda is an F-grade yandere of some sort who just wants a new sex toy in the shape of her former girlfriend. And let's not talk about Nemesis. The whole concept just....it boggles my mind. An advanced AI built out of human minds, which is somehow both advanced and suffering from actual psychosis,as in in the medical designation, because it keeps hearing their ### all the time in it's mind. Remember when we just had Hades? Hades was just a computer program. He was doing his job. Perfectly well, in fact. The only problem he had is that he had no such thing as context as to why he's doing this. He's a computer program. Programs don't have or need context. That's what's so perfect about him as a true AI villain. He's just that, an AI, not good ol' Skynet. A symptom of a broken system that may not even be sentient, and yet one that looks like some God of destruction to the people of the current world. The secret sauce to Horizon's story, like the best stories, had only three ingredients. Heart, mystery, and irony. Copious doses of sweet, sweet irony. We lost at least the last two of those three. Looking forward to your video on Elden Ring. What did you think of it?
@@bryb2644 OK..... I know we started by hunting robotic animals in the postapocalyptic United States, but this... This is a little too much. Sorry to sound old-fashioned, but what you're describing is not Horizon.
The criticism stems from how open world games generally “feel” the same and have very similar mechanics (conquering tall structures would fill a portion of the map, side quests are all the “same,” etc). I don’t think HFW is a bad game bc it’s like many other open world games but it has a generic feeling to it. HFW is a great game even if it’s generic
Unpopular opinion but I really didn't like how they portrayed Aloy in this game, she comes off as unlikable and unrelatable compared to the first game. She's cold to pretty much everyone around her and seems annoyed the moment someone or even a friend tries to talk to her. She also complains about everything while talking to herself. In the first game she was interested in building relationships with other people since she was an outcast for the majority of her life, and in this game she pushes everyone away with the blatant "strong woman" attitude. I really don't like how everyone, especially the men, seem so damn incompetent compared to Aloy.
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Forbidden West didn’t invent anything new to the open world genre but it didn’t have to as every aspect of it was beautifully crafted.
@No Name how about you have your opinion, but just because you think it’s bad maybe it might just be you but not the game
Yeah the devs are dedicated. The game is just super polished, optimized really well given how it plays on the OG ps4. They took all the gripes of zero dawn and improved on it. Not to mention the post launch patches/bug fixes. To complain about this game is pretty much looking a gift horse in the mouth. If you’re a fan of the series, you know how good it is. Otherwise, you’re just another hater…
As dunkey said, this genre of open world games needs to die.
@@wyatt1476 BOTW and elden ring are way better than not just this game, but all open world Ubisoft style games.
@No Name "characters suck and story sucks", damn what satisfies you? It's one of the best story games with many people playing it for THE STORY.
As someone who absolutely loves zero dawn, someone who adored the story was amazed by the gameplay and inspired by the world, I think forbidden west was amazing seeing these new tribes and the story progressing foward in an incredibly satisfying way and [LIGHT SPOILER] cant wait to see what nemesis bring to the table
Yes me too! I really liked how the story is unfolding and wonder how it’s gonna get wrapped up
I don’t like that every quest is follow the line/use focus mode
I think there are enough improvement in HFW like gliding, swimming, alternate weapon attack, signifant graphical leap, valor surges,combat arenas, new enemies required diferrent approach like wing of dreads that can disable Alloy's focus,lots of new controls customization (for good reasons) that justify HFW is different enough from its predecessor
I think these are more minor enhancements rather than actual evolution of its gameplay. And some aspects don’t add a whole lot to it (the gliding is really only useful to break your fall rather than being a tool for traversal). Don’t get me wrong I still enjoy the hell out of of the game but I think HFW is an extension of zero dawn rather than a sequel that feels distinct and unique. But I also don’t think that’s a bad thing either
I actually used the glider and some mountains to get on two of the Tallnecks without doing the whole crazy monkey obstacle course.
Still doesn’t change the fact the game holds your hand. Dunkey said it best this genre of open world games needs to die.
@@SuperThisWay I mean just cuz it’s a sequel doesn’t mean it should play differently. Look at GOW Ragnarok, it almost looks the same as GOW2018 but better and more. The same with HZD and HFW. Look at Uncharted games, they play very similarly to one another but slowly it progresses into again, bigger/better/more.
@@CP-uw4ts Needs to die because it's not hard enough for some online gaming elitists? Lol, sure. Just play Dark Souls exclusively if you only want to stroke your gaming ego when you play.
I’m in Horizon for the lore and the robots and that delivered in the sequel so I’m happy lmao.
The third installment will be massively better. This was a safe gamble, and a great learning experience for them. I enjoyed the Brutality of this game. I believe in this studio. 😉
Yeah I truly hope they’re able to do something vastly amazing in the third game that will drop jaws
What makes you think that? I loved FW but I'm unsure how they could blow minds with the third
it will be out when dark souls 4 will also be out
@@moxdegiourno7984 or GTA 6, Elder Scrolls VI, New Zelda game, etc.
can wait for it to be absolutely destroyed and overshadowed by another actually good game releasing a week after it.
Horizon Forbidden West IS a masterpiece that's worth every penny spent on it and more 👍
lmao, in what world.
For me HFW improved on a lot of things that HZD didn’t have since it was the first game. It happens with a lot of games. The only thing HZD has over HFW is the initial sense of wonder since no one had seen it before. I still remember the feeling I got when I first started playing HZD and it’s not something that a sequel can produce naturally.
Additionally no one seems to want to talk about the changes that allow for far more varied playstyles compared HZD, now you can specialize in melee(to some extent), trap based gameplay, bow gameplay, and the new way of using shredders. Back in HZD it was freeze machine, triple nock sharpshot bow, hit weak point, Profit.
Exactly
I just finished the game and I absolutely love it!
Here's the thing. Games don't need mechanics that you never seen before. There are open world games, there are games with melee/bow and arrow combat, there are games with robots, there are games where you can craft, upgrade stuff, fly, swim etc. But there isn't a game that combines all these things in this specific way. What I'm trying to say is that games rely on more than just "new" mechanics.
For example, there is a ton of metroidvania games, then why do people (including myself) love Hollow Knight so much? I doesn't offer anything new.
I loved Zero Dawn and I love Forbidden West, and I want more games just like this so I'm afraid if the developers change the future game too much then it may lose the thing that people liked so much in the previous games.
Sorry for the long comment I just thought this is the best place to share my opinion on this.
Great video btw! :)
Thank you lazy lemon! and no worries on the long comment I appreciate it. I still love HFW and yeah even though it doesn't feel "new" or different from the other open world games but that's okay cause the game is still good af.
Exactly. The game just has to be great. Anyone obsessed with innovation is just dumb
@@HugoStiglitz88 maybe not dumb, I think innovation is great! Its just about not changing something which is already good itself, and just create something completely different instead
I noticed this with my current playthrough of Zero Dawn. The game does so much right, but it released probably within one of the worst timewindows. It's also a pretty rough game get through if you're tired of the current political climate/culture. It was fresh in 2017, but in 2022, you just feel so done with it. Ironically, I had no issues playing through the Frozen Wilds DLC which gives you exactly what you want, another Cauldron, more robot fights, and very few human encounters (one whole bandit camp).
As someone who hasn't played either horizon game, what was that about political climate?
@@MrGamelover23 play the game bro you’ll understand
@@jhoanmolina1822 Yo real talk I've played and finished both games twice and I still don't know what the political climate comment means lol
Great video!! I loved HFW and it's become one of my favorite games, I've spent 60 hours and I can't stop playing!!
Those are rookie numbers
Gotta pump up those numbers
I've spent >100 hours bc i maxed all the legendary stuff including the ng+ weapons, the grind was absolutely insane
I really don’t get what people have against this game .It really works for them the game plays very well .They did a good a job on carrying on with the story it’s smooth .
By the wings of the ten, yes they did.
The Tanakth 😎😎, Hakaru ran away like ho ass nigga when that T-Rex granny pulled up 🤣
I think that is the problem tho. The game plays well, the story is cool, it’s a very good game. But it’s yet another open world game. It doesn’t do anything wrong but if your gonna make an open world game that gets people attention these days it has to be something great. It doesn’t bring anything new to the table AND it came out right next to what a lot of people consider the new standard of open world games in elden ring. You can’t make a really good game and release it next to elden ring. You have to make something incredible. I think a lot of people played elden ring first because of how hyped it was and then when they went back to play forbidden west and saw the same old open world mold that elden ring had broken.
@@danw3441 your free to like what you like ,honestly if elden ring does it for you great . They two different games .
@@danw3441 elden ring is basically a reskinned dark souls 3 with a cut and pasted ubisoft open world. Yet fanboys like you act like it was the greatest thing mankind has created since sliced bread. The same reskinned dragons everywhere across the map, reused bosses in open world and those stupid dungeons, dont even get me started on that snow area towards the end of the game!! Bland and empty with nothing going on
20 hours in. "Generic masterpiece" is a wonderful description. This game is masterful in its execution of very, very standard mechanics. Nothing groundbreaking but nothing bad either.
I like to think of Forbidden West as the vision of Horizon Zero Dawn, fully realized.
I honestly don’t get why everybody feels it’s like a DLC (imho it doesn’t play like HZD), but to each their own.
That’s fair. I still enjoyed the hell out of this game but I can’t not argue it’s 100% different from the original
@@SuperThisWay I mean it's a sequel? Why would it be vastly different from the original? I'm so confused.
Bro everything is already done. We’re at that point in technological/conceptual evolution where nothing is truly innovative. For us to find something new, we would have to reset our brains and find everything exciting again.
This video from a creator with only 2 other video essays before this one, is the best review of this game I’ve seen. I’ve felt pretty much every reviewer criticize this game for being nothing new, specially compared to Elden Ring which came out like a week later. You are the first person that has vocalized exactly what this game is. I don’t know how anyone could have played this game and not think it’s a masterpiece. The game may not do anything new but what it does, it does it better than 99% of games out there. Thank you for acknowledging this game and I hope the developers don’t feel discouraged by the overwhelming lack of support from other reviewers.
With Patch 1.18 the game is a technical masterpiece
Finished the main story today after about 30 hours. Tomorrow first thing I’m doing is creating a new game plus and replaying the whole game again but this time going for 100% for the first time ever. And hopefully get my first plat trophy ever
I ain’t gonna lie man I was very immersed in this game and I thoroughly enjoyed the story I was obsessed with HZDs story and the same for this game I agree with some of your points and I can see the little nitpick things that people do complain about with the game but there’s many many nitpicks I have with other masterpieces games like Witcher 3 and Zelda but the pros outweighs the cons for me. I enjoyed your review of this and ya earned a sub from ya boy
Thank you my dude! I appreciate it!
@No Name waaah waaah so someone likes a game go cry about it.
@No Name why you so mad bro?😂
Great vid! I subbed
Loved the game but I sold my ps4 to pay my tuition :( I miss that game
The hate Forbidden West recieved its only really due to Elden Ring fanboys/PlayStation haters not wanting to accept how excelent the game is, by far the most excellent open world game Ive played.
I have played both games.....
And I can't say the same.
Believe me, I used to hate how ER took over the competition, but then, I played it.
They cannot be compared.
Same. I loved HZD, but ER is superior to HFW in so many ways.
@@alyseleem2692 Idk, when I played DS3 made an open world I got a little dissapointed.
@@William-Sunderland Well, I hadn't played another Soulsborne game before, so, maybe it's just because it's my first.
Still. The exploration feels....it feels like the way exploration actually used to feel in Horizon Zero Dawn. 😕 When you didn't know anything. Except all the time. Maybe the problem with Forbidden West is that I already get it all. Was that why they put the Immortals bit?
That plot is weird.
Is that what you’re going with my guy? The hoes mad approach. 🤔
Forbidden West is basically what many shows suffer from in their second seasons respectively. It had to deal with the intimidating task of following up its first groundbreaking game by expanding the world further, only to come out with a story that is slightly less compared to the story of its predecessor. Usually after that, however, the third game can pick it back up. Don't fail us, Guerilla.
The first game was hardly "groundbreaking" talk about hyperbole.
FW is outstanding. I’m stilling playing it long after doing the main quest. The main quest is like 25% of what’s in it.
just by the lore, this game is already a masterpiece. nothing's ever gonna ruin it for me.
More of the same is what was great about HFW for me. Some of the puzzles and viewpoints changed in ways that sucked but the rest was more of what I wanted.
What really worked for me was the story. We knew that it would be a lot of Aloy trying to rebuild GAIA and discover what awoke HADES. But the story added absurd elements that were interesting and still realistic enough within the world of the game. It kept me going because the bizarre elements kept me wondering, "Will this go over the line of absurd, or are they perfectly walking it?" For me, it was a little absurd, but in a good way. I genuinely look forward to the third game because it's set up just enough but still leaves me wondering of how it'll go.
Bro, your video quality is very good. I'm suprised you just have 150 subs. Gl in the future
Thank you Ghostmenhub01! That really means a lot to me
We’ve been playing this same game since it was called Assassin’s Creed - someone really needs to come up with a new game 🙃
I watched all the video thinking it was a channel with 100.000 subs. I was shocked when I realized it was only 164, keep up!
Thank you Franco I really appreciate it
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The Algorithm has blessed you?
I’m glad the algorithm is blessing me lol
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Yeah, this video is a pretty solid take. I'm glad he's being blessed by the algorithm.
What made HZD a memorable game for me was the mysterious aspect of the story and how their world came to be. i think for the third game it’s best to keep things mysterious to make it more interesting. For example, simply removing the list of placeholders for the unknown machines makes me keep guessing as to how many machines could be out there that I haven’t discovered yet. Making the puzzles harder in the sense that there could be multiple ways to solve them, just like the real world, would be interesting as well. They should learn from Elden Ring in keeping thing in the dark unless you purposefully go out there and try to discover them, instead of spoon feeding the quest content and puzzles to you.
@No Name *Out* by themselves
The problem with professional game reviews is that they are always from the perspective of a professional game reviewer. I play occasionally only binging games every year or two. For me every new game is a new adventure, and the similarities with older titles is what I look forward to.
This is a fair criticism of people who play a lot of games. I try to be unbiased (whatever that means) which is why I think HFW is a great game but it is lacking in that feeling of “unique” as far as open world games are concerned. But yeah if you don’t play a lot of games or are picky about the kinds of games to play, HFW would definitely be right up your alley
A splendid breakdown on what makes HFW , a sub from me.
Good points. A part of some combat mechanics all open world are so similar in its design that makes u wonder why even a sequal is necessery. The rumours that they are going to do a remake of zero dawn after forbidden west is just mindboggling.
For me what I like is the world of the game, The background stuff I really like, I actually read the datapoints, I like what happened to the world, it felt fresh and new
I wouldn’t call the stories “the same” so much as Forbidden West is a continuation of the ideas that were revealed by the end of the first.
That’s fair. I just meant they have the same story beats. So the storytelling still feels similar to the first game even if it was different stories
People want newness for the sake of newness due to their own selfish boredom. New is overrated. I greatly appreciate when developers attempt to perfect their ideas rather than throwing a bunch of new ones in and hope they work. Foundations are extremely important and when that foundation is really good, it should be expanded upon not reinventing.
Yeah this gets to what I was trying to say. Guerrilla games did a great job with the original and this sequel so I can’t complain about the lack of “newness”
The only thing I want that is new gameplay wise for the next game is a shield or less end lag on melee combat against machines, as of currently unless you distract the machine or perfectly time attacks, you won't even be able to get a light attack in without being hit, much less a whole combo.
holy shit I clicked on this thinking you must have at least 100k subs, because of the amazing thumbnail and video
Thank you Dustytusken! I appreciate it so much!
I loved HZD and HFW ... but you're not really wrong. Horizon isn't reinventing anything, but it's the standard open-world formula done very well.
I loved BOTW too, but it's hard for me to say it's better. Yeah, BOTW has a much more open sense of exploration and freedom. But really, BOTW's story is kind of mediocre and barely exists for most of the game, its NPCs are fun but basic, and what little voice acting it has is not great. (Which is fine-it's a Zelda game.) On the other hand, I was super into HZD's story, and I liked HFW's twist as well as the emphasis on NPC companions, both with an all-around great voice cast. Zelda and Horizon are just very different games with very different goals.
I also think my personal experience of HZD/FW was helped a lot by the fact that they were the first real open-world games I'd happened to play. So I guess it was all new and amazing to me :).
I didn't thought a Tallneck can be taken down. 😵💫
Oh that part was so freaking dope! Pretty satisfying when you bring it down
I really agree with your analysis. It didn't break ground persay but it was a really fun game and by the far the most beautiful I played on the PS5 so far. I really enjoyed playing the first game and when I played this one the whole time I was in awe of the world even if at times I wished exploration was more like BOTW. The story wasn't perfect but the facial animations and conversations were such an improvement from the first game. Definitely worth people's time.
Loved the review, of course it needs to be said that the game has some of the most beautiful graphics and best crafted videogame characters ever. I mean, on close-up you can see the tiny hairs on skin real humans have ! Its insane how much detail the devolopers have put into this.
I loved the first one and I love this one. Completed and did everything in the game as i did the first one
Sometimes you just want to eat McDonald's
They added plenty without pissing off the hardcore fan base. Looking forward to #3.
Really want to know how this story will get wrapped. So many directions it can!
How in metal gear you can do whatever in that game but not in this game? I don't get it
this video is really well edited. do some more reviews ! your subscribers will shoot up soon !
Thank you Lord Nasty!
Where I think Forbidden West failed was with its story. Everything about the Zeniths rubbed me the wrong way. The whole Beta character arc left me feeling totally indifferent. And the biggest wasted opportunity for this game was what they did with Ted Faro. He’s a character we would all love to hate, and he would’ve been the perfect antagonist to set up for the third game. What were they even thinking??
The Zeniths cloned him. 😂😂
@@johnserosanguineous1886 exactly. Ted Faro is actually Nemesis.
>Generic
>Masterpiece
Choose one
It's not that serious lol
I up voted just because of the title.
It is the best summation of what so many have been saying about the game. It also gives the game credit even as it criticizes it.
It IS a very very good game. It is just not *interesting* enough on a game design level. I'd love to see how they can iterate on their systems though.
What game is at 0:11?
Ghost of Tsushima. Highly recommend it especially if you enjoy open world games
OH! The main reason of why HFW is the best open world game ever - there is a game state for once you beat the final boss!
I get why most open world games reset to right before you beat the final boss, but it's so damn irritating. Let my game show that I actually bear Ganon!
One hope I have for this game. have it ported to PC I don't have a console I probably won't get console but I love the original and I want it ported to PC so I can play it
Will probably happen in a couple years just like the first game
What I dont like that much is that most side quests play out very similarly. Most of the time people want you to return someone or something to them you follow tracks and at some point machines show up and you beat them up. Also grinding for the best gear is just insanity. Opinion on the rest:
Main story was alright but not amazing imo. Combat is like the first game with a couple more toys but the combat system was already good in the first place so no complaints there. Aloys friends are definitely lacking some substance as they dont feel that important despite the whole thing with establishing the base and stuff. The world itself on the other hand is beautiful. That was already a strength of the first game alongside an awesome soundtrack. All in all I really like the game. The weaknesses are not that present and the setting and world do good job packing the whole experience up nicely. The game gives you not much chances to get your mind blown but does an at least decent job at most aspects. ( kind of what the video is pointing out.) For someone like me, who doesnt need fancy mind blowing stuff in the ways of gameplay it offers everything I could hope for.
This video was really good finna subscribe
Thank you!
This game is what I feel Zero Dawn wanted to be but due to it being a new IP they didn't go too crazy with that one but this one they really put it out there.
Yeah I like this game a lot more than the first. Just all the refinement and the direction it’s going too
Forbidden West is a good game. It is beautiful and it is fun. But it is not game of the year quality. The story just was not very good. At least not compared to zero Dawn.
That's fair. I think the story is at minimum serviceable and at best a solid follow up to Zero Dawn. But I do think it has goty quality due to just being a good game overall
Turn off the pick up animations.
Yea yea I know I found out the hard way lol
When I first saw this game in the trailer, i thought it looked good. When it went on sale for $15, I decided to give it a try. Thought it was a good game but confusing and the dialogue and story was all over the place. I was only able to understand it at the end. The characters are also very forgettable to me. I haven’t played forbidden west yet, maybe i’ll try it again when they make it go lower than 20 or find it in the bin somewhere to see what they improved on.
Edit: I forgot that I played the game trial and the only thing i’ve gotten was that it had good graphics and was optimized well for ps5. Honestly they should’ve made this a ps5 only game and release it this year and I believe it would get it’s accolades that it wants.
The Horizon games are massively underrated. They're very standard AAA open world games, but they very polished and well crafted standard AAA open world games, with of course best in class graphics to boot. The problem is the just CANNOT STOP releasing these games within a month of 100% genre re-defining open world games, lmfao. First with Breath of the Wild and then with Elden Ring.
lol yeah that’s the trap with Horizon’s releases so far. I really enjoy zero dawn and forbidden west and can’t wait for the next one whatever that looks like
I dont mind the fact that it's basically a copy of the first game, I loved the gameplay of the original and tbh id be angrier if they changed it. I view the game as a more story driven experience rather than a purely gameplay based one, and for that reason I saw the second game as a continuation of the story, basically more of the same game, and I loved that
Horizon kept getting over shadow by other game when they both came out
on a side note this game would be even better if they added a far cry style co-op mode
I agree with you about Regalla and Talanah,especially Talanah
lol right!? They’re like such great characters and they didn’t get the spotlight they should’ve gotten
I hope this game gets a bit more recognition since it does deserve it. Hope people do not just vote for ER goty based on the popularity of it, but really compares the candidates, but one can only hope so
Me too this game is so amazing, being realsed the same month of elden ring makes everyone compare it instead of its own unique thing.
@Women should cook And clean unprompted Man GOW not even release 1 month ago and GOTY still not happen yet
@Women should cook And clean unprompted fanboy be like :/
Good video man make more gaming review videos
Thank you 47!
I think people bashing this game for not doing anything new and then praising Elden Ring, which is just Dark Souls in an open world, a premise which has been replicated many times over anyway, just not for Dark souls specifically, makes no sense.
It all comes down to is feeling. Yeah all games more or less borrow from each other but the "feeling" of the game being unique is what people generally mean. HFW does do a lot what other open world games does but it doesn't necessarily make itself totally unique. Elden Ring is open world dark souls yeah but for people, there's something that clicked or made that game feel special.
For me, I do love HFW. I thought it was a great game but it also doesn't feel too unique but that's okay too cause it's a super polished game
@@SuperThisWay Horizon's combat is one of the most unique in recent years. Forbidden West itself doesn't change this but that still sets it apart from most games releasing.
I think what makes it fly under a lot of people's radars is the fact that, *on surface level*, it is just another open world game. One that gives the player as much or as little information as they want about how to proceed. But contrast that with Elden Ring, which forces that design mentality on the player, and suddenly it's regarded as a more unique experience.
I think it's all about perception. I'm not saying i prefer one or the other but HFW feels more "unique" *to me* because i try to see past its open world formalities. I don't know of any other game with a similar combat system and most other franchises are exploring the tired medieval setting while HFW is taping into a post-post apocalyptic scenario we rarely see. Sure, it's executed within an oprn world formula we've seen too much of but i think that execution elevates the game compared to other open world releases of late.
But hey, i don't want to sound like i hate Elden Ring, it's a great game. But to act like it isn't mostly more of the same is a bit disingenuous. Because there's nothing wrong with that.
@@sonicadv27 oh yeah for sure about the perception being skewed. That’s what I was getting at in regards to how people view HFW. I also don’t think it helped that Horizon and Elden Ring were released like a week or so apart (similarly with zero dawn and Breath of the wild), so people had a very quick and obvious thing to compare.
I view HFW as an amazing game that has amazing mechanics and the best graphics of any game released last year. But I also like Elden Ring more bc I had a more fun
Vid came out just in time just copped this game and ps5 lol
Dont know why u said its doesnt not allow u to do things however u want cause it is whats excels in this game, im sure noone fight the machine the same way there is tons of option in how u do the mision in fact i hve play it 3 time n never done the mision the same way
I love horizon and its beautiful world 🌎 😍
The comparison to other open world games is right, but I don't think calling something generic is a fair criticism. It's only an issue if you're someone playing every single open world game out there like critics do, but the correct assessment from that should only be how the game compares to other versions of the genre. Moreover as a consumer, folks should learn to skip games, or quit if they're just trudging through a game that's only mildly entertaining. Makes it so the best iterations of the genre hits better. You don't have to play every single Assassins Creed, or Far Cry, or what have you. FOMO is a sentiment that gets taken advantage of in the gaming industry.
Generic doesn’t equal bad. Generic just means that it’s not unique or specifically different from other games. Yeah yeah HFW is a unique game cause of its setting and robot dinosaurs. I just mean generic in that it’s open world gameplay and mechanics are similar to many other open world games.
As someone who has played a lot of other games, I felt that generic feeling but I think HFW does what it does so well even if the feeling of playing the game is that it’s not unique or new
Horizon is really the most successful generic game to exist rn
If I could only ask for one change in the third game, please please please, no more greenshine. I'm tired of greenshine, there's too much of it. There was even an amazing quest that introduced a cool mechanic just to earn you MORE GREENSHINE.
Lmao the amount of times I’m like, hey this looks like a cool secret and it’s greenshine smh
I’m looked forward to Forbidden West and it didn’t disappoint. I hope Tears of the Kingdom fixes much of what BotW was lacking.
This is a very interesting video. I totally agree to the extent that I'm actually worried about the future of videogames as a medium. The market is being flooded with games that would have stopped the world turning 5 years ago. They're all perfect, but not special. "Girlfriend reviews" illustrated it nicely by asking themselves; "explain the story of forbidden west".
I enjoyed the game very much, and have no critiques...but it seems like "perfection" is becoming a dime a dozen.
I'm exploring VR more because there is more room for innovation, I'm just worried that games, as a medium might head the same way as movies...
Best game I have played since Halo one
They expanded in some way but took a step back in other ways. The open world feels more alive, The activites like machine strike are good. The side quests have much more polish and Higher production vaule. how ever things like Drones to take done really feel like Half assed filler. The side quests while good are pretty repetitve They follow the Witcher 3 Quest design of follow a track But the difference here that 95 percent of them end with a Machine Fight. The writting is Not Witcher 3 level and there are No quests that really branch or give you Different way to solve them Like In Kingdom Come. The World is alive but not as Alive or reactive and interactive as something like RDR2. The Exporation and discovery could be so much better for Game like This Compared with, Skyrim, Fallout3, RDR2, Witcher 3 and Elden Ring. This game is graphics Masterpiece and has set the bar for facial aminations. Its game that should really be a GOTY title But the Writting really falls apart and the open world while good could be so much better. combat is soild but enemies are take to many hits compared with the first. The horse riding feels stiff and the climbing really feels lacking, even though you can climb more the game is not better for it. The first game really stood out with its setting and was memorable but this game feels forgetable. Dont think this game in few years will be looked back on in the same way HZD has been.
Honestly, the fun part of Horizon is being jacked as fuck in the end game and beat the shit out of heavyweight machines
One of those failed sequel. Story was very underwhelming. I was expecting too much having just finished the original just a week before.
There has to be a way to reason with Hephaestus. At this point, it will be 100% its capacity, meaning Gaia will not be able to merge with Heph at all no matter if she acquired the other sub functions. Heph has the blueprints to the printing facility at the Zenith base meaning it can now print machines at an incredible rate… Heph is unstoppable now, but I want to believe there is a way to reason with Heph. There has to be some good in it.
Ooooh potentially. Especially trying to get all the machines to be docile I think that has to be the next point to do.
I loved Zero Dawn but didn’t even finish West. It just seemed like the same thing with a few upgrades. The story and characters were bland. Zero interesting moments with the characters. No conflicts. Literally everyone loves Aloy and just does exactly what she says and there’s no interesting conflict or friction between the characters. Just kind of boring which is sad after waiting years.
The word masterpiece is loosing it's meaning
Visuals is all this game having going particularly pt2.this game is force apron the masses,( bundle in )
Yeah it was too generic for me.
Like, it's good, but I finished like a month ago and I'm already forgetting most of its story and characters.
Combat was great, and graphics are pretty... and that's it.
I liked HZD a lot more.
Also, aloy in this game is just... bad IMO.
What does he mean that the story is the same
a lot of people feel the same way about Ragnarok. it may be an improvement upon GoW 2018 but it's nowhere near as groundbreaking as that game felt so it almost comes across a little disappointing, even though Ragnarok is an incredible game regardless
Yeah I mentioned about how games are reaching that point where it’s hard to “feel” new especially since games like HFW and GoWR are stilling getting released on last gen consoles
I respectfully disagree that the paraglider "isn't really useful". I would be down for the dlc campaign to have Talanah as the player instead of Aloy :)
The paraglider was cool but it kinda only gets used to break your fall or get through a short distance. It didn’t feel like a true tool to traverse the landscape with
Also yes I need a Talanah spin off game lol
Masterpiece ❤️
This game is the best looking PlayStation game ever made so far. I loved zero dawn and forbidden west is wayyy better. 10/10 ‼️
this game manages to be both enjoyable and insanely fucking irritating at the same time. half the irritation comes from aloy being a horrible main character. she was alright in zero dawn; i wanted to like her, in forbidden west she was plain annoying and unlikable. the combat either works or just doesnt. aloy gets stuck on shit, the camera freaks out, she gets hit by ANYTHING and is stunned for a solid 5 seconds, which results in you being chain stunned until she dies. the cauldrons are dull at best, the puzzles somehow manage to be easy yet strangely cryptic and frustrating because they take away half of aloys skills to make them work. i had the most fun with this game just exploring the beautiful world and ignoring quests and fighting whatever i come across. the difficulty makes no sense, i played it on the harder difficulties for a long time and the difficulty itself is FINE, but the fact that you get jackshit for drops in hard mode makes zero sense. the machines are tankier, thus your fights last longer and you require more resources, and in return you get LESS? upgrading shit is already an endless (and pointless) grind. no thank you lmao i really do hate this game mostly because it easily could have been much greater than it is.
king of the hill? I played horizon pretty much on regular basis since launch, forbidden west is better in every way and still same flaws pretty much. zelda I played like 3 times without getting stuck in it:( you are not me..
Omg my bad! Thought I was Daniel Karlsson when I made this video. Simple misunderstanding but I’ll make sure to reupload to correct this mistake :)
Sad thing is that two games where worth buying this year until now, Forbidden West and Elden Ring. The rest is just... meh
I didn’t really enjoy zero dawn , bc the world just felt boring, breath of the wild was better at that time , so I didn’t buy forbidden west
I love the world of Horizon.
It’s really well made and I can’t wait to see how they tackle the next one
One thing to illustrate something (and I'm kind because you don't really deserve this comment, just a little bit): you can disable the looting animation in the settings.
Why the heck should a game (first of its franchise or even the sequel) re-invent a genre? I don't want it to be that innovative. I want to get high quality for my money, not a new experiment I won't enjoy.
It's like you (and many others) criticise a car because it still has four wheels and steering wheel and front&back lamps and windshields and horn and and and.
Sorry, please go on.
Yeah yeah I got my fair share of comments about the looting animation tho tbf that was in an update.
And as far as the sequel criticism, I said in the video that even tho HFW didn’t reinvent the wheel, it didn’t matter cause it was still fun af. There’s even a line in the video stating “even if this game is nothing new, HFW is a complete package.” That’s a pretty high compliment for this game!
I think it’s totally okay to criticize about if a game is or isn’t introducing new concepts or mechanics. I also think it’s totally okay to enjoy this game even if it plays very similarly to many other games.
This game rules and I think a lot of people are totally getting hung up on the “generic” part of the title when they completely missed the “masterpiece” part. This is a great game. Yeah some people are not gonna be totally into it cause they’ve played something similar many times before but I still think this is a great game
@@SuperThisWay :) Just having a conversation. I see it everywhere. I really wonder where this bullshit come from: that "this game has nothing new" or "has no new mechanics"?
Who thought that, in an action-RPG, anyone would need new mechanics? I don't need new mechanics. New mechanics would piss me off.
I need THESE mechanics.
• Don't drop crafting. Crafting is a simplified form of the thing of "MAKING THINGS" from real life.
• Don't drops the skill tree system. Skill tree system is a simplified form of "CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT" from real life.
• Drop what? Fight? Weapons? Long and short range? What should they re-invent?! 🤦♂
Okay, re-invention: make 4D games. It's fun. 4D action-RPG. You will hate it. Great! 40 million dollars into a game everybody hates. 👏👏👏 (Okay, that's HZD's budget if I'm not wrong.)
So it's a bullshit criticism what is based on some reinvention aspects. It's like we criticised every single movie with that "it gives nothing new but makes things better", by the way, Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back was a refined and extended version of New Hope. It may surprise you.
They made the terrain better, in Horizon Forbidden West.
They made the weather system better.
They made the lighting better.
They made the water better.
They made the music better (or, different, still the best).
They made the mocap and face-cap better. Made the story-telling better.
They made everything better, and continued the story. What's the problem with it? Who needs anything else?!
Btw, what I really palm my face out, is that Zelda thing. I can't get that game seriously. It's like the early pitch version of Horizon Zero Dawn. A joke, it's like some high school talented developer kids had enough time and money for making something. What about that thing's re-inventions? Never mind, I'm just mumbling. 😂 🤦♂
Forbidden West failed on its story.
Map was great, story sucked.
If you think that the glider is "not that useful" then you and I played this game VERY differently.
Hahaha my issue with it was that there wasn’t that much incentive to use it. The glider goes down a little too fast to use it to traverse long distances. I also didn’t really climb up mountains too much most cause climbing was still a little bit of a hassle
@@SuperThisWay yeah I agree that sometimes the glider would go down too fast, the odd thing is that I found that the "drop rate" wasn't consistent, sometimes it would go straight down and sometimes it would let me fly quite a bit. I think I see what you mean if you compare it with the glider in BotW which was much more integrated into the gameplay. But I still used the glider A LOT lol
On climbing I personally didn't find it to be a hassle, the mechanics could certainly be refined a bit but overall they were fine. Also I found that you could "climb" most surfaces, even not climbable ones, by spamming X and sometimes O. I was able to climb most mountains by doing that lol
Did you finish the game? Your map is far from complete. Respect your opinion, but I just beat this game it it’s definitely one of my all time favorites. It’s not an, “experimental game”, it’s an “Experience”.
I feel like most pessimistic reviews like this always come from those who don’t know what a generic game is.
In my opinion, Forbidden West was way better the Zelda’s Breath of the Wild and most other open world RPGs.
Idk if you watched the video but I really enjoyed HFW and I said it’s a game of the year candidate. I even defended HFW as a game that while it is generic in the features and mechanics, its still a great game.
I wouldn’t say it’s better than BotW or other games but I do think HFW is still a great game
U deserve more subs tbh
Thank you KMB!
I played Zero Dawn, and then went to Forbidden West,and had plenty of fun starting it....
Not so much by the middle, and then, after finishing the game and doing a little more side stuff, I just uninstalled it.
There were new things, just not enough, and most I either didn't really wish for or didn't like. For example, that weird thing that happens with your mount whenever you get within fifty feet of a settlement. Or how you need to get extra parts to complete overrides, meaning alot of useless farming. Or the dozen or so new abilities, to counter the bull### amount of Apexes, which are all just tank versions of normal machines which you cam never override.
And they're everywhere. You might not even find a single member of their packs to override, in many occasions. Your farming is even more useless.
The side content is very good at the start, and kept me motivated, but the story.....
The story is a heap of confused ### by the end of it. I can't stress this further. Immortals? Giant AI composed of narcissistic human minds coming from outer space? Billionaires escaping our planet for greener shores?
OK, that last part is more believable, but the logical result would be failure, even if they hadn't exploded on launch like they said in the Old game. You know how far that planet is?
Of course, the solution is Immortality juice!
The villains are not compelling in the slightest. I'd prefer Hades to these folks any day, and he's a talking computer with charisma levels of below zero.
Elden Ring......
I ain't even gonna talk about Elden Ring. If you've played it, you probably know what I'm gonna say. I thought I knew open world games, and then I played this. Maybe it's because i had never played a Souls game, but I think, with respect, that Horizon as a franchise is a drop in the bucket compared to this game. It isn't fair to compare them. Guerrilla Games is a company with big and very good aspirations, but they're just starting this franchise. It ain't fair to compare Forbidden West to the Heir of years of Soulsborne art in gaming, coalesced into a single package and made into even more.
That is pure insanity.
I thought the story was serviceable BUT they struggle making both the A and B stories compelling (the Gaia/sci-fi stuff vs the present tribes conflict). Idk I thought this new gods as villains concept was pretty neat but like they didn’t really get much screen time for me to care or feel threatened by them.
And don’t worry, I got an elden ring video in the works :)
@@SuperThisWay Yeah, but the thing is, I think the part about sci fi God men rich as ### broke a fundamental part of what made Horizon's story so compelling.
Do you know the funniest thing about Ted Faro?
He isn't some mad genius. No big villain. He was a college washout with the biggest mound of cash in the world and the arrogance to think that made him smarter than actual experts in what he did. He was greedy, selfish, deflecting, but most of all, he was disgustingly human. So much so, you could actually imagine him as a real person out there, a rich fool just waiting to introduce some grand new ###y idea to the world.
Sound familiar?
The way the Zeniths are presented, as all-powerful beings with not a single care in the world ready to just clean out their fellow men like rats in the kitchen. That's not what we're looking for. Even Tilda is an F-grade yandere of some sort who just wants a new sex toy in the shape of her former girlfriend.
And let's not talk about Nemesis. The whole concept just....it boggles my mind. An advanced AI built out of human minds, which is somehow both advanced and suffering from actual psychosis,as in in the medical designation, because it keeps hearing their ### all the time in it's mind.
Remember when we just had Hades?
Hades was just a computer program. He was doing his job. Perfectly well, in fact. The only problem he had is that he had no such thing as context as to why he's doing this. He's a computer program. Programs don't have or need context.
That's what's so perfect about him as a true AI villain. He's just that, an AI, not good ol' Skynet. A symptom of a broken system that may not even be sentient, and yet one that looks like some God of destruction to the people of the current world.
The secret sauce to Horizon's story, like the best stories, had only three ingredients. Heart, mystery, and irony. Copious doses of sweet, sweet irony.
We lost at least the last two of those three.
Looking forward to your video on Elden Ring. What did you think of it?
@@SuperThisWay I thought that the sci-fi stuff added a lot to the game. I am also interested to see where the third game goes. Imagine Alloy in space.
@@bryb2644 OK.....
I know we started by hunting robotic animals in the postapocalyptic United States, but this...
This is a little too much.
Sorry to sound old-fashioned, but what you're describing is not Horizon.
@@alyseleem2692 Yeah, it was the far zeniths I believe, and whatever form nemesis takes. I guess we shall see.
everyone plays horizon games for the good story and fun gameplay i dont understand why everyone criticizes its open world
The criticism stems from how open world games generally “feel” the same and have very similar mechanics (conquering tall structures would fill a portion of the map, side quests are all the “same,” etc). I don’t think HFW is a bad game bc it’s like many other open world games but it has a generic feeling to it. HFW is a great game even if it’s generic
Unpopular opinion but I really didn't like how they portrayed Aloy in this game, she comes off as unlikable and unrelatable compared to the first game. She's cold to pretty much everyone around her and seems annoyed the moment someone or even a friend tries to talk to her. She also complains about everything while talking to herself.
In the first game she was interested in building relationships with other people since she was an outcast for the majority of her life, and in this game she pushes everyone away with the blatant "strong woman" attitude.
I really don't like how everyone, especially the men, seem so damn incompetent compared to Aloy.
this should be game of the year, not elden ring