The Gen 3 came with sapphire Crystal glass and the latest dial have the lumibrite at 3’o clock and they removed the white square line on the date. Love mine the Sumo Gen 3 Hulk! Great review 👍🏼👍🏼
Great piece Bruce. The green colour is really nice. Shame its gone up in price but it does have some upgrades. Milled clasp would be nice but I'm ok with pin and collar 😜 love the 20mm lug width. Love my Sumo (black). Cheers 🍻
Hi Bruce, Great review I’ve just ordered the sumo plus having a milled bracelet put on the sumo makes it a better watch The green is stunning in the sun I’ve just purchased the king samurai and the new shogun Titanium the strap has a different look very comfortable Merry Christmas to and your family and have a great new year Bruce.
Just before the Lockdown I nearly pulled the trigger on this watch when I saw it IRL at a watch store here in England, they only had the display model left and wanted full price which I wasn't going to pay for an item that everyone else had tried on. I'm glad I held off, my SPB103J has just arrived today from an online store and I managed to save £115. I've a few Seiko watches in the collection as they're my favourite brand along with Casio and Citizen. This watch is beautiful, everything is flawless alignment wise and I fully agree about it looking black in certain light then pops the green when more light catches it. Stunning watch indeed.
Just bought one of these used from a guy in the FB group I'm in. I'm a big bloke and already have a few dive watches of roughly this size. I'm hoping I'll love it.
Just ordered this watch last night! This will be my first proper watch ever. I’m 30 years old now. Any tips on how to use/maintain the watch feel free to comment. Can’t wait till I get it around my wrist!
Of all the Seiko divers that I've owned over the years, I have realized my favorite is the Sumo. While my eye is attracted to the glitziness of the TAG, the Sumo has a more everyday look that makes it the no-nonsense choice for me. I've been attracted to shiny bauble watches in the past (Green Oris Aquis being the prime example) and while I love looking at them, I find myself never wearing them. The TAG is a handsome watch indeed, but the Sumo is the one that I know that I would actually wear. I did not care for the earlier Jade Sumo at all due to the obvious mismatch in bezel and dial colors as you pointed out. One advantage of aluminum inserts is that the paint used on them can be very precisely defined and matched. Ceramic is much more limited in color tone and it's why the Oris Aquis green ceramic bezel does not match the dial either -- something my eye is very sensitive to. Great review video, Bruce!
Well said the sumo is the thinking mans / working mans watch , tough reliable, the almost zaratsu polished case separates the sumo from the rest of the prospects line and the unique shape if the sumo gives you something to smile about as it's not the 1968 re interpretation diver that everyone seems to have. This is just special beautiful and the unique look give it it's own class.
I’ve just recently purchased the green sumo and I replaced the bracelet with a strapcode Angus jubilee which imo is a massive upgrade on the seiko bracelet….great watch
I like the change to the hour hand as well. The old Sumo hand set, along with the 12 hour marker, made for a bit of a giggle inducing scene at the top of every hour...if you know what I mean...maybe I'm the only one who ever saw that and might speak volumes to my maturity level
I have my sumo now. Really love it! One thing I notice is the bezel action, how it feels? I just started collecting Seiko watches I see fit. The new sumo is wonderful! Yes the bracelet isn't all that but once its adjusted to your wrist size? Its feel wonderful! Main thing I dislike is the bezel action. It sounds really hollow whilst turning the bezel. It also sound very mushy! I'm surprice Seiko makes bezel action this way?? Saying that? Its works well. I'm not a person who plays with my bezel often. Apart from that, the bezel is the best looking I've seen in aluminium bezel insert. Everything is just top notch, Especially for the price! Would love Seiko to improve massively in this area of the bezel.
Have the SBDC069 JDM, similar and in blue very good happy with it, like the green color. Not long after got the SBDC053, which I prefer, and far superior. Had some issues with the links on the 069 and order a strap code Crafter Code Stiffish blue color rubber silicon strap, fits perfect, right to the where the lugs meet the watch, as well as ordered a Jubilee type strapcode which I need some time to fit, and size, not an easy band to install, the insert to fit the case than the strap, but nice to know it's easy to size with screws instead of the insert. Thinking I may gift of sell the 069, don't know. Between the numbers and styles it can drive you nuts, wearing my Alpinist at present. Nice to have a smaller comfortable sized none diver. I will say this, the SBDC053 JDM gives me great looks, love the bezel, like it also as much as my new style Omega Seamaster 300m. Several times more expensive. Got it almost new pre owned and sized by the AD. I love the Bezel on the SBDC053, seems to smoother, darker blue color then then the 069.
After spending some time with this watch now, I can say? This watch sits nicer on wrist than my rolex GMT II two tone and my rolex daytona two tone, Because how it presents on my wrist! It feels like a mans watch! Unbelievable price! I highly recommend this new green sumo!!!
I just got one last week, glad mine is all aligned perfectly from I tell... LOL I put it on a starpcode jubilee, it is sexy now. I would love a ratchet diver clasp on it, do you think the marinemaster clasp finish would match the watch?
Was browsing a local mall in Canada and found one at $840 cad ($636usd). Lovely watch, love the case design, dial, color ways. Only critiques would be the bracelet feeling cheap for a watch this price class and the screw down crown feels stiff and rough, the screw down crowns of my cheaper monster and Samurai are much much smoother. On a side note I was wearing my SARX055 while I bought this. So I got it sized and wore the sumo home while having the sarx in the box...low and behold I accidently dropped the sarx while it is in the box as I was opening my house door. Hopefully with the pillow inside the stock box and it not being that high of a drop (2-3ft) that it won't damage the sarx :(
Only thing I'd change, is to make the lug to lug shorter. I've found that lug to lug affects wearability more than case diameter. I have a Seiko Solar Tuna that's 47mm diameter, but wears so comfortably because it's also only 47mm lug to lug.
I buy this one. Its amazing watch and very good quality. Seiko green is more beautiful than pic. The only i dont like is the strap, need to be improve may be buy third party strap. But the others i like it so much
Hi. A great review. I have a question. At the 9.27 minute mark there is another seiko watch shown. Can someone tell me which one it is???? Thank you for your help.
Bruce, great review my friend. Is the 6 o'clock index out of alignment with the chapter ring or is it just me? At this price point, Seiko really needs to work this out. On a SKX ok, but an $800 Sumo, I think they could, and should, do better. Again, great watch and great review. Keep em coming you beast!
I just got the new Hulk Sumo as my first Seiko diver. I was wondering, are there any people here with smaller wrists than mine, who still find the Sumo comfortable? My wrist is 6,5 inches (16,5cm). For me it feels comfortable and I’m loving the watch and its looks. Some might think the watch is too big for me, but I guess it’s mostly about confort and personal preference. Any experiences with wrists equally small and smaller than mine with the Sumo? Everything aligns well with mine. After the first 24 hours mine is running +11 secs/day. I even managed to size the pin-and-collar bracelet with the help of a TH-cam tutorial :) I like the bracelet, it’s comfortable and good-looking, and a good match with the case. I got a perfect fit with the help of the micro adjusts. The stamped metal clasp doesn’t really bother me. I especially like how the end links don’t follow the lines of the lugs. This way the big, curvy lugs really stand out on their own.
Is there an aligned Seiko? Damn, all the sumos I've seen on the net have some sort of misalignment on the chapter ring. Seiko has some serious problems, where is the quality of they don't even be able to align a chapter ring?
Love the new forest green colour. The new dial (with smaller hour markers) and narrower hands give it a less cartoonish look (more mainstream). For $800 this watch should have a milled folding clasp and diashield coating like other Seiko Divers in this price range. The extra 20 hrs of power reserve from the 6R35 along with the sapphire crystal is not worth a $250 upgrade in my books. I’d pick up the older blue model if only I didn’t have 6.5” wrists. The Sumo is just too big for me. I’d rather get the 43mm Certina DS Action Powermatic 80. It can be had for $600, dual coated sapphire crystal, much more vibrant green, milled clasp with ratcheting divers extension and 80 hrs power reserve. Only thing it loses out on is in the lume department.
I like this particular sumo having not found the previous one aesthetically pleasing at all... Which is nice... But I've gotta say both variants suffer at the end links. The end links look like they are for a different watch entirely. Look at the Tag and how the end links match the lugs of the watch in height, length, and finishing. Can't say exactly the same for the Sumo
Though the upgrades are nice, I cannot get behind the price. At that price, I would rather pive with the flaws of the older Sumo at $450. I love my gen 2 Sumo and will hold on to it. The prices of gen 2 are still the same so it is a good time to jump on them now.
I have this watch and I love it. I agree with the bracelet, Seiko need to upgrade their bracelet to screw links. My jewller screw up my pin and collar and it's half hanging it on the bracelet. Spewing.
john agree with you; i tried to just take out a link and the bracelet has new pins that are impossible to re-install; screw links would have been great; original are junk;; i ordered a strapcode to replace.
Great video Bruce, (As usual) I have the Seiko Prospex SUMO SBDC033 Air Diver (BLUMO) as I’ve said before it’s now loosing almost 20-30s/d ??? It used to be very accurate and I treat my watches very carefully. This new 6R35 seems like a good bet with the 70hr pwr reserve. Although I have the spron510 mainspring my per reserve is 50. Has there been any reported flaws in the earlier 6R15 movements?
Yes, if the watch absorbs a decent shock it can mess with the hairspring position, that causes the spring to touch itself at times and in different places throwing off the length and making the timekeeping act crazy. It is very common and will need a watchmaker to take a look at play with the positioning
Yours is not an isolated case, my SARB and Blumo have both done it. I dont really care tbh, my watches in such a rotation that it does before I put it back on, but makes it a pain to sell and is really disappointing.
Ben Andersen I hear you loud and clear. I also have a significant rotation so my Sumo only gets a couple of days wrist time at a time. BUT it annoys me to no end that it’s not performing up to standard. My Seiko Prospex SRPA21J1 PADI Turtle “Special Edition” Air Diver (Pepsi) with a 4R36 movement is 1-2 sec/day on wrist & 5-6s/d off wrist face up. There’s no excuse for the poor performance of my Sumo with a 6R15 movement!!! Cheers
I have gone back twice and maybe I missed it but have noticed several watch presenters forget to mention the crystal. There is a lot to talk about when you compare crystals and the different types. The scratch resistant qualities of sapphire .
Hey @Bruce. Can I please get your opinion about something. I’m wanting to buy a Seiko watch for my uncles 60th. He’s a watch collector and enthusiast like yourself. What of the following is the better Seiko watch? SPB103J1, SPB083J1, SPB053J1. I’m no watch expert.
I'd love to acquire one someday. Classy watch. Despite being a japanese market version, I can clearly see the missaligned chapter ring on your piece :(
I also think it is. I have bought 3 Seiko divers and the indexes at 6 don’t align. I have got Shogun, small tuna and turtle (the only one I still keep) and all of them had this issue :( Shame because I like them
Screwed link do look better/more refined but screws can work themselves loose over time where pin and collet never does..the same reason PP uses pins. If I was diving and my life depended on it. I choose the pin.
I've been obsessing over the Sumo for weeks... and for the past week I've been making myself go mad bc of trying to figure out if I should buy the Sumo or black Aquaracer
Basically dove head first into diving watch obsession lol. Went with Aquaracer cal 5 (nib on ebay for $1400). Then bought Oris Aquis. Then 3 super clones of Seamasters and Superocean - going to wear the clones and figure out *exactly* which one I like the best then buy 1 authentic. Super clones are so good now they fool Jewelers, it's unreal, and they're only $300 - 350ish. I wouldn't recommend getting the Sumo. Just go with something slightly more expensive. The Turtle (or King) will settle Seiko diving watch needs
It's a lovely watch and thoughtfully designed. Green is in. For, yes, double the price new the Oris Aquis date is my choice for a green diver. The Oris is superior in every way save the power reserve. Nice review, love the closeups.
@@krunalbhavsar6878 Right...technically, all watches suck at accuracy. In my personal experience I've found Oris watches to be precise with good isochronism but if you have evidence from a broader sample please share.
Oris aquis date uses standard sellita movement and which is not even regulated enough even my Seiko 5 4r36 movement has better accuracy rate then this sellita standard grade movement
@@krunalbhavsar6878 Again. Evidence please. Both of these are fine examples of robust utilitarian movements that can be well regulated. There are many anecdotal reports of excellent timekeeping from Oris and Seiko using these movements. There are also some poor reports. Anyway, at the price points we are considering here fine regulation and a guarantee of chronometric precision are not common or expected.
I don't understand this preference for screwed bracelets. Screws loosen over time. I have yet to see a pin and collar bracelet loosen from movement. I really do not get it. To my mind, technically, and leaving aside loctite, the pin and collar system is the vastly superior one from an economy of design and reliability perspective. So I am happy they didn't. The diver's extension needs to go though. They dig into the wrist and are generally a nuisance. So far, the SARB033 and GS bracelets I own have been the superior bracelets in terms of comfort and fit. Nobody uses dive watches for diving anymore, so I wish they would take a clue and get rid of the token extension, and replace it with a full-link - half-link system like the GS has.
My Gen 2 Sumo is a heck of a bargain for less than $500. This new one is just too expensive for a Sumo. Maybe $600-650 can be justified by the new movement and sapphire. But not $800.
I love seiko more then Tag - but - that tag is a awesome , such a good looking, fun, cool," feel good" and quality looking timepiece . i dont think it will ever go out of style - the color and tones just have to much character. ☺
For me the clasp is ok just fine , for me spending $800-$1200 on a one and done watch to then replaced the strap is silly , just run with it , if you dont like the bracelet then done buy the watch. Stop blaming seiko, if you want a tudor or tissot or sinn then buy that instead. The seiko bracelet are fine simple, utilitarian and work well, it's designed for use. Any watch bracelet will have a breaking point.you drop your watch on the floor the weight of the watch will make it worse especially if it lands on the clasp , the clasp acts as a stress member so it will break if too much force is applied.
I think the Orient "mini neptune" is a better proposition at half the price. That bracelet is rubbish. And there has been a lot of bad press with the 6r35 movement re accuracy.
"I spent so much time analyzing Omega and it's all hype and no substance. Bla bla the Bond things is so cheesy. Glad I went with Tudor" -You, Sept 2019 I don't like Omega btw.
Got one green sumo in my hands, total disapointment. Extremely loose bezel, cheap bracelet and the dial is not alligned. And it s not a cheap watch. As they say, seiko 's quality control moved to Orient, I guess.
Ho comprato il Seiko Prospek Sumo. Molto bello ma con una precisione ballerina. Quindici giorni con una precisione di 4 secondi settimanali e poi capita che in un giorno ritarda o anticipa di due minuti. Portato in assistenza, dopo due mesi me lo hanno sostituito con uno nuovo. Ma non e' cambiato niente. Grande delusione
I really like the updated design. Thank you for another fantastic review Bruce :)
The Gen 3 came with sapphire Crystal glass and the latest dial have the lumibrite at 3’o clock and they removed the white square line on the date. Love mine the Sumo Gen 3 Hulk! Great review 👍🏼👍🏼
Sumo has matured nicely!
Great piece Bruce. The green colour is really nice. Shame its gone up in price but it does have some upgrades. Milled clasp would be nice but I'm ok with pin and collar 😜 love the 20mm lug width. Love my Sumo (black). Cheers 🍻
Hi Bruce, Great review I’ve just ordered the sumo plus having a milled bracelet put on the sumo makes it a better watch The green is stunning in the sun
I’ve just purchased the king samurai and the new shogun
Titanium the strap has a different look very comfortable
Merry Christmas to and your family and have a great new year Bruce.
Just before the Lockdown I nearly pulled the trigger on this watch when I saw it IRL at a watch store here in England, they only had the display model left and wanted full price which I wasn't going to pay for an item that everyone else had tried on. I'm glad I held off, my SPB103J has just arrived today from an online store and I managed to save £115. I've a few Seiko watches in the collection as they're my favourite brand along with Casio and Citizen. This watch is beautiful, everything is flawless alignment wise and I fully agree about it looking black in certain light then pops the green when more light catches it. Stunning watch indeed.
Ernest Jones are doing 25% off this watch currently
Just bought one of these used from a guy in the FB group I'm in. I'm a big bloke and already have a few dive watches of roughly this size. I'm hoping I'll love it.
already the "Hulk". now waiting for the SBDC099 :). Love the size of the sumo. What a wrist presence!
Sbdc099
I just ordered one. 😍
Just ordered this watch last night! This will be my first proper watch ever. I’m 30 years old now. Any tips on how to use/maintain the watch feel free to comment. Can’t wait till I get it around my wrist!
Of all the Seiko divers that I've owned over the years, I have realized my favorite is the Sumo. While my eye is attracted to the glitziness of the TAG, the Sumo has a more everyday look that makes it the no-nonsense choice for me. I've been attracted to shiny bauble watches in the past (Green Oris Aquis being the prime example) and while I love looking at them, I find myself never wearing them. The TAG is a handsome watch indeed, but the Sumo is the one that I know that I would actually wear.
I did not care for the earlier Jade Sumo at all due to the obvious mismatch in bezel and dial colors as you pointed out. One advantage of aluminum inserts is that the paint used on them can be very precisely defined and matched. Ceramic is much more limited in color tone and it's why the Oris Aquis green ceramic bezel does not match the dial either -- something my eye is very sensitive to.
Great review video, Bruce!
Agree - the Sumo is very comfortable to wear and I always come back to it 👍
Well said the sumo is the thinking mans / working mans watch , tough reliable, the almost zaratsu polished case separates the sumo from the rest of the prospects line and the unique shape if the sumo gives you something to smile about as it's not the 1968 re interpretation diver that everyone seems to have. This is just special beautiful and the unique look give it it's own class.
I love the new black sumo! If bezel in ceramic, it will be much better~
I really like mine. looks super clean and I have a large wrist so it fits really well on my wrist
I’ve just recently purchased the green sumo and I replaced the bracelet with a strapcode Angus jubilee which imo is a massive upgrade on the seiko bracelet….great watch
This watch looks crazy on my puny wrist! I dont care how people see on me with it? It's how I perceived it! What a beauty!
I like the change to the hour hand as well. The old Sumo hand set, along with the 12 hour marker, made for a bit of a giggle inducing scene at the top of every hour...if you know what I mean...maybe I'm the only one who ever saw that and might speak volumes to my maturity level
You should get a Speedmaster.
@@minituremarvels The Speedmaster only represents half the genitalia, whereas the Sumo leaves nothing to the imagination. Again, we digress.
I tried this model at an AD and was really surprised how much I like it. With a better bracelet and adjustable clasp, I'd buy one.
PS - Rolex puts its new movements in ladies watches - unannounced beta testing.
Great review. What do you think of the Seiko 5, SKX replacement with the open case back? - would love to see a review of those.
I have my sumo now. Really love it! One thing I notice is the bezel action, how it feels? I just started collecting Seiko watches I see fit. The new sumo is wonderful! Yes the bracelet isn't all that but once its adjusted to your wrist size? Its feel wonderful! Main thing I dislike is the bezel action. It sounds really hollow whilst turning the bezel. It also sound very mushy! I'm surprice Seiko makes bezel action this way?? Saying that? Its works well. I'm not a person who plays with my bezel often. Apart from that, the bezel is the best looking I've seen in aluminium bezel insert. Everything is just top notch, Especially for the price! Would love Seiko to improve massively in this area of the bezel.
It looks badass. I wanted to swap the new bezel on my old one but I feel the bold font on the old one was part of what made it a Sumo
I agree Jorge, I love the funky old bezel
Have the SBDC069 JDM, similar and in blue very good happy with it, like the green color. Not long after got the SBDC053, which I prefer, and far superior. Had some issues with the links on the 069 and order a strap code Crafter Code Stiffish blue color rubber silicon strap, fits perfect, right to the where the lugs meet the watch, as well as ordered a Jubilee type strapcode which I need some time to fit, and size, not an easy band to install, the insert to fit the case than the strap, but nice to know it's easy to size with screws instead of the insert. Thinking I may gift of sell the 069, don't know. Between the numbers and styles it can drive you nuts, wearing my Alpinist at present. Nice to have a smaller comfortable sized none diver. I will say this, the SBDC053 JDM gives me great looks, love the bezel, like it also as much as my new style Omega Seamaster 300m. Several times more expensive. Got it almost new pre owned and sized by the AD. I love the Bezel on the SBDC053, seems to smoother, darker blue color then then the 069.
After spending some time with this watch now, I can say? This watch sits nicer on wrist than my rolex GMT II two tone and my rolex daytona two tone, Because how it presents on my wrist! It feels like a mans watch! Unbelievable price! I highly recommend this new green sumo!!!
I just got one last week, glad mine is all aligned perfectly from I tell... LOL I put it on a starpcode jubilee, it is sexy now. I would love a ratchet diver clasp on it, do you think the marinemaster clasp finish would match the watch?
Was browsing a local mall in Canada and found one at $840 cad ($636usd). Lovely watch, love the case design, dial, color ways. Only critiques would be the bracelet feeling cheap for a watch this price class and the screw down crown feels stiff and rough, the screw down crowns of my cheaper monster and Samurai are much much smoother.
On a side note I was wearing my SARX055 while I bought this. So I got it sized and wore the sumo home while having the sarx in the box...low and behold I accidently dropped the sarx while it is in the box as I was opening my house door. Hopefully with the pillow inside the stock box and it not being that high of a drop (2-3ft) that it won't damage the sarx :(
What camera model did you use for your videos?
Only thing I'd change, is to make the lug to lug shorter. I've found that lug to lug affects wearability more than case diameter. I have a Seiko Solar Tuna that's 47mm diameter, but wears so comfortably because it's also only 47mm lug to lug.
I love this watch
Hey Bruce, i can,t choose , New Sumo or Orient saturation.
What would you choose ?
Kind regards Maxim
I buy this one. Its amazing watch and very good quality. Seiko green is more beautiful than pic. The only i dont like is the strap, need to be improve may be buy third party strap. But the others i like it so much
Waiting for the review of the new King Sumos, ciao!
Nice video,beautiful watch 👍😁
Hi. A great review. I have a question. At the 9.27 minute mark there is another seiko watch shown. Can someone tell me which one it is???? Thank you for your help.
Hi bruce..im in a dilema as to which i should get .
.the black or this green one🤗..please advise me🤔...
Love Reeses !!!
Hey Bruce. What do you think of Seiko eletura kinetic direct drive.
Bruce, how's the accuracy 8 months later?
Bruce, great review my friend. Is the 6 o'clock index out of alignment with the chapter ring or is it just me? At this price point, Seiko really needs to work this out. On a SKX ok, but an $800 Sumo, I think they could, and should, do better.
Again, great watch and great review. Keep em coming you beast!
Love the sumo I must buy a green dial I know the bracelet isn't a swiss job but it a seiko and i live them
Bruice
When will you review blue sumo limited edition?
Thank you for your review
sumo wins! the downside is the case is quite large and not suitable for smaller wrist. but the quality of the case is worth the price tag.
Very nice Sumo indeed.But I have a question-is this green dial real sunburst?
Is the bracelet on this model the same as the one on 051 62mas ?
Got mine!
I just got the new Hulk Sumo as my first Seiko diver. I was wondering, are there any people here with smaller wrists than mine, who still find the Sumo comfortable? My wrist is 6,5 inches (16,5cm). For me it feels comfortable and I’m loving the watch and its looks. Some might think the watch is too big for me, but I guess it’s mostly about confort and personal preference. Any experiences with wrists equally small and smaller than mine with the Sumo?
Everything aligns well with mine. After the first 24 hours mine is running +11 secs/day. I even managed to size the pin-and-collar bracelet with the help of a TH-cam tutorial :) I like the bracelet, it’s comfortable and good-looking, and a good match with the case. I got a perfect fit with the help of the micro adjusts. The stamped metal clasp doesn’t really bother me. I especially like how the end links don’t follow the lines of the lugs. This way the big, curvy lugs really stand out on their own.
If the chapter ring is misaligned at 6 surely it's going to be misaligned at all the other points too?
just waiting what seiko will do to mm200... although i own this sumo,, this is a great watch
Is there an aligned Seiko? Damn, all the sumos I've seen on the net have some sort of misalignment on the chapter ring. Seiko has some serious problems, where is the quality of they don't even be able to align a chapter ring?
Love the new forest green colour. The new dial (with smaller hour markers) and narrower hands give it a less cartoonish look (more mainstream). For $800 this watch should have a milled folding clasp and diashield coating like other Seiko Divers in this price range. The extra 20 hrs of power reserve from the 6R35 along with the sapphire crystal is not worth a $250 upgrade in my books. I’d pick up the older blue model if only I didn’t have 6.5” wrists. The Sumo is just too big for me. I’d rather get the 43mm Certina DS Action Powermatic 80. It can be had for $600, dual coated sapphire crystal, much more vibrant green, milled clasp with ratcheting divers extension and 80 hrs power reserve. Only thing it loses out on is in the lume department.
I love Seiko. Anybody saw a new Seiko Arnie? Looks soooo sharp!!!!
Guys......I am torn between the SPB103J in green and the more pricier SPB143 in black...which one should i get?? thanks
I like this particular sumo having not found the previous one aesthetically pleasing at all... Which is nice... But I've gotta say both variants suffer at the end links. The end links look like they are for a different watch entirely. Look at the Tag and how the end links match the lugs of the watch in height, length, and finishing. Can't say exactly the same for the Sumo
Though the upgrades are nice, I cannot get behind the price. At that price, I would rather pive with the flaws of the older Sumo at $450. I love my gen 2 Sumo and will hold on to it. The prices of gen 2 are still the same so it is a good time to jump on them now.
I have this watch and I love it. I agree with the bracelet, Seiko need to upgrade their bracelet to screw links. My jewller screw up my pin and collar and it's half hanging it on the bracelet. Spewing.
That's not a jeweler that's an amateur. You need a new jeweler
john agree with you; i tried to just take out a link and the bracelet has new pins that are impossible to re-install; screw links would have been great; original are junk;; i ordered a strapcode to replace.
Great video Bruce, (As usual) I have the Seiko Prospex SUMO SBDC033 Air Diver (BLUMO) as I’ve said before it’s now loosing almost 20-30s/d ??? It used to be very accurate and I treat my watches very carefully. This new 6R35 seems like a good bet with the 70hr pwr reserve. Although I have the spron510 mainspring my per reserve is 50. Has there been any reported flaws in the earlier 6R15 movements?
Yes, if the watch absorbs a decent shock it can mess with the hairspring position, that causes the spring to touch itself at times and in different places throwing off the length and making the timekeeping act crazy. It is very common and will need a watchmaker to take a look at play with the positioning
Yours is not an isolated case, my SARB and Blumo have both done it. I dont really care tbh, my watches in such a rotation that it does before I put it back on, but makes it a pain to sell and is really disappointing.
Ben Andersen I hear you loud and clear. I also have a significant rotation so my Sumo only gets a couple of days wrist time at a time. BUT it annoys me to no end that it’s not performing up to standard. My Seiko Prospex SRPA21J1 PADI Turtle
“Special Edition” Air Diver (Pepsi) with a 4R36 movement is 1-2 sec/day on wrist & 5-6s/d off wrist face up. There’s no excuse for the poor performance of my Sumo with a 6R15 movement!!!
Cheers
I have gone back twice and maybe I missed it but have noticed several watch presenters forget to mention the crystal. There is a lot to talk about when you compare crystals and the different types. The scratch resistant qualities of sapphire .
This version of the Sumo has a sapphire crystal mate.
Hi,
What is the accuracy in secs per day you are getting by using this watch 6r35 ?
Thanks
My friend has exactly this watch, and it can vary from 7 - 10 seconds a day he says.
Hey @Bruce. Can I please get your opinion about something. I’m wanting to buy a Seiko watch for my uncles 60th. He’s a watch collector and enthusiast like yourself. What of the following is the better Seiko watch? SPB103J1, SPB083J1, SPB053J1. I’m no watch expert.
For movement with 70 hours or 6R35 Calibre power reserve get SPB103/SBDC083.
I'd love to acquire one someday. Classy watch. Despite being a japanese market version, I can clearly see the missaligned chapter ring on your piece :(
I’m a big fan of seiko. I have a samurai but now trying to decide between a sumo, shogun, tuna.
Sumo. The details in the case are brilliant (lugs) and hugs the wrist. I'm assuming its because the banana shape he made reference to.
hey bud, need ur review about new seiko 5. i'll waiting for that :)
It will happen
Hey what's that gorgeous watch at 9:26 ???
Nov 2021 Prices are mid $600s... thanks for the vid
Do you wear the watch jammed up against your hand like that? Seems really uncomfortable down that far.
I wear them Bruce Loose so they slide around more than the average joker
I also got one
Is this the Hulk or the Kermit of the watch world ? Lol. Ps: loving ur photography & macro 👍👍
Is it just me or the 6 hour marker is not aligned with the bezel?
Kind of looks like it is, but not sure if it just driven by the angle.
I also think it is. I have bought 3 Seiko divers and the indexes at 6 don’t align. I have got Shogun, small tuna and turtle (the only one I still keep) and all of them had this issue :(
Shame because I like them
@@hambone988ubet there are many angles shown. Don't think is that
Been considering one of these for a few years but never jumped in....Seiko Sumo or Oris Aquis?
Steve Bingham Oris by far.
@@sv2677 The price says it all.
MM200 Vs this sumo?
At $450 this is an awesome watch, at $750 I would rather have the SBDC061. That is an awesome shade of green though.
Wy don't we start with accuracy in the long run?
"I see a banana and a Reeces cup" dude you're hungry!! Good review tho seriously.
Screwed link do look better/more refined but screws can work themselves loose over time where pin and collet never does..the same reason PP uses pins.
If I was diving and my life depended on it. I choose the pin.
I've been obsessing over the Sumo for weeks... and for the past week I've been making myself go mad bc of trying to figure out if I should buy the Sumo or black Aquaracer
@@silverghost4206 don't ask..
Basically dove head first into diving watch obsession lol. Went with Aquaracer cal 5 (nib on ebay for $1400). Then bought Oris Aquis. Then 3 super clones of Seamasters and Superocean - going to wear the clones and figure out *exactly* which one I like the best then buy 1 authentic. Super clones are so good now they fool Jewelers, it's unreal, and they're only $300 - 350ish.
I wouldn't recommend getting the Sumo. Just go with something slightly more expensive. The Turtle (or King) will settle Seiko diving watch needs
marine master 200? which model is tht?
Sbdc061 and sbdc063
SPB077 and SPB079
No complaints bout the misalignment of the sumo?
🙈⌚😓😑😸 what misalignment?
Look at the 6 o clock indizie
@@maxibo4221 🙈⌚ but its a seiko, it cant b misaligned.
It's a lovely watch and thoughtfully designed. Green is in. For, yes, double the price new the Oris Aquis date is my choice for a green diver. The Oris is superior in every way save the power reserve. Nice review, love the closeups.
well oris sucks at accuracy
@@krunalbhavsar6878 Right...technically, all watches suck at accuracy. In my personal experience I've found Oris watches to be precise with good isochronism but if you have evidence from a broader sample please share.
Oris aquis date uses standard sellita movement and which is not even regulated enough even my Seiko 5 4r36 movement has better accuracy rate then this sellita standard grade movement
@@krunalbhavsar6878 Again. Evidence please. Both of these are fine examples of robust utilitarian movements that can be well regulated. There are many anecdotal reports of excellent timekeeping from Oris and Seiko using these movements. There are also some poor reports. Anyway, at the price points we are considering here fine regulation and a guarantee of chronometric precision are not common or expected.
I don't understand this preference for screwed bracelets. Screws loosen over time. I have yet to see a pin and collar bracelet loosen from movement. I really do not get it. To my mind, technically, and leaving aside loctite, the pin and collar system is the vastly superior one from an economy of design and reliability perspective.
So I am happy they didn't. The diver's extension needs to go though. They dig into the wrist and are generally a nuisance. So far, the SARB033 and GS bracelets I own have been the superior bracelets in terms of comfort and fit. Nobody uses dive watches for diving anymore, so I wish they would take a clue and get rid of the token extension, and replace it with a full-link - half-link system like the GS has.
My Gen 2 Sumo is a heck of a bargain for less than $500. This new one is just too expensive for a Sumo. Maybe $600-650 can be justified by the new movement and sapphire. But not $800.
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I love seiko more then Tag - but - that tag is a awesome , such a good looking, fun, cool," feel good" and quality looking timepiece . i dont think it will ever go out of style - the color and tones just have to much character. ☺
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For me the clasp is ok just fine , for me spending $800-$1200 on a one and done watch to then replaced the strap is silly , just run with it , if you dont like the bracelet then done buy the watch. Stop blaming seiko, if you want a tudor or tissot or sinn then buy that instead. The seiko bracelet are fine simple, utilitarian and work well, it's designed for use. Any watch bracelet will have a breaking point.you drop your watch on the floor the weight of the watch will make it worse especially if it lands on the clasp , the clasp acts as a stress member so it will break if too much force is applied.
The Tag looks cheap. The design looked like $6 made in china crap.
I want to like the sumo.. But that numbers on the insert kills it for me. Also not ceramic
Now remove the bezel insert and make us a dress watch with that case
Thank god I didn't buy the MM300 Forrest.
@Cool Crush Ice Killa naw, just that this Sumo Green is the green same as the MM300 without the price tag. Specs not as good but looking for a green.
@Cool Crush Ice Killa and oh yeah, I could get it but why?
looks like sushi from the side.
It's a 'Hulk' for the masses. Shame about the Prospex logo on the dial.
Yeah I don't think Seiko will every listen to us that we don't like it lol
Honestly i really enjoy the prospex logo. It is something unique and it looks cool :D
I think the Orient "mini neptune" is a better proposition at half the price. That bracelet is rubbish. And there has been a lot of bad press with the 6r35 movement re accuracy.
Just get a New Omega Seamaster 300M and it'll be the first and last watch you'll ever need.
"I spent so much time analyzing Omega and it's all hype and no substance. Bla bla the Bond things is so cheesy. Glad I went with Tudor"
-You, Sept 2019
I don't like Omega btw.
InChrist87 It’s multiple times the price. Not everyone can spend that much.
Cant stand the SM bracelet/overall design and nothing special about that Omega
Got one green sumo in my hands, total disapointment. Extremely loose bezel, cheap bracelet and the dial is not alligned. And it s not a cheap watch. As they say, seiko 's quality control moved to Orient, I guess.
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Ho comprato il Seiko Prospek Sumo. Molto bello ma con una precisione ballerina. Quindici giorni con una precisione di 4 secondi settimanali e poi capita che in un giorno ritarda o anticipa di due minuti. Portato in assistenza, dopo due mesi me lo hanno sostituito con uno nuovo. Ma non e' cambiato niente. Grande delusione
the case is so easily to get scratched tho, sadly
The bracelet looks cheap to me.
Bracelet still a joke
Sumo looks better…
What about misalignments on 6 O'clock and 9 O'clock hour markers?