New Seiko Sumo vs. Old Seiko Sumo
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2019
- In this video we take a look at the new SPB103 and compare it to the discontinued Sumo (my SBDC069) I was a bit skeptical when I first saw the announcement of the next generation Sumo, but I can say after seeing it in person, the updates make a noticeable difference. I think this is a really solid all around diver.
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I think no camera can catch the way a 3rd-gen green Sumo looks in bright light. Just gorgeous. (Outside on a sunny day: "Hey Steve, whatcha doin?" "Lookin at my Sumo. Soooo pretty." "Hey, that IS nice!")
Great review, buddy, thank you very much for it, keep up the great work.
Just ordered mine, looking forward to have it.
Greetings from Brazil.
Got the new Green Sumo and it’s a gorgeous piece, love it!
Bruce this is an awesome video being a owner of the Blumo it’s my favorite all time watch . As far as the cosmetic changes you’ve mentioned I wouldn’t challenge your views if I hadn’t just yesterday visited a jewelry store in Columbia Maryland that actually had the new Sumo in black . I handled the watch and tried on . To me the subtle changes to me take away what makes the Sumo the Sumo. The Sumo has personality and that’s what makes the watch the legend that it is. I personally love the Blumo and prefer my Blumo over the new release and the increase in price doesn’t ad to value for price paid. If I’m going to spend $850 or more I’d buy and a 061/063 or 051/053 . I just don’t think that a sapphire crystal and newer movement warrant a $350 increase . As far as value proposition the older Sumo watch are much better in my opinion.
Superb shots as usual BW! Like you, I'll stick with my 031 and upgrade the glass! Love your channel (and the greater SLC area)!
You’re absolutely right Bruce, elongated hands are always a better idea, rarely mentioned by most people, but details man, isn’t that what makes our hearts beat faster? Good week-end to you!
Great comparison. I only want the factory sapphire crystal for my SBDC031, and I am good for it as my daily wear. I like the new bezel font of the new Sumo, but the indices on the face and handset of the new Sumo are a little less tool-ish and more dressy, which is not for me, but still unique. Overall, good improvements on a great watch.
Great video Bruce. Seiko has done quite a nice update on the Sumo. Very impressive for sure.
Man that green dial is crazy nice got to add to the collection
Thanks, Bruce, as always - a very informative vid!
Nice comparison 👍👍 received my 103j1 yesterday. That green with silver is very very beautiful. 🙏🏻 I didn’t noticed the updated endlink before. Thanks for mention it. 😊
Definitely a great looking Sumo especially in the green colors , Nice 👍
Nice comparison of the old vs new Sumo. 👍
Great video Bruce. That clasp is a joke. The rest of the watch is awesome.
Thanks Bruce. I now own an SPB101.
I enjoy owning Seiko watches and have a particular liking for the Sumo SBDC031. Perhaps my favourite Seiko watch. This will sound crazy, but in some ways I enjoy wearing it more than I do my Grand Seiko SBGH267. Believe me when I say, I think the Sumo is a very beautiful watch. I've had my eye on the new Sumo for several months. It's time I bought it.
Wore my Coral Blue today! One of my favorite Seikos! It's discouraging to me however, that Seiko is charging close to 1000 dollars for features that come standard in many sub 500 dollar micros. Great channel Bruce Always enjoy your content!
I own the blue Coral too, and I absolutely love it.
Brilliant watch, easily my favourite.
Very accurate too, at +1s/day.
Cannot complain!
Great video, Bruce! Keep it up
Beautiful New Sumo. I've owned my 1st Gen since 2013. I love it, quirks and all. I just had it regulated & it runs almost +0/-0 a day. Also, the New Sumo has, what appears to be a flat Saphire Crystal. The older version has a very slight domed shape which I prefer.
Where did you get it regulated? Didn't know you could do something like that. Thanks...
What is the best source to keep up to date on upcoming limited edition releases from Seiko?
I decided to go with the old one even though new one is obviously improved. I think losing the bezel font and hands set is like loosing a dna of the sumo, it just didnt talk to me anymore. And what is the story with the unsigned crown, that looks cheap...
For me, old one is the right one. When compared, new one is just too expensive IMO. Mine blue coral is also with 6R15D, and that is the last gen of 6R. Runs perfectly
I agree with your comments. I prefer the old one, it keeps the dna of the sumo and of course no signed crown it's a no deal for me.
@@Francis0275
I fully agree.
Perfectly happy with my blue coral Sumo.
Mine has the newer end links, that makes it even better!
Love the new one, it looks a lot like the SLA019 that I'll never be able to afford.
Almost doubled price, not drastic, LOL
The feature that amazes me the most is the movement. In something slightly smaller as the SBDC053 I would go all in with it. Or even the Transocean. Nevertheless I like a lot this new Sumo with the sapphire crystal. Great vid!
Thank you Ian
Hi Bruce,
What can you say about the Sumo Black series 2020 with a huge gap between the case and the strap? I saw a couple of pictures. Around 2mm.
Bruce, how much different is the Marine Master to the SPB101? I like my new Sumo and would now like to add a slimmer refined diver that I can more easily wear with my suits and dress shirts. Any suggestions? My wrist is 8 inches but most comfortable watch size for me is about 42mm. Thanks in advance.
The new font looks like most if not all dive watches out there today, so in realty the old font looks newer?
Hey Bruce, I recently got the Hulk Sumo and absolutely love it. Only place where I am really disappointed is the screw down crown action. It is very tough compared to my Monster and Samurai and sometimes it feels like I'm almost cross threading when I'm screwing it in. Sometimes it'll feel a little stuck and I'll need to back track the screwing in before I do it again. Is it normal for the crown of the sumo to be like this? I'm just a little disappointed to see it so much rougher than watches like the monster and Samurai which are much cheaper
Great review Bruce. I made a purchase on ur review
Thank you for the excellent, well detailed review. I must say about 4 months ago or so, I received the new SPB103 Sumo and the SBDC051 on the same day, and holding them side by side, I immediately had the impression that the 051 was the sweeter, more expensive looking piece, partly because of its domed sapphire and Zoratsu polish. While I love the Sumo case design, on balance the 051 won me over, and I sold the new Sumo. They're both similarly priced.
I definitely understand that Jeff
Jeff I tried on the new Sumo just yesterday and the 051 and I totally agree with you the 051 is a much nicer watch than the new Sumo. As far as my Blumo 033 I prefer that over this new Sumo version.
@@1968jpy That 051 is one of best Seikos they ever made.
Wonderful comparison, many thanks. Recently got a 2nd gen Blumo-Sumo and it is so fantastic. My hesitation for Gen-3 is the smaller hour-marker lume size...who would vote for less lume on a Sumo? e.g. even though the metal ring maybe smaller, they still added that white-filler ring between the lume and the metal. So the hour markers are now as small as the bezel pip? This has me baffled. I really hope that gen4 brings back as much lume as Seiko can sqeeze in. I mean, this is a Sumo...go for the Lume.
I might’ve missed it but you forgot to mention the change in the bezel insert. The new one doesn’t have the bolder font for the numbers and the triangle up top is different
I have dived w sapphire crystals for decades and have never had a failure. I don’t jam my watch into things! I love the fact that the new Sumo has a sapphire crystal. At $500, it would be ridiculous not to have sapphire.
I love hearing this from a diver's perspective. Sapphire is no slouch
But the new one is at $800. sad.
@@BEM_01 I can get it for around $550 us
I own the same blue sumo sbdc069 and now I’m looking to buy another sumo padi spb181j I just love sumos 😍
I love the fit and finish of my Sumo/Blumo but it runs painfully slow over 20s/day hiss Boo. I’m excited about this new one including the power reserve. Hope the 6R35 will be more accurate without having to send it back for adjustments. Thanks for an excellent video (as usual)
Mine is so far +10 second/day. Got mine two days ago. No complain except for the crown action... Very rough compared to the monster or Samurai
It’s a crap shoot with the accuracy- the 2x newer 6r35 movements I’ve had have been less accurate than my 4x 6r15s but with Seiko it really is luck of the draw. If I had a newer one that was off by a lot, I’d be inclined to pay a small fee for it to be regulated if I wore it regularly.
Bezel and crown action differ from one watch to the next. My Sumo's bezel action is great and the crown is smooth as butter. My Turtle not so!
Only thing I don't like is the straps any suggestions which strap looks good ?
For me literally the only problem with the design was the 20mm lug width, when it should have at least 22mm, as found on the Turtle and (smaller) SKX00X. It’s especially noticeable when put on a NATO, and it doesn’t look like they fixed that.
I agree on all counts. My “Blumo” is a keeper.
Hope to see a ceramic King Sumo review soon.
Would you happen to know if a 2nd gen sumo second hand will fit a 3rd gen?
Love your reviews bruce! what do you think is the better everyday watch that can be worn with suits to outdoors? the new sumo or mm200?
mm200 is a bit more dressy imo. I think that would go better with a suit
Can i change the bezel of the new sumo to a ceramic one?
They've changed the dial on the new one slightly. Mainly the date window. There's no white outline, and they've also added a lume at 3 o'clock.
I have a green sla019 marine master. I wonder if I should sell It, buy the green Sumo and pocket the considerable difference?🤔
Love your reviews and videos Bruce. Super professional, great macro shots! I'm planning to buy either new Sumo, or MM200 in February. It would be great to see comparison video of those two. I really can't make decision between those two. Have 7.25" flat wrist measuring 65mm across. Do you have in plan to make such comparison video Bruce? Regards from Croatia!
it would be really cool. I have the hesitation between the new Sumo and the MM200 but I do not know which one I should buy
Interested in what you both chose? I rebought a sbdc033/blumo as I think it’s great value and has so much character but the mm200 (older ones and newer 6r35 models) wear really nice and have bracelets that for me are many levels above the sumo. If you’re wearing it as a one and done watch or your main watch and you want to be able to wear it for smarter occasions than the mm200 is probably the best bet. If (like me) you have a nice watch and need a beater or casual diver for holidays and knocking about the house or going over the football then the blumo does that great and is cheaper- plus I will feel less bad scratching a sumo as it’s a tool watch. The mm200 feels more like a good value desk diver.
@@manuel_winde I bought MM200. It's a nice watch, but I sold it quite quickly because it was kinda plain looking (black dial).
I have the Green Sumo, maybe the Greemo, love the high bezel knurling, don'd think that any other dive watch has the same detailing ?
Did they have to change the Sumo's distinctive bezel? Now, it looks like 'generic dive watch' instead of a true Sumo.
Everyone I've spoken to including WUS freaks agree the smaller font is much more elegant!
@@NathanChisholm041 You've proven my point: the font is generic and appeals to the lowest common denominator.
@@NathanChisholm041 the problem with the new font is that there is more space/blank ont the bezel. Thus the watch does not look well balanced.
I used to prefer 3rd gen but I realized something is unbalanced. Now I prefer the 2nd gen with the fat numbers
I know it is silly but the font on the original turned me off the original...I really like the new one. Thank you for a great comparison video :)
Yep, it's silly! 😁 I don't mind it but it's an odd choice for sure
Good comparison. The new version is not quirky and has better symmetry (and some better components).
Bruce, Your work is outstanding.
I need your help in answering a question that has been nagging me.
I bought the Gen 3 green sumo from a Seiko boutique for approx. $850.
It lists the 6R35 movement, has the toned down font numerals on bezel insert, has the new indices and hands, and that deep green sunburst color. In all respects it matches the gen 3 you reviewed and compared to your blue coral gen 2.
My quandary is nowhere on the case back (or anywhere) does it list "sapphire crystal." Since I know the gen 3 comes with a sapphire crystal, I am perplexed why mine does not anywhere list sapphire crystal. Would you look at your case back and or investigate this issue and advise. Should I be concerned?
Thanks
Albert
maybe ur lucky and got a defect one,they go for way more i think
I agree with you Bruce. It is a shame Seiko have dumbed down and blanderised this original, quirky and bold icon. The original Sumo is loved by many because it dared to be like no other. It attained its cult following because of the unapologetic larger than life case, hands, numerals, pips and nickname. It's sad the new model has lost some of its edge.
how does this compare to the marine master 200
Where can I find factory sapphire for second generation?
Bruce, any hints on where to get that sbbn/tuna can cloth? I need one!
Sorry Ben it was a gift with purchase I think only for the Japan market
The thing that always kept me from buying one was that the bezel looked like it was screaming at you. They've fixed that. So I'll consider this now.
lol accurate way of describing the old font
Bezel action has nothing to do with "old" vs "new". If you go in a store and compare two Turtles of the same generation, made in the same month, the actions will feel completely different. Each spring has small variations that affect how easily the bezel turns, and the noise it makes. There are additional factors like how much you have used your existing Blumo's bezel throughout the time you have owned it.
now i want this!!!!!!
I just got the new green sumo, are these watches anti-magnetic? Will it be safe to put it through the airport machines?
Yes they are ISO rated so Ant-mag 4800
I have the same concern, purchased a JDM model about a month ago, does not live sapphire crystal on the back. Also no longer has the white box around the date but they have added lume to the right of the date window.
I've been told it's to comply with the new ISO divers watch standards. Seiko is revising their divers to follow this.
Strapcode bracelet is super solid I think you already knew.
Skylaber -yeah I got the green 2019 sumo and ditched the bracelet for a strap code oyster. It’s worlds better.
The bracelet is beautifully unmatched with the watch. Strange but true...
I'll pick the 2nd Gen any day...esp. the blue coral... Just like the colours of the dial, the light green tint of the indices and esp. the yellow seconds hand...and the fact that the glass has a slight done appeals to my taste even more.
Darn if only I could get one brand new...
I dunno Bruce, the 70hr power reserve is a game changer for me. I mean you could put your gen1 on a J style bracelet, drop in a sapphire crystal and it would be better, but still only 50hr reserve. I also like the green colour.
I have 6.5 inch wrists Bruce and I just tried this in the local store and im taken away how dressy it looks and honestly wears smaller for me than my sbdc063 (weird i know) and definitely smaller than 62mas. I can get it for $600 usd new i think i will pull the trigger!
I like the sapphire upgrade on the new model. But the other changes are okay. Not digging the more common looking font on the bezel. When you think summo you think big and bold and though the case still says that, the rest does not. Then there is the big elephant in the room... The price increase.. come on, almost 40% increase for a few upgrades... For the money you can get say a Sinn. For about $400.00 morer a Sinn diver or a 104. I guess the plan for Seiko is to go up market, sell less watches for more money. Sorry, I'm a huge fan, have a Sumo, SKX007, Baby Tuna, Sarb033, Turtle 777 a few quartz chronographs, including a perpetual Sportura SSC359. And one of my grail watches.. The Emperor Tuna SBDX014. But no more.. going to move over to more value packed Microbrands or up to Sinn or Fortis. Love Seiko but not their market moves.
New Seiko are going up in price and selling like never before. Seiko knows what the market will support... we may not like it
Beautiful
I like the original better. Just my $.02. I own a Gen-1 Blumo. I have received several compliments on it. I wonder if this means they are gonna pull the plug on Sumo Gen-1 soon.
Everyone, for years and years now: Seiko, *PLEASE* give us an affordable 4hz movement to rival the Miyota 9015.
No one
Literally no one: I want more power reserve than the 6R15 has.
Seiko: We made a 6R15 with more power reserve.
the 6r35 is not a 6r15 at all. The movement was developed by a swiss brand with seiko and doesn't use the magic lever and isn't plagued by low end seiko movement problems. This is the only seiko movement i would even look at.
@@android61242Where can I find that info about the movement? Thank you
Nope. I'm going to continue buying homages until Seiko starts giving us factory ceramic bezel inserts and double domed sapphire crystals on everything $500+.
Right? And a pressed clasp at $500 is insane
And screwed links for the bracelet. I'm tired of losing thise microscopic collars
And at max 40mm
Sam Shalati So you’re not actually buying watches, you’re buying lists of specs. That’s cool
@@brianball1877 wait what theres a better watch that doesn't have a pressed clasp that's under 500 that's not Chinese....where
Will this look weird on a 6 inch wrist?
More windings on the main spring, sapphire crystal. Price doubled. Not drastic? How much is Seiko paying you?
If u have 2 option between mm200 and the new sumo. Which one u will choose ? Thx
Honestly I'm not sure, I think they both have their strengths. Probably the new sumo
Why choose the sumo better than the mm200 ?
I like the size, fit, movement, and handset more. I like the applied markers more on the 200
Bruce. You are one of my absolute role models on youtube, I would be so happy if you had a look at my (EUROPEAN FIRST!) hands on of the NEW Black Series Sumo & Chrono, and let me know what you think..😊😊🙌🏼🙏🏼. Published last night!
Looks really great and is original but should have sapphire crystal 😎
They want $1300 AUD for the Gen 3 sumo, I got my Hulk Sumo at a discount from an AD, Got it serviced under warranty at Seiko Australia, I like the green Dial in the sun + The 6r35 movement
Anyone knows if the 6R35 have any better positional accuracy than the 6R15?
By far!
Really wish they would make a 40mm black dial version of the new sumo
seiko got no love for small wrist guys. :(
But is it really a "sumo" if it isn't oversize?
thedemonnemo Seiko never called it a sumo
@@thedemonnemo they can call it whatever they like just give us an higher tier alternative to skx013 and "mini turtle".
Hey Bruce, review the new Sieko alpinist! Would love to hear your views on it? I love it!
If I can borrow one I absolutely will!
Hey, Bruce, how does the green of the new Sumo compare to the green of the new Marinemaster 300 SLA019J1?
Correction at 5:02 - 6R15 has 23 jewels, 6R35 had 24.
that green holy shit the color by itself worth 300
Always comes back to that stamped clasps just make it feel cheap .
I feel the same way too. Awesome looking watch otherwise
I put a strapcode hexad oyster on mine. Gorgeous.
You do realize there no functional advantage between a milled clasp are stamp . I have watches with both and on the wirst I can't tell the difference and nobody that sees the watch on your wirst would know are could care less . I guess it's just popular on youtube to bitch about it
Personally, I don’t get the thing against press clasps... all my vintage watches, including Heuer and Rolex, have them. I clip them on, forget about it and just enjoy the watch.
@@edteach3r well said
The green version is really nice.. But.. the real Sumo is for me the SBDC001..
SausNRW I own the sbdc033 and I just yesterday tried on a new Sumo at a jewelers in Columbia Maryland and the newer Sumo’s are nice but the older Sumo’s are king and to me much better than this new Sumo.
How is it called a diver without a lume pip at "3"? Again they skimped on the bracelet. You're right, there is a lot of competition at this price! Beautiful finishing though.
I like the old bezel a lot more. Those numbers just stand out in such a nice way.
The old numbers make the watch look cheap.
The coral blue sumo is still the most beautiful sumo ever released.
Agreed.
@@e28forever30 Of course you and I are biased 😁👍
The SUMO got its name from bezel "fat font" the new reduce font may have not synchronized with the cult name SUMO. IMHO this new upgraded may not appeal to some old-timer because of: additional of stupid "X", unsigned "S" crown
I reckon the bezel of the old sumo is more prominent and bolder. Seiko has watered down the Sumo just like they did with the new Monster....
I don't own any Seiko watches in my collection. So many choices !
Really nice comparison. Love the sumo. But the alignment issues makes me sick. Again on your new sumo at 6 o clock. I sold mine because of the misaligned chapter Ring and im not lusting for a new one any more.
Returned my turtle for the same reason but luckily found an aligned new sumo at my dealer :D
Hoe accurate is the 6R15 ?
What kind of bracelet you folks recommended on this sumo ? This bracelet is not stellar on this price range.. :(
Nice, but I still prefer my Samurai over the Sumo.
When sumo Pepsi 3rg gen?
hiBruce and everyone you said that both movments have 24 jewels it is not, 6R15 mov. it s 23 jewles 6R35 it s 24 jewles
Bruce is there a mod to change out the bezel to ceramic on the new range
Yes but you do not have the same font and no inside bevel
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Love the watch, however, Seiko is starting to price them selves out of competition.
@@Xithz you're absolutely right.
Maybe so but they are selling like never before so they know what they can get away with
@@BruceWilliams exactly Bruce ,these guys are gonna have to realize that seiko is going up scale gone are the days of cheap department store seikos
Agree. The new SKX is junk.
What competition? They filled the gap between where they were and entry level Swiss. While I am not a fan of the new sumo or the old sumo, it’s just the case design for me, find me a better watch under $1000 than the MM200?
The Sumo was a tremendous value for under $500. I don't like the new font. I don't like the new hands. I don't need sapphire or ceramic. Is the new movement more accurate? And I don't like the SIXTY PERCENT price hike. I like my 031 better.
I have to say I’m not bowled over by the new Sumo. It’s more expensive than it should be, which kills the Sumo’s value factor to me. I owned an SBDC031 black Sumo, and for its price, it offered Baby Marine Master quality for slightly more than Turtle and Samurai money. I only sold mine because it was a little too big for my wrist (wrist contour was excellent, though).
I still own mine. I personally don't mind its size.