Best Dual PC Streaming Set Up With Elgato 4K60 Pro Mk 2! - P1xelPerfect

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  • Here is an easy, 5-minute tutorial on how to set up a Dual PC streaming set up while retaining high refresh rates of 144hz or higher! Using the Elgato 4k60 Pro MK2, this will cover where to send your game footage, where to send your game audio, as well as where to plug in your mic and headphones to hear notifications, music, discord and more!
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    0:00 - Intro
    0:25 - Hardware Outline
    1:03 - Gaming PC Set Up
    2:20 - Streaming PC Set Up
    4:54 - Recap

ความคิดเห็น • 431

  • @P1xelPerfect
    @P1xelPerfect  4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    EDIT: Capture card MUST go in your streaming pc! Sorry I didn’t say this in the video, it didn’t even cross my mind! haha
    See? Easy peasy. If you need any more help just join the discord to get started! discord.gg/FqnxG8f
    If you want to get your mic into your game chat watch this! th-cam.com/video/cAwbLDLTTwg/w-d-xo.html

    • @MarvelousDream
      @MarvelousDream 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolute legend. Thank you so much. Question: for the edid or edd yours is set to “merged” and mine defaulted “internal” should I change that? Also, idk if you have another video to discuss like how you use the line for your audio and stuff.

    • @P1xelPerfect
      @P1xelPerfect  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think I have it set to merged currently, I’d have to look. If you look at my 1 mic 2 pc streaming video I talk about how my specific audio is routed as opposed to the video

    • @edgarmiranda4353
      @edgarmiranda4353 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I need some help please

    • @JordanKPaul
      @JordanKPaul 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      welp.... I wish I came down here before I made my purchases. I was attempting to setup a intel NUc as my streaming PC. I installed the 4k60 pro into the gaming PC... not gonna lie mostly because I thought that's what you meant in the video. guess I'll try to return the NUC and get a lower end full desktop PC. that was a full 2 days full of stress wondering why it wasn't working properly

    • @squiddstv
      @squiddstv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JordanKPaul the whole thing is ridiculous

  • @meleciomartinez3513
    @meleciomartinez3513 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    OMG! You are the man! Ive been trying to figure this out forever! I wish this would have been the first video I ran into! Thank you so much!!!

  • @grimie22
    @grimie22 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Short, to the point! Good info for anyone needing a quick how to!

  • @dawgfightgaming7757
    @dawgfightgaming7757 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much for the Awesome Walk though! Fast and answered all my Questions that other Good Vids didn't. Great Work

  • @schneckgaming8443
    @schneckgaming8443 ปีที่แล้ว

    i'm a french beginner streamer, you're tutorial is awesome! thank's bro!

  • @BenHasAKeyblade
    @BenHasAKeyblade 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’m about to do this and you have it down! My exact setup except I’m using the GoXLR. Thank you!

  • @MawsYT
    @MawsYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I did what you said for audio but I am still not hearing anything through my headphones on my streaming pc. The desktop audio meter is not going up and down either.
    EDIT: Figured it out. You have to click the settings button next to the 4k60 Pro, press properties, then down at the bottom you should see "Audio Output Mode" then in the dropdown, select "output desktop audio (directsound)" then hit done.

    • @whygull9976
      @whygull9976 ปีที่แล้ว

      did this nothing happened, must be something else for me

  • @Nick-rx4ty
    @Nick-rx4ty 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the most helpful video i found on yt thxx

  • @xtgcosmic4128
    @xtgcosmic4128 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Don’t know what you said that made me get this to work but you are a life saver

  • @murkfpshub
    @murkfpshub 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your production quality is INSANE

  • @Par2Pixel
    @Par2Pixel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you still to this day thank you for this video

  • @Urbrainongaming
    @Urbrainongaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    FANTASTIC video

  • @shakogamer9999
    @shakogamer9999 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank you so much is working to me

  • @Z3D_
    @Z3D_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great content :)

  • @niironics4909
    @niironics4909 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi P1xelPerfect. I have an issue with my 4k60 pro. I did the same thing as you. As I go to my streaming PC and download 4k Capture Utilty and run it on 1080p240 the screen is like green and flickering. I dont know why. Pls help.

  • @MrMineral
    @MrMineral 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How will this work if I have a 1440p gaming monitor & a 1080p other monitor on stream pc? Thanks

  • @SOURxDEEZ
    @SOURxDEEZ ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you! Subbed, still working on these things but working hard at it lol

    • @P1xelPerfect
      @P1xelPerfect  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If ya need help hop in discord!

    • @SOURxDEEZ
      @SOURxDEEZ ปีที่แล้ว

      @@P1xelPerfect thanks. I’ve watched a handful of your videos. Going to test run later. If it doesn’t work out I’ll reach out.

  • @VRCentral
    @VRCentral ปีที่แล้ว

    So I am trying to get my monitor from my desktop to display onto my laptop but it doesnt seem to show up as a device. But my laptop screen shows up on my desktop when I try to do the reverse

  • @TMSTER
    @TMSTER 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you

  • @GoddessAmaterasu
    @GoddessAmaterasu 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video :D

  • @AnimosityX
    @AnimosityX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro, I never seen how you connected anything to the streaming lab top or desktop from the capture card?

  • @DeadP47
    @DeadP47 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you! Now I'm really interested in your OBS Settings/Call of Duty Settings, because your gameplay is buttery smooth on Twitch.

    • @P1xelPerfect
      @P1xelPerfect  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Idk if you saw my video but I uploaded a best twitch settings video as well!

  • @scom_gd
    @scom_gd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do I need to have my headphones plugged into my streaming pc or my gaming pc?

  • @slaphappy1574
    @slaphappy1574 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the vid, in your Elgato 4k Capture Utility, your input EDI Mode is set to merged. Most guides I've seen they state to set this to internal.
    Can you advise which we should be using?

  • @DenKiDaTa
    @DenKiDaTa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    you are awesome thank you!!!!!!!!!!

  • @skuII
    @skuII 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    guess i dint need to waste hours on voicemeter. thanks bro this is much easier!

    • @P1xelPerfect
      @P1xelPerfect  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You’re welcome! I wanted to try and do the simplest and easiest routing possible for this so not using any unnecessary software!

  • @Chiefyyy
    @Chiefyyy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi,
    So I’ve got a 4k60 pro but I’m experiencing a couple of problem.
    1. If I’m recording my games on the 4kutility there’s only my voice and no chat, no game sounds.
    2. I’f I’m streaming my recording device is lagging or i’m experiencing frame drop on my actual stream please can you help me with this.
    Cheers love your guide!

  • @lobishift5127
    @lobishift5127 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ok so display goes to gaming monitor and a hdmi to the "IN" on the capture card but what i want to know is do I use display port on my streaming pc or hdmi from the out of capture card and in to the streaming monitor?

  • @jdiamatti
    @jdiamatti 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got my mk.2 coming in tomorrow.. have a 2 pc setup with a goxlr for my sm7b. Hoping the audio portion isn't too complex.

  • @juanroman7083
    @juanroman7083 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey man great video ! I just have one question, I’m also using a display port out and an hdmi to the stream pc. When i do this my game is very lagging and audio is horrible. My question is would my capture card in my gaming pc not be good enough because it is putting out two displays ? Or could it be something else ? When i use two hdmis and go pass through its a lot better quality it still not as good if i eliminate the stream pc all together.

  • @TeamSqueegee
    @TeamSqueegee 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do i need 2 capture cards if I want dual pc AND ps4 streaming? Also I plant to ise jist 1 monitor that has 2 display port inputs and 1 hdmi input. (crg90 monitor with pic by pic).
    Id like to be able to turn on ps4 when console streaming, and then just turn it off when pc streaming.

  • @PIxelTreeTV
    @PIxelTreeTV ปีที่แล้ว

    When i use this setup i can't change my audio to my headset on the streaming pc it just reverts back to the elgato cap card instantly, then seems to have a slight delay on the audio i'm hearing.

  • @bigob9359
    @bigob9359 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If i Ever see you in person expect a big hug and kiss! Its been 2 weeks of me trying to get it working and it took you 3 Mins to explain. Thank you!😘

  • @ballisticloll
    @ballisticloll 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok so i need help with something so when everythings hooked up and i launch my game it goes black for a second and normally u know how if ur full screen ur cursor becomes bigger well it doesnt anymore and whenever i press Windows key and task bar pops up my game crashes! Any idea what to do????

  • @B_Rak18
    @B_Rak18 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey man, great videos and I feel like I followed this one to a T but when I fired up Warzone, the audio I was getting was lagging..can you tell me where I possibly messed up the settings?

  • @ShredXX
    @ShredXX 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where do I put the legato 4k60 pro gaming of or streaming any body help

  • @ninjacalpone751
    @ninjacalpone751 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    so how do we capture the display from our streaming pc?? do i connect my streaming pc to the elgatos HDMI Out?? to the GPU ORRR?????????????

  • @Yessir74680
    @Yessir74680 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So once you put in your elgato in OBS, you don't touch the other settings that's listed in OBS under video capture device?

  • @JamesZerf
    @JamesZerf ปีที่แล้ว

    thanksc foprb ur help

  • @andross182
    @andross182 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    does display duplication work for 1440 @ 144hz?

  • @MrScottDavidMcDonald
    @MrScottDavidMcDonald 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, m8 how you are able to change refresh rate on ''monitor'' Elgato? It's not possible on my it's just gray on resolutions and on refresh rate so it's not possible to change there anything.

  • @IONASH01
    @IONASH01 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I cant get it to hear the streaming pc, I dont know what Im doing wrong but I cant find out, Im using optical cable from goxlr in gaming pc and goxlr usb in streaming pc, what do I do wrong, please help

  • @richarddookhoo2023
    @richarddookhoo2023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Has anyone ever done a full setup video from start to finish hooking up wires and then doing the programming and setting up?

    • @jonathandoe7490
      @jonathandoe7490 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Would be the most watched video on this subject period

  • @gangjob7000
    @gangjob7000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm having trouble having the el gato pick up my friends voices when i play video games with them. It doesn't pick up them talking so my video recording is me just talking to what seems like no one. I have yet to find a solution to this and no one has any content on how to physically step by step do this. Any help?

  • @fendera7559
    @fendera7559 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have dual system and 4k60 pro. i have not graphic card on streaming pc . can i stream with h.264 (cpu) only? ,without gpu? i have gpu only on main gaming pc.

  • @alexvillegas2369
    @alexvillegas2369 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    got it to work, but seems quality of the game audio got lowered? any way to fix?

  • @Randoms12468
    @Randoms12468 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do I need any extra equipment to connect multiple monitors through 2 pc? I have 3 monitors and will want at least one of them on my streaming PC. To be able to switch from pc to pc will I need anything with my cursor

  • @justsaying3176
    @justsaying3176 ปีที่แล้ว

    hows the audio if i dont have xlr mic? i am running my audio on dual pc via voicemeeter and i cant change the audio to elgato as playback device i am planning to buy a capturecard because im having audio desync using ndi + voicemeeter. trying to find a solution or maybe use capturecard and with voice meeter. cant spend all same time for capturecard / xlr mic and audio interface etc

  • @isramikram5798
    @isramikram5798 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why my 4k 60pro mk2 lopping the image??

  • @mylesbetter7115
    @mylesbetter7115 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how can you open 4k utility if you have duplicated the gaming pc, I have a monitor for my gaming pc and one for the streaming pc

  • @Ghostcopykage
    @Ghostcopykage 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You talked about discord how do you hear them in discord if it’s on your streaming pc, I use discord on my game pc but my stream can’t hear people talking in discord

  • @crowlehhh
    @crowlehhh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did all of this to a T except I use streamlabs and it wont work. Only way I can get it to work is in properties under my el gato and doing the direct sound option. feels like a slight delay though

  • @DeathDeclined
    @DeathDeclined 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if you play a game and it using the res of the elgato and not ur monitor? I have a 1080p elgato and 1440p monitor but the game I play reads my capture card as my monitor and keeps downscaling my monitor in game to 1080p… anyone know how to fix this for a 2 pc setup please help.

  • @natetwardy305
    @natetwardy305 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aye man could please walk me through how to do this ? I am having so many Issues with my dual pc setup

  • @rmjohnson144
    @rmjohnson144 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whoa, wait a minute! OSB? How do I setup my capture card in sources on my recording PC? It comes up blank for "Video Capture Device" and my elgato drive was preinstalled by, assuming Windows Update?

  • @in_10s
    @in_10s 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please help I’ve an Elgato Hd60s and stream deck with a streaming laptop and gaming pc, how can I make that work so I can stream and record my gameplay

  • @Pawasino
    @Pawasino 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    magic

  • @ltrt3359
    @ltrt3359 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, any reason why my Elgato connector is showing up as a DVI and not a HDMI?

  • @LOMIN
    @LOMIN 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    instead of cloning display - can I use an hdmi splitter? I heard that clone display adds input lag.

  • @kogunae
    @kogunae ปีที่แล้ว

    how come i do everything and it’s all setup up properly and in NVCP (nvidia control panel) it says my elgato is on 240 hz but in advanced display settings in windows it’ll be on either 60-144hz and when i put that on 240hz also the elgato doesn’t pick the signal up bc if that’s on 60-144 wouldn’t it make the main monitor down scale to those numbers instead of it being at 240. plus both monitors are 1080p my stream pc monitor is a 75hz and the gaming pc monitor is a 240 but i’m someone that has the exact setup and works fine

  • @Dirkdigglerdan
    @Dirkdigglerdan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm trying to get In-Game chat and Game sound from my Gaming PC over to my Streaming PC/Xsplit. Bonus points if you can help get my Woojer Vest to work as well.

  • @franciscoguardado773
    @franciscoguardado773 ปีที่แล้ว

    @1:30 , for me my monitor is on the right and the elgato is on the left. My main monitor is always greyed out. When I play MW2, in game settings the only monitor it lets me use is the elgato because for some reason the elgato is forcing control over my setup. How do I fix this? Spent several days. my main monitor is 1440p 240 and elgato i prefer 1440p but im not sure if thats whats causing issues. WHen i make elgato 1080p, it does the same issue so ive been doing research like crazy with no solutions.

  • @TheSharpy1012
    @TheSharpy1012 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you stop sound from playing on your Gaming Monitor AND my Headphones... (I want headphones only and none of what you said works)

  • @noob_gaim3bot656
    @noob_gaim3bot656 ปีที่แล้ว

    you know what would be really helpful if you added the same thing works for hd60pro or if not how to make it work

  • @CrazySeekerYT
    @CrazySeekerYT 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Elgato 4K60 pro mk2 setup at 1080p144Hz with cloned display, when I launch game in full screen or minimize game, elgato show 'no signal' for a brief moment 5-6sec, will appreciate a solution this issue. btw game pc has gtx1060 and 1080p144Hz monitor connected through display port.
    Thanks

  • @TK-sd5dd
    @TK-sd5dd ปีที่แล้ว

    Where do I connect my headphones in this method, in my gaming or in my streaming pc ?

  • @justsaying3176
    @justsaying3176 ปีที่แล้ว

    bro any workaround if i put my mic to stream pc.. means that i will only be able to talk to discord and stream... what about in-game comms?

  • @wendell.vldres
    @wendell.vldres 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im my case, on gaming PC doesnt appear Elgato1080HDR playback device, what im doing wrong?

  • @Thewairon
    @Thewairon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have 1 question if i can use my discord in my gaming pc can i share the sound for the streaming pc? :)

  • @GlutneyGG
    @GlutneyGG 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So my monitor shows up on the right and my Elgato shows up on the left. Is that ok or do I need to change something

  • @chief6243
    @chief6243 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here's a fix for a problem i was having just disconnect second monitor from elgato and you dont have issues with different monitor refresh rates and resolutions. And you free up that monitor for OBS and your streaming browser. Hope it helps anyone else having that problem

  • @Benham1
    @Benham1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why is it when i turn off free sync every thing disappears on my desktop. Then when I enable free sync every thing comes back?

  • @ditaticudorel
    @ditaticudorel ปีที่แล้ว

    hi
    i need two pc ? one for streaming ... one for games ori is possible only one ? Tanks in advance

  • @imrin4059
    @imrin4059 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi I saw husker using 1440p 240hz monitor and using dual pc stream with 4k60mk2. but there is no info or video out. doesn elgato know or can help me how to do it?

  • @cdntitan5056
    @cdntitan5056 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My capture card and my monitor are swapped and it feels slightly off can anyone help me to swap them around? I followed the steps and it’s showing how it was in the video

  • @trizumafk
    @trizumafk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I change my audio device to ELGATO, I cannot hear any sound through my headphones

  • @ShredXX
    @ShredXX 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    do i put the cable in the capture card in or out

  • @lweedaa7297
    @lweedaa7297 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, just saw your video. Before I finish ordering all my streaming equipement, I wonder if there is any gameplay audio delay/lag (say for competitive) doing it this way ? Since it has to go trough elgato and streaming PC which might be running a lot of stuff and in my case not that powerful. Thanks for the help ! Cheers

    • @P1xelPerfect
      @P1xelPerfect  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So there’s about a 15-20ms delay with the audio monitoring. It’s almost not noticeable, but if you are doing audio sync games like clone hero/guitar hero etc then you can’t do this method. I have since changed my dual pc method after making this video but it’s a bit more pricey

  • @sketteoz
    @sketteoz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I’m on a 1080p 240hz monitor with HD60S+ can I still stream 1080p?

  • @toycrusaders5720
    @toycrusaders5720 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I do this my gaming PC and the game begin to get audio and visual lag. Any tips?

  • @alivy69
    @alivy69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro help me! I got a dual monitor and mine doesnt work. Anyone

  • @JedLR1945
    @JedLR1945 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    @p1xelPerfect
    Duplicate displays will not work for HDR! How to still use the HDR option without duplicating these displays?

  • @casualchamp1614
    @casualchamp1614 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Got mine to work. On a single pc setup lol. My game crashes non stop though:(

  • @ethanhimes3306
    @ethanhimes3306 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So do u have your headphones connected to ur stream pc or gaming pc because I can’t hear the games when I’m on them

  • @DeadChr0me
    @DeadChr0me ปีที่แล้ว

    the problem with that. is there is a delay. when the audio is being sent from the game pc to the capture card. then the capture card has to process that audio send it to OBS then obs has to figure out what to do with it. its going to add delay. if u play any competition shooter. this is not the way to do it

  • @projectzeus
    @projectzeus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    how do i do this at 240hz ? can only get 144hz to show

  • @TheRealDocJ_TTV
    @TheRealDocJ_TTV 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m still getting zero audio from the game pc. The bar shows audio is moving but nothing is coming out I can’t see where it is tripped up at

  • @antwonStark
    @antwonStark 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone else getting an audio delay through their headphones. I've tried so many audio methods but the audio is still delayed!

  • @munakim1
    @munakim1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m running a dual pc setup but my resolution is 2560x1440 1440hz and I’m getting massive screen tearing unless I open up obs + Elgato recording software… on the streaming rig! Please help me fix this… it’s driving me nuts

  • @TucciFx
    @TucciFx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    would i be able to do this with the astro a50s?

  • @KindaCoolKyleGaming
    @KindaCoolKyleGaming ปีที่แล้ว

    What if you’re using the capture card that is not in the computer?

  • @XKG_MR_JROCK_X
    @XKG_MR_JROCK_X 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice vid bro I have a question to see if someone can answer Can I install 2 El Gato 4k Mk.2 Capture Cards Into 1 Gaming PC and Stream on 2 Seperate softwares (example Stream Labs OBS and OBS studio ) with 2 Monitors for 2 Different consoles (Xbox and PlayStation)

  • @recklessent1860
    @recklessent1860 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if I have wired hyper clouds?

  • @Kidstertipsandtricks
    @Kidstertipsandtricks 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You outlined a problem that is common, which is the refresh rate being greyed out on the nvidia control panel. Why did you assume it wouldn't be greyed out if it was to you?

  • @christiansalinas7917
    @christiansalinas7917 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for all the help bro but how we can use the microphone on the streaming pc and gaming pc?

    • @P1xelPerfect
      @P1xelPerfect  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m currently making a video on this! The Tl;DR of it is three ways: have two mics/have one mic with two interfaces/use NDI from streaming to gaming pc.

  • @WCollins041791
    @WCollins041791 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool Video

  • @InSaiyanShinobi
    @InSaiyanShinobi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a Yamaha mg12xu and a elgato hd60 pro mark1 older version and a shure mic how can I get my mic and my headset to work on both PCs if anyyyyy one here can show me how to do this or set this up I’m willing to pay dead ass.

  • @blakedmc1989RaveHD
    @blakedmc1989RaveHD 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    for tha sound, it's better to enable stereo mix and set tha stereo mix to tha capture card, i had to do it with my AverMedia GC573 capture card

  • @tomasm6228
    @tomasm6228 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    headphones have to go on pc streaming?

  • @cl1pz856
    @cl1pz856 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I use 60hz everything is working, if i change it to 144hz sound is stuttering as hell. Any tips?