ALSO the 1650 will work. Mistake on my part. POINT OF CLARIFICATION: You're not limited to 2 outputs for the video feed. In this tweet I have a screenshot showing it in 3 different apps at once! twitter.com/EposVox/status/1164272177690157056 I hope you found the ending amusing. It wasn't quite as amusing to finish my edit and then check Twitter and see that.. 🎤 SPONSOR: ModMic Wireless - antlionaudio.com/?TH-cam&Eposvox&ModMic 🎤 TIMECODES: 00:00 Intro 01:30 History & Context 03:28 Review Disclosures 03:52 Hardware 05:51 Secret Trick 07:16 Capture Specs 11:17 Setting It Up 14:05 Software 20:05 Why 4K? 21:26 HDR?! 23:28 Playing HDR 24:23 Editing HDR 25:38 Retro Setups 26:05 Other Options 27:28 Conclusion
Bro i have an i7 4770, 16GB ram, 525gb SSD crucial and RX580 4GB, obviously i can not stream good quality with this setup, so i wanted to buy an RX 5700 XT, but also i want to consider the elgato HD60 PRO to stream and record. Will i benefite with this setup from the HD60 PRO or is just a waste of money for me????
I have a 5820k and 1080 in my backup PC. I notice you said intel 6th gen. I wasn't sure if this had to do with the encoding or differences in drivers or more a performance cut off recommendation? Would my HEDT intel chip work?
HAHAHA that ending. It's so much fun, finishing an edit, being very happy with your well-rounded opinion and decision on whether to recommend a device... all to have something invalidate it riiiiight before you hit render.
2020: "Why 4K? Who needs 4K?" 2008: "Why 720p? Who would ever need that?" Things change, mah dudes. Be on top of things and your videos will age like fine wine instead of milk.
yeah because there aren't limitations of video and perception. properly shot and or converted 720p is still perfectly fine for most video. we do not need talking head videos at 4k. never did.
Nope, not even close. In 2008, most people already had monitors with higher-than-720p resolution. In 2021, 1080p is the dominant monitor resolution, and lower-than-1080p is more common than higher-than-1080p. In the steam hardware survey, which skews above the average, only about 2.5% of computers have 4K screens.
Just wanted to say I'm using this capture card in a dual PC streaming setup and the specs listed are definitely NOT a hard requirement. My gaming PC has a GTX 2080ti, 32GB 3200mhz ram, and an i7 8700k CPU. My streaming PC however only has an i7 3770k, 16GB 2600mhz ram, and a GTX 1050ti graphics card. I'm able to Play games at 1080p, 240hz on my Alienware monitor with the amazing 240hz passthrough capability on this card, and I can stream and record easily at 1080p60hz with NVENC without it even causing a hiccup. I just want people to know that you DO NOT need a current gen system, or even the listed specs to actually use this card with great results. Elgato support told me directly that my system would not work, so I bought the card and tried it anyway and I'm very pleased I did.
Requirements always have essentially some amount of headroom built in to them, and are meant to cover all different uses like capturing 4K 60fps directly in the 4K Capture Utility software, streaming different resolutions, and other activities on the computer. So yes some can use this card with a slightly older system, but I still would ask people not to pick one up unless they meet the listed requirements. Sometimes specs are not simply performance related but newer platforms have advantages, and not everyone has their system optimized for capturing or has a dedicated system. If they are capturing a console, they may have only one PC which is running other software they need at the time. Many more factors at play.
@@SirCrest I understand your point. I just recall Elgato support stating that my system would be guaranteed insufficient for the specific use case I gave them and they were definitely wrong about that. I'm sure if I were streaming in 4k, or only had a single PC, my story would be different. I have tried streaming directly on my gaming PC and even that did not provide the Experience I was looking for.
If anyone sees this, GeForce GTX 10XX is **NOT** the bottom requirement. I’ve seen it run on a GTX 970ti and I am currently running it flawlessly with a GTX 980ti.
Hi can you help ? I have a Gaming PC and specs are : Core i9 9900k, GTX 2080 ti EXTREME, 32 GB RAM but still it's not enough to record 4k 60 fps gaming on OBS Classic, it takes too much space and it lags so if i use this capture card will it help ?
@@EposVox Thanks for quick reply Can you tell me the settings of obs ? i've tried all settings from TH-cam tutorials, Some setting takes too much space like 20 minutes of 4k gameplay will take 100GB plus and when i use settings from different TH-cam video, the recorded gameplay video from obs drops the frame and it lags I want more than average 4k video quality that takes less space, takes more power of gpu instead of cpu ( less cpu intensive ), smooth gameplay with zero framedrops ( I'm using Logitech 4k webcam, BlueYeti Pro mic and recording gameplays with maxed out graphics with all these devices on OBS classic software ) Just need to know what will be best from my pc.....
@Goblin Slayer I have amd rx 6900 xt, and Ryzen 9 5950x and it sucks for recording. It's good if you record 5-6 minute video, after that the stutter is coming...
Hey there! I just got this card, but for some reason gameplay recorded in 4K Capture Utility is shorter than it's recorded in OBS. Separate game and voice audio tracks are fine and can be synced to my stream/facecam recordings from OBS, but the video gets more out of sync the longer gameplay is. Tried it without the obs - the problem stays the same. After 1:19:27 of playing game I get the same length for separate audio files and 1:19:14 for the video file. And if you sync it in the beginning - it gets desynced randomly throughout the footage
What kind of hard drive would you use with this? If the file sizes are huge wouldn't this kill a dedicated SSD in a pretty short amount of time for an active youtuber ?
So, something that “May” work in your situation. AMD has an application called AMD Radeon RAMdisk. It can reserve a maximum of 64GB of memory. Unless you’re recording insane amounts video, you maybe be able to use that as scratch content. I use it all the time when I’m spinning up a temporary VM and don’t feel like on my SSD’s
You can record 4K to an HDD as long as that HDD is purely for storage and isn't your OS drive. If anything, recording to RAID 0 HDDs is also a good idea for speed increases.
I'll answer that like the only professional, as usual with these garbage clickbait channels, as it's something I do with the HD60 Pro. It only does 1080 so I'm looking to upgrade. Unfortunately I ended up here. If you plug the GPU HDMI out in to it you'll get an infinitely better capture quality than OBS. I've tried every combination in OBS and the quality is always garbage. I smashed the HD60 up to 60mbps (max) writing to an M3 and the quality was perfect. I even watched it back on my 4k and it was clearer than 75mbps 4k capture in OBS. The Elgato PCI line is worth every penny. In terms of performance, there's almost no loss. When capturing the Elgato app uses about 350mb RAM. It's nothing. Barely any CPU power. If you turn off live playback and disable preview it will use 1% to 3% GPU resources. Actual GPU, it will use no GPU RAM. That's me running on an old, near bottom end, GTX 1060. So I can play a game on the same machine I'm capturing on and have near 0% system resource impact, unlike with OBS which uses a ton of resouces and the video still comes out garbage...
Around 8:40 you mention the lower 4:2:0 color resolution of the 4K60 Pro in comparison the to AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K, do you know if the firmware and driver update Elgato released since then actually enables 4:4:4 video output or is it still emulated? This is important to me since I capture mainly PC GUI interfaces and not games, so visual fringing would be very noticeable to me and would be a reason I would choose the Live Gamer 4K over the 4K60 Pro. You also touched on how the Elgato stretched a 4:3 1024x768 resolution image to widescreen. I'm often capturing retro PC's at resolutions of 640x480, 720x400 (MS-DOS), 800x600, and 1024x768. Do you have any experience with either the Live Gamer 4K or 4K60 Pro at these lower resolutions, and would you recommend one over the other for someone capturing mostly PC output?
Yes the update enables full 444 and 422 now. Both cards are likely to stretch those resolutions, only option that won’t is Magewell - but you can apply the aspect ratio correction filter in OBS to put it back
Ah okay, and thanks for the quick response. Besides those two, are there any other capture devices that support 4:4:4 color resolution that you know of, or any other devices you'd recommend for capturing PC output, even if they don't support 4:4:4?
After seeing your section on requirements, I had to do some research, to which I found that this card does in fact work with AMD GPUs. It needs an RX Vega or better, and this info can not only be found on several etailer sites, but also on the Elgato FAQ section. This is good news for me, as my RX 5700 8GB will handle the workload flawlessly, alongside the rest of my PC's hardware. Btw, have you tested this card out, to see how well it works for capturing 4K video footage from a camera? That's the primary reason I want it, so that I can get the best quality video recording in OBS or other software, and won't be bothering with an X1 or PS4 as that part doesn't interest me.
Have you tried it with an AMD card? The problem with AMD cards (being an AMD fan myself) is that the encoders are buggy and not very good quality. From what I remember the H265 encoder is pretty good... but useless for live streaming.
Just as a mention, Magewell capture cards have been doing multi-application access for some time. I'd spoken with Elgato a while back, asked if the feature was possible, and argued the case for its inclusion in a more consumer price-point product. Really awesome that they got it in and working though; as mentioned in the video, it's excellent for recording 'clean' gameplay-only footage for later editing. As I don't have a 4K60 v2 to test, are you able to access the device at different resolutions+framerates simultaneously, as with Magewell cards?
I'm getting screen tearing in Streamlabs OBS, 4K Capture Utility, etc.. on my streaming PC. Whether I'm recording or streaming, it is VERY noticable. The Elgato is cloned with my 1080p 144Hz monitor on my gaming PC, everything looks good on that front. The Elgato is also set to 1080p 144Hz, and the source input in 4K Capture Utility registers as 1080p 144Hz properly. Only thing wrong is my recordings, or my live gameplay, has bad screen tearing. Any ideas? Streaming PC Specs: - i7 7700k - EVGA GeForce GTX 1050ti - 16 GB RAM - EVGA 650W PSU - MSI Z270 Plus mobo
13:52 I swear, I was able to put the Resolution to 1920x1080p when my input was a 4K Signal. I reinstalled my driver trying to fix an issue I had... the recordings would lose fps, but the game runs butter smooth. Well, by uninstalling the driver and reinstalling it by simply rebooting my computer, somehow this does not work for me in OBS anymore. Setting another resolution than what actually comes in results for me into a Green Output. I cannot find anything regarding this issue... and am just lost at what to do. Maybe you have an idea?... Help? Please?
Just got to the point where I'm capable of doing a dual pc set up for streaming but didn't want to sacrifice my high refresh rate for gaming, glad I found your video with the solutions!
I just got the 4K60 Pro Mk.2 and was wondering on the Xbox do you change the colour depth/space? if so what are the settings you are using? I been posting comparison between mk1 and mk2 on elgato reddit. But for some reason my captures became darker but with slightly better colours.
I was looking for the correct answer why when Capturing HDR was so slow exactly how you shown on this video. Now I finally got it, I only use the capture card to record from my PS4 Pro, my computer is not that powerful, just a Ryzen 5 2400G with a Nvidia Geforce GTX1060 Super 6GB. Records fine in 4K but when tried HDR I thought would be my processor or graphic. You are awesome :D
EposVox you really are awesome man I mean it 😃. Your videos are so well made, top quality, top knowledge, so organised by sections, nice to listen. You should have much more than the triple of the subscribers. Happy New Year mate, all the best 😃
Hey i have a question to you... I have a ryzen 5 2600 and a RX 580. So when (later) i record or stream my ps5 in 1080p60... is that possible? I want to game at 1080p120 with the passthrough output but i only want to record/stream 1080p60... so is my computer good enough, or do I need realy the specs that elgato given us, so minimum a Ryzen 7?! I hope u respond :D Thanks
I did some testing with one of these cards on a single pc setup just out of interest. FYI @epxvox there is some benefit in a single pc. That is that when you use Game capture and tab out of a full screen game, the viewers see (depending on the game) either the game dropping down to low fps and looking terrible or some games when tabbing out show a frozen screen and viewers ask if the stream is frozen. Capture card shows same as Display capture, but Display capture can fail to work on some games, eg Division 2 where for some reason display capture gives me 40fps and game capture over 100fps in game. Anyway, here's my test results on a single pc, for curiosity... Stream testing results Game PUBG Resolution 1440p monitor Hz 165 Gsync enabled 1080p streaming - single pc =================== 145 fps Game capture 95-160 fps Display capture 140-145 fps Elgato 4k capture card 1440p streaming - single pc =================== 145 fps Game capture 60-70 fps Display capture 130 fps Elgato 4k capture card
Grabbed one of these recently. It runs just fine on an i7-4770k and a GTX 1080. I'm able to use passthrough with OBS but the Elgato 4K Capture Utility has a noticeable lag. Disclaimer: I bought this for future proofing. I've not bothered with 4K so far - I imagine my weak processor may struggle with 4K.
Epos did you change anything in the xbox colour depth? I got mine but the capture seem darker different compared to the original 4K60 Pro on a non HDR monitor
THANK YOU FOR THE SECRET TRICK. Literally the deciding factor for myself since I can stream and record at the same time in 2 different qualities. Something I hadn't even known was possible ! Thank you
I BOUGHT THE CARD : I bought and have been using the card for a little less than a week and actually works on my i5-7600k and 970 LOL (below required specs). I wouldn't have tried unless a Corsair rep responded saying it was possible on an Amazon review question. Sadly won't be able to utilize all of its features BUT was good to know as far as future proofing myself for when I do upgrade it. Thank you again for the help!
I am very frustrated with the new elgato hd60x. I get pixelated recordings and preview with iphone 14pro max. Im playing pubg. I tested passthrough and thats fine but obs and recording in 4k utility looks like 360p. Contacted elgato and tried a few settings over the phone but no luck yet. Been weeks aand still going back and forth. Could nvidia settings be the issue? Please help if you can. ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Oh wow, the "secret trick" is actually pretty appealing! Currently I use OBS recording at a 1440p canvas and downscale to 720p to a much lower bitrate using the old NVENC encoder. It's surprisingly not bad, but unfortunately I'll have to pass due to no component 240p support, which I'm not gonna get my hopes up of Elgato ever adding this due to it being analog.
Just got mine a week ago and having a few of problems like popping sounds when gameplay gets too loud, "no signal" showing up randomly after I stop recording making me unplug and re-plug to get it fix, and recordings sometimes show nothing. Sigh may just have to return this and try the avermedia 4k instead if I can't find a solution :(
I don't understand how this doesn't help a single pc setup. Can't you run the HDMI out of your graphics card into the Elgato, then out the Elgato to your monitor?
Yes but that gives you no benefit. Your computer is still doing all of the processing and encoding, so the capture card is just a $300 alternative to adding a Game Capture source in OBS in that instance
Elgato Game Capture 4K60 Pro MK.2 supports RGB 4:4:4 Video Output :: The 4K60 Pro MK.2 received a firmware update which enabled the capability of outputting RGB 4:4:4 video in the RGB format to compatible programs. Driver: Version 1.1.0.190 or newer. Firmware: Version 19.08.08 (MCU: 19.10.07 / FPGA: 19.09.27) or newer
For a single pc set up for me personally it’s actually worth it because it is the only way I can stream HDR in Streamlabs OBS with tone mapping not a fan of “Lut” or Shadowplay so the easiest way around it for me was the 4k60 Pro MK.2
I have 2 pc's. They are both a lot better then recommended. I have 2 displays. One display is 4k, another one doesn't even have hdmi. Do I need a second display with hdmi, or I can put "hdmi to dvi" cable? And how to put it.. not a single video on youtube is actually showing how to plug the cables..
If your monitor supports 4K60 over DVI, (or the specific video spec you’re trying to run) sure you could use a HDMI to DVI cable for it. Inputs and outputs are labeled on the card itself. Generally we assume if you’re spending hundreds of dollars on a niche product you know how to plug in 2 HDMI cables. I don’t think you need a visual for that, they only fit one way.
So, I have this card in an egpu setup. It seems to work ok. Dell Precision 7720 w/ Thunderbolt 3 Aorus Gaming Box GTX1080 Shell w/ Card inside. My plan is to move this card and the GTX into a separate and portable streaming Box due to needing my thunderbolt 3 for my eGPU
What would be a free-sync work around for consoles? Use a splitter to run one feed to card and one to monitor? And is running say obs for streaming and elgato software for recording at the same time a bigger system load or is that done on the card and is the "magic"
Streaming and recording is technically more load, but it's easy to offload recording to gpu and it not be a problem. This card is not compatible with freesync. Trying to force it will just get crazy tearing or no signal n
No matter what settings or bitrate I try to use on YT or Twitch, my stream looks like trash. I thought this might help but your saying it won't. I don't know what to do as I can't stream because of this. Note I guess wanna stream my desktop with my MIC. That's all.
Total newb question. I currently record in 1080, but want to make the jump to 4K for the PS5. My TV that the gaming console is connected to is 4K, but my PC monitor I would record on is 1080. Will I still be able to record in 4K?
Can someone explain why it doesn't do any good to put this in one pc? I've seen so many reviews there's no explanation as to why this would not benefit a one pc setup.
Hey! Does today any card exist that can HDR 4k and 4:4:4 color sampling? like pixel format RGB10/r10k when capture? LiveGamer 4k provide me same 4:2:0 color sampling somewhy or maybe I configure it wrong :(
@@EposVox and if take hdr aside, something like just wide color garmut 4k@50 with RGB (10/12 bit) possible to capture in 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 ? If so then what card to look at?
@@protasov-by you can do 4k60 at 444 with the live gamer 4k, but probably not 10-bit. most of these gaming cards operate in 8-bit other than for HDR You'd be looking at a blackmagic decklink or MAYBE one of the magewell pro hdmi 4k. my decklink quad hdmi can do 4k60 10-bit 444 but it's $500
@@EposVox I've been looking for DeckLink Quad HDMI Recorder, also for AverMedia CL511HN and magewell pro hdmi 4k and not sure which can handle hdmi 1080p or 4k sources that gives RGB with 12/10 bit deep color depending on receiving device, How to capture deep color as best as possible to color grade then is main question because LiveGamer 4k that I have shrink bit depth to 8 4:2:0 :( So HDR as bonus seems good for future use even if it will be in 4:2:0/4:2:2 subsampling.
Will this work to use my Sony a6400 as a webcam for obs , the cam link is choppy and actually makes my camera look worse than the webcam did, not what I was looking for at all. I’ve also heard talk of a black magic capture . I just want whatever is going to work and give the realistic 4K quality as it should come from the camera Any advice brother? Thanks !
EposVox thanks for the reply! It should I have ryzen 3900x, 32g ddr4 , fatboy graphics card, rog crosshair 7. Its a new build but I can’t see why it wouldn’t handle it, it seems even my laptop which was much less of a system handled it better. Could it be I have too many things plugged in? The keyboard has 2 usb, the mouse also has one , and I also have dual monitors hdmi to usb going into a box that turns them into one usb . I figured this setup would be golden but I’m at a loss as to why it keeps looking wired even with the correct obs settings .
Fantastic video! Please just one question, i have large Samsung TV which has my PC and ps5 connected to it. If I buy the elgato 4k 60 mk2, can this work? My idea is setup the stream on the PC and switch HDMI to the ps5 and play on ps5 while it live stream to youtube, any thoughts?
I can't seem to find any real answers on this including from elgato tech support, let's see what you guys are made of 😀 Can this card pass 1080p hdr10 in any framerate above 60hz? All of the documentation I can find and Elgato tech support says hdr is only tested at 60 fps. If not, are you aware of any devices that can?
@@EposVox lgv30 and an LG v40 lgv30 seems to work the best though for screen capture I was going to make TH-cam video on it kind of ran out of space though stupid covid 19 keeping me from going to the store and picking up a new hard drive anyway if you're still interested I could make the video or you could you can also capture sound from a full XLR microphone you just have to have the proper cable it provides phantom power I was totally surprised when I found that out I was just messing around with my set up one day and I found that out pretty impressive what a little phone can do anyway have a wonderful day any more questions just ask
So this card is NOT good for a single PC? I have a fairly power PC (GTX 1080Ti - I7-8700K - 16GB DDR4 RAM) - with a dual monitor set up. Was hoping this would be good but you need (2) PC's to stream with this?
Wait how does the secret trick actually work? is there a timestamp? I watched the entire video almost twice to see if I missed it :( OBS still does not show my capture device when I have the 4K Capture Utility software running, but once i close 4K Cap Utility then my OBS finally shows the Capture Device
I'm about to build a new PC for creation and gaming. I'm thinking of getting a Ryzen 5950x (the new Threadripper PRO great for work but poor for gaming so it's a fail as I need a balance), RTX3090 Strix/GamingX, 64gb, 3 x 1TB SSD Samsung 960 pro, Motherboard (not sure but it need to be amazing). I really need to capture 4K 120fps lossless and even 8k 60fps videos (near lossless). If getting a PC like this would be enough or do I need to create a 2nd PC strictly for video capturing? Advice from you and everyone seriously needed.
If you’re doing lossless, all of your budget really needs to go into massive storage arrays both for speed and capacity (3tb will go fast) and not cpu This sounds like a single pc gaming capture setup otherwise there are no capture devices for those formats yet lol
How is it going to be when it comes to installing the software if you already have the old 4K60 Pro installed? Take the old card out, install the new one and update the software?
How do you eliminate audio lag when using this? I have my Series X plugged into this, yet no matter what I find, the only "low lag" option is listening through obs monitoring. The audio extractors ive found wont allow 1080p120fps pass through either. HELP!
Also, where to install elgato software? On my gaming pc or on recording/streaming pc ? video is freaking 30 minutes and you missed to mention so many things......
I understand the frustration, however this was a review and not a complete tutorial walkthrough. If you’re shopping for a $300-400 product in a category, it’s generally expected that you know what the thing is and how it should generally be used before dropping that much money. Here’s a video walking through capture card basics: The ULTIMATE console gameplay streaming tutorial | PlayStation, Xbox, Switch streaming th-cam.com/video/AnkwyWzfYgY/w-d-xo.html To answer your direct question, which is an answer you could come through by reasoning things out in the time you spent leaving angry comments: The Elgato software runs on your streaming PC, as that’s where the capture card goes and where you’re streaming from.
Love your videos! Didn't catch any comment on the preview latency. Have you had a chance to test that? Curious if we're in the sub 40ms latency space with cards now
I know at 2 minutes you say that there's no benefit to using this in a single PC setup, but would this not alleviate some stress on my CPU/GPU if I had a separate device handling recording/streaming?
Wait why wont this card be useful for a single computer capture? I thought the point of capture cards were they can capture video without costing in game performance?
Great explanation very educational. So if used with a camera what's the difference between the 4k cam link and 4k cam link pro? I don't wanna run my camera through USB 3.0 and I want to save $150.
@@EposVox Thanks for your expertise you always be coming through and responding back. So even the 4k camlink USB has the same quality as 4K60 Pro MK2? just a little less latency with 4K60 Pro MK2?
So I'm confused. Sorry I'm new to the master race. I have a dual 1440p monitor pc setup. I have the elgato hd60 pro and was previously using it for my channel happily recording in 1080p 60fps. Well with these new 2k monitors seem to stop me from using my current elgato to RECORD 2k content. Do I need this 4k capture card to capture my stuff in 2k now? Or can I use my current elgato to still capture 1080 video? Streaming doesn't seem to be an issue. I get to enjoy 2k gaming while my viewers (all 2 of you lol) see 1080p 60fps.
I have a Ryzen 5 3600 with a 1660 super and I just want to capture the ps5 gameplay at 1080p60 once that comes out. I don’t want to deal with any delays like I had to endure with the first hd60. I really don’t see myself gaming even in 1440p within the next year or so. I’m pretty casual. So idk what to do lol
Since this doesn't work well when playing through the preview window without latency issues can you recommend a capture card where I can play through the preview window with little to no latency?
Sooooo if you just pass through the a 3440x1440 video from gaming PC and stream it at downscale of 1920x1080 - having a 9 series GPU should work just fine. System requirements comes off as a more of a console streaming not dual PC setup where you are not using their personal software. Pass through of video means you are just moving the video to OBS or streaming software, your GPU should not be taking any sort of input with it. I think that needs to be clearer in the video, if you are using the NVEC or GPU encoders then of course get the system requirements because if the CPU is the only thing doing any encoding of video then the GPU is simply there to give you a monitor to look at - not encode - and send video upward. If this is wrong let me know because I do not use the OUT on my elgato right now. My GPU is simply hooked up to a monitor so I can configure OBS and stream it and there are zero issues with that and having a 4k60pro where i am only sending a 1440p @ 100hz signal and downscaling to 1080 @ 60hz signal (60 FPS with vsync) should not change the hardware requirements. Again chime in if you believe me to be wrong, but explanation of how to use a capture card is something that is extremely hard to find clear and concise. Someone looks at system requirements with a 12core CPU & 980 ti and go..."Shit i need to upgrade in order to use this capture card, that does not make sense. I am not using my GPU with this thing the GPU is giving monitor display functionality."
I'm wondering, using a HD60 Pro, would it be possible to now use the Elgato Game Capture HD Software for recording - specifically using the on-board encoding chip (and thus save CPU) - while simultaneously streaming in OBS, thanks to the Multi App Support? I understand that previously you needed to close the Elgato Game Capture HD Software in order to use OBS, and that the only option to record and stream at the same time was through Master Copy in Elgato's own software. Asking this as I'm currently doubting between buying the 4K60 Pro Mk.2 and HD60 Pro, and interested in the latter's on-board encoder purely from a CPU standpoint.
May sound kinda dumb, but my new PC a few months ago and everything is somewhat high end, running 32gb of RAM, an RTX 2070 super, but it’s just that my CPU is a Ryzen 5 3600, I understand that you said one of the requirements is an AMD Ryzen 7, but could I still benefit from this capture card when everything else I’m using is pretty top notch for the most part?
They need a USB capture card that can hook to a 2 PC setup as a labtop(via streaming pc), while we can play on our 5120 x 1440P 240HZ Samsung Odyssey G9 ultra wide monitor When they have something that can handle this type of setup please let me know.
EposVox sorry man another question, I’ve been watching your videos to figure out my best streaming option lol.. i7-7700 vs GTX 1060 3GB for encoding. Better quality?
I have a 1440p monitor that supports hdr10 runs fine using display port by itself connected from the graphics card to the monitor, But when I clone this capture card to the monitor hdr only works in windowed/ windowed full screen mode.. I cant get it to work in full screen mode, when selecting fullscreen mode my monitors screen goes black and says no signal, I can still se the picture in the 4k60 promk2 but its flickering... What's the deal with that?
So can i record gameplay off the pc that i have the elgato hooked up to? Or do i need another pc to play on and the other to use for recording? Sorry if its a stupid question, but i figured that if it was hook up to my main pc that I would also be able to record just using the software. I just thought the input/output would be just if I wanted to record on console. Thanks for your time!
There’s no point to buying a capture card to record on/from a single pc - software capture (via obs, xsplit, shadow play etc) performs better - but you technically *can* do it if you route your graphics card through it. It’s more useful for external sources such as consoles or second pc
Is it an ACTUAL true passthrough? I've had issues before with cards that have "passthroughs", but actually add a small delay. I've resulted to running a splitter ever since.
Virtually every capture card not from black magic made in the past 8 years has true lagless pass through. Been testing and verifying myself, I've tested over 30 so far
Ok, I need to get this straight I have a xbox one x and a ps4 pro with a Samsung 4k hdr capable monitor. When I used the hd60s my stream looked great but my screen I couldnt access hdr settings. Now with this I can Play in 4K hdr without compromissing or making my stream look washed out on obs?!
You mention this card couldn't handle the 5x mode on OSSC. The Retrotink 5x wasn't out when this was reviewed. Have you gone back and tested this card at all with that scaler? Or would it be better to go with the newer HD60X as someone that streams from both old and new?
choosing between 4k60pro and hd60s+ for console ps4/ps5 gaming... input lag is very importang for online games. which card should I choose for FullHD 60fps (60hz monitor) ?
Quick questions: I bought this for my streaming setup. What I am trying to do is stream 720p59 from an older Xbox One to my PC with limited lag. My processor is an AMD FX-8320E Eight Core and my Video Card is a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GDDR5 Dual-Fan Video Card. I installed the capture card because I bought it before understanding how steep the system requirements were and it arrived and I decided to give it a try. So after about an hour of use, my processor temps are hovering in the low 60 degree Celsius range and my PC isn't radiating heat. Is it acceptable to use this card as long as I neve try to run it at its highest settings or is it still dangerous?
@EposVox I don't know if you can answer this, but I give it a try. The minimum specs for using this card is said to be i7 gen 6 or newer + gtx 10-series. My question is, I'm considering getting one but my stream-pc have a i7-5820k (x99) and a gtx1080. Will this even work? Since it's technically an older cpu than min.requirements but still a more powerful cpu than some of the 6th gen i7's ?? i will mirror my 1440p144 monitor but output 900p60 through OBS.
ALSO the 1650 will work. Mistake on my part.
POINT OF CLARIFICATION: You're not limited to 2 outputs for the video feed. In this tweet I have a screenshot showing it in 3 different apps at once! twitter.com/EposVox/status/1164272177690157056
I hope you found the ending amusing. It wasn't quite as amusing to finish my edit and then check Twitter and see that..
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TIMECODES:
00:00 Intro
01:30 History & Context
03:28 Review Disclosures
03:52 Hardware
05:51 Secret Trick
07:16 Capture Specs
11:17 Setting It Up
14:05 Software
20:05 Why 4K?
21:26 HDR?!
23:28 Playing HDR
24:23 Editing HDR
25:38 Retro Setups
26:05 Other Options
27:28 Conclusion
floatplane plug, noice
@@AlcorSalvador Of course!
Bro i have an i7 4770, 16GB ram, 525gb SSD crucial and RX580 4GB, obviously i can not stream good quality with this setup, so i wanted to buy an RX 5700 XT, but also i want to consider the elgato HD60 PRO to stream and record. Will i benefite with this setup from the HD60 PRO or is just a waste of money for me????
EposVox so this product is pointless if I’m using it with my one and only pc?
I have a 5820k and 1080 in my backup PC. I notice you said intel 6th gen. I wasn't sure if this had to do with the encoding or differences in drivers or more a performance cut off recommendation? Would my HEDT intel chip work?
Very interesting to hear how it stacks up for some older consoles. Cheers for the testing on that.
HAHAHA that ending. It's so much fun, finishing an edit, being very happy with your well-rounded opinion and decision on whether to recommend a device... all to have something invalidate it riiiiight before you hit render.
Thankfully it was just for a very savage jab. No need to do more work for now twitter.com/AVerMedia/status/1164195578026188800?s=19
@@EposVox That's a pretty epic troll. Well played Aver...
2020: "Why 4K? Who needs 4K?"
2008: "Why 720p? Who would ever need that?"
Things change, mah dudes. Be on top of things and your videos will age like fine wine instead of milk.
yeah because there aren't limitations of video and perception. properly shot and or converted 720p is still perfectly fine for most video. we do not need talking head videos at 4k. never did.
Nope, not even close. In 2008, most people already had monitors with higher-than-720p resolution. In 2021, 1080p is the dominant monitor resolution, and lower-than-1080p is more common than higher-than-1080p. In the steam hardware survey, which skews above the average, only about 2.5% of computers have 4K screens.
4k _is_ the upper limit though. 8k and above is just stupid.
Just wanted to say I'm using this capture card in a dual PC streaming setup and the specs listed are definitely NOT a hard requirement. My gaming PC has a GTX 2080ti, 32GB 3200mhz ram, and an i7 8700k CPU. My streaming PC however only has an i7 3770k, 16GB 2600mhz ram, and a GTX 1050ti graphics card. I'm able to Play games at 1080p, 240hz on my Alienware monitor with the amazing 240hz passthrough capability on this card, and I can stream and record easily at 1080p60hz with NVENC without it even causing a hiccup. I just want people to know that you DO NOT need a current gen system, or even the listed specs to actually use this card with great results. Elgato support told me directly that my system would not work, so I bought the card and tried it anyway and I'm very pleased I did.
Requirements always have essentially some amount of headroom built in to them, and are meant to cover all different uses like capturing 4K 60fps directly in the 4K Capture Utility software, streaming different resolutions, and other activities on the computer.
So yes some can use this card with a slightly older system, but I still would ask people not to pick one up unless they meet the listed requirements.
Sometimes specs are not simply performance related but newer platforms have advantages, and not everyone has their system optimized for capturing or has a dedicated system. If they are capturing a console, they may have only one PC which is running other software they need at the time. Many more factors at play.
@@SirCrest I understand your point. I just recall Elgato support stating that my system would be guaranteed insufficient for the specific use case I gave them and they were definitely wrong about that. I'm sure if I were streaming in 4k, or only had a single PC, my story would be different. I have tried streaming directly on my gaming PC and even that did not provide the Experience I was looking for.
If anyone sees this, GeForce GTX 10XX is **NOT** the bottom requirement. I’ve seen it run on a GTX 970ti and I am currently running it flawlessly with a GTX 980ti.
Massive amount of great info here! Thanks for making this thorough review! 😊
Hi can you help ? I have a Gaming PC and specs are :
Core i9 9900k, GTX 2080 ti EXTREME, 32 GB RAM but still it's not enough to record 4k 60 fps gaming on OBS Classic, it takes too much space and it lags so if i use this capture card will it help ?
Capture card will not help. Your system is powerful enough, you just need to optimize your settings
@@EposVox Thanks for quick reply
Can you tell me the settings of obs ? i've tried all settings from TH-cam tutorials, Some setting takes too much space like 20 minutes of 4k gameplay will take 100GB plus and when i use settings from different TH-cam video, the recorded gameplay video from obs drops the frame and it lags
I want more than average 4k video quality that takes less space, takes more power of gpu instead of cpu ( less cpu intensive ), smooth gameplay with zero framedrops
( I'm using Logitech 4k webcam, BlueYeti Pro mic and recording gameplays with maxed out graphics with all these devices on OBS classic software )
Just need to know what will be best from my pc.....
@@ShahmeerAbbasOfficial It will always take a ton of storage space because the higher resolution requires more space to store the data in.
@Goblin Slayer I have amd rx 6900 xt, and Ryzen 9 5950x and it sucks for recording. It's good if you record 5-6 minute video, after that the stutter is coming...
Hey there! I just got this card, but for some reason gameplay recorded in 4K Capture Utility is shorter than it's recorded in OBS. Separate game and voice audio tracks are fine and can be synced to my stream/facecam recordings from OBS, but the video gets more out of sync the longer gameplay is. Tried it without the obs - the problem stays the same. After 1:19:27 of playing game I get the same length for separate audio files and 1:19:14 for the video file. And if you sync it in the beginning - it gets desynced randomly throughout the footage
What kind of hard drive would you use with this? If the file sizes are huge wouldn't this kill a dedicated SSD in a pretty short amount of time for an active youtuber ?
So, something that “May” work in your situation. AMD has an application called AMD Radeon RAMdisk. It can reserve a maximum of 64GB of memory. Unless you’re recording insane amounts video, you maybe be able to use that as scratch content.
I use it all the time when I’m spinning up a temporary VM and don’t feel like on my SSD’s
You can record 4K to an HDD as long as that HDD is purely for storage and isn't your OS drive. If anything, recording to RAID 0 HDDs is also a good idea for speed increases.
what happens if you plug the GFX card HDMI into the input of the capture card? does that work or does it blow up ?
That’s how dual pc works lol
@@EposVox I mean on the same PC, not a second dedicated one ;)
You get worse performance and 0 benefits to use it in a single pc
I'll answer that like the only professional, as usual with these garbage clickbait channels, as it's something I do with the HD60 Pro. It only does 1080 so I'm looking to upgrade. Unfortunately I ended up here.
If you plug the GPU HDMI out in to it you'll get an infinitely better capture quality than OBS. I've tried every combination in OBS and the quality is always garbage. I smashed the HD60 up to 60mbps (max) writing to an M3 and the quality was perfect. I even watched it back on my 4k and it was clearer than 75mbps 4k capture in OBS. The Elgato PCI line is worth every penny.
In terms of performance, there's almost no loss. When capturing the Elgato app uses about 350mb RAM. It's nothing. Barely any CPU power. If you turn off live playback and disable preview it will use 1% to 3% GPU resources. Actual GPU, it will use no GPU RAM. That's me running on an old, near bottom end, GTX 1060. So I can play a game on the same machine I'm capturing on and have near 0% system resource impact, unlike with OBS which uses a ton of resouces and the video still comes out garbage...
Around 8:40 you mention the lower 4:2:0 color resolution of the 4K60 Pro in comparison the to AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K, do you know if the firmware and driver update Elgato released since then actually enables 4:4:4 video output or is it still emulated? This is important to me since I capture mainly PC GUI interfaces and not games, so visual fringing would be very noticeable to me and would be a reason I would choose the Live Gamer 4K over the 4K60 Pro.
You also touched on how the Elgato stretched a 4:3 1024x768 resolution image to widescreen. I'm often capturing retro PC's at resolutions of 640x480, 720x400 (MS-DOS), 800x600, and 1024x768. Do you have any experience with either the Live Gamer 4K or 4K60 Pro at these lower resolutions, and would you recommend one over the other for someone capturing mostly PC output?
Yes the update enables full 444 and 422 now.
Both cards are likely to stretch those resolutions, only option that won’t is Magewell - but you can apply the aspect ratio correction filter in OBS to put it back
Ah okay, and thanks for the quick response. Besides those two, are there any other capture devices that support 4:4:4 color resolution that you know of, or any other devices you'd recommend for capturing PC output, even if they don't support 4:4:4?
I don't think I've seen a gameplay in such quality on youtube, damn
After seeing your section on requirements, I had to do some research, to which I found that this card does in fact work with AMD GPUs. It needs an RX Vega or better, and this info can not only be found on several etailer sites, but also on the Elgato FAQ section. This is good news for me, as my RX 5700 8GB will handle the workload flawlessly, alongside the rest of my PC's hardware. Btw, have you tested this card out, to see how well it works for capturing 4K video footage from a camera? That's the primary reason I want it, so that I can get the best quality video recording in OBS or other software, and won't be bothering with an X1 or PS4 as that part doesn't interest me.
Have you tried it with an AMD card? The problem with AMD cards (being an AMD fan myself) is that the encoders are buggy and not very good quality. From what I remember the H265 encoder is pretty good... but useless for live streaming.
Just as a mention, Magewell capture cards have been doing multi-application access for some time.
I'd spoken with Elgato a while back, asked if the feature was possible, and argued the case for its inclusion in a more consumer price-point product. Really awesome that they got it in and working though; as mentioned in the video, it's excellent for recording 'clean' gameplay-only footage for later editing.
As I don't have a 4K60 v2 to test, are you able to access the device at different resolutions+framerates simultaneously, as with Magewell cards?
Didn't realize youtube was playing at 480p till i had trouble reading the text on the screen lol.
I'm getting screen tearing in Streamlabs OBS, 4K Capture Utility, etc.. on my streaming PC. Whether I'm recording or streaming, it is VERY noticable. The Elgato is cloned with my 1080p 144Hz monitor on my gaming PC, everything looks good on that front. The Elgato is also set to 1080p 144Hz, and the source input in 4K Capture Utility registers as 1080p 144Hz properly. Only thing wrong is my recordings, or my live gameplay, has bad screen tearing. Any ideas?
Streaming PC Specs:
- i7 7700k
- EVGA GeForce GTX 1050ti
- 16 GB RAM
- EVGA 650W PSU
- MSI Z270 Plus mobo
I know this is a long shot but did you ever fix this?
@@AleexTg I had to compromise with enabling "fast" VSYNC in Nvidia Control Panel. That got rid of it. At the cost of, ya know, VSYNC.
13:52
I swear, I was able to put the Resolution to 1920x1080p when my input was a 4K Signal.
I reinstalled my driver trying to fix an issue I had... the recordings would lose fps, but the game runs butter smooth.
Well, by uninstalling the driver and reinstalling it by simply rebooting my computer, somehow this does not work for me in OBS anymore.
Setting another resolution than what actually comes in results for me into a Green Output.
I cannot find anything regarding this issue... and am just lost at what to do.
Maybe you have an idea?... Help? Please?
I also tried reinstalling 4K Game Capture Utility and OBS Studio itself completely by also deleting every config possible.
Just got to the point where I'm capable of doing a dual pc set up for streaming but didn't want to sacrifice my high refresh rate for gaming, glad I found your video with the solutions!
I just bought 4k60 pro for $200 at Micro center. I told them Amazon had a 50% discount and they did a price swipe or something like that.
GEO_Sandro like without showing proof?
KingsmanXV you need to show them proof which I showed them the price on Amazon
I just got the 4K60 Pro Mk.2 and was wondering on the Xbox do you change the colour depth/space? if so what are the settings you are using?
I been posting comparison between mk1 and mk2 on elgato reddit. But for some reason my captures became darker but with slightly better colours.
I absolutely LOVE this video, it is one of the reason why I ended up buying the 4K60 Pro Mark II! Thanks EposVox
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I was looking for the correct answer why when Capturing HDR was so slow exactly how you shown on this video. Now I finally got it, I only use the capture card to record from my PS4 Pro, my computer is not that powerful, just a Ryzen 5 2400G with a Nvidia Geforce GTX1060 Super 6GB. Records fine in 4K but when tried HDR I thought would be my processor or graphic. You are awesome :D
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EposVox you really are awesome man I mean it 😃. Your videos are so well made, top quality, top knowledge, so organised by sections, nice to listen. You should have much more than the triple of the subscribers. Happy New Year mate, all the best 😃
Hey i have a question to you... I have a ryzen 5 2600 and a RX 580. So when (later) i record or stream my ps5 in 1080p60... is that possible? I want to game at 1080p120 with the passthrough output but i only want to record/stream 1080p60... so is my computer good enough, or do I need realy the specs that elgato given us, so minimum a Ryzen 7?! I hope u respond :D Thanks
I did some testing with one of these cards on a single pc setup just out of interest. FYI @epxvox there is some benefit in a single pc. That is that when you use Game capture and tab out of a full screen game, the viewers see (depending on the game) either the game dropping down to low fps and looking terrible or some games when tabbing out show a frozen screen and viewers ask if the stream is frozen. Capture card shows same as Display capture, but Display capture can fail to work on some games, eg Division 2 where for some reason display capture gives me 40fps and game capture over 100fps in game. Anyway, here's my test results on a single pc, for curiosity...
Stream testing results
Game PUBG
Resolution 1440p
monitor Hz 165
Gsync enabled
1080p streaming - single pc
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145 fps Game capture
95-160 fps Display capture
140-145 fps Elgato 4k capture card
1440p streaming - single pc
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145 fps Game capture
60-70 fps Display capture
130 fps Elgato 4k capture card
So a ryzen 5 5600x wont work?
That’s fine but you need a GPU. 5600x doesn’t have video output/encoding
@@EposVox i have a ryzen 5 5600x with a rtx2080 super
so just to be clear i can connect my cannon eos mkii to this? and run it through obs?
Grabbed one of these recently. It runs just fine on an i7-4770k and a GTX 1080. I'm able to use passthrough with OBS but the Elgato 4K Capture Utility has a noticeable lag.
Disclaimer: I bought this for future proofing. I've not bothered with 4K so far - I imagine my weak processor may struggle with 4K.
so can i recording in 1080p but play in 4k with no additional parts with this?
Yes
@@EposVox ty my good sir
Epos did you change anything in the xbox colour depth? I got mine but the capture seem darker different compared to the original 4K60 Pro on a non HDR monitor
THANK YOU FOR THE SECRET TRICK. Literally the deciding factor for myself since I can stream and record at the same time in 2 different qualities. Something I hadn't even known was possible ! Thank you
I BOUGHT THE CARD : I bought and have been using the card for a little less than a week and actually works on my i5-7600k and 970 LOL (below required specs). I wouldn't have tried unless a Corsair rep responded saying it was possible on an Amazon review question. Sadly won't be able to utilize all of its features BUT was good to know as far as future proofing myself for when I do upgrade it. Thank you again for the help!
So, useless for Linux again.... How is the " Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro 4K" for Linux?
I am very frustrated with the new elgato hd60x. I get pixelated recordings and preview with iphone 14pro max. Im playing pubg. I tested passthrough and thats fine but obs and recording in 4k utility looks like 360p. Contacted elgato and tried a few settings over the phone but no luck yet. Been weeks aand still going back and forth. Could nvidia settings be the issue? Please help if you can. ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you so much for this detail. I just bought a PS5 slim and also want to upgrade my Elgato HD60P card. Great timing for both products.
Oh wow, the "secret trick" is actually pretty appealing! Currently I use OBS recording at a 1440p canvas and downscale to 720p to a much lower bitrate using the old NVENC encoder. It's surprisingly not bad, but unfortunately I'll have to pass due to no component 240p support, which I'm not gonna get my hopes up of Elgato ever adding this due to it being analog.
Just got mine a week ago and having a few of problems like popping sounds when gameplay gets too loud, "no signal" showing up randomly after I stop recording making me unplug and re-plug to get it fix, and recordings sometimes show nothing. Sigh may just have to return this and try the avermedia 4k instead if I can't find a solution :(
Which should I buy the Elgato 4k60 Pro Mk.2 or Avermedia Live Gamer 4K?
I just bought the 4K60 Pro please elgato y u do dis
RIP
I don't understand how this doesn't help a single pc setup. Can't you run the HDMI out of your graphics card into the Elgato, then out the Elgato to your monitor?
Yes but that gives you no benefit. Your computer is still doing all of the processing and encoding, so the capture card is just a $300 alternative to adding a Game Capture source in OBS in that instance
13:19 where is that video? There's no link in the description about that video?
Elgato Game Capture 4K60 Pro MK.2 supports RGB 4:4:4 Video Output
:: The 4K60 Pro MK.2 received a firmware update which enabled the capability of outputting RGB 4:4:4 video in the RGB format to compatible programs. Driver: Version 1.1.0.190 or newer. Firmware: Version 19.08.08 (MCU: 19.10.07 / FPGA: 19.09.27) or newer
For a single pc set up for me personally it’s actually worth it because it is the only way I can stream HDR in Streamlabs OBS with tone mapping not a fan of “Lut” or Shadowplay so the easiest way around it for me was the 4k60 Pro MK.2
Yea, that was a big WTF when he said that. Of course it benefits a single PC setup, it takes all of the stream encoding off of the video card. LOL
How did they do it - shrinking the thing? Was it by switching from FPGA/ASIC to fully custom designed cores?
They went from using 4 hdmi processing chips working together down to 1
Did they fix the AMD video capture yet?
I have 2 pc's. They are both a lot better then recommended.
I have 2 displays. One display is 4k, another one doesn't even have hdmi.
Do I need a second display with hdmi, or I can put "hdmi to dvi" cable? And how to put it.. not a single video on youtube is actually showing how to plug the cables..
If your monitor supports 4K60 over DVI, (or the specific video spec you’re trying to run) sure you could use a HDMI to DVI cable for it.
Inputs and outputs are labeled on the card itself. Generally we assume if you’re spending hundreds of dollars on a niche product you know how to plug in 2 HDMI cables. I don’t think you need a visual for that, they only fit one way.
If you could pick one avermedia live gamer 4k or elgato 4k60 pro which would it be
So, I have this card in an egpu setup. It seems to work ok.
Dell Precision 7720 w/ Thunderbolt 3
Aorus Gaming Box GTX1080 Shell w/ Card inside.
My plan is to move this card and the GTX into a separate and portable streaming Box due to needing my thunderbolt 3 for my eGPU
What would be a free-sync work around for consoles? Use a splitter to run one feed to card and one to monitor? And is running say obs for streaming and elgato software for recording at the same time a bigger system load or is that done on the card and is the "magic"
Streaming and recording is technically more load, but it's easy to offload recording to gpu and it not be a problem.
This card is not compatible with freesync. Trying to force it will just get crazy tearing or no signal n
@@EposVox Thx man for everything you do.
Epos, Why would you select "Color Range": Partial opposed to Full? Just Curious and thanks in advance :)
Dude, I saw your battle network magnet man figure and was like " I KNOW THAT GUY, I HAVE HIM TOO!" glad to see another fan!
so 3440x1440 with HDR1000 with a 2 PC setup is no problem right?
up to 100hz
No matter what settings or bitrate I try to use on YT or Twitch, my stream looks like trash. I thought this might help but your saying it won't. I don't know what to do as I can't stream because of this. Note I guess wanna stream my desktop with my MIC. That's all.
Total newb question. I currently record in 1080, but want to make the jump to 4K for the PS5. My TV that the gaming console is connected to is 4K, but my PC monitor I would record on is 1080. Will I still be able to record in 4K?
Yep!
@@EposVox Sweet! Thank you for the quick response!
biggest issue was dual pc sound passtrough
Elgato has a sound manager utility that solves that ez
But the Magewell Pro Capture line allows you to use the card in a bunch of programs, not just 2.
Can someone explain why it doesn't do any good to put this in one pc? I've seen so many reviews there's no explanation as to why this would not benefit a one pc setup.
Hey! Does today any card exist that can HDR 4k and 4:4:4 color sampling? like pixel format RGB10/r10k when capture? LiveGamer 4k provide me same 4:2:0 color sampling somewhy or maybe I configure it wrong :(
HDR 4K at 444 is not even supported by HDMI 2.0/b bandwidth - it's always 4:2:0 output, to TVs, capture cards, anything. So no.
@@EposVox and if take hdr aside, something like just wide color garmut 4k@50 with RGB (10/12 bit) possible to capture in 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 ? If so then what card to look at?
@@protasov-by you can do 4k60 at 444 with the live gamer 4k, but probably not 10-bit. most of these gaming cards operate in 8-bit other than for HDR
You'd be looking at a blackmagic decklink or MAYBE one of the magewell pro hdmi 4k.
my decklink quad hdmi can do 4k60 10-bit 444 but it's $500
@@EposVox I've been looking for DeckLink Quad HDMI Recorder, also for AverMedia CL511HN and magewell pro hdmi 4k and not sure which can handle hdmi 1080p or 4k sources that gives RGB with 12/10 bit deep color depending on receiving device, How to capture deep color as best as possible to color grade then is main question because LiveGamer 4k that I have shrink bit depth to 8 4:2:0 :( So HDR as bonus seems good for future use even if it will be in 4:2:0/4:2:2 subsampling.
Should I purchase this or the hd60 ones?
Will this work to use my Sony a6400 as a webcam for obs , the cam link is choppy and actually makes my camera look worse than the webcam did, not what I was looking for at all. I’ve also heard talk of a black magic capture . I just want whatever is going to work and give the realistic 4K quality as it should come from the camera Any advice brother? Thanks !
This will definitely work, though that cam link experience is certainly not normal so I'd have concern that your PC can handle it
EposVox thanks for the reply! It should I have ryzen 3900x, 32g ddr4 , fatboy graphics card, rog crosshair 7. Its a new build but I can’t see why it wouldn’t handle it, it seems even my laptop which was much less of a system handled it better. Could it be I have too many things plugged in? The keyboard has 2 usb, the mouse also has one , and I also have dual monitors hdmi to usb going into a box that turns them into one usb . I figured this setup would be golden but I’m at a loss as to why it keeps looking wired even with the correct obs settings .
Fantastic video! Please just one question, i have large Samsung TV which has my PC and ps5 connected to it. If I buy the elgato 4k 60 mk2, can this work? My idea is setup the stream on the PC and switch HDMI to the ps5 and play on ps5 while it live stream to youtube, any thoughts?
Which webcam do you use? And thanks for the review
I can't seem to find any real answers on this including from elgato tech support, let's see what you guys are made of 😀 Can this card pass 1080p hdr10 in any framerate above 60hz? All of the documentation I can find and Elgato tech support says hdr is only tested at 60 fps. If not, are you aware of any devices that can?
My smartphone supports 4K 60 capture whenever I plug it into a computer it says do you want to capture the screen in 4k 60 and I'm given an option
What phone do you have?
@@EposVox lgv30 and an LG v40 lgv30 seems to work the best though for screen capture I was going to make TH-cam video on it kind of ran out of space though stupid covid 19 keeping me from going to the store and picking up a new hard drive anyway if you're still interested I could make the video or you could you can also capture sound from a full XLR microphone you just have to have the proper cable it provides phantom power I was totally surprised when I found that out I was just messing around with my set up one day and I found that out pretty impressive what a little phone can do anyway have a wonderful day any more questions just ask
So this card is NOT good for a single PC? I have a fairly power PC (GTX 1080Ti - I7-8700K - 16GB DDR4 RAM) - with a dual monitor set up. Was hoping this would be good but you need (2) PC's to stream with this?
Capture cards serve no benefit on single pc setups
So technically, you can stream obs with ndi using this capture card without utilizing the 2 pc system?
can you explain what you said pls? does it mean i can put this inside my gaming pc? without buying another another pc?
Wait how does the secret trick actually work? is there a timestamp? I watched the entire video almost twice to see if I missed it :(
OBS still does not show my capture device when I have the 4K Capture Utility software running, but once i close 4K Cap Utility then my OBS finally shows the Capture Device
I unfortunately won’t be buying another cap card until they support 4K 120 FPS or DP
Saw this comment yesterday when I started looking for cards now I feel it 😂🤦♂️
I'm about to build a new PC for creation and gaming. I'm thinking of getting a Ryzen 5950x (the new Threadripper PRO great for work but poor for gaming so it's a fail as I need a balance), RTX3090 Strix/GamingX, 64gb, 3 x 1TB SSD Samsung 960 pro, Motherboard (not sure but it need to be amazing). I really need to capture 4K 120fps lossless and even 8k 60fps videos (near lossless). If getting a PC like this would be enough or do I need to create a 2nd PC strictly for video capturing? Advice from you and everyone seriously needed.
If you’re doing lossless, all of your budget really needs to go into massive storage arrays both for speed and capacity (3tb will go fast) and not cpu
This sounds like a single pc gaming capture setup otherwise there are no capture devices for those formats yet lol
How is it going to be when it comes to installing the software if you already have the old 4K60 Pro installed? Take the old card out, install the new one and update the software?
Yep! That's all I had to do
Alright, thanks.
How do you eliminate audio lag when using this? I have my Series X plugged into this, yet no matter what I find, the only "low lag" option is listening through obs monitoring. The audio extractors ive found wont allow 1080p120fps pass through either. HELP!
Also, where to install elgato software? On my gaming pc or on recording/streaming pc ? video is freaking 30 minutes and you missed to mention so many things......
I understand the frustration, however this was a review and not a complete tutorial walkthrough.
If you’re shopping for a $300-400 product in a category, it’s generally expected that you know what the thing is and how it should generally be used before dropping that much money.
Here’s a video walking through capture card basics: The ULTIMATE console gameplay streaming tutorial | PlayStation, Xbox, Switch streaming th-cam.com/video/AnkwyWzfYgY/w-d-xo.html
To answer your direct question, which is an answer you could come through by reasoning things out in the time you spent leaving angry comments:
The Elgato software runs on your streaming PC, as that’s where the capture card goes and where you’re streaming from.
Love your videos! Didn't catch any comment on the preview latency. Have you had a chance to test that?
Curious if we're in the sub 40ms latency space with cards now
It was in the video :) Capture specs section. On mobile so i can't link
@@EposVox found it, 10:18
🤦♂️ sorry I totally missed that section, thank you for being so thorough!
The question is does it run as hot at the original
I addressed it in the hardware section.
Can't wait. Still saving for this.
Magewell and YUAN can output to multiple programs aswell
I've read forum posts that it works with Maxwell too, like 750 Ti and 900 Series GPUs
I know at 2 minutes you say that there's no benefit to using this in a single PC setup, but would this not alleviate some stress on my CPU/GPU if I had a separate device handling recording/streaming?
Nope. This isn't handling that, it's only digitizing the hdmi signal. Which is already digitized if you just capture it in software.
@@EposVox Ahhh okay, so my best bet is to continue to use OBS. Thank you for the info and for the fast response.
Wait why wont this card be useful for a single computer capture? I thought the point of capture cards were they can capture video without costing in game performance?
Nope, that is not the point of them at all.
Great explanation very educational. So if used with a camera what's the difference between the 4k cam link and 4k cam link pro? I don't wanna run my camera through USB 3.0 and I want to save $150.
Quality wise, nothing, they will give you the same results. The Cam Link Pro just has 4 inputs
@@EposVox Thanks for your expertise you always be coming through and responding back. So even the 4k camlink USB has the same quality as 4K60 Pro MK2? just a little less latency with 4K60 Pro MK2?
The 4k60 pro will also give you 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 chroma subsampling capture options, but most cameras don’t even output that so not really a big deal
@@EposVox So just stick with the 4k camlink?
So I'm confused. Sorry I'm new to the master race. I have a dual 1440p monitor pc setup. I have the elgato hd60 pro and was previously using it for my channel happily recording in 1080p 60fps. Well with these new 2k monitors seem to stop me from using my current elgato to RECORD 2k content. Do I need this 4k capture card to capture my stuff in 2k now? Or can I use my current elgato to still capture 1080 video? Streaming doesn't seem to be an issue. I get to enjoy 2k gaming while my viewers (all 2 of you lol) see 1080p 60fps.
I have a Ryzen 5 3600 with a 1660 super and I just want to capture the ps5 gameplay at 1080p60 once that comes out. I don’t want to deal with any delays like I had to endure with the first hd60. I really don’t see myself gaming even in 1440p within the next year or so. I’m pretty casual. So idk what to do lol
Same here best bet is to get hd60 s+ for console 4k is almost still useless esp for games like cod.
Since this doesn't work well when playing through the preview window without latency issues can you recommend a capture card where I can play through the preview window with little to no latency?
Nope. Literally none will provide a tolerable play-from-preview experience for most people
@@EposVox Even the Avermedia 4K Live Gamer you covered at 3.6 ms?
@@TheRenegadist That's 36ms, not 3.6
Sooooo if you just pass through the a 3440x1440 video from gaming PC and stream it at downscale of 1920x1080 - having a 9 series GPU should work just fine. System requirements comes off as a more of a console streaming not dual PC setup where you are not using their personal software. Pass through of video means you are just moving the video to OBS or streaming software, your GPU should not be taking any sort of input with it. I think that needs to be clearer in the video, if you are using the NVEC or GPU encoders then of course get the system requirements because if the CPU is the only thing doing any encoding of video then the GPU is simply there to give you a monitor to look at - not encode - and send video upward.
If this is wrong let me know because I do not use the OUT on my elgato right now. My GPU is simply hooked up to a monitor so I can configure OBS and stream it and there are zero issues with that and having a 4k60pro where i am only sending a 1440p @ 100hz signal and downscaling to 1080 @ 60hz signal (60 FPS with vsync) should not change the hardware requirements.
Again chime in if you believe me to be wrong, but explanation of how to use a capture card is something that is extremely hard to find clear and concise. Someone looks at system requirements with a 12core CPU & 980 ti and go..."Shit i need to upgrade in order to use this capture card, that does not make sense. I am not using my GPU with this thing the GPU is giving monitor display functionality."
How much latency does it add? To the external monitor not the stream.
None, realtime Passthrough.
@@EposVox Sweet! Thanks for the fast response man!
@@EposVox You earned a subscriber for that!
@@insvmnia1763 Thanks for subscribing!
Would this be a good choice to make a backup copy of a blu-ray movie? I know Makemkv is also an option.
With a capture card do you need a graphics card if your streaming console?
there are the requirements: 10:41
I'm wondering, using a HD60 Pro, would it be possible to now use the Elgato Game Capture HD Software for recording - specifically using the on-board encoding chip (and thus save CPU) - while simultaneously streaming in OBS, thanks to the Multi App Support? I understand that previously you needed to close the Elgato Game Capture HD Software in order to use OBS, and that the only option to record and stream at the same time was through Master Copy in Elgato's own software. Asking this as I'm currently doubting between buying the 4K60 Pro Mk.2 and HD60 Pro, and interested in the latter's on-board encoder purely from a CPU standpoint.
May sound kinda dumb, but my new PC a few months ago and everything is somewhat high end, running 32gb of RAM, an RTX 2070 super, but it’s just that my CPU is a Ryzen 5 3600, I understand that you said one of the requirements is an AMD Ryzen 7, but could I still benefit from this capture card when everything else I’m using is pretty top notch for the most part?
They need a USB capture card that can hook to a 2 PC setup as a labtop(via streaming pc), while we can play on our 5120 x 1440P 240HZ Samsung Odyssey G9 ultra wide monitor When they have something that can handle this type of setup please let me know.
Ok well that will, uh, be a while. That’s way out of the current HDMI spec and USB bandwidth isn’t enough for that at all
It is still worth buying even if you got Nvidia Turing card on board? it offers better overal capture quality?
Erm, if you mean for a single PC streaming setup, no. I said that at least 3 times in the video. You're still using the GPU encoder w/ this card.
@@EposVox Thanks for clarification and nice vid! Tired brain is a bad brain.
@@Vean440 SAME
DO YOU NEED A 240HZ MONITOR FOR YOUR STREAMING PC IN ORDER TO STREAM/RECORD IN 240HZ?!?!
Yes
EposVox thanks man!
EposVox sorry man another question, I’ve been watching your videos to figure out my best streaming option lol.. i7-7700 vs GTX 1060 3GB for encoding. Better quality?
I have a 1440p monitor that supports hdr10 runs fine using display port by itself connected from the graphics card to the monitor, But when I clone this capture card to the monitor hdr only works in windowed/ windowed full screen mode.. I cant get it to work in full screen mode, when selecting fullscreen mode my monitors screen goes black and says no signal, I can still se the picture in the 4k60 promk2 but its flickering... What's the deal with that?
So can i record gameplay off the pc that i have the elgato hooked up to? Or do i need another pc to play on and the other to use for recording?
Sorry if its a stupid question, but i figured that if it was hook up to my main pc that I would also be able to record just using the software. I just thought the input/output would be just if I wanted to record on console.
Thanks for your time!
There’s no point to buying a capture card to record on/from a single pc - software capture (via obs, xsplit, shadow play etc) performs better - but you technically *can* do it if you route your graphics card through it. It’s more useful for external sources such as consoles or second pc
@@EposVox Ah thx man. So those other software u mentioned are a better choice? Which one of those is more "user friendly"?
Thanks again!
Is it an ACTUAL true passthrough? I've had issues before with cards that have "passthroughs", but actually add a small delay. I've resulted to running a splitter ever since.
Virtually every capture card not from black magic made in the past 8 years has true lagless pass through. Been testing and verifying myself, I've tested over 30 so far
Ok, I need to get this straight I have a xbox one x and a ps4 pro with a Samsung 4k hdr capable monitor. When I used the hd60s my stream looked great but my screen I couldnt access hdr settings. Now with this I can Play in 4K hdr without compromissing or making my stream look washed out on obs?!
yes
Thanks for the quick reply, Im stressin over this ish... so used to just gaming with the hdr without it I jsut cant get the settings right.
do you need more than 1 pc for this card to work on ps4 pro or pc and the original 4k60 pro?
Capture cards are pointless for single PC streaming setups for PC games.
If you're streaming PS4 Pro, you don't need multiple PCs, no.
@@EposVox that's what I kind of figured and yes that's what I'm streaming from the PS4 Pro. Thanks for the reply eposvox.👍👍
You mention this card couldn't handle the 5x mode on OSSC. The Retrotink 5x wasn't out when this was reviewed. Have you gone back and tested this card at all with that scaler? Or would it be better to go with the newer HD60X as someone that streams from both old and new?
choosing between 4k60pro and hd60s+ for console ps4/ps5 gaming... input lag is very importang for online games. which card should I choose for FullHD 60fps (60hz monitor) ?
Both of them have lag-free Passthrough but if you plan on sticking with 1080p60 the hd60s+ is fine
@@EposVox thank you very much!
Thanks for watching!
I have a issue showing on the capture utility that 3440x1440p 100 is not supported althought it shows up in obs whats up with that?
Quick questions: I bought this for my streaming setup. What I am trying to do is stream 720p59 from an older Xbox One to my PC with limited lag. My processor is an AMD FX-8320E Eight Core and my Video Card is a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GDDR5 Dual-Fan Video Card. I installed the capture card because I bought it before understanding how steep the system requirements were and it arrived and I decided to give it a try. So after about an hour of use, my processor temps are hovering in the low 60 degree Celsius range and my PC isn't radiating heat. Is it acceptable to use this card as long as I neve try to run it at its highest settings or is it still dangerous?
@EposVox I don't know if you can answer this, but I give it a try.
The minimum specs for using this card is said to be i7 gen 6 or newer + gtx 10-series.
My question is, I'm considering getting one but my stream-pc have a i7-5820k (x99) and a gtx1080. Will this even work? Since it's technically an older cpu than min.requirements but still a more powerful cpu than some of the 6th gen i7's ?? i will mirror my 1440p144 monitor but output 900p60 through OBS.