Forgotten Weapons Q&A November 2015
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Thanks to the awesome people supporting Forgotten Weapons through Patreon for sending in more questions that I could get to for another month! I took on a whole bunch of them, on subjects including:
* Browning lock vs others in handguns
* Best modern weapon for WWI
* Turret revolvers
* Affordable "forgotten weapons"
* Welrod pistol
* C&R rifle parts sources
* WWII souvenir?
* Finnish firearms
* Garage-built firearms that hit it big
* What guns ought to be reproduced today?
* My own background
* Early striker-fired pistols
And more!
The TFB TV video where I explain why I don't like the G3: • 4 Guns We Don't Like (...
Never thought I'd see an imac sitting next to hand grenades and a 1911.
I've seen an IMac shot by a 1911. Does that count?
These Q&A videos are my favorite videos that you do simply because they're so long which means I get 40 minutes of interesting content instead of just maybe 10 or fifteen minutes with a regular video. I really enjoy the channel.
Hi Ian, I really enjoyed this Q&A video. The breadth of questions and the opportunity for you to answer them at length was really nice. I have signed up to support you with Paetron just because I love hearing you talk about cool and interesting guns. When I saw the length of the video (41 minutes), I wondered if it would keep my interest for that long. It did, and did it well. I thoroughly enjoyed all of it, much more than I enjoy 99% of what is on TV today. I really think this is the future of "infotainment", where fans directly support people producing high quality video articles about things both the fan and producer share an interest in. It is very clear to me you love what you are doing. Keep up the outstanding work. I always look forward to hearing about the new and unusual guns you have found to show us. The best part about Forgotten Weapons is when I see the title and go, "I have never seen or heard anything about that gun." I love watching those videos for the "wow, that's neat," "huh, I wouldn't that thought of that" and the "Nice, I learned something" factors. All the best. Kerry
+krmould Thank you!
+Forgotten Weapons Do you have an opinion of the Walt Kuleck builders/owners guide books?
I love the ME tech background. doing math homework can only take you so far. doing actual hands on machining, casting, and engineering design is fantastic.
It's amazing how I can sit for 40 minutes straight, drinking tea, chainsmoking, listening to a jesus looking guy talking about old firearms, and remain genuinely interested. Cheers Ian, you should be a teacher or something. :D
polishjerk Totally agree. Just discovered this channel and think it is YT at its best. It is exactly the sort of content network TV will never produce due to audience attention span - and public TV will never produce due to political realities. Bravo, Ian!
I always loved that this channel is immortalizing forgotten history for future generations. Very altruistic and noble.
The best way to find affordable "forgotten" weapons is to look over gun shops with a cell phone to reference values, and to give you an idea of whether or not the rifle is correct. I've ran across a few cool guns that way, most notably a Krieghoff Mauser with a quite nicely carved stock.
Being a fan of Forgotten Weapons, let me say thank you to those who contribute on Patreon, as I cannot.
Always great to hear your opinion on things, Ian. this is one of my favorite channels on TH-cam.
Got me a Swiss k31 for 300CAD, they are beautiful somewhat forgotten rifles that are not that uncommon. Which was part of the appeal for me as I can get a good amount of ammo for it for not much more than surplus 7.62x54R(Rimmed for the extractors pleasure).
Thank you Ian for putting all this knowledge on the internet for everybody, as cheesy as it sounds you are making the world a better place.
I love The Mosin-Nagant, and I have worked on loads of them.
Honestly I love the engineering more then shooting them.
I do like the fact they you have to engage & meet great people in order to learn this craft. I greatly enjoy that you explore a gun in all of is aspects. History, and it's engineering.
I would ask you to do a show on the Mosin-Nagent, as it has such a history, and I will give you that it is not a "Forgotten Weapon" Kids who play games, or who use one as a cost effective deer rifle know little about the rich history of this weapon, and that it's not all the 91/30.
Again I thank you for your content, and am gladly subscribed, and will ask friends to do the same.
I have a Star 30M handgun I purchased relatively cheap for doing the pistol tactical classes. I had features not seen on more modern guns until years later, like the slide that rode inside the frame. Very well made and very accurate. It was the Spanish military pistol for for yrs.
Thanks Ian. You approach to firearms and historic relevance is intriguing. I'm still fairly new to firearms and can appreciate the fascinating one-offs you bring to your channel.
one of the best channels on youtube right here! Thanks Ian, for providing such an awesome, informational channel, that us Gun aficionado can slobber over. We all greatly appreciate it! You're awesome
I gotta say that Forgotten Weapons is one of my favorite "gun channels". You are a very good presenter, and your subject is fascinating. I don't have any particular desire to own the weapons you review, but I do find many of them quite interesting. Keep up the good work!
Very cool and informative stuff, Ian. It was especially cool getting to know your background a bit. Thank you for all the content and dedication.
+Forgotten Weapons Ian, grats on reaching over 1000 Patreon patrons!
I've heard the Owen smg was also pretty much a garage built gun to begin with.
I would love to have shootable reproductions of:
-Gabbett-Fairfax-Mars Pistol
-Volcanic Pistol
-Schönberger-Laumann Pistol,
-Early Bergmanns Pistol -in available cartridges
-Mauser 06/08
Next to the Schwarzlose 1898 pistol, you mentioned already.
Love these videos, covering all different subjects. I love the interesting items on the shelves. Always causes some thought. Best channel on TH-cam, along with In Range TV. Great video as always. Thank you
Soon the Taurus "CURVE" will be a Forgotten Weapon! : )Great Channel....thanks.
I see a lot of people talking about the AR being a poor decision for trench warfare due to perceived reliability issues. What they aren't taking into consideration is the daily cleaning of rifles after the morning hate. This would greatly reduce the probability of a catastrophic malfunction, as if properly maintained an AR platform rifle is pretty reliable
The SMG Suomi KP-31 was prone to jamming when dusty because of the very high manufacturing tolerances and practically hermetically sealing mass block locking. But I'd love to see you Ian to take it apart and shoot it on the Forgotten Weapons since it is a quite unique SMG mechanically. Just make sure you use the hottest 124gr full house loads or the weapon won't reload because of the weight of the mass block. High rate of fire too, 900-1000rpm with full house loads.
Great show, watch each morning, Thanks Ian
I just wanted to say i know nothing about guns or even care for them. I happened across your channel and find my self enjoying the history of gun's. I now appreciate and find myself understanding guns. Thank's for making gun's enjoyable. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. This channel isn't political also and i find that refreshing.
This is the best channel on youtube. You are the man Ian!! Thanks for posting.
Hey Ian (and whoever else is curious), on the subject of new stocks for C&R guns, you can get custom wood stocks turned out by a number of woodworking "companies" (mostly just hobbyist dudes with lathes in the garage) that are very high quality. If you want something for a surplus gun and you can't find it elsewhere, it's possible to get one lathed. I live in OR and there's a fair bit of business in little orders like that, although you did say this and it's true: it isn't economically a great idea since the stock will probably cost quite a bit. Still, you can get super good stocks out of better woods (typically hardwoods). If you happen to live in a state where the practice is common like OR, you can just call a guy up and ask if he'll make a stock for your Mosin (or whatever) and just drive out to his place and pick it up.
Great Q&A. Thank you Ian.
Such a great episode!!! I wish I was in a position to "kick in" but I scrape by (on SSID) as it is. Love your channel, Ian. At least you've go one broken-down old coot's appreciation, FWIW!!
INB4 Uberti goes off and builds the burgess shotgun since you said "cowboy action shooters"
Great Q&A. Very informative and interesting.
Always enjoy your videos; keep up the good work.
Keep up the great work, Ian!
Well done Ian, this is the best gun channel on youtube.
forgotten weapons has put to bed the urban legend that the AK performs better than the AR in adverse conditions the AR laid the AK to rest and I love the AK but I saw it with my own eyes
loved the video ian!
for what its worth, the "fast action" mechanism on the lionheart is also used on the commercial Hi-power's with the SFS (safe fast shooting) system. i do not know which came first but its an interesting concept.
amazing video. many thanks
Alexander Forsyth's percussion scent bottle device used a striker to ignite the priming powder in the pan.
Another great video
enjoying this!
Vid review that Steyr GB. They will cycle even with squib loads - I watched while one was fired until five bullets lodged in the barrel and it finally bulged too much for the slide to cycle. Once the bulged barrel was replaced it worked just fine.
Great stuff!
44 automag Review?
There are sooo many cool "Forgotten Firearms" out there for affordable prices. Lots of neat military surplus is on the market right now, stuff like the Spanish Star Super B 9mm pistol, Polish Radom P-64 9x18 pistol, Romanian/Yugoslavian/Polish 7.62x25mm Tokarev pistol variants, Hungarian 9x18 Makarov pistol. I think one of the most under appreciated "Forgotten Rifles" is the Swiss straight-pull series of rifles including the Schmidt-Rubin and the later K-31, which are out there for 300.00-400.00 dollars, sometimes less.
Good video, saw that Steyr GB my all time favorite 9mm although most people think that its just weird. Has a very interesting. at least to me, mechanism and I had one in the late 80's that was very very accurate. It became an assault weapon where I live because it held 18 rounds in the magazine.
I also had a chain fire on a brass framed Remington 1858 replica very exciting to say the least pistol actually was not damaged other than the loading lever screw, and it laid waste to the target for sure.
Anyway sorry to go off on a tangent, liked the vid very much thanks.
Great videos.
34:30 FULL TIME HISTORICAL FIREARMS VLOGGER!!! Living the dream! Way to go!
Fucking legend! I'm from Australia and we have had a very strong gun control laws here for some time now. I have never had the opportunity to fire any sort or fire arm really except on farms and that was a once off. I really enjoy listening and watching your commentary on guns and the whole disassembly / assembly process and the history of various manufacturers and developmental stages of various gun! keep up the good work!
You should do a quick video on your library of reference books!
Dude I was just hanging out with my old friends Mark & Kris at Prescott Brewing yesterday.
HNY!
Thanks Doc
to David Sharp who's question was about forgotten weapons that are economical and useful, YES some of the best rifles out there are way under-appreciated, for example my SAFN-49, it's very similar to an M-14 in use and feel, though it disassembles more like an SVT. look outside the box and you can find some great deals on firearms that didn't commercially make it
Saw a Hembrug on the thumbnail... and just had to click the video. On a related note, the .303 Hembrugs are something to be extremely careful with because apparently some enterprising bubbas did similar conversions that are absolutely not up to spec (similar to the Bannerman .30-06 Mosins) and have horrendous headspace issues.
keep them coming you are my favorite Firearms You Tube channel
Although the AK-47 is most people's idea of a true mud weapon, I have to agree with you about the AR-15 being as good or better in the trenches. However I'd also give a shout-out to a bullpup design, especially the Australian F88S Austeyr. It could get kind crowded in trench raids, and a sharpened entrenching shovel was often found to be a better bet than a Lee Enfield, with or without a bayonet. The Aussies love their funny little bullpup rifles, especially in some very tight compound fights and they are apparently as reliable as the AR.
Ian another great video,
Question..... What shampoo and conditioner to you use on those lovely long locks haha ?
I like to think of the browning FN1900 to be the first successful striker fired semi-auto pistol.
Love these videos. I went to school for materials engineering technology haha.
Nice Ian. . ..When I here "muddy", I'm more inclined to think AK47/74. But what do I know. Thanks for all your hard work! i/we really appreciate you.
Ian. I am a new Patreon contributor. Love your channel! Best content on TH-cam!
The question about a modern rifle inserted into WWI. You said AR-15...
I agree with you 99.9% of the time, but given that WWI, being a pretty universal .30 cal’sh war, wouldn’t an AR-10 derivative in .30 cal be the optimal choice? WWI had a lot of very prepared defensive positions. .22 cal versus .30 cal??? I’m just saying???
Thoughts???
What about SCAR-17 full size in 7.62?...WWI & WWII as a battle rifle???
Yup I learned the rifle stock lesson on a Sporterized No. V mk 1 Jungle Carbine I picked up at a gun show. I figured it wouldn't be hard to find a replacement stock and I could restore it. I might as well have gone unicorn hunting because I would have had more success doing that. At least none of the parts were chopped so it still is a cool rifle and my first ever C&R purchase.
Ian, about the Dutch Mannlicher. It actually is based of the 1890 model. The rifle was formally adopted on December 4, 1895, thus naming it M.95. Further the production from 1895 to 1904 was in Austria-Hungary because of distrust of local produced rifles. From 1904 all rifles where produced locally in the Netherlands for a much lower cost and with good quality. Most rifles therefore are made in the Netherlands.
There was a commission in 1910 which recommended rebarrelling all the rifles to 7,92x57mm . That didn't happen because it would cost money and spending more money than strictly necessary on the army is a political sin in this country. So in 1940 the standard ammunition was round nosed 6,5mm FMJ designed before 1895. Makes you wonder why the Indonesian army preferred .303. :P
BTW, for those not extremely familiar with US firearms regulations, "C&R" refers to the "Curios & Relics" category: www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics
I love you gun Jesus
FN M16A2, with its solid stock, 20 inch barrel and bayonet lug, with a US M4 bayonet. That was a set up.
Ian for some time in the future if you ever get the chance would you like to do the DeLisle .45 Silenced Carbine?Id would be very interested in your opinion of it!
I enjoyed the video!
As a cowboy action shooter I agree with you on the Burgess shotgun reproduction. The Italians make a Colt Burgess rifle (which nobody uses), I wish they would make the shotgun instead. I'm sure there would be a huge market for a well made Italian repro. I've always wanted one and would prefer one to an 1897. If I could choose another it would be a Merwin, Hulbert & Co. open top army revolver. I think someone tried to make a repro in the US a few years ago and ended up walking away with his investors money instead. Pity, those where the best revolvers of the 1800's.
To mention another finnish weapons designer: Jali Timari and his Jati-Matic submachine gun from the eighties.
Interesting mechanical concept ("Fire") and can be seen in "City Cobra" with a clumsy huuuge laser sight.
Hi Ian, your channel is great! One question I've always had (and figure you could answer with your background) was how did machinists get perfect (or within tolerance) reproductions of parts in the early 20th century without cnc? Did they have a mechanical cnc analogue, or would they just rely on dudes on lathes pumping parts out enough that eventually they got it right?
Thanks!
+Jonathan Stahlhacke Two ways. First, manual machines have dial indicators to tell you exactly how far you are moving, and a skilled manual machinist can make something just as precise as a CNC, just slower. Second, on a mass-production factory level parts were often made on a whole series of machines, with each machine pre-set to do a single operation. For example, FN still has the original tooling for making High Power barrels, which consists of about 30 shapers in a series, each one making a single cut. Start with a rifled blank, and by the time it has gone through each machine (which requires no more skill than swapping parts in a CNC today) you have a complete part made to spec.
Another Example of the "garage tinkerer's gun" is the Owen Sub Machine gun. Used by the Australian Army in WWII and Korea.
As an AR guy, I really thought you were gonna say an AK variant rifle for the WWI question. And it would have been totally justified, heck I want several AK's myself. But hats off for some AR love. A wise man once said, "An AR-15 is a lot more reliable than people think, and an AK is a lot more accurate than people think." I think those who have been doing this a while will agree.
Did you had Mateba for review. would love to see you shoot the automatic revolver and explain how it works.
Speaking of interesting, charismatic, but not particularly rare or expensive guns, I recently acquired an Ortgies, which (for those of you who may not know) is a smallish pocket auto made in Germany starting just after WWI. It's in 7.65mm (also known as .32 ACP) and has the oddest safety I can recall encountering on an auto pistol. Otherwise unremarkable (except that it's oddly heavy for its size), but well-made and comfortable if you don't mind using a genteel pinky-out teacup grip. Well worth the $300 worth of other stuff I traded for it, just for its "huh, I never saw one of those before" value. Also, I am required by Federal law to add, "An Ortgies was mentioned in a short story by J.D. Salinger, you know." :)
(Which reminds me - Ian, I sent you a TH-cam PM a bit ago offering the loan of the Ortgies sometime if you have any interest in doing an FW item about it, but I have one of those weird pre-Google TH-cam accounts and I'm not sure PMing from/to those even works, so I may as well mention it here too.)
Good Video..Thanks..
I agree. the ar15 for ww1. never had an issue with my rifle Inn the dirt and mud.
Re Stocks that is the perfect thing for 3D printing (or CNC wood working). I'm surprised there isn't a company that can print out stocks on demand.
One Finish rifle not mentioned was the Carcano 7.35. Probably just as well since front line troops didn't like them. Also I think stocks were made for rifles but after they went surplus they were worthless in their country of origin. I know a guy that found a barn full of Springfield stocks probably 50 years ago. He said the owner was using them as fire wood. They were worthless at the time. Although I haven't tried it some of the new CNC wood copy machines that a few wood working shops have might be able to make new stocks.
Any chance of a look at the not-so-forgotten PIAT or similar weaponry? I don't know how many of them pop up in the US though.
i have had chainfire. i had the front blow off. fortunately i had a wood barrel pin it only took me 2 hours to find the barrel. not shootable anymore but still pretty. just kinda bent. and as much as i love your vids and fascinating choices? i am not a collector, i shoot what i have. and use what i have for hunting or self defence. but i do love shooting what i have inherited.
+Alexis Winterborn of course it was my fault! i kinda didnt grease the front of the cylinder
+UnaSolida Smooth
i am pretty sure my fiancee would have a prettty big problem with that!
Ian, is there any way you could get your hands on a G11? I know only a few were made but they are a damn interesting gun.
explain old style machine-gun belts, non disintegrating links and disintegrating links and can they used /interchange with some types of machine guns types ?
Is that a King George V Battleship model on your shelf?
Any chance you could do an episode on Polish firearms like for example ViS pistol or PM-63 SMG??
Im surprised by the AR15 comment. Not because I dont agree with it but because you actually said it LOL!
You know, everyone on the internet always tells me how unreliable the AR is and how much better the AK is. But honestly Ive never had a major problem with my AR. Maybe im just not abusing it enough? If I never read conjecture on the internet and just base off my personal experience, my AR is one of the most reliable guns I own.
Although for trench warfare I think id want a -10 instead of a -15... sitting in a trench taking potshots, something like a semi-auto 308 with a moderate power scope would be ideal...
Does anyone else think it is a bunch of BS that Demolition Ranch has over one million subscribers and this channel doesn't?! We need to promote the channel more through social media.
+Frank Dantuono Demolition Ranch is a very successful channel, but I think that is at least partly because it appeals to a less mature or less intellectually curious demographic.
+SBwingman I would tend to agree, that and demo ranch does answer questions i have with out me spending money to find out lol. I could, in theory research everything thing Ian says... granted in a far less charismatic way.
+SBwingman youtube's main demographic are teenagers. which is why being obnoxious and foolish, and screaming and yelling like a banshee will always garner more views
+Son of a Zombie Haha! Quite the cynical view, if I may be so bold. But can't deny that there's some truth to it. Maybe some first mover advantages; and people do love to see something explode when shot with a rifle; which I have always found quite weird tbh.
Edit: Also to be fair, Ian's channel here has had quite a good growth rate. I subscribed when he had about emm, 5k subs, and that was probably around 1.5-2 years ago, if I am not mistaken.
Himanshu Gogoi Yeah, you have a point. I subscribed in the tail end of 2012 and I cannot remember how many subs he had (not many).
I want a cozy room like that.
1 short and 1 (i think) difficult question? What is you opinion on the Steyr AUG (since i'm from austria)? And would it be possible for you (or anyone for that matter) to take a look at the TKB-022PM prototype russian bullpup guns from the 60s? Would love to see how those work.
mr. ian its recently come to my attn. that marlin used to make a model 81 which is said to be identical to the jc. higgins model 10313 my higgins is chambered in .22 cal. i was just curious is this true ive searched online and only found a pic. of a marlin model 81 they do appear identical on the outside
Ian, what is an original 1873 Springfield 45-70 still in working order, everything is good and tight with expected wear on the stock and metal worth? a family friend and gun collector gave one to my father. also as for forgotten guns, one I haven't seen you do is a Husqvarna 1907, which he also owns. what do you think about Husqvarna guns, they've been around since the 1600s.
the flow is out of control!!
I have to ask about the WWI scenario. You said AR-15 I get your point and everything but you are talking about AR-15 with specific caliber 5,56x45. What interest me more is what kind of rifle/design would you choose if you had to combine it with WWI calibers like 30.06 , .303 , 7,62 or 7,92. In this case it will be still AR platform but combined with these cartriges? I dont know much about ammo of that era but it could be more dirt from the powder to make AR jammed? Simply you get yourself in WWI trench and you have to share ammo wiht others Is AR platform still a good option?
PS has anyone ever made a beefier extractor for pump action shotguns that would be able to handle adapter inserts? If I wanted to fire rifle calibers out of my mossberg would I just need heavier parts?
any chance of a shooting video of a dardick revolver? I've seen reviews but never any footage of one in operation
With you on an FG 42......apart from the gloat value a mint original would buy the GI's grandkids a very nice automobile at least!
Is that a model of a King George V Class Battleship in the Background?^^
I would give a WWI soldier a Vulcan mini-gun. That would be interesting to watch.
+rentacow No no no, if you had that chance, don't give it to a soldier, give it to an engineer so he can dissect it and produce more! =P
How about a robotic .50 cal then? With iPad control!
+Joel deSanto vulcans are not used as door guns, and the p90 would not be my first choice in a firearm, its still in its infancy. I would rather take a proven solid rifle
@12:00 Smith and Wesson 4006, 4506, and Model 59 for the win.
I have a question pertaining to the mosin nagant. With this gun slowly picking up popularity and stock slowly draining, do you think anyone would pick up the gun and make replicas like the M1 garand? Or would the market just not have enough demand?