edit: for derp! True, but the Para model of the M249Mk48 seems to have become quite popular, mainly due to the high level of vehicle ops/COIN Ops that most on the Western Nations are engaging in. I suspect that If/When the Western militaries re-focus on a more conventional open field operations they will probably go back to a greater issuance of longer barrel models for the reasons Ian highlighted. SOF units excluded, their unit requirements are a lot more "Unique" you might say.
@@Rainersherwood Very true, SoF units really don't want to lose personnel due to combat injuries/loss, so they need to maintain their situational awareness, but also can't afford to lose personnel from "non-combat" attrition, like hearing lose. So they have embraced Active hearing protection much faster than the "Big" Military. A set of Peltors with integrated comms for a 10-12 man team is worth the money spent, trying to equip a combat brigade with the same units would make a pentagon bean counter have an aneurysm. Now if someone could just get the price of the current high end custom fit active plugs down to a reasonable range even I would drop $150-200 USD on a set & the Government would be able to use economy of scale to drive the price down even farther. But even the US government isn't going to spend $300-400 USD on each Gun-bunney in the Army/Marines so the rank'n'file has to go without. Plus SoF is willing to drop the USD to put a high durability can on a M249/Mk48, Big Army wants to, but will never spent the money for it.
IME the short barrels were only used for dismounted operations, for weight. Once we mounted up, the long barrels went back on for range and velocity. The “Para” M249 is an answer to Officers’ desire to use a light machine gun as a automatic rifle, IE you do the same CQB drills as the guys with M4s, your gun just weighs three times as much or more. It’s stupid.
The loudness concern is very minor. The main reason you want a long barrel on a machinegun is muzzle flash at night, you tend to be more stationary with the mg so you don’t want the enemy to see a big flash where mg is since its the most urgent target. The 45cm barrel on the fn mag was specifically selected due to being the minimum barrel lenght requierd to burn almost all of the powder and not causing flash. That’s why most military 308 rifles has around a 18 inch barrel.
@@509Gmanan advantage of longer barrels is that because they have more mass, this ends up helping to distribute the heat and thus extending the overheat time
Ian talking about Sten guns firing when dropped reminds me of a story from my Granddad, to summaries it the mid 50's and he along with many young Dutch males his age have been conscripted for a term of national service and during a night patrol his partner got so fed up with Army life he SLAMMED his STEN (think bottom of the barrel guns the UK did not want that were given as military aid) and the STEN fires of a burst of round. This puts the whole base on alert and a security team and several officers rush over on bikes to investigate.
When I was young, my friend's father was Dutch and had been a conscript in Dutch East Indies campaign against insurgents. He had been wounded when a Sten was dropped.
@@AGS363 we rode on Bikes whilst the Germans had Panzers and Half Tracks :p (general view of our military in the civilian eyes isn't very positive although we don't look negative at Soldiers, and yes I am aware that we do have a solid International reputation for our military)
There are only 2 things about the 5.7 that are remotely interesting 1) the AP rounds we're not allowed to own and 2) the P90 sub gun ... that we're not allowed to own.
Except muzzleloaders, which also have an intake stroke and a compression stroke. For everything else subject to intense, repeated friction, there’s Break-Free CLP. Or Astroglide.
@@andrewbroeker9819 I've used Mobil 1 5w20 for as long as I can remember. Works as well or better than any other gun oil, and having read the msds sheet it is as benign a synyhetic oil as you can get, again most certainly exceeding many other gun oils. My favorite line from the msds in on ingestion which states no action usually required, and to seek medical attention if discomfort occurs.
I think it's funny that when describing the accidental bolt release of a sten, Ian actually moved his hand as though he had a sten in front of him. Most people don't get to hold enough submachine guns to do that instinctively.
Ian, you overlooked a very useful and convenient use of 3D printing: remember those very rare en bloc and stripper clips that were never meant for re-use? They are rare and they get damaged or worn after each use. Now, you can print up any stripper or en bloc clips. Never have to pay ridiculous price for a 100 year old clip that does not even work well or at all. You can have all the RSC clips, Mannlicher clips, etc. that you want and never have to worry about damaging or losing them because you just print more of them.
On the "three dot rifle sight question" - a good example of this is the Yugo SKS. (it might be others, but that is the one I have experience with). It features traditional notch rifle sights, but has flip up three dot style tritium night sights. They work well and I have used them on a pig hunt.
Thank you for subtly correcting @Captain Coconut - I don't know why some people still can't understand that England and Britain aren't interchangeable terms. Nicely done Sir.
Kennard McFord in the summer someone in my neighborhood practices his (or her) pipes, I can’t find the source since I’m hearing the echo off the massive hospital walls.
Re: the Webley, Britain was flat broke during and between the wars. Every tonne of steel and coal, every worker and every machine was a precious commodity that was desperately needed for fifteen different things. Tooling up for an automatic pistol would mean *not* tooling up for something else. We would have kept the Webley even if it was lousy because sidearms don't win battles, but it was actually perfectly satisfactory for the intended role.
Sidearms are just really, really low on the list of priorities. If given the choice between a great rifle or SMG paired with a Webley or instead a World War One SMG paired with a Browning Hi-Power take the Webley. And for WWII ignore the small arms and focus on artillery, planes, ships & tanks.
It is nice to see Ian, and you guys, sharing the shocking-to-some revelation that military pistols are (other than for maybe MP's and certainly highly trained SF troops) an irrelevance in warfare. I love the 1911 (and have 3 of them) but to say it "won 2 world wars"? Get real. As the Boarding party/Landing party Officer on my RAN ship I was issued a Browning Hi Power, because "Officers carry pistols". I said to the young QMG in the Armory... "Great!.. Ive got my pistol. Now..give me that F1" LOL
Weird Italian Machineguns, and no mention of the Perino Model 1908, which used a hopper of 5 twenty-round clips, the idea being that the loader could keep topping up the hopper.
Sort of a combination of the Breda 30, Hotchkiss, and Type 11. Hopper like the Type 11, Feeds the strip through like a Hotchkiss, and keeps the empty cases in the strip like the Breda 30. Very cool design.
@@nirfz What are you talking about? You told me I was talking about the Austrian issued one. I said yes that's why I specifically used the Stg-77 designation. No you go one about how the International version is the same, which I don't know. I served in the Austrian Army and saw a few there, I don't know if the Australian licensed ones have this back up irones.
@@johnm3907 well yes, but actually no. The name "Long Colt" comes from the military adopting .45 Schofield (same diameter and will fire out of a .45 Colt, but a .45 Colt would not fit in a Schofield revolver) and creating this kind of unofficial nomenclature to make the average man with a revolver be able to know that .45 Colt is the long one, so they don't try to stick it in the shorter Schofield chambers.
Ian, as read, Gabriel’s question was about the Sten being made in 1920, not 2020. Thus, I found the mention of polymer rather jarring. Regarding oil & cleaning, I heard Ken Hackathorn say that in most of the world guns are cleaned with diesel and lubed with motor oil. Makes our proliferation of magic snake oil seem laughable.😅 Really enjoyed your Q&A, thanks.
Indeed very good of him to realise the position he is in and tries his best to ensure the highest possible quality of content and be as Correct as possible, one of the reasons I love watching his content
Regarding short recoil smgs: the steyer tmp is also short recoil operated with a rotating barrel locking system. They're still sold today by b&t. Also, LWRCI's new smg45 is short recoil as well. They keep calling it delayed blowback, but if you see one taken apart, it's just short recoil w/ a vertically traveling locking block. Similar to the strike 1 pistol and bergmann 1910.
You mentioned weapons training and weight loads. Years ago the US Military(and I assume every other military) did a study on how much weight soldiers could effectively carry. They found the average soldier(NOT Green Beret, Ranger, SEAL) could effectively carry approx 50lbs of gear while maintaining a 4 mile per hour road march pace over long distances. Increasing the weight load rapidly diminished the speed and range of the soldiers. Also increased number of injuries. For what is called a FORCE MARCH, typically soldiers drop their extra gear and only keep what was available on the LBE or LCE( whichever way you learned it. I heard both.) The speed of a FORCE march was 6 miles per hour. Weapons training doctrine in WW2 and for a little while there after was dominated by the longest shot possible training. Most units trained to shoot targets out to 1000 yards. The reality of combat showed that most engagements were at a much closer range. Shifting the training doctrine to more shooting at shorter ranges. Hitting a 300 yard target repeatedly is better training than hitting a 1000 yard target once. Breeds confidence in skills. Those that shot well were given the opportunity to shoot targets at longer range. Economics being a factor why waste ammo and time on people who may never be able to shoot consistently at longer range targets. Enter the Sniper schools. Only train those that show an aptitude for it. Also after Vietnam during training the Drill Sergeants would many times use the term WEAPONS FAMILIARIZATION. This term is just that. Training that familiarizes a soldier with a particular piece of equipment but not enough to make them an expert. How to safely load, fire, engage targets, clear malfunctions, unload, and clean. FORSCOM TRADOC set the parameters. Soldiers in Combat Arms units in the 1980s qualified twice a year with the M16 platform approx 200 rounds each time Zero through Qualification and with crew served weapons once per year. Non combat MOS soldiers qualified once per year. The level of marksmanship and hand to hand combat training had gone down up until the late 1980s. A period of relative peace for the US Military. The Urban legend of the reasoning was that if there was a war troops who were FAMILIAR(there is that word again) could be trained up quickly during predeployment cycles. If there was no war, when soldiers ETS out of the service their skills would degrade rapidly without training and they would not be a menace to society. I.E. trained killers walking the streets.
I think Kimber started out making rifles and started making 1911s in the 90s when the AWB made 8rds of 45acp preferable to 10 of 9mm. I might be wrong but Kimber isn't a century old American gun maker
@@oceanhome2023 I've never lived in AZ but as a Florida man, I definitely must pay my respects to such a man. Kinda sucks being 100 degrees with 95% humidity all summer long without A/C
Here’s a great graphic on it : th-cam.com/video/LIXUbauy8Hc/w-d-xo.html Also, check out the Lewis MG by the same guy - it’s mesmerising and technically superb.
Here in the deep South we have more humid conditions, so occasional planned maintenance is a good idea. Most of my Enfields are used fairly frequently, but even so a check every few months is a good idea. A little Hoppe's and Breakfree is used. I also occasionally use oil soap on the furniture, or even commercial furniture polish to keep mold off the stocks.
Oh, scuba diving is a lot of fun, and not that far off from guns when it comes to safety and procedures (and risk), even if the context is obviously different. Hope you like it !
One quirk of long-barreled 9mm carbines that gets overlooked here I think is armor penetration. Yes, you start getting diminishing returns past 10 inches, but you can still gain velocity up to around 13-14 inches, and that extra velocity can aid in more reliable penetration of soft body armor or environmental barriers. Yes, it's less effective than an actual rifle round, but it's a notable advantage over normal pistols for organizations interested in simplified logistics, and I think it's an overlooked facet of long-barreled 9mm.
I threatened to leave one of my best friends stranded on the side of the road when he began to practice on his chanter in the back of the van on a long road trip. So it was likely smart to stop piping in college.
US Army recently dropped a required grenade throwing test along with testing land navigation in boot camp. They needed more time for "awareness" classes and the like.
The fail rates at those tasks was pretty staggering when I went through. You just can’t adequately teach land nav in one day (which is the amount of time given to the task when I went through), and most young Americans today play video games instead of throw baseballs.
I've posted my disgust with the M3/M3A1 submachine gun a few times here but your comments on the magazines for the M1 Carbine make me wonder if we had considered the mags for the submachine gun to be a "disposable" item to use once or twice and then replace if that might not have helped the reliability issues I had with them as a unit armorer. Interesting to consider at least.
Ideas bounce back and fourth. Researchers: we have a revolutionary idea. Boss man: tell me more Researchers: well, remember what we were doing 10 years back?
Wonderfull video. Just a little clarification, at 36:30 you are describing the Breda 37, the infantry model; the empty cases retention device/mechanism was officially (I'm Italian and have read the original manual and speak to one wartime officer) to recover the brass for economise scarce material and up to a point to recharge them. The tank model, the Breda 38 have a much simpler top feeding box magazine and a canvass bag to retain the spent case.
@@TragicTester034 well, the PP-19-01 Vityaz actually is in 9x19mm. If you're talking about 9x18mm Makarov, then you probably mean the PP-19 Bizon, but the 9x18mm Makarov is by all means the opposite of rare in Russian guns.
28:46 One reason the army chose to develop a .30 caliber round for the M1 carbine was so the barrels could be bored using existing .30 caliber boring tools, thus reducing cost and time needed to set up production lines.
My great grandfather talked about an incident in the korean theatre where a relatively old, well worn M3 Grease Gun, dumped its mag and scared everyone in the barracks when it was tossed on a bunk.
Arizona and New Mexico have a near perfect climate for preserving steel. Same reason the USAF has boneyards in the region. Bought a set of 1940's welders goggles from a lass in NM years ago for less than $10, the leather was dried and almost perished to dust but everything else was intact. Incidentally, the exact same type used in Memoirs of an Invisible Man iirc? Lenses helped make for some good astrophotography. =]
Ian, thank you for another great and informative video. Your dedication to making sure viewers have proper and correct information is unmatched. Keep up the great work. One day I hope to cross paths with you and shake your hand in person. Forgotten Weapons is undoubtedly my favorite channel on YT.
The image of Ian playing his bagpipes at full tilt in a college dorm room much to the annoyance of his roommate makes me laugh quite a lot for some reason
I noticed some Egyptian 8mm Mauser surplus ammo on classic the other day, any chance of getting a ammo testing video and evaluation? I really liked that series of videos.
Modern MGs are going shorter and shorter, but also are using modern design muzzle devices and often times short cans made more to reduce blast and flash than sound.
I thought it's the momentum that's conserved and applied equally forward and back, while recoil kinetic energy is not? The ones I've seen listed were much lower than the bullet's, at least.
Just to clarify, both momentum and energy are conserved. The division of them between objects of dissimilar masses derives from Newton's Second Law of Motion (Force=Mass*Acceleration) and his Third Law (equal and opposite force and reaction force). Given equal force and dissimilar masses we can see that the energy is not equally divided. The smaller mass will have more energy after the interaction because its acceleration from the force will be higher and energy increases with the square of the velocity.
diamondflaw Technically, energy is conserved, yes, but not mechanically. As explained, kinetic energy comes from momentum, which is conserved and equal on both « sides of the powder charge ». However total energy of the system mostly comes from the chemical transformation of the powder burning. There is no mechanical energy in a system consisting of just a standing gun. After firing, there is mechanical energy, in the form of at least 2 moving objects, but it’s not like you can sum your energies and get back your zero mechanical energy just because objects fly in opposite directions. Negative kinetic energies do not exist in classical physics.
@@Kar-wm5on Yes, you can add complexity by considering the actual process of conversion of chemical energy into thermal and mechanical energy and the way that the pressures involved result in the forces that I was talking about or by adding in modelling the masses and accelerations of the gasses generated. The energy in a closed system is still conserved.
On the subject of sub machine guns firing when dropped the first British soldier to die in Northern Ireland was in an accident involving a dropped Sterling SMG. There were other incidents including at least one to my knowledge of a SMG going off when the cocking handle caught in the webbing when raised to wave to mate on roof OP.. The safety on the SMG only locked the sear so the bolt could travel back far enough to engage a round without reaching the sear. By the 1980s the SMG was a little long in the tooth and many weapons had worn sears so would double tap from time to time when on single shot.
Ian, more often our guys had their families ship them knives. That's how the Randle Knife Co. Got started was GI's liked his fighting knives and had their families get him to make one and ship it to them. I'm sure there were others but I heard that's what put Randle on the map.
Ref a weapon loading and firing without having the trigger pulled - I had an incident in the late 80's with my SMG (Stirling). I was on the range to do my annual weapons test on it, firing a detail which was to be single shots at 25m, pulled the trigger and the weapon had a 'run away' (safety set to R, finger off trigger but still dumped the full mag of 28 rounds). I was in the kak due to loosing of a mag on auto (negligent discharge) and not carrying out the IA drill (remove mag - I reasoned letting go with one hand to remove the mag would be worse than holding it pointing down the range till all 28 had gone). All charges were dropped as it had not been a one off incident with the 9mm ammunition at the time, the report that filtered down to us was it was sub-standard (cheap) ammunition which could with some weapons push the bolt back far enough to pick up a round but not enough to engage the sear (the Stirling getting on a bit by then and being replaced).
I for one would love to see Ian diving sunken wrecks off the coast of Normandy. Particularly as I understand you can get into supply ships and still see the cargo of weapons and vehicles.
Hey Ian just on the Carbine question, I found it extremely odd that the Swedish designation for the G3 battle rifle is AK 4, meaning Automatic Carbine 4. Which kinda throws everything on it's head since according to the military it is a 1m long 7.62 firing Carbine. Is it still considered a Carbine in your eyes or is the naming procedures from the military always right?
In Greek καραμπίνα (karabina) is the...shotgun, carbine is αραβίδα /aravíδa/ to us, which means "arabian (rifle)" because Arabian horsemen used to carry their rifles (long or short) with the sling draped across the torso, over the left shoulder, which later became the typical carry of the Greek cavalryman. The name is still in usage in the Greek military, e.g. the M4/M4A1 is officially designated as an «αραβίδα»
@@shawnr771 That is a nomenclature problem specific to the AR platform. M16 20" barrel has been considered a carbine since inception. They called shorter versions carbines to make it easy. Often I have seen 24" as the cut off, though there is no rule per se.
@@sanguinemoon9201 Yes. I believe the definition is all over the place. More defined by marketers. The waters are muddy. In the 1960s there was also the CAR 15, a shortened version of the M16. Where the C actually stands for Colt. I believe the prototypes were called XM177s. On military paperwork M16A1s were written down by nomenclature. Rifle 5.56mm M16A1 followed by either a National Stock Number or serial number. I saw a couple of leftover CAR 15s that had not been refitted to M16A1 with full length barrels. Prior to the M4 versions. They were issued to LTs and Radio Operators if the unit had them at all. In my mind what defines a rifle and carbine has changed over the years. Now to me it is simple if it fires a bullet it is a weapon. Does it do what I need it to do. Yes. Can I get ammo for it without selling my kidneys. Yes. Sounds like a fine weapon let us go to the range and shoot.
Shawn R it’s a case of institutional inertia. The M16 replaced the M14 in numerical sequence (the M15 was the attempt to turn the M14 into a BAR replacement); therefor it is a rifle “because we say it is dammit!”. The M4 is the numerical replacement for the M3 and M2 carbine ( full auto M1 carbine, with and without IR night scope, respectively) (one may also argue the M3 submachine gun, since Delta was using those before MP5s that they bought in-house so they never went through army acquisitions, then they replaced with “proto-M4s” I’ll call em). So really, in US parlance, it’s whatever the Army tells you it is.
Ian, your gun oil answer is actually fantastic. "It doesn't matter" is sometimes more important information that "This is the best!" And I'm surprised that someone who looks so much like Robin Hood has never done much archery lol
3-dot setup was quite common on dangerous game and express rifles too. Mostly oversized ivory beads and inserts. Pretty sure radium was used too. Anyone looking to protect firearms which are likely to be stored for a while could do worse than look at some of the aerosol products intended for weld prep . I’ve used Rocol TFP ( thin film protectant ) in a damp climate with great success. Just clean the bore before shooting. Great point regarding reliability in both cars and guns !
Snubnose barrels on an MG would also not be able to take up as much heat because of their lower mass. So they'd overheat more quickly. Barrel length has also a lot to do with harmonic vibrations. There are a few sweet spots where the muzzle moves the least and shortening the barrel can lead to worse accuracy, especially at long ranges. You also want your muzzle to extend over fortifications like sandbags and thick bunkerwalls.
Regarding the Proofing question, around 24:00 , theoretically this is true. Practially however, there have been guns "in the wild" over here in germany with proofed barrels but without a chamber cut (gunsmith i visited last year had two of those, recent proof from a german proofhouse). A friend of mine encountered a proofed gun and barrel, where the barrel was only loosly screwed to the reciever and was wobbeling about quite a bit. That does make you wonder how these guns get through the overpressure proofing, especially since at least the proofhouses in germany are also supposed to do headspace checks on every gun beforehand...
The 9x19 AUG aka MP88 is also in use with the Austrian Police. (No surprise) BTW the current issue Police AUGs are fitted with a deflector, that allows it to be used by southpaws.Good news for you. Originally the Austrian Army rejected the left hand version on the theory that it would be easier to retrain 10% of the intake.
There is a piece of artillery sitting in my shed, a ww2 anti-tank gun on a three foot mount and some wheels to be pulled by a horse or mule or whatever. Don't have ammo as 60mm shells are illegal in Canada but the cannon has been kicking around the barn since 1953 so they can't say jack about it sitting in the driveway during spring summer and fall
People interested in edged weapons should watch the chanel , scholagladiatora' by Matt Easton. This man has a reputation in edged weapons as Ian in firearms.
Ian doing some scuba diving, near like cool wrecks and stuff would be pretty awesome. Not sure on the practicality of all of that, or his knowledge base as it applies to ships. Spoiler btw, they eat the gun oil over on InRange. Turns out a lot of that gun oil stuff is vegetable oil and good for cooking eggs with. As a separate note, Ian you should get a highland officer sword, basket hilted claymore. Goes with the pipes and stuff. Worth noting that Webley's were being phased at as was reasonable in WW2, that just had a much lower priority than producing useful things. Browning HiPowers made in Canada (who were already making them) replaced them for a lot of front line soldiers, for people that needed actually needed to use pistols they went with a few different semi-autos that they got where they could, like the HiPower, the Ballester-Molina, etc. Webley's saw a lot of use with the Home Guard, ie Dad's Army, because it really really didn't matter what guns they had, if they were using their service pistols it was because Nazis were on British soil everything was FUBAR. Bolotin should sound more like Ball-a-tin. The dominant Russian accent (Moscuvite) tends to say o like an a, probably just to fuck with people (other Russians as much as foreigners). There is something cool about toggle-locks.
Makes sense that he would've missed that, since in the Rk62 video he said the rear sight is an add-on even though he had almost flipped it all the way over in the video when he was showing the sight adjustment things
One note on the whole IAR thing - I don't see the USMC going back on the decision. They still will be using the M240 and possibly even the M249 in some situations, but the IAR fits one of those wierd Marine-only use cases and is why the procurement was started. The USMC by its design will always have equipment that doesn't make sense to anyone except to the USMC.
To Erics question. The red dot sight has reduced the time it takes to make a recruit a decent marksman compared to iron sights which in turn leaves more time to train with fancy widgets as Ian mentions.
I’d love to know how that g11 LMG/SAW things magazine worked because based on the one picture I’ve seen it looks like you are braking the back half of the gun open and shoving a small shoebox sized brick of ammo in and that’s about as fascinating as it gets for a loading mechanism on an lmg thing
During the Korean war, at the Chosen Reservoir, Garands froze up, but carbines still functioned, however, the Chinese infantry wore heavy quilted clothing which could stop .30 carbine ammo in sub zero weather.
7:00 if you take a look at sig's patents, they were trying to use a system where the entire inner frame of the gun slides back under recoil to smooth out the gun. iirc eventually only their machine gun used that.
The thing about soldiers not wearing hearing protection reminded me of that bit in _Black Hawk Down_ where the SAW gunner keeps deafening his buddy, who is really not happy with him. _Black Hawk Down_ is not a funny movie, obviously, but that scene is gold. Scuba diving in the desert?
On the subject of using captured enemy weapons, iirc Ian British and US paratroops and glider units would sometimes be issued MP40s because they were easier to carry with parachutes but also because they were deployed behind enemies lines so it was better logistically to just salvage ammo and gun parts from the enemy than issue military ones. Also while I don't know if it was one hundred percent true, I saw a video from History channel where I believe it was your father, who said in some instances US Marines during the Battle of Guadalcanal would capture and use Type 96 machine guns because they didn't have proper light machine guns themselves (they had the BAR but it was scarce and didn't work well in the jungles of the Solomon Islands). Also they had captured so many 6.5 Arisaka ammo that it wasn't impractical under some circumstances to use captured Japanese machine guns. Also the Type 89 grenade discharger was also reportedly a popular weapon among Allied troops if they could capture one and enough ammo for it.
Regarding snubnosed machine guns, there is also a bonus if the barrel is safely outside the vehicle!
edit: for derp!
True, but the Para model of the M249Mk48 seems to have become quite popular, mainly due to the high level of vehicle ops/COIN Ops that most on the Western Nations are engaging in. I suspect that If/When the Western militaries re-focus on a more conventional open field operations they will probably go back to a greater issuance of longer barrel models for the reasons Ian highlighted. SOF units excluded, their unit requirements are a lot more "Unique" you might say.
@@Rainersherwood Very true, SoF units really don't want to lose personnel due to combat injuries/loss, so they need to maintain their situational awareness, but also can't afford to lose personnel from "non-combat" attrition, like hearing lose. So they have embraced Active hearing protection much faster than the "Big" Military. A set of Peltors with integrated comms for a 10-12 man team is worth the money spent, trying to equip a combat brigade with the same units would make a pentagon bean counter have an aneurysm. Now if someone could just get the price of the current high end custom fit active plugs down to a reasonable range even I would drop $150-200 USD on a set & the Government would be able to use economy of scale to drive the price down even farther. But even the US government isn't going to spend $300-400 USD on each Gun-bunney in the Army/Marines so the rank'n'file has to go without. Plus SoF is willing to drop the USD to put a high durability can on a M249/Mk48, Big Army wants to, but will never spent the money for it.
IME the short barrels were only used for dismounted operations, for weight. Once we mounted up, the long barrels went back on for range and velocity. The “Para” M249 is an answer to Officers’ desire to use a light machine gun as a automatic rifle, IE you do the same CQB drills as the guys with M4s, your gun just weighs three times as much or more. It’s stupid.
The loudness concern is very minor. The main reason you want a long barrel on a machinegun is muzzle flash at night, you tend to be more stationary with the mg so you don’t want the enemy to see a big flash where mg is since its the most urgent target.
The 45cm barrel on the fn mag was specifically selected due to being the minimum barrel lenght requierd to burn almost all of the powder and not causing flash. That’s why most military 308 rifles has around a 18 inch barrel.
@@509Gmanan advantage of longer barrels is that because they have more mass, this ends up helping to distribute the heat and thus extending the overheat time
Ian talking about Sten guns firing when dropped reminds me of a story from my Granddad, to summaries it the mid 50's and he along with many young Dutch males his age have been conscripted for a term of national service and during a night patrol his partner got so fed up with Army life he SLAMMED his STEN (think bottom of the barrel guns the UK did not want that were given as military aid) and the STEN fires of a burst of round. This puts the whole base on alert and a security team and several officers rush over on bikes to investigate.
When I was young, my friend's father was Dutch and had been a conscript in Dutch East Indies campaign against insurgents. He had been wounded when a Sten was dropped.
"...and several officers rush over on bikes to investigate."
That is the most dutch thing possibel!
@@AGS363 we rode on Bikes whilst the Germans had Panzers and Half Tracks :p
(general view of our military in the civilian eyes isn't very positive although we don't look negative at Soldiers, and yes I am aware that we do have a solid International reputation for our military)
AGS363
Almost. If they had skated over on silver skates, then we'll talk.
@@ashcarrier6606 Perhaps stopping with a pirouette only addressing the recruit after briefly but enthusiastically clapping for themselves?
Pictures Ian in college picking up the the girls on horseback playing outlawed songs on outlawed pipes
@@Sableagle .....important point....on French bagpipes!
And yet I hear "Over the Hills and Far Away" by Gary Moore.
@@TheWolfsnack keep in mind there is such a thing albeit rare as french bagpipes.
Germany even has: Die Düdelsack
It was a widespread instrument all over Europe, with varying styles. Most have less pipes than the scottish one.
Sunday Morning in college, everyone else in the dorm is sleeping, Ian is wailing on his Highland Pipes and drinking Whisky.
If you're under 21, which one of these is more illegal?
@@vaclav_fejt ignoring a prudish law VS a legit war-crime?
drinking it is...
Ian has a drunk bagpiping story. And we must hear it.
There are only 2 things about the 5.7 that are remotely interesting 1) the AP rounds we're not allowed to own and 2) the P90 sub gun ... that we're not allowed to own.
Firearms are just one stroke engines with a free-floating piston, motor oil is ideal.
High moly cv grease is great
Ideal for the gun perhaps. I'd be interested to see how it compares for your lungs.
Except muzzleloaders, which also have an intake stroke and a compression stroke. For everything else subject to intense, repeated friction, there’s Break-Free CLP.
Or Astroglide.
@@andrewbroeker9819 I've used Mobil 1 5w20 for as long as I can remember. Works as well or better than any other gun oil, and having read the msds sheet it is as benign a synyhetic oil as you can get, again most certainly exceeding many other gun oils. My favorite line from the msds in on ingestion which states no action usually required, and to seek medical attention if discomfort occurs.
@@Tunechi_Lee That's different from inhaling partially burned fumes, but good to know.
I think it's funny that when describing the accidental bolt release of a sten, Ian actually moved his hand as though he had a sten in front of him. Most people don't get to hold enough submachine guns to do that instinctively.
I never knew I needed a video of Ian playing bagpipes, but now I /CERTAINLY/ do.
YES! We need a bagpipe video!
Scuba gear, eh? Looks like Ian is finally planning on going after all those S&W light rifles the British dumped into the ocean.
Ian, you overlooked a very useful and convenient use of 3D printing: remember those very rare en bloc and stripper clips that were never meant for re-use? They are rare and they get damaged or worn after each use. Now, you can print up any stripper or en bloc clips. Never have to pay ridiculous price for a 100 year old clip that does not even work well or at all. You can have all the RSC clips, Mannlicher clips, etc. that you want and never have to worry about damaging or losing them because you just print more of them.
On the "three dot rifle sight question" - a good example of this is the Yugo SKS. (it might be others, but that is the one I have experience with). It features traditional notch rifle sights, but has flip up three dot style tritium night sights. They work well and I have used them on a pig hunt.
You have an SKS the tritium isn't beat on? I've seen 2000s yugos with dead tritium
I don’t think people realize how awesome it would be to see Ian using “forgotten spearguns” to go fishing
Anyone else immediately think of Joerg Sprave's new airgun pistol?
He did this
Is it me or did Ian read 2020 when he said 1920? (9:20)
If so: care to try again Ian? Thank you for your amazingly prolific work.
Same here I heard 1920.
@Blake Ubersox hahaha, i was not suggesting doing the video again. But maybe answering the question in the comments.
Said 1920, meant 2020.
i was wondering as well lol thinking ?? damn i didnt know they had polymer in the 1920s
@@yo.mama100 high tech bakelite!
Scuba? Spear guns?
I see a dream collaboration with Jeorg Sprave in the future.
And ted's hold over.
Thank you for subtly correcting @Captain Coconut - I don't know why some people still can't understand that England and Britain aren't interchangeable terms.
Nicely done Sir.
"Highland bag pipes aren't an ideal dorm room instrument" not with that attitude, I would have loved it
Kennard McFord in the summer someone in my neighborhood practices his (or her) pipes, I can’t find the source since I’m hearing the echo off the massive hospital walls.
@@509Gman me imaging some older gentlemen shaking his fist at the hospital and yelling where, where are you
Re: the Webley, Britain was flat broke during and between the wars. Every tonne of steel and coal, every worker and every machine was a precious commodity that was desperately needed for fifteen different things. Tooling up for an automatic pistol would mean *not* tooling up for something else. We would have kept the Webley even if it was lousy because sidearms don't win battles, but it was actually perfectly satisfactory for the intended role.
Sidearms are just really, really low on the list of priorities. If given the choice between a great rifle or SMG paired with a Webley or instead a World War One SMG paired with a Browning Hi-Power take the Webley.
And for WWII ignore the small arms and focus on artillery, planes, ships & tanks.
It is nice to see Ian, and you guys, sharing the shocking-to-some revelation that military pistols are (other than for maybe MP's and certainly highly trained SF troops) an irrelevance in warfare. I love the 1911 (and have 3 of them) but to say it "won 2 world wars"? Get real. As the Boarding party/Landing party Officer on my RAN ship I was issued a Browning Hi Power, because "Officers carry pistols". I said to the young QMG in the Armory... "Great!.. Ive got my pistol. Now..give me that F1" LOL
15:20 if anyone is interested for the best "sword guy" version of Ian, I would suggest checking out Matt Easton on the scholagladitoria channel.
Seconded.
Very different hair.
I cant believe you assumed I had the time in my busy life to discover this guy right now, now I have to watch all his videos.
@@socialex sorry, not sorry.
Unless you're looking for a hair and facial hair match, then its Skallagrim all the way
Thank you, Ian, for putting time stamps on the description. Very usefull for those of us that are interested in some questions but not others.
Pay attention! Non entertaining questions at the holy Forgotten Weapons temple is Heresy!
Weird Italian Machineguns, and no mention of the Perino Model 1908, which used a hopper of 5 twenty-round clips, the idea being that the loader could keep topping up the hopper.
Sort of a combination of the Breda 30, Hotchkiss, and Type 11.
Hopper like the Type 11, Feeds the strip through like a Hotchkiss, and keeps the empty cases in the strip like the Breda 30. Very cool design.
@@Ashfielder the type 11 had the same idea like the perino but in games liek BF5 is really stupid becaus you cant take the hopper off to reload
Toby Wood TOBY
The Austrian Stg-77 A1 backup sights are 3 Dot, if it hasn't been abused to much
@@nirfz The Austrian Army version is the Stg(Sturmgewehr)-77. The International name is Steyr AUG Afaik.
Galil night sights.
@@nirfz What are you talking about? You told me I was talking about the Austrian issued one. I said yes that's why I specifically used the Stg-77 designation. No you go one about how the International version is the same, which I don't know. I served in the Austrian Army and saw a few there, I don't know if the Australian licensed ones have this back up irones.
Me (An Irishman): “Whisky is at the centre of my world”
Ian: **Opens globe to revival whiskey**
Me: *T* *H* *I* *R* *S* *T*
yeah.....sigh
Not Irish, but I love me some Irish Whiskey. Jameson black barrel in the liquor cabinet.
I need a globe liquor cabinet, as is mine is in my work shop ala Leroy Jethro Gibbs
New US site is launching shorty for Teeling
@@bigrebone am man with taste, priceless
Last time i was this early 45 long colt was just called 45 colt
You got in late. It was just _'45'_ when I got in.
@@ivareskesner2019 well, that is quite early
Was there ever a 46 short colt??
@@johnm3907 well yes, but actually no. The name "Long Colt" comes from the military adopting .45 Schofield (same diameter and will fire out of a .45 Colt, but a .45 Colt would not fit in a Schofield revolver) and creating this kind of unofficial nomenclature to make the average man with a revolver be able to know that .45 Colt is the long one, so they don't try to stick it in the shorter Schofield chambers.
@@ivareskesner2019 YOU got in early, back in my day we called it .44/100 and loaded with loose powder and ball!
A Video about the 10-22 and ist History and development would be interesting, esspecialy for non americans
Ian, as read, Gabriel’s question was about the Sten being made in 1920, not 2020. Thus, I found the mention of polymer rather jarring. Regarding oil & cleaning, I heard Ken Hackathorn say that in most of the world guns are cleaned with diesel and lubed with motor oil. Makes our proliferation of magic snake oil seem laughable.😅 Really enjoyed your Q&A, thanks.
Guns i don't shoot regularly i oil with hobbes #9 every couple months. Keep them in a nice cool dark place.
And foreign guns pretty smelly. 😅 But that is American marketing at its best.
“Less I lead people astray “ Spoken like a true gun Messiah😇
*Lest
"Lest"
Indeed very good of him to realise the position he is in and tries his best to ensure the highest possible quality of content and be as Correct as possible, one of the reasons I love watching his content
Bearer, Seek, Seek, Lest.
can we get an F in chat for Twombley's hearing from that M249
RIP BK’s ears
after 12:30...Why oh why do I see "Random Gun Oil" in the Merchandise store coming soon...
It'd be even better if it were just vegetable oil.
Regarding short recoil smgs: the steyer tmp is also short recoil operated with a rotating barrel locking system. They're still sold today by b&t. Also, LWRCI's new smg45 is short recoil as well. They keep calling it delayed blowback, but if you see one taken apart, it's just short recoil w/ a vertically traveling locking block. Similar to the strike 1 pistol and bergmann 1910.
2020 - SMG/sten gun I am thinking of a Full auto Hi-Point with extended mags.
Hi-point does make some pretty good PCC's. its not a stretch by any means.
You mentioned weapons training and weight loads.
Years ago the US Military(and I assume every other military) did a study on how much weight soldiers could effectively carry.
They found the average soldier(NOT Green Beret, Ranger, SEAL) could effectively carry approx 50lbs of gear while maintaining a 4 mile per hour road march pace over long distances.
Increasing the weight load rapidly diminished the speed and range of the soldiers. Also increased number of injuries.
For what is called a FORCE MARCH, typically soldiers drop their extra gear and only keep what was available on the LBE or LCE( whichever way you learned it. I heard both.) The speed of a FORCE march was 6 miles per hour.
Weapons training doctrine in WW2 and for a little while there after was dominated by the longest shot possible training. Most units trained to shoot targets out to 1000 yards.
The reality of combat showed that most engagements were at a much closer range.
Shifting the training doctrine to more shooting at shorter ranges. Hitting a 300 yard target repeatedly is better training than hitting a 1000 yard target once. Breeds confidence in skills.
Those that shot well were given the opportunity to shoot targets at longer range.
Economics being a factor why waste ammo and time on people who may never be able to shoot consistently at longer range targets. Enter the Sniper schools.
Only train those that show an aptitude for it.
Also after Vietnam during training the Drill Sergeants would many times use the term WEAPONS FAMILIARIZATION.
This term is just that.
Training that familiarizes a soldier with a particular piece of equipment but not enough to make them an expert. How to safely load, fire, engage targets, clear malfunctions, unload, and clean.
FORSCOM TRADOC set the parameters.
Soldiers in Combat Arms units in the 1980s qualified twice a year with the M16 platform approx 200 rounds each time Zero through Qualification and with crew served weapons once per year.
Non combat MOS soldiers qualified once per year.
The level of marksmanship and hand to hand combat training had gone down up until the late 1980s.
A period of relative peace for the US Military.
The Urban legend of the reasoning was that if there was a war troops who were FAMILIAR(there is that word again) could be trained up quickly during predeployment cycles.
If there was no war, when soldiers ETS out of the service their skills would degrade rapidly without training and they would not be a menace to society.
I.E. trained killers walking the streets.
@@justforever96 either term is applicable depending on the Drill Sargent you heard it from.
And here, based on the email notification, I was expecting a Kimber Model 1907 .45. Somewhat bummed.
I think Kimber started out making rifles and started making 1911s in the 90s when the AWB made 8rds of 45acp preferable to 10 of 9mm.
I might be wrong but Kimber isn't a century old American gun maker
When we lived in Phoenix '76-'78, we had the "illustrious" swamp cooler change over to A/C.
We still had evaporative cooling in Tucson up until 2012.
When I moved to a/c it was heaven
A/C is probably one of humanities greatest achievements
Colin .K
A huge statue of Mr Carrier should be put up all over Arizona it was his AC that made it occupiable
@@oceanhome2023 I've never lived in AZ but as a Florida man, I definitely must pay my respects to such a man. Kinda sucks being 100 degrees with 95% humidity all summer long without A/C
Okay, after that description of the Fiat-Revelli's bonkers magazine, I *want* a video of Ian tearing that down and explaining it.
Here’s a great graphic on it : th-cam.com/video/LIXUbauy8Hc/w-d-xo.html Also, check out the Lewis MG by the same guy - it’s mesmerising and technically superb.
I did the SBR process on a 9mm Colt "SMG" and it was fairly painless. It's the only PCC I'd want to own.
Here in the deep South we have more humid conditions, so occasional planned maintenance is a good idea. Most of my Enfields are used fairly frequently, but even so a check every few months is a good idea. A little Hoppe's and Breakfree is used. I also occasionally use oil soap on the furniture, or even commercial furniture polish to keep mold off the stocks.
Oh, scuba diving is a lot of fun, and not that far off from guns when it comes to safety and procedures (and risk), even if the context is obviously different.
Hope you like it !
Depends, cave diving is absolutely deadly, but so is using a .50 cal pen gun.
One quirk of long-barreled 9mm carbines that gets overlooked here I think is armor penetration. Yes, you start getting diminishing returns past 10 inches, but you can still gain velocity up to around 13-14 inches, and that extra velocity can aid in more reliable penetration of soft body armor or environmental barriers.
Yes, it's less effective than an actual rifle round, but it's a notable advantage over normal pistols for organizations interested in simplified logistics, and I think it's an overlooked facet of long-barreled 9mm.
I really do enjoy these Q&A videos a lot. A part of me would like to see more of them.
Awesome video as usual. The ruger 10/22 used to come with literal 3 dot sights with white dots lol.
I'm thrilled every time I see the subscription count rise! Great job Ian!
I threatened to leave one of my best friends stranded on the side of the road when he began to practice on his chanter in the back of the van on a long road trip. So it was likely smart to stop piping in college.
US Army recently dropped a required grenade throwing test along with testing land navigation in boot camp. They needed more time for "awareness" classes and the like.
The fail rates at those tasks was pretty staggering when I went through. You just can’t adequately teach land nav in one day (which is the amount of time given to the task when I went through), and most young Americans today play video games instead of throw baseballs.
"If the Sten was designed in 1920?" Did you mean 2020? I was going to say it WAS designed in the 1920's....it was the MP28....
I've posted my disgust with the M3/M3A1 submachine gun a few times here but your comments on the magazines for the M1 Carbine make me wonder if we had considered the mags for the submachine gun to be a "disposable" item to use once or twice and then replace if that might not have helped the reliability issues I had with them as a unit armorer. Interesting to consider at least.
here in alaska, in winter (-50f) we use dry graphite as lubricant
"I'm looking forward to doing some really cool underwater video."
H&K P11 INCOMING
Ideas bounce back and fourth.
Researchers: we have a revolutionary idea.
Boss man: tell me more
Researchers: well, remember what we were doing 10 years back?
I think the 1911 has been so popular for so long is simply that it is a great looking gun
These Q&A's are great thank you!
Wonderfull video.
Just a little clarification, at 36:30 you are describing the Breda 37, the infantry model; the empty cases retention device/mechanism was officially (I'm Italian and have read the original manual and speak to one wartime officer) to recover the brass for economise scarce material and up to a point to recharge them. The tank model, the Breda 38 have a much simpler top feeding box magazine and a canvass bag to retain the spent case.
"We don't usually hear about 9mm rifles."
That's because they're all sneeki breeki Russian guns made with Soviet magic. ;-)
I think he was talking about pistol caliber cartridges, like the 9x19mm, not something like the Soviet 9x39mm. ^^
@@MagicPaw9000 he could have been on about the 9x18mm PP-19 Vityaz
@@TragicTester034 well, the PP-19-01 Vityaz actually is in 9x19mm. If you're talking about 9x18mm Makarov, then you probably mean the PP-19 Bizon, but the 9x18mm Makarov is by all means the opposite of rare in Russian guns.
@@MagicPaw9000 brain must have died when I mentioned caliber as I was talking about the Vityaz and not the Bizon
Woah, last time I was this early the US army was using the Krag-Jørgensen rifle
28:46 One reason the army chose to develop a .30 caliber round for the M1 carbine was so the barrels could be bored using existing .30 caliber boring tools, thus reducing cost and time needed to set up production lines.
perfect video for coming off my half bottle of fernet
@@ivanszablewski7149 not this time cause i was too lazy to get any coke
My great grandfather talked about an incident in the korean theatre where a relatively old, well worn M3 Grease Gun, dumped its mag and scared everyone in the barracks when it was tossed on a bunk.
I love the idea of bar hidden inside of a Globe
Arizona and New Mexico have a near perfect climate for preserving steel. Same reason the USAF has boneyards in the region.
Bought a set of 1940's welders goggles from a lass in NM years ago for less than $10, the leather was dried and almost perished to dust but everything else was intact. Incidentally, the exact same type used in Memoirs of an Invisible Man iirc?
Lenses helped make for some good astrophotography. =]
Ian, thank you for another great and informative video. Your dedication to making sure viewers have proper and correct information is unmatched. Keep up the great work. One day I hope to cross paths with you and shake your hand in person. Forgotten Weapons is undoubtedly my favorite channel on YT.
The image of Ian playing his bagpipes at full tilt in a college dorm room much to the annoyance of his roommate makes me laugh quite a lot for some reason
I noticed some Egyptian 8mm Mauser surplus ammo on classic the other day, any chance of getting a ammo testing video and evaluation? I really liked that series of videos.
Modern MGs are going shorter and shorter, but also are using modern design muzzle devices and often times short cans made more to reduce blast and flash than sound.
I thought it's the momentum that's conserved and applied equally forward and back, while recoil kinetic energy is not? The ones I've seen listed were much lower than the bullet's, at least.
Why Jay yes, which is why free recoil energy is lower on a heavier gun, all things being equal.
You are correct. Momentum is conserved. Energy is computed using Velocity squared so a heavy firearm has less energy than the tiny, fast projectile.
Just to clarify, both momentum and energy are conserved. The division of them between objects of dissimilar masses derives from Newton's Second Law of Motion (Force=Mass*Acceleration) and his Third Law (equal and opposite force and reaction force).
Given equal force and dissimilar masses we can see that the energy is not equally divided. The smaller mass will have more energy after the interaction because its acceleration from the force will be higher and energy increases with the square of the velocity.
diamondflaw Technically, energy is conserved, yes, but not mechanically. As explained, kinetic energy comes from momentum, which is conserved and equal on both « sides of the powder charge ». However total energy of the system mostly comes from the chemical transformation of the powder burning. There is no mechanical energy in a system consisting of just a standing gun. After firing, there is mechanical energy, in the form of at least 2 moving objects, but it’s not like you can sum your energies and get back your zero mechanical energy just because objects fly in opposite directions. Negative kinetic energies do not exist in classical physics.
@@Kar-wm5on Yes, you can add complexity by considering the actual process of conversion of chemical energy into thermal and mechanical energy and the way that the pressures involved result in the forces that I was talking about or by adding in modelling the masses and accelerations of the gasses generated. The energy in a closed system is still conserved.
I Googled that AR10 composite barrel fail, it's frightening.
Eugene Stoner advised against it but was overruled by upper management.
The pic:
www.firearmreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/AR-10-Failed-Testing.jpg
On the subject of sub machine guns firing when dropped the first British soldier to die in Northern Ireland was in an accident involving a dropped Sterling SMG. There were other incidents including at least one to my knowledge of a SMG going off when the cocking handle caught in the webbing when raised to wave to mate on roof OP..
The safety on the SMG only locked the sear so the bolt could travel back far enough to engage a round without reaching the sear.
By the 1980s the SMG was a little long in the tooth and many weapons had worn sears so would double tap from time to time when on single shot.
I can see it now: Underwater 2-gun competition
The Kasarda drill alone would be amusing.
Ian, more often our guys had their families ship them knives.
That's how the Randle Knife Co. Got started was GI's liked his fighting knives and had their families get him to make one and ship it to them.
I'm sure there were others but I heard that's what put Randle on the map.
Ref a weapon loading and firing without having the trigger pulled - I had an incident in the late 80's with my SMG (Stirling).
I was on the range to do my annual weapons test on it, firing a detail which was to be single shots at 25m, pulled the trigger and the weapon had a 'run away' (safety set to R, finger off trigger but still dumped the full mag of 28 rounds).
I was in the kak due to loosing of a mag on auto (negligent discharge) and not carrying out the IA drill (remove mag - I reasoned letting go with one hand to remove the mag would be worse than holding it pointing down the range till all 28 had gone).
All charges were dropped as it had not been a one off incident with the 9mm ammunition at the time, the report that filtered down to us was it was sub-standard (cheap) ammunition which could with some weapons push the bolt back far enough to pick up a round but not enough to engage the sear (the Stirling getting on a bit by then and being replaced).
Looking forward to Ian scuba diving to shipwrecks and voice over discussing the cannons and possibly other arms found.
Also the swedish Ag m/42 B Ljungman had a set of night sight attachment
I believe that I have seen Galil parts kits with night sights.
@@dbmail545 that's because the valmets had it integrated too!
I for one would love to see Ian diving sunken wrecks off the coast of Normandy. Particularly as I understand you can get into supply ships and still see the cargo of weapons and vehicles.
Glad to see the Havana Club Seleccion de Maestros in addition to the Whiskey.
6:01 Now I would really like to see one of those long barreled Kriss Vectors, but it's chambered in 7.62x51 NATO...
You play to much R6S
Lop brua
Hey Ian just on the Carbine question, I found it extremely odd that the Swedish designation for the G3 battle rifle is AK 4, meaning Automatic Carbine 4. Which kinda throws everything on it's head since according to the military it is a 1m long 7.62 firing Carbine. Is it still considered a Carbine in your eyes or is the naming procedures from the military always right?
@@Sableagle In my understanding the M16 is a rifle and the M4 variant is a carbine.
In Greek καραμπίνα (karabina) is the...shotgun, carbine is αραβίδα /aravíδa/ to us, which means "arabian (rifle)" because Arabian horsemen used to carry their rifles (long or short) with the sling draped across the torso, over the left shoulder, which later became the typical carry of the Greek cavalryman. The name is still in usage in the Greek military, e.g. the M4/M4A1 is officially designated as an «αραβίδα»
@@shawnr771 That is a nomenclature problem specific to the AR platform. M16 20" barrel has been considered a carbine since inception. They called shorter versions carbines to make it easy. Often I have seen 24" as the cut off, though there is no rule per se.
@@sanguinemoon9201 Yes.
I believe the definition is all over the place.
More defined by marketers. The waters are muddy.
In the 1960s there was also the CAR 15, a shortened version of the M16. Where the C actually stands for Colt. I believe the prototypes were called XM177s.
On military paperwork M16A1s were written down by nomenclature.
Rifle 5.56mm M16A1
followed by either a National Stock Number or serial number.
I saw a couple of leftover CAR 15s that had not been refitted to M16A1 with full length barrels. Prior to the M4 versions.
They were issued to LTs and Radio Operators if the unit had them at all.
In my mind what defines a rifle and carbine has changed over the years.
Now to me it is simple if it fires a bullet it is a weapon. Does it do what I need it to do. Yes. Can I get ammo for it without selling my kidneys. Yes.
Sounds like a fine weapon let us go to the range and shoot.
Shawn R it’s a case of institutional inertia. The M16 replaced the M14 in numerical sequence (the M15 was the attempt to turn the M14 into a BAR replacement); therefor it is a rifle “because we say it is dammit!”. The M4 is the numerical replacement for the M3 and M2 carbine ( full auto M1 carbine, with and without IR night scope, respectively) (one may also argue the M3 submachine gun, since Delta was using those before MP5s that they bought in-house so they never went through army acquisitions, then they replaced with “proto-M4s” I’ll call em).
So really, in US parlance, it’s whatever the Army tells you it is.
The NFA needs to be repealed...
Ian, your gun oil answer is actually fantastic. "It doesn't matter" is sometimes more important information that "This is the best!" And I'm surprised that someone who looks so much like Robin Hood has never done much archery lol
3-dot setup was quite common on dangerous game and express rifles too. Mostly oversized ivory beads and inserts. Pretty sure radium was used too. Anyone looking to protect firearms which are likely to be stored for a while could do worse than look at some of the aerosol products intended for weld prep . I’ve used Rocol TFP ( thin film protectant ) in a damp climate with great success. Just clean the bore before shooting. Great point regarding reliability in both cars and guns !
You are smokin' the smoking jacket Ian; most refined.
Snubnose barrels on an MG would also not be able to take up as much heat because of their lower mass. So they'd overheat more quickly. Barrel length has also a lot to do with harmonic vibrations. There are a few sweet spots where the muzzle moves the least and shortening the barrel can lead to worse accuracy, especially at long ranges. You also want your muzzle to extend over fortifications like sandbags and thick bunkerwalls.
Regarding the Proofing question, around 24:00 , theoretically this is true. Practially however, there have been guns "in the wild" over here in germany with proofed barrels but without a chamber cut (gunsmith i visited last year had two of those, recent proof from a german proofhouse). A friend of mine encountered a proofed gun and barrel, where the barrel was only loosly screwed to the reciever and was wobbeling about quite a bit. That does make you wonder how these guns get through the overpressure proofing, especially since at least the proofhouses in germany are also supposed to do headspace checks on every gun beforehand...
The 9x19 AUG aka MP88 is also in use with the Austrian Police. (No surprise) BTW the current issue Police AUGs are fitted with a deflector, that allows it to be used by southpaws.Good news for you. Originally the Austrian Army rejected the left hand version on the theory that it would be easier to retrain 10% of the intake.
There is a piece of artillery sitting in my shed, a ww2 anti-tank gun on a three foot mount and some wheels to be pulled by a horse or mule or whatever. Don't have ammo as 60mm shells are illegal in Canada but the cannon has been kicking around the barn since 1953 so they can't say jack about it sitting in the driveway during spring summer and fall
So guess ian is going diving for some French ships of ww1
They are easy to spot, just look for the white flags on top.
Never understood PCCs when submachinegun was already a word
People interested in edged weapons should watch the chanel , scholagladiatora' by Matt Easton. This man has a reputation in edged weapons as Ian in firearms.
Ian doing some scuba diving, near like cool wrecks and stuff would be pretty awesome. Not sure on the practicality of all of that, or his knowledge base as it applies to ships.
Spoiler btw, they eat the gun oil over on InRange. Turns out a lot of that gun oil stuff is vegetable oil and good for cooking eggs with.
As a separate note, Ian you should get a highland officer sword, basket hilted claymore. Goes with the pipes and stuff.
Worth noting that Webley's were being phased at as was reasonable in WW2, that just had a much lower priority than producing useful things. Browning HiPowers made in Canada (who were already making them) replaced them for a lot of front line soldiers, for people that needed actually needed to use pistols they went with a few different semi-autos that they got where they could, like the HiPower, the Ballester-Molina, etc. Webley's saw a lot of use with the Home Guard, ie Dad's Army, because it really really didn't matter what guns they had, if they were using their service pistols it was because Nazis were on British soil everything was FUBAR.
Bolotin should sound more like Ball-a-tin. The dominant Russian accent (Moscuvite) tends to say o like an a, probably just to fuck with people (other Russians as much as foreigners).
There is something cool about toggle-locks.
@ForgottenWeapons The Finnish RK62 has flipover night sights with white painted dots. I'm surprised you didn't mention those. :)
Makes sense that he would've missed that, since in the Rk62 video he said the rear sight is an add-on even though he had almost flipped it all the way over in the video when he was showing the sight adjustment things
@@coolsenjoyer Yeah, I commented on the rear sight back then as well. I was thinking he might have lookd it up since then. :P
One note on the whole IAR thing - I don't see the USMC going back on the decision. They still will be using the M240 and possibly even the M249 in some situations, but the IAR fits one of those wierd Marine-only use cases and is why the procurement was started. The USMC by its design will always have equipment that doesn't make sense to anyone except to the USMC.
Motor oil is a very common lubricant we use in our M240s
Ian Mcolumn I stress the use of the foreward forarm lock adds more balance in inrecoil control keeping level platform.
To Erics question. The red dot sight has reduced the time it takes to make a recruit a decent marksman compared to iron sights which in turn leaves more time to train with fancy widgets as Ian mentions.
I’d love to know how that g11 LMG/SAW things magazine worked because based on the one picture I’ve seen it looks like you are braking the back half of the gun open and shoving a small shoebox sized brick of ammo in and that’s about as fascinating as it gets for a loading mechanism on an lmg thing
Been running ar/ak hybrid gun on 5W-30 for about 500 rounds. So far so good.
During the Korean war, at the Chosen Reservoir, Garands froze up, but carbines still functioned, however, the Chinese infantry wore heavy quilted clothing which could stop .30 carbine ammo in sub zero weather.
i have heard and read in the legion magazine that many stens were dropped and hit rocks or concrete would sometimes would empty the whole mag
Nelson Rumley sells magazines dunnit (the print ones)
7:00 if you take a look at sig's patents, they were trying to use a system where the entire inner frame of the gun slides back under recoil to smooth out the gun. iirc eventually only their machine gun used that.
The thing about soldiers not wearing hearing protection reminded me of that bit in _Black Hawk Down_ where the SAW gunner keeps deafening his buddy, who is really not happy with him. _Black Hawk Down_ is not a funny movie, obviously, but that scene is gold.
Scuba diving in the desert?
ZGryphon and true to life. I got some choice words aimed at me when I was firing at taliban with my muzzle still inside the firing point.
On the subject of using captured enemy weapons, iirc Ian British and US paratroops and glider units would sometimes be issued MP40s because they were easier to carry with parachutes but also because they were deployed behind enemies lines so it was better logistically to just salvage ammo and gun parts from the enemy than issue military ones.
Also while I don't know if it was one hundred percent true, I saw a video from History channel where I believe it was your father, who said in some instances US Marines during the Battle of Guadalcanal would capture and use Type 96 machine guns because they didn't have proper light machine guns themselves (they had the BAR but it was scarce and didn't work well in the jungles of the Solomon Islands). Also they had captured so many 6.5 Arisaka ammo that it wasn't impractical under some circumstances to use captured Japanese machine guns. Also the Type 89 grenade discharger was also reportedly a popular weapon among Allied troops if they could capture one and enough ammo for it.
On 3-dot rifle sights, I think a brief mention of Tiger Sights as used on double rifles might have been appropriate.
I would love to see Forgotten Weapons underwater. I love spearfishing and diving videos!