MT-10 vs. Monster 1200 vs. S1000R
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- It's the battle of the naked bikes; Yamaha's MT-10 up against the old school charm of the Ducati Monster 1200R and the new thinking of BMW's S1000R. Is any one really better than the others or is it simply a case of horses for courses?
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I have fallen in love with the MT 10 since riding it :D
I own the FZ-10 (aka MT-10, I'm in the US so its the FZ), and I love it. Great bike.
I find it interesting in these comparisons that no one ever mentions reliability ratings since to me that is extremely a big part of my purchase decision. I've owned everything pretty much out there at one time or another and just recently purchased a 2017 FZ-10.
Would never buy a BMW or a Ducati having owned one and I am very familiar with the service departments because of it. Yamaha is rated number one above any other in the world for reliability. That is a huge factor to me.
Yeah but everybody else has a freaking japanese bike
Just look at consumer reports
My 2018 cbr1000rr is amazing honda really outdid themselves for me the decision came down to a cbr or a fz10 I went with the Honda
They're just plain and simply ugly mothers though.
Agreed, this needs to be a major part of the shootout. I would choose Yamaha in the end based on cost of ownership, ease of service, reliability, etc.
Great review, Life too short not to have fun !
thank you these are the 3 bikes that are on my mind... I got to ride the s1000r and loved it.
Guys I had a 2010 S1000RR. I traded it 3 years later on the S1000R. For me at least it’s a far better handling bike on the track. Having ridden Phillip Island in Oz, the only time the RR got me was on the straight! So I agree & am blood6 happy with the R👍🏼😎
Best review I've seen by far👏 I know nothing was mentioned about the MT-10 poor fuel capacity but who cares not me personally as its going to be my new toy well the SP version. The guy that rode th MT looks like my old geography teacher but man he can ride a bike, that's exactly what I will be doing on mine.Ive got a gen one FZR1000 fazer had it for many years to think in the UKwhen new it would have been nearly the same price as the MT-10😬 it's a great bike still going strong I just wonder if the MT-10 will have the same longevity? GREAT VIDEO LOVED IT cheers guys regards Pete.🏴🇬🇧🤙
In the US, the MT-10 is the least expensive to buy and maintain by a longshot. I found a 17 FZ10 with 41 miles on it with the Akrapovic titanium midpipe, tune, TRex FZ-10 sliders, axle sliders, 1" lowering link, license plate tail tidy, AIS blocked off, K&N filter, and OEM comfort seat. It was thousands less than a new one in March. I almost bought a 2015 S1000R in red with low miles, but it sold they day I called. I have about 1500 miles on it now and added an Amazon rear tail bag, Puig touring shield, and Chris Moore tune. This thing is a blast on the NC curvy back roads. Looking forward to a mountain ride soon. The sound blows everything but the Tuono's V4 away.
Matt, your body double pulls great wheelies. 🤪
Monster Character
S1kR Precision
Fz10 Hooligan
The Ducati monster did not start the naked bike craze, we as builders 30 years ago were building streetfighters and the companys took this onboard and followed suit
great vid!
So how many miles between valve adjustment on the Ducati? Vs the BMW, & Yamaha?😁👍
Just went to a Yamaha dealership here in Texas and the guy wanted $10,900 US dollars for MT-10. Might have to get one if I can get it in black, it looks great in person!
So did you get it?
The guy who designed that race track should get an award! It's naked bike heaven.
Great stuff. Would have loved to see your comments on the GSXS
Ari what were you using for on-helmet camera in this video?
The walk-around bits in the beginning where all jelly-fished, like if you used a really bad implementation of digital stabilization combined with horrid rolling shutter, or the floating element of the camera's optical stabilization (if it has one) has gone out of whack.
yamaha have killed it with the 10.
YOUR a pile of shit. I own an FZ10 and it's one of the best all-around sport naked bikes out there. Go fuck your self
No.
There's no absolute bike because a bike is in essence a matter of compromise.
But indeed, YOU can personnally find your absolute best compromise, aka your dream bike.
Waaah big cry baby.
He never said the absolute best bike, he said "it's one of the best all-around sport naked bikes".
Ahh fan boys have deleted my original reply..
Just got a new MT-10 left over 2018 for $10,799... I'm good with that! This thing is brilliant!
Brand-X
What state? I’m shopping AZ
@@1Oldgreenbus I'm in Texas... but if the right deal is out there, grab a cheap flight... FLY AND RIDE HOME. It's worth it!
Brand-X awesome! I got my 2017 just after launch in the US for $9,200 out the door! No dealer fees and full warranty, new. MSRP in US was $12,999, but a California dealer ordered 12 and after a week hadn't sold 1, 9 of them were this color so they put 2 on cycletrader at their cost jsut to move them and keep dealer allotment. I got mine out of state from there $9,200, insane! Kept 2 years and LOVED every minute buying another. Will look for another out of state deal. 👍👍
John Baldwin I got mine for $9,200 out the door. I live in utah, dual residency in Arizona. I found mine on cycle trader new in California from andealer that ordered too many in grey and dumped 2 at cost, no dealer fees. I got out the door at $9,200 new , full warranty, cost me $175 to ship to utah , registers in Arizona so no taxes so it cost me $9,375! Insane deal. Shop on cycletrader.com search with no distance parameter, sort by low to high. You'll have to ship it but it's cheap and they're so reliable no issues buying sight unseen IF a reputable dealer.
Brand-X agreed or ship it, cost me $175 to ship enclosed from Cali to utah
Why are street bike reviews based on track bike tests?
Why are the riders climbing all over when they ride, these are not full on track bikes, I never see them ridden like this, so why review them like they are track bikes?
We have no, none, absolutely zero corners on our mile-high plateau, unless we travel a minimum of 350km in any direction. Sometimes we just don't have time for a 700km round-trip just for some corners.
The track we use is tight and twisty, like a mountain pass without the elevation changes. A track is also much safer for us when we push the handling envelope just a bit. We do make mistakes, and a mistake on a track you tend to talk away from. The last innocuous accident I had on the road put me in hospital for a week, broke three bones and gifted me some new metal work. It's that coming to a sudden stop scenario.
I have broken 19 bones, I'd rather avoid any more if that's possible. As for riding style, I'm afraid I'm stupid enough to ride like that on the road, too. Even when I don't put my knee on the deck I need to move around the bike to feel comfortable. Years of riding like this mean I just can't do the 'Hailwood' style without feeling like I'm about to crash.
Sounds fair enough, but a little more simulated slow riding with comments/focus on how user friendly bikes are to ride at city/suburb speeds, clutch control etc would be nice , smoothness when on off throttle in traffic, the sort of stuff that would grate on you if you actually owned one and used it, how far you'd get on a tank (could you actually make it to some fun roads without planning in fuel stops), cost of ownership. how comfortable are they to ride without a 100 mph wind holding your body up. We can pretend we buy a bike just for flat out riding, and pub talk stats on power to weight etc. but unless you enjoy the feel of the bike in actual use, using it will be a pain in the arse, and you'll soon grow tired of it.
Maybe being from the UK I look for different things in a review.
Cameron Masson Oh thanks
The truth is, they won't tell you much about the bad points on these main channels. Yamaha, ducati, and BMW wouldn't loan out the bikes very willingly if it cost them sales.
Watch shadetree surgeon's video on this topic.
I do agree completely with you.
My old s1000r used to flop about over 120 rabbits, what are the other nakeds like?
The answer to both these bikes? Aprilia Tuono 1100. If you're cheap like me, GSX-S1000.
Bro, Aprilia = zero reliability,
GSX crazy good BUT what about comfort?
I own the 2016 r1 and the Mt10 ! MT10 everytime 🤷♂️👍👍🏍
nice show,
Mat, I'm surprised you didn't consider the new Aprilia Tuono. You certainly seemed to enjoy it when you reviewed it a while back and it's a beast. Maybe as formidable as the KTM??
The MT10 is a great bike ... absolutely bonkers but I couldn’t live with that suspension. It’s as hard a brick. In the real world BMW for me, ta.
Where’s the Tuono ? ?? Would out class all of them
Well a good comparison but with the whole naked sport bike thing busting wide open the past few years there are a lot missing from this. Z1000, gsx-1000, tuono v4, Speed Triple R, Superduke 1200 R, a lot of bikes in the area. I guess you can't have everything though, nice video anyway.
The headlights of the Yam really don't work for me. Great though the Beemer is, I'd go for the Ducati (UK prices!).
I'm still in love with my ZRX. It's the best looking UJM out there. Why doesn't Kawasaki come out with another hyper naked version? Maybe add 200cc to the Z1000?
Enjoyable video but lacking one vital component- aprilia tuono.
Perhaps they wanted to limit it to reliable bikes with a good dealer support network and parts availability. (I kid, I kid)
Didn't make the cut.
Super Duke R
@tinwoods not there because it's the winner.
Apparently the Brake reservoir on the BMW is that way to shake out air bubbles
What is the curency "R"???
I own a Yamaha a 2019 xsr900 and waiting for the 2021 mt10 to arive so I can ungrade.....great video ty
Yamaha All Day !!!
I Love The BMW SR1000 Motorbike!
what country is this?
can't believe the yamaha is more expensive in SA, in the uk it's £2k cheaper than the BMW and £5k less than the ducati, not sure what the exchange rate is.
Yamaha is cheaper than Ducati and BMW here in Singapore because there is a Yamaha manufacturer in India. thats where we get it cheap. hehe.
were is the tuono
Correct. Tuono destroys all three of these bikes.
In past articles Aprilia has been unwilling to provide Tuono's for comparison. Probably the case here.
Yes that is true. Crazy Italians. They don't do critique well. ;)
Eh ... Ducati are Italian !
Aprilia Tuono is not made by Ducati.
On the dyno , the Mt-10 is lacking +- 20 bhp , I wonder if u feel it on the road ? I have a 2017 s1000r atm want to change to Mt-10 but afraid I will miss those 20 extra bhp
Just out of curiosity, may I ask why do you want to change?
@@Stananalol I love the crossplane engine sound/experience , rode a R1 and loved it :)
A friend of mine used to own a brand new BM, he is a garage mechanic, his gripe was starting the bike from cold, so much so that he returned the bike to BMW complaining there was a fault, basically when starting the bike from cold he said it sounded like a bag of nails, and being a mechanic felt this was not right, BMWs response was that this was normal? Suffice to say he sold the bike shortly after that!!
where is tuono????
Old video but still worth a comment, the points raised about the BMW being great round a track.... me personally want a bike for fast A and B roads so a compliant suspension is high on my list before out right performance. So its the MT10 for me as a clear winner.
Low maintenance cost on the MT is the biggest reason for me. @ 1000.00 for a valve adjustment the Ducati is just too much and reliability on the Monster is third place here too.
Zuma can't pronounce that number, Brilliant !!!
That SA price on the Yamaha is lunacy. That bike is about 150,000 rand in usd equivalent, and one of its most competitive features.
Then you start up an Aprilia V4 and everything just melts away 🤤
Not to mention the looks of the S1000R beautiful
Ducati is pretty sexy too. ;
they compared these two modern machines to a monster instead of something like the tuono?
Where's the Tuono???
That pricing is really odd, here too the MT-10 is the least expensive.
NZsarge1 Yammy MT09 costs as much as the Daytona675R in my country.... wierd it is.
KTM are dirt cheap compared to Europe, here in 🇨🇦
The Aprilla Tuono Factory is the best supernaked by far !
Its faster, but i dont think you can beat an r1 engine and frame as far as feel, and confidence inspiring.
in vitro youtube baby agreed and twice the cost for Tuono Factory! I paid $9,200 for my FZ10 out the door new (got a steal) Tuono Factory out the door with dealer fees and taxes is over $20,000. Yikes
I need to make a correction for you guys. the m
Monster is not the original naked sports bike. Anyone remember the Honda Nighhaws from the 80s
I think on an actual road, Ducati would be the fun bike, considering all the torque, sound and looks.
still best bike show on youtube
Best show on the net
How come the other chuckle brother couldn't make it ?
The MT 10 SP or a Ducati Hyper motard 950 SP!! is what I might get?......
tuono 1100 factory.
Ever checked the cost and service intervals for Ducati’s? 😂
Goratch the mule the intervals for “desmo-service” is 24000 km which can cost you up to 2500 euro depending on type and year of build
@@YZFMANIAC08 I know, mine would have cost aprox 1200 euro but I didn't have it that long
Goratch the mule same as 99% of Ducati owners haha 😂
where's the beast?
In the UK its £9999 for the MT-10, £10,350 for the S1000R or £11,875 S1000r (sport) which includes cruise control, Dynamic damping control, heated grips, and a lot of other extras like LED indicators, engine cowl or a whopping £15,250 for the Monster 1200r.
I've ridden all 3 and personally the S1000r wins, with the Monster 2nd and the Yamaha 3rd. The BMW is the best all rounder, offering an insanely fast bike, incredibly comfortable and silky smooth. The Ducati is heaps of fun, and is good choice for the twistys, the fancy LCD clocks are a bit rubbish, tough to see in direct sunlight. The Yamaha While incredible value for money felt 'cheap' and not as exciting to ride as the other two. The looks are much like the BMW you'll either love or hate it.
I had a ducati s2r 1000 and covered over 50k on it. Genuinely not one problem so I'd have a 1200 in a heartbeat. Smashes the others all over the place for torque. I do like Yamaha tho but given the position of the bars I think you could ride the ducati quicker
Do a road test of this...
Monster 1200s sin duda
I always wait after the break. And nothing
Why isn't the Tuono in here!!!
Ouch the MT is an 11 grand bike in the UK. Shes a big bump in price for you guys.
faster than the super duke
That's a bold statement
drag race or 1/4 mile please
How come home made vlogs have a better sound while riding than you guys?
WHY DO I HAVE TO WATCH THE ADVERT AND CAN NOT SKIP IT.
Where is the msx1000?
BMW is the love child of Megatron and the T800
You can't have a naked bike shootout without the tuono.
I love mt10!!! It looks like transformer!
MT10 of curse!!
OK I subscribed
How has 3 year's made better much refined these street fighters the 2020 KTM 1290 Super Duke R is got be best street going.
If i have a lot of money i will buy s1000rr for race track and aggressive riding and mt-10 for relax and comfort ride.
Why isnt the Speed Tripple here?
Not a 1000 class bike. A fine bike to be sure, but not the same class.
rs232killer the speed triple is a 1065cc
My bad. I must have thought Street in my head when I read it.
Tuono?!
i still love my gsxs1000
So... tell us about how they did on the streets. They’re street bikes, around town, country lanes, freeway/motorway. What’s the point in this review at all?
I never knew James Corden was a biker.
Nah, Corden is a total bellend.
MT10 without any doubt
and now we know where they got the idea for how the new Sonic the Hedgehog looks
my dream
Donovan, you say even without the super duke you'd still choose better bikes than these. I've got to know what you mean by that! Tell us which super nakeds you'd choose
At 1:58 ... " i suspect the engineers let a non german intern pull that" hard to write this while rolling on the floor laughing...
MT 10 any day
Yamaha !
I've had all 3. S1k is the quickest and best handling, MT-10 is the most fun. Monster felt dull and drank oil.
There I said it.
😅
In what crazy world is the BMW option EVER the cheapest?? Lol, not even in Germany is that true. MT-10/FZ-10is the cheapest virtually everywhere else in the world and I'd say that huge savings makes it the most viable option for the most people. Even MCN agrees with numerous cross-Europe tests comparisons and think the Ducati isn't even in the running for the top 4. It IS striking, however.
In America the mt10 is super cheap and comes with a great after market capabilities. Mt10 is a win in my book.
Why was there no tuono v4 1100 factory here? Seems like most agree that's the greatest Supernaked track weapon? Was shocked in a European show to not see it?
Also, I was gonna say an MT10 is cheaper than a Monster R????? I bought mine new in the US at the launch over the tuono v4 1100 factory and superduke R becaue those two , while epic supernakeds are $18,000 here and you can't find a monster R to even debate that one. The FZ10 (MT10 ) has a suggested US retail of $13,000 US ,.. $5,000 LESS than the other two , here's the thing, the Supernaked market is growing here and the fastest growing sales class (nakeds in general) at that BUT becaue it was a first year and some dealers bought so many a few dumped them to keep their allotment high from Yamaha . I got mine new 0 miles , full warranty, NO DEALER fees of ANY kind! Saving about $900 alone but the best part, the dealer ordered 3 black MT10s and NINE grey and yellow thinking they'd sell fast. For some reason I was one of the few here that understood what a naked R1 would be comming from a 2015 R1 prior, how could it go wrong, the ONLY Japanese Supernaked , crossplane 4 front he R1 and all the electronics and parts of the R1 , somehow most MY countrymen missed the memo , this dealer In California had 2 of the 9 listed for $9,200 OT THE DOOR!! No fees, $3,800 LESS THAN MSRP!!! That's MT10 pricing there!!! So technically , I got my new 0 mile MT10 for $8,800 LESS THAN THE OTHER TEO SUPERNAKEDS!! Literally half price ! Deal of my life for sure! That alone made it worth it! While I LOVE THE SDR and the tuono, I could not justify paying double when the MT10 has the R1 crossplane 4 , which when decatted sounds very close to the aprilia v4 (greatest sound on Earth) it's performance specs are nearly identicle to the double priced other two, even better in some tests; like 0-60 mph which for a naked is it's purpose lol the MT10 has THE FASTEST 0-60mph of ANY production motorcycle on earth, ever! 2.4 seconds! Exotic hypercar time! All of this and all the bells and whistles for half the price along with Yamaha reliability, cheapest brand to maintain , service and availability of parts is amamzing not to mention. Dealer on every corner here. Where as aprilia doesn't have a dealer within 1,200 miles of me and obviously aren't known for reliability or cheap repairs and service so while it was up here as a favorite, didn't make sense. Oh and I don't like the tail at all on the base tuono, the rsv tail on the factory his the only way to go, wish the MT10 would have done the R1 tail likewise, the factory also has the best components on earth as well . For me and my poor mans wallet , my skill level couldn't get any more out of the SDR or tuono at a track to make it worth twice the price. And if you're worried about the 15 less hp, (even tho the MT10 is the quickest on earth) reflash the ecu and decat it totaling $400 and your over those hp numbers. Had it 2 years and of the 13 bikes I've owned , all supersports , my first supernaked was by far my favorite and I'm quicker around the track on it than my R1, a personal problem I'm sure. But wheelies for days! Powerup in 1-5th! Yeah! Must say I'm so jealous of the rest of the world getting the SP! The tuono Factory version of the MT10, I'd die for one!
The fact that the BMW is cheaper then MT is just crazy to me. Here in Middle East, the MT is about 40%- 50% cheaper then the BMW. If it was the other way around, nobody would even look at this Yamaha. Both are great but BMW is just a higher level bike.
Ducati. Style
I’m looking for a bike I can share beers with.
the mt 10 of the Japanese bikes is awesome, but the Suzuki gsx-s 1000 is best bang for the buck, and I just love the bmw
i should say that I live in the US, and the Suzuki is just sooo much less than the rest, I wish the BMW was more affordable where I am cuz it is so awesome though
Yeah I agree, the Suzuki really doesn't seem the far off in quality for how much cheaper it is. The GSXS1000 is towards the end of my list, but it's probably the one I would buy.
The original was the Suzuki BKing .
bmw's brake reservoir is wiggling maybe because of the nut was out 2.00
The S1000R is the best of the 3. But here's there issue: $$$. They are insanely expensive in the States. Worth it, but expensive.
Tyler Rue Harleys cn get way more expensive than bmw and have half of the electronics
tom martin I'm pretty anti-Harley anyway. They're not good bikes, they're loud and obnoxious, and they cost way to damn much.