Kudos to Swapan da for hitting the nail right in the head. No conversation could have been complete on conservatism of both Anglosphere and India without mentioning of how evangelicals funded by the USA are subverting social dynamic of India
@@songaesthetics8543US based evangelical churches are a pan asia pacific problem. South Korea is a late stage evangelical society and see how their society is heavily US influenced and trying to implement everything western into it whilst being a completely diffrent society.
Good to see swapandas sir speaking in various platforms, BJP should promote more people like Swapandas, Sundanshu Trivedi , Alok Sharma , Shehzad poonawala, Jaswinder Singh and get rid of crap like Sanju Verma, RK Sinha.
They won't. We had Jaitley,Sushmaji, Rajeev pratap Rudy, chandan Roy, Ravishankar Prasad as spokesperson for BJP. Sadly, few of them left to heavenly abodeand few aren't on the scene ad they are sidelined.
@@ayushmankar4100 these gatherings will never allow Indian nationalists like J Sai amd Ranganathan to even come close. 😂 They want docile pets from India like Ram Madhav etc. This is a good cop bad cop routine to fool gullible Indians.
Tolerance has a limit thereafter intolerance becomes a duty - Lord Krishna. Dont push hindus you have no clue what they are capable of and America cant afford to have India as an enemy @@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc
Woah, NatCon is bringing some of the big guns in Conservative thinking from India. I am glad to see some recognition of free thinkers from India that is not cut from the same cloth as OxBridge Lutyen elites (aka India's liberal elite).
@@AKumar-co7oeI don't think they are a good fit for a conference like this. Neither of them are party members - Swapan and Ram Madhav are both card carrying Sangh members.
Glad to have listened to Swapandas. He gave very good education about India to the US and West. He nailed head on the evangelism of West and it honestly need to be addressed. He also too head on about citizenship amendment for non-muslims in India. Thank you for posting this.
Every converting evangelist doesn't've total faith/surrender to either Christ or Christianity. Their motives are ulterior. Ultimately in course of time, Sanatan Dharma will win over them all
Islam & Christianity survive in West; once Nature withdraws fossil fuel, Islam will vanish; without violent Islam, Christianity will fade out. Both don't've key to rebirth/Karma/Atmic Vichar. Eastern regions will survive on Sanatan Dharm/Rebirth/Karma..
Conservatives around the world could never be united under one banner unlike liberals who have a common global agenda, conservatives prioritise their respective national interests. Each nation has it's own national interest and at times it may clash with the interest of other nations. Another point is, it's a futile exercise trying to get validation to earn a place among the Anglo-Saxon world. India may be an English speaking nation but it never was and would never be accepted as a part of the Anglo-Saxon world. Instead of that India should work to form a union with its neighbouring countries of the Indian subcontinent, most of them unfortunately are hostile to eachother. India is closer to its neighbouring countries culturally, ethnically, linguistically and historically, it shares nothing in common with Anglo-Saxon countries. India's neighbours unfortunately are unable to realise that and they keep letting themselves be used as a pawn to the big powers like United States and China. This never ending hostility between the Subcontinent countries is diminishing the potential of all the nations in the region and keeping them poor, backward and belligerent.
An excellent talk by #SwapanDasgupta. One aspect that he touched on towards the end needs further attention, reflection, and better understanding - that conservatives all over the world basically describe a wide swath of people. It starts with nationalism (as he described), but essentially draws on the wellsprings of civilization, culture, religion, and identity. To that extent, conservatism anywhere would have a religious segment tightly embraced and this segment itself is not likely to be uniform, but exist on a continuum - from extreme religious affirmation (and its supposedly ordained practices) to the "liberal" religious affirmation. This is worthy of note as the extreme religious segment in the Christian belief system - present in the American movement and hugely identified with it because of its omnipresence - such as with abortion has no equivalent counterpart among Hindus. So there is the evangelical element that Swapan pointed out that does not exist in the Hindu tradition, but also the sociocultural beliefs that basically characterizes fundamentalist Christian beliefs that do not exist in the Hindu tradition. The last point is important because a lot of facile conversations about conservatism do not distinguish between the Indian expression of it (based on its essentially Hindu construct) and the Western expression of it. Being a conservative in India is certainly not equivalent to the American conservatism as epitomized by fundamentalist beliefs that are often front and center in contemporary American debates and the cause of much acrimony resulting from courtroom battles and Supreme Court pronunciations.
The tldr of it is that conservatives from different countries/cultures are natural enemies not natural allies. No matter how hard both sides pretend to play along, ultimately the Sangh/BJP are on a collision course with the CPAC/RNC crowd.
More importantly the anglosphere relies only on the comentry in English which again is a grave injustice to the comprehension of Bharat and her civilization. Truth be told, its extremely complex.
Great speech and it is a long time coming. As we all know the American founders thought ahead of our time so much so that they defined the nation and lived by it in their times .that's how important they viewed the coming age where material sciences & technology blurred fact from fiction that we may need 3 lines of measure to find our way home. The shining capital on the hill wasn't just a metaphor or a white house. ❤❤🎉
Good that in India today the ither side that is right is also getting intellectuals. It still in very initial stages BTW. It needs to expand and evolve fast in days of internet
Right side always had intellectuals . But the problem is our Indian deep state and left-islamist-missonary lobby which follows Gandhi-Neheruvian ideology rejected them , boycotted them and done witch hunting against them from last 75 years
Swapn, you know why Jewish population in the US has a different influence on the US politics than Indian-Americans. One can write an essay on this subject.
The Jewish people in the USA have excelled due to their perseverance, sagacity, and in-bred or innate desire to prove themselves and their existence. They were treated abominably; their very existence was questioned! Naturally, they fought to survive, and despite their stellar accomplishments, they are still being “targeted” ! Our India was the only nation that welcomed them, and treated them with warmth and open arms ! Indians, now face similar disconcerting treatment in many parts of the world, simply because they work harder, live with an open mind, and excel!
That’s correct. My comment wasn’t meant to mean otherwise. I’m an admirer of the Jewish community. We Indians have to work our way to achieve similar success. I think we have an uphill task though, because economically successful segment of the Indian immigrants has a different ideological inclination. Their upbringing didn’t educate them about India’s civilization contribution to the world.
Kudos Swapanda for highlighting and mentioning and raising this issue in sn American setting and an American audience vThis is indeed one of the issues of friction and in exactly thevsame manner that you highlighted. We are Hindus. We don't go around preaching (or even believing) that our God is true and others are false. I wouldn't have thiught a people like that would be accused of religious inltolerance because we don't like being told either thay we are wirshipping false Gods either.
Just wanted to add this !😊 Today even if you look at the social media , far away friends are much dearer to you sometimes better than your family members! One of my social media Guru just advised , " You have to look inside or introspect, why your family members are preferring outside company? You have do something better or more interesting for them , so that they remain attached with you ! " This is a natural human tendency! Very few people can make a compromise in this basic expectation and in today's context of patriotism or nationalism! So everybody is just making a choice, whether to work overseas or serve our country irrespective of its present status or you can say changing their religion, based on the available opportunities or options presented before them! Hope we can get above our sentiments & provide the real conditions , so that our people accept the right alternative which is available with them , if we want to maintain our cultural heritage! Hope, i am not getting misunderstood here!🙏🙏🙏
Swap Das Gupta is well known fr his thread bare analysis of any subject. To-days talk on conservatism he has driven in the salient points for the west to ruminate.
listening to Swapan Da is always knowledgable. such a import figure among us, we need more like Swapan Da to churn out of message of Indian core value and cultural value. Its a civilisation not a nation state.
The bottom line is quite plain and simple and that is The West does not want India to develop and progress. India needs to wake up and understand the behaviors of these Countries. India needs to become Industrialized and Military strong and in so doing making its own equipments especially Military equipments. India needs to become better in diplomacy and to play the same game as those that do not wish it well.
I m sure the Indian govt gets it. The worst part of the situation isn’t the Anglo sphere /America but the traitors within and the people who vote for them and support them .
@@wonderworld7721 When you play the great game, you become what is necessary to continue playing it and you pray to continue standing with Dharma, righteousness, when it really counts.
The Indian diaspora especially the folks who are waiting in the Greencard pipeline for years, if converted and given a chance to assimilate into the American society will absolutely support the conservative movement here in the US. These are law abidding, tax paying people whose values align greatly with the conservative values of USA. It is frustrating to see that American conservative politicians are not able to take advantage of this opportunity.
American conservatives should not be welcoming immigrants. They need to conserve the demographics of their own nation which is majority white and Christian. Indian conservatives would do better ti stay in India and improve it. And the same goes for American conservatives
Trusting US is as much unique theory that Rama trust Ravana that he will not did those things again. It's his nature to betrayed pull down make bad narratives with whomever with him and trying to be independent. 🙏
Well done Swapan! I feel exactly the same coming from elite Indian schools and Ivy Leagues, my WhatsApp chatter is full of shock and heart attacks at what’s happening in USA, Gaza, and India. But I find myself aligned with Western conservatism.
Very well done Mr. Dasgupta. You can talk this type of highly intellectual International subject when your Bengal is burning. You may say that it is Bengals problem Bengalies voted for TMC but the question is - are they?
The Brits understood india way better than their American counterparts . The Britishers however , had a vested interest to know this continent , i,e looting it's civilizational wealth . And themselves getting richer and powerful on their world dominance .
I like independent lines in the foreign policy of the Modi government, but at times, it seems arrogant and on the face. Maybe the current government is playing its hand too hard. We need to grow economically more before comparing what China can afford to do now. It is better to build the strength a bit quietly for a few decades before trying to play over smart. America has a lot of flaws, but it can be beneficial to us. Wait to play the spoiler.
Realpolitic is a hardball game played on the ground. It is like the jungle law. We are now clear about playing the game as it should be played. There is no need for defensiveness or tentativeness in our approach. They jolly well understand our positions and will do business with us as long as it suits them. They know we are doing nothing to hurt their interests.
So Bharat should just roll over and accept American demands (not requests but demands) visa vis Russia? Making your own choice as a country instead of being a puppet is never going to be liked by America…and being independent will only come across as arrogance to people or entities who think it’s their birth right to rule the world ( directly and indirectly)
Americans like 2 kinds of people/nations 1. Those who spit on their face - you'll be surpised but yeah its true. 2. Those who can look into their eyes and do what is right for their country Being pliable doesn't help. I fully understand what strategy you're proposing, but it won't work - it would make us hopelessly dependent on USA without any "real" benefits. e.g India was a huge importer of Iranian oil which we stopped(playing by the strategy you're proposing) because USA wanted us to stop. What did we get in return? Indian airline companies have ordered billions of $ order worth for Boeing and AirBus(Europe) - that hasn't changed USA supporting Pakistan. I can quote 10 more, but you got the point.
Nehru Gandhi family tree for 70+ years on was put on India by British. So the divide between India and America is essentially British 'divide and rule' policy. Any president normalizing relationship with Asia has met consequences because European and loyalists always wanted to use America on demand
Why India Suspects American Intentions? Well it is only LEGITIMATE and VALID to be so. Should it's intensions based on historical acts of U. S. ever since to India and the word, not be questioned. It is highly disturbing for Indians to see the current admin in India is not only pooh poohing U. S. but taking all the dictated about all policies from U. S. No nation in the word, how small, poor or weak takes such orders and dictates be it bankrupt state like Zimbabwe or tiny nation like Singapore.
The best way Christian conversion desire ends is when the dollar ends as the reserve currency and they can stop printing money out of thin air. And it cannot come fast enough.
He is jumping from point to point... You are talking to Western audience, pls be concise and to the point. Western audience don't know about CAA You are blabbering incoherent sentences to audience who don't know basics of Indian politics.... Last 4/5 minutes were very very good though. This should be our message, US UK.. Are J Christian civilisation India js Hindu civilisation. Simple.
Not just don’t know, they genuinely have hatred that was built over centuries towards d pagans/natives. It’ll take decades to fix it if they started today.
In my mind this recent rise of the classical right position is akin to a final death gasp, I envisage the birth of a new progressive right stance on the horizon. A new right would synchronise the conservative position with academic revelations rather than tradition.
you're right....Geert Wilders, Meloni, and Vivek Ramaswamy and perhaps Nigel Farage (I'd trust Tommy Robinson more than Farage) are the new right with common sense.
Agree, even though the Christians have cleansed more humanity from the earth (who did not accept their political superiority), currently the lzlamic radicals due to their intolerant teaching through their Skybook) are a bigger threat to humanity.
Soft critisism of evangelicals will not make the cut. We cannot work with religious conservatives of the Anglo saxon world. We have lot in common with economic conservatives and capitalists and even some aspects of libertarianism. It is enough for us to work/collaborate with these groups and small portion of "true" liberals . Then Indians can be the king makers. 🧐🤔
Dasgupta Sir has hit the nail, the liberalist America does promote missionaries for conversion, firce African countries to accept Lgbtq which is a societal taboo there. The Ameeicans have got their maths wrong for a long time.
Conservative positioning from philosophical identity is a major basis of Indian identity, that is a dominant aspect of the Indian/Bharatiya psyche ... in fact it is more than identity it is the entity, this the West still don't grasp... but the behavioral or utility aspect of of Indian Hindu psyche (eg political & social) can learn a lot still from the West. Though it is because of the West (to a very large extent) that we developed these handicaps.Yes, Mr. Dasgupta generally echoes a pan Indian perception that West has very little idea of real Indian root ethos. But the political fallout of Conservative politics of India lately demands a more close analysis & scrutiny. I leave it at that. Since this talk is more addressed to a US audience. But we can always have developed some acharyas/professors who are conversant enough, say in French/spanish/German along with english, to open branches on Indian studies attached to consulates or reputed organisations Like RKMission ect. or may have funded even a few seats in Ivy League collages or university. Now, that funds are available Bharat can afford to turn into a patron State, I guess 🙏
People who does not have practical exposure to that particular field should stop giving intellectual lectures. India has two many people who talk too much but none who can act in senseful manner.
Every knows english language in india jobs are all from american and western nations but not Chinese and Russia so hence along with western countries and US must getbalong with them.
Pandering to a fringe element. Mr Dasgupta, you are better than this. A good formulation of his position and his ideas, but he is addressing the wrong crowd. Why is he sharing platform with the likes of Suella Braverman and Jack Posobiec? Why? But then again Mr Dasgupta is the right person in the wrong party. I would have understood if this was just a Heritage foundation event but it not is it? More than half of this crowd are quite open about their Christian nationalist views. Even for all the grifting BJP does, why is it trying to emulate these grifters is beyond me. Mr Dasgupta, you are better than this sir. Your conservatism is nothing like the populist reactionary movements that your party or even the other speakers are associated with.
@@AmitSharma-sc9gg The prime minister's dog whistling in the election is a very good example that showcases the populist reactionary politics that is now associated with BJP. Swapan Dasgupta is a conservative. He came from the legendary time when RW people were the ones who asked the questions and talked about accountability. Whether it is Ramnath Goenka, Arun Shourie or Swapan babu or Chandan Mitra. Went head to head with Dhirubhai Ambani when he was at his peak. Unfortunately, Mr Modi took that legacy and threw it into a dustbin. Most people left or are dead except Swapan babu.
@sena3941 Well, i didn't seem to dispute what u said on stand alone basis, but ur narrative is totally one sided. Conservatives in india are a misnomer, they were defiled and their existence was derided by so called leftists and liberals who always turned a blind eye to the islamic violence and missionaries fraudulent conversions. If a mere look at gyanwapi mosque is not sufficient to know it's origin and a technical review is required then i would say we hide from truths.
No longer a fringe movement in such a gathered enter the radar slightly wary in adjustment a positive one why india get America relationship between two occasion as profound tendency view through white house understood debatable across the Atlantic it was believed determine by upper class it was unusual at that time there is vibrant and interference new community heavily concentrate towards profession whos nationalism is better main preoccupation in a state of political subordination
Sapanda yea kya hey. Deska izzat ka faluda karrahey ho. Why should anyone try to find the difference between friends. You should rather focus on more common ground. Why are you talking about Hindu religion.
India must not suspect America and its intentions however none prevent India to be independent, cautious and take none for granted as Democracies have election periodicallly and every next Govt. could change its vision, expectation and hopes of next Govt. Change is a key of future.
American history has proven from the last 100 years to be treacherous bedfellows. You seem unaware of American history or what mischief American foreign policy is still causing.
Sir it's not abt suspecting US. The govt and foreign ministry work and take decision based on data and institutional memory. Afterall india has all the right to secure its Interests too.
I disagree that Hindu religion don't convert. Hindu monks used to go door to door to bring people into their religious fold by making them their disciple and given guru mantra and guidance about how to live family life. These monks would also encourage them to build a temple or donate to help build temple. These monks encouraged their disciple to do Gita, Ramayan path and various types of hawan Puja through which they would introduce hindu ethos and culture. My request to Hindus is stop lying that Hindu religions don't have concept of conversion.
Nonsense. Dharma is a way of life. Values based on dharma are universal so if Brahmans and their Brahmacharis went from door to door asking for alms and preaching it was part of that value based way of life that all would adhere to and in fact all Indians regardless of religion adhere to culturally evem today.
O, no sir. Brahmins and their Brahmacharis, Sanyasis that went and go door to door asking for alms and who preach in return are not doing this to convert. Who gave you that idea? Dharma is not religion it is about universal values. When Brahmins, Brahmacharis, Sanyasis are teaching society's children and advising people generally to uplift them in order to help society function optimally - it becomes the duty of householders to give these noble people alms. Many people of different religions do this who are culturally Indian as they have grown up in a dharmic eco system that is based on universal values. It is understood that the advice you would get from such teachers would make you a better human regardless of which cultural background you come from. Cultural Indians of all affiliations do understand this, which unfortunately judging by your comment you don't. Dharma is not religion but is instead a value based universal way of life.
Okkk... What should a person do to get converted to hinduism? For conversion, people pledge their allegiance to some holy book and an exclusive god. What is that for hinduism ?
Kudos to Swapan da for hitting the nail right in the head. No conversation could have been complete on conservatism of both Anglosphere and India without mentioning of how evangelicals funded by the USA are subverting social dynamic of India
same can be said for nepal
@@songaesthetics8543US based evangelical churches are a pan asia pacific problem. South Korea is a late stage evangelical society and see how their society is heavily US influenced and trying to implement everything western into it whilst being a completely diffrent society.
@@an1ketsharma I see. What can South Asians do as a solution?
evangelicals need to be conquered by catholics
Good to see swapandas sir speaking in various platforms, BJP should promote more people like Swapandas, Sundanshu Trivedi , Alok Sharma , Shehzad poonawala, Jaswinder Singh and get rid of crap like Sanju Verma, RK Sinha.
DASGUPTA******** We have Das as well as Dasgupta/Sengupta differently.
They won't. We had Jaitley,Sushmaji, Rajeev pratap Rudy, chandan Roy, Ravishankar Prasad as spokesperson for BJP. Sadly, few of them left to heavenly abodeand few aren't on the scene ad they are sidelined.
Dr. Anand Ranganathan , Major Gaurav Arya and J Sai Deepak too
@@ayushmankar4100 these gatherings will never allow Indian nationalists like J Sai amd Ranganathan to even come close. 😂
They want docile pets from India like Ram Madhav etc.
This is a good cop bad cop routine to fool gullible Indians.
@@rhutwijtulankar1326 bhains ke aage been bajana. 😂😂
Nicely delivered the message. Good to bring up the contentious point of evangelization. It may be new knowledge for many and take sometime to accept.
It won’t b accepted. It’ll b combated.
But the Message has been delivered. What the recipients do with it, is on them. Hallelujah!
Tolerance has a limit thereafter intolerance becomes a duty - Lord Krishna. Dont push hindus you have no clue what they are capable of and America cant afford to have India as an enemy @@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc
Woah, NatCon is bringing some of the big guns in Conservative thinking from India. I am glad to see some recognition of free thinkers from India that is not cut from the same cloth as OxBridge Lutyen elites (aka India's liberal elite).
would be nice to get a rajiv malhotra or R. Jagannathan
@@AKumar-co7oeI don't think they are a good fit for a conference like this. Neither of them are party members - Swapan and Ram Madhav are both card carrying Sangh members.
clowns like you always begging for scraps from goras
South Delhi White liberals
Swapan Dasgupta is eloquent in debate as always.
Very rightly put! Swapan da is an intellectual I have respected for decades now. This speech is a sample of why.
He should have been invited to the Oxford University debate on India with Palki Sharma, but they didn't for obvious reasons.
The global left can't handle the truth.
Glad to have listened to Swapandas. He gave very good education about India to the US and West. He nailed head on the evangelism of West and it honestly need to be addressed. He also too head on about citizenship amendment for non-muslims in India. Thank you for posting this.
Every converting evangelist doesn't've total faith/surrender to either Christ or Christianity. Their motives are ulterior. Ultimately in course of time, Sanatan Dharma will win over them all
Bro how old Christianity and Islam they are monotheistic religion destroyed ancient religions of Egypt Greeks western world 😊
Islam & Christianity survive in West; once Nature withdraws fossil fuel, Islam will vanish; without violent Islam, Christianity will fade out. Both don't've key to rebirth/Karma/Atmic Vichar. Eastern regions will survive on Sanatan Dharm/Rebirth/Karma..
@@user-yf5qc1mw4ySays the one who doesn't even know rta
Huge respect for Swapan Da for clearly calling out evangelical bs
What a fine thinker and a speaker! His articles, columns in newspapers, etc are of course excellent, but speaking this way is another skill
Y'all bringing the big names from India is a great sight to see.
Swapan is my hero, he is a gem the earth has lots of blessings , Great son of Mother India❤🇮🇳🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️💕💕🤙💕❤️🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Conservatives around the world could never be united under one banner unlike liberals who have a common global agenda, conservatives prioritise their respective national interests. Each nation has it's own national interest and at times it may clash with the interest of other nations.
Another point is, it's a futile exercise trying to get validation to earn a place among the Anglo-Saxon world. India may be an English speaking nation but it never was and would never be accepted as a part of the Anglo-Saxon world. Instead of that India should work to form a union with its neighbouring countries of the Indian subcontinent, most of them unfortunately are hostile to eachother. India is closer to its neighbouring countries culturally, ethnically, linguistically and historically, it shares nothing in common with Anglo-Saxon countries.
India's neighbours unfortunately are unable to realise that and they keep letting themselves be used as a pawn to the big powers like United States and China. This never ending hostility between the Subcontinent countries is diminishing the potential of all the nations in the region and keeping them poor, backward and belligerent.
Underrated comment though!!
An excellent talk by #SwapanDasgupta. One aspect that he touched on towards the end needs further attention, reflection, and better understanding - that conservatives all over the world basically describe a wide swath of people. It starts with nationalism (as he described), but essentially draws on the wellsprings of civilization, culture, religion, and identity.
To that extent, conservatism anywhere would have a religious segment tightly embraced and this segment itself is not likely to be uniform, but exist on a continuum - from extreme religious affirmation (and its supposedly ordained practices) to the "liberal" religious affirmation. This is worthy of note as the extreme religious segment in the Christian belief system - present in the American movement and hugely identified with it because of its omnipresence - such as with abortion has no equivalent counterpart among Hindus. So there is the evangelical element that Swapan pointed out that does not exist in the Hindu tradition, but also the sociocultural beliefs that basically characterizes fundamentalist Christian beliefs that do not exist in the Hindu tradition.
The last point is important because a lot of facile conversations about conservatism do not distinguish between the Indian expression of it (based on its essentially Hindu construct) and the Western expression of it. Being a conservative in India is certainly not equivalent to the American conservatism as epitomized by fundamentalist beliefs that are often front and center in contemporary American debates and the cause of much acrimony resulting from courtroom battles and Supreme Court pronunciations.
The tldr of it is that conservatives from different countries/cultures are natural enemies not natural allies.
No matter how hard both sides pretend to play along, ultimately the Sangh/BJP are on a collision course with the CPAC/RNC crowd.
More importantly the anglosphere relies only on the comentry in English which again is a grave injustice to the comprehension of Bharat and her civilization. Truth be told, its extremely complex.
Excellent Illustration by 🙏 Swapan Sir 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳.
Swaponda that was just awesome!! You are less heard of these days. Please speak up more….the world is waiting to hear.
Excellent to speak out loud and clear fearlessly . Thank you Swapan Dasgupta🇮🇳🕉️🙏🏼
Great speech and it is a long time coming. As we all know the American founders thought ahead of our time so much so that they defined the nation and lived by it in their times .that's how important they viewed the coming
age where material sciences & technology blurred fact from fiction that we may need 3 lines of measure to find our way home. The shining capital on the hill wasn't just a metaphor or a white house. ❤❤🎉
Dasgupta giving his Swapan best as always!
Because their intentions are never honest!!
Excellent talk. Extremely relevant points
Good that in India today the ither side that is right is also getting intellectuals. It still in very initial stages BTW. It needs to expand and evolve fast in days of internet
Right side always had intellectuals . But the problem is our Indian deep state and left-islamist-missonary lobby which follows Gandhi-Neheruvian ideology rejected them , boycotted them and done witch hunting against them from last 75 years
Swapn, you know why Jewish population in the US has a different influence on the US politics than Indian-Americans. One can write an essay on this subject.
The Jewish people in the USA have excelled due to their perseverance, sagacity, and in-bred or innate desire to prove themselves and their existence. They were treated abominably; their very existence was questioned! Naturally, they fought to survive, and despite their stellar accomplishments, they are still being “targeted” ! Our India was the only nation that welcomed them, and treated them with warmth and open arms ! Indians, now face similar disconcerting treatment in many parts of the world, simply because they work harder, live with an open mind, and excel!
That’s correct. My comment wasn’t meant to mean otherwise. I’m an admirer of the Jewish community. We Indians have to work our way to achieve similar success.
I think we have an uphill task though, because economically successful segment of the Indian immigrants has a different ideological inclination. Their upbringing didn’t educate them about India’s civilization contribution to the world.
Because they can kind of control it ? 😅 because they stand at crossroads of actual US long term policy for Middle East and its resources .
Very well said. Kudos to Mr. Swapan Dasgupta. Every American needs to hear it.
Swapan da is so eloquent and to the point always
Fantastic analysis
Thank you
Kudos Swapanda for highlighting and mentioning and raising this issue in sn American setting and an American audience vThis is indeed one of the issues of friction and in exactly thevsame manner that you highlighted.
We are Hindus. We don't go around preaching (or even believing) that our God is true and others are false. I wouldn't have thiught a people like that would be accused of religious inltolerance because we don't like being told either thay we are wirshipping false Gods either.
Hope this conversation continues. Excellent start Swapan Da.
Swapan does does excellent job of making eloquently putting his viewpoints. Have been a swapan watcher for last 3 decades.
Just wanted to add this !😊
Today even if you look at the social media , far away friends are much dearer to you sometimes better than your family members!
One of my social media Guru just advised ,
" You have to look inside or introspect, why your family members are preferring outside company?
You have do something better or more interesting for them , so that they remain attached with you ! "
This is a natural human tendency!
Very few people can make a compromise in this basic expectation and in today's context of patriotism or nationalism!
So everybody is just making a choice, whether to work overseas or serve our country irrespective of its present status or you can say changing their religion, based on the available opportunities or options presented before them!
Hope we can get above our sentiments & provide the real conditions , so that our people accept the right alternative which is available with them , if we want to maintain our cultural heritage!
Hope, i am not getting misunderstood here!🙏🙏🙏
Delightful lecture
Sanghi now in comment 😂😂😂... khakhi chaddi do something for hindus other than fooling..we will teach you lesson in comming days
Excellent, lucid and critical exposition of the real issues at stake in our relations. Kudos to Dr. Dasgupta.
Wow - his language and that speech exude class 🇮🇳 🇺🇸
Swap Das Gupta is well known fr his thread bare analysis of any subject. To-days talk on conservatism he has driven in the salient points for the west to ruminate.
listening to Swapan Da is always knowledgable. such a import figure among us, we need more like Swapan Da to churn out of message of Indian core value and cultural value. Its a civilisation not a nation state.
The bottom line is quite plain and simple and that is The West does not want India to develop and progress. India needs to wake up and understand the behaviors of these Countries. India needs to become Industrialized and Military strong and in so doing making its own equipments especially Military equipments. India needs to become better in diplomacy and to play the same game as those that do not wish it well.
We aren't naive. We know that they don't care and want to use us. But it is us playing the same game
I m sure the Indian govt gets it. The worst part of the situation isn’t the Anglo sphere /America but the traitors within and the people who vote for them and support them .
@@krishnaats7141 : true, we r shameless, greedy !!
@@wonderworld7721 When you play the great game, you become what is necessary to continue playing it and you pray to continue standing with Dharma, righteousness, when it really counts.
In the words of the great Deng Xiaoping - hide your strengths and bide your time.
Make sure the west stays busy with Russia, China and Iran.
Totally agree with Swapan Das Gupta... We need more of him to present the right perspective of Bharat to the world...
Yes Sir, you told the truth, nothing but the truth which existed all times in the past.
please upload the speech from our Polish Prof. Ryszard Legutko
Thanks for telling the point 😊
इन सब चर्चाओं का मक़सद क्या है जब अमेरिका भरोसेमंद है ही नहीं!
for America rights two things are very important, one is white skin other one is Christianity
The Indian diaspora especially the folks who are waiting in the Greencard pipeline for years, if converted and given a chance to assimilate into the American society will absolutely support the conservative movement here in the US. These are law abidding, tax paying people whose values align greatly with the conservative values of USA.
It is frustrating to see that American conservative politicians are not able to take advantage of this opportunity.
American conservatives should not be welcoming immigrants. They need to conserve the demographics of their own nation which is majority white and Christian.
Indian conservatives would do better ti stay in India and improve it. And the same goes for American conservatives
@@globalnationalismyoutubeAmericans need to stop sending their missionaries and interfering in indian politics
Great.simply great.
Swapan Da wonderful..msg.clear and vocal for the Western world..they should stop lecturing us about secularism and culture..
Trusting US is as much unique theory that Rama trust Ravana that he will not did those things again. It's his nature to betrayed pull down make bad narratives with whomever with him and trying to be independent. 🙏
Excellent 👌👌👌
Brilliant Sir.❤❤❤❤
Well done Swapan! I feel exactly the same coming from elite Indian schools and Ivy Leagues, my WhatsApp chatter is full of shock and heart attacks at what’s happening in USA, Gaza, and India. But I find myself aligned with Western conservatism.
Lovely, It opened another thinking window in the mind.
Some great politicians said uf America is enemy then you should be afraid. But if America says friend then you should be really afraid.
Very well done Mr. Dasgupta. You can talk this type of highly intellectual International subject when your Bengal is burning.
You may say that it is Bengals problem Bengalies voted for TMC but the question is - are they?
The Brits understood india way better than their American counterparts . The Britishers however , had a vested interest to know this continent , i,e looting it's civilizational wealth . And themselves getting richer and powerful on their world dominance .
I like independent lines in the foreign policy of the Modi government, but at times, it seems arrogant and on the face. Maybe the current government is playing its hand too hard. We need to grow economically more before comparing what China can afford to do now. It is better to build the strength a bit quietly for a few decades before trying to play over smart. America has a lot of flaws, but it can be beneficial to us. Wait to play the spoiler.
Realpolitic is a hardball game played on the ground. It is like the jungle law. We are now clear about playing the game as it should be played. There is no need for defensiveness or tentativeness in our approach. They jolly well understand our positions and will do business with us as long as it suits them. They know we are doing nothing to hurt their interests.
So Bharat should just roll over and accept American demands (not requests but demands) visa vis Russia?
Making your own choice as a country instead of being a puppet is never going to be liked by America…and being independent will only come across as arrogance to people or entities who think it’s their birth right to rule the world ( directly and indirectly)
Shameless cheap labor mentality always love to exploit even human resources !
Americans like 2 kinds of people/nations
1. Those who spit on their face - you'll be surpised but yeah its true.
2. Those who can look into their eyes and do what is right for their country
Being pliable doesn't help. I fully understand what strategy you're proposing, but it won't work - it would make us hopelessly dependent on USA without any "real" benefits.
e.g India was a huge importer of Iranian oil which we stopped(playing by the strategy you're proposing) because USA wanted us to stop. What did we get in return?
Indian airline companies have ordered billions of $ order worth for Boeing and AirBus(Europe) - that hasn't changed USA supporting Pakistan.
I can quote 10 more, but you got the point.
Nehru Gandhi family tree for 70+ years on was put on India by British. So the divide between India and America is essentially British 'divide and rule' policy. Any president normalizing relationship with Asia has met consequences because European and loyalists always wanted to use America on demand
Why India Suspects American Intentions? Well it is only LEGITIMATE and VALID to be so. Should it's intensions based on historical acts of U. S. ever since to India and the word, not be questioned. It is highly disturbing for Indians to see the current admin in India is not only pooh poohing U. S. but taking all the dictated about all policies from U. S. No nation in the word, how small, poor or weak takes such orders and dictates be it bankrupt state like Zimbabwe or tiny nation like Singapore.
Beautiful analysis ♥️♥️
All Indian comments. How much acceptance are we really getting?
Zero. 😂
Well explained!!!
Well said!!
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I honestly cannot blame the India nation. They must have read Kissinger’s warning!
They have.
Who is not a pain the arse in a good way it's only normal and sometimes good for thinking❤❤🎉🎉
The problem is Christianity and Islam it is not just religion it’s there in everything economy which is monopolistic , destroying nature , greed etc
India's bad bet on USA,
great talk
The best way Christian conversion desire ends is when the dollar ends as the reserve currency and they can stop printing money out of thin air. And it cannot come fast enough.
Excellent
Great speaker
He is jumping from point to point...
You are talking to Western audience, pls be concise and to the point.
Western audience don't know about CAA
You are blabbering incoherent sentences to audience who don't know basics of Indian politics....
Last 4/5 minutes were very very good though.
This should be our message,
US UK.. Are J Christian civilisation
India js Hindu civilisation.
Simple.
Not just don’t know, they genuinely have hatred that was built over centuries towards d pagans/natives. It’ll take decades to fix it if they started today.
Us uk are barely christian civs. They are greeco roman. The christians just bandwagoned on those pagan traditions structures
@@Sticklemako no
@@Sticklemako yep pagan civilization and India is ancient sanatani dharm civilization 😊❤🥰❤️🙏🤔🕉️💪🇮🇳☺️
Great one
In my mind this recent rise of the classical right position is akin to a final death gasp, I envisage the birth of a new progressive right stance on the horizon.
A new right would synchronise the conservative position with academic revelations rather than tradition.
Check your mind
Always, do you have a substantive query?
@@i.m.gurney check it with your academic revelations
you're right....Geert Wilders, Meloni, and Vivek Ramaswamy and perhaps Nigel Farage (I'd trust Tommy Robinson more than Farage) are the new right with common sense.
@@madhukarmurthi9064 Meloni is a sell out
Run of the mill rught wing
Ditched all her talking points
Why india not include srilankan hindus in the list of caa act
When you want clarity when you are confused, listen to dada
He should be less worried about Christians and more concerned with the tiny hats.
Agree, even though the Christians have cleansed more humanity from the earth (who did not accept their political superiority), currently the lzlamic radicals due to their intolerant teaching through their Skybook) are a bigger threat to humanity.
Tiny hats are a clear and obvious problem while the crosses are a silent disease. Both major problems but the later one far more insidious.
Some time I wonder whether BJP deserves this intellect
Soft critisism of evangelicals will not make the cut. We cannot work with religious conservatives of the Anglo saxon world.
We have lot in common with economic conservatives and capitalists and even some aspects of libertarianism.
It is enough for us to work/collaborate with these groups and small portion of "true" liberals . Then Indians can be the king makers. 🧐🤔
Because of "doubting" Thomas like this journalist and few "leaders" whose background including "educational" are by now well known !
Nothing to suspect ..... when everyone knows it 😂
Dasgupta Sir has hit the nail, the liberalist America does promote missionaries for conversion, firce African countries to accept Lgbtq which is a societal taboo there. The Ameeicans have got their maths wrong for a long time.
Very good, Swapan. But you sound underprepared a bit.
What about same thing during Mrs Gandhi's regime?
Conservative positioning from philosophical identity is a major basis of Indian identity, that is a dominant aspect of the Indian/Bharatiya psyche ... in fact it is more than identity it is the entity, this the West still don't grasp... but the behavioral or utility aspect of of Indian Hindu psyche (eg political & social) can learn a lot still from the West. Though it is because of the West (to a very large extent) that we developed these handicaps.Yes, Mr. Dasgupta generally echoes a pan Indian perception that West has very little idea of real Indian root ethos. But the political fallout of Conservative politics of India lately demands a more close analysis & scrutiny. I leave it at that. Since this talk is more addressed to a US audience. But we can always have developed some acharyas/professors who are conversant enough, say in French/spanish/German along with english, to open branches on Indian studies attached to consulates or reputed organisations Like RKMission ect. or may have funded even a few seats in Ivy League collages or university. Now, that funds are available Bharat can afford to turn into a patron State, I guess 🙏
People who does not have practical exposure to that particular field should stop giving intellectual lectures. India has two many people who talk too much but none who can act in senseful manner.
Tremendous speech 🎉 Thank you Swapandas Guptaji 💐
Swapan da
Mumble rap king
Every knows english language in india jobs are all from american and western nations but not Chinese and Russia so hence along with western countries and US must getbalong with them.
Bjp has to work on the ground without too many Ad.
Simple Bharat consist of Sanatanis who follows the Dharma the Americans who don’t know what Dharma is om tat sat
Hm true brother 😅
As you should..
Pandering to a fringe element. Mr Dasgupta, you are better than this. A good formulation of his position and his ideas, but he is addressing the wrong crowd. Why is he sharing platform with the likes of Suella Braverman and Jack Posobiec? Why? But then again Mr Dasgupta is the right person in the wrong party. I would have understood if this was just a Heritage foundation event but it not is it?
More than half of this crowd are quite open about their Christian nationalist views. Even for all the grifting BJP does, why is it trying to emulate these grifters is beyond me.
Mr Dasgupta, you are better than this sir. Your conservatism is nothing like the populist reactionary movements that your party or even the other speakers are associated with.
Bhai sasta nasha band kar de.😂😂
@@user-xw3vi4nk2y It cannot be cheaper than whatever you are on.
@@sena3941
Populist reactionary movement of your party ??
Care to provide any attribution, example ?
@@AmitSharma-sc9gg The prime minister's dog whistling in the election is a very good example that showcases the populist reactionary politics that is now associated with BJP.
Swapan Dasgupta is a conservative. He came from the legendary time when RW people were the ones who asked the questions and talked about accountability. Whether it is Ramnath Goenka, Arun Shourie or Swapan babu or Chandan Mitra. Went head to head with Dhirubhai Ambani when he was at his peak.
Unfortunately, Mr Modi took that legacy and threw it into a dustbin. Most people left or are dead except Swapan babu.
@sena3941
Well, i didn't seem to dispute what u said on stand alone basis, but ur narrative is totally one sided.
Conservatives in india are a misnomer, they were defiled and their existence was derided by so called leftists and liberals who always turned a blind eye to the islamic violence and missionaries fraudulent conversions.
If a mere look at gyanwapi mosque is not sufficient to know it's origin and a technical review is required then i would say we hide from truths.
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Useless talk
Like tmc ?
Sapanda yea kya hey. Deska izzat ka faluda karrahey ho. Why should anyone try to find the difference between friends. You should rather focus on more common ground. Why are you talking about Hindu religion.
Finding differences in friends? Ye kya hai ?
India must not suspect America and its intentions however none prevent India to be independent, cautious and take none for granted as Democracies have election periodicallly and every next Govt. could change its vision, expectation and hopes of next Govt. Change is a key of future.
American history has proven from the last 100 years to be treacherous bedfellows. You seem unaware of American history or what mischief American foreign policy is still causing.
Sir it's not abt suspecting US. The govt and foreign ministry work and take decision based on data and institutional memory.
Afterall india has all the right to secure its Interests too.
Not suspect amrica???😂
I disagree that Hindu religion don't convert. Hindu monks used to go door to door to bring people into their religious fold by making them their disciple and given guru mantra and guidance about how to live family life. These monks would also encourage them to build a temple or donate to help build temple. These monks encouraged their disciple to do Gita, Ramayan path and various types of hawan Puja through which they would introduce hindu ethos and culture.
My request to Hindus is stop lying that Hindu religions don't have concept of conversion.
Nonsense. Dharma is a way of life. Values based on dharma are universal so if Brahmans and their Brahmacharis went from door to door asking for alms and preaching it was part of that value based way of life that all would adhere to and in fact all Indians regardless of religion adhere to culturally evem today.
O, no sir. Brahmins and their Brahmacharis, Sanyasis that went and go door to door asking for alms and who preach in return are not doing this to convert. Who gave you that idea? Dharma is not religion it is about universal values. When Brahmins, Brahmacharis, Sanyasis are teaching society's children and advising people generally to uplift them in order to help society function optimally - it becomes the duty of householders to give these noble people alms. Many people of different religions do this who are culturally Indian as they have grown up in a dharmic eco system that is based on universal values. It is understood that the advice you would get from such teachers would make you a better human regardless of which cultural background you come from. Cultural Indians of all affiliations do understand this, which unfortunately judging by your comment you don't. Dharma is not religion but is instead a value based universal way of life.
Okkk...
What should a person do to get converted to hinduism?
For conversion, people pledge their allegiance to some holy book and an exclusive god. What is that for hinduism ?