What Sephiroth Really Meant by 7 Seconds Til The End | Final Fantasy 7 Remake Road To Rebirth Part 5
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Welcome to the finale of Final Fantasy 7 Remake. in this video I wrap up the recap of the events of the game and conclude all my theories. Here I cover the events of the game starting with the end portion of Shinra Tower all the way to the end of the game. Sit back, enjoy, relax, we got some things to talk about! #finalfantasy7remake #finalfantasyviiremake #finalfantasy
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Nanaki casting heal on the highway chase was a nice surprise
1:00 Jenova flying away with Jenova's body... Sephiroth needs a wing to fly.
2:50 Cloud uses Roche's motorcycle move that Cloud just stole from earlier in the game.
3:38 aside from the peculiar nature of dates, OG starting December 9th for every timeline spreadsheet ever officially released and Remake per world preview starting December 12th.
4:00 Dirge gives us an exact count its over a thousand. Reeve also describes this ending in Dirge... as Vincent witnesses the past getting altered but never call it out...
4:23 the Whisper mission is to keep things from entering (material ultimania)
9:51 The actual Sephiroth.
10:50 Its December 15+ for Cloud, its September 17th for Zack. Not really different universes. Whispers exist in all points of time at once. If its here, its here throughout all time. As mentioned, Reeve describes it as a thousand screams that surrounds the Shinra building every single night ever since the day Jenova escaped.
The post whisper defeat particle fall is seen in BC, after its singularity is dealt with, in DC, after Omega is defeated..
11:40 Whisper saves Zack in the state of play trailer, shown in the live performance only, hidden in other versions of the trailer. There are always 4 whidpers shown in sephiroth's key art. Sephiroth is the voice for the whisoer keeping Cloud sleeping...
17:54 Destiny Crossroads, most likely in some sort of lifestream or lifestream memory, ultimania poonts out that it is created by sucking in memories of materials or some nonsense; the tornados suck in parts of sector 5 and those are duplicated with fluttering lifestream energy.
The space we find Sephiroth in, however, is quite blatantly Midgar's plate from advent children. The lifted Shinra building is in the exact state it was in when Sephiroth sliced it down in advent children, down even to the angle its on. I dont think he actually took us to the future, but to his memory of it.
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Many events last to 7 seconds. Ultimania says that edge of creation is held with stop magic seven seconds before the planet dies and nothing else can be done.
You have more insight than the video narrator, did the research to backup your opinions, and grats.😊
@@DonaldRoy-nr9xe Thank you but the narrator has an awesome voice. I've just been living it much longer, bossman's crafting a theory and isn't far off. Just, I got the books and all the games, BC included.
Rufus can see the whispers because he touched Cloud. Ability to see them is transferred by touching someone who already can.
Cloud couldn’t see them until Aerith touched him. Then whoever touched him from that point on also gained the ability to see them.
Good call!
@@PlayerVersusGameI find it dumb that Tseng cannot see the whispers when we know he's the one who's been in contact with aerith longest from Shinra. Then you know about him being you know who in rebirth, "spoiler" I won't spoil but ahhh w.e man.
Tseng rude Reno and Elena have definitely touched her tho. Mayb she has to agree to it or something
Does Barret ever touch Aerith? I don't remember him touching her but he sees them too.
He touches cloud multiple times@@r3gret2079
Seven seconds to the end: Aeriths death is instrumental in defeating Sephiroth, i believe that the Sephiroth of the future, sees this as his greatest mistake, If Aerith lives, then she cant be around to guide Holy and ultimately defeat Sephiroth at the end of FF7og, so Sephiroth wins.
He is trying to manipulate Cloud into saving Aerith, so he can win.
Cloud will need to choose between saving Aerith and letting Sephiroth win, Or letting her die, but being able to help save the planet.
this will be the dichotomy at the heart of rebirth.
I also thought about another angle. What if he kills Tifa? Tifa is the reason Cloud finds himself and is able to break free of the control Sephiroth has. If he kills tifa and lets Aerith live it becomes near impossible to stop him
She doesn’t. But she also sorta does.
Feels like Matrix Reloaded, when Neo has to choose between Zion, the last bastion of humanity, and Trinity, his love interest. Despite going for Trinity, he is eventually able to achieve both objectives, so I predict something similar here. If Cloud does have his memories of Aerith's fate projected to him from the other timeline, he will feel compelled to save her, things will go much worse for the world than in the original in the final game, but eventually Cloud and team will be able to save the planet.
1, holy doesn't require it's user to guide it from the grave.
2. Sephiroth has not been defeated. He persists. Aerith's death has done nothing to deal with him. Not this time, and not then. I mean, *points at OWA absorbing whispers* does he look defeated? And you could say cloud will be there to stop him whenever he pops up, but not forever. All sephiroth has to do is wait a few decades, then he is free to act with impunity.
The only thing killing her again is going to do is to alienate a sizable portion of the fan base who have been looking for a path to her salvation since she popped up in the church after her death.
@@kingloucifur8086I would have seen it as the way to go that cloud saves her, but that's what sephiroth wanted, her out of the lifestream. So then in reunion she had to learn how to more effectively speak with the planet as her ancestors did. That way when the time comes, she can do what she did before without being inside. But more importantly, her knowledge as og aerith can be used to erase sephiroth completely, stop him from continuing to be a threat.
Do the writers at Square Enix, like to write while under the heavy influence of chemicals? Asking for a friend. He's thinking about applying for a job there.
Creative leads at Square Enix became enamored with super convoluted time travel and alternate reality plotlines around the time of Kingdom Hearts. And since then they've been inserting their personal preferences into every game they touch, even when it's a major detriment and people are fed up with it.
You’d think so but it’s like a Japanese thing to have overly complicated conspiracies and massive emotional/identity issues in their media. They seem to have disdain for simple, straightforward plots. Maybe bc they work on the games for so many years that they keep tweaking the script until it only makes sense to them.
So the second part of the description for chapter 18, Destiny's Crossroads is as follows:
"In the world beyond, Sephiroth shows Cloud a vision of the planet seven seconds before its demise. Having strayed from the course destiny set for them, they strike out on a path toward an unknown future."
So there it is. 7 seconds before the world ends.
I think you are on to something. Just before they enter the portal, they get a glimpse of what will change (Zach) and right after they enter Barret says he does not see a difference which clearly means they are in a different timeline and do not actual return to theirs after the battle with Sephiroth. Also, while fignting the whispers, they get glimpse of events I think will chanege in thsi new timeline. In one of the previews for rebirth, they (original team of the new timeline) all die in what I suppose is the new timeline which they are now in. So maybe, we have a choice (7 seconds) to save Aerith or not and the game will take a separate path depending on your decision.
I think Sephiroth and Aerith both travel back in time from the original game timeline to the Remake timeline and they are working against each other throughout the game
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The line that intrigued me the most apart from the seven second one. Is when he also told Cloud that he will not end, and he will not allow cloud to end.
Indeed,keep his words in mind....probably,they are the clue fir the whole direction and meaning of the trilogy
Cloud is the only other one with Jenova cells in his body. If Cloud dies and Sephiroth is killed I don't think he can come back. I remember something along those lines.
Obviously that's bad news for Cloud.
@@DarthPingu07 Sephiroth Is already dead since long time,actually 🤣
@@federicamacchia1656 *spoilers*
Actually no, Sephiroth is alive in the crater or was at this point in the original game. If memory serves me.
@@DarthPingu07 Sort of.
He died, physically, when Nibelheim happened. Cloud did, in fact, kill him by giving him a mortal wound and then casting him into the Lifestream. What happened, though, is he basically was "too angry to die", so to speak, and kept his soul form leaving his body. He then tapped the powers of the Lifestream to revive. But this is why he's only waist up when you eventually find him in the Northern Crater AND in his ascended winged form as the final boss of the original game. Cloud basically Darth Maul'd him in the end. His will was strong enough to refuse to STAY dead, or for his spirit to dissolve into the Lifestream (probably Jenova cells helped, since she's utterly alien to the planet and the flow of souls), and then took the power there to revive himself.
So at this point in the original game, he was dead, but had revived himself, but his body was physically in that crystal.
The thing that was never definitively answered in the original game was whether all the clones you see that appear to be Sephiroth but actually aren't were being controlled by Sephiroth himself from the Northern Crater or if they were being controlled by Jenova herself. They've always left it kind of vague as to which one is in charge, Sephiroth or Jenova, as Jenova could be pulling the strings and manipulating/controlling Sephiroth (just as the clones and even pre-mental repair Cloud are, as Jenova was extremely good at that to the point she killed many Centra before they even knew who she was because of her powers of control and mimicry), or if Sephiroth subsumed her and became the dominant mind of the pair. We really don't know even to this day, honestly.
Don’t forget, although aerith knows the future. She doesn’t know that cloud knows certain things that happens in the future as well. He’s had headaches and seen glimpses of the future but didn’t share what he saw with anyone. His mental breakdown might be worse than the original. And might not recover especially if tifa dies. We might get a jenova cloud this game
thank you for wording it as "knows the future" because im sick of people saying she knows because its time travel or alternate universes. like nah man. the plants tell her. she just sees shit BECAUSE shes an ancient.
You’re fine. It’s still Aerith that dies.
@@SnowCoveredKKWhat do you mean
@@ErenDenizMertwhat do YOU mean? Aerith still dies. And it’s set up that we will get Aerith and Zack to play with in the third installment. But 100% we lose OUR Aerith. Tifa and Cloud will be together and Aerith with Zack.
@@SnowCoveredKK Lmao cope harder Zack and aerith is a dead ship bro
I think Aeriths will die as a martyr to the necessary convergence of storylines, to close destinies crossroads and checkmating Sephiroth. It will have an even greater meaning then before. I have seen the developers telling that they wanted the sudden and definite character of death ingrained in the plot of the original to drive home that nail in our emotions. Also Aerith kind of warned us that we shouldn't fall in love with her. Her death is ingrained in the story and how it develops. That doesn't mean though that they should let her die in the same passive fashion or moment. It wouldn't suit the plot. Aerith seems to know the future and is fighting strategically throughout remake. Also the way her character is written like she is quick witted, wise, brave, able to handle herself and naturally assertive. At the end of Remake she even kind of takes the lead by steering the decision-making, like a FF-Gandalf. She also showed that she will protect others over herself when placed in dangerous situations, given how she saved Marlene by offering herself to Shinra. I think her death will be an act of self-sacrifice in the face of limited options, as with Marlene. It will be crossing Sephiroths plans by fixing the timeline in a favourable checkmate condition. Sephiroth will be played by his overconfident recklessness, written in his character. Aerith battle against Sephiroth is on another level as Cloud his battle with Sephiroth and even Barrett and the gangs battle. Aeriths battle is mystic/supernatural, Clouds battle is mental/psychological, Barret and co's battle is worldly.
Also killing Aerith off at an other moment, hinting that she might be surviving would create a fresh trauma to be experienced in this one as well. Why hit your audience once with the same death twice, if you can make it fresh by dealing them with newfound hope first, followed by a second, different, crushing death? It would be nice if the story shows that Zack isn't able to save her either, when he is around. It wouldn't wonder me when they keep Zack around for just that reason and kill him off in the process as well, making their mutual death having double impact, but less lonely in the process. Thing is I don't think they will let the experienced players of scoff free. The stakes being high and killing off characters was a key piece in the writing of the original and I don’t doubt they will do it here. So, those are my predictions.
i mean, why kill off the character that everyone is suspecting to have to die?, why not let us save her at the cost of some other character, like tifa, or berret, or yuffie, hell, pretty much anyone BUT aerith or cloud, honestly, would make a hell of alot more sense to kill off say tifa, why?, from a story perspective, what would crush clouds will more?, tifa or aerith, it would be tifa, as to why it would be a convenient plot development to crush clouds will further, it makes it alot easier for sephiroth to take over
@@shadowmaster335I don't believe so. Aeriths death in the OG was a turning point for Cloud. It filled him with resolve. The same would be true for Tifa's Death.
@@Ohne_SilikoneThis isn't og is it dude, what purpose does her death serve when she gave Cloud the holy materia, this ain't about Meteor dude, oh no it's about the end of Gaia, what would she do to stop the end of gaia, wave her magic wand about.
You arent reaching, i came to the same conclusion a week or so ago, that scene is exactly 7 seconds from the moment Sephiroth is shown until the blade pierces.
If you played (ff7) 24:00, this fight is the scripted fight at the end where he loses... this time he doesn't... hint hint, he has changed the rules, events, and the path for the "many (9)" puppets to follow to the scheme's end. Sephiroth is suppose to lose the fight... or do we want him to win this time... he he he. You will see.
Love the theory. I believe the 7secs reference implies Aeriths death as well. One thing I believe we fail to recall. The Devs have said and shown us that the “world will be saved”. Regardless, the world will be saved, but will you. You being Cloud. Aerith says the same in the latest trailer. “This is about saving you”. Guys, the remake trilogy is about Cloud. In my opinion, Sep wants to use Cloud as his vassal, be Cloud. In doing so, that will guarantee his victory.
i mean, in one of the trailers the devs came out and said that we decide HER fate, so, im suspecting that if cloud saves aerith, he might become the vessel of sephiroth, but if he doesn't he saves himself
Saying "you",the devs could refer to every player,to all of us,and,for extension,to all human kind....Because,as you surely remember,in the OG the world it's been saved,but all the human kind it's been wiped away.And i believe that this Is something that Will be out goal to change and correct...
@@shadowmaster335that could be plausible, but how would that run through to the third game? There can only be one major outcome
Actually 7 seconds according to the devs is 7 seconds to the end of the world smfh! Not Aerith's death pay attention to developers interviews. 😂🤣
@@shu2yuu easy, isn't there a section in the og game where cloud is unavailable?, just write the new story around it, and yes it can have multiple outcomes, 1. the party prevents clouds takeover, 2. cloud get's taken ovr, but they "exorcise" sephiroth, 3. sephiroth wins leading to a game over & 4. cloud dies
Biggest whole in the theory is that the whispers are clearly visible in the trailers for revirth, they arent dead and hes still in control of them. I could argue other piints too but good video man, glad to see others digging into this story still
Yeah I believe sephiroth is using them to now protect HIS altered timeline preventing the heros from changing it again.
Love these analyses. Theyre a great review of the story and speculation around the story leading up to rebirth, and I've forgotten a lot since i played remake.
Thank you! Glad to hear you're enjoying them, make sure to check my series on rebirth once youre ready!
Enough Whispers surround Shinra HQ to engulf the entire building. PVG: man there must be like HUNDREDS of them!
Counting is hard
no, prob just gotta equip the counting materia 😄@@PlayerVersusGame
There’s a Far Side joke about that.
Carl Sagan as a youth: Just look at all those stars, Becky, there must be *hundreds* of them!
Great video, friend. I subscribe to the theory that this is a sequel. The Sephiroth from AC is still in the lifestream, so he sends his consciousness back to the OG timeline to try and change fate. By him going back in time, this causes the planet to release the whispers. Much like how Weapons showed up when the planet was threatened. Hence, the whispers only existed in this timeline to preserve the events as it was meant to be. I think there's only one Sephiroth. Think of it as an updated firmware from the future. The present Sephiroth in the ice will eventually wake up, and he too will now share memories with the future Sephiroth. He's been updated. Much like how Aerith memories are updated from her future self in the lifestream. Also, the last frame of Aerith's face in the OG game is the same scene that opens this part. It's directly linked.
As for the Sephiroth that came to mess with Cloud at the start of Remake, I think that is the AC Sephiroth. He was trying to lure Cloud away, so he wouldn't meet Aerith, he wanted to test and see what he could change. Because Cloud was delayed, this is why the Whispers stopped Aerith, to buy time so she could meet Cloud. As it was originally meant to be. I think Sephiroth goal is to get us to kill fate, so he could take control of fate, literally. Now he can summon them to change fate, instead of to prevent fate. Aerith also has knowledge of the future, hence she wanted to kill fate as well, so now they can stop Sephiroth for good and change the ending of the original OG game. Because that was considered the bad ending. As we see in AC, Sephiroth was still around to manipulate things. Both Sephiroth and Aerith wanted to stop fate. For better or worse. We'll see how it plays out in Rebirth.
They’ve already said it’s a reimagining so it’s not canon to FF7
@@kjh4496 It is definitely canon. What we have here is what is called a ‘Peggy Sue’ plot.
It’s where knowledge of the future is given to a character in the past in order to fix some future catastrophe.
In this case, post Advent Children Sephiroth’s consciousness travelled to the past in order to bring about some his goals (whatever they may be).
Aerith is given information about the future as well, likely from her future lifestream self, (either to stop Seph or to fix what went wrong in the original game).
So the story is a sequel for all intents and purposes.
Wrong! 7 seconds means 7 seconds until the end of the world, developers already confirmed that back in 2020, why would Sephiroth say to Cloud "Seven seconds until the end, more than enough for you, perhaps! but what will you do with it, lets see" He says that at the Edge of Creation of all places.
That has nothing to do with Aerith's death scene, that is confirming what some people already theorise, including myself that Cloud is either killed, or he needs to choose between, Sephiroth or saving the planet. Destruction or Creation, Aerith has already given Cloud the holy materia.
Why do people constantly over complicate stuff, with silly theories, just play the game they showcased a lot of pointers on how the game will end.
Cloud is going to choose at the end of part 3 between Aerith or Sephiroth, Destruction or Creation.
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Nope it's confirmed
@@mettatonneoexwhat is?
@@basilalfehaid1533 Count from the 2nd Feather 7 seconds
@@mettatonneoex in the cutscene?
An interesting thing I noticed is that when Sephiroth summons his wing we see the same grey shadow effects that are indicative of the whispers.
@32:20 That's Biggs. Wedge is the more portly dude.
Quick aside, why does Biggs look and sound like Charlie Sheen?
I don't think you get it, there is only the flow of time. It's all memory. Sephiroth is altering and corrupting the life stream by changing the memories.
I quite like your theory. I did notice the whispers in the last Rebirth trailer.. they we're quite visible.
I hope they won't interfere anymore with the plot, maybe just act as an obverservor of "Gaia" aka the planet in the FF7 universe. Another TH-camr suggested that the Whispers were actually the "Cries of the planet" captured in cloaky/ghost-like form, I thought that was a neat concept.
I generally held the same theories you espoused in this series. If you check out The New Reunion video by sleepezi, it also draws similar conclusions to yours. However, after everything that happened in Rebirth, I don't know what to think. The writers made everything so ambiguous that anything is possible. Whether it'll be believable is another story altogether
I tried to do this same style series for Rebirth but I got so into the game I decided to finish it first then do the videos. So I'm working on them now. And yes that ending lol. Anything can happen now
@@PlayerVersusGame What really gets me is the tepidness of everything. It feels like the writers are waiting to see what is the most popular story the fans would accept and then go for that. I know in interviews they say the story is finalized, but my intuition keeps saying otherwise...
I really wanted the seven seconds thing to be Aerith's death scene. I really wanted her to live this time. After all, isn't that the point of second chances?
When you point out that rufus etc can see the whispers it reminds me of the wheel of time, that there are specific people with the power to influence and change the Pattern. ta'veren
Didn’t Hojo notice them too?
Will have to wait for part three to resolve the 7 seconds.
will there be a battle between Cloud, Sephiroth, & Elfe at the Forgotten City in Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth?
I don’t think that Sephiroth is from the original game but the version from Crisis Core. This is him before cloud gravely injures him at nebilhiem. The reason being this isn’t what one winged Angel looked like in the original but this is how Angeal and Genesis looked as they began to degrade and they were experimented on exactly like how Sephiroth was in the womb.
I dont think Aerith has all her memories from the original events. She seems to only get glimpses or feelings about what is happening.
I got an odd suspision with the bridge scene in Remake... Aerith might be the one who turns on the crew and kills one of the others. just my wild take.
Oh snap. This is a wild take. Who would you guess it would be?
@@PlayerVersusGame I'm leaning towards Yuffie... possibly Cloud, but The whole Intergrade story focuses on Yuffie for a reason. Not only for the new combat system, but she holds a significant role in the new storyline.
Wut? Aerith? How would they ever make such a change of mind in her believeble?
Coming here after Rebirth 😂😅
Lol 😆 I'll be back too
As someone who has played the original quite a few times since 1999, I'm happy for the changes and this new take on the story. However, I do think it's making the story unnecessarily confusing for new players that haven't played the original and fully understand the story already.
aerith lives, sephi is About to win, then Zack saves the day because the ever cocky sephi never considered him a threat - my predictions for part 3
7 seconds to stop him from killing her - which he wants
it must be annoing for sephiroth because he has to hold back fighting cloud and the gang because he said it himself he doesnt wanna end nor does he want cloud to end,so what exacly is his endgoal? to lure cloud over? and then what.
this remake better have one hell of a conclusion,i thought the 7 seconds where eariths death but it can also mean preventing sephiroth from casting meteor,hek this is a new one but what if they open a door to the past and get 7 seconds to prevent sephiroth from going bad?
The fate appeared again at the moment aerith death in the triller
Really interesting. I'm playing through remake right now and having a lot of fun. It's been so long. Wanted to play Crisis Core on the PS5 but I don't think I'll make it in time.
Same here. I have crisis core reunion but I've yet to play it.
I recently finished CCr on ps5 and took me 12 hours just doing the main quest. Currently doing ff7ri on ps5 before rebirth.
Sephiroth secretly plotting to invade Jenova's original planet : O
That'd be a siiiick theory dude.....that's amazing I literally never thought about jenovas home planet.
@@justinwilkinson2656right we will most likely not get that though lol like wtf we going to do vs a whole race of Jenovas 😂
Some support for your theory: what music is playing while Sephiroth is speaking?
Maybe the whispers in Zacks timeline killed off the characters since the main timeline characters entered in?
That’s Biggs not Wedge!
Crap. You're right.
I watched a video about Rebirth and the person who made it has been playing Rebirth already and in the video he said that there isn't 2 timelines or 2 whatever's there is only 1.
Who would of thought that, One timelineis the actual timeline, the other one is a illusion created by Jenova.
Nice video, only thing I have an issue with, and I may be entirely wrong because it's been years since u played the original game. However, when first discussing Zack in your video, you say in his timeline it's day, while in the game's timeline it's night. If I remember correctly, Midgar is so polluted that it's essentially always night due to the smog. Granted, I may be wrong, and clearly Remake didn't seem to adhere too hard to that, in part most likely to showcase the graphics, and maybe because that level of smog-induced Darkness would just be too oppressive if it was throughout the whole game.
I see what you're saying however in the last few seconds of the game we see zack and cloud walking towards cloud and party. No one noticed, except aerith, cloud doesn't freak out at seeing someone carrying him etc. Hence why there are two timelines.
are u saying because sephi has all his memories in this timeline/remake thing that means cloud does to? i understand that the flashback scenes and the pre knowledge of aeriths death but all that could be sephi fkn with him before he had his awakening, my thinking is regardless of timeline/remake at this point in the story cloud is all kinds of fkd up regardless, mind still broken and melded into zacks, that hasnt changed i think - im aware theres another cloud and zack out there but they live in the time line before the main party went into the portal. boom. (i havnt even finished rebirth - im at the date part on second trip to golden saucer, but want to do more side quests)
You're farther into rebirth than I am but yes thats kind of what I'm saying. If OG aerith was able to project the memories of the original game's events into this timeliness, then both sephiroth ans cloud having made significant contact with the life stream could be doing the same imo
25:59 Huge spoiler
Actually it means 7 seconds to the end of the world, not Aerith's death, developers already confirmed that way back in like the summer of 2020.
I think Seph went back and Aerith could follow him, both from the lifesrteam.
Aerith was chill because Seph himself can't go and change things as they were, even if they're watching it. But with Seph manipulating Cloud and the gang in the direction he wants, killing the "arbiters of fate" as they tried to stop everyone, now everything can happen.
Aerith was chill until that happened, and now she herself has to also play this game instead of just remembering it, henceforth the freedom she mentions.
And bc of that, other timelines are possible. I hate to bring Marvel into things but it's exactly like Loki. There used to be a sacred timeline, now there isn't.
To me Destiny's Crossroads is when Sephiroth opens a portal to the end of the OG game... Where Meteor is gonna engulf Midgard before Holy takes in, but absorbing the Meteor he changes everything.
the devs have already said theyre not changing the main story beats.
if you think this is reaching wait till you play Fez
nice video
Whispers are definitely a part of Rebirth. They are not gone or destroyed. Maybe Sephiroth have control over Destiny.
Bro offended every ford truck owner with that f150 comment 😂😂
Sephiroth wasn't killed at the end. Nor were the wispers... my God did you pay attention
Im gonna love seeing the meltdown people are going to have when Rebirth follows the original and this whole timetravel, timeline, multiverse nonsense is run through with a 6 foot long katana
Does seem like it would be terrible storytelling to have such a huge effort dedicated to ‘fate can be changed’ only for nothing to change. We’ll see if the writers of this game are as bad at storytelling as you believe them to be.
@@Noplayster13 the writer of the Remake trilogy is the same man that wrote the original (personally my favourite game/story of all time, and seemingly going to be surpassed by the RE trilogy)
The whole premise of the original was fighting against fate (the fate of the planet) and despite the party “dealing with shinra” and “dealing with sephiroth” humanity was still fated to die off and the planet thrive.
We’ve been told that the whispers and harbinger are “fate incarnate” but that doesn’t mean that they are (we keep getting told cloud is ex-SOLDIER, but we know that is a lie, and one of the main talking points they keep using is “what is fact and what is fiction”)
Bad storytelling is having chekov’s gun and it never going off. The RE trilogy has setup chekov’s gun (the whispers) in a way that it it can go either way (the whispers were an early concept for the OG for the cloaked figure’s “parts of jenova flying around in cloak’s” as mentioned in one of the ultimainia’s (cant remember which one, its been some years since i read it and there are a lot of them).
The devs have also told us multiple times that the trilogy will follow the original and follow into advent children.
Also the Nibelhiem incident has been told at least 6 times, all different and yet all the same and thats never been accused of being bad story telling
@@TeAXIIIT13 I accuse them of bad storytelling with Crisis Core; that game added nothing and contradicted a whole lot in Nibelheim.
Also, any focus on Zack is bad storytelling as well. He is a generic, cool supersoldier guy, which was perfect for his role in the original since it’s who Cloud had always fantasized of being. That’s why Cloud adopted the shallow persona of Zack’s shallow cool guy personality.
You’re right to bring up Checkov’s gun, but in this case, it points to them saying that things will be different from now on. It can’t ‘go either way’ unless they are bad writers. You can’t set up a ‘The whispers tried to force things along the same path as the original, but we have defeated them and now anything can happen!’ only for things to end up exactly the same as the original.
It’s bad storytelling to set up chekov’s gun and then not have it go off. So we will see if they are really as terrible at it as you seem to hope.
@@Noplayster13 again we have been told that the whisper’s were there to “keep things the same”, we have been told that they are the physical manifestation of “fate”, we have also been told that Cloud was in soldier, that Jenova was an ancient, that Red was the last of his kind etc, all of which were lies.
Have the whispers been setup so that things can change? Yes, but only if what we have been told about them is true.
If the whispers are what i believe they are then that is not “bad storytelling” that is brilliant storytelling and is called a twist, like the truth about cloud and the nibelhiem incident, or Kefka succeeding at becoming a god (FF6)
Chekovs gun has to go off, but it could have been taken off the wall and fired or it could have fallen down, of it could never have been loaded and a second gun goes off instead.
Crisis core didn’t contradict any of nibelhiem (truly curious why you think this) the closest thing to contradicting it would be last order
It's FFVII remake dude. It's not that deep
... pro-tip... script it, deliver it, edit it.
Also STOP SAYING BASICALLY
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@@justinwilkinson2656 sup Wario
Pro-tip? Bro you ain't no pro😂 Get a million subscribers and then give advice to people. Your a pro commenter
Seems fine to me, his delivery is cohesive and has natural flow
Heh... Basically
You're so wrong that it isn't even funny
This multiverse stuff is kind of weird, have to be honest I wish they just kept the story closer to its original roots without the whispers and this timeline stuff, it gets confusing and takes importance off the original timelines events. Why would we care about what happens in some other timeline when we know only one will become reality, the ending that we all know.
Jesus man... listening to someone ramble for 30 mins is mentally grating. Hearing someone stammer and figure out what they're trying to say doesnt scream "quality" ... stuttering and mumbling...
Also the god damn original Sephiroth is not the same Sephiroth from Advent Children. Holy shit. Kadaj and his brothers were supposed to morph into a Sephiroth clone. Just, play Mario or something, dude.
You seem nice.
@@Station9.75 I'm also not a public figure. Present yourself and expect due criticism.
@@chrislevack405 - Ah, the old “you put yourself out there, so if you can’t handle me being a dick then it’s your fault” line.