I Missed This The First Time I Played Final Fantasy 7 Remake | Road to Rebirth Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth is right around the corner, so this is the perfect time to replay the game and recap the story while also discussing some theories as to what is happening in Remake and what could happen in Rebirth! #finalfantasyviiremake #finalfantasyviirebirth #finalfantasy7remake #finalfantasy7rebirth
There's quite a few references to the Advent Children movie, which would lead me to believe that this Sephiroth might be from that future timeline. Somehow, he's back again, and he's trying to alter his fate.
Some examples are:
Cloud grabbing his left arm in pain because of geo-stigma, which doesn't affect him until Advent Children.
Sephiroth's black wing was never in the OG game but first appeared in the movie.
The three whisper you fight towards the end have similar if not the same weapons as Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo.
Yoshinori Kitase confirmed that the development is incorporating the Advent Children movie into the storyline of the remake trilogy.
“We are finally going to link up with Advent Children, that is going to be part of canon,” Kitase said.
Sephiroth did mention in Advent Children he will never be a memory as long as Cloud lives.
@@agamersinsanity Aerith also claimed that its impossible to remove sephiroth from the lifestream, and he can't be killed because of his link with jenova. For all intents and purposes, Jenova might not be able to actually do anything now but the implication is that she's kind of driffting around the lifestream like a parasite never truly dying, same as sephiroth. Aerith said she was going to drift around the lifestream for a while and not naturally merge into it to fight him or so the implication was but eventually she won't really be able to fight it anymore and become a natural part of the planets lifestream.
For all purposes, the planet itself is basically omniscient, Which means that it has all knowledge of future events and past events. So in a weird way The sephiroth that we are seeing might be the sephiroth from this timeline still, and the aeirth that we see might be not Aerith from the original timeline when she appears in spirit form but like some kind of antibody that the lifestream created to fight the Spectors and also stop sephiroth because his memories of him being defeated would have been accessed by him because of the fact his body is currently just soaking in a hole in the lifestream.
Jessie's bomb did destroy the reactor. It was designed to blow up just that small core. Shinra destroyed the whole complex to make it seem like it was larger and actual kill people to paint them as villains to the public.
In the OG Jessie actually says she didn't think the bomb she made would be that big, implying either she didn't know what she was doing or that something else was at play.
Cloud had met and talked with Tifa before the mission. How else do you think he got the job. Barret even confirms it in the opening mission multiple times. They just never really took time to catch up that much, or they already had some conversations, which is why Cloud isn't afraid to ask for his money once he finishes the job.
The whisper speaking to Cloud when he sleeps is actually the voice of Sephiroth trying to keep him from waking up and going on the mission while the other spirits are trying to make it so Cloud DOES go on the mission.
There are 2 forces controlling the s the planet, the other is Sephiroth. Sephiryoh throught remake is constantly testing what he can and can't change. This is why he kills barret, why he shows up to Cloud so often, Why he releases a Jenova spawn in the Shinra tower. He is seeing the extent of his power. Which is what leads him to lead the party to destroy fate and set him free.
I have a feeling that sephiroth wants something not just vague perpetual chaos but something specific
The movie Advent Children is a sequel to the original game. Sephiroth has been defeated more than once by Cloud, but he refuses to give up. Advent Children or future Sephiroth is using the lifestream to try to change his fate. When future Sephiroth shows up after the bombing explosion, he is trying to lure Cloud away from meeting Aerith. The hollows ensure Aerith stays put until Cloud arrives. In the end of remake, you actually help Sephiroth. Now there is confusion here. Did future Sephiroth possess his past timeline self? or are there now 2 Sephiroth in this timeline? Another question asked is "was Aerith talking with her future self in the intro?"
Also pay attention to the music in the alley scene. The music is from Advent Children which many of us really think points towards a future Sephi.
I doubt he's possessing his former body, as it's stuck up in the north crater.
It sure appears there are two, but one is Jenova
@TheDrune Actually, can't they both be Jenova? They already pulled the whole "Sephiroth was actually Jenova the whole time" trick on us once. Who's to say they won't do it again? Maybe the space traveling planet parasite found some way to distort time. Wouldn't be the first time *cough Lavos cough*
It's been confirmed that there's a Sephiroth we have yet to meet, meaning he's in the game, but we haven't seen him in other media.
Exactly. When Barret tells Cloud he's not on the second reactor job, it's because this is a sequel. Same thing when Cloud cries remembering things about Aerith.
And that is why Doomguy will save her as promised.
9:50 There is an entire FF7 universe out there, and if u play FF7:Ever Crisis u will experience that that was not the first time that Tifa and Cloud met in Midgar after 5 years. After Zack dies and Clouds ends up in Midgar's streets like a hobo, he gets found by Tifa. Tifa introduces him to the Avalanche and that is how he gets his job as a mercenary.
Therefore Tifa and Cloud had several discussions with each other at that point and was not their first meeting in 5 years.
Really great video, I love FF7 and Remake and alot of FF fans took a while to get into the remake. Anyone who haven't played OG FF& there's a HUGE Final Fantasy 7 Remake trilogy spoiler with not much of a warning. Please be aware.
Thank you! I loved remake the first time through and in loving it even more this second time. Seeing everyone chime in with their thoughts on what's going on is great and looking at both the original al and remake has been a blast! Part 2 coming in a few days once I'm done editing lol
Great video! Hell House was the first game over I got in a Final Fantasy ever. I'll hopefully publish a video about that monster soon.
As far as a personal theory, this is more of an observation. In Advent Children, a reborn Sephiroth asks Cloud what he cherishes. Cloud responds with "there's not a thing I don't cherish" as in "I cherish everything".
Fast forward to FF7R when Cloud is falls into Sector 5 he gets knocked out and has a vision of Sephiroth. Cloud asks who Sephiroth is because he can't see him, he's behind Cloud, and Sephiroth replies, "I am your everything."
So while I can't go more in depth, there's a definite connection with this being more of a Remaquel game. I also find it interesting that Sephiroth absorbed all of the Whispers in Chapter 18.
Prime Sephiroth and Beagle Sephiroth are both present in Remake. Beagle Sephiroth only appears when Jenova escapes Shinra HQ - just as Prime Sephiroth had done years before.
I rhought it was only jenohva was at the HQ
@@michaelhowell2809 Well they're both Jenova's body. Sephiroth's real body is dead somewhere at the north crater.
Interesting. So instead of them being one and the same they're both present, separately?
@@PlayerVersusGame Only speculation. The Sephiroth in Remake clearly WANTS things to change from the original, but the Sephiroth that Marco turns into that steals Jenova does exactly what happened in FF7. He also never tries to interfere with Cloud's group the way Remake Sephy does. He kills the President, grabs his moma, and bails.
@@NikkiTaLance see I'm thinking they're both one in the same. Kind-of like, OG seph projected himself into this "timeline" but the notion that there could be 2, interesting
Cloud spoke to tifa beforehand
You kinda late buddy. But it seems the beginning of the game when we see aerith opens her eyes is what makes this game a sequel. Because the ps1 version at the end of the game she opens her eyes. Meaning the remake aerith watched the whole first game unfold while in that alley.
The lifestream most likely showed her the events of first game. So she can change it since as she is the only cetra. Reasons how sephiroth knows the future is unknown tho.
Better late than never? Just trying to time a recap/theory series right before release. Plus good way to play with hype removed so I can pay more attention to things. Correct me if in wrong, i thought sephiroth had ties to the cetra too?
@@PlayerVersusGame I didn’t mean that first sentence in a negative way. But as far as sephiroth, he might possibly be the first hybrid man made cetra in this remake for all we know. But one thing I do know is in ff7 remake their are two sephiroths, one that the lifestream shows which pops up and talks to cloud from time to time. And the jenova sephiroth that always evil grins and doesn’t say much that stabs barret and kills president shinra
Sorry lol wasn't taken negatively just friendly banter. Interesting, I always guessed this sephiroth was linked to og sephiroth, never that two were present.
@@PlayerVersusGame to go more into detail. One sephiroth springs from the reunion clones, this one is the jenova sephiroth. All this one talks about is the reunion and negative things. And then vanishes back to the clone.
The other sephiroth which is the normal sephiroth comes straight from clouds mind thru the lifestream and mako. He say’s things to shape clouds mind in a way saying nothing bad or about a reunion. And vanishes in thin air
The whispers are the fans that dont want the game to be changed!
Mystery solved! I'm deleting my channel now! 🤣
@tfalders Your talking about professor Ghast and Ifalna (Aeris mother she was an Ancient). She explained Jenova was a Calamity that fell from the skies. I gotta replay the game cause the 2nd disc PSX explains this in Prof. Ghast and Ifalna flashback. She explained how Jenova went from planet to planet absorbing their life source. Shinra did think J was an ancient hoping to lead them to the promised land. Hojo also knows of this.
Given the background, I can understand how you cane to a few interesting but weird conclusions in episode 2... I am Koniving and i am a former youtuber. Ive been wanting to do a video on ff7, but lack the time or patience to make an edit one but would be more than happy to discuss it with you for a future video of yours. I'll cover a few interesting bits here.
In the OG, we get exclusively the prrspective of avalanche in regards to the bomb. Jessie -- in the 7th heaven basement -- states that she followed the instructions exactly, and she cant understand what went wrong. We dont get a hint as to where the instructions came from, however. There is a bunch of cut content, including Jessie's story and more Shinra. It was cut, due to a train bombing somewhat close to release. Learning about the reasons behind a bomber on a train seemed like bad optics.
In remake, we are actually told she used a bigger blasting agent than the instructions called for, indicating that Jessie saw this bomb wouldnt be enough to do the job without it, and went for the bigger bomb. However, the intention for the bomb was to fry its ability to run temporarily. They never had ambitions to truly blow it up the way that they did.
Sephiroth -- in the OG there is cut xontent that the first encounter with Sephiroth was actually in the elevator to 7th heaven, where when you go down to the basement, Cloud loses consciousness.
Back at reactor one there was a voice warning about the reactor. This voice in the ultimania omega is supposed to be Zack warning Cloud; it was originally a much larger scene but it hinted too early about Cloud's unreliable narrator status.
So in remake, Zack is removed and instead we have our first allusion to Sephiroth. From this moment on, every reference meant to be from Zack according to the ultimania omega (written by Nomura who was the director of remake), is instead replaced by more appearances by Sephiroth suggesting that dead Zack has already been removed from Cloud's mind.
Alsp curious, Sephiroth shows up and redirects us away from the others in such a way that ensures Cloud meets Aerith, and whispers did not guide him to this. If Cloud kept going he would have met up with Barret anf the others, and would have passed in front of a city-government building, implying some of the political world building we have been seeing in remake and rebirth.
Also, Sephiroth does not deny being killed. Except in the original, and every version ever with every change done to the Nibelheim scene, one thing is always made clear, Sephiroth does not die in his plunge to the lifestream. And yet, Sephiroth does not deny dying, and even Cloud hesitates, as if suddenly realizing he had somehow killed Sephiroth at some point. Sephiroth's first/only death is at the end of FF7 OG. The scene is immediately followed by a song from the advent children movie which deals specifically with uncertainty.
Roche's appearance ties very loosely into cut content about a soldier encounter, and Jessie's cut story due to the train bombing event in real life.
What you are supposed to take from it is the appearance of the avalanche old guard, which was present in Before Crisis and will be very important to the Zack side of the story in Rebirth. An avalanche civil war takes place between Zack's intended death and Cloud meeting Tifa. During this time a big event happens that may permanently doom the planet regardless of what is done in ff7 OG, as Red says, the OG ending is "what will happen if we fail."
--- Whispers.
Note, in every language, the voice of the whisper are always that language's voice actor for Sephiroth. Keeping Cloud asleep may prevent Cloud from joining them to reactor 5. Insert whisper panic. The whispers need Cloud to arrive. However, four specific whispers often depicted in Sephiroth key art, do not want you to get there.
Back to Aerith Cloud Sephiroth...
Note Aerith's eyes do not focus on anything, she acts as if swatting a swarm of flies, she has no idea where they are. She can feel them but not see them. It isn't until she touches Cloud, her eyes wide with realization and she shifts her focus to lock onto one then another, asking "what are they?"
From this moment on, anyone Cloud physically has had contact with, in a cutscene or in the case with Rufus during a combat animation Rufus touches Cloud... Anyone that has touched Cloud can see the whispers.
@@Koniving Wow.. I didn't even realize that. So it's only Cloud at first that could only see the whispers.. That's crazy
@@synceredagenius6084 Not exactly what I was saying.. the two coming into contact gives Both of them the ability to see. The world of white (ancient cells) and the world of black (sephiroth-jenova cells). From then on anyone touching Cloud of any significance is then given the ability to see them. In Hojo's case he has touched both Aerith and Cloud at some point in his life.
@@Koniving Oh ok.. gotcha chief
There's a little detail you forget about Tifa and Cloud at the beginning of FF7: Tifa and Cloud weren't actually very close friends. Before Cloud left Nebilheim, Tifa and Cloud, as children, barely knew each. Cloud was a social outcast and wanted to be friends with Tifa, but was bullied out of almost every attempt at getting close to her, until Tfa's mom died. She got in her head she could see her again if she went to the reactor. When she got a bridged, it collapsed and Cloud likely intervened in such a way that ends up saving her. Unfortunately, everyone blamed Cloud for the event and not Tifa. After both recovering from the fall, Cloud's had enough, and has that scene with Tifa where he tells he he's going to leave to join SOLDIER.
So, when she recalls events from the past, she's misremembering in only that one event and she's indebted to him somehow. She does not know Cloud was part of the Nebilheim event, and far as she knows, was saved by Zack.
Cloud being stand offish as he were shouldn't be too surprising, but he does have a thing for her, so he sticks around.
This is explained more in Traces of Two Pasts as well. They were closer prior to the Tifa's mother passing, but Cloud was already drifting away prior to that. Cloud being blamed for the accident just made it worse.
This remake is not a remake, is a sequel, what is being remade is their future
Excellent word play on squares part eh?
no, it is been said by creators that jessie bomb wasnt that strong and she mention that, remake just this chance to extend this and make it clear
Jessie’s bomb was enough to take out just the reactor. I have no idea how you thought it wasn’t?
I never could understand how Cloud could choose Aerith over Tifa.
Because Cloud isn't you
One thing I dislike about ff7r is that it tries to play the fence way too much. The reality is that ff7r is the entry point for a lot of new FF players. The point of FF7 was never about Cloud vs Sephiroth for the most part. Sephiroth didn't even know who the Frick Cloud even was. He was just a copy destined to give over the black materia. Cloud was a nobody who had the strength all along. This remake suffers from Darth Vader syndrome in my opinion. A character ruined by popularity. Now both Cloud and Sephiroth are chosen ones and I feel for new players, the core message of life and cherishing it along with its mental health messages will get lost in the spectacle
You missed hell of info if you didn’t play the original. Crisis Core for instance drops a lot of bombs. He was there the whole time. Cloud has amnesia also from being torchered/experimented on by Hojo in the Shinra Mansion Basement along side Zack who was used to the Mako. Cloud’s also supposed to be a failed Sephiroth clone.
@Tej8728 there's a huge amount of people playing ff7r without playing the original
@@xarbinchaoticneutral1785 you sound like my nephews, they didn’t do it so I’m not gonna do it. That’s cool and you can do what you want, but it’s a half assed interpretation of the game leaving you and ya friends looking ignorant. You can literally watch people play the game. You can’t play the remake and not know the original and crisis core stories.
@Tej8728 okay boomer. I played the original. I was a teen when the original came out. What I'm saying is current 15/16 year Olds are playing ff7r as thier intro to the ff series.....
@@xarbinchaoticneutral1785 Whoa calm down don’t go grab the 9 Jamal, can’t debate without name calling. Come on you are an adult.
Try harder if you wish to hurt my feelings.
Please! It kills me when people half-az their insults.
It’s not a standalone story by itself. You need the other parts to understand the story as a whole or at least “research”.
Reading through your comments showing you barely scratched the surface. The info is literally written on the internet if you don’t wish to play it. Attacking a character you don’t even understand. This guy wasn’t always like this Cloud went through the depths doped up on Mako barely coming out alive. Losing my mom, my hometown, my friend who was a First Class Soldier, or that the Buster Sword isn’t Clouds, or Zack’s and it was inherited.
That’s no excuse, in this digital age where almost anything can be accessed at will. Get the facts right!
It's made what was already a lovable mess an utterly inssne mess, just making it up as they go along.
You know the whole "Inability" to revive the dead thing, I'll say it from back then, I'll say it now.... "PHOENIX DOWN YOU FOOL"
Phoenix down only "revives" people who are unconscious it doesn't resurrect them from death.
I still wish ffvii was a one for one turned base jrpg remake even though i enjoyed the remake a lot.
Same, in a perfect world there'd be an option to do either turn based or remake's gameplay
I’m happy we have mods for the original to scratch that itch
You have a one to one turn based jrpg remake of this already.