I love how everyone is drifting towards the conclusion that every single car in this segment is just great. It's gotten to a point where you can legitimately pick your car just by the brand you want to drive the most, and no one can really blame you for it.
True tho the brz and gt86 are in my opinion the only cars I'd leave off the list. Simply because they aren't really faster than these hot hatches but they also aren't as great to live with. But that's my personal opinion
I'm glad that's the case, considering I can't afford to pick my car as a college student lol. I've only ever owned auction cars that I'm lucky enough to buy for cheap and my dad helps me repair. We picked up a manual 2021 GTI recently and I couldn't be happier
It's a joy that the Type R, Elantra N, Golf R, and GR Corolla are in direct competition. All offer their own pros and cons and are fantastic cars for their respective companies.
Wider rubber means more rolling resistance and more aero drag which weighs in at higher speeds. It also means better launch and better cornering which all plays out. Cars must indeed be very similar with subtle configuration changes leading to measured differences. Not too surprising really.
Throttle house is pulling better numbers than Daddy Doug on this video with half the subscribers. Just goes to show you what constant investing back into your channel does. Hats off to you boys, you’re killing it!
Doug is the master at explaining "quirks and features" in a dorky fashion, yet he's incapable of driving really fast in a track and cannot extract or convey the emotion these cars are meant to evoke from a proficient driver
You can have both, And it doesn't have to be a pissing contest! But I agree these guys are killing it and the production value keeps going up and up. The more awesome car content on TH-cam the better! Cheers
I own a FK8. Its just a great car for fun on the track and at the same time a great daily driver. Even after more than three years of owning this car, i still feel joy the moment i take a seat in it. Greetings everyone!
@@scottjua just get a new WRX, the 2.4L Is great, got the FA20 turbo on my Forester XT, quite superior to the EJ25 to be honest, I imagine the FA24 is even better. A cobb stage 1 tune will also get you up to type R power levels
how can someone think that a 6yr old hot hatch car can keep up with a brand-new hot hatch car just boggles my mind!! 6yrs of newer tech will almost definitely beat older tech ..
You mean the DGS that's been recalled 6 times, with several of those times actually making the problems WORSE? No thanks, I don't want a Ford Powershift either.
@@zajawamotocykle9256 everyone? u still got Audi and BMW that cant even be touched by honda unless you spend 10k on engine mods. and even the Toyota Supra
@Jacob Green - I know right?! Absolute bs. I haven’t seen an RS here in the states for over two years; but, I just got back from France and I saw a few of them.
I know its not a "new" car but can we please just get a lap time of the Focus RS?! I am beyond curious how it stacks up in a real world scenario against its competitors.
@@Spiritcr1jsher extra 6lb in terms of unsprung weight for the suspension is a lot lol, putting more width tires mean more weight and suspension re-work
Just when you think that this channel has reached peak production levels, you guys pull something like this off. Unbelievable, you guys are absolute legends, well done!
The best part of these videos is no matter what happens, everyone wins - all of these cars are amazing and you can't really go wrong with them. Great stuff TH team.
Great video as always. One of my favorite channels to watch. Swap wheels on the new Type R and the old one and see what the track difference will be. Next episode on Extra Throttle House
Great point. I'd be curious if there is any wheel weight too. Optional lighter option on honda's website(5.29 lbs lighter than stock) automobiles.honda.com/-/media/Honda-Automobiles/Vehicles/2023/Civic-Type-R/BAP-Modals/BAP-Modals/02-Wheels/MY23-Civic-Type-R-BAP-modal-Alloy-Wheel-1x.jpg
Potentially as fast, but if the Golf was a second quicker on this day than previously, the M2 could also be a second quicker in these conditions. Either way, the Civic is impressively fast, but while it may match the M2 in lap times, it sadly isn't anywhere near it for fun. Sadly because I so badly wanted Honda to stop their lap time obsession and make fun cars again, but alas no...
@@GetOffMyLog wow do you consider that tight? It's at least twice as wide as an average mountain road here. Maybe that's why these hot hatches are not that fast
@@silimarina. Officially yes, but the Golf R is massively under-rated power wise, its true power as been found to be much closer to 350 so very similar to the Focus.
@@That1lowaccord so what? It's a 5 year old car, you're kidding yoursel if you expected anything else. The fact that it _barely_ lost is impressive, especially since it's not known for being the fastest in a straight line.
If Ford had kept making and improving the Focus RS, I have no doubts that it would shame the Civic and Golf in launch and rolling drags. Such a shame to see that legendary car falling by the wayside. On the other hand, I really like the new Civic! Styling and performance are spot-on.
They would have to ditch the 2.3L turbo with a improved engine which costs $$$. The ford Focus RS engine was recycled by the Mazda speed 3 & 5 which had bad reliability.
@@RDriver2.0 It's literally the oldest car there and cheapest, it's actually impressive how it kept up with those modern cars and even pulled on launch. DCT is good and all but the Focus hung still, so yea, it's a shame really.
They could easily have their own show on a network. Yes they play with stupid high ends cars that the people who can afford them probably don’t have the time to watch the show, I’m pretty confident in that lol but they are so good about testing and reviewing your modern day cars or that $30k-$50k sports car where is the typical range people are shopping for the best car for the value
Final Drive is what people don't realize makes the difference. If it has enough in the torque curve to pull the gears it'll have a wave you feel. If not, it does that... I have the highway gear in my truck; 3.55 ratio. 70 mph at 2,000rpm but with that you get 1-2 shift at 35mph and the 2-3 at 70.. with 4 & 5 being overdrive. So I run OD off to avoid it shifting too much in the city, negating the "milage gains" though which is pointless because it has enough torque to leave in 2nd and 4/5 doesn't shift until 40-50 with lockup around 52mph. So old auto or new Manual, gearing matters
Not that simple to tell - when the overall tyre diameter is a different size, not to mention there is slightly different power. Wasn't going to know until the test.
One thing I recall when C&D long term tested the accord 2.0t, it gained almost 5mph in the 1/4mile after 40,000 miles, maybe this engine is experiencing the same thing after more break-in
Shame the Focus RS didn't have a go on the new surface track. Would have been interesting to see how a 5-6 year old car stacks up to the new hot hatches
The focused man in the focus, his facial expressions were amazing you could tell what he was thinking the entire time, and when he actually spoke “what” I was cracking up.
Elantra N owner here as well and I totally agree ! Was watching this with my wife who knows nothing about cars and she's finally starting to understand how special the EN is.
Elantra N look up there a vid with a Elantra with just tune and tires doing 11s in the 1/4 thats crazy fast for a stock care with such simple mods , also i hace both the fk8 and EN and i can say these cars are veeery similar
@@opadilla123as an EN owner who’s allowed multiple FK8 and FL5 owners drive my DCT N they’re all blown away at the fact it costs less than the FK8 and FL5 and is just as quick if not slightly quicker and has all the things that made the FK8 special besides the heritage but that comes with time. Let’s hope Hyundai and Honda continue to push one another to keep making the best cars in this segment.
Excellent, excellent, excellent video. I love how you guys create content about the sort of scenarios and comparisons that talk about with my mates in the pub. If the GR Corolla were there, it would have been 100% perfect.
I still like the FK2 a lot too! I prefer the smaller overall dimensions of the 9th gen Civic hatch and the magic seat layout is useful. Unfortunately the FK2 Type R was never sold in Australia.
I'm super glad I didn't wait for the new Type-R. I actually really like the busy, overengineeres look of the previous one but I do have to say I like the new interior more. Not that I have anything to complain about with the previous one but this is a lot cleaner and more sorted out looking. Oh well, can't have everything. Great video guys
@@miriamvivo4279 I bought the FK8 in late 2020 and got it delivered in May 21 at MSRP. There were no huge markups in my region, unlike the US or elsewhere because around Europe this actually is not a popular car that ppl. actually buy as its deemed unreasonable. Had the FN2 Type R before and traded it in. Happy (again) ever since.
Thomas, I'm super impressed with your ability to launch with the manual. And yes, as pointed out if we were comparing the fastest version of each car the DSG would make a big different. Especially in the drag races. Can you pretty please put a DSG Golf R on your track to get a time? You can borrow mine :-) Great content!
With front drive, you have to roll in the power. 1/2 clutch it until the tires bite and then drop the hammer. The hard drop after burning some clutch while finessing the traction makes for a great take-off. Unlike RWD which need the hard drop to put weigh on the rear wheels. If your launching like a RWD, you're doing all wrong.
Yes as an Elantra N owner, I get so frustrated when they do comparisons with the manual..... The DCT and the DSG are both so much faster than their manual counterparts.....
i’ve seen other reviews show how to turn off piped in noise while staying in type r mode and showed being able to customize gauge cluster to have whatever gauge at whatever driving setting in individual mode amongst many other great customizations. just thought i would throw that out there
Thank you so much for bringing back the Focus RS, you have grown so much since then and I’m so happy to see it up against the new competition. Might be from 2016 but still throws punches in its segment. Now sad that it couldn’t make hot laps 😔
Thanks for helping convince me I need a VW golf R! Gave my '13 GTi to my 16 yr old, bought a used '16 A5, and will upgrade to a golf R shortly. Civic is improved but still looks like a tuner for a 25 yr old and I like my heated/cooled seats and awd
Consider a late 17-18 RS I have a late 17 in blue that’s stage 2 and love it never gets old. The heated steering wheel comes in nice in the winter too 🫡
Yeah, I feel like that could account for literally all of the time difference to be honest. Would love to see this done again but with a set of FL5 wheels shoved on the FK8. Car wouldn't be set up for them but I wouldn't be surprised if it was still within a couple of tenths then. Also, 265s are insane on a hot hatch. A new RWD M4 Comp only has 255 rear tyres but that has 510hp and weighs more than most towns. Those tyres and the relatively poor economy (I'm assuming not much improved since the FK8) mean the FL5 has comparable running costs to some fairly serious sports cars that it can't compete with as a driving experience- a 991 Carrera would cost the same to buy and run, at least here in the UK. In terms of driving pleasure, that's really not a comparison the FL5 wants to be part of...
@@HotHatchHero Interesting, you're correct, tyre companies clearly haven't quite got their websites sorted for that, I checked 2 registrations against 2 tyre companies thinking that would be accurate info! Either way, 265s on the FL5 is still insane for a hot hatch.
@@CaseyCollier it was at the moment they were talking about Thomas's time with checo in the US, popped up for a quick second right above their heads :)
This is the most interesting car segment in the auto industry. Fast, fun practical cars and best of all, they are not most boring SUV's. Great review as always!!
Great review guys! But...if you would like to make it much more interesting, you can put the wheels and tires of the FL5 on the FK8 and test it's Lap time again, as the wheels uses the same offset, it can be done! My personal thoughts and guess are that the FK8 will do the same Lap time when put on the same wheels and tires.
personally i think when Honda decided to make fk8 the fwd king they did everything to make sure its as balanced as possible, if its as easy as wheel swap to make the old one faster then you are basically calling out engineers to be incompetent
@tancock tires i agree, but wheels can be tricky. 19s might be better on 1 car but worse on the other, also with the older specially edition it came with cup 2s, lighter wheels. something they already did a test before. yet it wasn't m2 comp level kind of track time
Yup, that about puts the nail in the coffin for me on the new type R, no way on the $60k-$65k plus entry point, looking how it did vs previous gen. Insane
I know there's a lot of internet hate for the looks of the previous gen but I honestly don't mind it. I would go with the older style myself....if I was in the market lol. Once I pay off my Challenger I might look in to seeing what I can get for it and my hoopty Corolla and maybe combine to the 2 cars in to one with a Type-R. You're definitely right about the price though, ouch, that's a lot of money. Hopefully some of that is due to inflated prices at the moment because that's a bummer for sure.
Great comparison video, especially between the CTR FK8 and FL5. Nice to see some of the improvements Honda's made, but as an FK8 owner I'm very happy I got my 2021 edition. Perrin motor mount upgrade is a must-do for the FK8; wheel hop is pretty much eliminated.
What an absolute treat! I recently hooked up with your channel and was binging the drag races. I watched Type R vs Corolla 23 vs Elantra N yesterday and was dying to watch the 2023 Type R although I liked the old Type R. I'm pretty glad that the old one could beat the newer one in both the drag and roll race.
"Please make sure there is no background noise, then try again" 😆 Great review and tremendous driving as always boys, keep up the wonderful work & stay safe!
Would love to see someone doing a Track test with FK8 and FL5 using the same tyres and size, that would be very interesting and i have a feeling the results might be the same as the roll race.
Could be since it was a press car and the japanese are known for funny business with press cars. Civic type R is doing 4.9-5.3 compared to the 4.4-4.7 of the first press cars.
The fl5's wing has more than 3x the downforce of the fk8's, excited to see more of it on a larger track. anyways, thanks for always making amazing vids guys, always entertaining.
Apparently the voice command system in the new one is improved as well. 😂 However, I'm going for the GR Corolla. It's so unique, tons of character, and I love how it's AWD system works plus the special engine. I love its small size too. Icing on the cake are the creature comforts like a heated steering wheel and excellent ride handling balance. The Type R is a phenomenal choice and I don't blame those going for the Golf R, but the controls in the VW are a deal breaker for me.
Bad thing on that gr is the engine its tiny good only for those that don’t tune this little engine will need better internals to get respectable power it’s already proven that it will start breaking valve seats and who nose what else once its tuned
First and foremost the Fk8 also has shift lights. (the European anyway). If the Fk8 also had pilot sport tyres, times would have been the same with the Fl5. So I'll stick with my Fk8 anyway. I'm glad you did this test !!!
The older Type R is already a legend and even more so after this video! And dare I say, it looks better from the outside for my taste (it's much more futuristic, even though it is older, but it looks unreal in flesh on the road, like nothing else really, like an alien car literally) and from the inside - it's above and beyond me how anyone can like an interior with stuck on like a tablet infotainment screen (the only nicely done example is in the new Mazda 3 IMO) and last, but not least - it is even faster in a straight line!!! What a car...
@@marinosmichel K20 Platform is *recognised for its Trap Speed* Since 2001 Most powerful Naturally Aspirated engine (vtec slaying the opposition). Unlike the Germans the Japanese are *Real Engineers* (valve tec) with Manual transmission for a Real Driving Experience
@@marinosmichel You claim NOT BUILT FOR SPEED🧐🧐 NO HONDA IS LIMITED TO 155MPH SINCE 2015 =170MPH (TURBO PLATFORM) 2001-2015 NATURALLY ASPIRATED VTEC NEARLY 30MPH FASTER THAN ANY OTHER MANUFACTURER. VW WAS 135MPH UNTIL THE R WAS RELEASED.👍
@X XL Track times are correct in this video! The fl5 won on the track! That straight line race proved you wrong though didn’t it? Keep being a dumba$$🤪
Owned a Focus RS here in the uk from new in 2017 and it was £32k. The new CTR is £52k with options. I seriously doubt it’s £20k better! And only seems to be quick on a dry race track and not your typical greasy and damp British road. I sold my RS to buy the GR Yaris which is just as quick as the RS but more usable due to it’s smaller dimensions and lighter weight. I’m looking forward to coming across a CTR on a damp day and leaving them behind in a trail of wet leaves in my wake ;)
@@GhettoGatesss if the RS was still being made or there was a mk4 Focus RS it may well be the same price but will also be offering AWD and substantially more power. Probably hybrid boost in addition as that was the rumour before it was shelved so you’re looking at 400+ bhp which makes the Civic Type R look even more overpriced. All this is moot and irrelevant though as there aren’t any plans for a Focus RS replacement.
@@TheFK8Life that’s a solid 9 months of the year then. What a useless car then if it can only perform on a bone dry, billiard table smooth race track lol
@@mugenmark When you live in shits ville maybe. I live in SoCal where 95% of the year is sunshine and my 640hp R would embarass a GR Corolla easily. GR motor pops headgaskets around 500bhp and will never make the power an R can. Enjoy the miserable UK weather going slow lol
The fl5 seems to more likely to be the golden child, sleek cars can either go aggressive or clean with aftermarket, don't really get that option with the fk8.
@X XL First off lol im not Mexican,,but i respect them since me and them are human beings not like you racist stupid alien from another world lol,,People can do whatever they want with their cars since they pay for them ,,you probably dont even have a car and you are just a hater 🤣🤣🤣😭
I've had over 10 new Hondas and every one of them had a noticeable break in period where they became quicker after 30-40k on the odometer. I'd be interested to see if this is the case with this car too.
I assure you that's the case, because the FL5 weighs the same. Everyone is freaking out over 60 lbs like that makes a difference. It's 2 cases of water lol. It has more power, turbo with better response, and shorter gearing. If you remember correctly they did the same thing for the Si in 2020 with the shorter final drive, and it was NOTICEABLY quicker than the 2019. FL5 is quicker. Period
Front wheel drives are absolutely great. They encompass the soul of the original boy racers. Perhaps not the sexy option, but the sheer pleasure of how pointed they are, and light and nimble, means they offer a completely unique driving experience. Thumbs up to Honda for not selling out and going AWD. You're right, though, there is no way it should be slower than its predecessor.
great video as always. New R seems more like interior/exterior makeover of the old one. Faster time came from the wider/better tire. I bet the old one will match the time with same tire.
This is the prime example of how competition makes everything better. No matter which hatch you like, you will get a great car. I like the Type R though =)
Such a well put together video. Great analysis and entertaining as always. I love the looks on the new Type R, but they're going to be wildly hard to get--and for now I'm loving my Elantra N. It's almost like you can't go wrong in this segment, and that's a great spot to be in for consumers. (VW needs to fix their buttons though for sure)
Same thing was said about the fk8 there will a fl5 for every one that wants one unless they go with a special color and make limited like the yellow FK8
@@AB-nv7bz My 2019 Type R was fun and handled well, brakes were fantastic, but I was used to cars like AMG’s 63S and ultimately wasn’t fast enough or thrilling/ special enough to keep. I eventually traded it for a pristine low mileage i8 Roadster, 1 of 3,884 in the World 🌎. Much more rare and special 😎👍 10 years from now I should be able to sell it for my purchase price and still use it along the way…
"Our focus shifted to a focused man focused in a focus".
One of the best statements made by thomas
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He's just a focused man now. We will always bring a focused man to drive whatever the hell he gets to drive
in shifting the focus literally
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I love how everyone is drifting towards the conclusion that every single car in this segment is just great. It's gotten to a point where you can legitimately pick your car just by the brand you want to drive the most, and no one can really blame you for it.
True tho the brz and gt86 are in my opinion the only cars I'd leave off the list. Simply because they aren't really faster than these hot hatches but they also aren't as great to live with. But that's my personal opinion
@@championxxlNL: Whichever’s cheapest, has the cheapest repairs and gets the most attention, eh???
@@championxxlNL I would tend to agree but some people really want an affordable RWD sports car, and those cars fill that gap
I'm glad that's the case, considering I can't afford to pick my car as a college student lol. I've only ever owned auction cars that I'm lucky enough to buy for cheap and my dad helps me repair. We picked up a manual 2021 GTI recently and I couldn't be happier
@@championxxlNL Assuming you mean the new GR86 and not the old one, by all accounts they're way more fun than any of these hot hatches though
It's a joy that the Type R, Elantra N, Golf R, and GR Corolla are in direct competition. All offer their own pros and cons and are fantastic cars for their respective companies.
You forgot the RS
I'm happy to own an Elantra N. Hyundai really did a great job bringing itself into a category dominated by the Civic and Golf.
And the Stang is quicker than them all..😂😂😂
@@davothegreat9990ecoboost? Nah they’re all quicker than an ecoboost mustang. A mustang gt on the other is quicker.
@@ctcdarknesscan you explain?im am interested in mustangs
“No way Thomas pulls on me, I’m the only one who pulls on me” ☠️
Are you sure? My bet is they pull on each other.
th-cam.com/video/1WjBF2kHqs0/w-d-xo.html more hype!
I donr get it was that supposed to be sus?
You beat me too it, ha. Pun intended !
Famous last words
Karston's "what" when Thomas suddenly shot past him was immediately preceded by me saying the same thing in the exact same tone of voice.
And his face looked like Saitama on James’s Sweatshirt 😂😂😂
Bro same
First time ive seen his teeth
Seemed like maybe a slow shift on Karston's part.
this is always my reaction whenever Altima passes me doing 104MPH
That rolling race wasn't expected at all. I am just as shocked. Someone at Honda stuffed up big time
Wider rubber means more rolling resistance and more aero drag which weighs in at higher speeds. It also means better launch and better cornering which all plays out. Cars must indeed be very similar with subtle configuration changes leading to measured differences. Not too surprising really.
@@giovannigaleotti2623 Wider tires are also heavier. Rotational mass slows acceleration.
@@WisconsinEric the fl5 is also on 19’s while the fk8 is on heavy ass 20’s so the rotational mass is a mute point
@@2141mario Swap wheels and run em again
@@WisconsinEric that’s gonna benefit the older one more
Throttle house is pulling better numbers than Daddy Doug on this video with half the subscribers. Just goes to show you what constant investing back into your channel does. Hats off to you boys, you’re killing it!
This channel offers more driving and less autism
Doug sucks never liked his reviews
Doug is the master at explaining "quirks and features" in a dorky fashion, yet he's incapable of driving really fast in a track and cannot extract or convey the emotion these cars are meant to evoke from a proficient driver
Doug reviews car for the more average enthusiast, these guys review it for the more track focused enthusiast
You can have both, And it doesn't have to be a pissing contest! But I agree these guys are killing it and the production value keeps going up and up. The more awesome car content on TH-cam the better! Cheers
Dudes really brought back the Focus RS🔥
One of my favorite cars 🥺
Also one of my fav cars
Also also one of my fav cars
i still kinda miss the old design
It’s a real shame Ford buried the RS and ST in North America.
I own a FK8. Its just a great car for fun on the track and at the same time a great daily driver. Even after more than three years of owning this car, i still feel joy the moment i take a seat in it.
Greetings everyone!
I've got a 2020 revised Type R GT and we get 320bhp stock, just ordered a few bits so will be close to 400bhp soon.
I've just put a deposit on a 2018 sonic grey pearl one. Pick it up this week. Used to have an EP3 so buzzing to get a Type R again
@@simonh2011 Good choice. Have fun with your new car!
As an FK8 owner, seeing it go faster in the roll race put a grin on my face :) ALSO, the F1 driver callout over the SP GP was hilarious hahaha
Same… I’ve been thinking about getting the FL5 to go with our FK8… as my 2006 Sti is showing age, but man, it’s so raw in comparison. Hard to decide
@@scottjua forget about the fl5, stay with the FK8🙏
With a $5,000 increase in price over the old type R is a tough buy in my opinion knowing its not a better car.
@@codysmith9813 Good luck finding one at $37,000 🥴 There's a few FK8s at a dealer near me I was interested in. They're $50,000 used 🥲
@@scottjua just get a new WRX, the 2.4L Is great, got the FA20 turbo on my Forester XT, quite superior to the EJ25 to be honest, I imagine the FA24 is even better. A cobb stage 1 tune will also get you up to type R power levels
The Golf R in the roll race shocked Karsten so much that it broke his focus in the Focus.
Throttle house needs to pin your comment.
Por drive
😂
focus drivers be like
how can someone think that a 6yr old hot hatch car can keep up with a brand-new hot hatch car just boggles my mind!! 6yrs of newer tech will almost definitely beat older tech ..
The Golf R with the DSG would be a monster
@@layne4376 Still more fun than 95% of the cars on the road, but I get what you saying.
You mean the DGS that's been recalled 6 times, with several of those times actually making the problems WORSE? No thanks, I don't want a Ford Powershift either.
The Focus RS still hanging in there with the newer models.
And it is a much more attractive design than either the Civic or VW
only where are those 35hp?
@@nielsdebakker3283 getting sucked up by the weight
@@jimrod4539 What weight? It's 17 lbs heavier than the Golf but has 35 more HP and 70 more ft-lbs
Its still a Ford at the end of the day. And we all know Ford sucks hard overall as a brand.
You can see how the bar has been raised in the last 5 years since the Focus RS, which was king of the hill at the time. You two are stellar as always.
As an RS owner I'm very curious how much this was car and how much is was driver
No, Honda type r has always been king..
Civic typeR 2023 kill everyone
@@zajawamotocykle9256 everyone? u still got Audi and BMW that cant even be touched by honda unless you spend 10k on engine mods. and even the Toyota Supra
@@cbvss bmw is for noob. Small money. Small balls
I love that you guys mention things nobody else does. Talking about the tire differences in track tests is crucial. Many others overlook it.
I love how even after 4 years, they still make the Focus RS relevant and part of the comparison for performance hatches
This is assuming you can find one that hasn't blown up.
Isn't it because they still sell them in Europe?
@Jacob Green - I know right?! Absolute bs. I haven’t seen an RS here in the states for over two years; but, I just got back from France and I saw a few of them.
@Hyper #8 - Yep; I just got back from France and I saw a bunch of them!! My face lit up, I was like wow!!!
@@ralphlazio505 I see an RS a couple times a week here in ohio
I know its not a "new" car but can we please just get a lap time of the Focus RS?! I am beyond curious how it stacks up in a real world scenario against its competitors.
I second that
It deserves a lap time. I love mine.
This!
@@O2TG i have the mk8 fiesta st, wish these guys got to drive it
@@O2TG they are so fast
Now imagine the FK8 in the same wheel and tire specs as the FL5? :O
Extra rotating mass might actually slow it down a little. I would be interested in seeing that tested.
@@timetheridge3791 6lbs isn't a big deal .
@@timetheridge3791 fk8 wheel possibly heavier, and quality inferior
@@Spiritcr1jsher extra 6lb in terms of unsprung weight for the suspension is a lot lol, putting more width tires mean more weight and suspension re-work
Just when you think that this channel has reached peak production levels, you guys pull something like this off. Unbelievable, you guys are absolute legends, well done!
The best part of these videos is no matter what happens, everyone wins - all of these cars are amazing and you can't really go wrong with them. Great stuff TH team.
Sounds like something a Focus RS owner would say
@@NormEatsRice I drive an RS3…lol. Focus RS is pretty sick though
Great video as always. One of my favorite channels to watch. Swap wheels on the new Type R and the old one and see what the track difference will be. Next episode on Extra Throttle House
FL5 has a 3.842 final drive vs 4.111 in FK8 - so I think that would explain why it's slower.
Great review!
Great point. I'd be curious if there is any wheel weight too. Optional lighter option on honda's website(5.29 lbs lighter than stock) automobiles.honda.com/-/media/Honda-Automobiles/Vehicles/2023/Civic-Type-R/BAP-Modals/BAP-Modals/02-Wheels/MY23-Civic-Type-R-BAP-modal-Alloy-Wheel-1x.jpg
meanwhile my 22 WRX has 4.44 lol. It loves gas
Slower stock but it's going to be way faster with big turbo and FBO for the same reason.
I think the diff easily boils down to the new R having 19s/Pilot Sports vs the FK8 with 20s/Contis.
FL5 tyres is smaller
Damn, new Type-R statistically as fast as an M2 comp? That is a massive accomplishment.
People will argue it's going to vary by track, day, etc. BUT the fact that it's even close is a crazy accomplishment by Honda.
Potentially as fast, but if the Golf was a second quicker on this day than previously, the M2 could also be a second quicker in these conditions. Either way, the Civic is impressively fast, but while it may match the M2 in lap times, it sadly isn't anywhere near it for fun. Sadly because I so badly wanted Honda to stop their lap time obsession and make fun cars again, but alas no...
@@takeit1229 more a bmw fault. The m2 is too big and heavy
It's a tight track too.
@@GetOffMyLog wow do you consider that tight? It's at least twice as wide as an average mountain road here. Maybe that's why these hot hatches are not that fast
I had to replay "Our focus shifted to a focused man focused in a focus" a few times to truly understand the poetry that was unravelling in my ears.
Seeing the old RS come back and show the new kids its still got it just made me happy ngl.
@@That1lowaccord It did yeah, but it did respectably well
@@__-fm5qv it was the most powerful car in this video
@@silimarina. Officially yes, but the Golf R is massively under-rated power wise, its true power as been found to be much closer to 350 so very similar to the Focus.
@@silimarina. hope you realize the Golf R actually has similar power, the factory numbers are understated.
@@That1lowaccord so what? It's a 5 year old car, you're kidding yoursel if you expected anything else. The fact that it _barely_ lost is impressive, especially since it's not known for being the fastest in a straight line.
Please release a T -shirt quoting James, "I'm the only one who pulls on me!" 😂🤣😅
I think we need a “Huge Wang” T-shirt with a pic of James pointing at a spoiler wing. 1:52
I’ll buy that too! Put a FK8 on it for me please. CW😊
If Ford had kept making and improving the Focus RS, I have no doubts that it would shame the Civic and Golf in launch and rolling drags. Such a shame to see that legendary car falling by the wayside. On the other hand, I really like the new Civic! Styling and performance are spot-on.
Frs
They would have to ditch the 2.3L turbo with a improved engine which costs $$$. The ford Focus RS engine was recycled by the Mazda speed 3 & 5 which had bad reliability.
😂 you realize VW has the best dct around right. Shame whom?? , the Ford lost every single race lol
Ford Hocus Pocus the garbage Focus the car no one likes.
@@RDriver2.0 It's literally the oldest car there and cheapest, it's actually impressive how it kept up with those modern cars and even pulled on launch. DCT is good and all but the Focus hung still, so yea, it's a shame really.
I follow basically every big car TH-camr and as of this moment you guys are crushing everyone!🎉🎉 You guys give me major Topgear torch carrying vibes!!
Better than top gear in everyway, fam. Rose tinted glasses is a helluva thing
They could easily have their own show on a network. Yes they play with stupid high ends cars that the people who can afford them probably don’t have the time to watch the show, I’m pretty confident in that lol but they are so good about testing and reviewing your modern day cars or that $30k-$50k sports car where is the typical range people are shopping for the best car for the value
As I suspected, the change in final drive, which improves mpg, makes the new one slower in a straight line
Excellent. Usable on the streets for 99 percent of us
Final Drive is what people don't realize makes the difference. If it has enough in the torque curve to pull the gears it'll have a wave you feel. If not, it does that... I have the highway gear in my truck; 3.55 ratio. 70 mph at 2,000rpm but with that you get 1-2 shift at 35mph and the 2-3 at 70.. with 4 & 5 being overdrive. So I run OD off to avoid it shifting too much in the city, negating the "milage gains" though which is pointless because it has enough torque to leave in 2nd and 4/5 doesn't shift until 40-50 with lockup around 52mph. So old auto or new Manual, gearing matters
Not that simple to tell - when the overall tyre diameter is a different size, not to mention there is slightly different power. Wasn't going to know until the test.
So it all comes down to gear ratios??
I love my FK8. That being said though slower or not I still want an FL5! I love the new design
Never been a car guy but watching you two review cars is making me one
Thank you both for not only providing useful information, and driving impressions, but also entertainment. Kudos guys!
One thing I recall when C&D long term tested the accord 2.0t, it gained almost 5mph in the 1/4mile after 40,000 miles, maybe this engine is experiencing the same thing after more break-in
I was thinking the same thing, it seems as though on turbo cars after 30000 miles they gain speed. This is common among other platforms as well.
Yeah I'm kind of surprised car reviewers don't know this. It's been a thing since the beginning of the car.
By that time there will be no type r with oem tune and probably a new model already😂
It is such a pity that the RS is done... What a great car!
Stock it's actually quite slow feeling, even a standard stage 1 map with just an Intake really makes the car feel much different.
Wait for new RS to come.
if only it didnt blow up trannys and diffs like a kid in a candy store
@@tomislavzalud4578 but ford isn’t making cars anymore besides the mustang
@@BlackBruceLeeTheGreatDekuTree They do, just not in North America
Glad we weren't the only ones getting thrown about in the new Civic Type R 😅
Shame the Focus RS didn't have a go on the new surface track. Would have been interesting to see how a 5-6 year old car stacks up to the new hot hatches
The focused man in the focus, his facial expressions were amazing you could tell what he was thinking the entire time, and when he actually spoke “what” I was cracking up.
I think Karston deserves to be in the vids a lil longer than just a couple drag races
From an Elantra N owner, it felt great just to be included in this debate!
Elantra N owner here as well and I totally agree ! Was watching this with my wife who knows nothing about cars and she's finally starting to understand how special the EN is.
Elantra N look up there a vid with a Elantra with just tune and tires doing 11s in the 1/4 thats crazy fast for a stock care with such simple mods , also i hace both the fk8 and EN and i can say these cars are veeery similar
@@opadilla123as an EN owner who’s allowed multiple FK8 and FL5 owners drive my DCT N they’re all blown away at the fact it costs less than the FK8 and FL5 and is just as quick if not slightly quicker and has all the things that made the FK8 special besides the heritage but that comes with time. Let’s hope Hyundai and Honda continue to push one another to keep making the best cars in this segment.
With all the dealer mark ups the gr Corolla and CTR are getting the gr86 looks like a bargain.
A used CTR 10 like a bargain compared to the GR86. So do the N cars.
Luckily i found a Gr Corolla only 5k mark up. Others are 10k and 15k mark ups
This was such a fun episode. Almost felt like a throwback to older days of racing. Thanks guys for delivering yet again!
Excellent, excellent, excellent video. I love how you guys create content about the sort of scenarios and comparisons that talk about with my mates in the pub. If the GR Corolla were there, it would have been 100% perfect.
Yeah, it confirms all my fears for the FL5. When its time to get a Type R, it’ll be an FK8. They look better to me too.
I still like the FK2 a lot too! I prefer the smaller overall dimensions of the 9th gen Civic hatch and the magic seat layout is useful. Unfortunately the FK2 Type R was never sold in Australia.
If you like ricers, and under aged, then of course...FK8 will work. Not for grown ups.
@@gw4886 ya it’s horrific
@@gw4886 disagree. New CTR looks boring.. and awkward
@@TassieLorenzo I’m currently driving a 9th gen si so I too am disappointed that the FK2 was only sold in japan.
I'm super glad I didn't wait for the new Type-R. I actually really like the busy, overengineeres look of the previous one but I do have to say I like the new interior more. Not that I have anything to complain about with the previous one but this is a lot cleaner and more sorted out looking. Oh well, can't have everything. Great video guys
exact same feeling, i love how in your face and boy racer the previous gen looks. the new gen just look like a civic sport with a wing and a badge
Good luck on finding one for msrp
You wasn’t getting it anyway
@@miriamvivo4279 I bought the FK8 in late 2020 and got it delivered in May 21 at MSRP. There were no huge markups in my region, unlike the US or elsewhere because around Europe this actually is not a popular car that ppl. actually buy as its deemed unreasonable. Had the FN2 Type R before and traded it in. Happy (again) ever since.
Love the “GlAd, I dIdnT wAiT foR thE nEw TyPe-R” comment
Quit fronting like you was finna get one
Thomas, I'm super impressed with your ability to launch with the manual. And yes, as pointed out if we were comparing the fastest version of each car the DSG would make a big different. Especially in the drag races. Can you pretty please put a DSG Golf R on your track to get a time? You can borrow mine :-)
Great content!
With front drive, you have to roll in the power. 1/2 clutch it until the tires bite and then drop the hammer. The hard drop after burning some clutch while finessing the traction makes for a great take-off. Unlike RWD which need the hard drop to put weigh on the rear wheels. If your launching like a RWD, you're doing all wrong.
Yes as an Elantra N owner, I get so frustrated when they do comparisons with the manual..... The DCT and the DSG are both so much faster than their manual counterparts.....
Because enthusiasts don't want an auto, who cares that an automatic is faster @@LordHolley ?
@@JoshuaTootell “only real enthusiasts drive manual” 🤓
@@LordHolley it's comparing 🍎 to 🍎. Hence the manual vs manual comparisons which only makes sense. They even mention it in the video.
i’ve seen other reviews show how to turn off piped in noise while staying in type r mode and showed being able to customize gauge cluster to have whatever gauge at whatever driving setting in individual mode amongst many other great customizations. just thought i would throw that out there
Thank you so much for bringing back the Focus RS, you have grown so much since then and I’m so happy to see it up against the new competition. Might be from 2016 but still throws punches in its segment.
Now sad that it couldn’t make hot laps 😔
Ditto and ditto
Thanks for helping convince me I need a VW golf R! Gave my '13 GTi to my 16 yr old, bought a used '16 A5, and will upgrade to a golf R shortly. Civic is improved but still looks like a tuner for a 25 yr old and I like my heated/cooled seats and awd
Consider a late 17-18 RS I have a late 17 in blue that’s stage 2 and love it never gets old. The heated steering wheel comes in nice in the winter too 🫡
Brilliant work boys! So good that you compared the 2 Type R's!! No other channel like it.
Sergio: "Can I have my place again?"
Max: "No"
Hahahahaha
Nice video, I'd like to change my 00's Civic for this new one!
Best regards for Brasil 🇧🇷
Focus RS will forever be my favourite hatchback such a lovely car😍
Ngl this type r is looking good. Not ready for the dealership markups though.
thought about getting into one after selling my current car but dealer mark ups around me are $10k lol ridiculous
TH knocks it out the park every week 🔥
265 ps4s tires vs old 245 continentals, I'm not surprised in the slightest it was faster on the track. That's a huge tire and grip difference.
Yeah, I feel like that could account for literally all of the time difference to be honest. Would love to see this done again but with a set of FL5 wheels shoved on the FK8. Car wouldn't be set up for them but I wouldn't be surprised if it was still within a couple of tenths then.
Also, 265s are insane on a hot hatch. A new RWD M4 Comp only has 255 rear tyres but that has 510hp and weighs more than most towns. Those tyres and the relatively poor economy (I'm assuming not much improved since the FK8) mean the FL5 has comparable running costs to some fairly serious sports cars that it can't compete with as a driving experience- a 991 Carrera would cost the same to buy and run, at least here in the UK. In terms of driving pleasure, that's really not a comparison the FL5 wants to be part of...
@Apothecary Terry
The new M4 has 275s in the front and 285s out back for both wheel sizes
@@HotHatchHero Interesting, you're correct, tyre companies clearly haven't quite got their websites sorted for that, I checked 2 registrations against 2 tyre companies thinking that would be accurate info! Either way, 265s on the FL5 is still insane for a hot hatch.
This was a great comparison! Interesting how the older one pulls on a roll. The Manual R did well and that was nice to see.
They are both Manuals
The tiny reference to this weekends F1 drama made my day!
But then again so did this video, thank you to the whole TH-Team!
Where was that?
@@CaseyCollier it was at the moment they were talking about Thomas's time with checo in the US, popped up for a quick second right above their heads :)
@@Sliptizz
Ah... I must have just missed the reference. Thanks.
Do an Elantra N DCT around the track and see if it’s any better than 114.60. Need more KDM cars on the list
It’s not kdm
@@ihat3friday832 You want to say EDM?
Opening scene had me laughing out loud!! 😂
You guys aren’t just great car reviewers you’re also entertaining as hell! 👍🏻
Just in time! I see other channels' type R vids but I choose this one first!
Same
Same
IM GLAD I WATCHED THIS, JUST AS I EXPECTED LOL. I LOOOOVE MY 21 FK8 BOOST BLUE EVEN MORE !!! 💙💙💙
This is the most interesting car segment in the auto industry. Fast, fun practical cars and best of all, they are not most boring SUV's. Great review as always!!
Great review guys! But...if you would like to make it much more interesting, you can put the wheels and tires of the FL5 on the FK8 and test it's Lap time again, as the wheels uses the same offset, it can be done! My personal thoughts and guess are that the FK8 will do the same Lap time when put on the same wheels and tires.
agreed
absofuckinlutely👍💪
personally i think when Honda decided to make fk8 the fwd king they did everything to make sure its as balanced as possible, if its as easy as wheel swap to make the old one faster then you are basically calling out engineers to be incompetent
@@uvicjackson You’d be surprised….
Also tires CAN make all the difference.
@tancock tires i agree, but wheels can be tricky. 19s might be better on 1 car but worse on the other, also with the older specially edition it came with cup 2s, lighter wheels. something they already did a test before. yet it wasn't m2 comp level kind of track time
LOVE the new direction for the intro, feels even more like old top gear
Expression of THomas at 4:35 while shifting from 3rd to 4th.. priceless. Made my day..
Thats the expression of a man staring at eminent loss.🤣🤣
Yup, that about puts the nail in the coffin for me on the new type R, no way on the $60k-$65k plus entry point, looking how it did vs previous gen. Insane
I know there's a lot of internet hate for the looks of the previous gen but I honestly don't mind it. I would go with the older style myself....if I was in the market lol. Once I pay off my Challenger I might look in to seeing what I can get for it and my hoopty Corolla and maybe combine to the 2 cars in to one with a Type-R. You're definitely right about the price though, ouch, that's a lot of money. Hopefully some of that is due to inflated prices at the moment because that's a bummer for sure.
@@ianmastrangelo2427 if you need a banks help to buy a car you can't afford it...
@@michaelfried3123 No doubt, I'm definitely glad I'm not a high end SUV kind of guy lol.
type R are dragsters now? like that matters.
For that much money should just go get the Tesla Model 3 Performance, it's faster than all of these cars and used no gas.
These videos always fall in the "wholesome" category for me. Great stuff guys!
Until he was giving the dynamics and said “we have a big wang”.
Great comparison video, especially between the CTR FK8 and FL5. Nice to see some of the improvements Honda's made, but as an FK8 owner I'm very happy I got my 2021 edition. Perrin motor mount upgrade is a must-do for the FK8; wheel hop is pretty much eliminated.
I'm impressed at how well the focus did, out of all the cars there that would be my choice.
Blown head gasket has entered the chat 😆
What an absolute treat! I recently hooked up with your channel and was binging the drag races. I watched Type R vs Corolla 23 vs Elantra N yesterday and was dying to watch the 2023 Type R although I liked the old Type R. I'm pretty glad that the old one could beat the newer one in both the drag and roll race.
"Please make sure there is no background noise, then try again" 😆 Great review and tremendous driving as always boys, keep up the wonderful work & stay safe!
Would love to see someone doing a Track test with FK8 and FL5 using the same tyres and size, that would be very interesting and i have a feeling the results might be the same as the roll race.
Done
Me watching Type R's race while I drive a mildly sporty sedan 🥲
Me watching while I am 4 years shy of being able to drive
Me watching while driving a big diesel truck.
Me watching while im owning a ctr
Hey guys, maybe don’t watch tv while driving cars. 🤷🏼♂️
Me watching it sitting in my Diesel Hatch
I actually love the Type R FL5 in so many ways. It's a beautiful car. Great video.
The old Type R WALKS the 2023 Civic Type R. It has to be under rated. No way its 9hp less lol.
It's a final drive gearing change they did starting 2020 Si it lauches better but in a straight line like any heavier gearing it's slower.
Could be since it was a press car and the japanese are known for funny business with press cars. Civic type R is doing 4.9-5.3 compared to the 4.4-4.7 of the first press cars.
The previous type R looks better than the new one IMO.
@@inthebagsolutions yeah, i agree
Still want a Focus RS
Facts, love that car spiritually
I think they over rated the HP
I don’t, Ford doesn’t care to sell them here, so I don’t care to buy one!😠
@@johnbaird8805 no one cares what you think
@@phillipeyb6164 Except for you apparently! 😆
The fl5's wing has more than 3x the downforce of the fk8's, excited to see more of it on a larger track. anyways, thanks for always making amazing vids guys, always entertaining.
The Focus RS was sooo ahead of it's time!
Honestly,I would love to see a tyre match for the FK8.
At 11:18 "I grinded second gear, the legend lives on". As a Civic SI driver, I cant relate 🤣
Apparently the voice command system in the new one is improved as well. 😂
However, I'm going for the GR Corolla. It's so unique, tons of character, and I love how it's AWD system works plus the special engine. I love its small size too. Icing on the cake are the creature comforts like a heated steering wheel and excellent ride handling balance. The Type R is a phenomenal choice and I don't blame those going for the Golf R, but the controls in the VW are a deal breaker for me.
Bad thing on that gr is the engine its tiny good only for those that don’t tune this little engine will need better internals to get respectable power it’s already proven that it will start breaking valve seats and who nose what else once its tuned
@@opadilla123 wouldn't be tuning it anyway. I'm just saying the GR is a special car. Not that the new Type R isn't.
First and foremost the Fk8 also has shift lights. (the European anyway). If the Fk8 also had pilot sport tyres, times would have been the same with the Fl5. So I'll stick with my Fk8 anyway. I'm glad you did this test !!!
US model does as well. You can turn the tachometer off and have the shift lights as your primary gauge, too. 👍
Its also not like anyone is gonna replace a few year old car for the same thing with slightly faster 1/4 mile times anyways. Especially a Civic
I do like the banter between these two. Far better than most youtube channels
26:30
Wow that suspensions setting difference...I'd take golf r any days
Awesome show. My only input is I wish you guys put up the speeds for each car in the drag races. Just nice to see being a car fan
love the reveal of †he "ok" one punch man shirt when james said ok
The older Type R is already a legend and even more so after this video! And dare I say, it looks better from the outside for my taste (it's much more futuristic, even though it is older, but it looks unreal in flesh on the road, like nothing else really, like an alien car literally) and from the inside - it's above and beyond me how anyone can like an interior with stuck on like a tablet infotainment screen (the only nicely done example is in the new Mazda 3 IMO) and last, but not least - it is even faster in a straight line!!! What a car...
Agreed 👍
Type R is not build for straight line.
@@marinosmichel K20 Platform is *recognised for its Trap Speed*
Since 2001 Most powerful Naturally Aspirated engine (vtec slaying the opposition).
Unlike the Germans the Japanese are *Real Engineers* (valve tec) with Manual transmission for a Real Driving Experience
@@statementleaver8095 I don't know why you are answering this to me.
@@marinosmichel You claim NOT BUILT FOR SPEED🧐🧐
NO HONDA IS LIMITED TO 155MPH SINCE 2015 =170MPH (TURBO PLATFORM)
2001-2015 NATURALLY ASPIRATED VTEC NEARLY 30MPH FASTER THAN ANY OTHER MANUFACTURER.
VW WAS 135MPH UNTIL THE R WAS RELEASED.👍
I was laughing my ass off when the FK8 was pulling on the FL5... lets go 10th gen!!!😂😂😂
@X XL Nahhhh just admit the fk8 is faster in a straight line🤣
@X XL Track times are correct in this video! The fl5 won on the track! That straight line race proved you wrong though didn’t it? Keep being a dumba$$🤪
@X XL Put the same tires on both and I would have to see it to believe you.
Owned a Focus RS here in the uk from new in 2017 and it was £32k. The new CTR is £52k with options. I seriously doubt it’s £20k better! And only seems to be quick on a dry race track and not your typical greasy and damp British road. I sold my RS to buy the GR Yaris which is just as quick as the RS but more usable due to it’s smaller dimensions and lighter weight. I’m looking forward to coming across a CTR on a damp day and leaving them behind in a trail of wet leaves in my wake ;)
That’s kind of unfair, if the focus RS was still being made it would be around the same price, but you’re right it’s not worth the price
@@GhettoGatesss if the RS was still being made or there was a mk4 Focus RS it may well be the same price but will also be offering AWD and substantially more power. Probably hybrid boost in addition as that was the rumour before it was shelved so you’re looking at 400+ bhp which makes the Civic Type R look even more overpriced. All this is moot and irrelevant though as there aren’t any plans for a Focus RS replacement.
UK roads are shit
Type R owner wouldn't waste time driving shit roads in the rain.
@@TheFK8Life that’s a solid 9 months of the year then. What a useless car then if it can only perform on a bone dry, billiard table smooth race track lol
@@mugenmark When you live in shits ville maybe. I live in SoCal where 95% of the year is sunshine and my 640hp R would embarass a GR Corolla easily. GR motor pops headgaskets around 500bhp and will never make the power an R can. Enjoy the miserable UK weather going slow lol
James with the One Punch Man crewneck was highly unexpected haha
the fk8 will be legendary 20 years from now
The best Type r no matter what anyone says
The fl5 seems to more likely to be the golden child, sleek cars can either go aggressive or clean with aftermarket, don't really get that option with the fk8.
@X XL First off lol im not Mexican,,but i respect them since me and them are human beings not like you racist stupid alien from another world lol,,People can do whatever they want with their cars since they pay for them ,,you probably dont even have a car and you are just a hater 🤣🤣🤣😭
I wish you guys could get a sponsor to re-pave your track, I wonder what the lap time differences would be on fresh tarmac.
Really digging the new Type R subtle styling
I've had over 10 new Hondas and every one of them had a noticeable break in period where they became quicker after 30-40k on the odometer. I'd be interested to see if this is the case with this car too.
I assure you that's the case, because the FL5 weighs the same. Everyone is freaking out over 60 lbs like that makes a difference. It's 2 cases of water lol. It has more power, turbo with better response, and shorter gearing. If you remember correctly they did the same thing for the Si in 2020 with the shorter final drive, and it was NOTICEABLY quicker than the 2019. FL5 is quicker. Period
Front wheel drives are absolutely great. They encompass the soul of the original boy racers. Perhaps not the sexy option, but the sheer pleasure of how pointed they are, and light and nimble, means they offer a completely unique driving experience. Thumbs up to Honda for not selling out and going AWD. You're right, though, there is no way it should be slower than its predecessor.
Nah FWD sucks. Rear wheel drive is superior.
@@HULK-HOGAN1 Insightful contribution my man.
Both have advantages, but what would be really nice if an option for either existed
I think Thomas hit the rev limiter on every shift in that first Drag race LOL
great video as always.
New R seems more like interior/exterior makeover of the old one.
Faster time came from the wider/better tire. I bet the old one will match the time with same tire.
This is the prime example of how competition makes everything better. No matter which hatch you like, you will get a great car. I like the Type R though =)
Such a well put together video. Great analysis and entertaining as always. I love the looks on the new Type R, but they're going to be wildly hard to get--and for now I'm loving my Elantra N. It's almost like you can't go wrong in this segment, and that's a great spot to be in for consumers. (VW needs to fix their buttons though for sure)
You mean you can tolerate the look. There's nothing to love.
@@operationgetthugs232 Nope I actually love the way the new Type R looks. Got my own opinions brother. I like what I like.
Same thing was said about the fk8 there will a fl5 for every one that wants one unless they go with a special color and make limited like the yellow FK8
Thank you for brining the RS! Love see it still be relevant. Not at all because I have one lol.
Agreed 😆
U have a wut? 👊🏼👊🏼
I can't wait to see the GR Corolla have another go around the track in the dry, and if they can get their hands on the track spec Morizo edition too.
As a former 2019 Type R owner, I can say the OLDER remains BETTER 🎯 just apply Cup 2 R’s 👀
agree 💯
Why don’t you own it anymore?
@@AB-nv7bz My 2019 Type R was fun and handled well, brakes were fantastic, but I was used to cars like AMG’s 63S and ultimately wasn’t fast enough or thrilling/ special enough to keep. I eventually traded it for a pristine low mileage i8 Roadster, 1 of 3,884 in the World 🌎. Much more rare and special 😎👍 10 years from now I should be able to sell it for my purchase price and still use it along the way…
@@EmetYAHU good luck with that