Thank you for watching! Be sure to read the story for more information, technical details, and video each car's run: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a45765297/0-150-0-mph-speed-test-2023/ Wondering why your favorite car wasn't included? Chances are we invited it and it wasn't available. We tried!
Your RS time to 150mph is very off beam, something very wrong there e.g. 19s, my 991.2 GT3 RS does it in just over 16. Should have had the 991 GT2 RS on as well, 0-150mph in about 12s.
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@@lmc333 The Civic, Hyundai and the Kia. I would think that the Hyundai and Kia would be electronically limited to a lower speed and the Civic would struggle to reach 150 mph since it’s not designed for high speed but more for road courses with shorter gearing.
The Dark Horse out-braking the Porsche 911 Turbo S and Z06 shows that Ford was kinda serious about this $60,000 machine... Impressive. The GTD *might* be something to pay attention to.
@@B__L If GM chooses to strip all of the daily convenience technology out of the C8 Corvette to lighten the car up by a lot, throw a much bigger wing on the back, with more down force design in the front and on the side, put all the race technology in there, etc. It'd be faster than the gt3rs on the track, no problem. GM wanted to give people a car that they can comfortably daily drive on the street, with convenience, or go cross country and then take it to the track for fun. This is not the same mindset Porsche had for the gt3rs. It's comparing apples to oranges. Don't do that. This is my point.
@@spencer927 It would maybe reduce its time by 0.5 seconds MAX so it doesn't matter really. Wasn't a conclusive test but a 3 second+ difference can't be made back with stuff like slightly downhill headwind etc.
@@ej2civicb736 at 200mph the aerodynamic braking force decelerates a F1 car without touching the brake pedal at higar rate than any of these cars slamming on the brakes.
Jonathan Palmer came to talk where I worked. He used to test the F1 McLarens of Senna and Prost. He said under hard braking he used to get tiny drops of moisture on the inside of his race helmet visor. It was negative G pulling moisture from his eye balls.
Wow! Those graphics, shots of the original test print brings back memories!! Probably read it 150 times as a kid. And I still have the issue in hand - I’ve never thrown one away.
There are so many variables that you can't compare 2 different tests even a couple days apart let alone in a different location, elevation, etc. The Lingenfelter was quick but by no means would it keep up with a C8 Z06. I've had the honor of driving both for extended periods- I have a neighbor with a spending problem. The problem is he can't outspend his bank account!
Its not that hard to imagine at all. Could take a detuned nascar v8 from the 90's and have a faster car. Just look how well 90's civics do at all racing events despite small displacement.
@@leeboo2521 as it is a good car, 170k is really steep for a corvette lmao. thats 911 gts/turbo money, I couldnt bring myself to spend that on a corvette
@@ricksmith3045 Who cares? That's like comparing a Supermarine Spitfire to the first generation fighter jets. Any aviation enthusiast would take a Spitfire anyday, as any automobile enthusiast would take a Porsche over a tesla.
@@ruthnoya8424 except that isn't correct its more like comparing an f-15 to a mig 25 both came from the same era but very different results, and any equestrian enthusiasts would take a horse over Porsche. because it ACTUALLY has a soul
Would be great to see a graphic of all the cars racing side by side for a way to visualize these differences, but since the data is all there I might just make one for myself. Good stuff
Corvette Z06 truly a supercar without the excessive cost. 114k vs 223k gt3 RS vs 216k Turbo S 911. Absolute value for money for ultimate performance levels.
Yep even optioned out it’s about $150k vs $285k vs $265k. Sorry but I can’t see the 120 grand increase in performance for the turbo s or 135 for the RS. At that point I can get another badass daily like the ct5 bw, m5 comp, e63s, redeye charger, etc…with a couple grand left over for some minor bolt ons. This isn’t even factoring in markup. I’ve seen the z06 on sale for 250-300 and the rs for 450-600k 😳
True price wise but, the C8 ZO6, GT3 RS and Turbo S are in different lanes. We own both the C8 ZO6 and Turbo S and the difference on track is staggering. I'm ok with the difference on track because the Turbo S was purchased to handle daily, and cross-country travels through all types of weather without a hiccup. Our C8 ZO6 and C7 ZO6 handle track and daily street duty with the occasional long-distance travel. I don't own but have driven the GT3 not RS version on track and street. On track the vehicle is outstanding. On the street not so much.
Sure money wise it’s a good price point for what you’re getting. But my guess is you’ve never been in one, they ride rough as can be, as they should be in a track spec car. But truthfully I’ll just buy a proper track car for that price and runs laps around it. Cool car but useless at everything. Want a road car? Buy one. Want a track car. Buy one. Crossover into both is a compromise in each area. Daily I’d take a Turbo S. track car for that money a cup car or maybe an open wheel alll will absolutely completely destroy that vette. So potato potato. It’s the things people don’t think about or have actually done. Your response is common. So I know you’ve never been in a real track car or spent much time on an actual race track. Not being a dick but it’s fact for most people out there.
The Corvette looks like a Walmart supercar. They were late to the mid-engine game and the design already looked dated when it was new. Let's not forget that they had to reverse engineer a Ferrari 458 motor to develop their flat plane crank V8. Don't even get me started on the Z06 interior. The Porsche is timeless and built to the highest quality.
That Bentley Continental is crazy, I know it has a lot of horsepower but it never appeared as if it would have those kinds of performance capabilities. Truly magnificent combination of luxury and performance
Can't argue w/the Turbo S! Great in straight line, good on the track, as usable a backseat as you'll find in a supercar, doesn't look obnoxious like the GT3 RS, & the AWD makes it usable in any whether. 2nd I'd go w/the C8 Z06 ❤
Well stated. Traded from 992 S to Turbo S. The Turbo serves as our daily and long country travels. The ZO6 (C8) shares track duty with the ZO6 (C7) version. The GT3 RS is just too hard core for me in MHO. The C8 ZO6 without a doubt is the Swiss Army knife of sport cars. Track, daily and country travelling. Still for everyday usability it stands behind our Turbo S.
@chiragnegi6276 🤣 IDK 🤷🏿♂️ what it is about the TurboS (particularly this 992 generation) that makes ppl real nitpicky about it. W/the lightweight package it does a 9sec 1/2mile... Throw Cup2 or Cup2Rs & you'd easily have a Sub 7min Nurburgring Time, does 0-60 in 2.4secs repeatedly, reliable AF, is a jack of all trades... Yet, "It's a Grand Tourer"... "It's a Sports Car"... while simultaneously matching or beating out other SuperCars of the times over the years from 997, 991, 992 generations😂 The M2 SC is a Sports Car, The GT3 Touring is a Sports Cars, The AMG GTS is a Sports Cars, The C8 Stingray is a Sports Car... a TurboS is in a completely different league. But hey, to each their own 👍
The current M5 competition should have been invited. I have a '20 and the car is an absolute missile, it also brakes like you've thrown two or three anchors out the back.
There are many cars they could have included. But I'm guessing they couldn't find any suppliers (or private individuals) willing to send them such cars : BMW. Lamborghini. Audi. Ferrari. AMG. Koenigsegg. McLaren. The list goes on.
@@chillout1109agree. But the list was good enough for me. I didn’t need to see any lambo, or Ferrari or Nissan or BMWs. They wouldn’t have made a difference compared to the Porsche lol. Let’s just be honest. Oops did i forget Mclaren?😂
The GT3 Rs has a time of 6:49.32 on Nürburgring, that's the third time for sport cars. Z06 is way back with 7:13.90. Ofcourse the driver is extremely important at that level.
@@frankgustafson8045 Yeah, potentially less fuss over the long run for the average owner. The Coyote can take plenty of boost if that's what an owner wants, too.
@@exothermal.sprocket Fanboys gush over the Porsches as if they’re made for people like us 🤣 I like how American brands actually price their vehicles so that we have an actual chance in owning them, new or used
Never loved the C8's interior, but that Z06 revving to 8600 rpm is pretty damn special. If money were no object it'd go towards a Turbo S, that car is a masterpiece.
@@maximborodyuk3773 i guess respecting the vacuum cleaner for its performance and not its sound, is also why EVs are beating the entire field as well? because a subjective thing such as noise is what matters most in performance test, right?
@@pasmas3217 beating in what? you know that this test is biased by default towards launc and acceleration? As soon as the turn come, EV's are gone. And I highly doubt that you would launch your car constantly, which is basically the main and only thing in EV and TurboS. Otherwise you wouldn't use 650hp on a street, and you could have way more fun in a proper interesting cars. Calling faceless silent boring overpowered road car masterpiece is not even extension, Idk what it is.
We own both and the interior IMHO is fantastic. Our Turbo S shares daily duties with the ZO6. Long distance travels belong to the Turbo S. It is that comfortable.
Went to a drag day at a local track and was unfortunate enough to get put up against a 911 Turbo S, and omg that thing was insanely fast. It looked like I was going half throttle against it.
Absolutely blown away by the sheer diversity and performance of the cars in this test! It's a golden era for car enthusiasts. From the raw power of the Lucid's insane speed to the surprising agility of the Bentley Continental, each car brings something unique to the table. But here's a thought - with the rise of EVs and their impressive performance metrics, do you think traditional supercars are facing serious competition? #CarLoversDebate 🏎⚡
people often compare electric cars vs other electric cars. For now, it should be comparing electric cars to their gas equivalents. "for this much money, what does the EV give and what does the gas do?" I would say we are *just* reaching that point. as EV's start to overtake gas cars in value for performance, they will continuously grow as the desire for growling V8's fades with the newer generation.
There is much logic to your statement however, we have people that purchase vehicles for a great amount of money for optics vice performance. There is no doubt a Lucid or Tesla can beat most supercars however, I just want a Ferrari sitting in my garage mentality is still at play.
EV's have a long ways to go to be considered true performance cars because of their weight. They have incredible acceleration but thats about it. Handling and braking is garbage compared to other performance sedans like the blackwing or m5. Shave 1,000 lbs off them and give them 6 piston caliper brakes and I'll be interested. Until then I'll just stick with my 18 CTS-v.
@@V3Brandon for most EVs I totally agree. There are plenty of promising (and plenty of not promising) battery chemistries and manufacturing techniques that promise to bring the weight down. Will have to wait and see.
Good stuff. This is what I love to see. Real-world testing with real-world numbers, comparing cars to each other and not some perfect-conditions number on the internet.
@@exothermal.sprocket All of that is boring. Consistent and reliable and decent priced, do you hear yourself? 911s have no personality. They are performance cars for people that get their opinions from others.
@@sleep_sounds But then you might complain if the 911 broke down, didn't make good passes but went into limp mode, wasn't as quick in the top end, and brakes lit on fire?
@@exothermal.sprocket You are trying to argue what a car isn't and using a complaint I didn't make. That's not an argument. Who are you even talking to? At the end of the day I stand by the statement Porsche 911s are performance cars for people that get their opinions from others.
I wonder how the Shelby GT500, Camaro ZL1, Challenger SRT Demon, Porsche Taycan, Corvette E-Ray, Viper ACR, and Porsche GT2RS would have come out on this test.
@CarlosLago is one of the best hosts I have ever seen in C&D. His technical knowledge, driving skills and extraordinary charisma makes for a great package. He should be the NatGeo poster boy for C&D. Cheers!!
The 911 Turbo S is just the best car ever made. Edit: also dang I’m glad we finally have some guys who use Sport mode instead of Sport Plus because it keeps the wing and splitter retracted for lower drag.
We own both the Turbo S and C8 ZO6. Both vehicles share daily duties however, only the ZO6 is capable of handling track duties. Don't get me wrong our Turbo can be tracked however, not at the level of a ZO6. By the way nice catch concerning the proper use of Sport mode.
I remember the original test in 98, the ZR1 had such an amazing acceleration sound it was almost not real. The low throaty tone of the 415 ci of stroked magic, it was an amazing car
I've rewatched this video many times and it finally hit me that a Mustang went 150-0 mph in 5.7 seconds. Now I'm waiting for the day when a Mustang can do 0-150 mph in 5.7 sec 😊
People really need to give the Z06 the credit it deserves. All I ever see is people praising Porsche. Look at what the Z06 is doing while being 100K cheaper. N/A V8, brakes well, second fastest to 150, handles great. It is undoubtedly the best on track performance bargain amongst this group
Reasons I love the 911 Turbo S... It's one of the fastest, best handling, year round usable and amazing cars on the market. Punching far above its weight and one of the greatest 911's on the planet. I miss mines
I traded up from a Carrera to Turbo S. Both great cars however, it cannot compete on a track vs our C8 ZO6. I'm ok with that. The Turbo was purchased as a daily and long-distance cruiser. The C8 ZO6 and C7 ZO6 share track duty days.
@@ronretired Tracking the Turbo S doable, I have a friend with one. He's done the whole 3RS suspension setup with the Turbo S dampers. It's a great mix of performance but skews away from the Turbo's general purpose. Previously owned a C6Z with a full LG suspension and JTM stage 4 setup. Capable of wild lap times at NJMP and 9sec quarters @141mph on the same Toyo R888R tires. The Vettes remain some of the best bang for the buck you can get. Kudos on the C7 and C8 Zed's
I admit I'm a Mustang fan. Was impressive it kept up and beat many of these way more expensive cars. Back in the day I did get my relatively stock 86 Fox body to about 150. With 9" disks and drums in the back without any ABS stopping took me almost as long as accellerating. I coasted a long time before even considering using my brakes. Gently slowing from 80 to 65 or so...Any of these cars could not only smoke my old 5.0 LX even after I modified with nitrous. But far outbrake and outhandle it...I look forward to getting a newer Mustang GT and just having some fun with it. No more top speed runs for me.
Great Idea! I own a 2014 Mustang GT (first year of gen. 6) and the price-performance ratio is truly impressiv. Also the Sound of the V8 is one of the best of its class^^
Just bought a 95 ZR1. Sort of a retirement gift. Could have bought anything up to $250K and I chose the ZR1. I honestly have no desire for any new car made today. They are all numb compared to an eighties or ninties car. Sure the new stuff is faster, but the real question everyone should be asking is which is more fun.
'It's highly unlikely that an internal combustion car could come out on top, ever again.' Yes, for what they lack in character, they more than make up for in sheer speed... and there really is something delightful about the way a good high performance EV effortlessly accelerates. You have to experience it to understand what I mean.
@@maximborodyuk3773 Maybe, but its addicting and I test drove a new Porsche a few weeks back and its weak sauce. Tesla will be getting another $100k+ from me soon as there is nothing else that can match it.
I am glad that they still tested the Plaid and Sapphire, despite the asterisks. It would have been a crime to not include them. However I don't agree that real conclusions about the winners can't be drawn. Because regardless of the conditions, those two EVs would certainly have better 0-150-0 times than all of the others in this pack of contenders. Especially if you added the Track Package to the Plaid.
@@DMCarReviews They operate on public roads with designated license plates and actual human drivers behind the wheel. The literal definition is a vehicle moving on wheels. Even better, the definition of an automobile, "a usually four-wheeled automotive vehicle designed for passenger transportation." You boomers are getting more curious by the day.
As easy as it seemed for the TS to reach 200, I would be sweating profusely watching how quickly the turf at the end of the runway was approaching and the reaper along with it!
The 992 Turbo S is incredibly fast, and incredibly easy to drive fast. And it won this contest with normal summer tires, not Cup 2 ot Trofeo R track day tires.
I seem to remember an ad from Porsche showcasing 0 to 200 and stop time for the 917/30. Can't seem to find the ad anywhere but I believe it would still impress.
I'm surprised that the Elentra smoked the Civic Type R. Also the Dark Horse's performance is very overrated for having 500hp. It barely beat the Supra which only has 382hp.
That's not the real power of the Supra. BMW bases those ratings on worst-case-possible conditions, but the engines will take advantage of whatever it can in the moment. In reality, they make roughly their rated crank number at the wheels.
The same thing negatively effects both the dark horse and the type r. Both cars really made more for the track use some draggy but down force producing body work. As an example both cars large radiator openings and steep rear wings are simply liabilities in this test. The Elantra ns wing is rather shallow by conparison. And the supra lifts and wanders around past 120mph again showing it's design deficiencies.
I think the Shelby Cobra was king of the 0-100-0 test being the only car that did it in less than 10 seconds. Those numbers still impressive in today's numbers.
@@sean9267it would get beaten by the Z06 purely because of engine position. I think Edmunds did a drag race between them and the GT500 could barely even pull against the Z06 at high speeds
I think that time is a bit optimistic: C&D did an official test at about 14.5 seconds. Legendary Ken Miles was reported to have done it in 13.8 seconds so I’m thinking 10 seconds is still a bit of a myth If memory serves, the late 60s 427 Chevy Corvette Stingray was the only car that even came close at 14.8? And remember this was over 50 years ago, back before a lot of electronic injection and other performance parts existed! Car Company Execs: Make it fast! Engineers in the 60s: Hold my beer!
It took the same amount of distance (about 600 feet) to stop from 200-150 that it did to stop from 150-0 for the 911 Turbo S, but HALF the time (2.6-2.7s vs 5.4s). No fade WHATSOEVER. Those are some DAMN good brakes.
And unfortunately it looks like there won't be any lightweight EVs any time soon. The closest thing we currently have is the Lotus Evija, but that's not attainable for 99.9% og people3 Caterham is planning to produce a promising, low weight EV, but it will have under 300hp, which I fear will cause many people to ignore it as a sports car.
So... In a mile and a half you feel a slowing in the EV. Reminds me of my friends model 3 Performance. It was cooked after 5 laps of NJMSP. From lap 4 to 5 there was a 4second drop in time. It's only a 2.25 mile track.
I guess it depends on the purpose you have in store for a vehicle. We are lucky to own both. The Turbo S and ZO6 are fast and share daily driving duties. Our Turbo S handles long distance travels unlike our ZO6. For track it is the ZO6 all the way. Don't get me wrong the Turbo can function as a track vehicle however, it is not in the same class as our ZO6. I'm ok with that. The Turbo S was not purchased to be used as a track vehicle. If you plan to track often then a dedicated vehicle or 3 RS will fit the bill. Me personally I like vehicles that serve more than one function.
Had the pleasure of driving the 992 Turbo S at the Porsche Experience in ATL a couple years ago. Did the slalom text, skippad test, wet pad, road course, and launch control. Amazing machine! Did all the same tests withTaycan Turbo S as well same day. Porsche engineering 2nd to none
> Lucid was braking uphill! Yeah but from at least 157+ mph so well... Sucks the Tesla and Lucid wasn't there though, best luck for next test - Tbh I cannot afford the Porsches and don't care about the rest but I can afford a base+ Tesla so going with that. Test really confirms how hopeless gas cars are nowadays unless it is for track use only - Can't even park a Diesel car in a city legally anymore where I live and gas cars - 2030 then same.
Trying to figure out why you tested the Elantra N with the manual, when a DCT is available? You didn't handicap the Golf R or any other model vehicle that offers both transmission types the same way. I would think in this test especially, you would want the fastest example of every model to show face. It's not Hyundai's fault the Type R doesn't have a DCT or Auto available.
It might've just been the press car that Hyundai gave them to test. They might've requested a DCT but Hyundai didn't have one to loan them during the time frame they needed for this test so they had to settle for the manual.
Man, I love the Golf R. It may not be as powerful or as fancy as some of the cars tested, but it's still such a great little hot hatch. And you don't have to be a millionaire to afford one.
@@NJRacer623 Eh not really. The spy shots of the new interior have been out for a couple months. They really only backlit the buttons which weren't before and added like 3 buttons. The terrible infotainment and haptic touch crap is still there
Z06 Almost as fast as the GT3 around a track (check Hagerty) and almost as fast as a Turbo S in a straight line. Truly the jack of all trades for 1-200K cheaper, and it looks better and doesn't sound like a vaccum cleaner!
@artansadiki3244 if you read again you'd understand. OFC awd will be better on digs. Prepped or not it will demolish but for what the Z06 could accomplish with being rwd is impressive. I would like to see how the C8 E-Ray would perform in this test.
Thank you for watching! Be sure to read the story for more information, technical details, and video each car's run: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a45765297/0-150-0-mph-speed-test-2023/
Wondering why your favorite car wasn't included? Chances are we invited it and it wasn't available. We tried!
So what you're telling me is these numbers mean absolutely nothing because you didn't eliminate driver factor and just focus on the cars performance?
@@Flooberjobby That's the thing about cars: Someone has to drive them.
Too bad there weren't any tuner based cars in this test, like back in '98.
Hitting 150 mph is tough. Stopping from 150 mph is even more punishing. Yeah...dumb logic.
Your RS time to 150mph is very off beam, something very wrong there e.g. 19s, my 991.2 GT3 RS does it in just over 16. Should have had the 991 GT2 RS on as well, 0-150mph in about 12s.
It’s crazy how that Turbo S will no problem go over 200 MPH again and again and again!!!
What is crazy exactly, My toaster toasts every morning and I'm not impressed. You think the car would exploit at 200mph or something?
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@@garosama4517 It's not very useful to do that non stop anyway.
@@llavero5habibi come to Germany
Not just 0-200mph. 0-200-0 again and again and…
Interesting days when you can bring an Elantra to a 0-150-0 speed test.
I know right.. And a boxy EV Kia
Yeah thing was impressive for hyaundai
Unfortunately they didn't bring the even quicker DCT version. It would have shaved some time off it's final numbers.
Especially when it beats a civic type r in this test
And a Civic too
MAJOR respect to whoever put the video timeline together. Make, Model and TIME just by hovering my mouse over the time timeline!!! Thank you for saving me time. As a show of appreciation, this video gets a full watch from me!
A few of these cars impressed me by even hitting 150 mph in the first place.
Which ones?
Let me guess the hyundai surprised you 🤦🏽♂️
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@@lmc333 The Civic, Hyundai and the Kia. I would think that the Hyundai and Kia would be electronically limited to a lower speed and the Civic would struggle to reach 150 mph since it’s not designed for high speed but more for road courses with shorter gearing.
I’ll take any of these cars. I’ve got a solid vehicle, but it’s a family hauler. I want fun, but my motorcycle will have to fill that void for now.
The Dark Horse out-braking the Porsche 911 Turbo S and Z06 shows that Ford was kinda serious about this $60,000 machine... Impressive. The GTD *might* be something to pay attention to.
60k ? You nuts? Check that price again
Where are you getting one for 60,000?
@@gcash2074 for real lol add about 15-20k to that
80k lol
@dnice362 Yes. Ford sells it for 50k
watching that Turbo S going for 200 was like watching Top Gun Maverick trying to reach mach 10
Desire, respect, fear, and acceptance of what may be lol. Worth it.
Why the turbo take so long to 200??
@@slothymangothe gearing.
@@JacobJoesph ohh is that why so fast off line then??
The fact that the GT3 RS goes this fast with such "little" power and this huge wing is insane
Porsche obviously lightened the car up way more than the others, put racing tech in there. It is a street legal race car. It's no surprise.
They make Moto 3 single cylinder 250 cc does 150 and some other similar bikes
@@Northanteus "no surprise" - it's very impressive regardless
@@Northanteus Honestly it's more impressive with the "racing tech". That wing will be slowing it's acceleration massively at 150mph.
@@B__L If GM chooses to strip all of the daily convenience technology out of the C8 Corvette to lighten the car up by a lot, throw a much bigger wing on the back, with more down force design in the front and on the side, put all the race technology in there, etc. It'd be faster than the gt3rs on the track, no problem. GM wanted to give people a car that they can comfortably daily drive on the street, with convenience, or go cross country and then take it to the track for fun. This is not the same mindset Porsche had for the gt3rs. It's comparing apples to oranges. Don't do that. This is my point.
DONT CARE GIVE ME THE GT3
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200k
Do yall every get tired of idolizing
And fanboying over this car?? Im
Being serious. No disrespect 🤭
classic porsche fanboys
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Watching the Lucid's speedo, I'm thinking "that must be kph." Nope. Insane
Mind bending numbers. 😵💫
Too be fair it was going downhill
@@spencer927 I don't think that matters too much in the case of the Lucid
@@spencer927 It would maybe reduce its time by 0.5 seconds MAX so it doesn't matter really. Wasn't a conclusive test but a 3 second+ difference can't be made back with stuff like slightly downhill headwind etc.
I was thinking the same thing. I was like where are they?
Crazy to think that an F1 car can brake from 200mph to 0 in less than 4 seconds.
Weight of a atv and brakes bigger than wheels on cars were 15 years ago why is that surprising
@@ej2civicb736 at 200mph the aerodynamic braking force decelerates a F1 car without touching the brake pedal at higar rate than any of these cars slamming on the brakes.
The massive balls of the F1 drivers scrub the asphalte to both add some mechanical grip and energy dissipation during braking
Jonathan Palmer came to talk where I worked. He used to test the F1 McLarens of Senna and Prost. He said under hard braking he used to get tiny drops of moisture on the inside of his race helmet visor. It was negative G pulling moisture from his eye balls.
Don't want to disappoint you, but it's 0-200 KM/H in under 4sec. ;-)
Wow! Those graphics, shots of the original test print brings back memories!! Probably read it 150 times as a kid. And I still have the issue in hand - I’ve never thrown one away.
It´s absolutely insane that the Lingenfelter C4 ZR-1 came that close to the C8 Z06! What a beast that car would have been back in the day!
Not only that it still beats a GT3 RS, about 25 years later. That’s insane!!
There are so many variables that you can't compare 2 different tests even a couple days apart let alone in a different location, elevation, etc. The Lingenfelter was quick but by no means would it keep up with a C8 Z06. I've had the honor of driving both for extended periods- I have a neighbor with a spending problem. The problem is he can't outspend his bank account!
The ZR1 in that test had a fully built 415 stroker motor, gears etc. So don't confuse it with the OEM ZR1.
Its not that hard to imagine at all. Could take a detuned nascar v8 from the 90's and have a faster car. Just look how well 90's civics do at all racing events despite small displacement.
Those original tests were only 0-100-0 not 0-150-0 tho, or am I crazy?
Very impressed by the CT5 Blackwing. What a performance bargain. And that Z06 how good does that sound!
Rode with a buddy in his Z06 and the way that thing sounds banging off shifts seriously made me consider buying a used one down the road
@@leeboo2521 as it is a good car, 170k is really steep for a corvette lmao. thats 911 gts/turbo money, I couldnt bring myself to spend that on a corvette
It's the ultimate sleeper and old man car. I'm 53 and have a ctsv so I know. Mine isn't the v3 or blackwing though.
Too bad it looks like a Nissan
Also it's rwd, the fact that it does what it does with power going only to the rear wheels is just one hell of a car.
Two Bentleys, two Porsches but no Ferraris, McLarens or Lambos. What even is this?
That turbo S is crazy! Also, I'm very impressed that the Mustang was able to out brake both the Z06 and 911 Turbo S.
Yet a few seconds slower than the two big name electrics.
@@ricksmith3045
Who cares? That's like comparing a Supermarine Spitfire to the first generation fighter jets. Any aviation enthusiast would take a Spitfire anyday, as any automobile enthusiast would take a Porsche over a tesla.
@@ruthnoya8424 True, they would. Even with the IMS bearing issues that plagued them.
It has no theater. It's like the beige of performance cars.
@@ruthnoya8424 except that isn't correct its more like comparing an f-15 to a mig 25 both came from the same era but very different results, and any equestrian enthusiasts would take a horse over Porsche. because it ACTUALLY has a soul
Would be great to see a graphic of all the cars racing side by side for a way to visualize these differences, but since the data is all there I might just make one for myself. Good stuff
Whoa, whoa, woah! You're talking about Hagerty level videography there, pal.
@@UZForLife Yeah, it's just the benchmark we are all dreaming of achieving!
Sorry but this ain't Hagerty
Link it to us if you do.
Would be neat to animate it too.
What a freaking MILESTONE of humanity kind of statement to end the video on guys! 😮 Loved it!
Corvette Z06 truly a supercar without the excessive cost. 114k vs 223k gt3 RS vs 216k Turbo S 911.
Absolute value for money for ultimate performance levels.
Yep even optioned out it’s about $150k vs $285k vs $265k. Sorry but I can’t see the 120 grand increase in performance for the turbo s or 135 for the RS. At that point I can get another badass daily like the ct5 bw, m5 comp, e63s, redeye charger, etc…with a couple grand left over for some minor bolt ons. This isn’t even factoring in markup. I’ve seen the z06 on sale for 250-300 and the rs for 450-600k 😳
True price wise but, the C8 ZO6, GT3 RS and Turbo S are in different lanes. We own both the C8 ZO6 and Turbo S and the difference on track is staggering. I'm ok with the difference on track because the Turbo S was purchased to handle daily, and cross-country travels through all types of weather without a hiccup. Our C8 ZO6 and C7 ZO6 handle track and daily street duty with the occasional long-distance travel. I don't own but have driven the GT3 not RS version on track and street. On track the vehicle is outstanding. On the street not so much.
Sure money wise it’s a good price point for what you’re getting. But my guess is you’ve never been in one, they ride rough as can be, as they should be in a track spec car. But truthfully I’ll just buy a proper track car for that price and runs laps around it. Cool car but useless at everything. Want a road car? Buy one. Want a track car. Buy one. Crossover into both is a compromise in each area. Daily I’d take a Turbo S. track car for that money a cup car or maybe an open wheel alll will absolutely completely destroy that vette. So potato potato. It’s the things people don’t think about or have actually done. Your response is common. So I know you’ve never been in a real track car or spent much time on an actual race track. Not being a dick but it’s fact for most people out there.
Z06 are getting close to MSRP, 10k over is not unheard of now and dropping fast.@@johncena-hq1ti
The Corvette looks like a Walmart supercar. They were late to the mid-engine game and the design already looked dated when it was new. Let's not forget that they had to reverse engineer a Ferrari 458 motor to develop their flat plane crank V8. Don't even get me started on the Z06 interior. The Porsche is timeless and built to the highest quality.
That Bentley Continental is crazy, I know it has a lot of horsepower but it never appeared as if it would have those kinds of performance capabilities. Truly magnificent combination of luxury and performance
my favourite by far of all the cars there. Luxury, performance, beauty.
That was very impressive how only 2 cars were faster to 150
You should see it fly at the Niagara Falls border!
@@toolbaggers🤣
Seriously!
Thanks for coming to Oscoda Mi. my home town. I hope you guys enjoyed your stay and took a look at the sights to see. please comeback soon.
Can't argue w/the Turbo S! Great in straight line, good on the track, as usable a backseat as you'll find in a supercar, doesn't look obnoxious like the GT3 RS, & the AWD makes it usable in any whether. 2nd I'd go w/the C8 Z06 ❤
I don't want backseats on a supercar it's a sports car not supercar
Well stated. Traded from 992 S to Turbo S. The Turbo serves as our daily and long country travels. The ZO6 (C8) shares track duty with the ZO6 (C7) version. The GT3 RS is just too hard core for me in MHO. The C8 ZO6 without a doubt is the Swiss Army knife of sport cars. Track, daily and country travelling. Still for everyday usability it stands behind our Turbo S.
@chiragnegi6276 🤣 IDK 🤷🏿♂️ what it is about the TurboS (particularly this 992 generation) that makes ppl real nitpicky about it. W/the lightweight package it does a 9sec 1/2mile... Throw Cup2 or Cup2Rs & you'd easily have a Sub 7min Nurburgring Time, does 0-60 in 2.4secs repeatedly, reliable AF, is a jack of all trades... Yet, "It's a Grand Tourer"... "It's a Sports Car"... while simultaneously matching or beating out other SuperCars of the times over the years from 997, 991, 992 generations😂 The M2 SC is a Sports Car, The GT3 Touring is a Sports Cars, The AMG GTS is a Sports Cars, The C8 Stingray is a Sports Car... a TurboS is in a completely different league. But hey, to each their own 👍
@@chiragnegi6276 we should probably keep that your little secret
GT3RS is probably the most pleasing vehicule to watch
The current M5 competition should have been invited. I have a '20 and the car is an absolute missile, it also brakes like you've thrown two or three anchors out the back.
My thoughts exactly
There are many cars they could have included. But I'm guessing they couldn't find any suppliers (or private individuals) willing to send them such cars : BMW. Lamborghini. Audi. Ferrari. AMG. Koenigsegg. McLaren. The list goes on.
@@chillout1109agree. But the list was good enough for me. I didn’t need to see any lambo, or Ferrari or Nissan or BMWs. They wouldn’t have made a difference compared to the Porsche lol. Let’s just be honest. Oops did i forget Mclaren?😂
Why there is no x drive m4 or m3 too….
Exactly. This test was pointless without any M cars.
WHAT AN OPENING ! Nice editorial choice.
Great video. Amazing that the 1994 Lingenfelter ZR-1 is still a badass.
The Gt3 is amazing, just like the Z06 and the Turbo S.
Yeah, that's a beautiful machine! That's a track toy and would destroy every other car with ease on a circuit.
@@warewolf21
Not exactly.
Z06 & GT3RS have traded wins on
Track since 2008. Both great
@@warewolf21 Not really. On track the win usually comes down to the driver with these two vehicles.
The GT3 Rs has a time of 6:49.32 on Nürburgring, that's the third time for sport cars. Z06 is way back with 7:13.90. Ofcourse the driver is extremely important at that level.
@@warewolf21you're comparing a brand new GT3 RS to the previous gen Z06. We have no idea what the current Z06 would do
The Turbo S is just a freaking monster! Best car ever! Doing it again and again and again...All day!
Carlos, you are a gift to the car journalism world. Thank you.
Great to also bring up super old results great work 🎉
18:21 $4,000 Aria full carbon fiber helmet spotted, nice! Excellent video and the C8 Z06 sounds the best!
Very impressed by the CT5 Blackwing and Mustang Dark Horse, 2 masterpieces in American engineering!
Slap a supercharger on that 5.0 and it would accelerate better than the rest, as it already brakes better than the rest.
@@exothermal.sprocket It sure would but I gotta say I do love Ford's decision of making it naturally aspirated
@@frankgustafson8045 Yeah, potentially less fuss over the long run for the average owner. The Coyote can take plenty of boost if that's what an owner wants, too.
Couldn't agree more. Ford REALLY shines in the N/A world.@@frankgustafson8045
@@exothermal.sprocket Fanboys gush over the Porsches as if they’re made for people like us 🤣 I like how American brands actually price their vehicles so that we have an actual chance in owning them, new or used
Never loved the C8's interior, but that Z06 revving to 8600 rpm is pretty damn special. If money were no object it'd go towards a Turbo S, that car is a masterpiece.
caliing vaccum cleaner sounding car a masterpiece is exactly why we have EV's lol
I agree with you about the C8 interior, but I hear they are removing that stupid wall of switches for next model year. That might change my opinion...
@@maximborodyuk3773 i guess respecting the vacuum cleaner for its performance and not its sound, is also why EVs are beating the entire field as well?
because a subjective thing such as noise is what matters most in performance test, right?
@@pasmas3217 beating in what? you know that this test is biased by default towards launc and acceleration?
As soon as the turn come, EV's are gone.
And I highly doubt that you would launch your car constantly, which is basically the main and only thing in EV and TurboS.
Otherwise you wouldn't use 650hp on a street, and you could have way more fun in a proper interesting cars.
Calling faceless silent boring overpowered road car masterpiece is not even extension, Idk what it is.
We own both and the interior IMHO is fantastic. Our Turbo S shares daily duties with the ZO6. Long distance travels belong to the Turbo S. It is that comfortable.
Went to a drag day at a local track and was unfortunate enough to get put up against a 911 Turbo S, and omg that thing was insanely fast. It looked like I was going half throttle against it.
What did u drive?
Absolutely blown away by the sheer diversity and performance of the cars in this test! It's a golden era for car enthusiasts. From the raw power of the Lucid's insane speed to the surprising agility of the Bentley Continental, each car brings something unique to the table. But here's a thought - with the rise of EVs and their impressive performance metrics, do you think traditional supercars are facing serious competition? #CarLoversDebate 🏎⚡
people often compare electric cars vs other electric cars. For now, it should be comparing electric cars to their gas equivalents. "for this much money, what does the EV give and what does the gas do?" I would say we are *just* reaching that point. as EV's start to overtake gas cars in value for performance, they will continuously grow as the desire for growling V8's fades with the newer generation.
There is much logic to your statement however, we have people that purchase vehicles for a great amount of money for optics vice performance. There is no doubt a Lucid or Tesla can beat most supercars however, I just want a Ferrari sitting in my garage mentality is still at play.
@@h20dancing18it’s a beautiful time when you can buy what probably is the peak combustion engine cars, and next gen EVs at the same time
EV's have a long ways to go to be considered true performance cars because of their weight. They have incredible acceleration but thats about it. Handling and braking is garbage compared to other performance sedans like the blackwing or m5. Shave 1,000 lbs off them and give them 6 piston caliper brakes and I'll be interested. Until then I'll just stick with my 18 CTS-v.
@@V3Brandon for most EVs I totally agree. There are plenty of promising (and plenty of not promising) battery chemistries and manufacturing techniques that promise to bring the weight down. Will have to wait and see.
Fantastic content from Car & Driver!
Love this. Well done. It would be fun to see a competition from top 5 or so tuners with the same cars given 1 week to modify. Same 0-150-0 test!!
Would be really cool to know the Plaid time with track package considering it would still be one of the cheapest.
It would give a little bit quicker time, but it may not reach the Saphire time.
Good stuff. This is what I love to see. Real-world testing with real-world numbers, comparing cars to each other and not some perfect-conditions number on the internet.
The Turbo S is such an amazing feat of engineering
911s are boring
Boringly high performing, boringly consistent, boringly reliable, boringly overachieving, and boringly decent price for all that.
@@exothermal.sprocket All of that is boring. Consistent and reliable and decent priced, do you hear yourself? 911s have no personality. They are performance cars for people that get their opinions from others.
@@sleep_sounds But then you might complain if the 911 broke down, didn't make good passes but went into limp mode, wasn't as quick in the top end, and brakes lit on fire?
@@exothermal.sprocket You are trying to argue what a car isn't and using a complaint I didn't make. That's not an argument. Who are you even talking to? At the end of the day I stand by the statement Porsche 911s are performance cars for people that get their opinions from others.
I wonder how the Shelby GT500, Camaro ZL1, Challenger SRT Demon, Porsche Taycan, Corvette E-Ray, Viper ACR, and Porsche GT2RS would have come out on this test.
Us too.
ACR & GT2RS are tied in the
Braking test. They both set
The fastest 0-100-0 times
Gt2rs would have walked this test
Agreed on the ZL1, especially considering the price point
@@dnice362 how? it's RWD version of Turbo S with big wing
@CarlosLago is one of the best hosts I have ever seen in C&D. His technical knowledge, driving skills and extraordinary charisma makes for a great package. He should be the NatGeo poster boy for C&D. Cheers!!
great video and super great production!!
The 911 Turbo S is just the best car ever made.
Edit: also dang I’m glad we finally have some guys who use Sport mode instead of Sport Plus because it keeps the wing and splitter retracted for lower drag.
Rear seats are a shit
Yes or the Bentley continental, its fast, handles really well and is one of the most luxurious cars on the market.
It just might be. Damn thing impressed the heck outta me for sure!
We own both the Turbo S and C8 ZO6. Both vehicles share daily duties however, only the ZO6 is capable of handling track duties. Don't get me wrong our Turbo can be tracked however, not at the level of a ZO6. By the way nice catch concerning the proper use of Sport mode.
Most Porsches also sound better in sport vs sport+. You get more burbles and such
Wow, never knew the Lingenfelter C4 ZR-1 was that amazing back in the day! Well thankfully i own a 95 ZR-1, so im half way there.
Nice 👊🏿
I remember the original test in 98, the ZR1 had such an amazing acceleration sound it was almost not real. The low throaty tone of the 415 ci of stroked magic, it was an amazing car
The Lingenfelter C4 ZR-1 was such a beast, the only car that just barely beat it in the Road & Track High-Speed Shootout was the Mclaren F1.
@@kaldarleifar Mclaren F1 was the 1st hypercar.
Out of reach for 99.9%
Thank you for all the hard work. Great video and information.
I've rewatched this video many times and it finally hit me that a Mustang went 150-0 mph in 5.7 seconds. Now I'm waiting for the day when a Mustang can do 0-150 mph in 5.7 sec 😊
Maybe in space with rockets lol
Cobra Jet?
mustang can goes 1/4 in 6.4 sec 214mph 😉
It's the Turbo S for me. Close behind would be the Z06. The Turbo S runs made me smile!
People really need to give the Z06 the credit it deserves. All I ever see is people praising Porsche. Look at what the Z06 is doing while being 100K cheaper. N/A V8, brakes well, second fastest to 150, handles great. It is undoubtedly the best on track performance bargain amongst this group
I agree. Hopefully, it doesn't also fall apart faster than everything else in the group.
@@JR15A2it’s a Chevy. It would never😹
@@KillaGorilla1629 Yep, my Tahoe gently weeps, lol.
Reasons I love the 911 Turbo S... It's one of the fastest, best handling, year round usable and amazing cars on the market. Punching far above its weight and one of the greatest 911's on the planet. I miss mines
I traded up from a Carrera to Turbo S. Both great cars however, it cannot compete on a track vs our C8 ZO6. I'm ok with that. The Turbo was purchased as a daily and long-distance cruiser. The C8 ZO6 and C7 ZO6 share track duty days.
@@ronretired Tracking the Turbo S doable, I have a friend with one. He's done the whole 3RS suspension setup with the Turbo S dampers. It's a great mix of performance but skews away from the Turbo's general purpose. Previously owned a C6Z with a full LG suspension and JTM stage 4 setup. Capable of wild lap times at NJMP and 9sec quarters @141mph on the same Toyo R888R tires. The Vettes remain some of the best bang for the buck you can get. Kudos on the C7 and C8 Zed's
You and your team are awesome! Keep up the great content.
I admit I'm a Mustang fan. Was impressive it kept up and beat many of these way more expensive cars. Back in the day I did get my relatively stock 86 Fox body to about 150. With 9" disks and drums in the back without any ABS stopping took me almost as long as accellerating. I coasted a long time before even considering using my brakes. Gently slowing from 80 to 65 or so...Any of these cars could not only smoke my old 5.0 LX even after I modified with nitrous. But far outbrake and outhandle it...I look forward to getting a newer Mustang GT and just having some fun with it. No more top speed runs for me.
Great Idea! I own a 2014 Mustang GT (first year of gen. 6) and the price-performance ratio is truly impressiv. Also the Sound of the V8 is one of the best of its class^^
Nobody cares.
These retrospectives are AMAZING showing how far we have really come!
The C4 ZR1 will always have a special place in my heart🙂
As long as it doesn't take my place
Original King of the Hill Corvette 💪💪💪
Lmao@@leeboo2521
@@gene7314❤️🔥🪽
Just bought a 95 ZR1. Sort of a retirement gift. Could have bought anything up to $250K and I chose the ZR1. I honestly have no desire for any new car made today. They are all numb compared to an eighties or ninties car. Sure the new stuff is faster, but the real question everyone should be asking is which is more fun.
This video deserves to be listened to with a great audio system
Love how the Turbo S can consecutively run 200+ mph all day and still pick up groceries and drive it home at the end of the day.
'It's highly unlikely that an internal combustion car could come out on top, ever again.'
Yes, for what they lack in character, they more than make up for in sheer speed... and there really is something delightful about the way a good high performance EV effortlessly accelerates.
You have to experience it to understand what I mean.
Traded my Porsche GT3 for a Model S. Zero regrets. The best canyon car I have ever owned. That exit speed is addicting!
@@gnoxycat
A Tesla? 😂
@@wbwayne8887 Real car guys drive EVs.
@@gnoxycat that's simply because you can't drive other than smashing accelerator
@@maximborodyuk3773 Maybe, but its addicting and I test drove a new Porsche a few weeks back and its weak sauce. Tesla will be getting another $100k+ from me soon as there is nothing else that can match it.
I just finished reading this article, great timing!
The Tesla S Plaid should be tested with the new OEM track pack installed.
We agree.
I am glad that they still tested the Plaid and Sapphire, despite the asterisks. It would have been a crime to not include them. However I don't agree that real conclusions about the winners can't be drawn. Because regardless of the conditions, those two EVs would certainly have better 0-150-0 times than all of the others in this pack of contenders. Especially if you added the Track Package to the Plaid.
@@deanmcmanis9398 If they are testing "cars" then you can't really include them. They are ipads on wheels or RC's...
@@DMCarReviews They operate on public roads with designated license plates and actual human drivers behind the wheel. The literal definition is a vehicle moving on wheels. Even better, the definition of an automobile, "a usually four-wheeled automotive vehicle designed for passenger transportation." You boomers are getting more curious by the day.
Car and Driver would just put another nail in the tire. Can’t have a Plaid embarrassing all the other advertising car brands like that.
Carlos is such a good presenter. He needs more screen time.
Agreed
These are the things that keep me renewing my subscription year after year. Now go have a cold one folks, you deserved it.
As easy as it seemed for the TS to reach 200, I would be sweating profusely watching how quickly the turf at the end of the runway was approaching and the reaper along with it!
The "I'll get to 200 even if I have to brake into the trees" school of thought :)
The 992 Turbo S is incredibly fast, and incredibly easy to drive fast. And it won this contest with normal summer tires, not Cup 2 ot Trofeo R track day tires.
I seem to remember an ad from Porsche showcasing 0 to 200 and stop time for the 917/30. Can't seem to find the ad anywhere but I believe it would still impress.
I'm surprised that the Elentra smoked the Civic Type R. Also the Dark Horse's performance is very overrated for having 500hp. It barely beat the Supra which only has 382hp.
That's not the real power of the Supra. BMW bases those ratings on worst-case-possible conditions, but the engines will take advantage of whatever it can in the moment. In reality, they make roughly their rated crank number at the wheels.
The mustang was 60k , and weighs 4000lbs. It also beats the 2 seater supra on any road course. Much lower running costs than the supra .
The same thing negatively effects both the dark horse and the type r. Both cars really made more for the track use some draggy but down force producing body work. As an example both cars large radiator openings and steep rear wings are simply liabilities in this test. The Elantra ns wing is rather shallow by conparison. And the supra lifts and wanders around past 120mph again showing it's design deficiencies.
@@memememine1well stated. Wasnt as obvious to some so, i'm glad you mentioned that. (re: liabilities in THIS TEST).
Its a track oriented car.
And its making 500hp crank.
The supra makes well over 400
You guys have the best job in the WORLD! Excuse me now, I have to clean up my slobber.
I think the Shelby Cobra was king of the 0-100-0 test being the only car that did it in less than 10 seconds. Those numbers still impressive in today's numbers.
Yeah I'm wondering what a 2023 GT500 would do in this test. That car pulls so hard on the top end.
@@sean9267it would get beaten by the Z06 purely because of engine position. I think Edmunds did a drag race between them and the GT500 could barely even pull against the Z06 at high speeds
I think that time is a bit optimistic: C&D did an official test at about 14.5 seconds.
Legendary Ken Miles was reported to have done it in 13.8 seconds so I’m thinking 10 seconds is still a bit of a myth
If memory serves, the late 60s 427 Chevy Corvette Stingray was the only car that even came close at 14.8?
And remember this was over 50 years ago, back before a lot of electronic injection and other performance parts existed!
Car Company Execs: Make it fast!
Engineers in the 60s: Hold my beer!
It took the same amount of distance (about 600 feet) to stop from 200-150 that it did to stop from 150-0 for the 911 Turbo S, but HALF the time (2.6-2.7s vs 5.4s). No fade WHATSOEVER. Those are some DAMN good brakes.
Weird I noticed
I still have that Magazine from the 90s
Had a subscription to Motortrend and Car&Driver since 1982 and 1985. All till 2015.
Hey! A table at the end showing the results would have been cool !...Bar graph ?
there is a full report available. link is in the description
@@uliwehner Table ? Bar graph ?
Porsche proves yet again, they are the benchmark for a reason. Great video, loved watching it.
Overall? You can make that argument. Within the context of this video, absolutely not. An F8 or 720S would’ve smoked the Turbo S.
@@da5863 But at a much higher purchase price.
@@GTOGregoryA 720s is the same price as a Turbo S in todays market
Lmao
Crazy the 911 turbo won when the other top be cars had michelin track tires and the turbo s had Pirelli summer tires
Turbo s all day son. I don’t care about the track
Also in unrestricted top speed the Lucid Air is king of kings, with an independently verified 235 mph (376 km/h).
Rimac Nevera has entered the chat....
for 3 times the price of a plaid with same speed lol
The turbo s did well over 200,68, the Speedo showed higher speed than the graph on the right.
Enjoyed the test. Looks like for reliable and bang for the buck is the Ford Mustang.
Should have included a 427 Cobra just for the heck of it to see how it stacks up.
The Cobra is the one I thought of when I saw the title of this test. 0-100-0
They did. It’s still trying to stop. Those old cars had shit brakes
Tires are such a huge oversight, swap the Pirelli P Zero out for Pilot Sport 4 S and you'll see and feel the difference..
Makes me happy to be a c8 z06 owner. Such a capable car!
The massive kerb weight will always be my issue with "sporty" EV's.
And unfortunately it looks like there won't be any lightweight EVs any time soon. The closest thing we currently have is the Lotus Evija, but that's not attainable for 99.9% og people3 Caterham is planning to produce a promising, low weight EV, but it will have under 300hp, which I fear will cause many people to ignore it as a sports car.
Sounds like a more fun engineering problem than fuel starvation + traction limitations.
there is no such thing as sporty EV
quick acceleration has nothing to do with "sporty"
@@yummyhershey5902miata/mx5 definitely doesn’t get ignored as a sports car and it has even less HP lol. The caterham could be way ahead of its time.
@@maximborodyuk3773 So performance is not performance. Got it.
So... In a mile and a half you feel a slowing in the EV. Reminds me of my friends model 3 Performance. It was cooked after 5 laps of NJMSP. From lap 4 to 5 there was a 4second drop in time. It's only a 2.25 mile track.
Porsche is on another level. They are the pioneers that others follow to get better.
There are other brands that make faster cars. Some of which are in the video. So that’s an overstatement.
Lmao 20 year lingenfelter vetted spanked it's ass
Enjoyed that. Old Turbo S seems like the standout, but I’d take a 3RS over them all. Z06 close second
I guess it depends on the purpose you have in store for a vehicle. We are lucky to own both. The Turbo S and ZO6 are fast and share daily driving duties. Our Turbo S handles long distance travels unlike our ZO6. For track it is the ZO6 all the way. Don't get me wrong the Turbo can function as a track vehicle however, it is not in the same class as our ZO6. I'm ok with that. The Turbo S was not purchased to be used as a track vehicle. If you plan to track often then a dedicated vehicle or 3 RS will fit the bill. Me personally I like vehicles that serve more than one function.
I just want a GT3, no RS necessary for me
@@ronretired you keep saying the same thing on every post. If you want to track car buy the GT3 RS. It’s incalculably better than the Corvette.
This was awesome! Great video.
Had the pleasure of driving the 992 Turbo S at the Porsche Experience in ATL a couple years ago. Did the slalom text, skippad test, wet pad, road course, and launch control. Amazing machine! Did all the same tests withTaycan Turbo S as well same day. Porsche engineering 2nd to none
As much as I love the caddy, seeing the Tesla and Lucid times is just jaw dropping.
> Lucid was braking uphill!
Yeah but from at least 157+ mph so well...
Sucks the Tesla and Lucid wasn't there though, best luck for next test - Tbh I cannot afford the Porsches and don't care about the rest but I can afford a base+ Tesla so going with that.
Test really confirms how hopeless gas cars are nowadays unless it is for track use only - Can't even park a Diesel car in a city legally anymore where I live and gas cars - 2030 then same.
"Don't think an internal combustion engine can ever come out on top again."
Sounds ominously true.
I wonder how much better the Integra Type S would have been. No wing and it's shown to accelerate a little quicker than the Type R
That's what I was wondering as well.
It certainly couldn’t do any worse. 😂
@@DM72513I was gonna say the same thing. Civic covered the distance of another runway to get to 150.
This was a well done video.
So sad about the Plaid. It would have cleaned up. Especially if it had the track pack with the carbon brakes.
Electric for the daily. Combustion for the weekend.
Fact
that's an excellent take.
I tell ppl this but they still hate… I daily an S plaid but own several ICE vehicles; including a twin turbo coyote
Good way to save motoring for those who enjoy it
Nice piece and a bunch of fun.
Wish you would have listed all the 0-60 and quarter miles of each, with a list at the end.
Cheers
Trying to figure out why you tested the Elantra N with the manual, when a DCT is available? You didn't handicap the Golf R or any other model vehicle that offers both transmission types the same way. I would think in this test especially, you would want the fastest example of every model to show face. It's not Hyundai's fault the Type R doesn't have a DCT or Auto available.
It might've just been the press car that Hyundai gave them to test. They might've requested a DCT but Hyundai didn't have one to loan them during the time frame they needed for this test so they had to settle for the manual.
@@ktkof04
Perhaps, but if that's the case, then Hyundai really screwed itself in that process.
Please do U-drag race just like the one they do at Edmunds. That's has an additional perfomance benchmark.
Edmunds now trademarked that u drag thing 😂😂😂
The C4 Lingenfelter is still impressive, 30 years later. I used to dream of that car daily!
Man, I love the Golf R. It may not be as powerful or as fancy as some of the cars tested, but it's still such a great little hot hatch. And you don't have to be a millionaire to afford one.
But that interior is a complete deal breaker
~ someone who has a mk7.5 GTI
@@travis3810I think VW went back to the drawing board and is making some changes for the Mk 8.5. So that’s good news.
@@NJRacer623 Eh not really. The spy shots of the new interior have been out for a couple months. They really only backlit the buttons which weren't before and added like 3 buttons. The terrible infotainment and haptic touch crap is still there
@@travis3810have you sat inside of a Mk8? Like is it really that bad?
@@NJRacer623 Yes I test drove one last year. It's not AS bad as people say, but it's still an absolute disaster compared to the mk7.5
Z06 Almost as fast as the GT3 around a track (check Hagerty) and almost as fast as a Turbo S in a straight line. Truly the jack of all trades for 1-200K cheaper, and it looks better and doesn't sound like a vaccum cleaner!
Lol def doesnt look better. Looks like a chinese Nsx 😂 C6 was the best looking one
And the Turbo was 3 seconds faster thsn the C8. So no, wasnt close.
@artansadiki3244 the Turbo S being AWD and The Z06 being RWD. The Z06 was definitely close against an awd at a dig.
@@K3GT1 its not close, have you seen quartermile races between those two? On an unprepped street like this, its even worse.
Turbo CANNOT take corners like a c8 can.
@artansadiki3244 if you read again you'd understand. OFC awd will be better on digs. Prepped or not it will demolish but for what the Z06 could accomplish with being rwd is impressive. I would like to see how the C8 E-Ray would perform in this test.
Am I the only one who finds super fast “SUVs” scary?
We’re packing speed and acceleration into 3 ton cars 😳
Where's the 296 GTB