I fucking hate when car channels do that. I remember when no one was looking at the 996 Porsche turbo and prices were dropping then two TH-camrs dropped videos. Went up 10k INSTANTLY
@@Dance1617 well it's not that the car TYers are raising the price... They gave their honest reviews, and then educated consumers increased the demand of said cars. Can't hate them for that.
@@amorgan20111 No, you can't hate the YTbers for that, but you can hate the fact that for many years now there were multiple hidden gems among the affordable cars that you had to like for your own personal, very specific reasons to understand why it's good (or you had to _actually_ have a good sense of style yourself to know that people would come around to a new design), but now you just need to have a bit of free time and show a mild interest in cars to be recommended excellently presented, entertaining, popular, and informative video reviews of cars that *used to be* or *would have been* hidden gems in a few years time, but that are now so well known and popular (by people with too much money) that they are being sold _thousands_ of $ above sticker price, with most "Limited Edition" variants these days selling out before even being released to the public. It's now much, much harder to get an affordable deal on all sorts of cars simply because there is such an excess of concise information presented in an entertaining way that people who are literally just bored or that have more money than they know what to do with are suddenly informed enough to snatch up all the low priced gems that they can get because they know they will at least hold their value, if not gain in it. There's no one really to blame all that much (except maybe people who hoard cars exclusively as investments or "because I can") for taking away one of the already scarce ways that some of us poorer folk had/have to (at least temporarily) feel richer than we actually are.
😂😂 I understand you bro, I got a 2000 M roadster but at least that one is reliable. Haven’t had any issues with it except for a valve cover gasket leaking oil. 120 dollar fix and back to being a daily driver.
@@fredericoespinoza I bet the M2 is so much fun to drive due to it being smaller. I feel like it's much more ideal, these cars just keep getting bigger and bigger. I should have gotten an M2, honestly
You know man people talk shit about BMW and how Mercedes is better its really not the m4 is better than the c63s the m5 comp shits on the gt63s and e63s the m5 is cheaper. The m2 is a very special handling car honestly BMW is really killing it I love it so much and hope to own many BMW's
@@rskrks 100% agree, it’s an amazing car! The F87 platform is so important to me that I kept my original ‘18 LCI M2 as well haha. My local dealer had a misano blue on frozen gold M2 CS (my dream spec) that I didn’t act on and I probably should have.
It's sick to have a running lap speed and drag race for all you're cars you've tested, that way people can know exactly which places where and what they would wanna buy. It makes people wanna watch more of your videos as well
Your review a few months back of the M2 CS was a huge reason why I went out and bought one. I’m sad Thomas didn’t get one. You missed out! This thing is an instant classic!
Makes sense! VW does a Nurburgring setting on their Clubsport's and R that have softened dampers - it actually keeps the wheels on the ground better in undulations on the pavement where a stiff suspension won't have much contact as the suspension stays in place. Awesome video again guys, gripping from start to finish.
It's great to see how many subscribers you've added. You guys deserve it. What are the 5 most fun cars you've driven on the street? I'm not interested in track times, although it's great watching you guys on the track.
@@cagriyuksel6448 sure maybe from a review and information point of view, but "those 3 old guys" were way more fun and entertaining than the current top gear hosts.... The epic challenges that they did were amazing
The CS is the perfect car for me. It basically takes everything I loved about my 135i - size, tossability, relative simplicity - and shoves all the things that made my M4 great into that sort of package. Incredibly rewarding to drive, and I can't help but just put miles on it. I was planning on building up the 135i to make that my primary autocross car, but the M2 has basically superseded the 135i and M4 for everything I'd be using those cars for. As sad as that is, I don't see myself driving those any more so I'll be looking to sell both.
Woah, i was genuinely not expecting that M2CS lap time. Ive lost interest in modern current BMWs but holy hell i was legit surprised when they said the time. Good job M division, just wish the CS were more available and not marked up through the roof.
It's blast to drive, but I do have a general complaint with the standard M shifters in that they feel a bit imprecise. I recently updated to the Carbon / Alcantara shifter from the M Performance Parts catalog (same on as I had in my M4) and the experience is even better now.
@@SILBERautomotive The trans on CS is pretty good, just rev hangs on 2 and the throw is a little long. I’m planning on doing the clutch delay valve delete to fix the rev hang and an extended clutch bump for the throw and it should be perfect. Maybe a taller knob too since I’m a little taller and the lack of the arm rest makes arm position higher.
Same here, except I foresee the CS going up in value big time. It’s going to become un-affordable very soon. If I had the $$ for two new cars, I would buy the GT350R and keep it as a very rare occasion car, due to its skyrocketing value for low mileage ones (can I say early retirement 😀), and then buy this M2 CS and use it as my track car. I would keep my current GTI as my daily because it’s that good as a daily and fun car (will be 500whp/480wtq soon 🙂).
I have a 2020 GT Mustang but ordered the Mach 1 delivered in September if everything goes as plan. But this being said, I looked at the M2 too cause taxes included, the Mach 1 and the M2 are the same price tag in Belgium. But tbh, the Mach 1 and the V8 is so pleasant so I went for the Mach 1 🥰
@@JacesOwnWorld there is no Shelby sold by Ford in Belgium. Only the regular Mustang (ecoboost and GT), Bullit and now Mach 1. And with taxes in Belgium, the price of the Mach 1 matches the price of a GT350R
jacob folkringa BMWs are actually more reliable than fords, BMW Is the 9th most reliable brand at 95.2% after 5 years and Ford is 18th most reliable with 93.7% after 5 years, although Ford has a couple models with really high scores like the C max and kuga that got near 100% overall across their whole model range BMWs are substantially more reliable.
My roommate and I were just talking about it but y'all do reviews as good as old Top Gear. Such quality content, always love to see when a review video drops. Keep up the awesome work!!
Wow. I was not expecting such a dominant performance by the M2. That lap time ! It is the fastest "real car" lap time on your track. [My brain just automatically filters out the no-longer-made Viper ACR and the 1-seater BAC Mono.] Incredible.
The Mustang is the route I’d go. I love the Mach 1. And Civic Type R markups are insane. On auto trader, I came across 3 Type R LEs, and all 3 were asking 87-90k.
@@yungactivist Most are. Even regular Type Rs are being Marked up pretty high. I found a few used ones from 2018 with like 30-40k Kilometres on them and they were literally asking MSRP for a new one. But when you go look for a new one, they are asking 55k.
Thats alot of cash for 306 hp..I like the type r but there not worth over 53k at max.should start at 39.5...great top end and handling but that price you gotta be over 400hp for me
Just shows the potential BMW usually leaves on the table with their trash alignments on most M cars. OG M2 understeers like fwd and the software cuts all boost until you straighten the wheel. So happy they clearly fixed those flaws and released its potential!
Lol what, the mach 1 is just a shelby gt350 with a coyote engine. Or in other words, it's just a GT PP2 with the intake manifold and transmission from the GT350. It barely puts a scrape on the GT350 and the ss 1le wrecks the gt350 around a track so hard that after the ZL1 released, Ford stopped sending their mustangs to race tracks to be tested because all of a sudden track times don't matter anymore, even though every previous shelby was developed and tested for the track
Its crazy how you can get mustang mach 1 for the same price as civic type R LE in north america. Unfortunately im from Europe and jf i had that option, id obviously get mustang
Hey guys. I literally own the Mach1 in this video. I have the same badge # on my dash M2283. It was the press car and Straight Pipes beat on her too. But I maxed out the Ford warranty with no deductible and F%&$ LOVE IT!
The m2 is literally the perfect car the value on these cars will skyrocket in the next 10-15 years because it is probably going the be the greatest m car of all time
Well this explains why my friend in his type r LE was 2 seconds slower than my 21' type r last track day. He was on the cup 2's and I was on hankook rs4 tires. I expected it to be the other way around.
This is very unusual. My Type R from 2019 gets much better cornering speeds with the Cup 2 vs original sport Contact 6. Entry and exit are around 5 kph faster on a 100 kph corner. Tremendously improved grip at lower speeds as well, puts the power down very easily. Does the limited edition come with the RO1 specification cup 2?
@@JoshuaTootell tires were listed for reference, the cup 2 is a faster tire. This is the point I was making, the overly stiff suspension is unsettling.
@@johnss2k434 they do roll quite easily but my biggest issue is they started delaminating on me. The tires only had 50 miles on them and after 1 track day on a 1.4 mile course, there are threads showing on the edge of the rear tires because chunks of rubber are missing.
U.S. watcher here - I've been wanting to rep a shirt of yours since I started watching you guys years ago (hard to remember anything before 2020 but I'm guessing it was more than a year), but I just did cause this was such a fun review. Keep it up. You and savagegoose are my absolute favorites to watch.
@@harrisr1018 Maybe for a brand new car, but I still wouldn't get it, it overheats on track, has gear grinding issues, and still understeers as you can see in the video.
At a similar price no question about it, but the Mustang is way more expensive. Mach 1 starts at €30.000 over the Type R here in Slovenia. That's $36k+ difference!
... the CTR LE goes for around mid-$60k USD and up around me. You'd have to be phenomenally stupid to be paying that, but then again, the Honda crowd is filled with them. Literally the most expensive of the bunch while being the slowest. You can't make up that level of stupidity.
@@CU08 yeah the m2 and the mustng both are way better. This type r doesn't even have the Honda reliability that their fanboys are always talking about.
I can't even process the quality of these videos. Either a major studio is behind you or you are about to get scooped up by one. This beats anything else. Unbelievable quality and production.
I have the feeling that the only reason they even included the Mach 1 in this episode was to subtly bash Ford Canada 🤔 Awesome episode, made my day! Love both cars but the M2 CS is an absolute dream car
I traded in my 17 civic type r for the M2 CS back in February, I only have 400 miles on it and haven’t had a chance to break it in. However, the car puts a big grin on my face every time I drive it.
After the Viper ACR video I thought - how will the Canadian/British dudes top this video? Aaaaand they have almost done it. Even with the lack of hooning, which is, of course, slightly unfortunate. Greetings from Latvia and well done once again!
I have been searching everywhere to finalize my cross shopping of the Mach 1....and thought today was gonna be the big day! Seriously, Ford, this seeds enough info in my noggin to drop it from my list. You are touting it as the best track focused mustang. What was going going to blow up?
Currently the M2CS is one of my favourite cars of all time, I think also own of the reasons the ZL1 1LE was slower is because the tyres weren't at their optimum temperature. Those Goodyears on the camaro don't work under 15-20° and that camaro was run in October. But that all aside, what a car the M2CS, great video guys as usual
I want to see what the Mustang Bullit Steve McQueen edition can do around the track tbh. It comes with more horses, more torque, a rear seat delete, a roll cage that's color matched to the body, and a whole lot more.
Also M2 is arguably the best-looking BMW currently in production. I'm more of a Lexus type of guy, BMWs usually do nothing for me but the M2 has just perfect proportions, i would actually want one.
Another fun review... Please don't be irresponsible like many car reviewers that make comments to say one is less or more for you when you have no intent to buy either... Great to just give unbiased view and why you would choose based on your taste without claiming a winner or lose.
I will literally drive my Mach 1 to these guys and let them run it around the track
If you are in Canada. Email us. Thomas@thethrottlehouse.com
Not all heroes wear capes
Please do it
Yessssss!!!!!!! They’ll take care of you bro
@@josearmenta2018 but he wears a cap in fact
Now that’s wild, because I’m literally watching this on the toilet right now 😂😂
Same, we're all connected by our buttholes through a world wide system of pipes, let that sink in
Same, but I was too busy getting a blumpkin.
Same
Same here 🤣🤣
Hahaha same
congratulations guys, you guys successfully bumped the M2 CS price tag for another 5k. thank you.
😂😂😂
I fucking hate when car channels do that. I remember when no one was looking at the 996 Porsche turbo and prices were dropping then two TH-camrs dropped videos. Went up 10k INSTANTLY
Hahaha good, dantis, meg!
@@Dance1617 well it's not that the car TYers are raising the price... They gave their honest reviews, and then educated consumers increased the demand of said cars. Can't hate them for that.
@@amorgan20111 No, you can't hate the YTbers for that, but you can hate the fact that for many years now there were multiple hidden gems among the affordable cars that you had to like for your own personal, very specific reasons to understand why it's good (or you had to _actually_ have a good sense of style yourself to know that people would come around to a new design), but now you just need to have a bit of free time and show a mild interest in cars to be recommended excellently presented, entertaining, popular, and informative video reviews of cars that *used to be* or *would have been* hidden gems in a few years time, but that are now so well known and popular (by people with too much money) that they are being sold _thousands_ of $ above sticker price, with most "Limited Edition" variants these days selling out before even being released to the public. It's now much, much harder to get an affordable deal on all sorts of cars simply because there is such an excess of concise information presented in an entertaining way that people who are literally just bored or that have more money than they know what to do with are suddenly informed enough to snatch up all the low priced gems that they can get because they know they will at least hold their value, if not gain in it. There's no one really to blame all that much (except maybe people who hoard cars exclusively as investments or "because I can") for taking away one of the already scarce ways that some of us poorer folk had/have to (at least temporarily) feel richer than we actually are.
The M2 CS is literally what everyone wants from BMW, I seriously hope the price doesn’t skyrocket so I can afford one some day
Too the mooon!
Everyone deserves an m2 😉
Spoiler alert: It will
Oh it will, but you can modify a competition to perform similar or better.
Too late...
Iv had a beamer for 17 years, they are amazing...when they work
😂😂 I understand you bro, I got a 2000 M roadster but at least that one is reliable. Haven’t had any issues with it except for a valve cover gasket leaking oil. 120 dollar fix and back to being a daily driver.
I love my BMW's. I also hate my BMW's. I love things that break my heart. But I will always only own a bmw.
Am a BMW owner i.. know that feeling. . Myne is the cooling system. Problem old e46
They work all the time you have to keep up on maintenance lol
@@joaomanuel813 mine E46 Ci is truly amazing. Love it and lucky me its still reliable. Not a daily driver
I'm not a big bmw fan by any means but they killed it with this M2 imo in looks and performance and would easily, happily take it
Apart from the rubbery gearbox... But yes, an awesome car indeed
Going to stay with that I know Mustang all the way 😂
Only true BMW still on sale, it’s a shame the price point is so close to Cayman and Corvette C8 territory
Its a 2008 135i. I have a 2011 JB4 FBO 135i. Its the worst car I have owned in 40 years.
@@FFE-js2zpmuch more like a 1m coupe or m3 e46 csl ancestor
someone buy that mach 1 and give to these guys to track. that's a patriotic thing to do!
Would not waste that much money for an interior like that
Merica!
For which country? Not Canada.
Ford didn't want them to drive it cause they're not in America haha
Ford has banned journalists to put lap times for the mach1. Its most likely slower than a camaro ss 1le.
I have put about 2000 miles on my M2 CS now and it really is such a special car and seriously puts a smile on your face every time your drive it!
I've an M4 and they drive so damn nice! Pushing them around turns and they stay so flat and grip
@@dinosoarskill17 its so different cars tho , cant compare both!
@@Misanoblue As a M2 owner, i agree m4 / m2 big difference, hence why i walked away from a m4 comp and bought a m2 comp last year
@@fredericoespinoza I bet the M2 is so much fun to drive due to it being smaller. I feel like it's much more ideal, these cars just keep getting bigger and bigger. I should have gotten an M2, honestly
You know man people talk shit about BMW and how Mercedes is better its really not the m4 is better than the c63s the m5 comp shits on the gt63s and e63s the m5 is cheaper. The m2 is a very special handling car honestly BMW is really killing it I love it so much and hope to own many BMW's
This gave me major regrets settling for a M2 Comp and not going over my budget for a M2 CS
M2 comp is absolutely phenomenal
@@rskrks 100% agree, it’s an amazing car! The F87 platform is so important to me that I kept my original ‘18 LCI M2 as well haha. My local dealer had a misano blue on frozen gold M2 CS (my dream spec) that I didn’t act on and I probably should have.
I subscribed
Just be happy you can afford one my dude.
Unless you're on the track, even a regular M2 is really no different
It's sick to have a running lap speed and drag race for all you're cars you've tested, that way people can know exactly which places where and what they would wanna buy. It makes people wanna watch more of your videos as well
Well this is a nice surprise on a Thursday morning! Throttle House starts the day off right!
it’s night for me
Agree
9am for me
Agree, only disappointed it isn't Friday like I thought it was!!!!
And Doug Demuro
Well they nailed the bathroom sequence, caught red-handed. Lol
Brown handed* 😂😂
Oh my fucking god me too
...crap...same here...
Breh, literally same
I just learned that I've been eating my bathroom time
You should have told Ford no thanks and not give them any airtime at all.
Agree 100%
Nah I like how they made Ford look absolutely ridiculous
Probably some Ford joker that thinks gas engines are yucky..
@@jordanwiens1921 Gas engines *are yucky*... They're fun and awesome, but absolutely disgusting in how they decimate the environment.
@@ElusiveTy you got that right they are fun and awesome.
Your review a few months back of the M2 CS was a huge reason why I went out and bought one. I’m sad Thomas didn’t get one. You missed out! This thing is an instant classic!
Same here saw the review went out and got one
Y'all must be rich as hell if you can watch a car review and just decide to then buy an $85k car
These are all very unique in their very own ways, love them all, they’re all truly gems
Ford PR guy: “No you can’t take our car on a track.”
1.45 million Throttle House subscribers: Ford sucks. Me get M-car.
Exactly
More than likely because Ford wants the official numbers to come from testing on their track with their trained drivers for the handling package.
People only see ring times as standard anyway so Ford is dumb.
Ford does suck.
@@michaelfried3123 I guess Ferrari sucks too lol. They don't allow any times to be recorded period.
How utterly disappointing- a Track Pack Car that can't go on the track. Thank you, Ford of Canada.
Makes sense! VW does a Nurburgring setting on their Clubsport's and R that have softened dampers - it actually keeps the wheels on the ground better in undulations on the pavement where a stiff suspension won't have much contact as the suspension stays in place. Awesome video again guys, gripping from start to finish.
9:15 - 9:46 was pure vintage Clarkson Top Gear and I loved every second of it.
Exactly!
In the bathroom, soaking my feet while watching throttle house…..this is life!
In the bathroom watching Throttle House! Best time of the day!
That's gay
i’m in the bathroom, taking a poop while watching throttle house......i feel amazing
Taking a shit at work, watching TH. Love to see it.
@@sweatyfootenjoyer poop*
Was waiting for Thomas to call that M2 the ultimate driving machine.
The production level you guys produce every video is so incredible!
Yeah they have a team
I love that you guys seem to know you've got the best job in the world - it comes through in every video, and I tell everyone I can to watch.
It's great to see how many subscribers you've added. You guys deserve it. What are the 5 most fun cars you've driven on the street? I'm not interested in track times, although it's great watching you guys on the track.
Throttle House and carwow drag races are two of my favorite TH-cam channels. And anything Chris Harris.
Agree 100%
21:30
When you've been best friends for so long that you start looking like each other.
Thomas is going to have a heart attack & a brain aneurysm over how good the M2 CS is 😂😂 !! Breathe dude 😅😅
it’s the bmw fanboyness in him 😂😂
I wonder if he could have better times on other cars tested if he was just as excited?
@@AustinShockSS I WAS just as excited for all the cars. I LOVE the type R. This one just didn’t live up to what I was hoping for.
@@thomasholland8436 Hi tom, are you gonna do a review on a BMW M8 any time soon?
@@CJ-gk5bl Well, the M2 CS did win EVO's Car of The Year against some serious machines. So perhaps that fanboyism is justified to large degree.
I hate how I literally just sat down on the toilet as that bit came up 🤦🏾♂️😂😂
I was taken home from the hospital after being born in a Mach 1. My parents had one. A 72 if I remember right.
And now I own an M2 Competition! Freaky
topgear mightve been ruined now but who cares when we have quality funny and informative content like this
topgear isnt ruined tho ... there is still a chris harris there who is the car review King ... much better than those 3 old guys
@@cagriyuksel6448 yeah nah... the old top gear is superior (by a factor of about 10 billion)
@@cagriyuksel6448 sure maybe from a review and information point of view, but "those 3 old guys" were way more fun and entertaining than the current top gear hosts.... The epic challenges that they did were amazing
@@cagriyuksel6448 ah I see you are NOT man of a culture
@@cagriyuksel6448 Chris Harris is fantastic but the chemistry between Jeremy, Richard and James cannot ever be matched.
"Thank you to Michelin Canada for donating tires today"
Nice timing.
The CS is the perfect car for me. It basically takes everything I loved about my 135i - size, tossability, relative simplicity - and shoves all the things that made my M4 great into that sort of package. Incredibly rewarding to drive, and I can't help but just put miles on it.
I was planning on building up the 135i to make that my primary autocross car, but the M2 has basically superseded the 135i and M4 for everything I'd be using those cars for. As sad as that is, I don't see myself driving those any more so I'll be looking to sell both.
Woah, i was genuinely not expecting that M2CS lap time. Ive lost interest in modern current BMWs but holy hell i was legit surprised when they said the time. Good job M division, just wish the CS were more available and not marked up through the roof.
Autozone called and said they want their hood scoop back from the Civic...
Just when I was concerned that the intros had been ditched, Throttle House came through in spades. Well done. Well done.
That M2cs is an absolute masterpiece
Astonishing what the M2 CS can do. And it's was a manual!
It's blast to drive, but I do have a general complaint with the standard M shifters in that they feel a bit imprecise. I recently updated to the Carbon / Alcantara shifter from the M Performance Parts catalog (same on as I had in my M4) and the experience is even better now.
@@SILBERautomotive The trans on CS is pretty good, just rev hangs on 2 and the throw is a little long.
I’m planning on doing the clutch delay valve delete to fix the rev hang and an extended clutch bump for the throw and it should be perfect. Maybe a taller knob too since I’m a little taller and the lack of the arm rest makes arm position higher.
@@gianni_schicchi Look into the Ultimate Clutch Pedal. It does way more than just a clutch stop.
@@mikedockal8978 looks awesome. Thanks for the info, surprised I hadn’t run across this before.
Very interesting to see how the touring Type R will do on cup 2 tires. You guys should really give it a shot.
Just love that M2 CS. My “affordable” dream car at this stage I’d say.
wait for a better version of m2cs you will love it
Same here, except I foresee the CS going up in value big time. It’s going to become un-affordable very soon.
If I had the $$ for two new cars, I would buy the GT350R and keep it as a very rare occasion car, due to its skyrocketing value for low mileage ones (can I say early retirement 😀), and then buy this M2 CS and use it as my track car. I would keep my current GTI as my daily because it’s that good as a daily and fun car (will be 500whp/480wtq soon 🙂).
I have a 2020 GT Mustang but ordered the Mach 1 delivered in September if everything goes as plan. But this being said, I looked at the M2 too cause taxes included, the Mach 1 and the M2 are the same price tag in Belgium. But tbh, the Mach 1 and the V8 is so pleasant so I went for the Mach 1 🥰
@@StefBelgium should’ve bought the GT350
@@JacesOwnWorld there is no Shelby sold by Ford in Belgium. Only the regular Mustang (ecoboost and GT), Bullit and now Mach 1. And with taxes in Belgium, the price of the Mach 1 matches the price of a GT350R
I traded my Bullitt in for an M2 Competition last year. Other than the sound, the M2 is better and more fun to drive in absolutely every way.
Bullitt supports more relaxing ride. M2C fast and effective. Where I live(🇵🇱) Bullitt is more unique
Better lease that m2
Bmw are not that reliable unfortunately
jacob folkringa BMWs are actually more reliable than fords, BMW Is the 9th most reliable brand at 95.2% after 5 years and Ford is 18th most reliable with 93.7% after 5 years, although Ford has a couple models with really high scores like the C max and kuga that got near 100% overall across their whole model range BMWs are substantially more reliable.
@@Aron-ru5zk What is your source for quoting those percentages?
Dave Scott Whatcar annual reliability survey.
My roommate and I were just talking about it but y'all do reviews as good as old Top Gear. Such quality content, always love to see when a review video drops. Keep up the awesome work!!
Wow. I was not expecting such a dominant performance by the M2. That lap time ! It is the fastest "real car" lap time on your track. [My brain just automatically filters out the no-longer-made Viper ACR and the 1-seater BAC Mono.]
Incredible.
Man, cars are meant to be driven, tossed around and abused, not to be parked in a garage waiting for the value to go up.
Damn I really want that M2cs so BAD!!! Amazing video
Was literally sitting on the toilet and thought there was a camera behind me
Just like me! Went back from home, taking a dump, opened YT and saw this notification 😅
The Mustang is the route I’d go. I love the Mach 1. And Civic Type R markups are insane. On auto trader, I came across 3 Type R LEs, and all 3 were asking 87-90k.
I’ve been trying to find a Mach 1 but almost all dealers want 10 over MSRP. Not as wild as the type R but still an issue.
You’ll find one but you just gotta keep on making them calls not all dealership are greedy
@@yungactivist Most are. Even regular Type Rs are being Marked up pretty high. I found a few used ones from 2018 with like 30-40k Kilometres on them and they were literally asking MSRP for a new one. But when you go look for a new one, they are asking 55k.
@@raiden824 The car market is insane right now. Especially with the Chip shortage.
Thats alot of cash for 306 hp..I like the type r but there not worth over 53k at max.should start at 39.5...great top end and handling but that price you gotta be over 400hp for me
I went from a 2020 Shelby gt 350 to a 2014 Shelby GT 500. I found one with 6,800 miles on it. It's a monster and more fun to drive
For me this is like a comparison between a M2cs and some things.
Put the name type r in ya mouth u silly goose
Idk man the M2 is absolutely awful looking
@@LeoMkII u r completely wrong
@@RuggedCoyote69 nah, the Honda isn’t even worth mentioning in the presence of an BMW M2 CS 😂
Just shows the potential BMW usually leaves on the table with their trash alignments on most M cars. OG M2 understeers like fwd and the software cuts all boost until you straighten the wheel. So happy they clearly fixed those flaws and released its potential!
or learn to turn off the Stability control...
@@PresidentEvil doesn’t matter. Steering angle sensor stays active. I used to literally track one for a living, trust me.
This new Mach 1 replace 4 Mustang... The GT PP2, the Bullitt, the Shelby 350 and 350R. Btw on the track, it's Camaro SS 1LE killer!!!
Lol what, the mach 1 is just a shelby gt350 with a coyote engine. Or in other words, it's just a GT PP2 with the intake manifold and transmission from the GT350. It barely puts a scrape on the GT350 and the ss 1le wrecks the gt350 around a track so hard that after the ZL1 released, Ford stopped sending their mustangs to race tracks to be tested because all of a sudden track times don't matter anymore, even though every previous shelby was developed and tested for the track
What the hell! I wanted to see a drag race between the M2 and MACH 1! SOMONE GET THEM A MACH 1
They could use a 2003 Mach 1.
Literally my favorite duo on YT. You guys bring epic content!
Its crazy how you can get mustang mach 1 for the same price as civic type R LE in north america. Unfortunately im from Europe and jf i had that option, id obviously get mustang
they aren’t SUPPOSED to be the same price. the type r LE is supposed to be 40k USD but dealers are marking up to 65k USD.
@@cameronkeogh4177 haha the dealer by me is selling the yellow CTR LE for 85k
@@ROLLINGFANATICS 85k for a Civic...
@@Corvolet5 and someone bought it too. 🤣🤣 when the ctr came out in 2017 , someone paid over $90k for it
The Mach1 and m2 cs are also marked up about the same mark up amount in so cal as the CTR LE.
I'm so happy to see manual and normal aspirated cars in the top 3.
And the ACR was both !
Hey guys. I literally own the Mach1 in this video. I have the same badge # on my dash M2283. It was the press car and Straight Pipes beat on her too. But I maxed out the Ford warranty with no deductible and F%&$ LOVE IT!
That Honda is quick ... all the cars are monsters on the track... they just lay down the power .. and fun to drive ..
I'm so impressed with the mach 1s time it's like it didn't even move 😂
Yes!! GT350R track test please. Need some competition for that CS.
Currently taking a morning dump, “man, I love throttle house!”
lmaoooooooo
Nice, nice :D
TMI
Evening dump for me
Me tooo
Guys, this is Top Gear in the their prime quality! Well done, gentlemen. Thank you.
Thumbs up just for the guy on the can at the start lol you know your audience 🤣
The m2 is literally the perfect car the value on these cars will skyrocket in the next 10-15 years because it is probably going the be the greatest m car of all time
Yes they will 👍
Hella ugly tho :/
@@almightyalan8942 Face only a mother could love. And boy do I
I love the Effort put into the videos
Keep it up Guys 🙌
Well this explains why my friend in his type r LE was 2 seconds slower than my 21' type r last track day. He was on the cup 2's and I was on hankook rs4 tires. I expected it to be the other way around.
This is very unusual. My Type R from 2019 gets much better cornering speeds with the Cup 2 vs original sport Contact 6. Entry and exit are around 5 kph faster on a 100 kph corner. Tremendously improved grip at lower speeds as well, puts the power down very easily. Does the limited edition come with the RO1 specification cup 2?
Sounds like the suspension tuning is the problem, not the tires.
@@JoshuaTootell tires were listed for reference, the cup 2 is a faster tire. This is the point I was making, the overly stiff suspension is unsettling.
@@cosminmihu9963 I haven't done any track driving with the continental tires as I hear they roll over very easily.
@@johnss2k434 they do roll quite easily but my biggest issue is they started delaminating on me. The tires only had 50 miles on them and after 1 track day on a 1.4 mile course, there are threads showing on the edge of the rear tires because chunks of rubber are missing.
reviews like these are very helpful. less hype and numbers. thank you.
U.S. watcher here - I've been wanting to rep a shirt of yours since I started watching you guys years ago (hard to remember anything before 2020 but I'm guessing it was more than a year), but I just did cause this was such a fun review. Keep it up. You and savagegoose are my absolute favorites to watch.
The civic is nice, but I'd take the mustang over it any day.
Think civic is the best car u can get for its price range.
@@harrisr1018 Maybe for a brand new car, but I still wouldn't get it, it overheats on track, has gear grinding issues, and still understeers as you can see in the video.
At a similar price no question about it, but the Mustang is way more expensive. Mach 1 starts at €30.000 over the Type R here in Slovenia. That's $36k+ difference!
... the CTR LE goes for around mid-$60k USD and up around me. You'd have to be phenomenally stupid to be paying that, but then again, the Honda crowd is filled with them. Literally the most expensive of the bunch while being the slowest. You can't make up that level of stupidity.
@@CU08 yeah the m2 and the mustng both are way better. This type r doesn't even have the Honda reliability that their fanboys are always talking about.
Love this channel. Thomas and James are the next generation Top Gear. They play off each other beautifully.
I love how crazy Thomas is about the m2cs
Seeing thomas's excitement with the m2 cs, it makes me want to drive one so bad!
Damn, didn’t think I’d be called out like that for watching on the toilet. These guys are clairvoyant.
I'd love to see your take on Porsche Cayman please, and can be had for a similar price as these 3, it has more cargo space too. :)
They did review the GT4 and Boxster Spyder last year.
@Frugal Family Living ur car and ur account name do not match
@Frugal Family Living oh OK, that's understandable
Best intro yet boys.
Big respect for heel-toeing even though they have auto blip features.
I can't even process the quality of these videos. Either a major studio is behind you or you are about to get scooped up by one. This beats anything else. Unbelievable quality and production.
Not only Cup 2 has good grip.. it has very good temp management.. never had to let air out on my GT4
I have the feeling that the only reason they even included the Mach 1 in this episode was to subtly bash Ford Canada 🤔
Awesome episode, made my day! Love both cars but the M2 CS is an absolute dream car
They’re driving cars and we’re watching it.. that’s fun 😂😂
M2 look so much more better than the new 3 and 4
Agree 100%
The Type R may not be the fastest but its my favorite because of its driving experience, reliabiity and maintenance
Love this channel, still can't believe these guys aren't syndicated, and on TV, this fills the void Top Gear left in me
I traded in my 17 civic type r for the M2 CS back in February, I only have 400 miles on it and haven’t had a chance to break it in. However, the car puts a big grin on my face every time I drive it.
M2 CS all day . It's just straight ,🔥🔥🔥
That intro really hit home in a whole new way. Lol. (He comments while sitting on the can)
You guys nailed the overview of the cars dead on, totally agree, all three are a riot!
I'm literally watching this while sitting on the toilet. Just like they showed in the intro hahaha im dying
i just screamed... M2cs is my fav car right now
After the Viper ACR video I thought - how will the Canadian/British dudes top this video? Aaaaand they have almost done it. Even with the lack of hooning, which is, of course, slightly unfortunate. Greetings from Latvia and well done once again!
Without watching the video I know Thomas is gonna pick the m2....we saw him literally drool over one.....😁😁
I saw 2 of those 120 type r's in Canada at mosport last weekend. I can can confirm that 1 of the 120 has now been gutted and turned into a race car😂
Patiently waiting on a new video!!
Wednesday!
Put a cayman GT4 on this track, I’m really curious what time it could pull off
I have been searching everywhere to finalize my cross shopping of the Mach 1....and thought today was gonna be the big day! Seriously, Ford, this seeds enough info in my noggin to drop it from my list. You are touting it as the best track focused mustang. What was going going to blow up?
Currently the M2CS is one of my favourite cars of all time, I think also own of the reasons the ZL1 1LE was slower is because the tyres weren't at their optimum temperature. Those Goodyears on the camaro don't work under 15-20° and that camaro was run in October. But that all aside, what a car the M2CS, great video guys as usual
M2 CS is over a 100K in U.S. Regular Type R is by far the best option for high 30s.
I want to see what the Mustang Bullit Steve McQueen edition can do around the track tbh. It comes with more horses, more torque, a rear seat delete, a roll cage that's color matched to the body, and a whole lot more.
Let's get Thomas to buy a M2 CS! 🙌
Yeah !! I was a bit worried that he was gonna have a heart attack when he was explaining to James how good it was 🤣😂😅
My piggybank does in fact have M2 CS written on it but it's not for Thomas.
Also M2 is arguably the best-looking BMW currently in production. I'm more of a Lexus type of guy, BMWs usually do nothing for me but the M2 has just perfect proportions, i would actually want one.
Another fun review... Please don't be irresponsible like many car reviewers that make comments to say one is less or more for you when you have no intent to buy either... Great to just give unbiased view and why you would choose based on your taste without claiming a winner or lose.
🤣😂🤣 I'm literally sitting on the pooper right now watching this! 💩 Love you guys!